Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #99 Jonathan Roy | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

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Hello everyone, welcome to Open Your Game. I'm reading your comments and I'm going to say hi. There were people who listened to us from Thailand. By the way, I greet you. We have Belgians who write to us regularly, but we have Quebecers who walk around the world. But there are a lot of people in Florida. Hello everyone.

Hello to the people who are also listening to us from Mexico. Well, obviously hello to everyone who is listening to us from everywhere in Quebec. It's still the great majority of people who are listening to us from Quebec. Thank you for being there. You can watch us. You can also only listen to us. You can go to all the podcast streaming platforms, obviously on the YouTube channel Marie-Claude Barrette. You can also watch us or listen to us on Patreon. Patreon is a platform that is paid and at that moment you have the Open Your Game without advertising a week in advance. The same thing for the Marie-Club, which is the space better be.

You can have the... On the platform, there are a lot of things, but you can have the open your game without advertising and a week in advance. The comments of the week, this is an episode that I particularly learned a lot of things. The one with David Goudreau. Jacinthe tells us, If you knew how you were doing me good, TPL, personality disorder, at least for me, diagnosed, I still suffer from it in full.

I have never consumed any addiction, but so much inner suffering since adolescence, attachment disorder, I don't often feel happiness. I am, despite everything, brave. Thank you, David and Marie-Claude. It's a great testimony because it's a mental health problem that is important, the problem of the limited personality, and to allow us to tell it to ourselves, it's very, very generous. Thank you very much, Jacinthe. I'm going to read you another one. Christian said,

Oh, the beautiful Saskia, I watched her initiative so much, the life-saving cards. Well, the life-saving cards are good. I love her with all my heart. I'm in Granby. I would have surely gone to the Bromont store, not to make unpleasant comments, but just to tell her that I love what she is and her laughter. Besides, you have been many, many to write to us following the passage d'ailleurs, vous avez été nombre et nombreuses à nous écrire suite au passage de Saskia Tuo. Et vous avez eu des messages tellement bienveillants envers elle qu'elle a même fait un message sur Instagram pour remercier tout le monde d'avoir pris le temps et de prendre soin d'elle.

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Obviously, my team, Caroline Dionne at coordination, David Bourgeois at online, Jonathan Fréchette, digital creation, Maëlle, the capture wine, Jérémie Boucher, social media. I thank them because it's really thanks to them that we manage to produce every week an Ouvre ton jeu and soon, I can't wait to announce it to you, because we will announce it to you in the next few days, we will celebrate the 100th episode of Open Your Game with an exceptional guest. We will go out of the studios, it will be on invitation.

There are people who will be able to attend this 100th episode. It will be very, very special, but we will do it in large numbers. There will be a capture, so you will also be able to see it in the programming of Ouvre Ton Jeu. But the 100th episode of Ouvre Ton Jeu is already coming. Today, we are receiving an invitation. The first time I received it, I think he was 19 years old, and I thought he didn't have many filters. He's someone who speaks openly about all the spheres of his life.

Even today, he's turned 35. I think he still has no filters. Sometimes, we can have a tendency to be surprised by what he says, but what I like is when I hear someone who is authentic, who is real, and we react strongly or not to what he says. It's still his story. Usually he doesn't try to tell us one to please us, but he tells us what he feels. And that, for me, is important. I like to do interviews when I put all forms of judgment aside because it doesn't belong to me,

and that we sometimes raise taboos and that we open discussions. So I can't wait to see where this meeting is going to go today. My guest of the day is Jonathan Roy. So, welcome Jonathan. I think the rules are pretty simple. The rules are like a normal couple. Honesty, respect and loyalty. That's it.

And you have to communicate and talk. And as we said, to be vulnerable when you're not comfortable, when you're comfortable. You know, to communicate our desires. We're a little afraid to imagine... I think, I have the impression in this life, in this society, that the open couple is still a little bit mislead, but in reality, I find it magical because there are many couples who need it, and who are friends, extraordinary parents, and who just need to have a little more openness to be able to have fun and to find the flame between the two. In the original couple. In the original couple. Because there are some who should always stay together because everything is fine, except for their sexuality.

And they will separate. They will separate because of that. And in reality, they just have to open up a little bit to have fun. Open Your Game is presented by Karine Jonquard, the reference in skin care, available in nearly 1,000 pharmacies in Quebec and through the Marie-Claude Club, which is a space dedicated to the best-being, where you can find more than a hundred master classes, led by experts, available on Marie-Claude.com. Table games, Open Your Original Game and Couples Edition

are available everywhere in Quebec and on Randolph.ca. Today, I'm receiving a guy who really, as a singer, he's got me going. I saw him a few times on stage. I even went to see him in the show, the Temis Kamenka show I went to see. It was really extraordinary. I also saw him in Montreal. It was the Festival Country, right? Yes, exactly. Exactly.

You just heard it. Welcome Jonathan Roy. Hello. Hello. Jonathan, how was it? Was it in Saint-Eugène? I forget the name of the city, but it's a place in Témiscamingue, not far from... I was happy to be there, but

with hindsight, I said to myself... because when I would go in there, and it was still in an arena, I think, right? It was in an arena, and it was almost all sold out. And everyone had cowboy hats. And then I said to myself, where am I? Why Jonathan Roy is in a Conchute festival? Because it's a Conchute festival.

But at the same time, it was beautiful. And we had, I think, a little more blues tune. And honestly, I should have maybe brought... Adjusted your show. Adjusted my show a little bit, but at the same time, I wanted to give you what we were doing.

But people were there for that, you know, because everyone is... There are a lot of people who actually had their hats and all that. But I think that at the musical level, it was open to hear... to hear... anything. But you were... As long as it was good and...

But you were a Vedette. People were looking forward to you coming. But it worked. It was cool, Ubot. It was really cool. And the country today, in addition, it's so much in the pop that

it doesn't bother me anymore. Could you be a fan of country? Yes, I've always liked it, in addition. I was a big fan of Garth Brooks and Chana Edwin. I lived in Colorado for nine years. I don't know if it's something I would do honestly, but I'd like to do a more folk album. Maybe not country country, with the matlang, with the Colorado signature. Because I don't think it would be me.

There are artists who did R&B and who jumped in country, but I don't think it would be well seen, especially with what I'm doing right now. You think it would be surprising for those who follow you? To change my tone of voice completely to have a little more of a Southern accent, I think it'd be a little bit weird. Ok, but you'd go more into folk. Yes, like the new album that I just released, Symphony of Doubts, it's a little bit more... it's going towards folk. I'm going towards something a little bit more mature, a little bit more... all naked. Did you lower your voice a little bit in your last album? Because you sing a little lower. No, not necessarily.

Ok, I had the impression that it was calmer. It's calmer because I chose melodies that are maybe more me and less... I went to look for melodies more on the radio or that it's like a calculation of certain notes. So it's maybe more melodies that make me sound better in terms of what I do vocally. So I think I'm more in my little box. I think it's good for me, but you have Waiting for a Call, which is one of the highest songs I've ever sung in my life, to be honest.

And the song Ayahuasca. I think I focused more on the lyrics and the melodies that were less on the aspect of showing the side of all my big notes. It was more about giving love to songs and what you really needed. What did you want to say through this album? It's an album that talks about division. It's not completely political because I can't get into it yet, but I can point out that I think we are very divided as a society. I think it needs to stop.

You need to put a little more love, a little more acceptance divisé en tant que société. Puis je trouve que faut que ça l'arrête. Faut mettre un petit peu plus d'amour, faut mettre un petit peu plus d'acceptation à avoir un et l'autre, de comprendre qu'on a tous des valeurs différentes aussi. Puis beaucoup plus s'entraider, puis de redevenir un peu plus la communauté, une communauté à place d'essayer d'être selfish, puis de faire de l'argent, puis de grossir notre business for us. I think we have to help each other. We have to do it. I think we're far from it. And when I travel, let's say, to Indonesia or the Philippines,

and I see everyone, the small communities, helping each other, I think it's beautiful, I think it's fun. People are happy. There is no competition between others. And I think we need to turn towards that a little bit. So I'm talking about division, I'm talking about love, of course. And about doubt. I'm someone who doubts a lot, and I realize that my doubts make me better as a human being, as a creator. Because it allows you to question yourself.

Absolutely. Before, I saw my doubts as a weakness, and now I realize that it's positive. It makes me better. So if I doubt something, it's because I care about it. I'm not a fan of that, and I want to improve it so that people like it more, or even I like it more. It's like being embodied, it seems, having doubts.

I don't know if we're human beings, we see it all. There are doubts sometimes that will prevent us from moving forward, when it's doubts that are very close to us. Is it fear? Is it perhaps more the part that holds us? Yes, but sometimes there are doubts about love, professional doubts, but when it's questions, it's doubts that are perhaps with solutions, we have answers, it's interesting to ask questions.

Absolutely. In any case, it makes me feel good now to know that I can accept them and grow with my doubts, instead of drowning myself in my doubts. Have you ever doubted yourself? A lot of times, yes, absolutely. I think we are human beings, you said it, we all doubted what we were doing. And it happened to me several times, I think at the beginning of my career, when I started music, when I played hockey, when I decided should stop music and do something else. Absolutely. I think it's... It's a kind of prayer at the same time.

It's not possible to go through your life without doubting. I think we are human beings and we will go through it and we have to accept them. Do you have the impression that when you have doubts, you confirm something? If you answer that doubt, for example, you doubted about the music, you continued. Does the meaning that music takes in your life become even more pronounced? Because you realize that you need it, you moving away from doubt at that moment. Even with the success I have at the moment, there are mornings, evenings when I get home or when I get up and I say to myself, am I still doing the right thing?

And I think that's in me, especially in the vision of what I have for myself, I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it.

I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to create and to succeed in my life by doing that. And I do it. Okay, there are degrees, clearly, I understand that, but at the same time, I have to forget all that. And I think it's when you forget and you just make yourself flourish in the love you have for your work or whatever you do.

I think that's when it all starts to work. But when you put stress and all the... All the... It's like when you look at yourself, it looks like you're outside. It looks like you're looking inside. You know, when you put... Because what you say is like you're observing yourself and you're asking yourself questions from certain angles.

But then you love what you're doing. Basically, that's it. When it starts from there, it starts from the right place. And it will go well. Because you will put the time you need to put, you will put the love you need to put in your work. So everything will be done naturally. We put too much pressure on ourselves as human beings, I think.

Especially me. I really, really, really put a lot of pressure on myself. Where does that pressure come from? I think it comes from the way I was raised, clearly. And also the society we live in. We are very much in the performance. Very much in the performance. And in the competition. And that's funny because a lot of people ask me the question,

you know, is there... What did you keep from hockey? What did you let go? And competition is one of the things you don't need in music. You can... You have to forget about it. You have to compete, but against yourself, not against others. Because art shouldn't be a competition of art. It should be just art. It comes from a pure state.

And you let it go. Exactly. So... I present my game. Exactly, exactly. So, yeah. I present my game to you. Yes, let's do it. Open your game. There are questions that are questions. You won't answer all those questions,

if I don't scare you. Your game, do you have a game of your own at home? Do you create that for people too? Look, we have a green game. The green game is the game we are doing. The pink game, the pink-red game, that's new. That's couples and dating. Ok, cool.

Yes, I would give you one too if you would do it with the blonde. So these are questions that are starting to be more personal. The red questions are personal questions. Questions about eros and companions, question sexuelle sensuelle. OK, ça va jusque-là ton podcast. Ah ben oui, certain. Attends, il me manque ma question optoraiso. Tu trippes-tu de faire ça?

Ben mais, Anke, je suis triste de faire ça. Ça fait-tu longtemps que tu voulais faire ça? Moi, j'ai fait un podcast pendant la pandémie qui s'appelait Deux Filles en quarantaine parce qu'on a vite tiré sur la plug de Deux Filles le matin à cause de la pandémie, I did a podcast during the pandemic called Two Girls in Quarantine, because we quickly hit the plug of Two Girls in Quarantine this morning because we couldn't receive any guests. And in my wardrobe at home, I had my microphone and my computer, and we decided to do Two Girls in Quarantine.

So every day I did an interview or two with people, and it gave me incredible moments. When everyone is isolated, and you hear it, it feels good to leave the house in a certain way through sound. I had conversations with incredible people, and I understood at that moment the strength of the podcast. There was no image, but there was sound. At one point, I joined Attraction, we started the Manu company, and I wanted to do a podcast. And when ATVA announced to me that my show wouldn't come back and all that, I told the

gang here, I said, well, it might be time to do the podcast. But we had no idea. And since I like to play, they said, but why don't we make a game? Okay, but what kind of game? And in an afternoon, we developed a game with palliates. Very cool. And people, you'll see, you'll decide which question you answer. I'm just going to ask my team to bring me an Optoraiso card if you can find one.

If you can find an Optoraiso card... OK, wait, we're just going to... It's really weird that we're missing a card. Anyway, look, I'll keep going. If you find one, you'll bring it to me. Let's get started. You're a joker. I'm waiting for the joker.

It's if you don't have time to answer my questions. I only have one. You only have one. It protects me. I can ask you the questions I want. So we start at the green level. You have a 5. I have a 5.

You have a 5. We have the top card. You're right. We're saved by the bell. 4, 5. Now I'm going to read them to you. Perfect. Wait, that's 5.

I'm going to read them to you and you're going to choose one. After that, I'm going to choose one. So we answer two questions out of the five. OK, cool. What makes you vulnerable? Wait, that's five. I'll read them to you and you'll choose one. After that, I'll choose one. So we'll answer two questions out of five. What makes you vulnerable? What character traits did you have to work on? Which person made a difference in your life?

When I look in the mirror, I see what your worst flaw is. That's too fast for me. Five, five, you can read them all. Alright, alright. Can you read them all? Yes, you can. Alright. Alright. What is your worst flaw? Hmm. So I choose one to answer?

Yes. Okay. Ah. Yes. Okay. So, which person made a difference in your life? There are several. But I'll say my wife. Because... When I met her, I was looking for myself a lot. And I had no idea if I wanted to continue in music, even if everything was fine with Warner Music at that time.

And I knew I wanted to leave in Havannes. And then, Lily came with me and she embarked on my universe. And she helped me so much to be grounded. And our love really gave me a purpose of, okay, we're going to start a family one day. What I'm doing here, yes, it's for me, but it's also for us. So that we can live the things we want to live, to travel together. I finally found someone to make my life with, and that I really connect with in an extraordinary way,

or that I could do anything, you know. That we also had the same values with love, with sexuality, with life, with nature. Was it the first time that it happened to you? To connect like that? Strong like that, yes. Did you do it quickly? No, it took time. It took time. I had been hurt, I had been with someone for six months, but it was still very intense. And I think, I think it seems to me two and a half years

where I had a pain of love, still quite hard, or that I was so afraid to fall in love with someone ou que j'avais tellement peur de retomber en amour avec quelqu'un, parce que j'avais été blessé, puis ça me faisait peur de me refaire blesser. Fait que j'étais très prudent quand j'ai rencontré Lily. Puis éventuellement, c'est ça, je me suis laissé aller. Puis c'était la même chose aussi pour elle. Elle avait eu des relations difficiles. Fait que les deux, on a pris notre temps. Je pense que après un an, ça a pris peut-être presque un an avant qu'on se dit je t'aime. difficult relationships. So, we both took our time. I think after a year, it took maybe almost a year before we said to ourselves, I love you. So, we really

peed. And I think it was 12 or 13 dates before we made love in addition. So, it was really slow, but it was good to go slowly like that. To really learn to know each other as it should should. And I'm so happy to have this person in my life. She really helped me a lot through my difficult moments, but also all the incredible moments of being able to live with her. I like that you describe her. I don't talk a lot about her because I... You know, Lilia doesn't like to be in the public eye. She doesn't want that.

But she's a very strong person. Full of talent, full of intelligence. Adventurer, full of love for the planet, for people, for herself, for her family, her friends, rushing into her work. Yeah, I think I said a lot. Is it your anchorage? One of my anchorages, absolutely.

And it's clearly one of the biggest anchorages I have. I'm going to ask you a question. It's clearly one of the biggest anchors I have. I'm going to ask you a question. You have to answer one too. No, I'm asking you one. If you ask one, I'll pick another one. But here, we take the time. So I'm going to go with, when I look in the mirror, I see.

I see a human being who is still discovering himself, who has understood many things about himself, who still has a long way to go. I see a strong person, a person who loves life, who loves people. A adventurer who likes nature, who loves music, who likes to create, who likes his friends, who likes his family, who likes the little things in life, who likes the little details of life. When you say you like nature, do you like the freedom that nature gives you? I like the ocean, I like trees, I like birds, I like animals on the planet, I like whales, I like rocks, corals, the sky, the clouds, the moon, the sun, I'm not the awareness. How do you say awareness?

Like, to pay attention. You didn't have... I don't know how to say it. Wait, but it's like if you didn't measure the value of that. I was young and you focused on one or two things, and in reality, you're not grateful. You're not grateful. Recognizing. Recognizing.

Recognizing the chance you have to live. And in fact, even... And to become aware of that. Absolutely. Because, as you said, we are focused on success, on performance, and we forget how wonderful it is to live. It's crazy to be able to communicate all together. We are an being who is able to communicate these feelings. We are able to, you know, our intelligence, our consciousness,

we understand that we are different from other things. We are able to travel. We are able to taste things and think about what we are doing. There is so much, I have trouble explaining it, but it's... The human intelligence is incredible, it's crazy what we live, that we are able to understand. But you're talking about full consciousness too. Yes. You know, full consciousness to realize everything we do when we taste something, if we tasted it for real.

Because we are always in a hurry too. Yes, yeah. But you know, in the end, it's like you learned to stop and enjoy being conscious of everything that's around you. Slow down my life a little bit, exactly. And that's it, to find the balance, in fact, to appreciate it, because I think that's it. Every year, we're too much in the...

we have to succeed, we have to succeed, that we forget the balance and feel good. Depression is a real thing. We forget ourselves completely and we just live for our work. We forget ourselves completely. We forget ourselves in our friendly relationships. We forget ourselves in our loves, in our health. I think we need to re-establish the balance in what we really want to do and what society tells us to do. When you look at your friends, do you feel like they're in the same place as you? A few of them, there are also... You know, we're all different. We're all different. And whatever works for you. But sometimes we're not even aware that we're in the performance.

Yes, indeed. Sometimes we realize that when we're sick, when something happens, as soon as we slow down, we say, well, finally, why am I going as fast as that? Yes. Do you feel like your lifestyle inspires other people? I wish I did. I wish.

I do it for myself. I do it. When we talk, I talk about myself. I'm not the kind of person who tries to inspire everyone, but naturally I think it inspires people. I could try to inspire everyone, but in fact, naturally, I think it inspires people. Hey, I could try it, you know, and see what it gives. To travel, and that's why I do, let's say, posts on Instagram.

It's promoting all my travels because I want people to see how wonderful life is. I know it's not easy for everyone to say, hey, I have three children, I want to leave with the job I have, I don't have the means to do it. I understand that it can be complex for someone, but if you're lucky enough to do it, and to put your life on pause for 30 seconds and say, I'm going on a trip, I'm going to see life, I'm going to see different cultures,

I think it's... Yes, I want to inspire people to do that. Earlier, you were talking about the Philippines. What does it feel like to go to the Philippines and see people moving around to go see you on stage? I haven't been there for work. You haven't been there yet? I thought you went there for work. No, it's for pleasure.

In Asia, I've never been there yet for work. Is it something you'd like to do? Absolutely. In the future, I'm leaving in April with a Japanese band. I'm shooting with a Japanese band. So, obviously, the Asian market is a big market. So, absolutely. Wait, you're leaving with a Japanese band?

Japanese. It's three or four. Three Japanese. Don't ask me the name a Japanese band. Japanese, it's three or four Japanese. Don't ask me the name of the band. Hitsu, Jiu-Majikko-Pachi-Kopoke. And I'm doing their first part in California. So it can open the door for us eventually to the Japanese or Asian business. You're well known as... My agent is an agent who takes care of a lot of K-pop. And that's it. He was looking for a band to open for them.

And he thought of us. So I said, let's do it, man. I want to sell, I want to create, I want to play for everyone. I don't want to play for Quebec. Since I was young, I wanted to go to Australia, to Asia, to Brazil, to Europe. Year after year, I manage to do some things and grow my business a little bit. Last year and the year before, we did two tours in Europe. So, quietly, I managed to go there.

So that's it, it's a market that I want to... And it works in Europe? It's going super well in Europe, yes. We count ourselves lucky because it's not easy to release your music abroad. Honestly, people in Eastern Europe love what we're doing. They love what we're doing. Am I wrong? You went to Sofia in Bulgaria. Yes.

It was great. We felt like we were going to the other side of the world. It was completely crazy. You get there and they all have posters of Jean-Antoine Roy, I love you, marry me. How does that happen? How do they know you? It's YouTube, the YouTube platform. The video of Keeping Me Alive, the video of Loss,

the video of Nice to Meet You. These videos have worked a lot and it's an international platform. But tell me how many times has it been seen on YouTube? I don't know the exact number, but I know it's up to, I think, 130 million. That's it. It's up to 130 million times. It's maybe something I'll never be able to do again, but whatever. You did it.

I did it and I'm proud. And you know, the video, I did it with Sam Gauthier, who is an exceptional director, young, who is not very well known here in Quebec, but who did an extraordinary job. The band, Kim Richardson, everything was perfect. I think we don't know the perfect recipe, but clearly there was something that was perfect in the timing, in the whole process of this video. But you're like a free agent. I'm independent. I've been independent for five or seven years. What's the difference between being attached to a record company or a company and being a free agent like you are?

If you're with a company, it, it's them who advance the funds. There, it's me who's advancing the funds. So that's the big difference. After that, well, it's for sure that they have a big team in their area. The big companies have a big team, exactly. Whether it's radio, marketing, writers, producers, composers, they all have that in their team. When you're independent, you have to freelance, so you have to meet people and find small companies that will help you. I like that better because when you're in a big company, if you don't have success in the first few years, you fall down the list. You go down the list, so you become less important.

You become less important in their budget, for example, for promotion, marketing, etc. Exactly. So you don't have a word to say about that somewhere. Sure. But when you're in a big company, if you get down on the list, you don't have a word to say. It's their priority, it's not yours. Exactly. And that's kind of what happened to me when I was with Warner. Daniela D'Anemark still walked a little bit through Canada,

but it didn't unblock it like Corey and I wanted. It didn't click, and it's okay. I think it was the best decision Warner could have made to let me go, because I really needed really find myself before I could maybe one day return to a big company like that. But at that moment, that's not what you were saying, I guess. It's like after-sales. Did you feel abandoned? No. No. I didn't feel abandoned. But I felt like, what is it that I...

I still have juice at 30 years old. I think I was 30 years old. I think I still have juice at 30 years old to get back in there and to start over from scratch a little. It takes a lot of energy. It takes a lot of mental strength to do it again, to start doing little shows where you don't make a lot of money, to start seeing all the radios again,

to really run your boss like in the beginning. And it's like that, you manage to grow up and you have a lot of things. You have a nice room, you have nice hotel rooms, you have a nice car that brings you to your gig, whatever. You have a nice car that brings you to your gig, whatever, you have nice services, you have good cash, and then suddenly you start all over again. It's hard to start over again. Absolutely, and it, prends-le, pis fonce, pis prends-le pas pour acquis, tu sais, parce que d'un coup, il y a quelqu'un d'autre qui va en quelque sorte prendre ta place dans la compagnie ou qui va marcher plus à radio,

pis là ben tranquillement, tu vas descendre the ladder, pis là and you will become a little more normal. A couple of years later or a couple of months later, you will create a song that will walk again. So you get into a wave and you feel like everyone wants to buy your tickets, everyone wants to buy your albums. I'm in there or I let things go and I understand that it's absolutely... It takes a lot of giving up. Yes, absolutely.

So your financial planning doesn't necessarily... It's not as precise as that. No, no, madam. There are years when it's going super well, years when you're like, Oh, how am I going to get there? But I'm good in there. I chose my job and that's what I want to do. Eventually, I think I'll find myself...

I started buying real estate with my wife. So, I'll quietly... I'll spread myself, shall we say? According to me, that's not it. I'll branch out a little bit. How do we say that? Wait, you want to diversify. That's it, you're want to diversify. That's it.

You're going to diversify your income. Maybe I'll do production, maybe help people here in Quebec to write songs, to do production. Whatever it is, maybe a company of 10 to sign local artists. By the way, I saw you,

it wasn't the first time you went to Star Academy, you might have been there, but we saw you there a few years ago. But anyway, this year you went again, at the beginning of 16 years. This year it was Star Academy, but the time before... I think it was the voice. It was the voice, I think. But it's impressive to see you with the young people, this generosity, and you receive, you give, you receive.

Do you like that? I love it. Do you share the stage in this way? I love it. I find it so much fun. In fact, I really had good mentors through my career. I think of Richard Sanson who was the first person you gave me the chance. He's the one who gave me my first chance. He said to me, you're going to go up to the table at Saint-Hubert, you're going to sing the tune.

So he's the one who gave me the confidence to write my own songs. My first shows were at Casbah on Thursday nights. I worked with you at the Plenaire base in Poney Gamouk. We were taking care of shows. He's a specimen, Richard. We agree. We say hi to him, Richard. Hi, Richard.

But Rich really... He believed in you quickly. And after that, I think of Felix Gray, who gave me an incredible opportunity with Don Juan. Did you like that experience? Loved it. Loved it. It's still easy. You arrive in something that exists, you're in a troupe.

It seems like it's tempting to be in a troupe. Yes, it did me good. It was such a beautiful school. It's funny because I saw Bruno Pettier before yesterday at the Capitol. He was doing one of his last shows at the Capitol. It was really fun because I worked with Bruno Pettier to put the character of Raphaël on the screen. And he was the one who gave me the singing lessons with Ariane Gauthier. And that's it, I was in his basement with Bruno and we were playing with the sword and we were doing all the scenes of Don Juan. And I could also see how he brought the character of Raphaël.

And I found it so odd to work with someone like that. And he was really a cool guy and fun. So, you know, anyway, I was happy to see him. So yes, Don Juan was wonderful. I had fun and I was... It seems that I would have liked to do it there, because I think I would have been much better. I understand more than what Félix would have liked from me.

But at the same time, I was at my maximum at that time, and French was not easy for me either. I had taken diction classes too, to try to get some words out better, because Félix wanted people to understand what I was saying. I often have a sore throat when I speak French. And then, Corey Hart, who was extraordinary for me. And in fact, it was really... How did it work? How did you get to work together, Corey? I was leaving Don Juan. Jacques Aubet...

Jacques Aubet told me, listen, if I can do something for you, call me, you know. Jacques Aubet, who was in charge of Devinco at the time. And Louise La Liberté, who was also in charge of Devinco. I don't know if Louise is still there, but Louise helped me a lot to connect Coie Heart, to me and Coie

Heart. And she told me I should write a little message, send your songs and see what was going on. So I wrote a message, I sent a few volumes. Two days later, I received an email that he wasn't interested and that he couldn't help me and that he couldn't help me because he didn't have the time. After that, I told my dad, I said, Dad, can you write a little message to Cory? I knew he was a fan of my dad because he wrote to me, you said hi to your dad, I sat in the plane with him, I love your dad. I said, listen, dad, can you just do that for me?

Write a message and just tell him to meet me for 10 minutes. I'm going to go to his place for 10 minutes, and then I won't bother him anymore. I just want to meet him, I just want to sing a song, and then he'll do what he wants. So my father wrote a little message, and then I received a message from Corey, maybe a week later, saying to me,

OK, come to the bar mass, I'll take you to the airport, and here are two songs to learn. OK, it's not your turn now. No, no, no. A song by, I think it was Teddy Thompson, and She's So Good, a song she wrote for a tennis player. I forget her name, but it's okay. So I get there and I meet Cory.

I sit down at his place, we talk for maybe an hour or two. He says, you want to sing the tunes? Perfect. So we go to his living room next to his piano. He sits in front of me. I think he was with his son, Rain. côté de son piano. Il s'est insta en avant de moi. Me semble qu'il était avec son fils, Rain. Pis je pars la toune pis aussitôt que je commence à chanter, il s'est levé pis il a commencé à comme faire du back and forth pis là j'étais comme oh my god. Ok, il te regardait plus là.

Non, il me regardait plus. Pis là je me suis dit il aime pas ça pis là moi je suis ici dans les barmas pis ma carrière, c'est là que ça se termine. Parce que j'avais dit He said, he doesn't like that. And then I'm here in the bar mass, and my career is over. Because I had told my dad that I would probably stop it if it didn't unlock. And finally after the tour, he sat down in front of me and said, man, I'm in. Let's do it together, let's go. And then it all started. I'm in. On le fait ensemble, let's go. Puis tout a commencé là. Puis il m'a tellement appris de choses.

Il y a des choses que j'aurais voulu qu'il fasse plus avec moi. J'aurais voulu qu'il s'assoit avec moi pour écrire. J'aurais aimé ça parce que lui il a tellement un talent fou pour l'écriture. Puis je m'en rappelle j'avais eu des discussions avec, puis il m'avait dit, tu sais, parce que moi je voulais écrire mes propres chansons. I liked that because he has so much talent for writing. I remember I had discussions with him and he told me, because I wanted to write my own songs. I had always done that in the past too. And that was the first time someone told me, listen, we're going to write songs for you.

And I was sick of that. Because you wanted to participate. Because I didn't think it was normal for someone to not sing his songs. I had never understood that at the time. After that, they had explained to me that Joe Cocker had never written one of his songs. It's always been songs. While they seem to be his own. Exactly.

And that's what I loved when he told me that. He said to me, listen, Joe's reality is that you're still a songwriter. If you sing them and you do them your way, that's your songwriting. That's the way you're going to write your tunes, maybe. And eventually he told me that he had the writing of a song, you have it or you don't have it. And you don't have it. So focus on your voice, focus on your performance on stage.

And that had disappointed me, and it really pushed me in the ass. That's why he made you sing the songs he asked you and not pull them. Exactly. And the reality is that the songs I wrote were not as good quality as he did. But it's a big franchise on its own, anyway. Absolutely. I think that honesty hurts us sometimes, but it makes us move forward enormously. So that's how it started before you. Yes.

We were on other subjects. But it was significant in your life. Ah, that's where I was going. By saying these things, I started writing a lot. And that's where Keeping Me Alive, Lost, my first songs, I think I paid so much attention to writing something solid, thinking about him, telling me, OK, man, you have to be on the edge, let's go, man. Write something that will stay, actually. Not just that, yes, I will feel, but also something that will stay.

Not just a pop song that's just going to play once on the radio or two, and then we forget about it. That's what I'm proud of, actually, on the radio or twice, and then we forget about it. That's what I'm proud of, actually, in what I've created in the last few years. Keeping Me Alive and Lost will stay forever. It's songs that will... If you want to do a show, you have to do it. Absolutely.

Because you could be disappointed. Absolutely. You know, it's fun. And in addition, you have a way, when you... You're a musician too, I mean a musician, when you interpret your songs, you give them a special life on stage. We leave your album. What do you mean, we leave my album? In the sense that you do it differently, you give even more on stage.

I don't feel like listening to you on your album when I see you on stage. I understand. You see all my energy. That's it. I don't like to see to your album when I see you on stage. I understand. You see all my energy. That's it. I don't like to see a show and feel the artist. You know, from B.B. King, from Johnny Lang, from John Mayer, whatever. These artists who have extraordinary voices. The way they deliver their songs, that's what really makes me trip. To talk to Nutini, to see how much they have a strong energy when they sing, and that's where you trip on the artist,

because what they do live, what their energy, their passion, makes you go so deep that... You won't forget it. Absolutely. You feel it. And that's what music is all about. That's what we want to feel. It's such a strong energy. Exactly. So you learned a lot with Cory, but now you don't work with Cory. No. It's been, I think, six years, maybe. Yes. And Did you have a hard time separating with him? It was tough. It was flat.

Did you feel rejected? No. No. No. There are things that I think I regret. Because I was maybe a little immature. I was young too and there were things I hadn't learned. There were things that I regret, that I would have liked to do better. But at the same time, we are two in a relationship. So we both have our faults. And at the same time, we put so much love into it. I think we were so disappointed with the success we thought we had and didn't have.

We put hours into it and we worked so hard for it to work. For me, it was difficult to see that it went up a little bit in a flash and then it went down quietly. Sometimes we try to find reasons. Sometimes we try to accuse too. Do you have that feeling? No. But you were in agreement with what you did with them. I think that...

There are plenty of things that we did well. there are plenty of things that we did badly, but the reality I think that needed to happen is that I find myself completely as an artist. And I think Cory did the best. He took you there. In fact, he took me straight to the edge where I had to do it myself. And that's what I did. I think by buying my van and leaving and making the decision of what to do. We keep on, we stop.

I think that's when I realized that I couldn't put the guitar case in the trunk since it was out all the time, and I was writing, I said to myself, look, I can't, I'll never stop playing music, I have to. I have to stop putting pressure on myself, and I do it, and I have fun, and I write what I feel. Do you still talk to each other? No. Are you going to talk to each other again? I wish. I wish.

Did you do any parts for that? I wish I could. Did you take steps for that? Every year. But he has the right to do what he wants. And I love him. He knows I love him. I know he loves me. I think he was hurt in there. Same thing for me in a way. I think we both had a hard time.

I think time both had a hard time. I think that time will heal. And I wish because we were so close. It was my second father for 5-6 years. There are values that will always remain the way he raised his children. The love he gave to his audience, the love he put behind his work, his writing, his band. I kept all of that and kept all of those qualities inside of me. I saw you with him at the Bell Centre. He did a super long show, I remember. Julie was a chorus in that show. He made you come.

Kim Murchison. That's when Kim and I reconnected too. Oh, it was at that time? I found it so cool that Corinne reconnected us there. Because she did it, Kim did it. She sang on my first album when I was 18. Okay. With Sylvie Desgrosalliers. And Sylvie Desgros Alliés, and Sylvie Desgros Alliés, that's it. And we found ourselves at Cory Heart, and that's where we

kept in touch, and then obviously we had the Jumpist on the Keeping Me Alive. But I had sang, I think, Desperado, of the Eagles, and Jim Crowe who sang Don't Mess Around With Jim. I think it was the first time I went on stage at the Bell Centre. It was incredible. It was crazy. I was happy for him. He has such a great career. It was crazy to be part of that with him,

and then to be part of his book that he had written. I'm happy to have been part of his journey. Of his universe. Anyway, I wish you could talk again. I think it's good that you're bringing it back, because at some point, it's good to open up. Absolutely. It must do you good, to open up to them.

Yes, absolutely. It's hard every time because you don't know if you understand, you find someone and you want them to... They're vulnerable. Exactly. But at the same time, it's a rather superficial relationship. It's at the height of this type of relationship. But at the same time, you open the door. I find that it's a very generous and empathetic gesture. It's a beautiful gesture.

Thank you. Yellow level. You're going to give me four. You're going to choose one and I'm going to choose one too. Listen, there's one. Thank you. There you go. So, there you go.

What place does your father occupy in your life? There you go. I'm not sure. Well, we already have a little bit of that. You said it at the start. Yes. We chose one. You chose one, I'm going to choose one later. Hum... Hum... Hum... Hum...

We can go in there. We can go in there. You're going to go, what didn't you receive from your parents who asked you? I think, let's say I think of my father, it's time with. I didn't have a lot of time with when I was young. And when I had time with, well, I hard time, so it created friction between us. Especially, let's say, I remember, I wanted so much that he helped me in the He had rented the ice cream in Colorado at like 5 a.m. Listen, I have to...

I have to remember that sometimes I put myself under pressure, but I was like, I think... 10 years old, you know? 10 years old, he wakes me up at 5 a.m. Maybe I was a little older, but I think it was between 9 and 11 years old. He's small. Yes. And he wakes me up at 5 a.m. and he licks the ice cream and tells me,

«Vietan, we're going to go ice cream together», before one of his practices. And I remember, I was like, «I don't want to be here, I'm bored, I don't want to do this, I'm too happy», and I fell on the ice cream. And finally, we went to the ice rink. I threw up all along. He took me home and he never told me that he would take me back to the ice rink. So, I'm disappointed in myself

in not having appreciated it. But I'm 10 years old. It's not easy to say at the time, I was with my father at the arena, and now he's going to show me how to keep the goals. I didn't have a lot of moments with him when I was young. I had some later, for example. on a on on on on on

on on on on on on on on Was it the circumstances where one of the two took the initiative? It was the two of us. It was a difficult moment.

I talked about it in an interview last year. It was really tough between the two of us. I thought the relationship was over, and I was going somewhere else. I was telling myself that the relationship was over, and that I was going elsewhere, and that it was enough. I was so sad. The reality is that I love him so much, and he's my idol. I just wanted to connect with him. I just wanted my father to be proud of me. I wasn't able to feel that from him,

because the way he showed his love was more difficult. It was tough. You worked hard enough, you have to do it like that. He put pressure on me. He put pressure on me, but it was just his way of showing that he was there and that he just wanted me to succeed. But again, I didn't see it the same way. So that's it. A tough mom in both of us. So that was it. It was a tough moment for us two.

When I remember, I cried in front of him and I said, «Dad, I think that's enough for me. We're going to let this go.» And finally, I think he told me, «We have to settle this right away, because we're going too far.» We both showed ourselves to be vulnerable. And we understood that we both loved each other. And the way we showed ourselves to love each other, the way he wanted to receive love from me,

it wasn't the way I gave love, but it was my way of giving love. And vice versa. Your expectations weren't in the right place when you were waiting. Exactly. Exactly. So we learned... We learned how to love each other properly and to respect each other. And finally, that's it. We played a lot of golf after that.

We connected a lot on golf. I was trying to become a pro golfer. So I lived in Florida for six months a year. And I wrote songs too. You had that ambition, right? Yeah, I was... I wanted to give golf lessons and work at a golf course. A golf course as a golf coach and a coach.

So we connected a lot on golf. And in fact, my dad was passionate about music too, but he never played. His father played music, he was a jazz musician. I know that when I was young, my father played a lot of music in the car, and we sang tunes from New Radicals, Roger Hudson, and the same stuff. I knew he liked music, but we didn't really connect. Because I was more artistic, a little more poetic, and closer to my feelings than him a little bit.

So that's it. We were different in different worlds. What does it change now that you're close in your life? Well, I think for anyone, you know... Does it ease you? Well, it's so... It's my father, and it's my mother, you know. I love them, and it's them who gave I love them, and they gave me life.

You don't understand? I want to connect with them. When you're ready to tell your father, look, it's like this, it's going to stop. And that finally, there's an opening for his father to say, I don't want it to stop. It's fun to hear. It's good, actually.

Because that's what I didn't know. I was thinking, maybe he doesn't want that. When I heard about her mouth for the first time, it really hit me. And we both made the necessary efforts to get better. I think her ex-blonde, who had pushed her to come and talk to me so that we could fix it. And finally, thanks to her, our relationship has really improved. It makes life easier. Do you have good relationships with your parents?

We can still hear each other here. My mother is dead now, but I had a more difficult relationship with my mother. And it's true that when I left the house, it all went away. But it's really when she fell ill that we got closer. Because for her, there was a gap. She was less in control. She was more in, I need help. And I was fine in that situation.

To say, well, I'm going to be there. My brother was there. My father, everyone was there. But she showed herself vulnerable. And that's good. Because otherwise, you're always a little bit crispy. My father, everyone was there, but she showed herself as vulnerable. And that's good. Because otherwise, you're always a little bit crisp. It was badly seen in time. Well, yes, that's it.

You can't help, you can't intervene. There, all of a sudden, it's like we were all equal, and we helped each other. And I found that beautiful. That's wonderful. That's why you have to stay open, I find, to your parents. Even there are times when things are going well, when you're not on the same wavelength, if they open the door, it looks like you have just one father, just one mother. Absolutely.

You have to accept to go see what's on the other side of the door. Even if you might have to close it again, but I don't think you have to lose hope. I agree. I agree with you on that. Because it changes something. Some people have it harder than others. Yes, there are things that are unforgivable, that have been done sometimes by parents or by children, but for example, I'm just talking about a bad interpretation of the expectations of the other.

What you're saying is that you seem to be a hypersensitive person, and your father had high expectations. I think he is too. That's it. But we didn't show the older generation to show that. Yes, it's the results they expected. Yes, exactly. It's like if...

Your mother was that, she said it was the control. Yes, she was... She did that because she loved you, she wanted was the control. Yes, she was... She did that because she loved her mother, she wanted you to succeed. Exactly. We understand why she did it. But we also suffer it as a child. Yes. And that becomes difficult. Sometimes you're like a victim of an avoidance.

I'm tired of having to prove things. I just want to be. It takes you away from... You know, when you have to prove to your family, you know how we're just going to be who we are. We don't want to prove anything. We don't want to be forced to walk around with an outlier and underlining things in his life. You know, there are things in our lives that are flat, there are things that are ordinary, but that's what we are too. Absolutely. You know, when you have expectations, you know, you, in addition, you're like going, you followed

your father's footsteps as a goalkeeper. You know, I can imagine that period too, where the comparison had to be, you know, from the outside world. I think I was too young. I was too young. You didn't feel it? No. Fortunately. No, You didn't feel it? No. Fortunately. No, I didn't feel it. Maybe I do ignore it a little bit, but at the same time, I think it wasn't because of...

The impression I had was to succeed in hockey, not the comparison. I knew I wasn't my father. You didn't have to handle that, no? No. And when, when to the question, what didn't you receive from your parents that you missed? Is there something else that you missed? Well, listen, I had so much love for my mother. She was an incredible mother.

Describe your mother to me. My mother, listen, she's a mother, Teresa. She helps everyone except herself. You see, she thinks of us before her all the time. Even today? Yes. And she works on it, on teaching us to let go. Let it go. So that she focuses on herself. Because she deserves it.

She deserves to take care of her and do her little things. And her business, she opened a new business and she focuses on that. She finds love too. I want to... She's a wonderful being. She gave me so much confidence. I wasn't very talented when I started music. And she made me feel like I was Celine Dion. That's beautiful! Mesa.

The love of motherhood is beautiful. They were very balanced. Both together, my parents, as much as my father was very realistic and tough, my mother was not realistic and very very sweet and it made a good ball, both made a good ball. I'm going to choose my question very selfish, but at the same time I give a lot of my... Egoist? Egoist, yeah. But at the same time, I always try to support my partner, the person I'm with, my wife. No matter what she needs, I'm there. I can be very sexual sometimes, or I can be cold as a dead man and focus on music and not be present enough for us.

I love adventures, I love the newness as a lover. So, does she have to follow you in your state of mind? No, not necessarily. I think we follow each other. You follow each other, you know each other. We know each other. We understood who we are. So we accept each other's things. I know my wife, she knows me. That's it. Yes.

I'm still intrigued by when you say selfish, selfish, how does it manifest? Let's say I have a show or a big weekend, I'll put everything can't take care of that. You have to take care of it. I have to go. I have to go in my little bubble to make sure that everything is fine. In fact, that's what I think comes from my stress. My anxiety is demanding, of performance, of making sure that people who have paid X tons of dollars from their pockets, make sure they have enough to eat every night. So I put a lot of pressure on myself to make sure that people have a good time with each other.

A good experience. So you have to put yourself in your bubble, you have to get into a bubble to get into that state. I think I'm demanding you. Especially when traveling, I'm like... I want to dive so much, so I'm going to dive for 10 days straight. Sometimes, Lily wants to do other things, but I'm like, I'm going to dive. I'm going to go if you want, but I'm going to here, you're going to do that instead of sometimes bending and saying, okay, my love, I'm coming with you. I try to... I live so much the present moment, so I tell myself, that's what I want to do. So, don't get out of my little...

Don't get out of my little... You're going to dive into it. Yeah, yeah. And sometimes I forget that we're two and that we should... So I work on that. It's a process for me to accept that sometimes... It could be that you dive less. Absolutely. The price of being in a relationship sometimes.

But you're talking about diving. You've had a difficult experience diving. Yes. Did you leave any traces? Well, I think so. I'm so happy to have gone through this. It made me feel that diving's dangerous to dive, and that often we forget, that we're not supposed to be under water for an hour with good oxygen. Is it because you forgot the time at that moment?

No, I... No. There are lots of things. Either I held my breath a little too much while climbing, or I had COVID, or it was COVID that made me sick. In fact, we're not exactly... I had oxygen in my brain and it paralyzed me. I was paralyzed all over the right side, like a fractured child. That's exactly what happened to me. J'ai été paralysé tout le côté droit, comme un infractus dans le fond. C'est exactement ça qui m'est alloué.

Puis ça a été difficile pour, mettons, une couple de semaines où que je me réveillais en sueur, j'avais des crises de panique, je chantais mon bras engourdi, My arm... it was like... Stomachy. Stomachy. And I thought I was going to fall back. I was going to fall back a little bit. Vegetables or... Because the whole right side of my brain didn't work. And I still feel it a little bit that I can get my mind a little bit more. So there's clearly a little bit of something, little little things of that.

But... But... You know, my body is fine and it's okay. I could have plunged you back in here. The doctor gave me two weeks to not dive for two weeks, and I immediately put it in my agenda, okay, whatever it was, the 14th, you dive, the first day you have the right, you will break it right away, because I love diving so much.

It's one of my greatest passions, to go under water. It's a meditation for me. It's so... the colors, the fish, it's an extraordinary universe. And it helps me a lot as a human being to calm down, to live the present moment, to focus on my breathing, to forget all my problems, my false problems that I create in my head. It's a magnificent experience to dive. So I wanted to break that right away because I didn't want to keep that, to be afraid and to think if it would happen again.

And it took me about ten dives before I felt comfortable. The first dives, I stayed at a maximum depth of 40 feet, and I wasn't going any further down than that because I was afraid it would happen again. Or I was doing my 3-minute stop. I was super anxious, I was scared. I was looking at my mount and I thought to myself, the time I got on the side of the boat and I saw my arm stuck in the boat and I didn't feel anything. Ok, you went back up like that? Yes, I got back up and I was on top of the water. Then I got on the boat and I couldn't move my arm. I was trying to talk to someone, but I realized that there were a lot of words that I knew but I couldn't.

You couldn't pronounce them. I couldn't pronounce You weren't able to pronounce them. I wasn't able to pronounce them, I wasn't able to say them. So I had a tiny vocabulary. But I stayed calm and the people in the boat were exceptional. My wife, who was next to me too. But I didn't panic and it's for sure that there's definitely adrenaline. The body is actually... It's extraordinary, This thing is extraordinary. So she clearly protected me so I wouldn't panic.

And then after, I think, two and a half, three hours, I started to be able to move my fingers again. And then I started to be able to talk calmly. So it was still intense, but it was like a trip to the U.S. I came back and I was really grateful that I was back and that I had my head and the mobility of my body. Because there are a lot of people who, when they are paralyzed from an accident like that, they are no longer able to move the motor. They are no longer able to move the sensations.

Exactly. And even some who talk a lot about their speech are no longer able to speak. So you were lucky in this bad experience. Yes, really. So that's it. I never took the plunge lightly. From the beginning, I was a perfectionist in life. I took it really seriously. I understood that there could be accidents, but it made me understand even more. And now when I see things, I help people. It was gray this winter, or there was a little guy who had a problem with a balloon,

and he had no more air, and then I had to help the little guy to get back to the surface and make sure he was okay. So, clearly, I want to do that in my life, eventually, because I find it so much fun. It's not something you can make a lot of money or whatever, but I love it so much. I want so much that my friends, my relatives, I want to bring them. In fact, I brought all my band, because of myself, to do their first dive. They came, the whole band came and did their first dive with me. I thought it was so fun.

Do you share your passion? I try because I think my guitarist, Timo, he did two trips with me to dive. I see it as so much fun, It's such a magical experience. You talked about your other trip, which I'm not able to pronounce. Ayahuasca? Yes, I can't pronounce it. I think everyone talks about it, too. Did you talk about it? Did you talk about that trip? Listen, I've talked about it a lot.

You've talked about it a lot, right? But I'm still curious. Because I'm curious to understand the state in which it puts itself to understand its life more. It's not nothing to have a substance that makes you have a lucidity on your being. It's like that, it's like a great moment of simplicity. The simplest way, because it's complex, and even today I don't have so much to learn about it. I don't have the vocabulary and not the intelligence, but the experience of explaining it as I would like to, because I'm still in the process of still today understanding everything that happened to me during my journey from that.

But for me, it's like you were living death. And that you... It's like seven hours that you have the impression that is hundreds of years, thousands of years old. You have moments of joy, moments of fear, you cry, you scream, you live in fact, it's like you live your whole life. In the end, you're kind of born and you die at the end. And then when you finish the experience, it's like you're seeing life again for the first time. And are you supervised when you do this experience or did you do it alone? No, I did it with a shaman, there are six or seven shamans in front of you.

I had six, one main shaman and six helpers. So when you have difficulty, you just say help, and they come next to you and you sing songs that have been singing for thousands of years, that people have been singing for thousands of years, that it exists. We forget that it exists for so long. How long did you want to do this experience? I always liked to push my consciousness, my consciousness, and my spirituality to understand who I was, who I am, who I want to be, to be able to analyze what happened to me, what I want. And that's really like... It really helps to put everything on pause and really to understand everything that's going on around you.

To completely remove your ego that protects you. You lose it completely. That's what most people do. So you have to trust the shaman. You have to trust the medicine. The medicine. In the medicine. In the medicine, exactly. And you have to be guided by the music,

you have to be guided by Mother Ayahuasca. And you embark on this adventure and you will experience a lot of things that are sometimes very difficult, sometimes super easy. Is it a psychotropic? Is it like a psychedelic? It's a psychedelic. Okay, that's it. It's a psychedelic drug. Exactly.

And what form do you take? It's a beverage. It's a vine. It's a vine? A vine with a plant that is cooked together. Ok. And it becomes a kind of little brew, a little beverage. You take your little cup with the chamomile. And then you say when you take that, it will get stuck. There's no turning back. It becomes a kind of little brew. You take a small cup with the chamomile.

And then you know when you take that, it's going to get in. There's no turning back. Yes, and it's longer before it starts to prepare. It takes about 15 to 45 minutes. It's still scary, those minutes. I imagine once you've consumed it, then you say, what's waiting for me? Yes. I can imagine.

You know it's... It's irreversible. You're going to live it. But I had already done some bad ceremonies. I had done... I still didn't do any medicine. Then you immediately embarked on the iOS case. I still did other kinds of medicines to discover myself.

So I went step by step. That's like the summum? No, there are stronger ones. No, there are stronger things than that. I think the DMT is very close. It's been thousands and thousands of years that it exists. But you also have the toad. So it's like, I think it's The Venom of a Toad.

A kind of frog. Yes, yes, there's Venom. Okay, now you're teaching me things. And then there's supposedly, it's a rocket. There's an extraordinary book, How to Change Your Mind, by Michael Pollan. Michael Pollan wrote books on food. He's a very intelligent person. People like me explain what I've been through. It brings out everything. What has changed for you, this experience? Well, listen, that's where a lot of things come from.

A lot of things. In terms of creation, let's say, that's where Live Distortions came out. My song Ayahuasca came out there. I like Live Distortions. Live Distortions, exactly. It sounds like it goes with what you just said. I created my show, the show that won my first Felix. I created it in my head, in the seven hours.

That's where I did it. It fascinates me. There are several songs that start from there. There were also things in my relationship with my wife that needed a lot of improvement. So I worked a lot on the way I gave, I received love. I had an appreciation for life because, as I told you, you really feel like you're dying.

And when you come back, you see life and the past again. So you're so happy to come back to this reality. So, being grateful to be alive. But having the feeling of dying, is it that you feel suffocated? No. You feel like... Is it the end of something?

You go so far. It's so hard to explain, but you go so far in your head. You go into different realities that are parallel to this reality. And you go into dimensions that you don't know if it really exists, but in the case... You live it. Absolutely. You can talk to people, you can talk to your mother, have a conversation with your mother. And... You believe it. Absolutely. You can talk to people, you can talk to your mother, have a conversation with your mother. You believe it. She's there.

But maybe it's true. Who knows? Have you done this experience once in your life? I did it just once. I do psychedelics when I need it. It's not something I do every day. Psychedelic is that ones who distort reality. It alters your state of consciousness.

Yes, I understand. It changes your... In French, I don't have any language for that. It's more like your state of mind. It's like a lucidity that appears. It removes barriers like... Like we talked about... Yes, that's it. Yes, exactly. And these are tools, these are tools that have been around for so long,

that they exist, and that we know that it's going to help a lot, a lot, a lot of people, you know? It's going to help a lot of people across the planet. But it's not going to happen all by itself. It shouldn't happen all by itself. You know, because what you just said, I wouldn't see someone do that in his apartment. You shouldn't. Because there's really... You don't know where you are in reality. You don't know in what reality. But when you wake up, how are you? Were you dead?

Absolutely. But you're so happy to be back on this planet, in this reality, that there's a gratefulness. But that's what you've worked on. You've worked on yourself. You've worked on survival. That's why there are a lot of people who are in know. Or people who don't want to live anymore, and they go there, and after that... It's like a last hope. Absolutely. I think it's a... Yes, absolutely. And also people who are in the heroin, meth, don't touch drugs anymore. I think the percentage is huge. So I think, quietly, you shouldn't either...

It can't be everyone. Not everyone, according to me. No, no. Especially if you've taken drugs against bipolar or in your family, you have mental health problems.

You really have to be careful. Absolutely. Like anything we take. But you, it's because I was curious about you hearing because you lived this experience, and it had a major impact on your life. And then you talked about it, did you have a lot of comments following your speech about this experience?

One thing you have to remember about me is that I don't read comments. I don't give a damn what people think of me, except for people I love. I was wondering if there are people who wanted to have the address to go there. Like that? No, I'm careful. I'm careful because it's not my job to do that. I tell my experience and if there are people who feel they need it, then who are with their desire to be... I'm not here for... I'm not a shaman. I'm telling you my experience.

It's very immersive. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think anything is equivalent to something as immersive. No, indeed. I think apart from everyday life, of course. Yes, that's right. But this one, you don't have a shaman around you. Well, you do have one. You have a little bit. But you know you're there.

You have a little bit. Yes, sometimes it's still a little bit, sometimes you say, I'm there too. I understand. This life can be very... I know you've lived through moments up and down. At some point, life is a bit of a pain. It's a job. You have to recognize when things are going well, and when things aren't going well. You have to appreciate it when you find the balance. It's even sometimes that we appreciate it when we have some rough boots. I call them boot in Garnot.

When you come back on a road or on the highway, it feels good. We appreciate it. Yes, madam. When you have a Vendée Fasse, you have a Vendée D'eau. There are so many things, but it's the same thing that we grow in life too. But just to finish, did your wife see the change? From myself? After this experience? Yes, I think so too. I think that people around me have definitely changed what it brought me in my life.

We'll move on to the red level, Jonathan. You're going to give me three questions and three cards, and we'll just answer one of the red levels. Do you have regrets? What was the most challenging period of your life? What profound needs does your blonde answer? Well, we answered that a little too. Challenging is... OK, hardest. Yeah, we can go there. So, what was the most challenging period of your life? You know, it's been so many years, but I hate it. Honestly, I don't like to talk about it because it's a period of my life that has been really flat.

But my hockey battle was still stock. And I hated that experience. But at the same time, I'm proud to have gone through all of this. And I'm happy with anything at that moment because I had to live it to be able to learn about myself, to be able to learn that my actions had consequences. It really made me become a better person. So I learned that. Did you feel alone at that time?

Yes. Yes. Even if my family was there for me, I was bombarded on the right and on the left by comments on the internet, media, of course, that were in a mess. It was huge. It was huge. It was a big, big deal. So, yes, I felt alone. How old were you when you were young? I was 18, I think.

I was just 18. You were all young. Yeah. But you know, juniors, it's so much like a big deal, but we're all young people who play hockey, who, you know, we're not very mature yet, we're intense, we're very influenced by the arena we play in, intense. On est beaucoup influencé par l'arena ou qu'on joue dedans, par la compétition, parce qu'on voit aussi la ligne nationale. Peut-être que tu aurais envie de dire aujourd'hui à ce jeune garçon de 18 ans quand c'est arrivé. when it happened?

Well listen, it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be correct. It's the day I arrived in class, the first day, I was like, it doesn't make sense that I was in class for that. And that there was a... Because there were accusations. première journée, j'ai fait, ça a pas de bon sens que j'étais en cours pour ça. Puis que là, il y a eu... Parce qu'il y a eu des accusations portées.

Ouais, absolument. Là, je suis là, puis j'entends les gens parler en mal de moi, ou pas parler en mal de moi, mais de dire qu'est-ce que j'ai fait, que c'était un assault. Puis t'es là, puis t'es like, wow, this is really happening. I had trouble realizing that it was all true, what was happening. So I didn't have any support, I didn't know where to ground myself. I was completely lost. And I was doing my best.

And obviously, already being the son being Patrick Roi's son, I grew up faster than normal, I think. And that obviously made me grow enormously. I became an adult quickly after that moment. And it also closed me, especially when... because artists, everyone talks a lot, everyone expresses themselves. And it also shut me down. Especially when you... Because artists are... Everyone talks a lot, everyone expresses themselves. And I was afraid to say something that wasn't right.

I was so scared. Because everything I said, I was like taking it back. And people laughed at me. Or it became a thing on the Internet or in the media. So I was afraid to express myself. I was afraid to show that I really was. So I locked myself in a lot. So people, especially my fans, couldn't connect to me. I couldn't have a connection with my fans because I couldn't express myself.

But you isolated yourself at the same time. Yes, I did. And... I really... I had a moment where I said to myself, I don't like people. I don't like humans. I don't like what they make me live. And at the same time, there was an acceptance

to say, hey man, you put yourself in that position. You know? They have the right to judge what they want. You have a responsibility. I have a responsibility to take, you know, what they said, my actions have consequences. And, you know, it was one of the most difficult moments in my life, but at the same time, it was one of the moments where I grew up the most as a human being. You understood the consequences of the actions we were taking. You paid for it, for example.

It was a learning... I was a poster boy. It's a pretty intense learning. Intense, that's it. You know what? I never wanted that on anyone. But I still had, I think I had the strength, and I had the strength in me that I was able to learn that I was able to take. I was able to take it. You mentioned it, being Patrick's son. What does that mean?

Well, it means that I'm my father's son. But who comes with a popularity, when you're at that age, it's your... I mean, for others, imagine... When people, you don't think about them. I tell you, you don't think about them until the age of... Did you hear people say, well, this is Patrick's son? Absolutely. Even today, that's it.

And it's quite normal. My father did great things in hockey here. And we're so fans of hockey in Quebec. It's normal. But you know, it's not something that bothers me. I'm proud of my father. I love my father. He's my idol. So I'm proud when people associate me with my father.

So, it's not necessarily what Patrick Roy puts me as a person, but I know that my father, I know that the image and what we do here is important for him in the world, and that we leave our mark and that we make sure that what we do is good for society. That's why he still likes to coach hockey and coach junior., he loves it. He's giving back to the game. So he's trying to do something good with what he gives back to his fans. Without fans, hockey doesn't exist. Especially the scale of what it is. If the players won millions a year, that wouldn't exist.

In the past, Ken Dryden or that it won... He was a lawyer, and besides... Do you understand? He was going to play hockey, it wasn't that. If he became a player, he wouldn't come back. No, it's not... It's made another thing completely thanks to the fans. So that's it. So maybe the pressure is a little bit there today to make sure that Roy is, or the name Roy,

whether it's associated with my father or with me, that I'm associated with a good person who wants to do good in the world, who creates music and who gathers people to do good. How long did it take you to get out of that period? I don't know. It took a couple of years, I think. Because it followed me for a long time. And even today, there are places that people who didn't turn the page. But more and more, I think it's been 20 years. It's been 20 years. Maybe more than that. Do you know think it's been 20 years. It's been 20 years.

Maybe more than that. Do you know 20 years? Think 20 years. So... But there are people like that who hold back. Because you still paid to have done that. You paid your debt. And as you say, sometimes there are... Excuse me, I'm bothering you. What was it for you? It's still a tough question.

If it doesn't make you understand. Excuse me, what was it? It's a tough question. If it doesn't make you understand. It's the most impressive part of my life. Have you already talked about it? Maybe... What would be the most impressive part? I'm trying to see... I've talked about it. I even wrote a book on it. I lost a baby at birth.

It was December 24. I knew he was going to die, for example. But that's for sure, December 24. I left the hospital, I had him in bed for 29 weeks. I had him again, I went out on the same day. It was Christmas Eve. I went to walk in old Quebec with Mario J'ai sorti la même journée. Puis c'était la veille de Noël. Puis c'était dans... Je suis allée marcher dans un vieux Québec avec Mario parce que j'avais accouché à Québec.

Puis... T'avais quel âge? J'avais 29 ans. J'avais un enfant de 2 ans. Puis les gens me disent, « Ah, félicitations, plein grossesse. » On sortait d'une campagne électorale. Tout le monde savait que j'étais enceinte.

Puis là, moi, j'avais plus de bébé dans mon ventre. Tu sais, qu'est-ce que tu dis aux gens? C'est tellement des mix-emotion. Tu veux pas... Everyone knew I was pregnant. And then I had no more babies in my belly. What do you say to people? It's so much mix and motion. You felt guilty? No, but you don't want to tell people that there are no more babies. Because you don't want to share that necessarily the same day or the next day.

And at the same time, even before they gave birth to me, because we knew there were issues, and the fear was that I would die with the baby so that he wouldn't poison me, because he shouldn't die in my belly. In the end, he didn't die in my belly, he died afterwards. But this period, too, when you feel the baby move,

and at the same time, you know it's going to end, you're going to provoke death. It's really like, it's like you wouldn't want to be in yourself. You'd want to be elsewhere, but you don't know where to provoke death. It's really like if you didn't want to be in yourself. You would want to be elsewhere, but you don't know where to put yourself. You don't have a choice. It happens inside. That's how I started playing video games and I became a gamer in life. Oh yeah. To escape. To escape. I remember Dominique Harpin at the time,

he was at Salut Bonjour and he was talking about PlayStation, Riven, which was an adventure game. And when we knew that I had to wear it, even if we didn't know what it was going to be, then I said to myself, but what am I going to do with a baby that moves? Maybe we'll interrupt this big thing. That's what happened in the end. I remember saying to myself, Mario, we're in Quebec, we're going to the Future Shop, it still exists at the time. And I went to buy a game console. It's weird when you... And we started playing, and while we were playing, we didn't think about the drama. We were so absorbed, and when we were taking off, it felt good to have taken a break for a few minutes.

And we also had a child, you know. But there's still this period, you say, but I don't know where to be. Because I don't want to be in me anymore. But you don't have the choice to go through. So that's tough. And when they called me home, they said, indeed, the baby, a trizomy 13, is interrupted by pregnancy. Do you feel guilty?

Do you feel guilty? Do you feel guilty? No, not guilty, because a trizomy 13 is at the moment of conception. In fact, what was particular is that this child lives so long. Usually, women who have children who have trizomies 13 will have false babies. You know when a false baby happens, it's a drama in a life. But often there is a underlying reason why the body rejects. It can be a physical reason that the body has the misery to support the uterus that has the placenta and all that.

Or a malformation and then the body will reject it. In my case, it should have been that. And finally, that child stayed in my uterus, it grew until we realized at one point that he really had a problem, but it was long. I didn't feel guilty, but I had to stay at home after the birth at some point, because at one point, I was doing my grocery shopping, and then someone came to see me because I lived in a region, I lived in Kakuna, I was in Rivière-Doubs, and everyone knew each other.

And someone came to see me and said, « It seems like you celebrated Christmas too much and lost your baby. » Oh my God. There, I really had to talk, I had to understand. And I remember, it was a woman, and I said, « Okay, now you're going to listen to my story until the end. In the middle of the grocery store. Did it take you time to do that?

I was so angry, Jonathan, I said, I'm going to stop. I told you the story, it was a flat story, because it's not what you just said. And I said, since you're my mother, now go tell the real story. Because often, the merchants, the real story doesn't interest them. No, no. It's real story doesn't interest them that much. No, no. It's the story invented that's interesting, but the truth, instead of telling me how you're doing,

what happened, telling me, yeah, you were too much into the Christmas party. And then, I remember coming home and saying to Mario, I think I'm going to take my time before I go out. Because if someone else tells such bullshit to me... It's totally fragile. I could be violent. I could scream. I could... You know, it's unacceptable.

And I stayed at home for a few weeks to find a form of peace. Because otherwise... But that's challenging. The comments of the other people, dislo's proving it. The comments of the other, malicious, it has no place in the economy. It's absolute. In fact, I find it very short. I find that people, it's free what people write on the Internet, you know.

Yes, and I... Or as you say, someone just saw you. I mean, you have someone in front of you, why don't you ask them, listen, I knew. But it looks at them, you have someone in front of you, why don't you ask them, listen, I knew it. But they don't even look at it. You can say, I knew what happened, how is it going? It's just that. And no, why? Imagine if it had been true.

Let's say I went to a party. Because a baby, you can move, you can do the exercise. I mean, it's not true that your baby will fall. So let's say I went to a Christmas party, and let's say I followed what happened, a false baby that also comes before that, well, I don't deserve to be judged for that. Do you understand?

Absolutely. You're 100% with you. I had a lot of things in my head. This person, by the way, I saw him again after that person, because he's someone I knew. And I never had the courage to reconnect. I said to myself, you don't deserve it.

It's for sure. You don't deserve my friendship. You can't say that, man. No, yes. So sometimes, you know... Wasn't there someone close to you? Not close, but someone I knew. Yes, a friend.

Not a close friend, but a friend. But all that to say that sometimes I think we need to protect ourselves. Because we don't always have to get out of the way. I decided to stop provoking everything. I didn't want to hear that anymore. I tell myself, I have a grief in my life. I don't have the energy to support that. And they defend me for half an hour, she's telling a story. My story is going to be flat, but here's what it is. And I remember that woman was looking at me

because she didn't know what to say. But at some point, it's that you can also be quiet. You decided to talk, so I'm going to answer you too, because you had that butt, well, you're going to hear me. So, but you see, that period, it was fixed strangely, that grief, because I quickly fell pregnant from my son Charles.

And since I had a child with a TRIZOMI 13, they strongly suggested that I have a... not a mom, it's not a mom, a... a Ponxon, it's not a Ponxon's not a mongoose. It's not a mongoose. I'm the one who forgot the name. It's not a mongoose. I have a mongoose.

They went to get the liquid in my uterus to see if I was going to have a child with trisomy again. And in fact, I had a chance out of 450 to lose it following that intervention. And a chance of 1 million to have a child with a trisomy. But I wasn't explained that well. And I decided to do my amniocentesis. I just found my words.

And my bones died at 16 weeks of pregnancy from my son Charles. So I was at the IT, from the 2nd of August, the day I had my friend at Saint-Haz. And I came back home, I was a big part in Rivière-du-Loup, a big part in Sainte-Justine, I was in St. Justine and I came back home on December 20th with Charles. So it was the two guys, there was one who was born on December 24th, 1998, who died, the other was born on December 14 14, 1999, who survived. But I wrote a book called The Cover, where I tell the story of the most complete immobility to save the life of my son Charles. I did the mourning.

It was at that moment. I think that sometimes we feel like we have to go all out to make things go forward, but for me, it was in the complete stop that I made the biggest changes in my life. The patience, yeah. For me, it was in the complete stop that I made the biggest changes in my life. Yeah, patience. Yeah, so finally this challenging period, it's still transformed into something beautiful. Except that I have a lot of listening for the mourning Perinato. Because even I walk around in hospitals that have departments of high risk pregnancy.

Sometimes I have mothers who will write to me, mothers of mothers who are in the IT, so I'm going to see them to tell them it's worth it to stay seated. It's worth it to stay in bed. Sometimes we don't understand and we say, well, I'm going to get up a little, but except that, you know, I had 2% chance that Charles would survive that. But if I had walked before, I walked 34 weeks and slept for 34 weeks and 3 days. Life is tough. But I think we're all stronger than those challenges. And we think so. We're stronger than we think. But it's in the challenges that we know. Yes. You have to go through the same moments to understand the strength you have.

To say, oh man, I went through that. I'm sure you're an extraordinary woman. And Charles, his name. Charles, yes, that's his name. That you give it all your love. And we did it in a couple too. When you're in the IT like that, you need help in your bar. Angela had been there for three years. Then Mario, who was a deputy of Rivière-du-Loup,

who was also at the National Assembly in Quebec, and I was hospitalized in Montreal for a long time, we needed... When you take a village to raise a child, we needed the village. So we always needed others too. Absolutely. I think it's a bit like the community, people who have communities,

to connect with each other to make this life better. Yes, and to show ourselves vulnerable too, to have enough confidence in this community so as not to show that we are capable of doing anything. To show our true colors. Yes, we need each other. Yes, yes. Now we're going to move on to the heroes and companions.

We change the record. We change, yes. You give me four, please. Thank you for sharing, I think it's wonderful. Well, thank you for asking me the question. All right, how many do I take? Four. I take four.

You will answer only one, for example. Okay, wait. These four? Okay. All right. Was the question on the computer network take? Four. I take four. You will answer only one, for example. Okay. It's four. Okay. Alright. Was the question in the network? We had two.

We'll take that one. Do you prefer to be seduced or seduced? Oh my God. The first time I ask this question, what are the rules for your open couple to work? What place do you give to emotional intimacy in your relationship? And what is your definition of desire? Well, look, we're going to go here. Which one do you choose?

What are the rules for your open cut to work? Did you write that for me? Yes. Ok, that's it. Yes, it's your game. You go with it. Ah, it's my game. Yes, it's your game.

Ok, ok. I thought it was like the game and then... Ah, no, but there are other questions. No, no, when you get here, you have personalized questions. It's beautiful. Ok. I think the rules are quite simple. When you arrive, you're in for personal questions. That's beautiful. Okay. I think the rules are pretty simple. The rules are like a normal couple. Honesty, respect and loyalty.

That's it. And you have to communicate and talk. And as we said, to be vulnerable when you're not comfortable, when you're comfortable. communiquer et parler, puis comme on disait, de se monter vulnérable quand on est pas confortable, quand on est confortable. C'est ça, communiquer nos désirs. On a comme un peu peur d'imaginer un... je pense, j'ai l'impression dans cette vie, society, that the open couple is still a little bit badly seen. But in reality, I find it magical because there are many couples who need that, and who are extraordinary friends, parents, and who just need to have a little bit more openness to be able to have fun and to find the flame between the two.

In the original couple. In the original couple. Because there are some who should always stay together, because everything is fine, except for their sexuality. And they will separate. They will separate just because of that. And in reality, they just have to open up a little bit to have fun, to also regain the confidence to just cruise or to cruise, and to feel sexually appealing. Attractive.

Attractive. sexually appealing, attractive, and at the same time, what I find magical is the adventure that is in it. I think that the human being, in some way, needs to change all the time, needs to change. We see it, we are constantly evolving, the human being is constantly growing,

wanting new things, having new cars, and a new phone. But how did you approach that for the first time? Well, it was quite simple for me, because we wanted both of that. You wanted to talk about both. Exactly. We were friends before, and I explained my values,

and I wanted to try, if I was in a relationship, to try the open relationship. Because I know myself as a human being, and I know that I like meeting fact, I didn't want to have that memory, that lack of freedom to meet someone and one evening or friends, whatever it is, to have an adventure that is healthy and beautiful. But, you know, because I did a lot of interviews, for example, with couples with more than two couples in the house. I've done interviews with different couples, couples, people who live together, not all couples. But in your case, could there be three, for example? Could you really have a new person who joins you?

I don't think so. No. It's purely, I think, we are purely sexual. It's that you have an emotional fidelity. Exactly. But not sexual. Exactly. You are the difference between the two. We are the difference between the two, but that's it.

We can't... The rule is that we can't have someone in our relationship that we can love. Is it... Later in the future, will it be the case, or will my relationship eventually close with the children? I have no idea. For now, we're in there.

And it evolves all the time, it changes all the time. Sometimes I'm a little more closed, and I don't want to see others, or that I'm a little unbalanced as a human, and I don't want my wife to go elsewhere. So we listen to each other, we talk to each talk. And we shouldn't be afraid to make mistakes and communicate when we do them to make sure that the relationship remains honest and true and respectful. But is it like, well, I'm going to go, I'm going to join someone else?

Do you say it in real time? Still, anyway. It's not for everyone. I'm not judging you, but it intrigues me. It's really not for everyone. It's really not for everyone. You could be shocked to say, OK, he's going to find someone else. I'm so... I'm really confident in who I am and what I have to offer.

And I never want to hold back my wife or someone I love from a new relationship or a relationship that could bring her elsewhere, even more beautiful than mine. I never want to force someone to love me, do you understand? But at the same time, you don't say, Is there something I don't offer her if she wants to go see elsewhere? Do you question yourself? But if, for example, your wife says, well, I'm going to eat, she's going to live an experience,

don't you question yourself, or do you know if it's because there's something I'm not do and she's going to look elsewhere? No, as I told you, it's something we like to do. You don't have any ego in there. No, I have ego, absolutely, but I'm fine in there. You don't need diversity. We need to be like that, we're fine like that. But it's good because you found each other. Absolutely.

And as I said, maybe one day it will also close when we have children. Who knows? There are also many who open their marriages after the children. There are many. There are all kinds of ways to live your couple. Absolutely. And whatever works for you. I think that's the important thing in the discussion we have. It's to make sure that it works for you,

and that there's respect between the two people, and that you're on the same wavelength. Yes, and to respect in your case, it's important what you said, there's an emotional fidelity. Because there are open relationships where it could be less clear, emotional fidelity. In your case, it's clear. Until there is a change, eventually, but that would need to be discussed at that point. Exactly. It's there, we have to communicate, like in any relationship.

I think you have to communicate more about an open relationship, can you? Because you're still confronted with... Not more, I think we need to communicate with our partners. I think we don't do it enough, and it shouldn't be because you're in an open-air relationship. Where did you learn to communicate like that? Good question.

I think with friends, from... my evenings with my best friends, just from... I think my little friends, just to... I think of my little girl, Mamé, and my friend Sandrick, just to smoke a little bit, and to talk about life, and to talk about our problems, the beautiful things that happen to us,

the values, just to have a circle of friends who don't judge, and just to talk. And I think that's where it all started for me. Well, yes, because it's a wealth, to communicate. I think it's difficult, it's tough. And to stand your ground, to put your hand on something, it was scary. That's it. But that's it.

And even today, I'm still improving all this so that I still have better communication, especially in the most difficult moments where the ego takes over and you don't think correctly. And you... I think that's what it is in aging. We always have a moment when, with hindsight, you say, why did I say that? Why did I do that? And that's it. I constantly work on the human being I am to be a better person. And you're still without filter. Yes, but absolutely. I love to be a better person. And you're still without a filter. Yes, but absolutely. I love to talk.

I love to talk. Because at the same time, talking like that, especially with cameras, it's still complex. We still do, you know, it's moments where we learn a lot about ourselves, you know. And then, you know,

there's in the... Like I have conversations with sex, with oral sex, it also depends on where you are and how you feel good with the person. The openness. Exactly. But I like to communicate, I like to show who I really am. You assume that you are. Absolutely. I'm far from being perfect.

But you know what, perfection doesn't exist. And it can be flat, perfection, in some way. But you aim for perfection. No. What I mean by that is that I know I'm not the norm. No, that's not it. Okay? I'm out there. And I like, again, I like being myself.

And I've been hiding so long on certain things in my life that I don't want to do that anymore. I don't want to try. It's grudging as an energy. But you know, there are people sometimes, that I call almost fake rebels, in the sense that they want to provoke. They will say things to provoke. For me, that's not interesting. Someone who tries to provoke me, I tell myself, well, who is he? What is he doing in your story? Why do you want to provoke me? Tell me your story and I'll see what reaction I'll have. But you, I find you transparent. It's not the same thing. You're not trying to... You provoke reflections.

Because you're going out of the box. You're going out of the box, but at the same time, that's what you're deeply. You're going where you're called. After that, if for me it's out outside the box, it belongs to me. But you, it's in your box. You're not outside. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, I know that sometimes I'm out of touch and I go somewhere else. And sometimes my family will call me and say,

why did you tell this story? Why are you saying that? Why are you... And there are some who, when I opened up for the first time about my sexuality, my bisexuality, it was difficult for my parents. It was tough for them to hear that and then what people would think because especially... Because they hear it. Well yes, and the generation in the past was very focused on the image, so what people think. And today I think we understand that we have to be ourselves. The new generation is like, hey, this is me. You know what I mean? And that's it. Accept me for who I am. I think it's beautiful. I like that we get into it more.

But at the same time, for you to talk about it, is it liberating? Absolutely. It's good for me. It's like I was with my psychologist sometimes, where I express myself and it comes out as raw as it is. Sometimes I don't think clearly, it just comes out, it's just the truth that comes out. Sometimes it's all rough, what I'm saying. But you're surprising because we're still in a world where people are very aware of everything they say. And you know, sometimes we have a story that isn't complete. Me, when I'm with you, Jonathan, it's not the first time I'm doing an interview with you,

I feel like we have the complete story. I feel like you don't try to please me in your story. I appreciate that. In fact, yes. I really try to be authentic and true with whoever I meet to make sure that... In fact, I realized that with music too, that you have to be vulnerable and that it has to work. You have to show your true colors. And that's where you connect with yourself, but also with the people you share your life with. But it's true that as a parent sometimes, you can say,

you have to talk about it with your family, with your uncles, there's a kind of... But we take everything so seriously. It's like, who cares? Finally, it's over, everyone is still alive. Absolutely, everyone is fine. Everyone is fine.

Tell me, what is your definition? My mother, when I... When the bisexual girls, when they posted the first thing about my bisexualité, ma mère m'a écrit, elle m'a dit, ta carrière est terminée. Elle était encore... Tu pensais la coeur de mère, là? Pauvre petite. Ah, absolument. Puis elle était persuadée que tout allait...

Tout l'effort que j'ai mis dans ma carrière... C'est qu'on allait re to retain your bisexuality. Yes, and that it was... Because clearly in the past, it was... Even with... What was his name? Queen, you know... Nobody... In those days, nobody talked about his sexuality. As long as we knew, it was wrong to talk about his sexuality and to show that you were gay or bi, it was like... Forget that. In fact, it's true.

It destroyed careers too, when people are open to sexuality. There are a lot who have destroyed their careers. And that's such bullshit. It should never have affected their careers. It's so sad. And obviously, I think it's a little bit of the Church, or a lot of the Church, unfortunately. There are beautiful things that the Church brought to society. It doesn't mean that there were less bisexuals.

It means that we didn't know. They were more in silence. Are we going to go to the segment, Marie-Claude is curious. I just invented this segment. When you're bisexual, Jonathan, it means that everyone has a potential. That is to say, there is a great love potential.

I'm just trying to... Is it difficult to make a choice? OK. Why limit yourself to being a woman and a man? Do you really fall in love with the envelope of someone or deeply what the person is really for you? Well, I still have the impression, is it my education, but that the envelope was my first attraction.

You understand? Yes. I don't have that kind of openness that you propose. In any case, I... Maybe I'm too... But you're not in love... You're in love with... Really, you're...

It seems that I didn't put myself in my possible world. Do you understand? I don't know, maybe younger, but me, when I was young, I didn't know about people who said they were bisexual. It doesn't mean I didn't know about it, but I didn't know about it. But you know, I'm 56 years old, we didn't talk about it when I was young. I had a gay friend, it was obvious, and they didn't talk about it. So now, in the balls of Fincense, secondary 5, we see someone from the same sex company,

and it's going well. I mean, I think that now, with your testimony, you say, look, yes, it's possible, and so what? You know, life goes on. Absolutely. But I don't know if we're all bisexual in some way. Do you think we're all bisexual? Listen, I...

It's tough. That's really... You know, we... Hum... It's tough, that one. My vision... I think that really, I think society has played a big role in

sexuality. And I am convinced that there are a lot of people will be in love today. In fact, it's my view of things, okay? I'm not saying I'm right. No, but I'm listening to you. I think we're all bisexual. I think we can be attracted, like you're attracted by a man, clearly. You have preferences,

but I think it could happen that you meet someone like a best friend and you find her beautiful, you find her thin, and it could eventually evolve if you really have an opening. But you know, the reality is that we were so scared of that, of the same sex, so it's a bit of a counter-nature because of, unfortunately, I think, the church that played a big role in it. You see it with animals, there is obviously a lot of bisexuality in animals. And we are animals in a way. But when you realized that you were attracted to both, were you mixed up with that? animals. On est des animaux en quelque sorte. Mais quand t'as réalisé que t'avais une attirance vers les deux, est-ce que t'étais-tu mêlé par rapport à ça? Oui, quand même. C'était quand même tough. Je savais pas parce que évidemment c'était mal vu. Je savais... But I had this openness and I didn't know what to do with it. I had my little experiences when I was young trying out certain things and I found it normal.

I found it normal with a man, I found it normal with a girl. It didn't disgust me or bother me. Did you have any models who were bisexual in your entourage? No, no one. No, no, no. No, no, no. I had a gay uncle, but you know... So basically, you lived all alone with that inside of you.

Yes, and I was fine. I wasn't. It never caused me any problems. And I never really hid from it. I was confused in my head, and I didn't really know how... In fact, I didn't say anything because I didn't understand that. And eventually, when I understood it

and I became comfortable with it, eventually, I expressed it. And now, I can't go against nature. It's difficult to speak again, but to express 100% because I still have the trouble today to understand it 100%. But for me, my wife, I'm not in love with my wife because she has the body of a woman. I'm in love with my wife because of what she has inside her head and what she makes me feel as a human. Do I find her beautiful, my wife? Absolutely, she's extraordinary and magnificent.

But the reality is, I've slept with a lot of people in my life, okay? And they're really beautiful people, but what made me stay with my wife is what she made me feel. She's the person who really went. So for me, I understood that I fell in love with the person and not the person's envelope. It makes sense. Yes, absolutely. I would like to know what your definition of an emotional-love relationship? What are you talking about?

Because we talked about sexual relationships, but what does the emotional bond mean to you? What does she have more? What does she receive more? Listen, it's my life partner. To found a family, to... It's the person I want to live the difficult moments, the moments of joy with. And you want a family? Yes, absolutely. We have the farm with our animals. Since we are young, she too, since she was young, she wanted that. We are lucky to have found it. Because all our values are perfect to be together.

Our hopes and dreams are identical. You know, animals are like the first beginning of having a family, taking care of something, forgetting and taking care of animals. You have to be there, right? Exactly. The need for choice. So, yes, we have... So, you're in a stable of life.

Yes, that's it. I think that... You know, I've been with my wife for 8 years. And we go there... You know, we are... As much as we are out there, as much as we take our time in our relationship, and we make sure that we are ready to receive and give life.

Because, you know, I'm afraid of that. It scares me to become a father. I'm scared to be too selfish and not there for them. Obviously, I know I'm going to make mistakes and that's part of being a parent. It doesn't come with a guide. No, no, madam. I'm saying that absolutely. I don't understand it yet and I won't understand it until I have it. And at the same time, you're very instinctive.

Yes, and I think I'm going to be okay. I think I can trust myself. And Lily is incredible too. So I know we're going to be okay, but it's just... It's a big... It's four things... It stays alive. And that's it. I think we really want to take our time to make sure we're ready for all of this.

And obviously, as you say, you're never ready. You have to do it and you have a shot. It's your life. It's your life. It's your life, that's it. Your life, and you... You realize... Your life with all the changes it involves, but when you have a choice, it's another...

In fact, it's the same life, but more complex. But a complex that you wanted. Ah, well, yes. That's what I want to make sure that's what we want to make sure that... You know, I didn't well, yes. I want to make sure that's what we want to make sure that we... You know, I didn't want to have children when I was pregnant. I was 27 when I was pregnant. And...

You hesitated? You really hesitated. Well, I knew I was pregnant. In any case, I was taking the pill and I was pregnant anyway, because the doctor probably told me that I had taken antibiotics and that it had to weaken the effect of the pill. So I knew late on that I had a pregnancy, and I never thought I would interrupt the pregnancy. Because my husband wanted children, but it was a subject that we didn't bring up too much.

Do you have the same age? He was 26, I was 27. We have a year difference. We have 5 years difference. Sometimes that's it too. She's younger? Younger. Okay. Excuse me, continue. No, no, no, that's correct.

Because that's difficult too, because she says to herself, I'm really ready at 31, you're 35, I'm going to be 36. It's still a different age. Yes, it makes a difference when you're going to be 60, 65, but it's true that in the period to have children. And that's when I went through the pregnancy test, I was with Mario, it was positive. I was like, OK.

And I didn't even think about interrupting the pregnancy test because my husband wanted it. And you know, I'm quite, I change my mind. I was like, well, look, I'm pregnant, we're happy, go. We're going to have a baby. And at the same time, I couldn't even look at the, you know, in pregnancy books, the last pages, on est heureux, go. On va avoir un bébé. Pis en même temps, je pouvais même pas regarder les... T'sais, dans les livres de Gros Sass, les dernières pages,

ils montrent l'accouchement. J'avais tellement peur d'accoucher que je regardais jamais ça. C'est comme je vivais dans un déni d'accouchement. Et à un moment donné... C'est quatre choses que vous voulez les femmes, là. Ça vient, vous créez de la vie. Il faut que ça sorte. C'est fou pis c'est quatre choses, là.

Quand ça sort, j'ai dit ça, et j'ai... Faut que j'te raconte. Excuse-moi, là, j out, I'm like, I have to tell you, excuse me, I'm going to go home. There's a friend of my father who played so hard, you know. And he said, I'm so excited, it's going to be amazing. He bought a camera and the guy, I did all the meetings in group. Yeah, the co-presidents. Exactly. And then, it's the time it happens, he does his smat with all the...

He does little jokes with the doctors, and then, «Ah, my love, ta ta ta», and then everyone looks at the tape, because he shows the birth certificate to his kids, he shows his wife, «Ah, my love, he's making little jokes». And then, all of a sudden, he arrives, and it's just the little head that starts to come out, and you see the camera that goes... You know that!

You know... And it's... As much as it's a beautiful experience, as much as it's still... Mother nature, it's raw. It's full of... It's something. We want to have a birth at home.

So there's a lot of things we think about. And I know that's something that... I don't know, you're strong as fuck to do that. It takes the breath, it's true. It's true. And now there are the company staff too. There are things that are extraordinary. I find that even if someone wants to bring the support staff to the hospital,

they are authorized. There are still things that I find have evolved for the well-being of the parents at the level of support. Because when you arrive, for example, in a medical environment, you like to have, you like to be surrounded by someone who will guide you during pregnancy and will continue to guide you until you give birth. So it exists, there are several ways, I have seen several places where you can go to the birth house. But I remember when I had Angela in my arms tout de suite après l'accouchement, j'ai comme perdu mon insouciance. Je me suis dit, ok, là je peux plus mourir.

Moi, j'avais pas peur de la mort, j'avais pas peur de grand chose, mais avec mon bébé dans les bras, je me suis dit, non, c'est plus possible parce que elle, elle a besoin de nous. Et en même temps, je me souviens, je me suis dit, mais je pourrais, il y en aura d'autres. Il y aura une table entourée d'enfants. Fait que je suis passée de, non, no, no, I will never be a mom to, finally I have three children.

And if I would have, honestly, probably later in my life, I would have wanted it because I fell into a young age, but I am so made to be a mother, but you see, I had not seen that. Because I was thinking more about, well, if I want to travel, if I want to... In fact, I didn't want to be attached. And a child is attached. That's it. And for a long time, they decide a lot of things for you.

But it's extraordinary at the same time. I'm pretty excited. Honestly, I'm really excited. I'm really excited. It scares me, but I'm really excited. So, we'll live it. Last question, Jonathan. Yes, ma'am. When you look at your journey, are there things you would do differently? No.

No, it's my journey. I lived it like that. And every beautiful moment, every positive moment was what I needed for myself to get where I am today. So you're in peace. Absolutely. Well, in peace, it's my life. It's wonderful. As long as there have been tough moments. We say it, the difficult moments make us appreciate the moments.

So I'm proud of my career. I'm so proud of myself for persevering in my dreams and for rushing into music. What would little Jonathan say about you today? You're crazy, man. You're crazy for going through everything you've been through, the doors you've opened. I was a real go-getter. I'm a real go-getter. You're a go-getter. I'm a go-getter. We underestimate ourselves. We're all capable of doing great things here.

We're all capable of doing the things we love. You just have to work hard and go for it. No matter what it is, we're all capable of doing it. to do the things we love. You just have to put your ass in the air and dive into your passion. No matter what it is, we are all able to do it. And not be afraid to get into trouble. Absolutely. Because you're going to get into trouble. That's life. That's the thing. In fact, that's where you grow the most. We talked about it earlier.

You have to take risks. Yes, you have to take risks. Risks are so rewarding. Yes, there are rewards. Rewards, without having to take risks. The risks are so rewarding. Yes, there are rewards. Rewards, without having to go through all that. So I'm really proud of the experience I gave myself and the opportunities I got, the chances I got in my life. You're talented to be in a beautiful period of your life. Yes, yes, really. Yes, everything is happening for me. I think it's only the thirtieth, I don't know, I'll be 36, maybe.

I don't know if it happened to you later or before, but it seems like everything is happening quietly. Well, from the age of 35, I had the impression that there was a part of my life that I controlled the most. In fact, I knew more about who I was. I think that at 30 years old, when I was in high school, what happened? But I was so looking forward to being 35. For me, 35 years old was like the top of the woman. There was like an image. And when I was 35, I found that extraordinary.

It seemed like I was more in full possession of my means than I was before. The kind of confidence, you know, because you start to have done a lot in your life. I found that extraordinary. It seemed like I was more in full possession of my means than I was before. A kind of trust, you know, because you start to have done a lot in your life. You've had experience with that, you've lived things. You know, look behind you, there's not much to do in your tool box, in your experiences. Enough to say, well, I'm able to face it. It's going to take a lot to destabilize me. And I put this feeling of taking power over myself. So you leave less to others and you take more for yourself.

And that's good, that feeling. I can understand you. I hear you and I am 100% with that. I think that I too, at 35, that I understand myself more and I have more self-confidence. So it seems that everything stabilizes in my life. I know that maybe in 5 years I will have moments of doubt or that I will go back a little bit, take a few steps back and forth. I think it was easy, it was two years or whatever. It's okay, I know it's going to be some ups and downs,

but my life is beautiful. I have people around me who are extraordinary, and I do what I love. I'm proud and I'm happy that I have an incredible community, and that I have fans who love what I do, and who give me, who allow me every night to do shows through Quebec, through the world. I was, before yesterday, I was at, I did my first big

theater in Quebec, you know, and I was there in the theater, and you know, 1900 people, you know, who paid a ticket, and I was, I was saying to myself, hey boy, I'm far from the little guy who played the games at night inbah in Saint-Hubert through Quebec. I thought it was incredible to see the path again. I did it in Don Juan, I was about fifteen years old, or twenty years old at the Grand Theatre, but to do it for you, it was like, hey! And people come for you. And people come and they trip. It's really, really cool.

Thank you very much, Jonathan. It's a pleasure. It was a real? It's super cool. Did you like the game? Absolutely. It was... Sometimes we want to answer quickly, but the reality is that you have questions that unfortunately you have to take your time,

as they think, because we don't think about them. Here there is no time. It's cool, it's magic what you do. We get out of this kind of life where everything has to be answered in two minutes. You have to have the right answer with the right words. Here it can be in the desert. It's perfect. Thank you for your generosity and your franchise.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you everyone and see you at the next podcast. This episode was presented by Karine Jonquin, the reference in the matter of skin care in Quebec, and by the Marie-Club, which is a space dedicated to the best-being. Table games, Open Your Game, Original Edition and Couples Edition are available everywhere in the store and on Randolph.ca.