Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #93 Alexandre Aussant (Mona de Grenoble) | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everyone, welcome to Open Your Game. And here I have the game number 2, which is Open Your Game in a couple, and also designed for dating. We had a lot of people who said, it would be fun to make one for a couple. There are still some who say, I do the Open Your Game, the first one, I do it in a couple. And then we said, why don't we really do one,

Starting point is 00:00:27 to help the couple, and also to help the teams? Because it was a bit of a hassle sometimes, a first meeting, and then to say, well, look, it can be a discussion, directed with questions, we're free, but I think we've done questions that can be fun to answer in both cases. The game is now available, it's all recent.

Starting point is 00:00:47 I'll give you an example because, well, there's the green level, the yellow level, the red level and the pink level, which is not in the other one, open your game. The pink level is dedicated to the couple in this game. I found that a little tricky sometimes for dating. You know, you have to let things go a little tricky sometimes for dating. You have to let things go, but if those in dating want to go to the pink level, everything is possible. I'll give you an example. I'll take questions that aren't in the game here. For example, what puts you immediately in the mood?

Starting point is 00:01:22 Or how do you show your love? It can be fun to ask the other person. Sometimes, we don't even realize that if they prepare something for us to eat, it's a way... Sometimes, we take things for granted, so to ask certain questions and to ask, what would be the difference between sexuality and sensuality for you? What memories of a moment of tenderness lived together still warm you up in your heart? So there are several questions like that. For example, in a dating question, it could be, what is your relationship with social networks? You know, that kind of question where you want to understand who is the other quickly. So there is all this.

Starting point is 00:02:05 Obviously, it is for sale among other things at Renaud Bré, in all the imaginary, game stores, independent bookstores. You will also find Ouvre Ton Jeu. I can tell you that I am very, very proud of this new Ouvre Ton Jeu. So that's what I had to say. I'm going to leave it there. I really want you to see it. Obviously,

Starting point is 00:02:28 I want to thank the partners. Among other things, the partner of Open Your Game is Randolph. We know the ads, the playful Randolph, and you can even go, if you're on a date, I think, to a good place to meet. They have the game, so you can

Starting point is 00:02:44 be in a public place and have your first meeting with that. I think it could be a very nice evening. By the way, if you do it, can you send me comments? I would really appreciate to see how it works. Does it work for the couple? Did it work during a first meeting? And as a partner, we have the Marie-Club.

Starting point is 00:03:05 The Marie-Club is really my well-being space. It's a space where when people come in, we have as a goal in the Marie-Club, in fact, to make sure that we live better, to improve our lives forever. And also to meet people, to get out of isolation. So it's really a platform that I love, a platform that's there to stay long. Where I work with Maude Guérin, Sophie Préjean, Guylaine Tremblay,

Starting point is 00:03:36 and now Vanessa Pilon, who also comes to talk about parenting with different specialists. So it's a lot of things. And I want to tell you that if you listen to the podcast, we offer you 10% discount on an annual subscription. So you go to maricloud.com, you will see the Marie-Claude right away, and the promo code is CLUB10. For Karine Jean-Claude, who is the partner of the first hour,

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Starting point is 00:04:25 And it's the first of February, so it started a while ago, but it ends on March 31st. That's it, there are some everywhere in Quebec. It's really a... it's a franchise. These are optometrists who have grouped together, and the grouping is called Optoraiso. So you can go and see what they have to offer you. A big thank you to the team, Caroline Dionne for the coordination,

Starting point is 00:04:49 David Bourgeois for the online presentation, Jonathan Frechette for the digital creation, and Maëlle Le Devin for the capture. Today, I am excited to receive the game, to see it, to talk to you about it, but also to receive someone who has two identities. A professional identity, Mona de Grenoble, and her name is Alexandre Ossant. I don't know him, I've seen him on stage, I've seen him on TV, and I have the impression that I could get along with him.

Starting point is 00:05:23 I can't wait to hear him talk about him. He's someone we see more and more. So maybe some of you know him well, some of you are like me, it will be a discovery. So I leave room for my Grenoble A. You know, I don't like my body very much. I talk about it all the time, my fingers are here. I don't like that. I have a little throat, a little stutter.

Starting point is 00:05:44 I'm chapped, I'm bling. I have the bottom gaudy, I'm a little chubby, I'm skinny. I have the... You know, there are some who have a skin tone in pink, peach, brown, black, it's beautiful. I'm green. I'm green with autism. I'm like a soft crab, but my chum makes me look beautiful. I like your definition. I don't like my body. I don't think I'm beautiful, you're naked.

Starting point is 00:06:06 It's not beautiful. So you're nudity... I wasn't well. But now I'm comfortable with my chum because I think that... And more and more, it's been four years since we've been together and it keeps evolving. But we communicate better in our sexuality, we communicate well, and it makes me feel beautiful.

Starting point is 00:06:22 Sometimes, there are times when I find myself licking, licking, licking, and he goes, he goes, ah, you're beautiful, I find myself feeling good, and he goes, «Ah, you're beautiful!» I'm like, «Ah, take me all!» You take him, you accept him when he says that? Yes, more and more. You wouldn't accept him before? No.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Open Your Game is presented by Karine Jonquin, the reference in skin for the skin, available in nearly a thousand pharmacies in Quebec, and by the Marie-Claude virtual community, available on Marie-Claude.com. Table tennis is available everywhere in the store and on Randolph.ca. It's really exciting to play Open Your Game. Today, I feel particularly privileged because the person in front of me, I saw them on stage,

Starting point is 00:07:12 I saw them on TV, but it's the first time we've met and already something is happening. So I think we're going to discover it. We know him, but I think we can know it better because it's two people in one. So there's a lot to say because on one side there's Alexandre Ossant and there's also my grandpa from Grenoble. Welcome! Hello! It's a privilege for me, my dear. Oh, I'm so happy! What's it like? I've been here for 20 minutes and I think we're getting along already.

Starting point is 00:07:40 It's already going well. And I followed you in Big Brother too. I'm a big fan of this show. And already this year, I'm hooked. After 8 minutes, I'm hooked. Me too. It's so good. I have to calm down because I'm a little ahead of you with these shows because of the Strasbourg City managers. Because now that we're animating with Marie-Josée Gauvin,

Starting point is 00:08:02 do you like that role? Yes, I love it. It allows me to be part of the universe without being able to go play this year. Because they asked me to go, and I couldn't because of my tour. But I went because I understood the game. I understood the game after two and a half months out of three. When I was at home, I was like,

Starting point is 00:08:18 oh, it's true, it's a game, we can put patterns. I just had a social game when I went. The party, the little parties, being hungry and being chum with everyone. When I understood the game, I won everything. I won, I won. But this year, if it wasn't for my tour, I would have really gone to play. It was exciting this year, the little codes hidden everywhere. And the new versus the players who have already done it. there's something in there and we're already attached to these characters.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Because it's still, I'm going to situate you, because it's Mona and Alexandre. We've known Mona, I think, before. Mona, you're a drag. It's your name in drag, Mona de Grenoble. And we knew you in that flamboyant aspect. And among other things, in Big Brother, we saw both sides. Because you were dressed like that in Alexandre, in yourself. And also...

Starting point is 00:09:21 Yes, yes, I'm not going to spend 16 days a week dressing Mona. It would have been a nightmare, I think. It must be the most uncomfortable thing in the world to be in a drag. And how did you come to this wish to be in a drag? I started, it will be my 12th year this year. I started at 18, fresh out of the CEGEP, at the same time that I was going to university. I went to see a show with one of my friends.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And my best friend, Virginie Chauvet, who is a nurse at the moment, in humor, was one of the first women to do drag queen in Quebec, in Montreal. She's a woman, but she did a drag queen character. It's still an exaggerated make-up and costumes that you wouldn't wear for the grocery store. We saw her on stage, we went to see her, and seeing the show, the animations, we were all shocked. We said, well, it's fun.

Starting point is 00:10:08 Is there a way to do that a little more crass, a little more comical? So there we created, me and him, two characters from my aunt. We signed up for the contest that each year had at Cabaret Mado, which was called Drag Moi. And then, by doing the auditions for the contest, we both went straight into the contest, accepted. But we also had the job. We already had bookings for other days. And then, by the way, I made my place at the cabaret. And you know, for me, it was like...

Starting point is 00:10:31 It was a hobby, it was like improv. I was doing improv. It was like an artistic business that I was doing on the stage. It wasn't very paying either when I started. I never thought it was going to become a job, let's say. And finally, it became one. At what point did it become a job? Quand j'ai commencé, je pensais jamais que ça allait devenir une job, mettons. Puis finalement, ça l'est devenu. À quel moment c'est devenu une job? Ça l'est devenu quand j'ai commencé à animer des shows au cabaret, des soirées. J'avais parti une soirée d'humour aussi il y a cinq, six ans de ça.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Six ans après que j'ai commencé, puis que là je devenais peut-être plus une animatrice maison du cabaret, là je l'avoue à mes parents. Ils n'avaient pas dit encore pendant six ans. I was becoming more of a housewife at the cabaret. Now I'm telling my parents. I didn't say it yet. For six years, all my drag stuff was in a suitcase, a 98 Camry. My parents had no idea I was doing that. Why didn't you tell your parents before? Oh, I thought it was weird to admit.

Starting point is 00:11:15 All my coming out, it was tough, anyway. Not by my parents, for me. I had a lot of internalized homophobia, so you know... You know, telling them I was homosexual took some time, I had to do it at 18, 19. And drag took 6 years, and I was like, it wasn't known, drag at the time, it wasn't very popular. I was like, I'll explain that to you.

Starting point is 00:11:33 One day, I put on low-cut clothes, make people laugh in exchange for 50, 75 bucks. It's not normal, working a night in a bar, they'll think I'm in a shanty. You self-criticized yourself. I self-criticized myself. I self-sabotaged myself. My parents are the most open-minded people on Earth. I was lucky. I also had friends I heard horror stories from.

Starting point is 00:11:57 And I didn't want to. I thought maybe it could happen. But I knew my parents well since they put me in the world. I knew it wouldn't happen, but I was self-sabotaging, I was self-blocking. You weren't assuming. I wasn't assuming. Yeah, really. It's irresistible that I'm assuming. But I find that interesting.

Starting point is 00:12:14 We'll start. I would say that we're already in the game, but I want to continue on that because your parents were open, and it was you who one taking a step back. How do you explain that? Because sometimes we will blame the parents that the person is not comfortable enough with his parents to go do their coming out. No, we are so comfortable, the family, we are extremely close, extremely close since forever. We talk all the time, my brother, my sister, my parents, me.

Starting point is 00:12:44 We are a really tight-knit family. The problem is not to assume. It's also a banker problem that I learned two years ago that I had anxiety. And that's all the way you go in your head before saying anything. You had scenarios in your head. Scenarios, catastrophes. I don't blame my parents, but my father has always been the same.

Starting point is 00:13:05 In life, my father always expects the worst, he won't be disappointed. But when you expect the worst all the time, he has a train stop, he could have a plane, you could fall. That's anxiety, it's not normal, it's not right to live that. And my father does less and less of that. But yeah, I was always expecting the worst scenario, disaster, that could happen. And you make your way in your head when you have anxiety. As soon as you're alone and you don't take care of your head, it, that could happen. And you're on your way, when you're anxious. As soon as you're alone, and you don't take care of your head,

Starting point is 00:13:28 it's a ruminating. And you don't see them. You don't see them until you become aware of them and you stop yourself. Yes, because for others, Sanny Lupien always says, I often take this example, that stress is that the mammoth is in front of you, and everyone sees your mammoth. But anxiety, the mammoth is in you, puis tout le monde le voit, ton mammouth. Mais l'anxiété, le mammouth est dans toi, donc personne d'autre le voit que toi.

Starting point is 00:13:48 C'est que des fois, c'est plus dur à comprendre de l'extérieur. Je l'ai compris quand j'ai commencé à le verbaliser à ma gérante, à ma meilleure amie, à mon entourage, puis un moment donné, je sentais que c'était beaucoup pour eux. C'est lourd, quand tout est le pire, puis tout peut arriver le pire, puis rien va bien. T'es stressé, t'es nerveux, un moment stressed, you're nervous, you feel that it's heavy, the world around you, and I was like, go see a little girl. She said, well, that's anxiety, my little heart, here are some things, fix that.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Did it help you to know that? Uh, yes, yes. Yes, I can't think about it anymore, it's over, it's not going to be assumed, and live in the lie. That's a lot of work behind me, sorry, I'm going to be sacred today. In the podcast, we can. On TV, we would do bips, but not on the internet. But on the internet, you can.

Starting point is 00:14:32 But live in the lie and lie to me. That's behind me, so it relieved me to be able to do one, here's the name on your patent, here's how I can appease it, control it, at least. Did your family, when you did your first communion, did they tell you, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,-fashioned. We may be talking about the Distance, it comes from the South, and we were going back to Saint-Jean.

Starting point is 00:15:08 And I think I was texting probably a boy with a lot of smiles and everything. My mother, my mother, said, hey, would you be gay? Because it would be okay, huh? Then I said, yes, yes! She said, we've known it since you were four years old. But we laughed a lot. My father also said, well, is there something we don't know that you'll tell us instead? So it went really well.

Starting point is 00:15:31 We laughed and it was fine. So yeah, it went really well. And the drag, 6 years later, I was supposed to have... Yeah, that's it, I was about 24. When I confessed to them, they were like, huh? We were all around the island of cuisine, the whole family went. I said, the gang, I have to tell you what. I'm going to a comedy party and it's going to be on social media.

Starting point is 00:15:50 I do that in life. I'm my other big man. I do the shit. They've been doing it since when? I said, yeah, that's it. I've been doing it for about six years. They said, huh? You're going to tell me we missed the beginning? Sorry! Oh, I would have stopped like them. He was super disappointed. And I felt bad because he was like, have we done something? Why didn't you want to tell us? Pardon? Moi aussi j'aurais été comme eux. Il était super déçu. Je me suis senti mal parce qu'il était comme, on a-tu fait quelque chose?

Starting point is 00:16:06 Pourquoi tu voulais pas nous le dire? Puis j'étais comme, c'est vraiment moi, c'est pas vous autres, c'est moi. Puis j'arrivais pas à le nommer. Puis tu vois, à cette heure, on en a reparlé récemment, puis c'est l'anxiété qui a fait ça. Mais c'est pas eux autres, mais il était déçu puis ils se sont sentis mal. Puis mes parents, mon père, ma pauvre sœur aussi, ma pauvre sœur, elle dit, est-ce que j'ai dit quelque chose quand qu'on était jeunes que peut-être tu pensais que j'étais homophobe ou j'ai-tu dit un mauvais mot? My parents, my father, my poor sister, also my poor sister, said, Did I say something when we were young that maybe you thought I was homophobic?

Starting point is 00:16:27 Or did I say a bad word? I think I've already said it when we were young. I think it was on purpose. I was like Audrey, I don't know, I wouldn't remember. They were blabbering, they felt bad. I'm like, it's not you, it's all me. I don't know how to explain it to you. And today I can explain it better.

Starting point is 00:16:43 But what a beautiful family. Ah, they're brilliant. And today, I can explain it better. But what a beautiful family! They're brilliant! And some people left. I understand their story. It's like they're the ones who feel bad. They say, were we up to the mark? Exactly! What didn't we do? It's really beautiful.

Starting point is 00:16:58 It's heart-breaking to hear your parents say that. And I was like, hey, for real, it's zero. Those parents are perfect. They're going to hear this, they're going to do this. Nobody's perfect, don't say that. But they're perfect. They're perfect for the person you are. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:17:14 And my grandpa, why? Why not? Because it's so cheesy. The person I started the drag with was a friend of a pro. We started together, two of my aunts, we were like cosmic sisters. His name was Colette Depard. Colette Depard was no longer a hunk at the time.

Starting point is 00:17:32 I had my metabolism in the late 12s, when I was still 18. I weighed without a belly. Colette Depard was no longer a hunk. She was the bubbly, happy, rich aunt. Mona, next to me, I knew my first name was going to be Mona. Mona next to me was the dry, eager morning, plus roast, a little more violent, more stupid, you know? And since we were cosmic sisters, I was like,

Starting point is 00:17:53 I need a wordplay of food too, you know, that works. We had pork neck, a fat meat, all that. And next to it, we brainstormed at the café I worked at and we saw a pot of pomegranate nuts, we were like, ah, pomegranate mona. It works. So that was it. It's a rare thing. But it stayed. But mona, you say it was obvious. Where does it come from, mona?

Starting point is 00:18:14 I don't know. Is it unconsciously François Pérus? Mona, well yes. Mona, the guy's wife who stores that, can you do that? Is it unconsciously? It's a two-syllable name that makes me laugh. The fashion in Cabaret Mado was also a lot of two-syllable names that ended in A. You know, you had Nana, you had... But the names that end in A a lot, Serena, Alexia, all that. Because Mario called me Mona for years. You're crazy!

Starting point is 00:18:38 Because of François Pérussin. Now it's become a friend, it's become a friend because we listened to the albums so much that a year ago, for Mario's party, listen, François, I didn't know him, I called his manager, I asked him if he could talk to François, I think he was working at CKMF at the time. François reminded me, I said listen, Mario was the boss of the party, he was young, you know. So I explained that to him, he came to the party, there were maybe 50 people in our apartment, he opened the fridge, he saw that there was beer, we had just taken out the tablets. He said, OK, that's a party. And we became friends at that time.

Starting point is 00:19:10 We had done a quiz on the albums of the people. I think Mario had won against Francois, imagine. But Mona, for us, it was... That's why I was asking you, because it was... Mario was like, well Mona, we know well that you know everything. It's like a name that comes out of everything. A little bit like Mario, you'll correct me, I'm not giving you any intentions, but a little bit like Germaine.

Starting point is 00:19:33 Yeah, there's something like that. It says Mono with the diphthong, not Mona. When I heard Mono, I was like, OK. It was funny because I like that when it has a link. If you were inspired by French, I understand so much. Yes, but it didn't necessarily show in my humor. No, but... But it was a name that made me laugh, that I liked a lot.

Starting point is 00:19:55 Yes, because it's a name we've heard a lot during a certain period. Are you ready to open your game? Yes! Oh my God, that's it! So, we have the green level, which are generic questions. The yellow level, more specific questions. The red questions, more personal questions. The pink level, sexual and sensual questions. I love it.

Starting point is 00:20:16 After watching your show, I thought, you're not going to have any trouble with the erotic and companion level. I don't come back. You didn't come to give me a kiss after the show. It's my time when there's Marie-Claude Barrette. You were there, I was like, oh, you're laughing. Were you okay? I was pretty close, but it's because you were going.

Starting point is 00:20:30 You had the day after the show, I think. You were watching Big Brother, the first show. So you left early. You told us tonight that you weren't going. So I said, we're going to leave him alone. So we left. But I knew I was going to pick you up. So there's the question on the web.

Starting point is 00:20:44 I think it's always a good way to end the game. And the Joker, if you think he's under question, you're going to answer him. If you're uncomfortable, put the Joker and I'll move on to the other question. Has he already arrived? Yes. Well, wait, yes, he has already arrived. There's also Marie-Mé, who always had Joker in her hands.

Starting point is 00:21:05 Okay, that's a shame. She had a little stress, Marie-Mé. And a while ago she said Joker! So I thought another question. Wait, it's me who forgot, but yes, yes, she didn't like me often. But wait, who came and really got me there? Like, it's Michel Courteamange.

Starting point is 00:21:25 Michel Courteamange, at one point, he really had a problem with my question. I think it brought him bad memories. In any case, I'm the one who interprets, but he put the joker and we stopped. It's interesting, but it seems to me that it's more revealing when you put a joker to a question than if you answered it.

Starting point is 00:21:43 Am I crazy to think about that. It depends. What happens here in the game, sometimes we come to very personal areas and it involves other members of our family. I understand. So it's always delicate, these areas, because they're not there to defend themselves. Or are you going to be called by your whole family, why did you say that? You understand, so sometimes you'd better put the joker to say, look, I... I know it well.

Starting point is 00:22:06 Perfect. Sometimes you see the guest that, oh, okay, the scenario is developing, so I respect that. So for me, it allows me to ask the questions I want because it's my protection too, the joker. Very good. You understand, but you really don't have to use it. Well, I'll have it in mind, but I'm already getting bored with podcasts. Okay. Maybe, depending on the questions.

Starting point is 00:22:24 There, you put them on the table like that, you're going to give me five, I'm going to bored with podcasts. Maybe, depending on the questions. You throw them on the table like that, you're going to give me five, I'm going to read them to you. I'm shaking Marie-Claude. My hands are softer than usual. But I'm really always very soft. Because that's what you do with podcasts. You know this universe. Yeah, but I started a little bit with humor with that, the next stand-up and the podcasts.

Starting point is 00:22:45 But podcasts sometimes stay on the internet, sometimes a joke a little too trashy, it creates... a lot of trouble. So, let's see if you learned. So here are the questions. On what character traits did you have to work? Where do you feel you have your means? What is your greatest fear? What is your worst flaw? What is your worst flaw?

Starting point is 00:23:06 What importance do you give to others? Wow, wow, yes, wow! I'm going in what order? You choose one and I choose one. Okay, very well. I'm going to choose a trait of character on which I worked. Perfect! I would say...

Starting point is 00:23:26 Well, is that a trait of character? Yes, angry. I was very angry. Some people would say, you're sure you'd be able to blame it on the planet? No, I think I'd blame it on my maturity. But I've always been someone who got angry quickly.

Starting point is 00:23:42 How did you manifest that? From what age do you remember that you got angry? Since... since adolescence. Adolescence... the second I realized that I was gay, and that I didn't want to admit it, I started to live in the lie, in the secret, and that's something that weighs heavily, in the back of your shoulders.

Starting point is 00:24:03 It's like a dark cloud above your head all the time. And everything I lived, even if it was fun, I found the way to find something that made me angry because I wasn't 100% myself. You were diverting attention somewhere. I was diverting attention, there was nothing real, I was in the dark, I felt bad, I was fighting for it, and I was shocked.

Starting point is 00:24:22 How did you know you were gay? How did you start living it? How do you admit it? Because I understand it was pretty difficult. I knew it. You realize that little girls don't interest you at school. You're like, OK. And then you start finding beautiful guys. You think, oh my God, maybe I'm gay. And sexually too. I'm from the generation, we had porn on the internet,

Starting point is 00:24:48 so I was catching that the girl in the video, I wasn't watching her, I was watching the man, and I was like, okay. And you know, it's a year that you develop feelings for a guy friend you have, or a guy you know, and you're like, oh my God, that's my guy. You feel it, the little butterflies? That's when you're like, oh, well, sacrifice, I'm not a gay.

Starting point is 00:25:05 And I remember, I had a friend who had done his coming out very early in high school, and when he did it, we moved away. Because I was like, Ah! He's assuming! Wow! Ah! How? And we moved away because I didn't assume that yet. I didn't know 100% that I was.

Starting point is 00:25:23 I was very afraid of all that. Internalized homophobia, it was all inside me. Then we moved away. And I wanted to do it because I thought, you know, if I was still friends with a high schooler, 3, 4, 5, it might have helped me. I could have asked questions. But where does internalized homophobia come from? I don't know. I don't know. But when we're young and... Well, there's an article that came out recently that the disease

Starting point is 00:25:48 against homosexuality has increased among young people, but, you know, young generations are always ahead of those who preceded it. You know, we're... being gay, being a girl, being a bitch, I have the right to say those words, passing on to everyone. It's an insult. Ah, that's really gay, madam, that duty. You know, it's an insult. And I think that a gay, I'm a fief, I'm a faggot. I have the right to say those words to everyone. It was an insult. Ah, that's gay, that's a lady's duty. It was an insult. I think that unconsciously,

Starting point is 00:26:12 we put that aside from the track. The normal track. So, all the time, there's something... You had an interpretation of that. Well, yes, I did it unconsciously. Not the way we were seen, but the way... You know, the environment in which we live, the context in which we are. I had a lot of friends, I was friends with all the social cast of the school, the people, the sports, the arts, the styles, etc.

Starting point is 00:26:34 So it was natural for me, it's a defense mechanism to be chum with everyone and to adapt to their language level. at their level of language and all that, but yeah, I don't know. I know when we... I was long in over-adaptation because of my many developments, and when I was 30, I lived something, anyway, and I realized that my life was an adaptation, and that I didn't know who I was, because I was always what the other wanted me to be somewhere. You know, when it comes to... And they spoil each other a little bit, that's what we call it. Well, you know, it's saying, we do this or that, okay, it's going to be correct, not to assert yourself. Somewhere, you're a little bit

Starting point is 00:27:10 facing yourself in over-adaptation. Yes, well, it's a problem that I still have. And you see, it's been a long time since I've seen my psych, I have to come, but people pleasing, I call it that, but over-adaptation, effectively, that's the right term. Because there are some who have rigidity, when it doesn't adapt, it's the right term. Because some people are rigid.

Starting point is 00:27:25 When you don't adapt, they become rigid. But in the other spectrum, to adapt always comes with consequences. Exactly. I always say, the right thing to do is to please Coco. I want to avoid confrontation. Unless we play with my strongest values. But in general, I don't set my limits. I don't set my limits and I don't close myself if we make a decision. But you're making them somehow.

Starting point is 00:27:49 I still have that problem. You see, I still have that problem a lot. To please the world a lot, that's crazy. But to want to please so much that you get a little soft. It's like you dilute a little. Let's say I'm blue and you're red. I'll turn out to be bad. I'll be a bit of a deluge.

Starting point is 00:28:10 We'll make our decisions. It's true that I have trouble doing that. Maybe that's why I also had trouble getting out of the wardrobe. Well, calm down, Marie-Claude Borel. I had never done that introspection, Vierge. Well, listen, you'll talk about it in, maybe there will be another analysis, but what I hear... Because I told you, I realized that, I was 30 years old, I was thinking, but...

Starting point is 00:28:32 In fact, I've always adapted, where... You know, at one point, I needed others, and there are some who didn't come to me. I was thinking, it's funny, I was always there, I always adapted. And at one point, I was thinking, but have I already confirmed myself? Have I really already named things? Did you get used to it, the over-adaptation? No, but it was time I realized it. You understand, because sometimes it's hard.

Starting point is 00:28:54 You know, you're a little frustrated. Yeah. You say, that's not what I would have done, finally. Yeah. Well, hence the anger too. Yeah. The secret of over-adaptation, I had exactly that. And I still find myself today in situations in which I wouldn't have been there. I would have gotten over it, but it's for pleasure, and I adapt to the other.

Starting point is 00:29:14 And to please. If I said yes or I said the good thing, you will please. Sometimes in a conversation, but in a debate, sometimes if it doesn't necessarily touch my values, I'll put myself on your side. We will avoid that. But what it does, I think that anger can come from that too. Because it's like enduring all the little frustrations of it's not what I would have done, it's not what I would have said, it's not what I would have eaten, it's not where I would have been. You know, it's that at some point, there's no room for where would I have gone, what would I have eaten.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah. Because your anger, did you make it feel to others or was it an anger that was inside? Very inside, and it has always been my close guard who lived the tropes. So you're my partner of the time, you're my best friend. My family, you know, it happened to me. I was shocked quickly for small asses of nannies sometimes,

Starting point is 00:29:59 but it was like the accumulation of everything. And then after 10 minutes, you're like, oh my, I went too far, I'm sorry, but I'm also a bit stubborn, so I didn't assume it right away. And it's the level of maturity too, I would tell you that since the end of my 20th year, it doesn't happen anymore because I assert myself more and more, I assume myself 100%, and I'm also more mature as I used to be, I can't speak and avoid... The overflowing anger.

Starting point is 00:30:26 The overflowing anger and the anger that comes too fast. But yes, I've had that a lot. I even asked myself if I had a TSA, a lute spectrum disorder, because I was like, a plan that's going to change in the last second. I'm coming, it's boiling in me, unexpected changes, unexpected things. I was boiling. I was like, I'm going to change, I last second. I come there, it's boiling in me, unexpected changes, unexpected things, I was boiling.

Starting point is 00:30:49 I was like, I think it's a trait of autistic people, you know? So I said, maybe I know it. And finally, no, it's not. It was really like a... It was more emotional, more psychological, you know? It was really the... the over-adaptation, as you say, the fact of living in the secrets. Hey, the secretive drag for six years, that was heavy.

Starting point is 00:31:09 And it's a lot of denial and evidences that I was doing. I didn't want to face that. And that's a kind of heaviness that stays for so long and that spits out all the rest of your life around. And yet, you know, the drag, there's something joyful, entertaining, of... It was exult... It's an exult, something like that. It was very exutory, it exulted you. It exulted you. Yes, it was very exutational. I think we'll say that's my understanding.

Starting point is 00:31:31 But it exulted you through that. There was that, but as soon as you got out of the mud, I had all the time. And every time, suddenly it's his social networks, and when someone sees him in the family, they don't know, they'll connect you with my voice, they'll connect you with my face. Suddenly, and you know, I remember,

Starting point is 00:31:49 I had done a show of Maddow, just for laughing. It was a long time ago, it was the Maddow, Guy of Talent, I think. It was a show of variators, it was invited, but we were four drags, who were the judges, and we gave notes to each number, and we talked. But that was broadcast, there were interviews too. I remember, I think it was TVA who came to film and who was like, oh, we were there. And I remember, I said what?

Starting point is 00:32:12 I didn't know if it was going to happen in the topo, but I said a sentence, I was like, suddenly they recognize my voice, they don't know. So you see, that control had quickly become stressful for me. But in your anxiety, what did you imagine at that moment that could have happened to your loved ones? That would have discovered you? I don't know. I imagined catastrophic scenarios of a blow that they don't agree with and that they make me moral and tell me it's not right. Sometimes I would talk to myself. After a couple of days, I was like, no, it's not their fault. But suddenly, they fight and they are sad or angry because I didn't tell them.

Starting point is 00:32:49 Then they're afraid that there are even more secrets behind it, whereas no, I'm telling the truth. I was afraid of the conversation, I was afraid to admit. When you told them about this second coming out, how did you feel? Oh my God, so good. We got it. You didn't think about anything, you were doing a show. It was over the next week. Social media, so much better.

Starting point is 00:33:12 I really invested in this job, and I invested more in not living it in secret. I started to put the balls in, to consider it more seriously, less like a hobby. They came to my show the following week. He was sitting in front, he was screaming, he was laughing, he had fun. We said, ah, that's cool! And they started looking at everything I was doing. And it was my biggest fans at that time, we were into it. And I became someone else, literally.

Starting point is 00:33:38 I became like, phew, no more shoulders, and everything was fun. And that was the best thing. After that day, I had no secrets from my parents. There was no more secrets. It calmed your anger. Oh, Christ, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Because anger is not good. It's normal to have anger, but a hard anger,

Starting point is 00:33:56 I mean physically, it's not good to be angry. You're creating cancers. I think it's cortisol that causes inflammation in your system. It's not easy. It's simple and then, yes, the cancer is a normal emotion. So it's going to change your choleric side. Oh, Christ, yes, but there's no more tropeline. If something pisses me off, I'll approach it differently, I'll name it differently.

Starting point is 00:34:21 You don't make it feel like, or at an inappropriate moment. That's what makes it a camouflage anger. It explodes, but people wonder what happened. Have you ever seen the looks of your loved ones after an anger crime? I think I would have made them afraid. No, fear, no. It was never physical, it was never... But I mean, in your eyes...

Starting point is 00:34:42 In my words, in how I was angry. Not scared, but a little like, « Ah, go there, it's heavy. » It was more disappointing. « Oh, what's his problem? » « Yeah, yeah, what's your problem? » And that makes me even more angry. Can you talk about it?

Starting point is 00:35:00 Oh, wow, it makes me even more angry. When you realize that you're heavy and that it's a lie, as a dumb person, you keep going. You keep your mouth shut. You're going to be right. If someone wanted to talk about it,

Starting point is 00:35:12 it's not going to work. Yeah, exactly. Well, my uncle, I remember my uncle, sorry, but my uncle Pat, who is the twin of my mother's sister, when I was young, 14, 15 years old, I knew I was gay, all that.

Starting point is 00:35:23 He knew. My defense mechanism, it's always been humor. We roast and everything, and he roasts me, 14, 15 years old, I knew I was gay. He knew it. And my defense mechanism has always been humor. So we roast and everything, and he roasts me and roasts me. And I hated that uncle because he was too green. He knew exactly who I was without me telling anyone. So I remember I licked him, he made me grind, he made me break ribs. When we went home, I was grinding.

Starting point is 00:35:42 I don't like it, Pat. Today, he's one of my best men. But when I was young, well, we laugh. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk.

Starting point is 00:35:51 I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk.

Starting point is 00:35:59 I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. I was a little bit of a jerk. He said, we had fun, you were a guy who made jokes, you understood the jokes I made, and it was for your own good, at the same time, to say it's okay, all that, and maybe you would have unlocked it, but I was so, so blocked out everywhere that I kept it to myself and I let it die, and that's it.

Starting point is 00:36:17 From 18, well, you know, 17, 18, when you start to be more mature, to be a young adult, and then at 20 and all that, we became very, very close, but he said, when you were young, I felt that you didn't love me. And he, it made him laugh too, that's it. There's that bad thing about it, but he loved it. Okay, today, the soup is done. Okay, we have today from the house to him, and a kilo of reno to her. Well, I'm going to weigh them on this piton. I weighed it and it exploded. It was good, Paris. You remember, it's been a laugh, it would explode. It was a good bet.

Starting point is 00:36:45 You remember. And then you laugh. It's good. Yes, yes, yes. We all age. The question I'm going to ask you is, where do you feel like you have all your money? I don't know. At home. At home, with my chum à la maison, plein de possession de mes moyens. C'est là que je suis bê, parce qu'il n'y a pas de stress, il n'y a pas d'autre monde qui te regarde, il n'y a pas de danger de comment je parais, gnignignigné. Si je suis chez nous, je suis vraiment... pis tu vois, toutes mes béquilles tombent quand je suis chez nous.

Starting point is 00:37:20 Quand tu ouvres la porte de ta maison. Pis je rentre, toutes mes béquilles tombent. Tu sais, chez nous, je bois pas. J'ai quelqu'un qui boit, moi, dans la vie. Toujours un petit verre de I go home, all my glasses fall. You know, at home, I don't drink. I'm someone who drinks in life. Always a little glass of wine in the morning, I'm fine. If we have a nice dinner, my chum, then I'm going to open a bottle of wine. But at home, I don't drink. At the job, everywhere, all the time.

Starting point is 00:37:35 I have a glass not far away, I drink a glass all the time. It's the same, I'm fine. It relaxes me, it calms my general stress a little bit. So you know, I drink all the time. The cigarette, it's a big smoke. But at home, I don't have a I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke.

Starting point is 00:37:54 I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't have anything. I don't smoke. I don't have to take the car out. If, let's say, at 4 p.m., I wouldn't smoke and I wouldn't be at home. You don't think about it. I don't think about it. As soon as I leave our house, I'll light one, go do my work, go to work.

Starting point is 00:38:15 I like smoking. It relaxes me. It's not okay. I don't smoke with everyone, but I like it. It looks like it's something to do. It's also a reason why we're out, to go out once in a while. I take my messages, I go back. I think I'll answer at home because I'm in full possession of my means, but my bank accounts aren't there when I'm at home. It's quite impressive what you just said. Because nicotine, people in movies have some misery, it creates a dependency. It's an addictive drug.

Starting point is 00:38:47 It's one of the most addictive drugs that exists, nicotine. So you, it's like your house is compensated. I don't have an addictive temperament at the base. That's probably it. You know, already that, but I think if I was to stop smoking, it would be difficult because I still have nicotine in me and this need comes out as soon as I'm not at home. I have to be on the same level, but it's weird. I would have said, it's easy to say, it's obvious. My name looks confident, it's easy, but it's obvious.

Starting point is 00:39:17 I'm not in full possession of my means. It's not me who decides if the public finds it funny or not. It's not me who decides if someone will be shocked or not in the room. I don't know. So I'm not in. It's not me who decides if someone will be shocked or not in the room. I don't know. So I'm not in full possession of my means because I always have that in my head. I'm performing, I work, thinking all the time. So, you know, that's it. And in a bar with friends, you know, in a bar with my friends who went to Indoliz in the region.

Starting point is 00:39:41 And we take a glass and we play pool. Between two shows. And then people are looking at me. And then, OK, they look at me, they recognize me. Or is it people who are breaking the drag? Are they going to kill me in the parking lot? Are they going to open up my hands? I'm not in full possession of my means.

Starting point is 00:39:58 I'm thinking about a thousand things at the same time. So at home, there's so much nothing that you don't even need to smoke. It's crazy. There's still a social pressure to stop smoking. It exists. Do you feel the look of others when you smoke? Does it exist? I'm not judging you. It's just that when I was young, almost everyone smoked. It changed so much. My father smoked in the car, he smoked everywhere.

Starting point is 00:40:25 He stopped smoking, he wasn't able to smell a cigarette anymore. I understand. But I think that changed so much in society. Yes. No, but I don't feel it. I don't feel it. The world knows it anyway. I'm surrounded by quite a few smokers, and quite a few non-smokers too, but in the artistic world, I think... It's okay. It's okay. They don't care, but no, artistic world, I think... It's okay. It's okay. They don't care, but no, I don't feel it.

Starting point is 00:40:49 So your house surpasses the nicotine. I'm well at home. I'm pretty wild. That's what's crazy. I love the world, but I'm also very wild. I'm keeping the house. At 8 p.m., if my friends don't call me, we have nothing to do, we have nothing planned, or my family, or I'm at home. I do my tasks. I think, if we could change the decoration, I'll do my Costco.

Starting point is 00:41:13 I like that. That's weird because I'm not at home, but Costco is so free for all that everyone is in their head, in their head. Are you the kind of person who knows what's in each one of the shelves? No. I do yours and I look at everything. They change often. I know, but there are up and I'll look after everything. They change a lot. I know, but some of them go straight to the pub. Red alert, cheese crips are from a restaurant, those are little cracklings. I love Asiago. They didn't have any in my Costco for a year.

Starting point is 00:41:34 It's back, I bought 12 bags. It's all in our savings. Try this. Always stretch. That's it, I can be at home and see no one, my cat, my dog, and I'm fine. But that's so important, what you just said. To be good at home.

Starting point is 00:41:50 You open the door at home, and it's goodwill that invades you. Yes, yes, yes. I think it's a quest, for those who don't have it, it's still... I've always said to myself, in my life, I'm going to be good when I open the door to my house.

Starting point is 00:42:04 And if you're not good at opening doors at home, and you're not good at your house, what's the element that makes you I've always said to myself, in my life, I'm going to be fine when I open the door to my house. If you're not fine when you open the door to your house and you're not fine in your house, what is the element that finds you? Because it's not the only place of peace in life, but your home is your home, it's your home. So if there's a disturbing element, you find it and you clear it out. It can be joint, sometimes it's flat. It's flat, but there are signals. There are signals, you clear it up, it can be the problem.

Starting point is 00:42:30 I had an apartment on Saint-Denis street a long time ago. It was a one and a half, it was really not beautiful. It was a half underground, but it wasn't that big. But when you go in, it's telling you how I liked to get into my apartment. When I think about it, it was more like my cocoon. That's why I think we can't judge a place by how we live it. What does it make us feel? What does it represent? The cocoon aspect is very good. If your sleep is important,

Starting point is 00:42:57 it's good at home. I stay exactly in the same... I'm playing a duplex. Up there is my A, down there is me. Up there is my office, all that. There are suits racks. I swear. Upstairs is my A, downstairs is my B. No, but it's suits racks, accessories, wigs.

Starting point is 00:43:13 It takes up space. Yes, yes, that's it. But before, my bed was in a double room. And the other part of the room was made of furniture, it was like a walk-in. I wasn't feeling well. Since we moved downstairs, we took the small room in the back and made our bedroom there. And since then, I've been feeling well. Marie-Christine Lavoie taught me that.

Starting point is 00:43:37 She works on the psychology of interior design. Your room has to be small. If your room is huge, make false walls and closets around your bed, you need to sleep in a little cocoon. The word cocoon is fucking important and that's how you're going to be fine. You wake up in the morning and you're like, wow! Otherwise, there's too much information. Too much stuff, too much space, it looks like you're not sleeping well.

Starting point is 00:43:59 I don't know the bottom of all this, but Marie-Christine did it. But it's very interesting. Yes, do it, for Yes, it changed a life. It changed your life too. Yes, and since my new life as a comedian, we're more used to decorating our taste. We still had old friends we had since our first apartments, my husband and me.

Starting point is 00:44:20 We gave it all on a basis. We built a house, an apartment that we like, that we feel like, and we're fine. We gave everything on a It's almost like cement, concrete, but it's oil. But the decoration, yes. We're very mid-century, and old stuff that's dying, but the carpets, the decorations, yes, it's colorful. It's colorful, we really like wood. Brown, we like brown! But there are a lot of elements of colorful decorations, prints, paintings, things like that.

Starting point is 00:45:01 How long have you been with your job? Uh-oh, he's going to get me. It's been four years. Yes, it's going to do anything like that. How long have you been with your chum? Uh oh, he's going to get mad. It's been four years. Yes, it's going to be five this summer. Is it your longest relationship? No, I have a six-year-old relationship. Yes. So it's a long relationship, it's all young?

Starting point is 00:45:18 Yes, I was very young at the time, and it was my first chum, it was my first relationship, and I stayed in there too long. Nothing hurt. Me neither, but we didn't fight. We didn't fight psychologically, sexually even. My God, we're in the prime of our age, we're in our sexual prime. We never fought, who knows what. How come we're like a couple of 73 years old who just paid for the house, went on retirement, and...

Starting point is 00:45:44 It's free judgment. I'm not saying that about couples 113 years old in general, but we were like an old couple who no longer touch each other. Who had gone through that step of the kind of passion, of the fougue. We had two weeks of passion. After that, we had five years and fifty weeks of non-passion. And we were fighting over the show, we didn't have the same interests.

Starting point is 00:46:03 What made you at one at some point it was over? I had grieved, even though it wasn't right on my part. I should have named him right away, but it was still in the time when my anxiety, my reminiscence, my denial was very strong. But I had already grieved about that relationship, and I think we stayed. I stayed, I didn't name it because financially it worked. We were like good co-locs too. The two of us worked as best we could. It was difficult.

Starting point is 00:46:32 And what made it not work one year is that we were fighting so often. We were fighting. Everything was a source of fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, of bad atmosphere, of heaviness. And one day I did... He doesn't feel it in the couple. And he said to me, I remember, he said, well, my parents sometimes they fight, and it's normal, he feels it. I said, it's true, you're right. And one day I said,

Starting point is 00:46:52 yeah, but we're shenanigans, but I don't think I like you. I don't like you anymore. I liked what we were at the beginning, but now I don't like you anymore. Well, one day the mourning was done, and a couple of months later I said, hey, excuse me, we have to talk about it, but it's over. It doesn't work. It's not pleasant.

Starting point is 00:47:09 It was toxic for both of us. And I know that the word toxic scares, but it was toxic. We weren't happy, and we went home, we were unhappy. We weren't well together. Everything was a source of conflict. We communicated very badly. We weren't able to get together on the same level to communicate properly. I said, no, it's over, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:47:30 It wasn't long after that that I met my boyfriend. Like, a month. Did you know that quickly? My boyfriend or my girlfriend? Yes, but I didn't do anything. It was Phil who came to pick me, but I didn't do anything. Phil came to pick me up. I didn't do that. Getting a boyfriend is fun.

Starting point is 00:47:50 I don't do that often. I know that people know that I'm in a relationship, but if I'm in a bar and you tell me to get a boyfriend, I won't do anything. I just get a boyfriend. I still got it. I still got it. But Phil, I knew it 100%.

Starting point is 00:48:03 We met in the middle of a pandemic. I was working at the SAC at the time. And in the dark room, there was no more time. Because we needed less people. It was open again, but less time, all that. They transferred me to SAC.com at the warehouse, which all the employees... Instead of serving customers and placing their tablets,

Starting point is 00:48:20 you have the orders online, you have your little chairlift in the same place, but it's like the pallets are in the back. You walk around in a large warehouse and you fill the customers' boxes. And my chum was hired at the same time I transferred because his job was closed. He worked in a bookstore and he wanted money during the pandemic. He had nothing else to do, so he took a three-month contract there. And we're the only two guys. It's so crazy. No, it's not true, there was another one.

Starting point is 00:48:44 We weren't only two guys, it's so crazy. No, it's not true, there was another one. We weren't just two. We were the only two guys in the number of days we were in a large warehouse with hundreds of people and we spotted each other. One year, I was like, it looks like I'm going to sit on this side. And it's vulgar, but he also had the same feeling. I feel like I've been in your show for two seconds.. He had the same feeling, but I didn't do anything. I just broke up.

Starting point is 00:49:09 We hadn't found each other a new apartment yet. It wasn't all a mess with my ex. And after the chiffs, it was the pandemic, there was nothing to do, but the parking was big. So after the chiffs, we went to a park sometimes with other people we worked with there. Because we were having fun during the day. We were in a park with other people we worked with. We were having fun during the day. We were in a park where we were having a Pepsi, a wine or a beer.

Starting point is 00:49:30 We were having fun together. He didn't want to have fun. He started to mick me. I felt his nose, but I didn't do anything. But my nose was too good. I tried to resist, but it was too good. We were having a lot of fun. and it wasn't long since we did... a thousand times, you know.

Starting point is 00:49:49 We're good, right? We stayed the same. And until New Order, it hasn't changed. So I'm good with it. I discovered, it was like, ah, that's it, he's in a relationship. I lost six years of... Where you learned to recognize. You're right.

Starting point is 00:50:05 You know, in the end, it's part of your story, and you know it, but the chance to find yourself is a chance that we all have, of Jean-Pierre Farland. It's a bit like that. Sometimes it's other experiences that say, OK, that's precious. Yeah, but I could have, you know, that six years that has gone by, I've lived through some great things with it, I loved it all, but you know,

Starting point is 00:50:23 we could have just been friends more. I could have had a phase of good things with me, I loved it all, but... You know, we could have just been friends more. I could have had a phase 8 during that time. Yeah, but you said it earlier, you have a great capacity for adaptation. Yes. So sometimes it's harder to name discomfort. You're right. You adapted. Yeah, that's true.

Starting point is 00:50:41 You're crazy. But you're right, I didn't catch that. It's by coming here that you realize it. But yeah, that's why. And it's not a lost 6 years, you're right. It served me right. But it serves you right, you don't want to live it anymore. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:50:57 You've learned it when you were young. And at the same time, you don't get out of it too easily. There are relationships, people get out of it easily. And at the same time, maybe you'll have known your chum faster. Yeah. And what's crazy is that the second of this relationship stopped. My ex and I, we both started to... to flourish, really, to become the people we are today and to grow. So, you know, for both of us, it was beneficial.

Starting point is 00:51:22 I think it wasn't cool on the spot, it wasn't easy, but... You know, he's also... I look at him today, I'm like, well, he's in his place, he's in his place. You know, it could have lasted 10 years too. In fact, 6 years, maybe, is reasonable. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You know, it's top of your financial game. Rise to it with the BMO Eclipse Rise Visa Card. The credit card that rewards your good financial habits.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Earn points for paying your credit card bill in full and on time every month. Level up from bill payer to reward slayer. Terms and conditions apply. Yellow level. Okay. We're getting more specific. You're going to give me four yellow cards. I was going to say four yellow cards.

Starting point is 00:52:08 Say it ten times in a row. No, not ten times, twice. I'm already happy. Here, this one, and this one, and this one. Here, first question, yellow. What didn't you receive from your parents and what did you miss? At what point did you have to stand up? At what point in your life would you have wished time would stop? What type of lover are you?

Starting point is 00:52:29 Hmm. You choose one and I'll choose one at that level. Uh... It's special, I don't know. But that's a specific moment? Yes. A moment in your life where you said, I would have stayed there, you know, it's like a moment of grace sometimes. And at the same time, there are some who came out of the moment before a catastrophe almost.

Starting point is 00:52:56 If I had said it would stop there and not live the rest. I understand. Well, I'm going to go with the moment of my life where I would have wished that time would stop, let's say. And it's going to be super flat, but it would be like the year past. Okay, tell us, tell us. I've never been so happy all my life since I got on my ex and I found myself. And I know what I'm doing in life, what I want to do. I've always been, well, not really unhappy, but...

Starting point is 00:53:26 You know, before, I was doing, let's say, drag last night. I had a day job, but I wasn't doing well in my day jobs. I wasn't happy. And when I'm unhappy, I tend to not be happy. It's the same thing. What I just said is very intelligent. I was a little... No, but I wasn't happy, and it made me feel like I was someone... You know, someone who is in a depressive state, but not a depression. When you're... Because you know, in a way, what you would like.

Starting point is 00:53:50 I wanted more. You wanted more, but you didn't have it, so... Without naming it, without doing anything, I was very sure. I would do my numbers, I would take care of it, I would have a show on my back or not. I would go home and I would do nothing. I wouldn't accomplish anything. I would just be present when I had to be present. And I was flat. I was... you know, someone who is...

Starting point is 00:54:12 Sometimes people say you're not good, but you're good looking, you're good at your shit. Except you, you're a little shit. I did nothing. I was not... I've never been someone who is very... how do you call it?... very... Taking the lead? Yes, ambition. I didn't have that. That was it. I was unhappy. I didn't realize it, but I didn't have ambition. That was life. I didn't like that. It was flat.

Starting point is 00:54:38 Since I started stand-up, drag helped me understand who I was, at the Cabaret Mado, but the humor really made me go, oh, oh, ah, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I've never worked as much as I have in my life. I was sick twice a week at the collective convention. You made sure that if you were sick twice a week, you didn't have to prove yourself. I was getting in trouble financially too. I didn't pay you either.

Starting point is 00:55:14 No, and things that I canceled, I wasn't ambitious, I was very lazy and very... a little unhappy. And with humor, that's what I started working on. My manager Christine Blais, who I love, who is the best person on earth, she taught me a lot too. She still teaches me today how to manage a quarry.

Starting point is 00:55:34 She tells me why we do this, why that. I think it's true. She helps me too. She says, what do you want to do? What's next? What's the next thing you want to accomplish? I'm like, maybe this, this, this. Ah, well, to try to get there, call that person, do that. At that time, I work, sometimes I do 16 days a week. And not just one thing a day, sometimes two, three, four,

Starting point is 00:55:53 handbag, handbag. I work like a bull, like I've never worked, and I don't feel tired. You're passionate. And it's a privilege. It's like if you didn't have a passion before. Like, I had a little shirt on, and my best friend, Virginie, could tell you, we had a drink, we were drinking, but we had a drink in the hotel rooms, in the same place. But Virginie, who is my writer, who works in the same place as me, is my best friend since I was 14, 15 years old. You know, in high school, we saw each other every night. We almost saw each other every day. You know, today, with our jobs, we see each other less.

Starting point is 00:56:26 But we talk to each other once a day on FaceTime, at least, sometimes more. In two, three minutes, what are you doing? Okay, and your day is perfect. We're always together. Well, not physically together, but... No, but I understand. ... always in touch.

Starting point is 00:56:38 And if we have time, we'll probably go have dinner, find out the rest, we'll talk. It's like being in a relationship. It'sest une amseur là, tu sais. On a vraiment cliqué, c'est un deux pièces de Lego. Quand dans la pandémie, j'ai vu les auditions du prochain stand-up, j'appelle Virg, j'ai vu passer ça sur Facebook, je pense que je vais m'inscrire. Je vais essayer de faire du stand-up.

Starting point is 00:56:59 C'était un rêve de ticu que j'avais à l'humour, mais que j'ai jamais cru possible. Puis je me rappelle, elle a torsé le téléphone, elle hurlait. I had the sense of humour but I never thought it was possible. I remember she was holding the phone and screaming, Yes, you're a fucking great kid! She was like, yes, but... She was teaching theatre and she was writing in the game magazine. She said, since I wrote some articles, it helped me with your text structure because I had dropped out of school a long time ago. It's perfect, OK, and we started the stand-up

Starting point is 00:57:22 and quickly, my career started to take off. It was this year. At the moment, it's been three and a half years since I've been doing comedy. It's crazy. Everything I did after that was very fast. I remember she was so happy for me. She helped me, she supported me. I didn't have a chance. I started poor like a beggar.

Starting point is 00:57:40 I had to quit my job at SOQ because I didn't have time to do shows, to write, to do meetings, all that. But I wasn't paid very much yet, and she was lifting me everywhere. She followed me to my company, we worked our texts together, and she was so happy for me. She said, your candle lit up the day you had the next stand-up auditions. When I was counting my money, she said, I was so happy, and I'm happy for you, and she was happy too.

Starting point is 00:58:01 This woman didn't assume herself before, she was someone who didn't trust her since she wrote in humor, when she worked in that field. In red, FM, she wrote among others all that. It's a beautiful woman, grandiose, who assumes herself. So, both of our candles lit up. You see, lit up. Yes, she was more positive of nature, for example.

Starting point is 00:58:18 You, you're more negative of nature. Really, really. You, your glass is more half empty. All the time. Oh yeah, so is that an internal struggle? Yes. It's the too much anxious that I have to manage. It's really less worse than two years ago, I would say. And in two years, it's going to be worse than today.

Starting point is 00:58:36 And for your chum, is that hard? It was at the beginning, but since we put a word on it and I'm controlling it, and I take medication that helps me a lot not to spin and go for real, it's less hard. And it's Leo at the beginning who said to me, it looks like you're getting anxious. He does a little bit of it and it looks like you're getting anxious. I was like, no, I'm not sure what to say.

Starting point is 00:58:57 It's not that. No, no, it's because it hurts and that, that, that. And since I put a word on it, you were like... I told you. You know, the famous I told you. It's good, I let it you, the famous one. It's really Gilles. But I was more negative, so she's really like your candle. But you know it's your tendency, right? Yes, it's my tendency, that's it.

Starting point is 00:59:12 I'm going to work on it. And at the same time, I think it's good what you say, because once you've gone to the end of your passion, you've assumed it too, this passion, taking the lead in your own life. It changes your vision, it changes your energy, it's the north. It's the north. You assumed that passion by taking the lead in your own life. It changes your vision, it changes your energy, it's enormous, the impact.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Because it's like you describe two different people. Well, and all my friends, my parents will also say it. Would you have thought that four years ago, five years ago, when you worked at Assa, would you have thought that you would be there today? No. And they don't talk about money, they talk about the person you are and how you are. I understand your show more when you talk about it. Because when you start, it's beautiful, it's touching, when you say, I can't come back. I went to see you at the Ascension, the room was full of people from all ages,

Starting point is 00:59:59 people who embarked on your trash. I mean, you go far in the show, you know, for sensitive ears, sometimes it could be destabilizing, but I didn't feel it in the room. And you often come back with this pride to walk around Quebec and fill rooms. I don't come back. I don't want people...

Starting point is 01:00:18 It's beautiful to say it, I think. Yes, and if I'm my ex and I'm happy and I found myself, it's because people have embarked, because it's a job that depends exclusively on the public. And they're there, and I owe them that. And it's a privilege we make in life. But you love the public.

Starting point is 01:00:32 The media, yes. That's, you know, I told you at the beginning of the game, when I saw you earlier, when you arrived, there are some who have misery to cross this line. Even if the public is in the room, it's like there was a wall that's hard. Yeah. In your case, you immediately arrive at the audience and the audience answers you.

Starting point is 01:00:49 You're talking to the world, squarely. Yes, yes, we're really on the opposite side of the theater. There's not an invisible wall between the show and the audience. No, no, that's it. You're part of it, you're part of the family. Now you're drinking a glass of white wine, go for it. And that's it. And sometimes there's people who don't want it, so we stop.

Starting point is 01:01:02 That's okay, I feel it right away. Because you feel it. Yes, I like the audience, I like the world, and I like the connection it makes. I think it's a key to your success. Your talent, yes. But the exchange with the audience, it's not done alone. Humor, it's not done alone. There's nothing that's done alone on stage.

Starting point is 01:01:20 But I think that's natural. I'm someone who's very familiar. I like that, I dare to go out into the world. Sometimes people are destabilized, but I meet someone at the grocery store who says, hi, it's you, my man. And I say, yes, what's your name? Hello. And I ask questions about his life, and I dare to go out for a half hour

Starting point is 01:01:39 in the grocery store. I like that, and I owe the job I do, so I like to know who you are, how it feels that I have a privilege as big because of you. I'm close to the world, I like it. Could Alexandre do the same show as Mona? Well no, he could be next Alexandre. The character is a lot about the drag. We expect the drag to be beachy, roaster roastery, to be a little crass. We expect that from a drag.

Starting point is 01:02:07 From Alexandre, no. Give me the definition of a drag. There's not one definition. Everyone can make drag. It can be drag king, a little bit of sir, fantasy, it can be queen, a little bit of madame, fantasy, it can be creature. There's no proper definition. It's an art in which you create your own pattern, your own universe. But a drag, in my case, what the Americans call comedy queens,

Starting point is 01:02:33 comic drags, not necessarily pretty. It's not glam, my business. It's not fashion shows, it's not big costumes, make-up, all that stuff. It's more crass, it's more rustic, it's more matting. I would say that's the definition. It's a bit like we expect it to be funny. This drag will make us laugh, this drag will make people laugh, it will roast.

Starting point is 01:02:54 It will be crass, a bit vulgar. We expect that. We don't expect a drag like me to start doing splits everywhere. To look sexy. We don't expect that. We don't expect her to start to pitch, dance, and take off her dress and put on another one. And you don't do lip-sync on...

Starting point is 01:03:12 No, I did, but... You've already done it at the Nando club, I imagine. Yes, exactly. But it wasn't like, look how I look like Lady Gaga, and I'm beautiful like her. You don't do personification? No, zero.

Starting point is 01:03:22 I did concept numbers, and then I did niaiseux, and I was just going to spice up the niaiseux show through personifiers or power drags. I call them power drags, but they don't do personification, but they do tunes, they dance, they're talented and they're beautiful. That's a power drag, but I'm a funner. It's good to see your show, it's coming out of what we're used to seeing. I didn't see it in a show room, but I felt like I was in a cabaret.

Starting point is 01:03:49 There's a bit of that, yes. I liked that feeling, it looked like it was a big release. But sometimes I was like, OK, people are coming, wow! I was proud of the audience. Yes, they're fun, and I often say it at the end of things, I say realize, I asked ages to everyone, the extremes of age, I asked your orientations, it applauded every little question. Do you understand the variety of people who are there at night who laugh at the same things, who understand the same things? It's crazy, always a majority of straight people in the region and everything.

Starting point is 01:04:17 And they laugh at the same things as the lesbian over there, the non-binary. It's good to... It's not great. Because you know, we're still in a period, and we'll talk about it at the beginning, before we start, where there are teams... It's like we're separated in a little bit in the boxes. It's important to identify yourself clearly. But I like it when we're all together in the same place. We'll get to that one day.

Starting point is 01:04:41 When we're all together and we laugh at the same things, we all have common points. Exactly. Often, we highlight the differences, but I like to highlight what's common. I talk about the differences, I laugh a lot in this show, but I think I bring that back. We're all the same person with the same primary needs. It's not a political show where I hit you in the head,

Starting point is 01:05:03 it's more of a, You're laughing at my jokes. I had... where was it? It was in Alma, I think. Was it in Alma? Or was it in Dolbo? No, it was in Alma. A truck driver. In quarantine with his wife, you know, who was there. He was the one I was talking to all along. And he was laughing and screaming, he understood everything. And at the end of the day, that's what they do.

Starting point is 01:05:23 It's crazy. I understood new things, but without feeling it was happening. It's not moralizing. No, and a truck driver in quarantine who laughs the same thing as Mona de Grenoble, well, a fantasy dresser who talks about his community. I think that's the most beautiful thing. It's crazy.

Starting point is 01:05:41 But why did we end up there, my dear? Well, it was at what time, when you see time to stop, you said it was last year. The last two or three years. And I want to, you know, I work a lot to keep it going, I think. And it's the thing... To keep it going in this area. Well, in this area, not to work as much or less, or to be known or not known, to be known, I don't care about talent.

Starting point is 01:06:02 There are people who follow me. It has a secondary effect. It has a secondary effect, but There are people who follow me. It's a secondary effect. It's a secondary effect, but there are people who follow me. If they follow me until the end of my days in the rooms, I'll laugh. It's going to be the most beautiful thing ever. Quebecers are attached. And I'm attached a lot too.

Starting point is 01:06:16 Yes, it's a... I find that we are really a beautiful society. Yes, yes, yes. I'm going to ask you, you talked about your job, but I'm still curious to know what type of lover are you? It depends on the seasons, I think. I'm a lover. First answer like that, it depends. You're a season lover. In the summer, I'm a distant lover at night. I don't touch my aunt at the chauquerie. No, but I'm a lover. I think it's variable. We often talk about the languages of love. Did you hear about that?

Starting point is 01:06:45 The five languages of love. There are five. You have the touch, you have the gifts. After that, there are some that will make... Compliments. Yes, there are some that will make service. Service made and the moment of quality. Yes, exactly.

Starting point is 01:06:58 It varies. Because I don't have a steady schedule. So I would tell you, quality time for my boyfriend at the moment, sometimes it's a challenge because I'm going to spend two weeks working like crazy and we don't have a steady schedule. So I would say quality time for my husband right now, sometimes it's a challenge because I'm going to spend two weeks working like crazy and we don't have time to go to the restaurant where you're going to have a date. And I feel that sometimes it's flat. But in those moments, I'm going to be more in the service rendered. Compliments, compliments are all the time.

Starting point is 01:07:21 My husband sometimes is like, bossy, I'm like, oh you're beautiful. You're so beautiful, I'm so happy. But you know, I'm going to be more service rendered. Like, hey, I was working, you know, but he was at school, let's say, very early. And I had the whole house, where I did business, where I did a paid job. Service rendered, because we can't spend quality time. After that, if I have time to enjoy it with his schedule,

Starting point is 01:07:45 then it will be quality time. We will have small dates and all that. Touching him is all the time. I think I'm a little more sexier than him, but I follow his rhythm. But touching him a lot, we are very affectionate, very kissy, we are always together. We are like difficult to separate. So you know, I vary the intensities of these languages of love. So, you know, I'm a little bit in all of this, but I'm a chum. I'm a chum, I'm a less involved lover than I was, but always as much involved emotionally.

Starting point is 01:08:16 Very faithful too. Less involved because of time. But you're involved in that relationship. Yes, yes, that's what I value the most. What I do in life, and the privilege it brings, is also to build a house with him, to build a life of home with him. I'm going to say family life, but I don't think we're going to have children.

Starting point is 01:08:38 That's your name. Well, I'm starting to have a soft spot. I don't think I'll manage that, but not now. I should work less. What makes it... I'm starting to have a soft spot. I don't think I would manage that, but not now. I should work less. What makes you feel that way? Is it because you have kids around you? I have friends who have kids.

Starting point is 01:08:53 My sister-in-law is expecting a child. She told us about it on Christmas. December 25, 2024. I was screaming, We have a baby! It's their time! We have a baby. We've never had one in a close family. My parents weren't grandparents. time! But we have a baby, we never had one in our family.

Starting point is 01:09:05 My parents weren't grandparents. My sister absolutely didn't have one, neither did I. My brother, with time, became a cistern to arrive, it will happen, but we didn't know that. So my parents had made a cross on being grandparents, and then they became, we were all fighting. Finally, you are grandparents, they fought. They fought just before us, they fought like wolves. So I find that crazy were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like,

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Starting point is 01:09:33 they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like,

Starting point is 01:09:41 they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like you know? And then they start wanting to... But it's crazy how fast the evolution is, I mean... Emotionally, physically, when you start seeing it, you realize that the baby sees from further away. And when he smiles at you and you're like, OK, it's my turn, it's not a erectus, it's not...

Starting point is 01:09:57 And you know, I like to say more about the phase when they're lit up. You know, I have a friend who has two 4 and 6 year old girls. They're smiling for their age. I remember, 4 and 6 or 6, you were like, they're funny, they're perfect. I call them my two little princesses. They're hilarious and so bright. They use sarcasm. Sometimes they listen to the conversation of the adults and they go, bravo, brilliant, I love them. I love to see a child who is well surrounded, who is happy, who is happy, who is happy, who is happy, who is happy, and they're like, bravo, brilliant, I'm going to kill them. I love them. I love seeing a child who's surrounded,

Starting point is 01:10:29 who's developing. So I have a soft spot and I think that the way I raised the family we have, I'll be a good father, but not with the time I have right now. And for your family, that child, who will come? Will it change anything? He'll be fine, he'll going to be a good boy. He's going to be a good boy at least.

Starting point is 01:10:47 Being my uncle is one of my dreams. It's going to be great. But the babies in my couple, we don't think about it. We're going to start by trying to access the property. Good luck, it's still difficult. Accessing the property. And the bed, the bed. It's something, for a first house, it's not easy.

Starting point is 01:11:07 I'll work more independently. Yeah, good chance. If I could arrange my flutes better when I was younger, I might have been able to do it by having a job steady. Well, you can't think that she's going to have a pandemic and that the houses, the real estate, will increase so much. I mean, it seems like it happened, no matter what we didn't see. It's like before, you wanted a house, you made purchase offers, you did... My daughter visited a house not long ago because she also, at the first house in La Rochelle, on Saturday and Sunday, she had 53 visits.

Starting point is 01:11:35 53 visits! Because I was curious, I'll go in front of the house she visited. There was really a line of cars waiting in front of the house. I was like, I was going to pass by the house she was going to visit. There was a line of cars waiting in front of the house. I was like, oh, let's go. We'll maybe build that. If I look at a land right now, I would like it to happen. It's maybe a sect, but we're building a family compound. Because in the Anodier, my sister and my parents bought like four big land that they divided in two.

Starting point is 01:12:05 And they each have their own house on it. My sister's parents' house and her partner's house are next door. But far away, but next door, in the woods. But in front, there are six land that are useless, that the lady's staff probably wants to give them as a legacy to her family and all that. But if one day the wind blows, my brother Pimont will be the first to buy and we'll fight in the face. Well, but your family is beautiful. We have fun, we love each other. If we hit each other, we say so.

Starting point is 01:12:27 It's regular. I like that. We're good. I would go in the ring and I would build myself. So, a little bit of a ring for now. Madam, if you're listening. Please. We're lucky.

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Starting point is 01:13:22 Perfect. You can go back to the day, oh my God, it's Viré-Rouge. It's Viré-Rouge,P dot com. Perfect. You can go as far as... Oh my God, it's so red. Yes, that's it. It's like we don't have a sound. So... Two? Three.

Starting point is 01:13:33 But you only answer one question in the red. What was the most difficult test to overcome? Do you have regrets? What profound needs does your love answer? That's the question from Janet Bertrand. She asks, which I find very beautiful. I wouldn't go with the test because... Because you don't have any? Is that it?

Starting point is 01:13:56 Well... you know, no. If you want, look... Where's the other question? Red? Look, we can even... I, because I didn't live it. We'll replace it. Yeah, in the sense that I had it easy until the end. With which deceased person would you like to share a meal? A deceased person you know, that you've met.

Starting point is 01:14:15 Grandmother Haussant. He gives her roses. We called her Grandmother Haussant because she married my grandfather, Jean-Paul Haussant, but Grandmother Haussant. And it also has to do with regrets. The end of her life, she died at 97, I think. She was in the centre, she always had her head in the sand. But the case didn't exist anymore.

Starting point is 01:14:35 She died when I was boarding in the young twenties. But I moved to Montreal at 18, 19, I was in Mont-Cominhant. I lived my teenage crisis that I hadn't had. I was less present for my family at that time. I lived, the drag was new, the men were new, I studied the arts, it was new. So I was less present, I saw my grandmother less, and I saw her once in 4 years and she died. And that was one of my greatest regrets, because,

Starting point is 01:15:06 seriously, in the 100s, a year in 1927, which is the same year as the first season of Time of Peace, by the way. The first season of Time of Peace took place in 1927. That's a detail I wanted to give you. But a year in 1927, in a row, in the most total rain, there was a geese jumping around the door of desh, there was a big sunken house around his door, snowing in it, he was shoring pure shoyars.

Starting point is 01:15:30 A difficult life, of colon. When we think of the times of a peace, of that time. That's what she was living. I understand. That was it. And you know, she was a woman of the countryside, she was a teacher in a row too. And she had everything to be a very conservative person, but it never was... It never was that, the high blood pressure.

Starting point is 01:15:50 It never was that, her either. She was an artist who played dry guitar, my grandfather played mouth music. She had one, and the details won't be clear, my father will correct me, but... A cousin or a brother, I think, who was surely homosexual at a time when you couldn't be. There was a woman with children, but he wasn't like the other gentlemen. And in situations, parties, family dinners, the gentlemen put him aside and said, we're not like the others, and my grandmother always defended him. And when I was young, I did a little theater.

Starting point is 01:16:19 I was very mannered, I've always been very mannered, but I did theater, I did art and everything. Grandmother in blood. An old lady told me, my Alexandre, you're my artist, and she told me the sentence, I was your ass, I'm only 7-8 years old, it stuck in my head. You know my Alexandre, you can be whoever you want. A woman who was born in 1927, you can be whoever you want. Not, you can do whatever you want in life. You can be who you want. It has always resonated with me.

Starting point is 01:16:47 My regret is not being able to repeat that sentence, to tattoo it and live in the secret for so long, because my mother-in-law wouldn't have been proud of me, to see me live the secret of the drag and everything. I would like to talk to her today. She says, Grandmother, I did it. I did it. I did it. Are you happy? Are you proud? Grand-maman, je l'ai faite. T'sais, j'ai réussi ça. Pis crie, je l'ai faite. T'sais, t'es-tu content? T'es-tu fier? J'aimerais tellement le faire jaser.

Starting point is 01:17:08 Pis il disait, je m'excuse aussi de pas être venu de visiter aussi souvent, t'sais, de 18 à 20. Est-ce que tu serais curieux aussi de savoir pourquoi elle t'a dit cette phrase-là? Qu'est-ce qu'elle voyait en toi? Oui, je serais curieux. Pis moi, en même temps, non, je veux pas le savoir. Je veux pas le savoir parce que moi, je me dis dans sa tête, elle l'a vue, j would be curious. And at the same time, no, I don't want to know. I don't want to know because I tell myself in her head, she saw who I was. You know, she knew I had something different. She saw that...

Starting point is 01:17:32 She saw it. She knew it and she told me that. But you could still get a tattoo. That's for sure. You know, it's a big... it's an important memory. It's the most beautiful thing to do. This person, it's the plier too. It's the most beautiful thing to do. This person is the best. It's a bond. We were still very close with my father's brothers and sisters, cousins, cousins, their children.

Starting point is 01:17:53 We would meet every time. Every twenty weeks we would meet at grandmother's house. She died, the children aged, we didn't do that anymore. But when we see each other, it's like we never left. We all gathered, or almost, for the 60th to my father recently. We joked, and it was like the childhood parties, the parties of the day after, the parties at grandmother's. Grandmother was the top of this pyramid, it was the glue pot that made her so well raised her children. In the openness, in the family, all that, that her children are all the same.

Starting point is 01:18:22 And their children are all the same, and we all agree on the same level, we all agree so well, you know. And it's Grandmother in Blood who did that. I don't know. She had a very strong human knowledge. Really bigger than nature. It's one of the things I'm most grateful for, it's Grandmother in Blood. And I remember my director of the universe, she liked John Denver, Grandmaman. She would often put me on that record on her turntable.

Starting point is 01:18:51 It was Take Me Home, Country Road. This year, there's a guy who makes me think of my father, I'm Gildas, the same personality, the same gags, and physically they look alike. France says, a man makes you think of your father who comes to sing a song that makes you think of your grandmother. And my father is beside me and the kids are like... Oh my God, we broke up.

Starting point is 01:19:10 It's something extremely important. And Beau, that's it. I regret a lot for missing the end of his life. It's... yeah. My big regret, but I would love to be with him. But you know, what you said as a period, I think that when we get to that age, I think we wonder how it feels to be away from our family.

Starting point is 01:19:31 It seems like we're getting away from our family. There are periods in life like that. It's special, it's funny. It's like another sphere that we discover and then we come back to our roots. It's like we need to go see elsewhere. Well, yeah, it happened to you at the same age too?

Starting point is 01:19:48 Yeah, sometimes I was there, it's because I was absent at that time. I don't have any memories of the end of my family even though I'm very close to my family. I thought it was my adolescence crisis because I was out of the kindergarten, I assumed more, so I thought I would live.

Starting point is 01:20:04 It's like the beginning of adult, I don't know if you have to identify with that, if you have to take off from this family life. And I remember when I came back, sometimes the family related things, I wasn't there, I wasn't going. Even at Christmas, I preferred to go to the families of my friends. I was like, what's wrong with me? what happened to me? But I don't know, I think there's a moment when we move away a little and then we come back, because she never left that woman. No, no, no, no. No, but I left her. I don't know, I'm glad you lived. Well, I'm glad. It's a place, but if we're several to live in, you'll write to me because it'll make me a little poster about a period when I missed some things

Starting point is 01:20:46 that are the most important to me and my family. Do you have any memories? Why? You weren't angry, you weren't... No, no, I was... I was telling you, it's like another whirlwind that's pulling us. It's hard to say. And the need to assert yourself too. Hey, I was poor, I could have ended up on the street many times, but the need to do everything alone,

Starting point is 01:21:05 I'm able, I don't need help, and I didn't ask for help, and there was that too. There were a lot of things that I isolated myself a little. Let's talk about poverty. How did you live? Beyond my means, I've always been the same. Always, always, always. I'm wiser than I was, but not to my liking yet. But yeah, beyond my means.

Starting point is 01:21:28 I lived, you know, we didn't learn that at school, moving and saving and all that. You know, I lived pay by pay. And it's not abnormal, there are so many people who are the same today. It's more percentages, listen, the percentage is terrible. It's gigantic, even more today than when I was young. When I was young, it was less frequent. People are at like a pay and then have a penny.

Starting point is 01:21:54 Yes, and before I started to laugh, it was that. It was from 18 to 26, 7, pay by pay, to try and always stress, a financial stress. I got rid of that and I'm aware of the privilege. I repeat, the job I do is a privilege. Yes, because you're freeing yourself. Yes, I don't understand that in our environment there are people who are not hungry, or people who go beyond the boundaries or who do sexual misconduct. I don't understand.

Starting point is 01:22:23 Realize that our job is a privilege, what we live. It's a great privilege that holds a little something. I arrived at the studio at 40 years old. I was the director of the school of music at the Rivière-du-Loup. Before, I was responsible for the funding of the Musée du Bas Saint-Laurent. So I was completely in another field. And that's what I also noticed when I arrived at the studio. The studio asked me to be part of that. I never thought about it, but I remember how I felt privileged. And you, that's why I think it was a film. Because you came across a past and another life too.

Starting point is 01:22:56 I had my past, my other life, my world, but I think that there are people who have been in this field for a long time. Sometimes it can happen that it makes them bad. Not all the time. Not everyone went to look for names, who started Sometimes it can happen that it makes them bad. Not all the time. Not everyone went to look for names, who started at what age, it's not that. But it doesn't come to my mind that there are people who are not hungry in our field because it's a privilege at all fucking levels. I understand.

Starting point is 01:23:19 At all levels, it changes your life. Sometimes I go to a restaurant with friends that people don't recognize because they're not in the public sphere. They see other people who come to talk to me and they're like, do you realize the luck you have? And I was like, yes, I realize that. The chance to be accomplished, to feel good, to be happy. To be part of it. I like to be part of a group.

Starting point is 01:23:44 You know, when I was talking about his show, I like to be part of it. I like to be part of a group. You know, when I was talking about the show, I like to be part of it. We laugh at the same time. I like that feeling. And to have the impression of being part of this society, to have a role in it. It doesn't mean that it's big, but it's there. It's recognized. You know, I got involved in politics. I like everything that's community-based. And to be recognized, that's it, to be part of a big community. And when we know your name, you know, like, hey, hi, Marc-Laude, oh my God, I'm a citizen, sorry, well no, no. It's correct, my God.

Starting point is 01:24:17 To continue to be a citizen, it's flattering, you don't even have an idea, it's like, hey, you know me, it's already a privilege. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, all that to say, that's it. The job we do is a privilege. And it got me out of poverty, paycheck to paycheck, and stress. But does it scare you to fall back there sometimes? Yes, but that's why I'm getting more and more in the game, and I'm getting more and more tight. I'm not 100% there. My accountant would laugh at me, but more and more. But you know, I fucked up my credit with payment delays on almost everything. When I started the stand-up, I was working on it again.

Starting point is 01:24:50 It's a long time to work on a credit. So it's something I regret a lot, but at the same time, I did the best I could with the knowledge I had, the situation in which I was in. But yeah, it wasn't strong. It wasn't strong. It wasn't, it wasn't great. Yes, that's it. It's learning. I'm so excited!

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Starting point is 01:25:48 Hey, I'm going back from the site with little candies in my bag, by the way. The over-adaptation. Yeah, that's what you said. Yeah, and to put a little plaster on the absence too in the young 20s. It's great to come here, honestly, thank you very much. No, but that's... that's worth the peace with that. Yeah, but... Because it took time for you.

Starting point is 01:26:11 It's like, we're going to our discovery at some point. Yeah, but I didn't give her a woman who was so important in my life. Yeah, but... It's probably not what she would say, because she already understood that. It's sure. She understood that. It's sure. I imagine that. That's for sure. I'm not someone who is very mystic, esoteric,

Starting point is 01:26:29 but compared to grandma, sometimes I tell myself, it would be fun if she were somewhere she could see. I would like her to be, you know, but at the same time, I'm not in it. Because I don't want her to see me when I'm at home. Imagine your ancestors who see everything you do. Hey, no, I have a little. Well, I don't know. But there's still a little bit of what she told you in what you've become.

Starting point is 01:26:52 You know, that sentence she told you, it's still something. To be who you want. And it's good for everyone. Well, yes. If there's nothing more liberating, I did it late. And it's, you did it on time. And it's, you know, with time, when I remember the term Mère au sein, I tell myself, it's true, you told me,

Starting point is 01:27:12 you're my artist, you can be whoever you want. And I didn't know the meaning of that sentence before, especially since I joined the community, and it's important to affirm, each human must affirm what they are. No matter whether it's straight, gay, trans, non-binary, lesbian. Affirming is important. And not that the orientation, the personality, the person you are,

Starting point is 01:27:32 what you want to do in life, what you think, it's important to be who you want to be, but I didn't know the meaning of that sentence until I started to assume myself and who I was to do it. Well, my mother was right. Strongly the same. It's beautiful. Wonderful.

Starting point is 01:27:46 I have to ask you some questions before we go. Are you comfortable in the sphere of intimacy? Is sexuality a taboo subject in your family? What place do you have in emotional intimacy in your love relationship? What is your way of showing your affection to the daily basis? It's still a sweet question. It's sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet. Well, already, we're going to take that away because the answer is clear, it's zero taboo in my family.

Starting point is 01:28:13 We are very, we are very funny, everyone together. I think that I'm the worst in the subject, but sexuality is not a taboo. No, no. And even Kit sometimes says, oh my God, that's too much information. There's no taboo in our country. So when you meet a new person who is around the table with my family,

Starting point is 01:28:32 they jump. Virg, my best friend, when she started coming to my family, she was like, Huh? Is that what a family is? She felt so loose, it's not taboo,

Starting point is 01:28:42 we can laugh, I was laughing at everything. She wasn't necessarily that, you know, the family parties and all that, but she came to us and said, OK, it's not too much, you know, the first joke I made, she said, everyone is OK, it's not too much, OK. Then she realized that it's fun, it's liberating, you know, at home. We know where it comes from too.

Starting point is 01:29:01 Well, I know some stuff. That's what we hear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So no, there's no taboo. Are you comfortable? I'll go with this one. For a while now, yes, I'm comfortable in my privacy. In the sphere of privacy. When I started seeing sexuality,

Starting point is 01:29:16 at 18, 19 years old, which is maybe late. That's relative. It's relative to everyone. But that's when I was ready. But it was very in the performance, in the, is it correct, is it like that we do that, and then, oh my God, this guy, I'm going to sleep with someone else.

Starting point is 01:29:32 It was very cerebral, very performative, not comfortable at 100%. And now I'm more comfortable. With my chameleon, it's different. And you know, I don't like my body very much, I talk about it all the time, my fingers are too. I don't like that. I have a little throat, a little catechism, I'm a pouty, I'm a bling. I have the bottom, you know, there are some who have a bottom of skin color

Starting point is 01:29:52 in pink, peach, brown, black, it's beautiful. I'm green. I'm a green of autosty. I'm like a crab, soft. But my chum manages to make me feel beautiful. I really like your definition. I don't like my body. I don't find myself beautiful naked. It's not beautiful. So you, nudity... I wasn't well.

Starting point is 01:30:14 But now I'm comfortable with my chum. Because I find that... And more and more, it's been four years since we've been together. And it continues to evolve. But we communicate better in our sexuality. We communicate well. And it makes me feel beautiful, you know, sometimes. There are times when I find myself licking, licking, licking, and he goes, ah, you're beautiful, I'm like, ah, ah, ah, take me all.

Starting point is 01:30:34 You take it, you accept it when he says that. Yes, more and more so. That's it, before you didn't accept it. No, but I wasn't comfortable, especially in the... You meet someone, you're a little bit, but it's not love, but it's a one night or a many night, but I wasn't comfortable. Especially when you meet someone, you're a little bit like, it's not love, but it's a one night or a many night. But I wasn't comfortable sexually. I don't know. I wasn't comfortable at 100%, comfortable at 100%.

Starting point is 01:30:55 But more and more, I am. And how did you learn to communicate? Is it he who started the communication in the privacy? Both at the same time. And I think it was by listening to podcasts. A lot. By listening to people talking, by talking with friends, too, that they were different, sexually, in the couple and everything. And Chris and Joseph, and as we get older too. The older we get, and I say that, I'm 30 years old, but...

Starting point is 01:31:15 Yeah, that's when you're younger. Yeah, I'm an old woman. The older we get, the more we feel... I'm not a big heart, but the more you feel sad about certain things. You know, at a younger age, everyone judges me, but at 30, you're like, Hey, that's the body I have, what do you want me to do? Do you love it or not? The older you are, the more you assume or accept things. I like to hear what you say because often we agree on what you just said to women. Compared to the body, we have the impression that men are already much easier.

Starting point is 01:31:51 Absolutely. You know, there's like a... I'm not a prejudiced, but in any case, it's like an acquisition, it seems, that we always associate women. Absolutely. That's why it's important, too, the movement of activists, also, of the positive body. And I have friends, they, it's just been a few years that they're like, I'm a beautiful woman. And before, they didn't find that because they were fat. And the word fat, it's not a negative word, it's a fat adjective.

Starting point is 01:32:19 You're not ugly because you're fat in life, you know, you're not... And I had trouble assuming it for myself. Yeah, because we make associations ourselves. You're not ugly because you're fat in life. And I had trouble accepting it for myself. Because we make associations ourselves. I'm fat, I'm fat, and I found that negative, and I found myself ugly like that. But now I'm starting to be more comfortable with it. But women, it's even more difficult.

Starting point is 01:32:35 It's important for the movement to accept the bodies, no matter what they are. It's important that men talk about it too. Because there are others at home who are eco-friendly. They'll say, yes, okay, well, me too. Because I have friends who told me really late in their lives that they never put on a swimsuit.

Starting point is 01:32:52 They always put on a t-shirt, if you want, with a swimsuit, as if it were bermudas. Yes, yes, yes. But they never took off their shirt and I was like, well, let's see. It looks like, you know, at that time I started realizing, okay, for men there are issues also with the body. Yes. There are standards of unattainable beauty of both sides. I was like, well, let's see. It looks like at that moment, I started realizing, okay, for men, there are also challenges in relation to the body. Yes, there are standards of unattainable beauty on both sides, a kind of pillar of movement at the moment.

Starting point is 01:33:12 Did you see that happen? It's the masculinists, there's one of the influencers whose name is completely missing, but he says, before the world wanted to look like Vin Diesel, the star who was in fashion, it's the body in Mike Ward. Did you see the answer from Mike? No, no, I saw the answer. It's funny in sacrament, but... He's like the little fat thugs and everything.

Starting point is 01:33:27 There's people like that who... who keep making people believe that to be a good man, it has to be... But no. Did you feel that pressure? Well, in the gay community, a lot. The positive body is also in the gay community, but before, you have to be muscular you are twink, twink, thin, big and loose.

Starting point is 01:33:50 You know, my body was the same naturally, I was more in that environment in time, and you know, the body changes when you also see your metabolism and all that, and I'm in shape today, and you see, it was less. It's crazy, but yes, I felt it anyway. But stop sharing the stupid way of thinking that you have to be muscular or the balls in the throat to be beautiful, no. And you're beautiful to be beautiful physically, it's possible that you're a little bit like that. Yes, and sometimes it's one comment that destroys the style. And it lasts a long time.

Starting point is 01:34:26 You have to be careful when you comment on someone's physique. I had already done something to test on humans, a situation that Jean-Michel Lantier was animating. And the test was... I was with women who were photographed, and after that, we put them in close-up. And in any case, she would give notes on... And then she would say, yes, but you modified the photo

Starting point is 01:34:48 compared to the size of that. And there was no photo that had been modified. It was really special because we said, we modified the photos and she found them more beautiful. Because we had said that. In photos? Yes, it's really strange. Ah, because you said the photos were modified.

Starting point is 01:35:01 Yes, exactly. And you understand, so it's something that's strong in the brain. Yes, well, we judge all the time. We judge all the time. And there was a girl in there, because you know, it was all girls who said they had a problem with their own esteem, and there's a big prejudice for me. A beautiful girl, you know, and I was like, well, why, what can she blame herself for? And one day, someone from her family, she was 11 years old, she said to him, hey, you have cellulite, you have big thighs. Do you understand? From that day on, it broke.

Starting point is 01:35:36 Listen, it's a sentence. But I think we never stop judging. I tell you, I'm more comfortable today, but I tell you, despite, and I just caught it, my double speech, but I told you, despite the fact that I'm a friend, I'm fat, I'm green. Yes, you've come out with 12 flaws. That's it, we always judge each other. The difference is to accept it. What does it change for you to be at ease in your intimacy compared to before? It's more fun. It's more liberating. You take advantage of the present moment.

Starting point is 01:36:07 It's more pleasant to make love. You don't think, OK, I'm all right, I'm well placed, my belly... You make love. It's more fun when you don't have that, you don't judge yourself. I judge myself the same way. Personally, I don't find myself pretty, but I accept that others can. So I don't judge myself when I'm with my other husband and we make love. It's not fun anymore. Freedom.

Starting point is 01:36:34 Freedom. Freedom, certain freedom. Yes, yes, yes. The question, Optoreso. How does Mona see Alexandre? Ha ha ha! I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Probably flat, but at the same time, I've always said the line is the same between Mona and Alexandre.

Starting point is 01:36:56 I created a Mona character, but I created... The character is not far from me. On stage, you say, I was dressed in Mona, but it's Alexandre. That's it. I can go further in Mona. I can address subjects that Alexandre could not necessarily. But humor, I think the mechanics are the same. Unless you see a flagrant difference since we've been talking about what you've seen. It's weird, you know, you have Rita. No, but it's weird, seriously. Yes, because Rita has

Starting point is 01:37:26 Andrague. Rita Baga. And J.F. is a more reserved guy, more calm. I don't care about the situation in life. The character's line is thin, but I think Mona finds Alexandre flat. Alexandre,

Starting point is 01:37:42 an energy with the costume and the wig, I know a lot about Rita, but the energy Alexandre Plante. Alexandre, tu sais, une énergie avec le costume pis la perruque, c'est encore, je sais de beaucoup Rita, macho, mais l'énergie de la perruque. C'était un mot qu'elle utilisait, mais dès que t'as ça sur la tête, mon Dieu que t'as de l'énergie, tu sais. Pis Mona, je peux faire, tu me souviens, on faisait un show au Mado, un podcast au Cabaret Mado après ça, pa! Hé, je me démaquille même, bon ça va prendre un vert de la gang dans le village à côté,

Starting point is 01:38:03 pis je restais en drag pis j'étais plus énergique pis plus willing de faire des affaires. Hey, I said to myself, Kim, we're going to get a green flag in the next village, and I was in drag, and I was more energetic and more willing to do business. Alexandre was a little wild, a little naughty, a little flatter. At home, could you dress like Amona? Christ, no. At home, the clothes are optional. The comfort first of all, please. No, no, no, no. Your shirt would be surprised to see you. Yes, yes. What do you think of your boyfriend, Mona?

Starting point is 01:38:31 He thinks it's great. He's always liked drag. When we started dating, I remember he said to me, Hey, listen to this, RuPaul's Drag Race, it's a reality TV show where drags clash in many challenges. I said, yes, yes, yes, I listen heard that, it's good, it's your favorite, my blibli blublu. He says, ah, I love drag so much. He says, I've always had the taste of trying, because I've done singing lessons, I liked doing shows on stage, I'd like to try drag and see and all that. I said, ah, you know, I have something to say, I do that in life,

Starting point is 01:38:59 on camera and in the back. He says, one, sorry, I had the troll in time, but he says, well, nice, na na na, bring me to the back when when it's going to reopen after the pandemic. And he ended up trying it. So what I do, he sees it as super fun, he loves it. It's a medium and an art that he respects a lot. But I think he sees Mona too, some of him, he sees Mona in fashion. And I think she could make more effort.

Starting point is 01:39:25 When you see me in drag sometimes, he comes to follow me on the show, he sees me on TV, he says, seriously, five more minutes, stick that ball of your wig, make sure the wig is well stuck, and then you didn't try, but your... You know, he FaceTime me while I was putting on makeup, he says, OK, you do what you want, but at the moment your eyebrows are cousins, not sisters. You do what you want, but now you have one that goes here and the other there. But that's work, that. It's work, and I get involved.

Starting point is 01:39:50 It's not the visual part that excites me in this job. It's the character part, the show part that interests me the most. So the visual part, I get involved. So Phil, he sees my ass like a lack of detail, a lack of concern for detail, but he also sees it as a super cool thing, super fun, and it changed my life too. So he likes that a lot. And where do you see yourself in 10 years? In the same place. You know, I told you I would stop time. You're good, huh?

Starting point is 01:40:22 I'm good. Same place as the setbacks, no matter. Work harder. I want to do this job, no matter how much I do it, but I want to be able to do that in life. That's all I want. I wouldn't change anything. And you know, your great capacity for adaptation, it allows you to be as high as you are on stage,

Starting point is 01:40:42 because you adapt to your audience. Yeah, but you shouldn't fall into the people-pleasing. No, but you feel your room. Yes, but yes. You're not in the complacency, but you're still listening. For an audience, it's interesting to be part of the show.

Starting point is 01:41:00 And you have that. You're fine. You're super fine. Yes, it's good to go see. It's out of the it. Really. You're fine. You're super fine. It's good to go see it. It's out of the ordinary. Thank you so much, Mona, Alexandre, all of that at the same time. It was a real pleasure to discover you. Well, Mirroir, thank you. Thank you for your podcast, for what you do, but thank you for making things happen to the world too.

Starting point is 01:41:24 I don't know if it what you do, but thank you for making things happen to people too. I don't know if it's already happened, but... Yes, but it's listening, in fact, because often we get interrupted in what we're telling. And, you know, it's normal in a discussion, we do it in a word. I'm talking too, because, you know, when you talk about it, I'm going through that stage. And I find that over-adaptation, they don't think enough. We think more about rigidity. People say he's rigid, he doesn't want to.

Starting point is 01:41:47 But when we go in the other direction... It's also not good in the personal plan. Well, you have to be careful, you don't want to get lost in there. I don't want it to end, I put my joker on the end. It was a real pleasure and I hope it continues for you. Well, Mirouandri Cochet, thank you for the welcome. And for your birthday, I hope we'll meet again. I had a lot of fun.

Starting point is 01:42:09 Well, I hope we'll meet again, for sure. So I thank everyone for being there. In any case, what a magnificent podcast. And we say, see you next time. See you next time. Bye bye everyone. This episode was presented by Karim Jonka,, the Reference in Care for the Skin in Quebec, and by the Marie-Claude virtual community.

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