Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #97 Simon Gouache | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

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Hello everyone, welcome to Ouvre Ton Jeu. I thank you for being here all the time because when I walk down the street, you are many to come and talk to me about a guest, often in particular, about a phrase that has struck you. And for me, that's doing useful work. When we invite them, because sometimes we say, I remember Pierre Curzis had asked me here at Ouvre Ton Jeu, but why do we trust each other so much? What is the point of this? Sometimes I remember Pierre Curzis had asked me here at Ouvre ton Jeu,

but why do we trust each other so much? What is the point of it? He was questioning this depth a little bit, and also the return to his memories. And I answered him, well, it's because it helps people. There's something in the sharing of his story that echoes among others, and it turns out to be true for each episode. And thank you for sharing these comments. It's greatly appreciated.

And sometimes I will thank people because, well, there are still several French people who listen to us or in Belgian or whatever. And then someone wrote to me, yes, yes, you thank people from Quebec, you thank people from certain European countries, but we are in Mexico and we listen to Open Your Game. So hello to the people of Mexico who are listening to us right now, we appreciate it a lot.

And also, I was talking to someone who had something to do with me for my professional life, who lives in Los Angeles and who walks about two hours a week to go to Palm Springs. So he says in my car, when I'm on the road, I listen, open your game. So I find it stimulating to hear what you do, read, what you do while you listen to the podcast. So thank you for sharing it. And now I'm going to read some comments. As I usually do, Isabelle says, I went out, I bought the game. So we see the new couple game, and I want to say it's also for dating. So it's the first meeting that sometimes we would like to know about the other without being too intrusive. So the game can help choose the questions, so ask the questions, choose them and can help

know the other one more. So, Isabelle, I bought the game to change the topics of discussions on a daily basis. Okay, so I realize that it must be the green game. You will understand why. Last night, my parents were at home. My father is 78 years old, my mother 74 years old. I decided to release Técarte, such a good idea. My father is not very good, but Técarte is a tool to undo languages. He was so invested, he listened to questions, analyzed them and responding with a lot of depth. And that's so much the goal. It's to let the other talk, to take the time. It's okay if we make fewer cards at the end. The idea is to learn to know the other and especially to listen to him. So that's the first game, it's the green game.

As I was saying, now you can go where the couple is going. Josée's comment tells us, your podcast with Vanessa Pilon shocked me when you talked about perinatal mourning. I lost my first child in July 1984, at 34 weeks old. It's as if a part of me had died. I'm 65 and I think of my little Hubert constantly. At that time, I had no psychological support.

I had to rebuild myself on my own. In my relationship, it's as if the subject remained taboo even after all these years. All your interviews are therapeutic, necessary and even essential. So, it's been several times that I've also experienced a perinatal mourning. It's been several times that. I've spoken to guests who have experienced this type of mourning several times. And each time, we receive many comments from people who wake up and accept to talk about it. For whom is it a taboo? Because, indeed, it is often a taboo, this form of mourning, because we have not known the child who died. So for those who didn't know him, who didn't carry him, there is something abstract,

but it doesn't prevent us from talking about it, because it's a mourning that we live for years. So thank you, Josée, for taking the time to make this comment, and we will obviously pass it on to Vanessa Pilon. And thank you, Isabelle aussi de partager le fait que de mettre des cartes sur table c'est un jeu mais c'est vraiment un jeu qui a une suite, un jeu qui nous apprend à connaître les autres. Je veux remercier nos partenaires qui sont toujours là, qui permettent d'offrir Ouvre ton jeu gratuitement sur toutes les plateformes. Le premier partenaire Marie Club,Club, c'est cet espace bien-être, mieux-être, qui a fait

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Je l'ai croisé à quelques reprises à chaque fois. J'ai eu des excellentes conversations avec lui. C'est un humoriste, c'est un gars qui a une grande profondeur, qui a vécu beaucoup de choses dans sa vie, auxquelles il a fait face. Et j'ai comme l'impression qu'aujourd'hui, il va nous partager He has a great depth, he has experienced a lot of things in his life that he faced. And I have the impression that today he will share with us the challenges that he had to face. And it's Simon Gouache. So I hope you will appreciate this guest. But one thing is for sure, we will learn to know him more together.

So, place to Simon. I always have difficulties with people who say, and I understand because I live it, but with people who say, since I have children, when I'm alone with my blonde or my chum, they just make me talk about my children. And they say it in a way that we have nothing to say or we don't have anything to say. And for me, for the live right now, I'm like... But it's still a topic of conversation and an insight that you have with a person that you will... There is no other person on Earth who can understand what you are saying right now.

No one. Zero. And I find that precious. It's a life project Zero. And I find that precious. It's a life project, kids. I find that precious. My daughter often does this. When she talks, she does this. She often does this. She puts her hand like this. And then, Miriam and I spend the day doing this. And then, OK, we're going to do this.

People understand. But she and I understand. And when she takes the time to do this, and when I take the time to do this, and that I take the time to do that, it's a mini attention, it doesn't change anything. It's not that it doesn't change anything, but in the sense that it doesn't ask for anything, it's not big, but it's just like, there's just you who can understand what I'm doing right now, and I think that's extremely expensive. Ouvre ton jeu is presented by Karine Jonquard, the skin care reference, available in nearly 1000 pharmacies in Quebec,

and by the Marie-Claude Club, which is a space dedicated to the best-being, where you can find more than a hundred master classes, led by experts, available on maricload.com. Table games, Open Your Original Game and the Couples Edition are available everywhere in Quebec and on Randolph.ca. I'm very happy today to be with someone I met on TV shows. And I really quickly connected with him through his story, through his way of telling himself. And I wanted to know more about this man,

and especially since you know him better, it's Simon Gouache. Welcome, Simon. Thank you, thank you. It's really a pleasure to see you. It's fun. You even made me do humor in life. Yes, indeed. Do you remember when Prière didn't send flowers to Chantal Maccabee?

You prepared a sketch and I had a role in your sketch. We played together, it was fun. Yes, it was fun. I think I was a psychologist. Can you do that? No, you played your own role. I played my own role. Yes, you played your own role. You were doing a kind of interview with Chantal.

And no, I remember it was really fun. Oh yes, you were like a great Chantal fan. Like, yes, but we learned that I didn't know her that well. It was really fun to do that. Yes, it was funny. But thank you for that. You know, it's fun when you arrive in an open environment like the one in the artistic world, because it takes us to places that we don't know.

It's like I never thought I'd have a text, learn it and play with you. Yeah, but you know what? I thought about that. It's funny, I thought about that yesterday or the day before yesterday. And I remember that, you know, I had written the text, and obviously when you write the text, you have your vision of the sketch, you know. And I remember that you told me, and that's really not everyone who does it, you told me, tell me how to say often have, you know, the ego can be a little big and sensitive. And I found that so generous of you to just tell me how to do them,

and I'll do them the way you want them. So I was telling you the line, you were repeating it as I was doing it, and we had made each line one after the other like that. And I remember being told, hey, that really takes a dedication and generosity, because it's really not everyone who does that. Really, really not. But what I like is the result. What we take is that we all work for a common result. So when someone writes, it's because you imagine it in a certain way. I didn't ask myself other questions.

I said, OK, I want to know how it goes in his head. And then the book, I didn't know you thought about it at that time. I remember, I thought about it yesterday. And I said to myself, how is it true how she had... Because it's already touching to say to someone, hey, I wanted it like that, when you're not a director. I'm not a director. And I know there are even actors who don't like to be told

how to play by a director. So we never know how the person will react to hey, that's not what I had in mind, do you mind doing it the way I had in mind? So there you go, it was all in your head. You know, I've always been sometimes demanding about certain things because I always tell myself, when you're the last person on the show,

because when you're on stage, when you're in the mood, you're the last person to deliver the product for which everyone has put their own, well, to be at the maximum, you have to understand what everyone is waiting for. From the start, if you say what you want, everyone has to understand it well. You have to be satisfied when the person who is the last person on the chain to deliver the merchandise makes the whole team shine because it's good. Because if it's not good, you don't make your team shine. So I feel that, I always have, all the time, like the final product, the ego is the final product, and not how I am in this delivery.

I understand, that's why. But how are you doing before starting the game? I'm fine, I'm doing great. It's been a long time since we last saw each other. I'm fine, I'm going to Merveille. It was my daughter's birthday yesterday, who was 4 years old. My son is 2 years old. He's in Merveille. They have an absolutely adorable friendship. It's close to my heart.

My son and I spend hours watching them play together, inventing new worlds. My daughter is a bit of a hard worker. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But whether she's a very big sister, very protective, or whether she's like, OK Lambert, you do this, OK you do that, you do that, you do that, and he just follows his instructions.

My daughter is into medicine. She wants to be a doctor or a veterinarian. So when she decides that Lambert is sick, she says, OK Lambert is sick! So he lies on his back and he can't be on his back for two hours. She checks his belly, ears, eyes, and puts some bandages on his head. Then she has to go get some plaster and he puts some plaster everywhere and he's just lying on his back. It's really, it's absolutely extraordinary to see. And how is your career at the Maurice? My career at the Maurice is going very, very, very well.

I'm finishing my third one-man show. I have a dozen shows left. We did the 250th last week in Quebec, so I'll have finished at 260 and a few. It was an absolutely extraordinary experience. I think it's the best show I've ever done. I've already started the fourth one. The next one has been in production for three months now.

So as soon as the tour is over, the real production work begins. I'm already very packed by the new material that I have and it will stay with me for not quite a year to improve it and make it to the level I want it to be

because I put myself out there myself with the third and for me it is not a question that the fourth one is... how to say... You want it to be in the middle? I understand. I want it to be like... Is he going to be better or is he going to be worse?

That's objective. I mean, it's... Nobody loses. There are people who preferred my first, who preferred my second. I think the third one is the best I've written and I want the fourth one to be even better. Always the best. Your last one is always the best. That's it, and I want the fourth one to be even better. Always the best, in fact. Your last one is always the best. That's it. I always want my last one to be my best. But at the same time, the humorists in particular, you talk a lot about yourself.

Your life is like the main source of inspiration. An actor will have a role, a singer has his chance. He composes, but I mean, inspiration is so personal. So your life is always your source of inspiration. I think it's necessary. To what extent do you talk about it or to what extent do you open yourself to your personal life? That's your discretion as an artist. But to put your life into what you live, what you feel, for me it is absolutely essential because

you can't connect with people if you love them. If you arrive at a party and pretend to be someone you're not, people will see it, they will feel it, you know? Whereas if you're honest and authentic, people will more easily connect to what you say or what you're trying to say. Humor is 100% connection, that's all. What's your relationship with the public? I'm very lucky. I have an extremely open and curious public.

But at the same time, what I like the most about my job is to surprise people. So when I feel that my audience already... Because I'm in a special period of my tour and my career. When I ask today how many people are watching my show, the vast majority didn't see me. We're talking about a big, big... What didn't happen in the beginning of the shoot. In the first 50 shows,

you ask who saw me in shows, everyone applauds, because they can't wait to see you. It's been a long time since they've seen you. But now that I'm in... I have another 140,000 tickets to do like that, which is a lot more than I've ever sold in my career. That means there are a lot of of people have never seen me. And I see it, when I ask him at the beginning, he never saw me in a show.

90% of the audience applauded. So that's the fun, because I think I worked hard enough, and I have what it takes to hang on to these people, and surprise them, and bring them to follow me as long as possible. But I also work hard to surprise people who know my humor, who follow me, who know my style, who know a little about my life. So I think that's especially what I like about my audience. Even when they're open, and when I present my first part, I've done several humorists' first parts, it's not always the same reaction when you're being presented.

I opened for Louis-José, and people knew with Louis-José that there was a first part, that it was a humorist who liked it, who had the taste to present, And you felt it in the reaction. So he accepted you from the start, because it's an extension of the first part. Not that he accepted you from the start, you still have your job to do. But he listens to you.

But they're open. They're looking forward to discovering what you have to do. While I opened for other humorists where people didn't know there was a first part. And then they came to see the artist, they were like, we have to get into 10 minutes with someone we don't know. And me, to see the artist, they were like, we have to get in touch with someone we don't know in 10 minutes. And me, to see that people accept my first part and welcome it like that,

just me, I know that it means that it's an open and curious audience. There you go. Wow. So you're happy. Very, very, very happy. I am extremely happy. I can't name you anything that's going wrong right now. I can't. Wow. I've seen it in moments that seem less beautiful. Oh yes, yes. Life is beautiful and down.

Life is beautiful and down. Is it good to open your game? Yes. There's a green level, which is a generic level. OK. Yellow level, we're starting to be more specific in connection with you because the game was... the questions were put there for you. OK.

Red level, we're still in a more personal area. OK. Red level, we're in a sensual or sexual level. OK. You'll see what you want to answer. OptoRaiso, it's the last question that always ends in softness opens your game. And you're a joker. If you think my questions are going too far, you want to move on to another question, you put it on the table and I'll change the question.

I'll keep it precious. So you can put them on the table because they are quite big. You give me five. Of all the vests? Yes, you choose five, I'm going to read them to you, you're going to choose one to which you're going to answer, and I'm going to choose one too, to which you will have to answer. To which I don't have the choice to answer? Yes, that's it, there's one you don't have the choice. Put your joker.

One, two, three, four, five. Thank you. So I read the questions. To take care of myself, I must. Which person made a difference in your life? What are you afraid of? What do people reproach you most often? What is your worst flaw? Hmm, I'm comfortable answering all of them.

OK. Hum... What do people repro you the most often? I'll let you choose the one that will put me in the negative, if you want. So I'll take the positive. Okay, which one is it? I'll take... to take care of myself, I have to. Yes, okay, go ahead. What do you have to do? I have to train. I have to move.

To tell you that I would never have thought of saying that in my life, I hated training, but to die. I did sports in my life, I played hockey, I played golf, but training, you know, going to the gym and jumping on boxes and doing push-ups and lifting weights and doing chin-ups, I hated that to die. But to die. It didn't make sense. Ah, opened for the Bougerosé, he trained very regularly. He told me one year, with the career we have and that you, according to me, you will have, you don't have the choice. You don't have the choice to be in shape physically because it's a lot of shows, it's a lot of tournaments, it's a lot of performances.

So I really forced myself at the beginning to go. I have a private trainer, I always train with the same person. And I told him, in all honesty, if I didn't have a trainer with me, I would never go to the gym. I would be incapable. It takes someone who tells me to do this, who is stupid until he's 10, and who makes sure I do it until I'm 10. Because I'm not saying I have a personal discipline. It's important what you say because sometimes we say to start, you can go with a coach, it will motivate you. But it's true that even if you do it for a long time with the coach, the day is no longer there, the motivation falls back.

Sometimes we are made to believe things and I find that after that we are disappointed, but no. I have a lot of respect for people who are able to go to the gym alone, to motivate themselves alone. I see it at the gym where I go. It's more of a small gym. There are people who come and you're like, but who, who, who, nobody has the strength to do that. Why do you do 12 when you can do 9? Nobody will tell you you did 9.

And there are people who are capable. I'm not capable. It takes someone with me who will push me, who will make sure I do it to the end, with whom I can discuss between the different exercises. When I'm not available for my training or when my trainer is not available, the group classes help me a lot because often they will arrange themselves so that there is a rotation. So you have to follow the rhythm because otherwise you slow down the group. So it gives you a kind of...

And everyone encourages each other. It's fun. It's let's go, we're capable, okay, everyone. So... But that, listen, training myself as much for my personal, physical life, it's for sure that to do my things, I'm more fit. I'm more... I have more energy, but for my mental health, it doesn't matter. If I don't train for a month, everything being physically active helps me in all aspects of my life,

in all aspects, whether it's in my career or with my children, or in my own head or just... I see it when I come back, and I train regularly like 3 or 4 times a week. And when I come back, I feel it, everything is easier. I get up in the morning and say, hey, today I have to do this, this, this. It seems like a mountain to me, I would never be able to do it. And when I come back from the gym, I'm like, okay, let's do it, let's go. Just to be your metabolism is moving. And I'm not... I mean, I eat well. I'm not a freak to eat healthy. I drink beer when I feel like it.

I eat chips when I watch hockey. It allows me to be so much more free and lighter, to take care of so many things. Beyond the fact that I can jog longer and I'm less breathless at the end of my shows, the creation... I'm creating a show, my fourth show, which will be released in less than a year. But I know how much going to train will make this show better. Just mentally. How many years have you known how good it is for you? I started training regularly. It's going to be maybe 5 or 6 years, maybe. 5 or 6 in

that area. That's when it makes a difference in your life. Well, it's when, in my year, the first time it was scary, the first time I went to train, I came back from there and I was like, I can't believe there's people who do that to you and Jo. I can't believe it. It's what makes you happy. I was coming back from there and I was like, I can't believe there's people doing this to you and Jo. I can't believe it. It hurts everywhere. And at the beginning, when you're training, you don't have the energy and you don't have the physical form

that you thought you had. So you feel like, I don't even have the form. And you have the taste of giving up. And that's what having a trainer who texts you when you have a meeting at 10 or 15, and he texts you saying, you're not there. You have a trainer who texts you when you have a meeting at 10, 15, and he texts you saying, You're not there? You have a feeling of... So you have even more of a desire to go so as not to disappoint that person. And I'm really scared to disappoint people in life when I leave.

So it helps me to go there. But it's a... It calms your anxiety. Because you're a great anxious person. Yes, I have anxiety problems in life. I couldn't just do that. There are other things I do in my life that help me a lot to control my anxiety. But training is... It's not just the 15 minutes of tapis, it's the community. I go to my gym, I know everyone.

Hey, how are you? How was your show yesterday? But you know what you're talking about? There was a study that was done in the United States over 50 years. And the results came out two years ago. It was at Harvard University. Even John F. Kennedy was in the initial studies. He died on the road. It started with men from Boston, either from the University of Harvard, so more fortunate men, and also men who came from other working-class backgrounds.

And over time, they added the children, the women, of these men. And what makes us happy? What are the elements? And there, they were taking meaningful steps. I mean, it was really laborious. And one of the things that came out that makes us have a happier life is the weak links.

And the weak links are what you just described. They're not friends who necessarily know your life, but that's what you just described. They're not friends who know your life necessarily, but that's what we missed in the pandemic. These weak links, we didn't have them anymore. It's people who know you, who recognize you. You can go get your coffee in the morning, and it's always the same person who serves the coffee. This link is important.

So you're recognized there. Well, listen, I see it. But it's beyond the gym. We were talking about it earlier, outside of the micro, in the closed micro. I moved to the South River about two years ago. It's going to be a little more than two years.

I grew up in Montreal. I grew up in their bubble. They do their business. Walk in your line. And when I arrived in Banlieue, in a neighborhood where everyone is greeting each other, you're going to withdraw money, you're going to withdraw 20 bucks at the cashier, and you can talk for 20 minutes with the receptionist.

And then the cashier sends it to me every day, going to pick up my children, and coming back, the cashier of the grocery store, hey, how are you? And it makes you happy. You just arrive at your place and you're like, damn, I'm so good. It's nothing, it doesn't need to be. As you say, I've never heard that term. It's not engaging.

I've never heard that term. How do you say it? Weak bond. It's weird to say weak bond, we understand. It's not an engaging bond. It's a spontaneous bond. But that greeting, you made me think, I had a brigade too, when I was going to drive the kids to school for years,

we just did all the... with me and the kids, we did bye bye, and it looked like we were smiling until school. Exactly. That's exactly it. So for me to go to this gym, which is not a big gym, it's very small, but beyond, that's it, beyond 15 minutes of cardio, beyond just, it's always the same world, we know each other, we appreciate each other, we encourage each other. You know, when I train myself, sometimes my coach, she pushes me,

and then I hear them, the others, let's's go Simon, let's go, take up. Juste ça, cette communauté-là, moi je ne pourrais plus jamais me passer de ça. Donc voilà, pour prendre soin de moi, il faut que j'aille à mon petit gym. Mais je pense que ça va allumer les lumières. On arrête, des fois je fais juste arrêter. Des fois je marche, je m'en vais me chercher un get a coffee and I just stop at the gym. Just drink a coffee and then, hey, how are you? Hey, you know, you know, this exercise, just jizzing with the world. It's like...

In any case, it's... But it's also existing. Ah, it's incredible. It's existing. And you know, I also think that, you know, when we do volunteer action, among other things. You know, when we get involved, that's also often, I tell people, I've always been involved, and I think it calmed me a lot internally, because you're part of a small community

that has a common goal. We're not friends in life, but when we go there, we have a common goal and we're happy to do it together. But I also think that... We'll move on to another question, sorry. I talk a lot. But I think that... I think that it calms also, how to say, the context in which we live. At the moment, we're living this.

The political context is very tense with Trump, the 51st State and the rates and all that. And it's easy to let your head go with the environment, politics, all that, and just get up already anxious about all the life that can fall on your head at any time. So when you take the time to talk and realize that 100% of the people who mentor me are good, kind, generous people. So you're like, OK, there's hope, it's going well. If there aren't as many people as that, there aren't as many bad guys. The majority are extremely nice.

And that's the thing. The weak links, that's it. It's like, OK, we're going to be fine, I think. Because the world is end. The world wants to be happy and do good around them. So, that's it. The question I'm going to ask you, what do people reproach you most often?

I think I'm an outspoken, I think it's rude for people around me. I think I tend to... I do it less, I think I did it, but... I'm the kind of person who, if we have a meeting and I don't feel like going, I won't go and the next day I'll find myself like, hey, I'm sorry, I'm an inventor. That's my big, big, big problem. You could have chosen one or the other question. What is the default? It's the same thing.

Does it make you say white lies? I mean, to shine? A lot. Listen, I think that when someone is honest, but I don't do it a lot with people in general, but you know, I pay my ticket like the last day. I'm not the kind of thing to do like, you know, when it's written like pay before March 24th, but I pay it on March 24th at 11.45pm.

I always tend to postpone everything. Fortunately, I don't do it much in my job. My manager, with whom I've been working for a very long time, it's mostly this, it's like, hey, I asked you last week, I need you to give it to me, I need this, I need that answer, I need that thing. Does that put you under pressure? Yes, but it's better, because otherwise there's nothing to do.

It's like you put it yourself.. It's like if you put it on yourself. Otherwise, nothing will happen. Exactly. So at the same time, it dissolves, it takes you online. I think people who know me are able to juggle with that. The fact that if they need it for Friday, they will ask me for it on Tuesday, knowing that it will take me three days just to answer, yes, okay, I'll take care of it. But someone who doesn't know me,

who's like, I need it for Friday. It can be very good that in two weeks, you text me like, where are you? What's going on? I have no news from you. That's something I'm not proud of myself.

And that's what I'm most blamed for. When, now I do it less. But when you said you ran away earlier, for an appointment, And that's what I'm most blamed for. Now I do it less. But when you said you were running away for an appointment, do you feel like you say yes too easily? Yes, I say yes too easily, but I have the difficulty of saying no. That's my problem.

Yes, I say yes to things, sometimes on the neck. It happens, let's say, you try to say yes to events, and then you come across, and you're like, I'm watching TV, tonight, me. You know, it happens, you know, and you say, I should have known that. I get that regularly. Well, that's it. Except that, you know, the perfect example is, now it happens less because with the children, I see less my friends, but you know, and it's normal common for me because with the kids, I see myself and my friends. But you know, it's normal.

But let's say, when I didn't have any kids, when I lived in Montreal in my early thirties, when someone texted a group, Hey, are we doing something tonight? If I couldn't, instead of saying, Hey, I can't, I just didn't answer. People were like, Simon, are you waiting for me? I didn't answer. People were like, Simon, are you listening? I didn't answer. The next day, I said, did I not read your message?

And Lémond was like, yes, you read it. It's just that. In what state were you at that time? For example, what prevents you from answering? Deceiving people. Par exemple, qu'est-ce qui t'empêche de répondre? Décevoir les gens. J'ai énormément de difficulté à décevoir les gens dans la vie. Pis à... Pas à confronter parce que je suis vraiment pas quelqu'un de confrontant,

mais de... Je sais pas, on dirait que... Est-ce que toi, les gens te déçoivent? C'est une bonne question. Rarely. I'm pretty... No, I'm pretty... I'm pretty good at making things like, OK, we'll go first and we'll arrange things. But I'm working a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot on that right now.

I'm working a it a lot right now. I'm working on it a lot. And what happens if you disappoint someone? I feel bad. I don't feel up feel high. I'm going to feel that I haven't been able to fulfill my responsibilities. So that's just it. But I know that the alternative, my brain knows that the alternative is not better than just ignoring my problems or my commitments, but I like it better... I like it better when people... It seems like when you're a fugitive, when you're an inventor, you like it better when people are disappointed with you without them telling you.

Do you understand what I mean? I like it better when people tell me, now he's disappointed with me, rather than telling me, I'm disappointed with you. Because I said, say, he's disappointed in me right now, rather than saying, I'm disappointed in you. Because I said, hey, tomorrow, I can't be there, finally. I'd rather not be there, and say, he's disappointed in me right now, but I don't have to deal with him. You don't want to hear it.

I don't have to be disappointed. So it's like it didn't exist. It's something I'm really not proud of myself. but it's my biggest flaw. I understand, but I like to hear you talk about it. What's going on? Because maybe this person isn't disappointed, and you think she is. She wouldn't be if I was honest by saying, like, hey... And when you say you work hard on yourself, what do you do? I try to be more empathetic.

I try to put myself in the person's shoes. You're very strong. What do you do? I try to be more empathetic. I try to put myself in the person's shoes. And to do... I've done it a lot with my children, with my blonde. I'm a sleeper. I like to sleep. I've always slept late in my life. And the first moments with my children were very confronting for me because I'm used to it. I've been at Morris for 15 years, I had no children. I got up at 11, 11.30, noon, regularly. When you work at night, like me, you often go to bed at 2, 3, 4 in the morning, naturally, because you're working, you're on the road, you're driving, you get home, you just had a show, so you're not tired. You'll meet friends, all that.

I was very used to getting up late in the morning. And the arrival of my children, it all shook. And it happened often where I was lying down, and I heard my children wake up, my daughter, but I was just like, I was just like, ignoring it because what I want is to sleep. Simon likes to sleep. Simon feels like he needs 15, 20, 30, 45 minutes more sleep. Then one day when I did...

Hey, put yourself in the place of the table, who should handle all of this. And I just get up and say, Oh, you woke up? Oh, I didn't hear what was wrong, because I heard them. I just ignored the fact that I wanted 15 minutes more, or half an hour more,

or sometimes an hour, two hours more. And it was to put myself in his place that I did like, no, it's really not cool on my part, but really not cool. And it changed. And yes, sometimes I wake up with my eyes a little glued, but at least I have the impression that I no longer run away from my responsibilities. You're where you have to be. Exactly. That's it. have to be. Exactly.

That's it. That's a nice franchise. I'm not proud to have done it. But at the same time, you're not proud to have done it, but you recognize it. Yes, definitely. When you recognize it, it's also a bit of a life saver. To improve. In any case, to correct what is bothering us personally.

Yellow level. You'll give me four. The bra, we'll give you four. Yes, you choose one and I choose one. Same service. One below, one above. Thank you. You give me four.

Oh, four! Excuse me, you're right. Yes, yes. Here, the? You're right. Thank you. So, you're becoming more personal. Are you a son of a mother? I can say yes to 100,000%. We won't even choose that one. Wait, I'm going to ask you this.

What impact does criticism have on you? Are you the one who didn't feel up to the level? Did you neglect certain aspects of your life? I'm going to talk about criticism because it's the answer that comes to me the least easily. Are you able to not... No, excuse me. What impact does criticism have on you? Yes. Criticism... When you say criticism, I'm talking about... how to say... popular criticism. That is, in relation to what you do professionally.

Yes, exactly. Yes, absolutely. Because for me, there are two types of criticism. I've been working with the same people for a very long time, especially on my one-man shows, and these people have an honest, non-filtered attitude. When they tell me, «Simon, that's really bad», they say, «without any filter», and that's what I want. I need that for 100%.

I can disagree. It happens that we sostine. I've been working with the same people for... my God, now eight years. And we have an honesty, an openness, with each other, who are... As I said, it's without a filter. And that makes me think that I'm a better humorist,

and that I work hard, and that I always want... Everyone is dedicated to finding the best idea possible. No one flattens me in the sense of the skin just to make me happy. But that's to be well surrounded. Because sometimes, being surrounded by people who are far away from us, we don't move forward. But to be surrounded by people who are real and who want our good somewhere. That's extraordinary. When you find that,

the fidelity comes afterwards. So that criticism, and you know, for this person, my manager, who is a person I respect enormously, for someone I respect a lot, for whom I have a lot of love,

sometimes she gives me something to do. Sometimes you get away from her. You're not serious, I have no news about you, I don't think you work hard enough. And it comes to me to make you say that. You're like, OK, it's much more fun to say that you're wonderful, everything is beautiful, everything is fine, and my God...

And I need that. So this side of criticism, I need it. As for criticism, it's popular whether it's journalists or people who write to you after the show saying like, hey, I could have liked that or hey, that was good, that was... I think that... I've been wondering about this for a long time. I've had very good critics in my life, I've had very bad ones. Your first reflex against the very bad ones is to say they don't know what they're talking about Ton premier réflexe face aux très mauvais, c'est de dire ils savent pas de quoi ils parlent. Et ton premier réflexe face aux très bonnes, c'est de dire eux y ont compris. Mais c'est pas ça. Tu comprends? C'est... pis moi-même...

Je... je regarde beaucoup... Tu sais, moi je regarde beaucoup de séries télé dans ma vie. Je regarde beaucoup de films. J'adore ça, tu sais. C'est très rare que je vais pas voir une critique avant de commencer la série, I watch a lot of TV shows in my life, I watch a lot of films, I love it. It's very rare that I won't see a critic before starting the series, to know, do you spend my time listening to this? What did people think of it? I hesitate between three at the moment. Critics say what? How does this one seem to be the best? That's the importance of the criticism.

I use it 100%. I use it 100%. Except that someone who is hesitating between three shows, who will see... I'll do like, you know, follow your heart, follow... But I don't even do it for myself, you know? So that's why I'm telling you that it's the answer that comes to me the least easily, because I don't think there's really an answer. There's no... But if you read a bad critic, does it ruin your day?

Yes. So you take it personally. I think all artists... Yes, because it's personal. You live too. One negative comment will beat 3000 positive comments. Absolutely. I challenge any artist. You can say it it doesn't affect you, it's fine, but I challenge any artist.

Sometimes it fades faster. It depends on what the criticism is. Sometimes it's unfair too. Sometimes you have the impression that the person already had a share before writing the criticism she had write the criticism before the show, for example. But it's about being able to... I think it also depends on what we live in our daily lives. There are periods that are more complex, that are more difficult. Because when you're alone on stage, when you have a criticism, it's hard not to take it personally too. It's hard not to take it personally too. It's practically impossible. Basically, it's practically impossible. And... Have you ever called a journalist?

Never. My father has already done that. Really? My father has already written to... He has already politely sent a journalist for a walk who had made me a bad critic. That's funny. It was especially very surprising at that moment in my career.

Especially in the beginning. My father, today, we're like that. But especially at the beginning of my career, it stressed him out, what I was doing in life. It was hard to convince. When he did that, for me, it was like... It's like adversity united you. Yeah, exactly. But that's it, I mean, I think that from the moment you expose yourself,

you have to live with the consequences. And from the moment you decide not to expose yourself, you have to live with the consequences too. I would really like that, me, not to have criticism and that no one criticizes my show. But at the same time, I would like people to see it. And I want people to see it. And I know that criticism makes sure that people will perhaps want to discover it.

It's for sure, because as soon as you expose yourself... So if I expose myself to Well, that's for sure, because as soon as we expose ourselves... So if I expose myself to criticism, I can't say, like, ah, it's not a good criticism. Have you already changed things after the criticism you've read? Uh... I don't think so, no. Okay. I don't think so. Honestly, I've had more good criticism than bad.

But I got criticism. My second show was well received, but without any particular praise. I would say that on the spot, it had affected me a lot. And you see, I hadn't even thought about it before you talk about it there. So I think that criticism... For me, I deal with criticism the same way I deal with a lot of things in my life. That is to say, now is not the time to make decisions. I did anxiety, it helps you a lot to do that too.

When I see people, I have friends who are anxious, I meet people. Sometimes I'm like, now is the time to just live your anxiety, don't make decisions. It's not you who's thinking, it's your anxiety that thinks about things, that sees things, that interprets things. It's not you. Just go through the storm. When the storm is over, you'll make decisions. So I think it's the same thing for critics. When you have a critic that you don't like, you don't even need to be a bad critic.

I remember, in my head, my second one-man show was the best show in the history of humor shows in Quebec. In my head, it was like that. I arrived and I did... They can't say I'm not the next Yvon Deschamps. It's impossible. I mean, so, and when it was received with a, yeah, it's good, he said, yeah, there are good things, it's good. He said, there are a couple of things with a, yeah, yeah.

One, it can shock you at first. After that, I think it will make you more humble, and eventually you won't even think about it anymore. So I try to... I already anticipate it, my fourth, I know it, I'll live it in a day. You'll live it, well yeah. In my head, if you tell me right now, predict the critics, it's written, the genius of his generation, you understand, but it won't be that.

Even if my show is extraordinary. But that pushes you up, for example, to think like that. That you're doing the best show. Yes, but after that you expose yourself to natural disappointment. Because people won't say that I'm the genius of my generation. It's impossible, I'm not. You understand? But you think so when you do it. I don't think I think so, I think I expect it.

I think I have a lot of confidence in my abilities. I'm someone who is very on stage, I know what I'm doing, I love what I'm doing and I think I'm doing very well. I often say that you don't think my humor is good, I have no problem with that, but no one will say that I'm not a good humorist. For me, that's my minding when I work, to do like, you have the right not to like my humor, it's all pretty correct, there are a lot of humorists that people like, I'm talking about the back of the world, that a lot of humorists that a lot of people like, that I personally,

completely different, it's art, it's like that, a painting that will join people. But when you practice... I want someone who comes out of my room, it didn't join me, but he knows what he's doing. He's a professional, that's it. Clearly he's made to do that. You're on your X when you're on stage. Exactly. So I have a lot of confidence in that.

But... I... I... Caroline, I forgot my idea. But we were talking about criticism. That is to say that you see, you hope for this title. Yes. Because you... In fact, today's criticism will maybe more... will not affect what I think of myself.

If my fourth show is received in a correct way, it won't be like, ah, I'm less good than I think. It will just be like, ah, I didn't work as hard as I think. It will affect me in the same way. But I think that with time, with experience, I've reached a level in my career where you can't really make me believe that I'm not a good comedian. You can tell me that I didn't work enough,

that I took things for granted, that I didn't force myself, that everyone, all artists are sensitive to that. They can eventually take it a little for granted and do like... Okay, I let myself be dragged by the current a little. What you're saying applies to everyone. When you acquire experience, when you feel that you are in the right place, you are less vulnerable in life. When you acquire experience at the beginning, from the journey, you also see your audience say what they want. It's still for them, the first ones.

But you're right, a good critic will sell more tickets. So it's important. It's not just the tickets. I saw it for my third one-man show, which came out a little over two years ago. I worked really hard on this show. I did 90 shows of rodages and it took me a lot of time. I thought it was really good. For me, it's important that critics say it was good.

It's important beyond the bias, beyond making an ad saying that this newspaper said that, like, the newspaper, such a newspaper says that. To make, like, to value the work. And then, as you said earlier, the team, you know, me, the night of the premiere, I have the weight of the whole team, all the people who made the promo, who made the, who helped me to work the show, who are there with me for a year, who followed me on the road for a year to get some grades. I don't want to disappoint them. I want their work to be rewarded.

The only real reward for a first year is a good review. So naturally, you want it. You don't want it to be a failure. You want to celebrate it with your team. Well, that's it. So to come back to the question, it's really, it's hateful love that you just have to accept. You can't, it's always like that. Whether it's a journalist or whether it's someone who says, I saw all your shows, the last one is the worst. You have to accept that. You have to accept what it does to you. If it's worth it, live your pain.

One day, you'll feel less pain. But it doesn't give you anything to try to do. Like, oh no, it doesn't do anything to me. Or, oh my God, I'm just doing, oh, it's worth it. Live there. Tomorrow, you'll feel a little less pain. Then tomorrow, a little less pain. And the next day, after. it's worth it, live there. But it's going to last me longer. Tomorrow, it's going to be a little less painful, then tomorrow a little less, then the other after. It's the space that we give to it. Well, that's it, exactly. But the question I'm going to choose is obviously that one.

Are you a son to mom? Tell me. Well, listen, my mother, she's one of the most important people in my life. It's not the most important. It was for several reasons. My mother is an extremely strong, extremely driven person who made she had to face criticism a lot. And I have a lot of respect for that. My mother is a pioneer in her field. And it was easy to let go of the family mother side, which she never did with my brother and me. And I feel it, my mother often asks me, do you think I wasn't present enough? Even today, I'm 40 years old, and she asks me, were you there when you were young?

I'm like, yes, man. Yes, on Thursday you finish late and we ordered you to be there. What was the reason? Can you tell us? Well, my mother fought for the rights of women for a long time, for the right to abortion. In years when it was very badly seen, when it was almost illegal. So that's something, it's a cause that she held on her shoulders all her life. She did a lot to get things moving. She was in court, in court very often in her career to get things moving, to change things, to change mentalities. She faced demonstrations in front of her clinic. She faced threats.

Because your mother is a doctor. Yes. And for me, that's a respect I'll have for her forever. Beyond that, she's an extremely generous person. Which has kind of lured me, for example, to this side of not knowing. My mother, she likes it the same way. As much as I have an enormously good side of my mother, I think, as much as what I see today as an adult, and seeing like,

OK, that's my mother, she lashed out at me, and... It's maybe less. Yeah, OK, that, that, that, I might have, it might have passed. But, at the end of the day, she's a person who leaves no one indifferent. My mother goes into a room, she would go in here and everyone stops talking. She's a person who triggers...

And I think she licked me, and I think it appears on stage, who triggers an aura, a light that is sensational, that she cultivates herself by being at the height of this image, that is to say, a person of great kindness, who is open, who is curious, who is kind to everyone. So, that's it.

I'm a son to my mother, but I talk to my mom every day. I need her advice on everything I do in my life. I couldn't spend three days without talking to her. For me, she's my strength, she's my rock. So yes, very, very, very, very son to my mother. Is your mother happy? In any case, she appreciates seeing you also evolve in the sense that you found a way to calm down this anxiety. Because I imagine that for a mother to see her son have an anxiety that can at the limit be paralyzing at certain moments,

we would want to live that in its place. When you are a mother, then have to see that you have grown up. Yes, that's well said. And my mother also lived with my brother, my brother who also has anxiety disorders and who lived, in his case, situations that were really not facing life worse than me, I would say. She was... When I told you she was going to let me do things, I was like, OK, that's not my best side. I'm like, I'm going to take control of everything. I'm not a control freak, but I'm like, I'm going to do it.

She's going to let me do it, I'm going to take care of it. My mother is very like that. My mother will tell me, Hey, do you need to do this? And she'll bring me food. And I'm like, I'm fine. Everything's fine. She's like, no, but...

So I'm very like that too. And she could have, in the case of my brother and me, tried to take everything on her. I'm like taking everything on me. It's me, the to take everything on her. I'm the kind of person who takes everything on me. I'm the one responsible. I'm going to stop everything. I'm going to take care of it. And not because I think it's better to do it than anyone else. I don't like seeing someone being hit.

I hate seeing someone being hit. It's a pain in the ass. My mother is like that, but I think she also helped us a lot to do our own things. She realized that you never heal from anxiety, but you don't take the pain without doing your own means. She let you find your way, in relation to how to calm down this state. Yes, really. How would you define anxiety? There are so many.

What is the way you live it? I can't explain how I'm going to be able to live today because I don't really remember, I remember a little bit how I lived before I took it, before I became aware of it and worked on it. Because as I said, you don't cure anxiety. No. You can. But for me, I think that what I like to say often when I talk about anxiety, it's something that I would have liked to hear when I lived with it and I didn't have a choice. Anxiety can be very negative, it can hurt, it can be painful,

but it can also be an extremely strong tool. Because anxiety makes you focus on things, that you put a lot of importance on things. Yes, if you put importance on negative things, it's going to be difficult, but you can also... Me, my anxiety makes me focus all my energy on my job, on humor, on making people laugh, and it makes me make people laugh and make people happy. So, anxiety, I think you can't erase it. I think you have to protect it.

There's an image that I often use, and I think I even used it in one of your shows. Anxiety is a wild horse. When you have a wild horse that you can't control, it will jump the fence, it will run away, it will attack you. It will be dangerous. But if you learn to tame this animal, you will have a horse. And you will go faster than everyone else.

Because everyone will be on your feet and you will be on your horse. So that's a lot. I find it a bit banal. No, but your definition is interesting. For me, that was it. For me, that was when I realized, and that's what psychotherapy did. I take medication in life, I train myself regularly, all that. But I met, I had several psychologists in my life, but there was one in particular who managed to show me my anxiety in a completely different way,

and to make me use it, use it, these little, these little kind of obsessions that anxiety gives you. The day you're going to be able to put them on something positive, it's just going to give something extraordinary, you know? What I'm able to do today, what I'm able to do on my job, on my children, but it still makes sure that there are plenty of... I hate to have dirty hands in life. I hate that, to die, I don't know why. I don't think it's a slap, but it's just... When I see them paint, I have to leave the room.

At this point? I'm not able to see them with dirty hands. I'm not able to. And I know that's my anxiety that does that. And I know I'll never be able to get over it. Several years ago, it would have made me... All of this would have made me eventually convinced that I was a bad father. You understand?

Just to do like... You're not able to see your children paint. That means you're not able to see them have fun. That means you don't want them to have fun. That means you don't like them. That means you weren't ready to be a father. And now it's gone. And today it's just like, GASMON.

Take a breath, go to the basement while they're painting, when we go back upstairs, we're going to clean, it's all the paint that cleans well. And it makes me feel like I'm very applied to clean the paint stains on their hands and on their nails. So it's just... The obsession that anxiety brings me will be there. But you're facing it. I'm facing it and it's up to me to decide.

There are drugs that... When people often talk to me about medication, all that, and you know, taking medication, you're not winning at... what's the word? Automedicated? Yes, I have been self-medicated for a long time in my life with alcohol, but at... What's the word, my God? At... I just have the word? My God! To... I just have the English word, I'm sorry.

To... To name... Collin. Excuse me, the word... To... To... To... And there are a lot of people who think that T'engourdir. T'engourdir, OK. Voilà, voilà le mot que je cherche, t'engourdir. Pis y'a beaucoup de monde qui pensent que la médication, ça sert à ça, c'est-à-dire

à couper tes récepteurs par rapport au mauvais pis de faire comme, tout va bien, tout est beau. C'est pas ça. De ça, t'avances à rien. Tu fais juste pelleter par en avant. Oui, oui. Pis de changer de personnalité aussi. Pis t'engourdir pis de faire comme, rien qui m'affecte, rien qui m'atteint. Oui. You can't just go ahead and do it. You can change your personality. And you can get carried away and do like,

nothing that affects me, nothing that touches me. That's not the goal. The goal is that you never heal from anxiety. You will always have, you will always focus on things. Your head will always go... I do rheumatoid anxiety. That means that when something happens to me, it will prevent me from sleeping.

I will think about it non-stop, non-stop, non-stop, non-stop, and to create myself, to convince myself of certain things. When I told you that this could lead me to convince myself that I was a bad father, I mean, when I already was... A long time ago in my life, I thought that my friends didn't even like me for real, that they were paid by my parents to support me, because I didn't see how they could appreciate me as a person. You end up convincing yourself of certain things.

But these are scenarios that are complex at the same time. I don't have that anymore, but obsessions are still there. It's just that now I'm able to direct them elsewhere. That's how I live my anxiety today, which is not healed. The training we talked talking about earlier, it became an obsession. It became, I always want... If my coach tells me, like, hey, you went to the party two months ago,

you did it in so much time, and now you just did it in so much time, she just did it this week, do you understand? So the obsession becomes healthy. Exactly. But to come back to your mother, that must relieve her. Yes, I think so. To see that you found your way.

My mother is an extremely empathetic person. And that's one reason why she gave herself so much in the cause that drove her all her life. She doesn't like to see people suffer. She doesn't like to see that she is the horror of injustice. And I think it made her see her two sons being caught with a fairly paralyzing disorder. I think it must have given her a lot of guilt as a mother. I know my mother, she never said it, but I know that for a long time she said, it's my fault. If my children are like that, it's my fault, that's for sure. I know her, I'm like her, I would tell myself the same thing if I lived what she lived.

And I hope that today she is able to see it differently, saying that it's especially also a lot of my fault if they're doing well today. Ah, that's well said. Red question. Is that the tough ones? It's personal, anyway. Personal, personal? We're always pretty personal, but that's the point of the game.

You give me three, we'll just pick one. Thank you. What moment of your life would you like to erase? Have you already reached the end of your physical or psychological limits? What is your relationship with death? Oh! They're different. Oh, that's interesting. I'm going to take death.

Okay, go ahead. I'm going to take death. Okay, go ahead. I'm going to take death because I lived something a little over a year ago now. I had only one grandmother left. My mother's mother was still alive. My other grandparents have died for a few years, some for a long time, others for a little less time. And my grandmother, she was a person... My mother, she didn't fall far from the tree. My grandmother, at 92 years old, before her car, she managed blocks, she had apartment blocks.

She was an extremely brilliant person, very lively, extremely. She was the leader of the clan. My mother's mother was the leader of the clan. In the family, everyone was like... She was the one who decided all the paths. She was the leader. And, obviously, she died in the... she was about 95, maybe, maybe a little older. Or a little less, I don't remember exactly.

If I thought it would come back to me, but quickly like that, it didn't come back to me. But... I think she was 95. But... so, the last few years of her life, she obviously lost some of her abilities. And when the time came, my parents lived... My parents bought the house where my mother grew up. And they transformed it into a two-generation house so that my grandmother could live there. a bigenerationel pour que ma grand-mère puisse vive là. Donc ma grand-mère vivait dans le sous-sol, dans la maison dans laquelle elle a vécu pendant 70, 80 ans. Donc ma grand-mère a jamais été en foyer ou en centre ou quoi que ce soit.

Et, tu sais, faire que là vers la fin de sa vie, on sentait que sa vie était faite, And towards the end of his life, we felt that his life was done, the end was coming. And I remember the morning when my mother told me, well, we're going to start the end-of-life care and we're going to go to the sea. It's his last day in life today. So it was... The editor in me had the taste to say, like, hey, what do I have today? I can't go see her. That was my first reflex. And we went, and we spent the day with her, who was unconscious.

The end-of-life care, you fall unconscious and quietly, not quickly, your heart stops. It can take about 15 minutes, like it can take a day. And when I arrived, as much so much love for my grandmother, but it didn't tempt me. For me, mourning is not something I like. Seeing people cry, suffer, especially my mother, it didn't tempt me to see my mother sad. I saw my mother cry a few times in my life.

It's the worst moments. I'm not able to. And I wanted to avoid it. I wanted to do like, hey, I'm sorry, I was on stage in Quebec, I couldn't be there. But I was afraid of that, I said, you can't go, you can't go. So I went. And we were... between 3 and 10, the world would come out, go out for dinner, take a little...

We opened champagne, my grandmother's around, who was a very good friend of mine. And we were drinking, Between three and ten, the world would come in, go out, go out for dinner, have a little... We opened champagne, my nose around my grandmother, who was just sitting in her unconscious chair, she was breathing very, very, very slowly. And we just remembered, we mocked her, in quotes, of everything. Do you remember when she did that thing. It was memories as happy as sad as, hey, realize yourself.

And I learned a lot of things about my grandmother that day. By my aunt, by my mother. I realized all of a sudden, I said to my father, what is the first time you met that woman? My parents have been married for 40 years. This person My parents got married 40 years ago. I never knew how you met her. What did you think about your first meeting? I learned so much about my grandmother, about my family.

It's one of the most beautiful moments of my life. I told you, I went through that, not going there, because it didn't tempt me to see my mother cry, it didn't tempt me to see my grandmother die, it didn't tempt me to see her weak, it didn't tempt me to see her... to see her leave, it didn't tempt me to say goodbye,

you know, all of that didn't tempt me. All of that didn't tempt me, and I was like... And when it doesn't tempt me, it's easy to avoid. It's your first reflex. It's my first reflex. It gave me a vision of death. It changed my vision of death. Because that day, we celebrated my grandmother's life.

We... We had... She... She... She was... As I told you... We were there for... I can't tell you how long, but let's say four hours. In those four hours, there was...

half an hour to cry, but she also laughed with the tears of her faith, or she had put a dress upside down or whatever. It was such a rich moment, both sad and and joyful because my grandmother did extraordinary things in her life. We were able to remember each other. I don't want to learn more about her. It completely changed my vision. It's extremely sad when someone... But at the same time, it shows the strength of the family too.

But that's it. And it also gave me... I had a funny moment when we went to the cemetery to bury his ashes. It's a land for the whole family. My grandfather bought it several decades ago to put his parents, his brothers and sisters. When I looked at the tombstone, I was like, you know, my grandfather's name was there. He died in the years, like, 40, 50, 60, I don't know. I don't know anything about that person. I know absolutely nothing about his first name.

I don't know what he looked like. I have no idea. I don't even know what he was doing in life. But then I wondered what I was doing today that he was doing. I often listen to him. Did my great-grandfather do that too? And to see my grandfather, to live with my grandfather, it brought me to this, to do like, we all have the importance of the family, we come from somewhere. And that's what I see now with my children. My children have a very nice complicity, the two together, the two are close in age my daughter is 4 years old, my son is 2 years old.

It's intense. I tell myself that there's not a big difference between 23 and 21. Between 4 and 2, there's a big difference. I can tell you that one of them is talking non-stop, and the other one is starting to be able to express himself well. I see how much my life is now. It's their life now. How they will have children, little children, who one day will see my name on somewhere. They will be like, hey, that's my grandfather's back. Look at his hair, I have the same hair as him.

It makes me capot. And it looks like it takes away... It takes away... It adds beauty to... To the legend of people, you know? And it's still extremely sad, extremely cruel that there are people who leave before their time. And I'm not saying that it's like, ah, you know, but how much your time at the moment, while you're still alive, which is a fraction of a thousand, a thousand fractions of a second in the history of humanity

has an impact on a lot more things than you think. And that's what I'm focusing on. Instead of being afraid of dying, which I've had for a long time, and which I still have, I can't say I'm not afraid of death. I think everyone thinks it's normal to be afraid of death. But I think I'm more aware of having lived that with my grandmother. I'm more aware of the impact I can have on people, on them, and especially on my family. And that's it. When I saw the name of my great-grandfather, I thought, I don't know anything's it. When I saw the number on my grandfather's back, I said,

I don't know anything about it. I've been informed since then. I asked my mother how he was. But you never asked about him. I saw his number, I said, he's been alive not that long. It's not 4,000 years ago. It's been 80-100 years. It's not like 4000 years ago. No, no, no. It's like 180, 100 years ago. It's not long ago. You know, my grandchildren knew their great-grandmother. My grandmother, who died after I had children,

my brother's children, who are even older, they knew her and they will remember her. Did you ever question your grandmother about her life, how she met her husband? Yes. Yes. Did you ever question your grandmother about her life, how she met her husband? Yes, yes. By curiosity in general, but not by... By transmission.

Yes, exactly. By curiosity in general about how you met your grandfather. And when you realize the impact that people can have, the impact of your life on the life of others, that's when you realize, OK, it's important, how is it all? So, that's how my relationship with death changed enormously, compared to that event that was... that was... shambling. There are it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... it was... But you see, that's a thing. When my grandfather died, like the husband of the grandmother I'm talking about, he died at his place. And we all went to his place, and he was still in the house when we arrived. And I never was able to go see him. I never was able to go, like...

Because I had... You don't want to see your grandfather... Inanimated. Inanimated, you know. And I wouldn't say I regret it, but I would have liked it to be in the mental place where I am today in my life, to be tough to see, it's going to be tough to live, but maybe you're going to regret not having done it. And you know, I see it today. my grandmother, with my mother crying with her soul, with my brother, my father, my aunt, my cousins, my cousins. I can't say that I would have missed it because you don't know what you're missing. But to have lived it, I know how important it is. So that's not why I'm telling you that I don't regret not going to see my grandfather because I...

But it might have brought you something. But today I wonder, Colin, would I have been able to just take his hand and say, hey, thank you for bringing me to hockey, thank you for instilling this passion. I'm a fan of the Canadian Inveterri from Montreal, and it comes from my grandfather. My grandfather and I, it was his life, the Canadian. And it comes from him, this love I have for this team today. I know it comes from him. I would have liked to just say thank you. So, as I said, I don't regret it, I don't feel bad about it because I don't know what I missed.

But I often think about how I would have lived it. And would I keep it as a good memory of that today? And seeing your mother cry, it seems like a break from the departure. How did you live it, finally? Hardly. Hardly. I would tell you that it was difficult. It was very difficult. It's not something I appreciated. It made me cry a lot.

I think seeing my mother cry made me cry more than the whole context. Both for the funeral and the moment. I think it's more profound than that. I think it's just an inability that I have in the back of my mind to see people rock. Beyond that, it's like the person I love the most. So it's like, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to be able to see them rock. I don't know if I'm going to be able to see them rock. I don't know if I'm going to be able to see them rock. I don't know if I'm going to be able to see people rock.

Beyond that, it's like the person I love the most. So it's decoupled. But just seeing people have misery in their lives, it really does me a lot of harm. So to be someone I love more than anything else, it's not necessarily that I can't help it. I I think it's just that I'm made like that. That's it. It's that you're in a state of empathy. And at the same time, it could be...

The word empathy, I think we have to be careful with the word empathy because the word empathy as such is to be able to put yourself in the other's shoes. And... to... It's harder than you think. I think a lot of people use the word empathy by saying, like, you know, I understand your pain. That's not it. You know, to... To feel. And I think that...

I've seen empathy, I really see empathy as feeling the feeling of others. Yes, that's it. But I think that, let's say in the context where my mother is crying over the death of her mother, that I wish, sad because she is sad. For me, that's not empathy. For me, empathy is knowing that what my mother wants right now is for me to hold her in my arms. But I... I have a blockage... I did it, you know.

But for me, that's empathy. It's not making you sad, I'm sad. You want me to do this? I know you want me to do this. I'm not capable. That's empathy, you know? It's not, my grandmother dies, I'm sad. It's, my grandmother would have liked that I was with her, that I took her hand when she left. But it doesn't try to make me do it because it's sad and uncomfortable.

but it doesn't try to make me feel it because it's sad and uncomfortable. So that's why I think we need to understand the word empathy. It's not just about understanding what the person needs, even if it doesn't do your business. Do you understand? So I think that's more it. And I think that in the case of seeing my mother cry, it was mostly that. I don't know. But the fact that you're there,

for her, that must have been a gesture of empathy. As your first reflex was to flee. Definitely. To say, he's there. That's it. Exactly. That's it. So, it's sure that seeing his parents cry, it seems like, you know, we always say, well, we shouldn't see our children die, but when you're a child and you see

your parents cry, it's like our first guides. There's like a powerlessness, I find, in the child, to see his parents cry. Yes. At one point, I interviewed someone who is part of the artistic field, who very early in her life lost her little sister. And she saw her parents cry the death of her little sister. But she was young too. And to see her parents cry that way,

she said to herself, I could never leave them, because they will cry too much. And it made a relationship that became quite difficult when you said, I couldn't leave the house. But because she saw her parents cry, because it's like, OK, first I have to make that choice to support them. And when it happens young in life, sometimes we don't have all the tools to support each other. But I think that's what you're saying.

When I lived my mother's death, I had people who wanted to see it, and who preferred not to be there because they said, you know, we have a beautiful memory of her, she lost weight, she was very sick. And then, I was like, OK, I understand. And then I say to myself, I don't understand that much, I think we still have to, because I myself have had this thought for a long time, to be afraid to be around this moment when the person is the most vulnerable in his life, to face vulnerability. What do you say? What do you do? How can you

be interesting to the other, when it's to accompany the other? There's no performance in that moment. Because there's a force in vulnerability. And I think my grandmother, who was an extremely strong person, lived her vulnerability in a strong way. How do you say that? And being there, I had the impression that I said, yes, you're strong. At the moment, you're vulnerable, you're weak, but you live it with strength.

And I know it. And I'm here to tell you. You look weak at the moment, but you're strong. We'll be with you until the end. That's it. Pink level, we're going there. Eros is accompanied. You're going to give me four, please. So, you're going to choose only one. Do you have four? You have four?

You have four? Well, give me 103. I put less in there. So, here we go. How has your intimate life evolved over time? What place do you give to emotional intimacy in your love relationship? Are you comfortable in the sphere of intimacy? The first is how you have a relationship with your partner.

How do you have a relationship with your partner? How do you have a your emotional intimacy in your love relationship? Are you comfortable in the sphere of intimacy? The first one is how your intimate life evolves over time. I'll show you. Well, listen, naturally, having two young children, I'm more directed towards that one. How your intimate life evolves over time. Because I see it with the mother of my children, my blonde,

who is the love of my life, who is my best friend. It changes, of course. Naturally, your focus changes so much when you have children. You become my blonde, and we've always been very, very close. We always had a really nice symbiosis between us. We were always very... We really found each other, my blonde and me. At what age is it? Is it a long time?

It's been seven years. And we had a connection. We had a connection from the beginning, we still have it. But naturally, having children changes your focus. If it doesn't change your focus, there's a problem. But I remember, there was one of my friends who had children before me and who told me how much, while she was pregnant with their first child, her blonde said,

I want you to promise me one thing, we don't forget each other. You and me, we don't forget each other. Yes, there are mornings that will be rough, evenings will be rough, you'll carry them... It will be... But you'll carry them... But you and I, we must not forget. Never.

And they are still together today after several years, after several, a few children who have... And it really resonated with me. To do like... OK, it's easy. It's normal for the dynamic to change. 100% normal. But not to forget. And... 24 hours out of 24, now spending my kids almost 24 hours out of 24, but to keep... I don't like that. In fact, I always have difficulties with people who say, and I understand

because I live it, but with people who say, since I have children, when I'm alone with my blonde or my other child, they just make me talk about my children. And they say it in a way that we have nothing to say or we don't have anything to say. And for me, for the living right now, I'm like... But it's still a subject of conversation and an insight that you have with a person that you will have.

There is no other person on earth who can understand what you are saying right now. No one. Zero. And I find that precious. It's a life project, kids. I find that precious. You know, my daughter often does that. When she talks, she does this. She often does this.

She puts her hand like this. And then, Miriam and I spend the day doing this. Then, we're going to do this. You know, nobody understands. But she and I understand. And that she takes the time to do this, and that I take the time to do this, it's a mini-attention. It doesn't change anything. It's attention, it doesn't change anything.

It's not that it doesn't change anything, but in the sense that it doesn't ask for anything, it's not big, but it's just like, there's just you who can understand what I'm doing right now. And I think that's extremely expensive. And I think people tend to denigrate that too easily. Do you have the impression that if you said, we meet and we don't talk about children, there is one of the two who would hold on all the time, who wouldn't be himself or the two.

That is to say, because it's like a, you know, it's a life project, it's the filigree of life when you have children. You know, if you said, at the table, we don't talk about it, would you both be thinking about it and remember talking about it? No, I think we would be able to if we said to ourselves, like, hey, but we don't have... You don't have that need.

I don't think we've ever needed to say it, because it's... I think there are a lot of couples that the children will distance themselves. The father and the mother will distance themselves because of responsibilities and because of that. And that's normal. But to use this responsibility, to use this responsibility, to use this responsibility, to use this responsibility, Because of responsibilities and because of that, it's normal. But to use this unique thing that no one else, as I said, it's small insides, small things, small intonations. My son says certain words in a certain way.

The chocolate, he calls it cacacan. But when I say to my blonde, do we have kakakan? She understands what I mean. No one else on earth is similar to not understanding. There is one person on earth who understands. And I think that it cultivates this complicity that I have with this person, who, yes, will often be put aside because you have to dress them, you have to feed them, you have to teach them, you have to bring them

to the nursery, you have to protect them. But this little moment of doing like, hey, I don't forget you. Connection. This little connection makes sure that after that, when you just find yourself together, which are quite rare moments, you know, I have two young children, my aunt and I went to dinner together, the two of us together,

maybe three times in four years, maybe three, four times maybe. Naturally, you end up talking about this and that, but I think that cultivating the connection, that's where you can more easily go naturally towards other subjects without saying, OK, we're not talking about children for the next half hour. We could, I don't see why... But there's no need for one or the other.

No. That's it. Because you're... you feel a cut too. It's... You know, respecting the needs of the other. If the other doesn't mention it, you can't put this rule based on nothing. Well, that's because I see... That's it. What would it change?

Because you left with that saying, you know, there are couples who decide to say, we don't talk about children at certain moments, but... And I can understand, but in fact, I think you just have to do it for the right reason. If you just say, we don't talk about children because they piss me off, it's another thing that, hey, we don't talk about children. Talk to me about the last movie you saw. That's different, hey, we don't talk about children tonight, don't bother me. It's the same sentence, but it's really not the same tone.

Do you understand? What profound needs does your tableau have? Oh, so much. Listen, we were talking about self-medication earlier. Alcohol was a big drug in my life. I drank it every night, in a fairly large amount. And my main problem with alcohol was that I had no problems. I've never been aggressive about alcohol.

I've never been aggressive about alcohol, I've never been mean. I've always been extremely polite, friendly, warm. I've never done anything in drinking that I regretted. Never. It never happened once. And that, for me, is what told me I could keep going. I don't hurt anyone. I don't hurt anyone. I've become completely used to it. My tolerance for alcohol is phenomenal. I can drink six, seven, eight beers a night, wake up the next day and do my job without any problems.

To be present, to want to make my life, make my mood. So for me, it wasn't a problem. And that was before we talked about self-medication. There wasn't that term. Today, I can say that it was that. Clearly, it was that. But before, it was just like... It helps me sleep, it helps me do my job,

it helps me calm my head. I don't hurt anyone, I never say anything bad to anyone. People are even happier that I'm here. So there was no break? There was no break, none, zero. And when I started going out with Myriam, My, she had just been pregnant. She was able to take it. Today, obviously, with the children, her tolerance has decreased.

But when we met, we had evenings, she and I... ...dressed up. Dressed up, real, real big ones. And it was part of one of the positive points of this relationship. I was like, she's lovely, funny, generous, I love making her laugh, and she's also able to drink. I was like, what more do you want? And when we set up together, there was a night where, as usual, we opened a bottle, we drank, we drank, we drank, we drank, we drank, we drank, we drank, we drank, we drank, plus, tu sais. Puis quand on a aménagé ensemble, il y a une soirée où comme à l'habitude,

on s'ouvre une bouteille, on s'amuse, on rit, on jase. Et là, elle décide d'aller se coucher. Et là, moi, je m'en vais dans ma réserve secrète. Moi, j'avais comme un endroit où je gardais toute ma bière, puis moi, je la mettais au froid, je la mettais I had a place where I kept all my beer. I put it in the freezer one after the other. I drank my beer while the other one was cooling. I had my whole system. I would always go to the I went there. It was part of my life, drinking. So she went to bed, so I opened my reserve. I drank five, six, seven, eight beers, whatever.

And the next morning, she woke up and there were cans of beer everywhere. And she said, hey, I don't think that works. We can have fun together, we can open a bottle. But me, drinking alone in your living room, this doesn't work. And that was when I said, hey, this is really... It's a gain of confidence. It changed my life completely. It changed my life completely. It changed my life completely.

Today, I'm able to take one or two beers a week without exaggerating, without losing the mental control. Because losing control, how to say, of saying I want another one, I want another one, I want another one, I want another one. And I would never be there without her. Impossible. Without even... I would never be here today without her. Impossible. I would never... As much as at the beginning of the interview, I would tell you,

I would never have trained alone. I would never have been able to take control of this facet of my life without her. Impossible. I would have have had this face of my life without her. I had no problem. I didn't ruin myself by drinking. I didn't hurt anyone. I was able to do my job. People didn't even know.

I mean, why would I stop? It's only positive. At that moment, when I see her in my life, it was only positive. I would be happy, I don't hurt anyone. Why stop? You didn't see the problem. When she did it, I thought, that's a sign of something that you've fixed in yourself. I had never seen it like that. So, it's... And again today, it's funny, huh?

You know, let's say when I go on the road, I need... It's now that I need Myriam for this balance in my life. You know, I feel it now when I go on the road. I miss something. I've worked enough on myself to be able to not fall into my bad habits in time. But we have a connection, Mériane and I, which is not the same when she's not there. And beyond that, I don't say it in the sense that life is beautiful, life is pink, it's the love of my life.

It's not that. It's just that I found someone in my life who completes me and helps me become a better person. And I love the person I am since I'm with her. And maybe when she's not there or she's not present, or she's far away or I feel her far away, maybe my brain starts to create a fear of losing the person I am. I don't know. It's a deep need, like it reassures you. Kind.

It secures you. And Myriam is my best friend. Beyond being the mother of my children and the love of my life, she's a person I feel like I can tell everything to. Sometimes it takes a while, like in all the cups, to find the right words or not to be defensive. It's funny because recently, not long ago, we were at lunch, we were having lunch, the four of us together.

I play a lot of chess on my phone, I like to play chess on my phone. Sometimes when I come across a game that I'm really focused on, all of a sudden it's easy. I'm not afraid to think about anything else. It's the obsession of my anxiety that makes me have to find the next good move. Then one morning I was in the middle of a game like that, where it was complicated and all that. And then a little later in the morning, I was like, hey, it's been two hours since you're on your Christy phone.

Let go of it. Your kids are playing, your kids are asking you. And my first thought was, well, we'll talk about it. He's there, my phone, he's not even in my hands. And over time, I did it like, Caroline is right. And since then, I've been working a lot on it. Not having my phone at the door. I write you my emails and messages in the evening when the kids are asleep.

So when you say something, you know that... But suddenly, I was like, I'm never on my phone, look, I didn't even have it in my hands. But to have someone who is capable, the criticism we were talking about earlier, to have someone who is capable of saying that. And who is also capable when she's not right or when she criticizes you for doing something, or when she realizes that she's not right, who is able to admit it.

It's all important. That's it. It's all that important. That's it. You know, when we were talking about how your intimate life will evolve over time, you said that having children changes the way it is given, but when it changes the way it is given for both of them in the same way, it's easier too. Because if the expectations remain the same for one, then at some point there is dissatisfaction.

Are you able to talk easily together, communicate in relation to your intimate life, your sexual life? Is it something that is incorporated, that is part of the daily life of this sphere of life? Yes. But really, we are very open to a lot of things. I know she has a lot of things in her head, that she has a lot of worries about her children, that she has a lot of things to think about. The mental burden is huge. The mental burden is huge. And it comes back to the empathy of the other person to do like,

OK, Simon, calm down a little bit. I think that in general, if you look at the current of a regular week, I think I will be more often the one who will propose contacts, if you want. And it would be easy for me to do like, there's just me who wants, you never want, or to be sexually frustrated, as we call it. And when you do like, yeah, but wait, you know, I never think about their lunch. I never think about their dinner. I don't think about it, but in the sense that I realize that there are so many things that they do that don't make me part of my mental charge. I think I should calm down a little. It will happen when it happens.

I think that's a way... Sexual life is extremely important in a couple. It's still there when you have children. But there are other ways to show that the person attracts you, you understand? And if you're not receptive at those moments, I think that's where the act like that is going to become so important that the frustration that this act it makes her feel lucky to be with a guy who makes her laugh. There are different ways to cultivate this kind of attraction. It connects too.

That's it. When you have an impact on the other person, something comes back. Exactly. The last question is for Simon. When you look at your life, what are you most proud of? It will wrap everything we said, but to have been able to take control of my anxiety, I think it's a game changer in my life, completely, at all levels of my life, professionally, personally, lovingly, it's the thing that I'm most proud of.

It's like you're taking away filters somewhere in your life. I really thought it was not possible. When I got to the point affected my life a lot, especially negatively. But I had accepted that it was going to be like that. And I was somewhat at peace with that, and I was like, look, it's going to be like that. And when I got to the age, I was like, hey, just try it. Just try to see if it can be better than what you think. I had long believed that it couldn't be. I was like, it's impossible, you can't do it. And even today, I don't really know what made me continue.

I know it's the support around me and the people who helped me to continue, convinced me to continue and kept me. But I think that's why I try to... For me, anxiety... I often find myself talking about it in interviews. And at the same time, there's a side of me who doesn't want to talk about it, because I don't feel like becoming the anxious humorist, or the face of anxiety, or... I don't want to be pitied for that. No, but there are so many of them.

But that's the thing. I know how much I think my message can help a lot of people, and I see that it does. And that's why I decided, at least at the beginning, when I started taking control of my anxiety, and feeling better, and being able to direct it elsewhere, at first I didn't want to talk about it, because I didn't want people to pity me,

and I didn't want it to define me. I didn't want to be like, you're annoying me, that's the humorist who's anxious. I didn't want to talk about it because I didn't want people to pity me, I didn't want it to define me, I didn't want to be like, if my ego is the humorist who is anxious, I didn't want it to become that. I was afraid of that, I wanted to be the humorist if my ego is the funny humorist, not the anxious humorist, you know? And at the same time, when I listened to people talking about their anxiety or when I saw certain testimonies, whether on television or personally, I found that the message lacked so much hope that I was like,

I think I'm able to talk about it in a true, authentic way, but all while giving hope. So that's when I started to open up more on that. And even today, I mean, I've been talking about it for several years now, and I talk about it very openly, very often. But there's always a side of me when I start talking about it, like, hey Simon, don't talk too much about it, because you don't want to be associated with that, you don't want to.

But now, when I receive a message from someone who says to me, hey, I'm going to see a psychiatrist next week, and you convinced me to do it. I say, well, I'm like, you can't talk about it, you know, this person there. It's useful. Because, you know, the question of what are you most proud of, that's what you're talking about.

Yeah, that's definitely it, having been able to... I think... I've talked about my anxiety a lot, and it's the first time I use the word redirect anxiety. And I think I'll keep it in mind because that's really what I managed to do. To redirect my anxiety towards things that will lead me to good things or that will make me go beyond myself. Because, as I said at the beginning, you don't know if there are things that will bring me good things or that will make me surpass myself. Because as I said at the beginning, you don't heal.

You can get fat, as we said earlier, but you don't heal. But I think that will resonate with several people. I hope so. Because when you say redirect, it's like, OK, that's it, I accept it, but what do I do with it? It's like you had a piece of extra, somewhere, when you say redirect, you have an extra. Because you know, in front of this microphone, there are really a lot of people who talk about anxiety. You know, before, we heard very little about anxiety. We were talking about stress. There was a great time when it was stress. People smoked for stress. There was, you know, because of stress,

I mean, now we talk a lot more about about that hamster than when he leaves, he monopolizes thoughts and that's when it's... And I think that's it. To heal, to put it in a safe place, is to bring the hamster to ride another wheel. Yeah, exactly. But he's always going to come back, he's always going to go. You can't... It's part of life. You will focus on things like me with the paint and dirty hands.

I would like that. I would like that. To be able to put both hands in the paint, me too. But it won't happen. But it won't happen. It won't happen. I have to be like that. Redirect your anxiety towards... Well cleaned after. What do you want me to tell you?

Stop feeling guilty and stop, precisely, don't let your head, don't let your head explain why you don't like that, seeing your children with dirty hands, you don't like that. It's like that. They'll say, dad, when we were little, he was like that. Well, that's it. And that's it.

It's going to be anecdotal. Exactly. In fact, it's anecdotal. Well, thank you very much, Simon Gouache Gouache. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. It's fun. Really, really, really. You have good... I'm curious to see the questions I have. You're going to leave with, you're going to be able to play,

and we're even going to offer you a red game which is for the couple. So you can play with Tablone if you want at this game. Because it hasn't been that long, he's on sale, he's going to give you a red game for the couple. So you can play with the board if you want. It's been a while, it's on sale everywhere. There are the different levels you just saw, the pink level. In a couple, you're at your green level,

and the other one will immediately do his green level. And the challenge for couples is listening. You understand? Because often, they will say, it's not even if it happened, wait a minute, no, but it's listening and hearing the other person's answer. And we can decide that one evening, if we make it a little more coquettish, we answer only to pink questions. That's what's fun in a couple, we can dissect it, say, hey, tonight, do we do this? Do? Are we going to choose one green and have a party on it?

So it's a game that we really wanted to improve communication in couples. Because often, you know, when we talk to couples, it's the first thing, well, we lost sight of each other, we talked less, and we take things for granted. Whereas what the other thinks is interesting to get out of his head, is to verbalize. So you can start over with your game and you'll start over with a red game. Thank you very much, it was really a pleasure as always.

Thank you, it was very, very pleasant. So thank you everyone and we say to each other, open your game. This episode was presented by Karine Jonquas, the reference in the matter of the skin care reference in Quebec, and by the Marie-Club, a space dedicated to the best-being. Table games, Open Your Game, original edition and couple edition are available everywhere in stores and on Randolph.ca.