Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #91 Denis Bouchard | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

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Hello everyone, welcome to Open Your Game. It's a pleasure to meet you. Today, I'm going to talk about the guest. After that, I'm going to read some comments because today, he's someone I really appreciate, I've received a lot from my shows, we've also become friends in life. I'm talking about Denis Bouchard. I think he's a man who has so much to say. Denis is also a hero.

I had a surprise for my 50 years. And we invited Denis Bouchard to participate in this surprise. And he had come to make an address before. He had written an incredible text. And I said to myself, wow, it looks like this guy knows me without knowing me for a long time. And I also understood that it was someone who was observing a lot, who was able to go further than what we said. He was observing the being we were. That's why I can't wait to talk to him, I can't wait to know where he is in his life. It's still someone who asks a lot of questions, Denis. But

in the meantime, Denis, I want to read you comments, always's someone who asks himself a lot of questions. But while I'm waiting for Denis, I want to read some comments, always interesting, and I tell you, to each episode, keep writing comments, it's good for us to read them. And it's good for the guests to say, OK, I trusted myself, I went far, but it echoes. So we're part of a big community.

And I also think it's a way for people from isolation to listen to the podcast and exchange, after, we understand that we are the small community of the Marie-Club. So Chantal tells us, I want you to know that Ouvre Ton Jeu! accompanies me in all my trips and more. I had an intense, complicated and exhausting year, Je retombe sur mes pattes et je retrouvais mon courage pour continuer et aussi trouver un peu de paix. Merci pour tout ce que vous créez. Un jour je serai dans le Marie-Clobe, c'est certain. Elle parle de la communauté virtuelle. Céline nous dit, je viens de terminer l'écoute du podcast de Marc Labrèche.

Vous dire comment il m'a fait rire. Je crois que c'est mon premier. Je vous remercie. Merci beaucoup. Merci beaucoup. She talks about the virtual community. And Céline tells us, I just finished listening to the podcast by Marc Labrèche. Telling you how he made me laugh, I think it's my favorite podcast. Child with his father, very touching, funny and sad at the same time.

It's really fascinating. Thank you for sharing that. And I talked about how often he made me laugh, also Marc Labrèche, in this podcast. And I want to say that he even connected me to this happiness of having crazy laughs, this happiness of spontaneity that laughter brings. Laughter is not something we calculate, it is something we feel and express.

So thank you to Marc because his stories weren't that funny. But his way of telling it, his but his way of telling his story, also his way of making peace with his story, well, it allowed us to laugh without blaming. I want to remind you of our partners. The Marie-Club is officially a partner now of Ouvre Ton Jeu, so this virtual community that is available 7 days out of 7, 24 hours out of 24, limited access to all content, and there is days out of 7, 24 hours out of 24, limited access to all the content.

And there is a lot of content, because it's been several months since the platform has been available. So we can talk about psychology with Rosemary Charek, about finance with Jacques Nantel, among others. We are talking about parenting. Last week, we announced that Vanessa Pilon was going to take care of the parenting aspect. I think it's important to talk to everyone. And we have a reading club, we have bookshops, that's what works best. A few times a month, we connect with people live. We receive guests, we give workshops, we ask you how you are doing. We always have a presence price. So it's really a rich community. And we offer you, if you go to maricloud.com, at that time you can enter the promo code CLUB10 and you will have 10% discount on the Marie-Claude's annual subscription. Obviously, Karine Jonquo is always our main partner.

She offers 15% discount on online purchases with Ouvre Ton Jeu 15 as promo code, and Ross & Company, as you know, there is the level Ross & Company. And I always find that the guests take it seriously. At the beginning, I was a little scared with this level of saying, are there any guests who are going to push it a little, to kill it again? Are there any who could even refuse to participate in Open Your Game? And not at all. There is no discomfort with the level of Eros and Companions. And it also allows us to talk about...

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They are everywhere in Quebec, so obviously they have the sight exams and they also have the service, everything that is related to the opticians, so the choice of mounts, we can have glasses, well, you can go to Optoraiso. They are partners with us and for a long time, we are very, very happy to have them. Obviously, the team that is there to support me from week to week, Caroline Dionne at coordination, David Bourgeois at online,

Jonathan Frechette at digital creation and St. Laurent D'Ou at capture. So now, place to the great Denis Bouchard. I think I love for the first time in my life. It's important what you just said. Denis Bouchard. I think I love for the first time in my life. That's an important thing you just said. Yes, I think so. And how did you know? By the happiness it gives me. Open Your Game is presented by

Karine Jonquin, the skin care reference available in almost a thousand pharmacies in Quebec Ouvre ton jeu est présenté par Karine Jonquin, la référence en matière de soins pour la peau, disponible dans près de 1000 pharmacies au Québec et par la communauté virtuelle Marie-Clobe, disponible sur mariclot.com. Le jeu de table Ouvre ton jeu est disponible partout en magasin et sur Randolph.ca. J'ai l'impression qu'aujourd'hui, ça pourrait durer longtemps, ce podcast-là. On va le savoir parce qu'on va le vivre. I feel like today's podcast could last a long time. We'll find out because we're going to live it. He's been a man we've known for a long time in the public sphere in Quebec. He played some important roles, among others.

He's also a writer, he does staging. I think he's someone who takes a stand in the public sphere, and I love that kind of audacity. He's someone I really appreciate. Denis Bouchard, welcome. Hello, Denis. Hi, Manny. How are you? Well, some of you, and it's true that you're audacious, Denis.

You think so, yeah. Yeah, do you feel audacious like that? No, no. No, audacious, no. I wouldn't't say that. Maybe it's the perception that it gives, but... You go ahead. I think you have someone who doesn't wait. I always thought that the need to write the organ. You know, Simone Beauvoir said that you're responsible for what happens in life,

and we don't talk about earthquakes, of course, we don't do the same. So I've always, I've always trusted my instinct. So maybe it can be seen as audacity, but I've always believed in what I could do. But I find that inspiring because you wrote a play, and you're going to make the audience recognize it, so that you can present it.

You play in it, the last play, what was it called? The Last Sacrament. The Last Sacrament, which I saw a few times, which was extraordinary. But from the start, I remember when you told me, sacrement que j'ai vu à quelques reprises qui étaient extraordinaires, mais dès le départ, je me souviens quand tu me parlais de... c'était comme une épopée pour convaincre aussi les salles de diffusion d'embarquer dans ce spectacle-là. Ben, personne ne voulait faire ça, tu sais. Un acteur vieillissant qui fait une comédie sur la mort et sur la religion, c'est pas très sexy pour les théâtres, fait que personne ne voulait faire ça. religion, it's not very sexy for the theater, so nobody wanted to do that.

So I decided to do it on the other side, and to go see the people of the CHUM to ask them if they would board with me, because since it's a palliative care room, they have hospital rooms, reproductions. And CHUM boarded, and they said, yes, we finish at 5 o'clock, if you want to take the premises. So I had free rooms and we did it 10 nights with 60 people per night. Almost like in theater, reality. It was a performance. People would go into a hospital room and there was a guy who was there and he was guy there who was talking for an hour and a half with his nurse. And we sold that for 200 bucks a ticket, all profits went to the Wushum, and it worked so well that after that, the theater became interested in my piece.

We did it for almost three years, It was translated into French, into English. We won the Boursery d'Eau. There you go. And you, you believed from the start in this piece, in this theme. Yes, but you know, I'm older now, so I was stuck at the door. But when I was younger, I didn't get stuck at the door. I created the doors, you know, the deprime. Nobody wanted to do that at the start, in the 80s, when I wrote it with Rémi and Julie Vincent.

We did it on behalf of the authors. We went to vote for hair-stitches at Pascal, the ancestor of Rona, to make spots because we didn't have any spots. We searched in our costumes to make a piece. Finally, Brassard and Jean-Claude L'Esperance said, OK, we'll embark with you. It has always been that. Brasseurs, Jean-Claude L'Espérance, who said, OK, we're boarding with you. It's always been that, you know. It's not... You know, that's what I...

Maybe it's not the right word, but that's what I call audacity, in the sense that we didn't believe it at first, and then I said, wait, I feel something, and I want to go forward, and I'm going to do it my way, and finally we're boarding. You know, you push people to reflect. Well, you know, I think that... Because she was well received, this piece.

You know, it's a bad calculation from the start. We played it a hundred times, which is huge, huge. And she continues to make little ones, she walks around. There are people in different countries, as it was translated into English, there are people in countries that are in contact with me and who would like to do it. So, we look at it. I won't play it anymore, I'm done. But we'll eventually look at what we're going to do with that.

But what an actor you are. I saw him a few times, once it was in Boucherville. It was almost in a community center, it was a big hall. We were doing that for the Blue Source house. Exactly, the palliative care home. And there was a power outage during the show. So it got all dark. And as I saw it, I said to myself, this is not in the play, but most people thought it was in the play,

because here we saw you in a hospital bed and all that. And finally you took your cell phone, you lit yourself up with the light of the cell phone and you continued the play. And finally the electricity came back, and I said to myself, I'm sure there are people who think it was part of the staging, but the natural, the ease, it was quite an incredible moment. I forgot that. It's true, it's a beautiful moment. That's real theater. It's real, real theater. You know, you have to find what you're doing. You stop, you cut the magic, you say, well, we're waiting for the lighting to come back and we'll resume, ladies and gentlemen.

You can't do that, you know? It's real time, so... And it brought something so intimately, to see just the light, illuminated by the light of your cell phone. And when the light came back, you continued as if nothing had happened. That's incredible experience. Without a doubt, yes. Are you ready to open your game?

Yes. I can't wait to hear from you on a whole lot of subjects. So, the green cards, Denis, are more general cards. The yellow cards become more personal, they're less generic than the others. The pink cards are personal, very personal even. And Ross, I think you'll be very comfortable with that, sexuality and sensuality. Because we talked about it a lot in the shows I did. You invited me a lot.

It was a period in my life where I talked a lot about Eros. Maybe I have less to say today. You might want to talk about the past, we don't know. So, Eros and company. There is the Optorizo card, which is always a nice card, I think, to end this meeting. And you have your joker. So if you think there are any questions,

it's going too far or you don't want to answer that, you put the joker and I automatically change questions. What is Optoraiso? Optoraiso is a chain of opticians who have affiliated with each other and who have done Optoreso. So, obviously, it's optometrist, optician. So can you win a pair of glasses with that?

You'd like that. We could make some aflés, see. There are some everywhere in Quebec. So you have sight exams and you can also have mounts and stuff. OK. Yes, indeed. So, because it's been a long time since you. OK. Yes, indeed. So, because it's been a long time since you wore glasses. Yes, I have always.

Yes, yes, yes. I was six years old, I think, five, six years old. Yes, and it looks like your glasses are part of your characters. Well, yes. I invented characters who needed glasses. It would be a problem. I didn't play baseball, so he had a problem. Oh yeah, I understand.

So I give you the green cards, you're going to brush them on the table, you choose five, I'm going to read them to you. And you're going to choose which one you want to answer. I choose five. Yeah, exactly. One, two, three, four, five. Five. Thank you. That's not good.

No, it's not good. I'll read them to you. You'll answer, you'll choose one. After that, I'll choose one. What are you afraid of? What character traits did you have to work on to be good with yourself? How do you react to authority? Sur quel trait de caractère as-tu dû travailler? Pour être bien avec moi-même, je dois. Comment réagis-tu à l'autorité?

Et quel est le legel le plus significatif de ta mère? Quel est le legel le plus significatif de ta mère? OK. J'en choisis combien? Une. Une. De quoi as-tu peur? Sur quel trait de caractère as-tu dû travailler?

Pour être bien avec moi-même, je dois. Comment réagis-tu à l'autorité? Et quel est le legel le plus significatif de ta mère? What are you afraid of? What character traits do you have to work with to be good with yourself? How do you react to authority? And what is the most significant of your actions? I'm going to take that here. What character traits do you have to work with? Yes, yes, yes. Yes. In fact, there are several, but I would say that what I worked the most on is breathing through the nose. Because I'm someone impulsive, I'm someone who fascist at that level. Things have to be done as I want them to be done.

It's very useful when you're in authority, when you're on stage, for example, or whatever. Because things have to move forward, and you have to... But it's harder with myself. So I was like too intractable with myself. I had to let myself go, I would say. But how did that manifest? I was always very angry with myself. I learned to accept myself as I am. I didn't always accept making mistakes. Let's see, Patine, how did you do that?

You know, we were tweeting and blah blah blah. That was your inner language? Yes, yes. That's the polite version. But I was very, very hard on myself. I've always been very hard on myself. Much less, much less. Where do you think it starts? It starts from very far away.

It starts from a relationship with the sea, where the expectations are too high and they are impossible to satisfy. déficient avec la mère en partant, où est-ce que les attentes sont trop grandes et elles sont impossibles à satisfaire, et ce faisant, bien tu t'infliges la même chose à toi-même. À part de manque de considération de soi-même, ça part d'un manque d'estime de soi qui n'était pas transmis au départ, puis que t'as de la difficulté à développer. Mais avec 30-35 ans de psychanaly, you end up putting the order in there, and it doesn't end up happening. But you know, when you lack the skills of yourself,

and you direct other people, you give them guidance. It's like an inner fight, that. It's also about camouflaging what you feel inside. Yes, but often, and it's not just in my job, it's true in general, often you manage to put on makeup in search of love. It's paradoxical. You can easily, if you're too demanding towards yourself, you'll try to temporize that. You'll try to hide that as much as possible in a love search towards the other, etc.

It's very easy to camouflage. And what makes you say one day, I need help outside? Yes. But was it like an event? Was it difficult to camouflage that all the time? Yes, it's that you never get there completely. That the anger overflows.

Yes, you can't get there. You can't escape yourself all the time. You're still stuck living your life. It's important what you say, Denis. You can't escape yourself all the time. Because we live with ourselves. It's a mechanism to to run away and put it behind. Yes, and to go and look for in the love of others a love that you don't have for yourself.

Do you understand? In general, it makes good actors. Do you think there's a lot of that in your professional choice? I don't think I really chose to do that job. I never stopped, except maybe once after watching a film called The Great Ordinary Circle of Film, which was a capture of Jean-Marc Thépotony. When I saw that film, it changed my life because I was trying to write pieces of theater when I was in the Cégep. Because it was a way of meeting people, it was a way of pleasure. I knew I had a certain talent, if you will, to write, arrange, create things. I had a contagious enthusiasm.

So I did that when I was in the St. James. I wrote shows, I uploaded them, I played in them, etc. And I did that all my life. And when I saw that show, that film, it changed my life. I said, boy, that's what I want. They do much better than me, what I'm trying to do. I left home and I had rewritten the whole play. It was a play for 62 actors, people, you see,

in which I play the main role. So, well, nothing less. And it was quite... It was audacious, we can say. But it was the first time there were girls in my class in the Cégep. I wanted to have all the girls in my theater room. You have the choice, whether you play hockey or whether you do theater. I decided to do theater.

A girl who laughs half in your bed. It was like, we're going to do jokes and they're going to end up doing this and that. So, in short, that's to say that I wanted to come back to you. Yes, that's it. I never really decided, except maybe at that time, to do this job. It's friends of mine who told me at the University of Montreal, because I was at the University of Montreal for two years and a few in Pisco. Why? Because my friends were in Pisco and I didn't know what to do in life. And when you don't know what to do, well, in general, you're going to high school or in high school.

So I said to the guys, you know you're going to high school. Well, I said, OK, perfect, I'll follow you. And at university, I continued to do the same things. I wrote sketch reviews and I played in them. I showed them to people, etc. And there's one, one day, who said to me, are you sure you're going to be a psychologist? Well, I said, I don't know.

At the time, I was here and I wrote sketches. And I said, because he says there are schools of theater. And that's how it happened. And he came in with pamphlets, and I introduced myself to those schools. And they took me. So I was all psychotic and I went to the theater. So it didn't happen...

It wasn't clear at the time. Yes, contrary to Guylaine, who at the age of two said, I'm exaggerating, but five years I want to be an actress. I wasn't like that. But quite quickly I realized that I had a good presence on stage. I was able to captivate an audience. I was able to embark someone into my story. And that can bury a lot of self-esteem.

The other person's gaze at you. Yes, yes. You keep the other person to yourself. Yes, yes. You know, you... You... The love of others comes to compensate. Love, we hear it in general. As I said, they are going to sing.

I like the public, but not individually. I don't want to know anything about the individuality of the world. I love you as a public. Yes, because otherwise it would be huge. It's endless. But... So, you can definitely Because otherwise it would be huge. It would never end. So you can definitely bury a lot of things for a long time. Was playing a character like taking a break from everything you felt inside?

Yes. Adrenaline is the most effective drug in the world. When I worked with Ginette Renaud, she always told me, « Stage is better than sex. » And it's true. The stage is better than sex. Oh yes, because you forget everything. I remember, it was two of us playing with Guylaine, but we had a lot of love at that time.

Guylaine was still trembling at the time. Yes, Guylaine and we did so many things together. She just got left by her husband, I just left my blonde. It hurts to be in love. And we both... It hurts. We don't get along. And then we arrived in a town, I don't know, in Chambly. We arrived in Chambly and it was a play with an anthrax. It played two. It was a play with several characters, but played by two actors.

So we played that and we got there. I don't know what he did to me. He called me and she called me and we were fighting. I wasn't able to put on makeup, but she had trouble putting on makeup. Anyway, we were we went on stage. And then, who eats shit? Yes, directly, who eats shit? We went on stage, bam! For 45 minutes, you'd make people laugh. Time doesn't exist anymore, there's nothing left, you're not hurt anymore.

You know, I've already made pieces without you, high-frequency friends, neimets, Neimets, trans-level elite friends, Neymet, Neymet, Trans-Anseigne, the adrenaline is buried in you. There's nothing left. When you arrive in Entraque, that's why we have so many Entraques here. Because it brings you down, it's energy.

Well, you arrive in Entraque, you get my applause, you go in there, I'm disgusted, as I told you earlier, the man, I ask if he remembers me, blah, blah, blah, and we go back to Broglie, and it's here, and it's there, and then, bang, and then, it's the other part. I said, I'm going to play with Guylaine. We're going to play this summer. I know that I'm not as loose as I was. I don't have the energy and strength I had. But I can hear Tonic singing.

I can hear him. I can hear him. I can hear him. I can hear him. I can hear him. I can hear the music and all that, it's going to be hard, I have to start training and all that, but I know that when I'm going to be on stage, you're all pumped up, you're all over the place, and bam! That's what you miss when you don't play, to feel that.

Well, when you don't play, you just don't have any buffer. You don't have any space to lighten up. Yes, that said, as you age, you deprive yourself of those pains. So you learn, she doesn't leave, but you learn to be with her. Yes, yes. Today, it's amazing. I don't need the spectator's look to be happy. I will take advantage of it if it happens, but I don't need it anymore. It was a long, long, long job. I did it for 50 years, that job.

And today I realize that I don't need to be desired to be happy. You need to be appreciated in the eyes of the other. Yes, in every senses of the word. If they don't call me because they don't call me anymore, I can live with that. I can live with that. Before, you had to define yourself in relation to the number of calls you receive. You understand? Oh, I'm so into the game. What are you doing? I'm into the game.

I have four phases here and there. I'm going to do a staging for the Garou in Paulingue, and I come back here and there, and that's it. And I had, that, it came to make up everything in an extraordinary way. You know, when I arrived in the artistic environment, it struck me to hear, you know, let's say we had the guests who came around the set, they met in the make-up room, and we asked, why met in the makeup room. But why do you work? It wasn't how you go about it. No.

Why do you work? Everything is defined by work. For good reason. It's a life of a pigist. Yes, but it's just that if in that moment, you have less work, it still creates discomfort. Well, yes. On the contrary, it's rewarding.

Yes. So there was... But if you say, what are you doing, nothing, I mean, it's not a problem. It's the opposite, it's rewarding. Yes. But if you say, you know, what are you doing? Nothing. You know, they're going to talk to other people. It's less interesting. That's it, you're a great guy. You don't have...

You don't have... It's like you had nothing to say, you know? Well, but that, that, as you age, you can't do that job all your life, you know? And I think it was Yvon who told me that, Yvon Deschamps who told me, you have to leave that job before you're left with it. You know, you have to start letting go of things. And since COVID, for me, it's been an extraordinary lesson in life, you know,

because it's the first time in my life that I couldn't work. You know, well, I still wrote two pieces of layout during that time that I probably would never have played. I don't think it's very good, but it made me feel good, you know. But I realized that there was a life outside of my job. At that moment? Yes, yes. And I learned all that from my job, I learned all that from my business.

I don't understand how I worked 60 hours a week for 40, 50 years, and maintained everything I maintained. To have managed to maintain friendships. In Namur, it was less spectacular, but in any case, to maintain friendships, to maintain two houses, a house in Canva. How did I do to do all of that? Whereas today, I only take care of that, I don't have two houses anymore, but I just take care of the ordinary.

And I spent a day doing everything. I didn't have a house, but I just took care of the computer. Then I thought about a day to do everything. I said to myself, but how did I do before? I had to delegate, you know, it had to be that. I had to delegate. Or you didn't live it fully. Or I didn't live it fully. It was on a list and there were things to do.

My Tudu was like... You probably felt it less. Probably, probably. And how, when you're, you know, when we realize that we are happy to have the audience, but that we no longer need the public's attention to be good, does that bring you a sense of freedom? What does it change when you realize that you are good with yourself? Well, I, there's not a day when I don't tell myself or say that life is beautiful.

Was it like that before? Never. Never. I didn't have time to ask myself that question. I didn't have time to just live. Now I live, I do cleaning. I do cleaning. Cleaning in the sense that I have thousands of books, thousands of things. I'm a sweeper. I've been cleaning up for 50 years now, and now I throw things away. Brassas, who was one of my mentors on his deathbed, told me, don't forget your children to clean up your life.

And I said, you're right. You're right, I'm going to start doing it. What do I want to leave? What do I not want? What's not important? What do we accumulate? And inevitably, I'm going to get up in a little two and a half, and I'm going to have the house in a big atelier. So you have to be clean. Does it make you clean well? And at the same time, you're. So you have to be pure. Does it make you feel good, purified?

And at the same time, you go back to your life by doing that? It's incredible. It's incredible. It's incredible how happy it is to listen to old records again and throw them away. And to say, hey, it's a bad status. Genesis is so bad. And then you listen to that and the record is all scratched and, and you say, oh no, I don't know. You kept it anyway, and it jumped high. Well, I haven't listened to it for 30 years, so you know, I'm... Well, etc.

But you see your life at the same time. You see the times, because you've already liked that music. So you've already been the guy who liked that, so you also see that you take a step forward in front of that. Yeah. And since my son is fed up with classical music, I've been listening to things I've had for a very long time. When dad died, I was the one who took everything away.

Dad spent the last 20 years of his life listening to opera and classical music. All those boxes, all that, I took it all away from home in the cellar. But I never put put gold in there. And since Léo is a fan of classical music, I'm putting gold in there. And that's the rack, the rack maninoff, the rack maninoff concertos, one, two, three, four. Or one, two, three, I don't remember if it's three or four.

Anyway, three is less good. Okay, why? Wait, I have something in my cell. I'm going to dig in my cell. Find that. Spend some time on it. Spend some time. Wait, yes, look at that. And then I was talking to Nadon and he was talking about the reading he was doing.

And I said, hey, I have that. I'm going to dig in my cell. So you love that life. Yeah, a lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. And you know, it's crazy, but, you know, what is my life expectancy? Seven, eight years? Something like that. I don't get sad about it. You know, I had a very, very good life.

When you make life expectancy according to the average? Yes, that's it. You know, and I don't see... You know, do they think about it often? No, I don't think about it often, but it forces me to make choices. I have to think about whether I want to live this or not. What do I want to live? I love the Orient, so I'll try to go back to the Orient as often as possible.

So, if I want to do that, if I want to go back to Southeast Asia as often as possible, I have to make choices. I have to make choices. I have to sell the house for that. So I'm all in the process of... What do I do with the time I have left? And I never asked myself that question, because time is infinite.

It makes it precious. Hey, precious, you say? So I don't have time after 10 minutes if your film is all crumpled. I don't have time to listen to that. The maximum of films you can listen to in your life or television shows, you know? I don't have time to listen to that. I do that with books. It's my friend Marcia who told me, like, I have to finish it.

It's long, but she said, but Marcia said to me, why do you finish it? It's way too short. I was right, why do I do this? Once I started it, I feel like, now I'm putting it on the table, if it wasn't for me. You have 20 pages to convince me. Yes, and after that, you have heartbeats,

which is the opposite, you wouldn't want it to end. Reading, because I spent way too much time reading, you know, at that time, you take away from the rest. I spent too much time reading the rest. Life is too short to read everything. But at least what you want to read. It's my first podcast in my life. I've never done that. Welcome to the universe of podcasts.

Thank you. I didn't have time to do that. Take your time. I have to come back in two hours. Two hours to return, you understand? No, it's a lot, a lot, a lot of time. But you know, the podcast, for the people who listen to it, because there are really faithful to this podcast, and it's increasing, and we're a lot in the Francophonie if we realize that we have borders from Quebec.

It's good with the podcast because there are no more borders, no more limits. We can listen to it whenever we want, because all the with the podcast because there are no more borders, no more limits. We can listen to it whenever we want because all podcasts are there. There is no more time and we don't know how long it will last each of the podcasts. And people will often listen to it while walking. Sometimes they will say, this week it will be a walking popper. But what I mean is that when people comment, it's always on the content and never about the form. It's never going to be, you still put the same shirt on, on TV, we'll have that often. And on TV, you have the impression that you have to listen to it now because there will already be new ones and that will disappear.

It's not ephemeral, a podcast, it lasts over time. And the format we have here, you know, what you've been saying since the beginning, I know there will already be comments, it made me feel good when he said that, because you say things out loud that sometimes we don't dare to say it, we keep it in. So this space, this time we spend together, allows us to really go deeper. And that, it changes the life of the world. And I tell you, we have testimonies.

Even the other time, she will recognize it. I was hosting an event, and there was a pastry chef who made an incredible cake for the event. And she said, next week, you're hosting another event. And they will also ask you to make a cake. I said, my God, it's rare, it happens. And she told me, thank you,

because thanks to your podcast, I stopped my therapy. Maybe psychologists didn't hear that, but you went on therapy for a long time. Because every week when I listen to a guest, I learn a lesson in life. And you know, when you have testimonies like that, I mean, it all gives a meaning to that effort you just said. Because it's... and we'll send them to you if you want the said. Because it's... We'll send them to you if you want the comments, but it's every... Yes, yes, with pleasure.

It's really interesting to read the comments. Because you know, a podcast is intimate. We don't listen to it in the family around the TV. You know, the TV is not open. You know Nathan, often the TV is open, there is something that will play. But that's often people's going to play, but that's often the case. People will listen to it with headphones or alone in front of their iPad or computer. So the level of listening is very high and that's the sound that's important in a podcast.

No matter if there's the image, the image is like a plus, but the base is this dialogue, this intimacy. You mean people don't watch a podcast, they listen. That's right, because even if we put it, it can reassure to have the image, but it's listening. I understand. That's really it. You see, there was a lady, she said, she said, I listen to you all the time on my iPad, I don't know why, because I was listening to you on TV, I stayed still in front of my iPad, as if I was listening to you on TV, I was still in front of my iPad as if I was listening to you on TV.

Then I understood, well, I can move with my iPad, I can do other things while I'm listening to you, it's the sound that's important. So it's nice to hear that too, that people will think about them, they will do an exercise, something for them while they're listening to you right now. So that's why I find that... You see, I should do that.

I should start... Because I've always listened to it when I was in the car. But now, since I'm doing... I have to re-mix that, that arcturus. I have to re-do that. You could listen to podcasts. Yes, yes, yes. Because I started doing stretching again.

I started doing the muscle a little bit. And I was thinking, it's a lot of starting to do a little bit of muscle and all that. And I thought, it's a lot of time to do that, what am I going to do? But then it was a good idea. Podcasts, you can learn so many things in all fields. It's really... My son is a lot on that. My son has pointy podcasts. Yes, but that's what's beautiful.

And the fact that there's no time lag, you never feel like stress or... I'm not pushing you. Sometimes, it's a decimation, but this was a long one because I walked a lot. I find it beautiful. So if there's a community to open your game, it's really become a trademark,

but thanks to you, thanks to the guests who accept to open. So the question I choose is what is the most significant leg of your mother? Because you talked about it briefly earlier, about your mother. It's a complex question because I had a very difficult relationship with my mother. She's still alive, she's 96 years old today, but she's really not there anymore. She's less and less there. The diskette is gone. But the cognitive blank in old age... Yes, that's it.

It's a case of dementia more than anything else. And there are things that we will never be able to fix, but I had a very, very troubled relationship. It's the most complex relationship, and also probably the most decisive in my life. There are a lot of things that are related to my mother. So, the leg is double. beaucoup de choses qui sont liées à ma mère. Alors, le leg est double. Tu sais, il y a tout un côté très noir qui est le côté narcissique de cette femme-là

dont j'ai énormément souffert, etc., il a fallu que je m'affranchisse de ça, parce que ça a été très, très long parce que la relation que t'as avec ta mère, c'est une relation qui se répercute aussi dans le choix des femmes de ta vie pendant longtemps. It was a very long time because the relationship you have with your mother is a relationship that also affects the choice of women in your life for a long time. And you have to make the mourning of that too, and then start putting some order in it. But it's very hard. There's an archaeological work to do. So there's this leg that she left me, but in parallel to that, it's a woman who tried to do with what she had too. It's a woman of her time, it's a woman from the 40s, 50s, where she didn't really want to have a child,

she got married and nine months later I arrived. And she did her duty, so it's a duty that certainly tainted the relationship with her child. She had a hateful love in her. I had to understand that and see that my mother never discouraged me from doing what I was doing. She always discouraged me from being with the women I was with. There's never one who will love you like your mother. You understand? That's it to love you like a mother. You know, it's that, a Jewish mother side. But she never discouraged me.

I don't come from a cultural background. I come from a very, very small middle class background, from a little bit everywhere, because we moved all the time. But when I dropped everything, the Pisco, when I was one of the first in the family to go to college, Quand j'ai tout lâché la pisco, alors que j'étais un des premiers de la famille à se rendre à l'université, papa il était fier de ça. Ça a pris 10-12 générations pour nous amener à l'université, on va avoir des psychologues dans la famille. Alors quand j'ai tout lâché ça, papa il m'a l'entêtant, comment tu dis que papa ne comprenait pas ça? Ma mère elle comprenait. I understood. He'll do whatever he wants. So, paradoxically, she encouraged me.

She never abandoned that. Very quickly, she lived a career through me, which became quite unbearable with the years. Hello, I'm Danny Bouchard's mother. I'd like to have two tickets to your play tonight. insupportable avec les années, où est-ce que bonjour je suis la mère de Denis Bouchard, je voudrais avoir deux billets à votre pièce ce soir, là, t'sais. Je l'empêchais d'aller dans les théâtres, t'sais. André Lachapelle me disait, ta mère est venue, elle est venue nous voir en coulisses hier. J'avais des histoires, ah oui, ouais. Elle m'a dit que j'avais l'air plus jeune sur scène qu'à la télévision. C'est gentil. Je vais l'appeler demain,

t'sais. À tabarnak. T'sais, je vais s'amuser encore. T'sais, ça va pas c'est gentil, je vais l'appeler demain.» A tabarnak. «Je vais t'amener au con.» Ça m'a fait de bon sens. C'est ce que tu dis à ton monde. T'es dans ton univers, t'es en train, et là ta mère, t'avais l'impression que ça se pouvait pas. Des trophées, j'ai gagné pour elle. Je gagnais un trophée, puis elle prenait une photo de moi

dans la TV avec le trophée, et elle faisait encadrer ça. C'était supportable. Mais bref great. Anyway, today I laugh about it. But at the time... He felt like the little guy a little bit. The little guy came back, took the top. Listen, well, the guy tries to get out of it. I don't know about that.

It wasn't 100 hours, you know? You understand? There was a lot of drink that went went through my eyebrows when I fell asleep. But well, you end up going through life, it's the strongest, the strongest of all. But, that said, determination, that comes a lot, a lot, a lot from my mother. So it's paradoxical. In other words, it's like unconsciously giving you the vaccine for the disease she transmits. Or cancer, because she doesn't transmit the disease, she inoculates you.

The cancer she gives you, she also gives you a vaccine. That's pretty fascinating. But are you happy to live long enough to understand your mother more? To have this step back because we don't have it at 15, this step back. No, well no. That's why you have to have patience. You have to be honest with yourself. And that's long. Especially when I'm an actor, and I'm not saying it's the case for all actors,

but I've always distorted everything. The stories. Don't ask me to tell you, and it happened, it happened, it happened, it happened, with precision. Everything is modified, everything is amplified. Reality... It pisses me off. I have no interest in reality. I like fiction a lot more.

So when you tell me what happened on that occasion, the 20th time I tell you what happened to me... It's not the same story anymore. But you believe in telling a story, for example. Well, yes, because I was an actor, I believed in the story. I said, what happened on that occasion? The 20th time I tell you what happened to me. It's not the same story anymore. Oh, well, not anymore. But you believe in your story, for example. Well, yes, because I was an actor, so I'm going to sell you my salad.

But the salad is much better the 20th time than the first time. You know? Did you have the opportunity to have that discussion with your mother? No. No. And then I couldn't have it. But is that a regret, not having had that discussion with your mother? No, it's not a regret.

I had... I went to the point where I had to go back. The rest, I'll settle it by myself. You know, I realized, I was talking about this, I don going to settle the rest by myself. I realized, I was talking about this, I don't know with who the other day, I think it was with Nathan that I was talking about this, and I said, it's funny because my relationship with my father is much better since he died. Dad died 22 years ago, but by searching and looking at things and writings, because I've always written a lot. My relationship with my father was relatively...

My father didn't talk about it. He was a firm man on his own. But when I talk about my father today, he's a hero. All of this was modulated over the years. And it's a small stone that has become a scab. It rubbed off. And I'm much better now. I talk a lot more with my father sinceudge. It rubbed and I'm much older now.

I talk a lot more with my father since he died, than I talked with him. I remember, I had been in a relationship for a long time with a woman, and I called home because I had just separated, and I'm not feeling well. I called home and my father answered, and I said, yes, how are you, my boy? I say, Dad, I'm not doing very well.

I just broke up, and he says that. And then he goes, oh, oh, and you know, and I, what I'm waiting for, I don't move, I get there. And he comes in with a bottle of tequila, and we're going to settle down, and we're going to talk all night. You know, about the tenors and the leaders of a relationship with a woman, when you leave, not all, you know, in general, it's not all, all your fault, even if it's you who leaves, there are always, you know, that's what I aspire, you know, something like that,

and he does, oh, wait a minute, I'll going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris.

And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. And she said, I'm going to go to Paris. I mean, you don't know, you don't exist, you don't have autonomy. It's like if you accepted to show yourself vulnerable at that moment. In any case, you would need the fathers. Yes, but that's showing up, it's true. Yes, but there's no... So, that said, the father I'm talking to 22 years later...

He listens to you. Not only does he listen to me, but we have fun in Maudit. You know, me and Fou, I find old things of dad in the cellar. And I look at that because when dad died, everything that was there, that's all come to us. When my mother broke down the house, everything that was there, that's all come to us. When my parents broke down the house, you and them, all my things, the things of my grandparents, my grandparents' things, my grandparents' things. The cave here is a museum of all the royal family and the Bouchard family

of the last hundred and a few years. And now I'm doing a damn job in there. And you're playing with your father in fact. Well, I'm playing with everyone. And my son doesn't want me to throw anything. I said, well, no, you have to throw it, Leo. No, no, no, no, we're all watching, we're all watching. No, no, no, you have to throw it, Léo. No, no, no, no, we look at everything, we look at everything. No, look at the TV.

So it brings me... Yes, but what is that? Well, that's not fair. He had that. What is that photo? Well, he had it. And... And...

Have you ever read 100 years of solitude? No, I haven't read that. You should read it, I think, if you want to talk about it. Well, maybe it's well, well old, but they just made a series with it. I don't remember where, on Netflix, what, it's absolutely remarkable. What's beautiful about 100 Years of Solitude is that it takes place on 100 years. Let's say the grandparents die, the children are born, and then the story is distorted. I read that a long time ago, and it's the 25th time I'm telling it, so maybe...

We're in Zaya. I'm better than the novel. Marquise owes me money. But in any case, he dies, but he stays there. All generations stay. They all have the same name, they're all called Jean-Paul. So there's traffic at some point. But no, but there they make grandparents, well, what is he doing there? Are you going to sell the land? There he speaks with the father who says, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what he wants.

He's not doing any more bleding. How is he not doing bleding? But the children who live, they don't hear them, but there's a concert, a bit like in... the girls in the house next door, in the big woman next door, you know? You know, it's like a con... They're playing the time, well, that's a bit...

So, it's a reminder. Generations are reminders. I'm going to read this because we, between Mario and me, we bought the house of Mario's parents in Kakuna. Mario was the sixth generation of Dumont living in that house. It was only Dumont.

She was 170 years old. It's a long time. Damn, that's a lot. And when we took it off, for example, there was prefinite on the wall, we took it off, and underneath there were small boards, and we even saw the cross of temperance, which was like... It's like if the paint had shifted below. In any case, we saw history. We took off a floor, and there were pages of a newspaper where they talking about the end of the war, of 1944,

1940. I mean, we were in... We lived through a lot of things, we realized it. And, you know, at one point, he was isolated from the horse's head. Listen, did we have periods of... But at the same time, sometimes, when we made changes, I would say, I don't know what he would think or why they did that, why it was like that. You know, when you live in a house that has had so many people,

we had a small living room, and it looked more like a nursery than anything else, but that was the mortuary living room of the house for years. Exactly, and I hoped there was presence, unfortunately, in my case, I didn't feel it, but everyone was there, you weren't scared, I said no. On the contrary, I would have liked that, precisely, Nos Étés, which was a series that was made, including Sophie Préjean, is that we saw the, on the contrary, I would have liked that. Our summer, which was a series that was made, there was among other things Sophie Préjean, it's that we saw the dead with the living.

Sometimes in this house, I thought about that, I said to myself, if he has a mind, he must be saying, but what is he doing there? He does not respect our way of life. Yes, that's where it can become excessively interesting, it's when there is a dialectic. Yes, but I'm going to read it, because I find it fascinating what you just said. But it may have aged, as I told you. That's where it can become excessively interesting, when there's a dialectic. I'll read it, I find it fascinating what you just said.

It may have aged, as I told you. Otherwise, I'll tell you. It's going to be the real good version. Yellow level, Denis, you're going to take them, and this time you give me four. I give you four. What's up Spotify, this is Javi. I remember this one time we were on tour. We didn't have any guitar picks and we didn't have time to go to the store, so we placed an order on Prime and it got there the next day ready for the show.

Whatever you're into, it's on Prime. How's your podcast experience going? Well, yes, well, yes. One, two, three, four. So, this one is done. Which type of lover are you? 1, 2, 3, 4. So, this one is done. What type of lover are you? What is the biggest challenge you have overcome?

Are you the father you would have wanted to have? Is it easy for you to ask for forgiveness? Pardon. Hum. Je vais prendre le père ici. Est-tu le père que tu as eu à avoir? I think that I am more and more a good father, I think. I'm proud of what I did, with what I had. I didn't have much in my game. I had to build it on all sides, I had to impose it. I was a father on the stage, I was a father at 50, and that's not for nothing, there's something I didn't want to be, in a way.

And I'm proud to have decided to be a father. To say, OK, if you want to know your son, and if you want to establish a relationship with your son, you will stop working a week in Poland and a week in Quebec. You will stop. Because when Léo appeared, I had big breaks. Yes, it worked hard in Europe. I went up to shows that worked, whether it was Frousseau or Kavanaugh,

I had a lot of opportunities. I could go to the other side. And at the same time, Annie and her men came and brought me back here. And I didn't want to do it because I didn't feel like it. And finally, Guylaine insisted, but she told me mais on m'a dit, t'es mieux de le faire. Puis... Tu l'as fait. Oui.

Je l'ai fait puis j'ai jamais regretté. Mais ça m'a pris un certain temps pour commencer à mettre de l'ordre là-dedans, puis de dire, OK, je vais... j'avais pas la garde de partager au début, puis il a fallu que je mette de l'ordre dans tout ça parce que tu peux pas... c'est des gros beurres, des gros bowing à atterrir, ça. I had to put order in all of this because you can't... It's big boings to land on, to say we stop business on the other side, how do we do this, in order, in which case... And quietly, not quickly, I...

I imposed myself as a father of this child. There was all sorts of conflicts with him, all kinds of conflicts with his mother, and that's it. And today, I'm harvesting the fruits of this presence and this insistence. We have a huge pleasure, Leo and me. And, you know, having a child is accepting that if everything goes normally, you will leave before the child. Normally. The opposite is unbearable. The proof is that there are not even words in the French language to describe a parent who loses a child. If you... A child who loses a parent becomes orphan, but what is the equivalent in the other? It doesn't exist.

It's not supposed to. French is still a pretty precise language. It's not supposed to happen. So, from the moment you understand that well, you understand the amazing, the You understand how surprising and overwhelming that is. The time I have with my son is unlimited in Batim. There won't be much time. I probably will never know his children if he tries to have them. So, what is it? Do I run away because it's unbearable to live?

Or do I take advantage of it and I hate it. And all of this becomes a privilege. And that's what I decided to do. It was a long journey, but today we are able to talk and when we don't agree, we are able to smile and say, we won't go far. It doesn't matter to confront my way of life to his way of life in some ways. on ira pas loin là. Ça donne rien de confronter mon mode de vie à son mode de vie à certains égards. On ira pas là. On va parler d'autres choses. Il a pas de temps à perdre à l'obstination comme ça. Non, non. Et de toute façon, cette planète-là, elle appartient bien plus que moi. Tu sais,

c'est Florent Volland who told me that we don't take... How did he say that? That sentence was beautiful. You don't give your land in inheritance to your children. You take their land. To live. It's the opposite. I don't know if you did that sentence, but...

I understand that... But you know, it's the opposite. So there are things that we will never agree on, on moral and political distribution, political issues that are important to me, that are absolutely not important to him. And I have dedicated my life to these issues. He has other issues that are more important than these. On the other hand, we are both a father and a son, so we can talk about different things.

So, they get along on a certain level. So, it's funny because recently he called me to tell me that he was coming to Paris and I wasn't feeling well. And then I said't doing well. And then I said, come home, we're going to open a bottle of Vodka, we're going to have some milk. And you know, life is not made like that, life, there are things that, it's not circles, it's spirals. So there are things that, it will always come back. But are you a repairer? To have done what you would have liked to do when it happened?

It is certainly for me, for him it changes. Compared to you, yes. Yes, well yes. I mean, I can change things, I can do things differently. Change things, change the world, that's changing. If you want to change the world, change yourself. Exactly. Otherwise you won't change anything.

You cut a cycle. Pride is a bad advisor. Pride and guilt are bad advisors in everything. So, if you... I think that's aging or wisdom with the little S, not the big S, but it's recognizing when a situation resembles a situation you've already lived in and you have a choice. Do you make the same mistake or do you do something else? It's a video game that opens up and you're an A, B, you know what I mean?

Sometimes it's easier to do the same thing. Or sometimes you don't realize it and you do the same thing. Exactly. So when you can, like you got it. Wow. Yeah. I've been waiting for this for a long time. I've been waiting for this for a long time. And it also shows the confidence that you have with this call. Yes, without a doubt.

Because he calls you to tell you what I'm going through, and then he goes into a vulnerable state towards you? Yes, the trust that he has in himself. So, look, bingo, he's in. But I imagine that there's a little bit of everything you just said that makes him want to keep your archives, because he tries to keep them alive as long as possible. Without a doubt.

Because for your son, having a father who had him on the ground, as you said, even if there are a lot of men who have children at 50, he still thinks about that. Also, you know, in all humility... I've never lived that, but I can understand, and I say that in all humility. It's hard to live with a father who is known. You know, and... I don't need to be Brad Pitt for that. No one who is known or recognized. In the public space.

In the public space. Yes, there's like a character in the public space. Ah, yes, it's your father. So it's hard to redefine yourself. It's hard to make a first name. It's like I found it hard to make a name for myself. Especially since my name is common. Denis Bouchard, you're not the only one in Quebec after me.

Oh, damn, no. No, and I know when, you know, he calls a medical clinic in Estrie and says, well, what's your name, Denis Bouchard? Yes, but I have six, you know. Yes, yes. I'm going to say, OK. And they're going to end up dying, Chris.

They're going to die. But anyway, so, it was necessary that he contested things, and now he's determining it's a long process, it's different, it's not

done in action like me, you know, I was 16, I had two jobs, you know, he doesn't do the same. It's another way of working. My job is just to assist him and hope that he realizes, whatever he does. In acceptance.

Yes. But the father you would have wanted is to wait for the moment to come, and that the axes would align each other. Like when the moon, when there was the eclipse, and you saw Mars and Venus on one side and the other. It was all aligned, or I don't know, Jupiter. In the countryside, when I go to pee the dog,

I don't come back, I in Jupiter, in the countryside. When I go to pee the dog, I don't come back at night. I look at the sky and go, ah! You know, I have a small application on my cell phone. You put that on and you see what the stars are. You don't see that in Montreal, you know. You don't see anything of that. You don't have, you don't have... It's too bright, you know. And then I have that all night and I say to myself,

but it's so beautiful, you know. It's so beautiful, you know. It's become like a ritual. And the damn things change beautiful, you know. It's so beautiful, you know. It's become like a ritual. And the curse changes place, you know. They're not always, you know. One day they're there. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but as I told you, I had a good life. And I will continue to do my job, you know, but if you call me and all that, it's nice roles, you know, when you called me to make Audrey come back, I didn't hesitate a second, you know.

But I don't run after, you know, I decided to... I decided to live, just to live. I can't play. I can't wait to play with Guylaine this summer because I can't wait to see, it's been two or three years since I played at the theater, I can't wait to see how I will behave on stage. I'm sure there are things that have been set. You'll be calmer, maybe?

Yes, yes, yes, certainly. Wait, the question I was going to ask is, what type of lover are you? Hmm... Are we five hours away? I don't know. I don't know, it's not empirical. I don't know. It will depend on the periods of my life, it will depend on the partners of my life. What I can answer to that, more honestly, is that I think I love for the first time in my life.

That's still important, what you just said. Yes, I think so. And how did you know that? By the happiness it gives me, by the way I give up, the way I turn the pride around again. Because pride is an ace, I won't endure that, it's a's not what I'm talking about. That's a deal breaker. I'm going to go with that.

From the moment when you don't accept that as a valid answer, you see things differently. You don't try to run away from someone with adventures, or whoever, you try to... You... I'm fine, you're alone. I'm fine, maybe for the first time in my life, I'm fine, I never get bored, never, never, never. I have too many things to do.

I'm able to live alone. So when the furniture is there, it's extraordinary. When you're not there, it's also extraordinary. So before, you didn't live alone, you were able to live alone? No, no, no. I wanted it to be on the carpet all the time, you know. To be on the carpet all the time, because you're not able to... You're not able to satisfy yourself, you know.

So, the other one always has the charge to satisfy you, you know. So... It became demanding to share your life, in the end. It was exhausting. Exhausting. It's... Whereas now, I have my happy zones. I have rooms in the house where the readings are different.

I could spend my life reading. I was a monk, a copyist in another life. So that's a notebook for reading history books. That's more like my Tintin. That's the magazines, that's the newspapers. There are different pieces in my different... Let's hear it. Different little notebooks that, you know, clap-a-bang. And that's a little table. That That's all my newspapers. Tintin, the Geo newspaper. I read that. Ok, that's classics.

An old Balzac that I read again. Here, there are history books. You're reading history. History books, you know, history... The ancient person. So... And that, just... What am I going to read today?

That's it. And then, hop, the dog is alive. So, I don't have to, I have to get my drink. But that's it, everyday life. What you're describing is how we spend time quickly. We think it's a quiet day and finally it doesn't go well. And I eat a lot, you know, it's 90% of. 90% of meals are made for us, maybe even more. And now I'm coming from Thailand, because I really like Southeast Asia.

It's the first time my girlfriend came to Southeast Asia. We went to a cooking class. I thought I knew about cooking. I realized that I didn't know about it at all. And now I'm a capote. I make kuisine I make a mess. And everything. And then I make salad with mangoes and papayas and then listen, I just discovered a new

world. So now I have it to be a big year. And in addition, in addition, we killed two goats, so I have a lot of meat. I don't need to buy... I tell you, with the gardens, the apples, the maple syrup, the bulls that have on them, the chickens, blah, blah, blah, being able to print money, we would be autonomous. You're in a tarsi mood. Almost, almost. Almost. It's amazing.

You're in a beautiful period of your life. Oh, but... but... I'm happy because it's the last time Grace is waiting for you. Well, it's because you've put a lot of things in there. But you're also able to savor it. It's that maybe in your rhythm before, you would have gone past that. Oh, well, of course. You wouldn't have seen all that you have.

No, no, no, no. I take advantage of it. So the rhythm is important in life. Yes, yes. That's why I told you that I'm hard to move. Do you understand? I'm hard to move. I've lived my whole life in Montreal, but I'm hard to move because I have too many things

I can't do. Thank you, really. Red level, Denis. You go in PG3 and we will answer a single question on this level. This one. There you go. Ferré, sing, with time everything goes. What does time become for you?

What is your relationship with death? Have you already reached the end of your physical or psychological limits? What time is it now? We talked a lot about it. We talked about it. Wait, let's go with the dead. Listen, I never thought I was old. I never thought of turning 35. Never. And in some ways, pretty much everything, not to get there. All my heroes died young. Jim Morrison, Jim Hendrix, Johnny Joplin. So there was no interest in living long.

So one day I found myself continuing to live. long time. Alors un moment donné, je me suis retrouvé comme à continuer à vivre, tu sais. Et quand je suis sorti de l'École nationale, j'avais 23, 24 ans, j'ai tellement travaillé fort parce que tu sais, je suis sorti de l'école, puis mes profs m'avaient dit, des petits blonds aux yeux bleus, il y en a des tonnes, faut faire du travail fort en maudit, tu sais. Mais j'étais capable d'écrire, j'étais capable de mettre en scène, j'avais comme I had a few. I met Rémi pretty quickly, Rémi Girard, who was a little bit in the same thing as me. He wrote, he directed, he played. So we got along, we did a lot of things together for years. And you know, sometimes I thought my life wasn't going well. My life is a little bit like a movie. on the street for years. And, you know, sometimes I thought my life was not in order.

My life was a bit like, a bit random. I had a teenage crisis at 50 years old, I had a child at 50 years old, I took my retirement between 20 and 45 years old to work. You know, it's not all in order. And, quietly, not quickly, time goes by, and then I have a son at 50 years old, but then I say, boy, and then I live on borrowed time, there are a few things to take, you know, I'm not even supposed to be there, so when I was 60, when I was 70, I was still much older, I was still in my prime.

So, and I don't think, I still don't think I'm going to live long. I'm not interested in living long. What's not interested in now? To become... There's no interest in living until 95 years old. No interest. For a Jeanette Bertrand, there are 100,000 who are no longer there. It's without interest.

You become vegetables, you become... You have no capacity. It's those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, no, no. If your condition is not the same as today's, because some people keep their cognitive function for a long time, all that. No, no, no, no. It doesn't try to prove yourself like that. No, and I've already announced my colors to my son, to everyone. And also when you get older, it's that you're less, especially if you're getting older as much as that, it's that you know you're not necessarily going to climb that slope. You know, youth allows you to believe, but...

No, yes. So you've talked about it a lot. I have a good genetics. Yes. I have a very good genetics. I should be much more organic. I am. Non-obstant, the arteries are blocked. And all that.

But that's the problem. But that has been repaired? It's the problem. But beyond that, I don't have a date of retirement. One year, I'll do... OK, that's enough. I don't have... I have a date of retirement. One year, I'll do... Okay, that's enough. I wouldn't be bothered to be removed 3 or 4 pieces and...

No, no, no, not at all. I don't like life enough to that extent. The only thing that's unbearable to me is not seeing my son again. That's unbearable. But I wouldn't be upset, once again, if pride is a bad advice. When I feel that I am the shadow of myself or that I am becoming the shadow of myself,

I will, you know, if they announce something, cancer or whatever. Would you follow treatments if they were to be announced tomorrow? Not with 30-40% of redemption. No fucking way. No. I'm not going there. I don't care. I had an extraordinary life. I had fun in my life. I met people I was lucky to work with, and the privilege of working with people who had a lot of talent. J'ai eu la chance de travailler et le privilège de travailler avec des gens qui avaient énormément de talents. J'ai été excessivement comblé. Je m'abstinerais pas avec ça.

Pas du tout, pas du tout. Fait que mon rapport à la mère est... à la mère! Quelle beau lapsus, my God. Death is not... I'm much more afraid of suffering than of death. That... The day my Martinique drape hits the job at 5 o'clock, we're going to be in the mad. But as long as my Martinique drape does the job at 5 o'clock, and I take my little Martinini dry with my olives.

Life is beautiful. I don't take two, I take one. And that's good for the soul. Do you understand? So, try as long as this little drug works, we'll be fine. But the day they tell me, you can't drink anymore, you can't do this, you can't do that, you know.

But when you talk about that to your loved ones, how do they react? They laugh. OK. They laugh. But I'm serious. Yes, that's it. Because they say, are you going to continue thinking like that or are you going to... Well, I've been thinking about that. Recently, my ex ex-wife, with whom I've been with for 35 years, told me that he was retiring and I said, well, you can't do that.

I found it excessively selfish. Well, he's laughing because I've been with him for 35 years and he's not on a regular basis like before. Before, I saw him three times a week, but aging is no longer the case. But losing his ex-wife is also a small death. An abandonment, huh? You can see it as an abandonment. Yes, yes. And then I thought about it. I talked to him again and I said, You know what? It's going to be fine. Don't worry.

You reassured him. I said, it's going to be fine. I'm strong enough, I'm capable. Who would I have in front of me if you hadn't met this guy 35 years ago? I don't know. I have no idea. I've only lived a life. I have no idea what life would have been like. But you've seen all the work you did with him? Oh, I see it, yes. And all the work I did, because he understands me well, you know. And if it's not someone who... it's not him who does the job instead. He listens to you and you talk to him. It's you who does his homework too. It's me who speaks, it's me who pays, it's me who speaks.

That's it. But on the other hand, learning to speak, learning to name things, that's what I wasn't taught. I wasn't taught that because I didn't have the right to the chapter. I was at someone's service. That's what's hard to do. I learned by myself, with a catharsis, I'ai appris à moi-même à dire les choses, à dire comment je me sens, puis dire comment tu te sens, dire les choses, c'est les rendre légitimes. C'est ça de la psychanalyse, c'est ça de la psychanalyse. Et ça, j'ai transmis ça à mon fils. Mon fils a appris très, très rapidement à nommer. Parce que This is a question that I have been asking myself for a long time. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer this question. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer this question.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer this question. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer this question. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer this question. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer this question. It's like he's missing a piece of history. Well, saying things is preventing you from making them suffer to the other. That's one of the things I really like about Asian countries, especially Buddhist countries. It's compassion. You don't waste your time. You don't let someone suffer the emotions you feel. Never. Question your emotions and name them.

If you name them, you prevent wars from breaking out. In short... A great lesson in life. Yes, but... And it's applying it that challenges it. Yes, yes. So what I would have become without him, I would have the tendency to say, but what would I have become without me? You're just a new life, I don't know.

But he helped you re-center yourself. He helped me, he let me, he allowed me to speak, what I had never been allowed before. permit que je me parle, ce qu'on m'avait jamais permis avant. Et puis t'as pas abandonné. Tu t'es pas abandonné parce que t'aurais pu t'abandonner là-dedans et dire j'arrête ces rencontres-là. Non, non, non, ça c'est... quand tu commences cet exercice-là, même si lui il prend sa retraite, je vais continuer à parler, je vais continuer à me parler. T'as assez de doutes. Oui, oui, oui, you have enough tools. Yes, yes, I agree. But you know, it's the challenge of so many people,

and we're talking about it more and more, about the management of emotions, about naming them, about talking about it with children, because you know, like anger, you know, now we're talking about anger, but I remember the first shows I did with Mark Sotorio in the morning, where he wrote a book,

The Wisdom of Our Angers, that I really enjoyed. I think I was there. And you know, he did a re-edition, he asked me to write the preface, it touched me so much that he asked me to write the preface of this new edition, because that book was significant to me. Because anger is something we learned, in any case, we are repressed. It's not a beautiful emotion, it's a feeling of shame.

And in addition, it seems that for a woman, anger, that's your hormones, your history, you have to be in your week. It's all that comes with it. And anger, the sources are very different. The manifestation of anger, the end of it is anger, and yet it is done in silence. And that's why it's... What you say, I find it so... We'll never stop hearing what you just said.

Learning to name it. Yes, and from that moment on, you become much less important. In your own eyes. Do you understand? You're not making others suffer something But you're also making others doubt. Because you don't know what the other is telling you. From the moment you have more time for yourself, because you're not trying to manage the excess of words, it's a long time. It's playing ball with yourself.

But it gives you time to do something else. You can get involved differently. I just got involved, I'm going to be a spokesperson for the not-too-slow steps. I'm going to have a fun night. And they told me, why do you accept? Because soon I'll need you. I want to stay in the campaign, the most in the number one. You want them to come and take you, you don't.

I wouldn't have had time to do that before. Now I'm getting involved with others. I'm going to be their spokesperson everywhere, in Quebec, in the small city. And it's so relevant to the problem. The implication, you know, Yvonne Deschamps once told me, you know, the implication, we do it for ourselves. Yes. We choose our cause, which will fascinate us, which will give meaning.

But precisely, we choose. You know, we don't let ourselves be chosen. We choose because it means that it's an investment in time, it's also an investment in passing, in experience. They say we do it for ourselves and then we harvest so much. But it's true that social involvement, you know, it stimulates the hormone of happiness. Because we do it with others too. You know, it's all the opposite of isolation, social involvement.

It's contagious. Yes, you do it with others, you do good with others, and there's something that comes back to us that we're not going to look elsewhere. It's involvement because it's a voluntary act, but with responsibilities. Doing volunteer work, it's not, I want it when I want it. People give a responsibility, but always to people, people who feel isolated. When you have the physical capacity to do, you know, people who feel isolated. When you have the physical capacity to do volunteer work, sometimes you can make calls. You know, there's so much way to get involved.

Well, bravo! That's why it's a beautiful association. We really like it. We're back to the Eros and Companions level. I'm going to ask you in PG5, you're going to choose one. So we're going to answer one question at this level. PG5? Well, I have five. You still have five, but give me one with four. You put less.

No, no, but I have five. Okay, well give me one with four. Wait, wait, I might have one. No, it's me, maybe I put one less. So I give you one with four. Give me one with four. I give you one with four. Yes, yes, we'll try.

One, two, three, four. Look at that. Earlier you talked about Jeannette. I remember we had done a lecture on sexuality with Jeannette and you were co-animating with me in the morning and you said to Jeannette, you've de-nosed Quebec. Well, yes. You know when you're in the room with what it is, with no taboo like she had.

Well, hey, no, well, not four words that we didn't give to the other guys. That, Jeannette. Are you comfortable in the sphere of intimacy? What memories do you look at for the first time? How has your sexual life evolved over time? Is sexuality a taboo subject in your family? OK. We'll answer one question. One question. Yes.

I'll answer about intimacy. Are you comfortable in... More and more. More and more. And it brings me back to other questions. Because we talked about it. The more you love yourself, the more comfortable you are with your life, the more comfortable you are with others.

So, it hasn't always been the case. Intimacy was something. plus déconfortant avec les autres. Ça a pas toujours été le cas, l'intimité était quelque chose. C'est drôle quand je travaillais pour jouer René Lévesque, j'avais été mangé avec Claude Charon, et Claude Charon m'avait dit, «Pour un acteur, c'est le fun à jouer». Je lui disais, «Mais comment je vais jouer ça?» Il dit, «Ben, René Lévesque was more intimate with a crowd than with one person. And I was like, wow!

Wow, that's playable. I'm talking about an actor. To feel that when he's alone with a person, he's threatened, while Mélis is in front of 5000 people and he's going to make a speech, so everyone will remember as if he was talking to, personally, each of the people. You know? You understand? That, I thought it was enjoyable. And I think that, I think that there is, there is, there is, there is a part of the answer to this question in there. You're comfortable with intimacy when you manage to give up your own intimacy. And to refuse to have intimate relationships with several people at the same time. That these are also expectations to be fulfilled each time?

It's fleeting each time. It's fleeting each time. It has nothing to do with intimacy, it has to do with compulsion more than anything else. You flee. It's a vision of intimacy in a way, but it's not very healthy, definitely not. Did you know at that time that it wasn't simple? Well, I'm a smart guy, so you know it's not simple, but you don't have a choice. Explain that to me.

Because a lot of people live that. When you say, not the choice, it's not resonating? It's that intimacy is systematically something that is not possible. So you will always, if you invest in an intimate relationship, you will be abandoned. And you will never be what? So you don't give up? No. So you go elsewhere, you go elsewhere. When I say somewhere, it's...

But we are... It's exaggerated bit exaggerated, but you're in the head of two... You're always running away. You... Because you're not capable. Because you don't go deep. Because it's a bit all the time new. If you don't let this relationship go deep.

You know how many people... Me, the first one, you put an end to a relationship, and the next day you start another one. For six months, you call your new blonde the next day you start another one. For six months you call your new blonde the name of the old one. You just make the same relationship continue with different people for 10, 15, 20 years. Until the day you get tired of it. And how do you feel about these women now? What do you think about these women now?

Well... Listen, you're a take-two to a take-go. You're not alone in there. In general, you meet people like you. Who need to run away too. And the women who wanted to go further, it couldn't work for you either. No, it couldn't work. No. And what makes you say, OK, that's enough? It's to build on yourself, to say, no, it's not...

I'm going to invest in myself, I'm I will take care of myself. Because it's exhausting or it's a runaway? Yes, it's exhausting. You can spend your life running away. And intimacy is one of the songs, understand me well, in which you run away. When you run away, you run away, period. It's a whole different field. You run away from work, you run away from your life, etc. tout domaine confondu là tu sais tu fuis dans le travail tu financer etc là tu sais fait que la fuite t'amène toujours en dehors là tu es soullier tout le temps tout le temps tout le temps

quel qu'elle soit que ce soit en intimité que ce soit dans le travail n'a pas de quoi est ce que tes amis ont remarqué le changement je sais pas j'ai beaucoup moins d'amis qu'avant Did your friends notice the change? I don't know. I have a lot less friends than before. A lot less, a lot less. I don't feel the need to have as many friends as before. I see a lot less people than before. A lot less often. I don't know. I should have to ask some old friends, but I wouldn't know how to answer that question.

But you have more time when they are there. You're not running either. Yes, but it tempts me less too. It tempts you less because you count your time differently. Oh yes. I see friends who ate after 2 hours. I go home. It's enough. I said what I had to say. I don't need to go to work from 5 to 7 until 3 in the morning. One, I don't have time. Two, I don't have the health to do that. But beyond that, I don't have the health to do that anymore. But beyond that, I don't have the time to do that.

I don't have the time to do that. I have a lot of important things to do, like reading a book. It's as simple as that. But that's the choice of what you do with your time. Yes, that's it. You're not in the run anymore. But I like your answer about intimacy,

because there are people for whom this area is difficult, it is almost unattainable. Your answer can also answer some people, to say, well, when you're in the lead, you're in yourself. Because it's like the last thing you're doing to spread intimacy somewhere. To the other. Well, I think that intimacy... Intimacy must be shared with someone too. You can't have an intimate relationship with someone if you don't have reciprocity of that intimacy. So, in doing so, you attract people who look like you,

necessarily. So, the question doesn't really arise. You don't need to unpack anything. It all comes from you. We were talking about it. So, when you see that person, now that you're in it, you say, I think I like him for the first time. Yes. For the simple reason that I think I like him for the first time. Yes. For the simple reason that I think I like it for the first time.

But it hasn't been like that for a week now. Marie, it's been years since this process has happened. But when you love yourself, because you've lived, you've felt both, when you love yourself, it means that you accept that the other person comes to see your shadow areas. Of course. So that's what makes intimacy. It's that person comes to see your shadow zones. Of course. So that's what makes it intimate, it's that you too can see your shadow zones. You have that space too,

to have that curiosity, to get out of yourself to go visit the other person. And the shadow zones are much brighter than they were, you know. You understand, it's not really shadow zones anymore. Shadow zones. But you know, I like shadow zones, you know. Shadow zones. Ha ha ha ha! But you know, I like doing interviews, you know. When I do it with 20-year-olds,

with people 40, 50, no matter their age, we see the life experience that is set up. We see that rock. We also see people who have done a job on their own. You know, because I think if we had had this interview 20 years ago, it would have been different. Ah, well, sure. Ah, well, sure. les gens qui ont fait un travail sur soi. Tu sais, parce que je pense que si on avait eu cette entrevue-là, il y a 20 ans, ça aurait été différent. Ah ben c'est eux. Ah ben c'est eux. Là, t'es dans la zénitude.

Ben, je suis beaucoup plus dans une forme d'acceptation pis de renoncement, tu sais. Il faut... Tu sais, la vie, c'est de faire du renoncement volontaire, tu sais, attends pas. Parce que tu vois, tu sais, c'est pas... You know, life is about making voluntary renunciations. Don't wait. Because you know, it's not... It doesn't ask... Especially in my job, you know, it's Benoit Girard who said that as you get older,

it's no longer a job of humility, but a job of humiliation. Because as you get older, you're paid less than when you're younger, and so on. But that's the choice life choice you've decided. It's a smart job, and it's normal. If you try to rebel against it, you'll see that it will give you... It's pride. It's pride. So you shouldn't think the same way. You have to think according to what makes you happy.

Last question, Denis La the question is for you, Optoraiso. If you look at the whole of your career, what are you most proud of? All the different fields, whether it's in my personal life, in my profession, all that. What I'm most proud of is always trusting my instinct. Hmm. Instinct is important.

Yes, much more than we think. How would you define instinct? plus qu'on pense. Oui, comment tu définirais l'instinct? L'instinct, c'est la petite voix intérieure qui dit, fais pas ça. Ou, vas-y. Sans voir toute l'argumentation. Oui, oui, oui. Et l'instinct trompe pas. Tout le reste trompe. instinct is not wrong. The rest is wrong. Reflections, analysis, conjunctions, all

that, everything is wrong, but the instinct is not wrong. Do you have the impression that when you follow your instinct, even if for example it doesn't work, that you fully assume it because it's not someone else who tells you to do it? Well, it's because after that you think, I dare to do it myself. I accepted to do that, but have I really followed my instinct? The other time I was talking to Dave Eletbert, who is a neurosciences doctor, and he said that, I was talking about the instinct, the intuition, you know, the instinct, the intuition, it is built with experience. It's like the brain

is in a magazine of images, it feels it, and when it is confronted with the same situation or it recognizes something, it will give us the authorization or vice versa, but it is done very, very quickly, you know, and we wonder where it comes from, but the instinct, it's like it's developing more than we have experience of life. It transforms. Yes. When you're 23 years old and you drop out of university for two and a half years,

you're looking forward to it, you trust your instinct, but you're naive because you don't really know where you're going, you know. instinct, mais t'es naïf parce que tu sais pas vraiment dans quoi tu t'embarques. Faire une rupture de cet ordre-là à 55 ans, c'est beaucoup plus dur parce que t'as de l'expérience. Donc, si t'essayes de te fier à ton instinct tel que ton instinct était il y It evolves against, like, self-confidence. But you detect more things with it. We detect more things with it. Because we have a lot more references. But it's like it happens without rationalizing it. Without...

I find that instinct is something that you have to follow. I really like what you just said. You're the proudest, you followed your instinct, so you assume your path. We didn't impose it on you. No. That's also following your instinct. No, I don't like victimization. I didn't drink, I didn't pas fait, j'aime pas ça. Pis je suis parfaitement

conscient qu'il y a tout des enjeux sociologiques pis tout ça pis je comprends tout ça. Je comprends tout ça. Y a des gens qui ont plus de chances que d'autres pis par exemple, y a des gens qui ont été barouettés, qui ont été violés alors que j'ai trois ans pis tout ça pis qui ont vécu des affaires effrayants. C'est Who were raped, raped for three years, and all that, and who lived through scary things. It's damn hard to say that, all of you, you know, I understand that perfectly. But ultimately, you can just live your life. Ultimately. And that's where you can build something, whatever it is. Because otherwise, you'll just be a victim. Yes, so we have choices to make.

You have to be your own boss, whatever it is. No matter what it is, no matter who it is, no matter what it will become, you have to be your own boss and you have to work towards this autonomy all your life. All your life, because it doesn't forgive. Thank you, Denis Bouchard. Really a magnificent meeting. Well, I'm pleased. I'll give you my joker back. Well yes, the joker, you didn't use it.

No, I didn't use it. I'll give you your game back. There are questions you didn't answer, so you can have fun. You're giving me the game? Some of them were written for you. Questions often come from a game to another, but the mix of those questions is unique to you. So you start again with your game. Thank you.

So thank you to everyone for being here, and we'll see you next week. Thank you for being here and see you next week. Thank you, everyone.