Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #94 Kevin Parent | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Il fait partie du paysage québécois depuis déjà 30 ans! Kevin aborde tous les changements qu’il a apportés à sa vie au cours des dix dernières années. Il livre un vibrant hommage à son père. Il nous parle de son rôle de père et celui de grand-père. Rencontre avec un homme bien dans sa peau.━━━━━━━━━━━00:00:00 - Introduction00:14:34 - Cartes vertes00:37:47 - Cartes jaunes01:03:30 - Cartes rouges01:09:28 - Cartes Eros01:19:28 - Carte Opto-Réseau━━━━━━━━━━━L'épisode est également disponible sur Patreon, Spotify, Apple Podcasts et les plateformes d'écoute en ligne.Vous aimez Ouvre ton jeu? C'est à votre tour d'ouvrir votre jeu avec la version jeu de société. Disponible dès maintenant partout au Québec et au https://www.randolph.ca/produit/ouvre-ton-jeu-fr/?srsltid=AfmBOoo3YkPk-AkJ9iG2D822-C9cYxyRoVXZ8ddfCQG0rwu2_GneuqTT Visitez mon site web : https://www.marie-claude.com et découvrez l'univers enrichissant du MarieClub, pour en apprendre sur l'humain dans tous ses états et visionner les épisodes d'Ouvre ton jeu, une semaine d’avance. ━━━━━━━━━━━ Ouvre ton jeu est présenté par Karine Joncas, la référence en matière de soins pour la peau, disponible dans près de 1000 pharmacies au Québec. Visitez le https://www.karinejoncas.ca et obtenez 15% de rabais avec le code ouvretonjeu15.Grâce à Éros et compagnie et notre niveau rose, obtenez 15% avec le code rose15 au https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/?code=rose15Merci également à Opto-Réseau, nouveau partenaire d'Ouvre ton jeu. Visitez le https://www.opto-reseau.com pour prendre rendez-vous dans l'une de leurs 85 cliniques.

Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast, Ouvre Ton Jeu. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. And I want to salute those who are watching or listening to us from Mexico because we received a comment saying, well, yes, you are saluting people from France, from the regions of Quebec, but we are also some people listening to you from Mexico, so today it will be a special, a very special special day for you. There is a novelty for a few weeks now, the digital platform.

What I now call a well-being space, the Marie-Clobe, and partner of Ouvre Ton Jeu. And I decided that at the beginning of Ouvre Ton Jeu. And I decided that at each start of Ouvre Ton Jeu, I'm going to present an excerpt from Marie-Clobe. It's really a platform that's there to improve life. You know, one of the goals of life, I think, is to always have a better life. And that's kind of where we talk about different things like well-being, consumption, parenting, psychology, health. In fact, reading clubs, there are a lot of things. And some time ago, I received Jean-Philippe Plot as an author.

Jean-Philippe is an author, he is a sociologist, he is an animator at the Radio-Canada. He writes one of his books, it's Rue du Plessis, which is known and has been a great success. So I received him as an author. And when I received them, we briefly talked about anger, because in his book he talked about anger. And then he told me,

but why didn't you talk about it more during the interview? I said, you know, when we talk about anger with someone, you still have to have time to hear where it comes from. It can't be superficial, and I didn't have the time I needed. And I told him, on the other hand, if you want to talk about anger, because I want to hear you talk about it, because we can feel it in rue du Plessis, that there is anger in him,

I would like there to be a conversation between you and Marc Pistorio, whom you probably know, who is a psychologist, and who had just re-edited the wisdom of our anger. And that encounter took place at the Marie-Clob. So I'm with the two men, but they talk to each other about what it is to be angry, how to vent your anger. And really, that encounter fascinated me, and I wanted to make you listen to an excerpt here.

Do you feel more free to be less living this anger? You know, I hear the word free or freedom as the awareness of what has determined us in this case of social and family determinism. And then, once we've become aware of it, it's about giving ourselves the capacity to intervene, to change them, to adapt them, to transform them. So, yes, from that point of view, I feel more free. And I feel better equipped to listen to the anger of others, starting with the anger of my children. And I feel better equipped to accompany them in there.

Without forgetting that anger can also have a function. It can have a political function and all that. So, you know, I'm trying to get out of there by staying in balance, but yes, I feel more free. But I think what we should remember is that anger is always legitimate when it is felt. It is an expression that sometimes is not exist and that must become it. So if you are interested in subscribing to Marie-Claude, we offer you 10% off. You go to Marie-Claude.com

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Jonathan Fréchette at digital creation, Etienne Lorando at capture. A team in the arts and we're not in a hurry to make Ouvre Ton Jeu and we're preparing a big special for the 100th episode of Ouvre Ton Jeu. I can't wait to talk to you about it. It's coming. And you know it too, if you go to the marklaude.com, you'll be able to see the four dates of Ouvre ton jeu sur scène, where I receive Maxime Landry, I also receive Lés Dion, Mario Pelletier and Mathieu Dufour. So we go to the Club Le Distre en Tabrossard, the L'Odyssée room in Gatineau,

we also go to Sainte Eustache and we do the Octave Crémazie stage in Quebec. So I hope we'll see you because when we do the onstage, it's an happening. And we also have questions for you, the audience. Some of you can go up on stage and you also have the audience level. So I hope you'll be there because there's something in these meetings that we like a lot. And in addition, the guests will also go to meet you later. Today, he is among other things a singer, an author, composer, interpreter, who I immediately liked the sound of his voice, the sound of his music, and also the depth of his lyrics, which are still relevant today.

The proof is that his album, Pigeon of clay, will celebrate its 30th anniversary this year. And there is a tour, Pigeon of clay, across Quebec, to show how far this album has crossed the time. He was with us today. I can't wait to meet him. So, maybe you recognized him. It's Kevin Parent. So, Kevin, it's your turn. Let's go. So, what changed your father's death? Responsibility.

It brought me closer to my mother and my brother. He was a good guy, dad. It was an exam of patience, sometimes too much. He was accumulating a lot, dad. Instead of saying no to things, he was accumulating. I might have the tendency to do that too. The drawing of my father, listen, it's a beautiful experience. Despite the pain, I wrote a song called Beautiful Unhappiness.

It's a song that says that by losing people, instead of running away, we come to the inevitable, the obligatory passage, and we welcome it. Ouvre ton jeu is presented by Karine Jonquin, the skin care reference, available in nearly 1,000 pharmacies in Quebec, and by the virtual community Marie-Clobe, available on Marie-Clobe.com. The table game Ouvre Ton Jeu is available everywhere in the store and on Randolph.ca.

Today, I'm welcoming a singer, among other things, because he's an actor, he's a director, he composes, he interprets. But I was a fan of his music very quickly. I think from the first tune I heard of this boy, I thought, OK, this is music that speaks to me. and the way he talks with this Gaspezian rhythm that flows in my blood, it became very familiar to me. So to have him with me today is a great pleasure. I feel like we have a lot to hear from him, a lot to learn. Kevin Parent, welcome. Hello, hello, hello everyone. Last time we also received Robin Joel Cool, who comes from the New Brunswick,

and who told us about his accent, that it had delayed his acting career. And for me, your way of speaking is immediately like a connection. Have you often been told about your way of speaking? Kevin, it's funny to be in the middle of the show, but I want to know that. Yes, of course. It's a bit of my trademark. Even today, when people make fun of me, it's like the youngster with a hot potato in his mouth who has some kind of particular misery.

It's a Gaspezian accent, but it's also an English-speaking accent. Since my brother and I were raised in England, at home, like my parents were raised in England by our Irish grandparents, so it's for sure that the accent is part of who we are. At the same time, it quickly distinguished you too. Well, it was my advantage. For an actor, I imagine that it's not easy. Even when I worked with Gérard-Marc Vallée, he worked hard to calm my accent. On Café de Flore.

Yes, exactly. But for music, I would say it played in my favor. We love or we don't love, but we recognize. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm very happy. Thank you very much for the invitation. And you're still a young dad. Well, yes. In the sense that your child is young. A young dad, a young grandfather. There's a lot. A young father, a young grandfather.

There's a lot to do, because you're a young grandfather, and you're also like a father of parenting. You're a young father because you have a daughter who's very young. It's still interesting, your story, because your little daughter is practically the same age as your daughter. Yes, they have three days apart. So you have a boy who is 31 years old? Yes, 32.

32, and your youngest daughter? My youngest daughter, my daughter, she's just two years old. That's still... No, it's fun. It's special. It's not common as a path, but it's full of love. So we follow that. Because you were a young dad. It's not a path, but it's full of love. We follow that. Because you were a young dad. I was a young dad.

It wasn't an accident. I was a young dad. I don't know why. I think I was 13 or 14 years old. I felt like I wanted to be a father. I was 100 months old. I met a woman that I loved a lot, and she was a little older than me. She wanted children, but I was still young.

It wasn't an accident, it was wanted. But after that, music took me out of the Gaspezi. It was special, as a dynamic of dad. But it was always very strong, the relationship I have with my son. And now, what is the difference between a father, you were a 19-year-old father, and now, is that... Oh, well, it's the energy, you know, it's not the same. It's really not the same, you know. Younger, I think you don't want to control more, but you want to prove yourself, you know,

in certain things, I'm going to be a good father, and you have more energy. And you're a little guy, so we played outside, we played, you know, it was more active that way. Today it's different. It's calmer, it's softer. It's more relaxed. So it's two ways of doing things that are a little special and out of the ordinary. But that I, it feeds me both and it makes me grow. So I'm the father. Yeah, and you've become a young grandfather.

Oh, yeah, but I think that everyone who becomes a grandfather thinks that it happens quickly and that we're young. Well, yes, but you know... Well, I also have the impression that I'm a young grandmother. But I don't know about the others. I'm a young grandmother. Moi aussi, j'ai l'impression que je suis une grand-mère jeune, mais je le sais pas dans le regard des autres, je suis une grand-maman jeune. Mais moi, je me sentais choyée d'être déjà grand-mère. Je me dis que je vais avoir cet enfant-là. En tout cas, si je me fais à mon espérance de vie, je devrais le voir grandir quelques années quand même.

On pourra en parler tantôt, mais moi, le petit pincement que j'ai comme grand-papa, We can talk about it later, but the little thing I have as a grandfather is not to be as present for my little daughter as I would like to be because I have my responsibilities, me too, at home. So when I talk to my son, we are both without the same length of time because we live the same thing, so the relationship between father and son is perfect. But sometimes I would like to be a little more present for... Like all grandparents want to be. You know, spend the weekend with the little child.

And it's a package of joy, of life. But I have that every day that I'm with my little one. So we'll talk about it later. So here's the game, Kevin. The green questions are general. The yellow questions are more specific. The game is for you. There is no guest who has the same game. The questions come back, but they don't necessarily come back completely.

They are pre-chosen. They are pre-chosen. Yes, it's adapted for you, basically. Then, the red questions are more personal. We have the level of eros and companionship, these are questions of sexual or sensual order. We have the question of the optorhizo, which is the question that makes the game end up well all the time. I think we end up that, we make the plane land softly. And the famous Jokeroker that allows me to ask all the questions because you can stop me and I'll move on to another question. If you're tired of answering, you say okay, that's enough, you can use it once. So now we start with the green questions. Kevin, you're going to

pick them and you're going to give me five please. And I'm going to read them to you. And you choose one. OK. After that, you choose one. It's for sure that coming here, we have more of the taste to tell you, choose one. Ask what you want to ask. Oh, no, I don't even want to. What am I doing? You give me five. Oh no, this is democratic.

You choose one. So here it is. To be good with myself, I must. Where do you feel you are in full possession of your means? What character did you have to work on? What is your greatest fear? And which person made a difference in your life? I would say with the first one, what was it?

It's to be good with myself, I must. OK, I agree with that. Shall we start then be good with myself, I have to. OK, let's go with that. Shall we start with the order? Yes, yes, it's the order. So, to be good with myself, I have to be disciplined. I have to do daily actions to deal with everything that happens outside, I think that's it. I think that this map suits me well because it's what I like. I think that when you're young, sometimes you explore, you make travels, you have adventures,

you look for yourself, you want to know our limits. And then sometimes we lose ourselves, sometimes we move away, sometimes we disconnect from our essence, from our thread. And I think that over time, I felt something that reminding me inside, what I was going through, what my safety was, what my comfort zone was. So to be good with myself, I have to do introspection daily, I would say. And that allows me to... If you put a teaspoon of soil in this bucket of water, It allows me to...

If you put a spoonful of soil in this glass of water, and you spray it, but that's the activities of the day. And then if you look through the glass of water, you don't really see through it very well. You have to keep that in mind. And then every day, I try to find time, sometimes without a hiding place, with the children children and the little children and our business. But I always try, I'm lucky because I have a partner, my love of life understands that I need that, to find time to relieve all the external stress of the day.

And at what point did you realize that you needed to get married every day? I think I always felt that I had that, even when I was very, very young. I went to the forest, I went to nature sometimes. I liked that. I was social, I liked people. But I found myself very well with myself in nature, by the river, in the woods, in nature, in solitude, or when I had moments of deep anxiety that made me connect with something I couldn't explain. I could live it. It was experiences, but they didn't translate into words.

You were in the feeling. In the feeling and in the interiority, call it that. Yes, yes, yes, because that's what goes fast outside. It's like that, it's sure if you bring in your glass of water, cognac and almond cream, and a joint through that, and a cigarette, and eat all the When I have everything, you know, you come that it's harder to see clearly. It takes more time and patience for the sediments to deposit to see clearer in your life or in yourself. So, the more it's been going on for quite a few years, I'm going back a little to the essence I had when I was a little kid.

And I'm happy to have done everything I had to do, and all the experiences I had. But I'm happy to find a little bit of discipline, to take the time and to give me the time to let the sediments to lay down for me through the glass. And do you just describe, I imagine, a little bit your life when you talk about alcohol, it was your rhythm of life that you had, is that it?

That is to say that it's... Well, for me it was alcohol or all kinds of consumption. And what did that bring you in your life? Alcohol. Yes. What were you looking for? Well, I had fun. We had fun. I had a lot of fun. I think that alcohol, in my case, it was a way... I was super embarrassed when I was young.

I was embarrassed. You know, socially, I had the misery to express myself. To add to that, you know, I was an English speaker, so just talking with the Francophone community, for me, it was a challenge, it was a challenge. To find the words. I found that I never spoke fast enough to put aside what the others said.

If we spoke in English or we listened to a show in English, I was in my comfort zone, I understand. But with the Francophonie, I've always had a latency, a difficulty. Adds brain commotion to hockey games, accidents, and things that happen. It made me have more difficulty

communicating. Alcohol brought me a kind of numbness that made this agent So alcohol brought me a kind of It was like a pill, alcohol is an enrichment, it makes you magic. We had parties, we played music and learned to get to know each other. It's a social lubricant, we'll say. But at the same time, that's it. It's been a while. And now, you know, if you're from a consumer society, where you want, you know, even today, you know,

places that are going to go, but people spend, but it's fun, it makes the deal go away. But there comes a time when my body was no longer following me, my soul was no longer there. And I was no longer comfortable with that. And I realized that I was smoking a cigarette with that. Sometimes I didn't even feel like drinking, but if I drank, I had no more will.

So I smoked a cigarette with everything that came with it. So it was... At one point with everything that came with it. So it was... One year, it went well. It was less fun. I was ready to move on to other things. And it was a long time ago. Listen, I wrote a song called Frequenté l'Oublie in 96. I was thirsty to drink. So you know...

My faith doesn't want to talk to me anymore. My faith doesn't want to talk to me anymore. It was in 96. So already I had this confidence. And I remember even at 16, I started drinking at a Gaspezi and having fun. And even at 16, I remember going to a meeting of AA because I was, you know, I thought I was drinking too much for my age, you know, that I already had the desire to face some inner challenges, some discomfort, some discomfort and some discomfort. So that's it.

I wouldn't say it was a struggle. But you changed your lifestyle. I changed my lifestyle and I just got closer to a fire that was always there, that was always there. Sometimes we make detours in life and sometimes we lose our way. I had all the time, not a certainty, but I had all the time the desire and I knew that one day I would come back to my source, if you will. And then years later I come back to that. But these are things that you can't really talk about. Do you have a Kleenex here for me? Yes, absolutely. But these are things you can't really talk about. Do you have a Kleenex here for me? Yes, absolutely.

That's nice. These are things that... Well, it's fun with you. I see that I'm not quick-tempered, and when I talk, I talk a lot. But you know, you take the time. Often, we don't have time in 30 seconds to punch. No, I find this path super interesting. Because you went like through the same path.

You're coming back to your roots. But I don't remember that at 16, you went to the AAs. Because you knew that you were already at that point that you were deviating from your roots. Or that I was saying things that made me sad. Yes, that's it. You know, challenges. And we all have them at different levels. But you know, the fear sometimes, Kevin,

when you decide to change your life habits, it's also losing your friends, it's losing your contacts with which you've been built over the years. Did you have that kind of fear too? Yes and no, in the sense that as long as I was super social, younger, making lots of friends everywhere, as long as I had real friends, I didn't have that much. Those who really knew me or with whom I could trust. But anyone who clowns or makes people laugh

often hides their... We know how it works. No, I... It's not that I was afraid of losing the others, the paths. No, it's really because I just wanted to be better in my skin. You did it for yourself. And it worked. Well, it worked. Sometimes it's phases, sometimes it's really because I just wanted to be better in my skin. You did it for yourself. Yes. And it worked. Well, it worked.

And sometimes it's phases, sometimes it's cycles. Life is full of cycles. We know how it works. So, you know, I've had moments of sobriety or whatever. But most of the time, that's what happens. As much in my work environment as in my intimate relationships as in my family. Often when I was sober, in a more rigid way, people told me I wasn't as fun. I didn't have big highs, but I didn't have big downs. I was a little more...

It was the same. I was a little monotonous. And then, you know, I was often told that often, you're more fun when you have a drink. So, you know, Hawaii takes a drink, you know. Sometimes, you don't want to have a drink, you arrive in a context, you have a drink, and then you're hot, and they bring you drinks, and it's social. And then Hawaii, you play the guitar,

and then, hey, Kevin was hot. But Kevin took too much. Well, decide your own damn thing. You know, what do you want? So, in my opinion, there comes a time when you don't really adapt to what the world wants from you, and you try to give what you have to give. And then, after saying no, you know, we offer you a drink, no thank you. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no thank you.

Oh yeah, Kevin. I t'offre un verre, non merci. Ah ouais, ah ouais, non merci. Ah ouais, non, qu'elle veut. Je t'ai dit non. Il vient un temps où ce que les gens ressentent que t'es plus vulnérable ou fragile à dire oui ou à dire non, ils viennent qu'ils le sentent, ils le voient tout de suite, ils perdent pas de temps. Puis tu passes ça, tu sais, moi c'est ça mon cheminement. C'est du copain-copain pour tout le monde. I don't know, that's my path. But when I hear you talk about dropping dust, there's a form of meditation in there too. Oh, absolutely.

It's like full consciousness. It's like meditation full of consciousness. It's completely meditation every day. That's why I tell you, we talk about it, but we don't talk about it. Because those who understand, we understand, but those who are talk about it because those who understand will understand, but those who are not in it, they have an easy judgment. But for me, meditation, yoga, breathing, prayer, call it whatever you want, it has always been part of my life, and it still is part of it, daily. For you, it's spiritual. That's it. It's an update. We update our iPhones, but I do it myself.

But today, in traditional medicine, we will strongly propose meditation. I have the impression that in the next few years, in the healthy life habits, we have added sleep. In the next few years, we will talk more about sleep. I believe that meditation is already there. It lowers stress. We know we are in a society that is very stressed. So I imagine that you are deposing yourself, it means that this stress is also being deposited. And we know that stress creates inflammation in the body. You know, there are a lot of things you just said. It's really taking care of yourself, what you do.

I think it's a good example. I like your image of making the dust go down every day. Yes, yes, because after that, it's like washing your laundry or doing anything. You wash yourself every day because at the end of the day, it's that. It's just, it's a... Instead, it's to return the attention inside, instead of always wanting approval, or whatever, outside. It's a path that is different,

and it's everyone for themselves. Yes. Anyway, you know, we go... There always comes a moment in life, sooner or later, when life imposes this reflection on us. Whether it's when we're young, whether we have griefs, when we lose people, or it's later, in an older age, when we have health problems,

there comes a time when everything we can laugh and ridicule, there comes a time when we can't be on top of all that. We all make a fool of ourselves. But it brings beautiful things, it brings beautiful openings and connections a little more. The question I'm going to choose, Kevin, is on what character traits do you have to work? Maybe patience, maybe. Sometimes we can't control others, and we can't control the outside of ourselves, and we have to remember that. And it all comes back to the ego. I would tell you that... I would tell you that patience, sometimes when it doesn't go fast enough to our taste, or when it goes too slow, I remember a song called Critique.

When the time is close, I slow down. When I'm late, I go crazy. I run. So, a whirlwind that refuses to be driven by an unconscious wind that only pushes it. But that was a bit of it. I think that we can have internal goals and external demands that are not always in correlation, that are not always in correlation, that are not always in symbiosis. And when you're caught in the middle of all that, you have to let yourself go. I brought myself here earlier,

I didn't want to be late, I called the searcher to say I was going to be late, there's no more room in the parking lot. We find a parking lot, I have nail cutters, he doesn't want me to be there because I have nail cutters. The guy doesn't know me. He makes me leave the site. I arrive late. I don't want to lose respect towards you.

Not at all. I'm super happy to be there. I don't want to have an image of a guy who lacks respect and arrives late. And there are life circumstances that... That we don't control, actually. We don't control. So patience, Kevin. You don't have control over it. Let it go, and it's okay. It feels good inside when you're able to get rid of it

and get to less precisely because impatience, it's physically hard, impatience, and it's hard for others too around impatience. Yes, it's hard to endure it and it's hard to live it. But I think that with time, we are able to take less personal things too. And what I've also worked on is any form of criticism, any form of judgment that comes from outside, from a person or a group, or whatever. I'm able to take what I have to take, but I'm also able to see when there are people or external events that are not really their own, or that there are people that...

You're able to take what belongs to you. Yes, but I'm also able to say no, thank you for what doesn't belong to me. And in a way, without being self... without... I don't know how to say it. Wait, what do you mean by saying it's saint? Without being... Sometimes when we absorb what doesn't belong to us, self-flagellating... Oh yes, self-flagellating, yes, yes, yes, I understand.

Without self-flagellating, I understand, I understand. Yes, yes, absolutely. Without being in there, you know. No, I'm patient. I would tell you, you know, but sometimes it's tough. It works especially when you're sober and you don't get drunk with anything. No pills, no joints, no alcohol. Sometimes a little sugar and a little coffee, but you know, when there are events that happen, you feel right away.

So you have to deal with it. Yes, because you could have your old reflexes. Yes, to unwind what annoys me, a stage fright, and then put me under the carpet. So my goal is to... To face it. To face it. In real time, not in passive time, not retroactively. That's what my challenge.

I listened to you in an interview. I talked to you when you arrived. I listened to you in an interview by a journalist, without naming the interview completely, where she came back on the anonymous allegations you had in 2020 in all this fulé, Me Too. And that was not what was planned, what I understood in this radio interview, it wasn't that. And I found you very solid to say, well, you're what you think,

but I'm not that. I have the impression that what you say, your change of life, also brings you a step back, which makes you not get rush into the arena. You arrive at the pace you want to arrive at in that arena, and we're not imposing something on you or making you say things you didn't want to say. And I found you very solid in the interview, Kevin.

I have the impression that something has changed in you. This confidence, this... Am I wrong when I have the impression that you have more confident in yourself than 25 years ago? I think that in general, I ask you the same question. We're all the same. But the minute you ran out of substance, you ran out of alcohol, you were just in complete lucidity, you didn't have protection, but it it's a habit to face it. Did it help you to face it in the last few years? Slightly?

Yes, it's for sure that the first question, the second question about what I work with comes in line with if I find myself in uncomfortable situations, I need to really remember what is really the essence, what is important in all of this, and what is the goal. Who is it for and what is it for? Because you work in the public, I work in the public, everyone has their own business. You know, Marie-Claude, I wouldaurais eu mille et une raisons, je le dis

en spectacle, j'aurais eu mille et une raisons de laisser de côté ce métier-là, puis de faire de quoi d'autre. Et puis j'ai essayé aussi de temps en temps de flirter avec d'autres options de carrière et tout, mais la vie me ramène à ce que je pense que je suis dans But life brings me back to what I think I'm in a position to be as generous as possible with my person for society. Not just for myself, but also that I can help others, you know? That I don't just think about myself. Because when you do it just for the sake of the peace, you could do more paying things than you do now.

But you know, you could just do charity, but at the same time you have to make a living. So it always brings me back to what I do now. So even if someone wants to come and ridicule me or beat me up, I can think about it, I can take it, but I must not be viscerally devoured by an external opinion in relation to the balance I can offer socially. Is there a lot of work behind what you just said? Yes, it's that your ego, sometimes you put it aside for a long-term investment. So you're not in the... We hit you, you're not in the punch right away, but it's in the long run where it's there that it bears fruit.

It takes patience, it takes will, it takes patience. And I wouldn't say that sometimes it's a challenge, yes, but I think it's worth persevering. Patience will bring good rewards, as you've already written. This is an ad from Better Health Online Therapy. It will bring good results, as you have already written. BetterHelp offers therapy 100% online and sign up only takes a few minutes. Visit betterhelp.com today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp.help.com. Now we're getting to the point where... What am I doing? You're giving me a cut? It's going to end up...

I'm just going to hug you and I'm giving you a cut. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. I'm used to playing UNO with my blonde. I get dressed quickly when we have five minutes. What are we going to do? Yeah, it says thank you. You're going to talk to me about the table, so we'll see. Did you neglect certain aspects of your life?

You wrote Father on the Go for your son, what would you write for your daughter? How did your father's death change you? What type of lover are you? Excuse me, are you talking about dad? Let's go. Excuse-moi, tu parles de papa, là. Allons-y, là. Donc en quoi le décès de ton père t'a changé? Responsabilité. Ça m'a rapproché de ma mère puis de mon frère.

C'était un bon justement de patience des fois trop. Il accumulait beaucoup, papa, au lieu de dire non à des affaires. Il accumulait, il accumulait. J'ai peut-être tendance à faire ça aussi. The business was growing, and growing. I may have the tendency to do that too, but... The drawing of my father, listen... It's a beautiful experience despite the pain. I wrote a song called, Baud Malheur.

It's a song that says that by the force of losing people, we come to... Instead of fleeing the inevitable, the obligatory passage, that we welcome them. And I think that my father's departure was a pivot point in that. And the departure of my father surpasses the man he was for me. There is a global, a turning point in my life, in general. So, it's sure that with the departure of each person we love, there is a part of us that leaves with them,

and there is a part of us that goes with them. And there's a part of our useless luggage too, that we don't want to go with that person anymore. So dad was in a chum, I spent time with him. We were all talking. There was no secret. And... it belonged to us. It wasn't someone else's business. secret. Puis ça nous appartenait. C'était pas des affaires à personne d'autre. Puis le silence qu'il y avait, je trouvais ça le fun. Fait que quand il est parti, j'étais

à Québec, c'était pas prévu, puis un accident cardiovasculaire qui était censé être un pont... mais être un tuteur de quoi? a cardiovascular accident, which was supposed to be a... a what? A suicide? A montage? No, not a... just a suicide. Just a suicide, okay. We thought it was going to be a practice, and then he was going to get out of there.

And finally, what happened? And he died. And that's it. So after that they came to get me and they said, well, you know, to go see your father. So there was all the staging of a hospital with blood, with everything that came with it. But that was not what was important. I had a good little chat with dad and we shook hands. You know, we shook hands and we shook our heads, our foreheads, and we touched our parents in a way that the last time I had touched it, it was with a child's hand. It wasn't with a man's hand, but with an adult's hand.

So to find that tenderness and that youth, despite the trials and all, there was something very, very healing in that experience, which is an experience. When you live it, you know what it is. When you don't live it, you're afraid. But for me, it was a very healing experience, I would say. And then I had a lot of gratitude for dad, and it made me realize deep down in my heart, even if life is hard, even if it's tough, despite everything, I'm filled with love, and I'm filled with, we don't give up, and you know, dad, you're here, you're dead, thank you, I won't see you again. But all I can say is thank you. A lot of gratitude.

So, you know, the chance of having piled on my pride, too, because we can blow up, there are phases in life, we blow up our parents. We go through it all, and it's the fault of our parents, it's the fault of another, it's the fault of another. It's always the fault of someone else than of ourselves. There comes a time when we grow up, when we realize that, oh, damn, we're responsible for ourselves. And when we have children, and boy, now our parents, whether we're mad at them or not, we realize how much they were there for us. We don't have to say what we want, you know. on the other side or not, we realize how much they were there for us.

We have a lot to say about what we want. We understand them much more. We understand the stages of parenting. The respect we have for our parents, it becomes exponential. It's like, my God, I had the chance to spend time with my father to tell him all this, to be able to take it in my arms instead of giving him a handful of my own hands. I worked on myself a lot before I got to that. What gratitude, what happiness I had to collect that love and that energy when my father died, it fed me in a way that...

that you can't explain. But that moment, I heard you talking, it's like a time marker for you. It's a time marker. It's like, OK, Dad is gone, but instead of the family exploding, I got closer to my mom and my brother. Maybe Dad was a bit of my guy in the family, and the others maybe a little less, because we

maybe had less affinity. It just got me closer and said, well, keep it to me to put my asses where they need to be. Do you need me? Do you? What can I do for you? This call for paternity, for paternal values that transmitted to me, that wanted to take its place. And then, it's a beautiful thing. And one year, we'll all go through that, but you know, we can talk about a lot of other things, but yes, it was a marker. Absolutely, Marie-Claude. Je te dirais que... On passe tout par là, puis il vient un temps...

Il n'y a pas d'argent, il n'y a pas... Tu sais, quand t'es jeune, puis t'es beau, puis t'es en santé, puis que... T'as de l'argent dans les poches. T'es au-dessus de tout, tu crois pas en rien, tu crois en toi-même, puis tu sais... You have money in your pocket. You're above everything. You don't believe in anything. You believe in yourself. And you know, you're above all of that. But when things happen where you become vulnerable, you become exposed, but you don't have a choice to let yourself go in the case of something that is stronger than you,

that is more beautiful than you. What is the biggest legacy that you have left? When did you recognize it in yourself? Dad was in the Colons Knights, when they said what we wanted was a gang of guys who tried to bring good to the community in a discreet way. It's to put the community before putting yourself in value. It's to assist people who need it,

often in the dark. It wasn't a guy, there was no Facebook to say, every time he did a charity work or did something generous or good to someone else, we didn't necessarily see his actions on social media. And that's what in my own way, to continue this path a little bit. To help in my own way. No matter what. Against winds and tides.

Against winds and tides. Remind me to continue. Against winds and tides. Remind me to keep going against winds and tides. Often, those people who are more quiet in what they do, as well, at funerals, there are a lot of people who come. Were there a lot of people at these funerals? Yes. Because usually, it's like a recognition,

people will salute these people. Yes, no, no, it was full of people, but you know, it was a guy who liked the world, he liked people, and he was funny, he had a sense of humor, and he was hungry. He was a seller too, he worked in the public. You know, my mother too, you know, my two parents worked in the public. So you come and you play with people, you learn to know people, good times, bad times. So your son recognized him, but not your daughter. So it will be... Well, you know, in another way. Values are there.

That's it, family values are there. Yes. It's important when you talk about death, because it's true that often the first reflex is not to see the deceased person. There are times when they say, I want to keep an image of that person while she was alive. But at the same time, for the person who decides to be still there... Ah, I'm the opposite. It's not the physical shell, I don't care.

It's the essence. Yes. It's the opposite. It's not the physical shell, I don't care. It's the essence. It's the essence. If you hadn't lived that moment, you wouldn't be the way you talk to me with all that emotion, because what did it pass through? Yes, but it's recognizing it, it's reviving it. It's like a fruit. It's not necessarily the fruit with the plur cisteria ad that makes it bitter and sweet. But you said goodbye. Huh?

You said goodbye. Oh yes. In that way. Do you communicate with him? Do you have signs? Often. Well, no. I don't get into paranormal and all that stuff.

But yes, daily, often. And he makes me laugh. So I cry, but it's not dramatic. It's healing the way it comes out. But that's beautiful. It's love. Yes, it's not... I see love. Yes, that's it. It's love. It's not... You know, Dani Bouchard said not long ago on the microphone here that

he had never spoken to his father so much since he died. Because now he's was cleaning his memories. And there's a little bit of his father everywhere. And he understands the scale of the character that his father was with. He's jazzing with it. But I think it's beautiful. It's true that when you put it in the photos, in the memories, it's also a connection with that person.

Yes. It's important to keep that link. Yes. And then, to keep that link. Yes. And then, after that, you can work on yourself, you know, your more objective perspective, as time goes by. What does it do when... Because often for men,

the death of the father will get into them more because it's like you're the next one on the line. Did you see a responsibility coming with that? Yes, of course. And they add one child and two children. And grandparents, it's sure that it makes you question other things. Health, well, I gained weight, I don't eat well, okay.

Cholesterol, you know, it's a whole lot of other things. There's a responsibility of other things that come with it. Listen, we can't be perfect in the sense that we do everything we can with what we have. And I think that... But did it make you more conscious of the mortal side of life? I was already aware of that. You were already already knew that. You already knew that. I would tell you that...

I would tell you that, as I told you, I don't know for what reason, I have often been surrounded by people who left, and who left young. I lost very young friends, from accidents, so... People who...

from cancer tests, suicide, I've had, not death, but I'd rather say the passage than death, because for me it's not death. We're here to learn, we're here, it's a test, we're in an internship, we're in, you know, we're doing an internship here on life, you know, and it's full of tests, and then it's how we react to the tests. Yes, but that's what's nice about aging too, we realize how we often react differently. It's beautiful to see the experience of life, and this instinct that becomes more and more precise because the brain records all the experiences and it often protects us from dangers. To repeat them. Yes, it's true. But aging has its advantages. It does. We try to convince ourselves. Yes, but it's because we are often sent the image in the public space that it's beautiful youth.

Indeed, it's beautiful youth. We're not going to take anything away from this beauty. But in fact, our goal is to age as long as possible in health. So aging is part of life, but I find that there is something about a loose grip, not giving so much importance to details, to savour the present moment. And I feel like, I don't know if it's okay, but to age without becoming old, it's to keep that curiosity, that ability to marvel,

that generosity, to try not to isolate but to go to the other. Because it seems that there are young people who become old, and there are old people who will always be young. But it's the attitude I think we have in front of life and the experience we have in life. You know, when we count, you know, Jeannette Bertrand said one day, if we are a young Aïsable, then we do nothing, but we will become an old Aïsable. Because there are old people who are Aïsable.

But you know, being grey all your life, it's a difficult path. But to say, well, I want to do something else, it's that we can sing, we can sing, we can improve ourselves in life. We can work on ourselves, you know. Yes. Yes.

And... And it's beneficial. Well, yes, it's beneficial. And if you can share it with others and use it for something, well, you know, that's great, because that's what it is. All the beautiful things I learned, I often learned from people who went through very difficult trials. And to have, who can give me tools or ways to see things, or philosophies, angles,

how they came out, it helps me. No, no, no, I think that when you live experiences, and you realize that you want to grow and heal and understand, we are in a position where it would be very... it would be cheap not to share that with those who are open or who ask for it. Completely. Yes. You mentioned love, a life, so I want to ask you,

what type of lover are you? So I want to ask you, what type of lover are you? You're talking in an intimate way, but you're talking with my girlfriend, with my girlfriend. With your girlfriend, yes. Well, you know, I... I'm asking her, I don't know. Are you romantic? Are you nostalgic? I'm trying to be balanced, I think. I don't think I'm in excess.

I find myself balanced enough. If we go back to my first question of all, which was... What do you have to do to get along with yourself? Well, that's it. Every day I have to go back to a kind of discipline. So no matter what happens in our day or in our lives, I think that even as lovers, we try to come back to the first base where we are. You know, we have all the little moments. I told you earlier, we play or not.

It's our way, all the way, to allow ourselves a little 15 minutes when we're together to reconnect and you say, you know, because life goes fast, you know, and we have her on her side and me on mine. But I think that, I think communication is there, openness is there, abandonment is there. Okay, we have a good life plan. Because I met my sweet in a moment when I was good in my skin. It's been 7 or 8 years now.

I was already sober. I was already in deep introspection on a package of business. I had already done a lot of cleaning in my life. I had paid debts, I think, I had paid quite a bit. I was in a phase where I had overcome some challenges and I had given some bad habits to say, you will not have control over me. I was in a phase where, not that Iétais, I'd say, self-sufficient,

on peut pas dire ça, autosuffisant. Je dirais pas ça, mais j'étais correct. Je sentais pas que j'avais besoin d'une relation ou que j'avais besoin d'une autre famille. Je pensais, je trouvais pas que j'avais envie d'accomplir. I needed another family. I didn't think I had an empty space to fill. And that's when I met Romy. And that's when... It was all... It was all on my own. You were completely on your own.

And at one point, she wanted to be a little more. Well, do we see each meet on a regular basis? Are we exclusive? Are we going to stay together? Okay, we stay together. But wait, okay, I'm used to being alone. Okay, we stay together. After that, it was good.

It was about children. Are we going to have a dog? Okay, okay. So, OK, OK. So joyfully, it was coming. And there were parts of me that weren't really ready to let my comfort go. And a certain freedom because I liked doing yoga, I liked meditating for hours. I loved that, I love that. And then life has made it natural to let space and space magnetism or life go its way. And then, well, there's a baby later, and another baby is coming.

Oh, you have another baby, I didn't know that. Well, yes, certainly. We're due for the month of April. OK, it's there, it's soon. It makes me feel like I'm in love. For me, love is tenderness, but we also have to keep our essence. We have to learn to say no, and I think that's what a couple is. We try, we know our limits, OK, we're not going there. Look at that, I need this, you need this. It's really being on time and seeing what the needs of one another are.

But tenderness is important, intimacy is important, of course it's important, but I think that the balance in each of these spheres is important, which makes it... You know... The feeling that when I'm not there, I feel it well and autonomous, and I feel the same. We're happy to know that we get bored annoy each other, we talk a lot. So there is no cost of dependence. I don't really feel that. I feel less that I already felt when I was younger.

And fortunately. And then, but I also feel on the other hand, a trust and an abandonment and... a confidence and an abandonment. And then we learn from each other, you know, the dynamics. I can't talk about the other couples, I can just talk about what I'm going through. You grow through that. The sphere, you know, there's you, there's her, there's something in the middle that's you two. There are always moments, not joyful, but there are moments where we see that we put our

egos aside and listen to each other. And then it's like, OK, we take off our armor, who we are, and OK, you need this, you need that. We connect, we put our armors back on, and we continue, and we do our thing. There's friendship, there's complicity, there's friendship in there, there's respect, and it's beautiful. And do you live in Gaspésie? We don't live in Gaspésie, we live more in the corner of Lestri. And it's all recent.

So we have a foot in the ground in Montreal for work and everything, but she has roots that come from Lestri. So it's a bit like Sagaspésie to her. So, that's a different thing, which is perhaps not common as a couple life, I would say, because I have my Gaspésia where I will see my mother, I will see my son, my friends, my little daughter, and my Gaspésian roots in Montreal. It's more for work, it's more practical to be here. And then we develop more, who is closer to her roots, with her family, and everything. So I think it's fun.

There's always a side, I'm not going to leave the Gaspésie, but at the same time, I know that we wouldn't be well 24 hours a day in Gaspésie with me, who called you to do more shows in the metropolis or in a satellite. So you're a lot in your car anyway. Still a lot. A little more than I would like to be. And I tell myself, it's my vocation, it's that for now. For how many years yet, I don't know, but it's still that for now. So yeah. Are you a sedentary nomad? I'm a sedentary nomad and I'm a nomad sedentary.

In the sense that, you know, yeah. But the song still suits me well. Yeah, huh? It's crazy, your lyrics. Those lyrics were powerful. You were young when you wrote them. There was still a great maturity in your texts. Because you still represent them.

Earlier, when you did the correlation with your life and the clay prison, still current, it was still a powerful image of the clay prison. It's still current. Yes. It to date. It was a powerful image, and the clay still being up to date. It's crazy. Red level, my dear. You're not with Fizz. Switch today. Conditions apply. Details at fizz.ca. So, do you already feel like you've been underestimated? What is the definition of the popular court? At what point in your life did you have to stand up? Well, we've already had a lot of trouble with all these subjects already. We'll look at the fourth one. Have you already reached the end of your physical or psychological limits? What are the other ones?

I'll try to give you something that can help you with something. Have you ever had the impression of being underestimated? What was your decision? Often. Often? Did you have that often? Well, yes, but it's... It's okay. You say it's okay, but have you always said it's okay?

When you feel underestimated, it's still frustrating, isn't it? Until we let go, until we connect with something that is a joker who comes to say no to that. I mean, it's like I say, often a lot of things go through communication. The choice of words, the way to present yourself, the way to dress. I was at the disco, I was wearing four or five Felixs in my hands, but since I wasn't dressed well, I was wearing a cabochon, tatati. Now I go through Café de Flores, where I have make-up artists, make-up artists, and I'm all a little jet-set, and now I'm a narcissist because I take care of myself.

Listen, in Mamnée, it's not over. So... What we are inside of us, and what the world wants to label us or crystallize an image, we don't have control over it. We don't have it. So underestimating, yes, it happened often, but at my age, there comes a time when I want to prove the opposite. Yes, that's it. To what extent I want to... I did a little bit of being an actor, and then they clearly made me know in the middle

that I had not been to acting school, that I was not a real actor, that I did not have the necessary tools to be an actor. Okay, you didn't want to be there, I won't stay there. The same thing for... Would you do it again today? You'd say, well, I want to do this. Oh, if a director calls me and finds that I play an X role, or who wants to challenge me and who wants to give me the chance, well, certainly.

What Kev did, we have to say, maybe some of them didn't know about this film, but you know, you shared the story with Vanessa Paradis, among other things. Well, I wasn't on screen with her, but I understand the film. But you understand that she was in the same film as you. I mean, when there was the promotion, we could see you. Did you feel when you participated in this film that there was something that was sure, that it was really a new career that you were starting? Career, I'm not saying.

Experience, yes. Was it really a new career that you started? I'm not saying a career. Experience, yes. For me, it was a satellite experience, a little bit like what I was already doing. Because we make music, there's a look, people look at us. So we read, OK, well, there are cameras, there's a kinkery that comes with it. There are a lot of points that are similar to music and then to public image. So there are points, there are bases that are there. As a career, I would say that I quickly found out that I wasn't a real actor.

Ok, it happened quickly. Well yes. But Jean-Marc Vallée chose you. Yes. Do you know why he chose you? He liked my audition. I had done an audition and I answered to the character he wanted to portray.

And then... It was a great experience. I loved the discipline he came with. And to give up. Because when we write songs, we are a bit like our own director. We do our own things. We are our own producers. When you work in a film, what I liked was, you're a boss, he tells you what to do, you're a producer, you don't need to take care of all that, you take care of your role.

I thought it was... It made me feel good not to have the responsibility of all the rest of the quinquery that people don't see, but it's still responsibilities. I thought it was fun to give up on that. But... I thought it was fun to give up on that. But I also found that it was an environment where, you know, music at a younger age, I found that people were a little more... we work together, we help each other, we don't fight.

And then the environment, a little theater, actor, that I didn't know, I thought it was a little more competitive, I would say. And then, but in fact, it wasn't long that... Did you find it hard, that bit? It wasn't my first barbecue, as I told you. I always come back to that. Because it's public, you know. Yeah, but it's public, but at the same time, you shouldn't take it too seriously. OK, but it's too strong.

Well, maybe. But it's just that, you know, it's... I liked my experience. I found it super fun to work with others, you know. I liked it. So if they called you and the project came to you, you could do it. You would like to relive that experience. Yes, but I can't hold my breath. I understand.

Warning. I've got this condition where I don't feel pain. You're a superhero! No! This is how intense Nova Kane sounds. Oh wow! Imagine how it looks. Same old.

Yeah, big time. Nova Kane. Forming theaters March 14th. The heroes and company level. We're changing the director completely. You're going to give me four cards. We also chose one of that level. One day, I had a friend who was going to do a TV show. She called me before because she was shocked because she saw negative comments on something.

She said, I'm going to talk to them, I'm angry. I said, I don't know, maybe I've been doing politics for too long, but I'll talk to people who are there for me and not those who don't like me. In the end, why waste energy trying to convince people to love you? What is that? Talk to your heart and people will understand or not. But I think that when we manage to be on the defensive, if we become on the defensive, trying to convince others, I think that at that moment we lose our essence.

But it's tough sometimes. I know it's tough. It's bodies of suffering that win a living by weighing pitons. Sometimes you have to defend yourself too, I mean, we're not capable of that either. But when you have your audience, it's them you're talking to, they're already there for you. It's like the frantic cowboy, at one point, Carl had said, when we started, there wasn't that many people in our rooms. But we always sang for the full banks. And never for the empty banks.

That's beautiful. That image has always marked me so much, to say, no matter what you do, do it for the people who are present. And don't do it for the absent people, because then you're going to change your way of doing it. You're going to be a little frustrated to say, oh, finally, it wasn't full. And you know, when they say one day, well, there were only people in this room. But if you do it...

That's beautiful. It's beautiful, huh, as an image. So here are the questions, Eros and Companie. You answer one. Is sexuality a taboo in your family? What would you have liked to know about sexuality at 20? How has your intimate life evolved over the years? Are you comfortable in the sphere of intimacy?

Listen, these are all great questions. Look, you can read them. Well, listen, there is one that you would like to hear me answer more than others. Wait a minute, what would I choose? How has your intimate life evolved over the years? I felt at one point that sexuality could be like alcohol or like cigarettes, a dependency. And then where I really started to be enormously better in my skin, that's when I realized what those energies were, how to channel it, how to master it,

and how to use that creative force and how to make it rise, you know, internally. It was a beautiful moment. It took me some time before I got rid of certain patterns of sexuality, seduction and everything. But I think that in anything, you have to go deep into the barrel, you have to be bad. Sometimes you think you like someone, but it's not necessarily for their birth, but for sexuality. And then there's a problem. You say, oh, I'm not there for good reasons, and I'm not feeling good in there, and I'm not going to be controlled by sexuality anymore. So what can I do to transcend this feeling of vulnerability and dependence? And then that was the beginning of a and dependence.

And then it was the beginning of a great path. And I think that it's not something we talk about often, and it's not something I can play with my guys around a table, because it's not long before we get looked at, you know, hey, shut up, oh yeah, you know, well, we move on to something else. But since you're talking about it, I find that there are taboos in sexuality that shouldn't be there. There are other things that should be a little more controlled, maybe protected, maybe respected. But I think sexuality is a bit like alcohol.

Society is two steps, two measures. Somewhere we want to put it in front of us, but after that, it's up to us to take responsibility to know our own limits, because it's not over. You will never be satisfied by alcohol or sex. Never, never, never, never, never. You will never be satisfied by anything outside that pleases your senses. To fill something inside. To fill something inside. Never, never.

We talk a lot about drug dependence on alcohol. Did you know about drug dependence on sex? Yes. Did you already hear about it? Yes. That's why I've been telling you since I was young. So I've been going my way. I think I'm going back to another life that I've been healing for a long time. When you start, do you consider the change you've made? But it's not since yesterday. It's been a long time.

And as we were talking at the beginning, there are phases and cycles, but you know, I would say that my greatest liberation with alcohol and everything is to say, I see beauty, I see attraction, I see the power of attraction and sexual seduction, but I'm not at the mercy of that. I'm not... It's like saying, it's me who controls my own person. That's what's super interesting. You have to feel more free.

Yes, because that's it, you're not as vulnerable, and the temptations, because that's what it is. Because at the beginning, you try to escape that, and then, if you're old, so we don't have any more fresh flowers that are in your eye. But it comes one time, and especially, you know, I know we shouldn't talk about gender and nothing else, but for a guy, for a little guy, when you're put in a context

where sexuality is easier, to say no is, it's, it's, it's something else. To say, it looks interesting, but no, thank you. You know, it makes it more young, you know, it's a challenge. Well, I imagine in your life as a couple, it must have been a challenge too. Younger, yes. Today, no, because I don't organize myself to put myself in circumstances where to go looking for opportunities to allow these openings.

Which means that, you know, we come... If someone is in the regime, then you don't get excited, I mean. But even that... I know it seems like a rather nebulous answer, I'm aware of that, but all that to say that I see a very beautiful evolution from where I come in relation to sexuality to what I can live in my moments of intimacy today, which has nothing to do with the reason for which I practiced sexuality. Few people have spoken to me about this dependency on sex. It's not the first one to talk about it, but it's rare. And it's true that this form of dependency is still a taboo. And yet, it's like the game of seduction that takes a lot of space at a given moment when there is this dependence.

But when we channel it, it's another energy. Yes, and it's really... we were talking about meditation, we were talking about all these current times. But you wouldn't have to do meditation with your dependencies. Because you thought... Already at the time, I had started, as I told you, I had started... But after that, you have that in your face all the time. Before that, there was a time when we came, our time, we talked about that, sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. We know that.

Hey, I had a fume in my secondary school. Well, yes, but we were the same. It was not... It looked like Bad Boys and everything, but it wasn't that bad. No, no, no, no. At the limit, we had to go through that. It was just the usual.

So, well, today, we're over-analyzing everything we say, so I don't know what to say. Well, no, but you said a lot of things. You said a lot of things. But it's true that we're over-analyzing. But that's what I like about it here, Kevin, because since we take the time to talk,

we don't have to interpret, because we say everything. You know, it's just that when it's a clip, there's a great interpretation that can be done of everything that is said. But when we take the time to go deep into things, it's well... you know, even people's comments are not in the interpretation, they are in the understanding. And there are, it's sure, what you just told. They will say, OK, I, for example, I never wanted to talk about it, but I went through it. And sometimes it unlocks the word.

And that's good to hear that, okay, we're not alone in some issues, and that there is an after-effect too. Because there may be some who are in this problem, and all of a sudden, yes, it's possible, and there is an after-effect, and there is an after-effect, happy. And liberating. So, bravo to say that. Question Optoraiso. What would the little Kevin think of you? The big Kevin. Oh my God. That's cute. I think that... What would he think?

I think he would think I would be comforting, loving, protective and comical. I think we could laugh together. And yeah, I don't know. I think that's it. It makes you emotional. Well, it's beautiful because... What do you see when I say that? It's a bit of a trap question, but your question is good. It's because it comes back to taking care of the child,

and to correct the shot, and to, in a little while, to make a reminder to to remember where I was, and then a little time, you see where you have placed yourself in life, and all your pain and suffering, despite all that, it was worth it to not let go, and keep your back straight and say, trust me, but I'm coming back to the thread I had, you know. It's introspection, it's work, it's never in the wow, this little path there, but which is so comforting and healing when you see it afterwards with your question. So, you know, I would never have thought one day when I was young to be

well in my skin like I am today. Never in my life. I was so unhappy as a child that I could never have felt this inner space. Never, never, never. So I find that fun. I find that fun and I still have so much to learn. I hope to get through this and have energy and health to continue learning in the years to come. And in the next few months, I understand that you will be a new dad. And you are 30 years old since Jondard-Gilles. So I know I already have my tickets, I want to see you in the show in a few weeks. But I thank you for stopping, for opening your game with so much truth, sincerity, serenity too. I feel serene. I'm really happy with this meeting.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to play. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone and see you at the next podcast. This episode was presented by Karim Jonka, the Reference Ambassador for Care for the Skin in Quebec and by the virtual community Marie-Claude, the

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