Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - HORS SÉRIE | Caroline Côté | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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Today it's special because it's an episode outside of the series. A few months ago, I received a text from Brian O'Day, who you know, who wrote to me, « Can I give your cordon to one of my friends? He would like to talk to you. » Well, I said yes, so his friend Eric wrote to me and he said, « Hello, I'm Caroline Côté's partner. You met her on Univer, she's a chorus. She listens to the podcast and all that. And we celebrate her birthday. And we'd like you to send her a little word, if possible. And then he talks to me about her and I know she just got out of a more difficult period. on aimerait sa que tu lui envoie un petit mot, si c'est possible. Et là, mais elle me parle d'elle, et je sais qu'elle vient de sortir d'une période plus difficile,

et tout ça, je dis, écoute, qu'est-ce que tu dirais si on lui offrait un ouvre ton jeu? Qu'elle vienne s'asseoir avec moi, et si elle aime autant ouvre ton jeu, pis tu viens de me raconter ce bout-là de vie. Et bon, et finalement, je la connais aussi, je l'ai croisée à quelques reprises, pis elle est vraiment très sympathique. Et elle a dit oui. Donc aujourd'hui, c'est une édition spéciale, and finally I know her too, I met her a few times and she's really nice. And she said yes. So today it's a special edition and we'll be with Caroline Côté, who I'm going to discover in the same time as you. So, place to Caroline. There is still a side of me that understands the reason why people make children.

Then it was really an struggle inside for several years, a big discussion because it's about meeting what I am. I'm someone who loves helping others, being there for others, giving love. Not being a mother, for me, I see it as a big failure, a life accomplishment, of life. It's a really big decision for me.

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Today we have an off-series edition with Caroline Côté. Hello Caroline! Hello Marie-Claude! Caroline, if there are any people who don't know you, earlier I told you in the introduction that I explained why you are here today, how it happened and that we also know you as a chorus in Direct de l'Univers. How long have you been doing this? It's been about 13 years that I've been a chorus on the show, as far as I know.

What is it like to live that, to be a chorus? Because you know, when you watch the show, Caroline, you live moments, you walk in our living room, you know, there are moments of life that happen. There are people who live incredible things. And you are the first ones to have that, Saturday after Saturday. In fact, what you just said is that you cry in your living room. Well, we cry in rehearsal and sometimes even live. Because sometimes in rehearsal, we really have the context of why this song was chosen for the artist. So that really touches us a lot. Or sometimes it's the opposite, it's that we're not aware of it,

and it's at the show that we know more about it, and that we're pointing something out. And it's for sure that as a Korean, I always have to look at the audience, not look at the cameras too much, but what I prefer to do is really look at the artist, his reaction. So I don't want to lose focus. It's an extraordinary privilege to be part of this great family. Yes, because it's a family.

Yes, we call it the family of Saturday night. I understand. When you go as a guest, you feel so supported and welcomed. It's wonderful to be on this stage. France is an extraordinary captain. I think she chose a team to her image, who will always put the other one at the front, who will be generous, who will ensure that this unforgettable moment will be passed on to that person.

So we are really all in the same thought. That's all our goal, to be in the present moment and that this person is honored for his life, for his musical career and what he lives, the people around him. So when you were surprised to participate in Open Your Game, how did you react to that? Well, that was the key, actually. It was, well, let's see, because I came, as you explained coming to receive my private live stream. And I don't know if you... No, I didn't give you any details on that part. Okay, okay. I actually had a surprise on the set.

My partner arranged with the live stream gang at the eve of my 40th birthday to give me the chance to have my own live stream, surrounded by my family, my best friends, some members of my family, also video or whatever. And I also had the big wedding request that evening. So you arrived at the very end, so for me it was like, it was way too much. Way too much attention, way too much emotion,

and to have this privilege to be able to do this podcast with you, a podcast that I've been listening to since the very beginning, and that really touches me. It's really, as many say, a therapy to hear how people... In fact, people express themselves, they learn about themselves. Sometimes, by talking, it brings out things from their personality, from their experiences. And we learn from that, so it's really extraordinary. And now, you're going to learn from others.

Yes. You see, it's the opposite role. You're going to tell yourself, and people are going to listen to you. It's crazy because often people will say, oh, such a person, I wasn't sure I was listening to him, and finally I listened to him and learned something, and I won't see him like that anymore. Exactly. That's what it does. So when we see you on TV, we'll get to know you even more, Caroline.

Exactly, that's true. So are you ready to open your game? I'm ready. So you know the game, but I'm still going to present it. Green questions are general questions. The questions... I didn't take... No, it's. The yellow questions are more specific. The red questions are more personal. Now, there is a question for Patreon, the question Spa Eastman.

We have the Eros level. We have the Optoraiso question which ends all softly, our Open Your Game, and the Joker, so you can use it anytime and I'll move on to another question. I don't think I'll use it because I'm someone who's open-minded and I love to answer questions. Really, in life, it's one of my passions, to answer. I'm also an animator in life. I love to ask questions, to be interested in others, and to answer questions like that. When I was young, the girl of today, I bought her for psychotesques. You know, what kind of lover are you? What kind of... anything.

Yes, and sometimes you answered and you added points and it gave you your profile. Exactly. That's a passion for that. So, answering surveys, questions, I love that. So what I'm doing with you right now is a gift. Well, that's great. That's what we're going to do. So, green, you can put them on the table. You're going to give me five of them. Imagine a delicious ring of dough with a sweet mouthwatering spread on top. Sounds like a doughnut, right?

Well, if you spread New Philadelphia blueberry or New Philadelphia pineapple on top of your bagel, your bagel almost becomes a doughnut, right? Well, if you spread New Philadelphia Blueberry or New Philadelphia Pineapple on top of your bagel, your bagel almost becomes a doughnut. It becomes a bonnet. Turn your bagel into a bonnet with New Philadelphia Blueberry and Philadelphia Pineapple, made with real fruit. Perfect. I'll read them to you when you're going to choose them. Perfect.

There you go. I'll read them to you, you'll choose one, and after that, I'll choose one. Perfect. Thank you. So, what importance do you give to others? I'll wait for that. What makes you vulnerable? Where do you feel you have your means?

What is your worst flaw? And how do you react to authority? OK. You choose one. I think I'm going with my worst flaw. And which one is it? I think it's my lack of confidence in life. My fear of always seeing seeing as if I had something negative going on,

so I'm always in hyper-vigilance. Where does that come from, do you think? That's a very good question. In fact, my father is someone who is very anxious. So, but I don't think that my father necessarily understands that something like this happens all of a sudden. So, I don't know where it comes from exactly. Do you make scenarios? I make myself scenarios, yes.

And your scenarios, it's not what's most positive? No, it's never. You know, like me in life, the glass is always half empty and not half full. I have a more negative tendency than positive because I will always see the danger first versus staying positive and telling myself that it will be okay. For example, the marriage request, it's sure that I still had a thought to say, I hope I'm going to be okay that day, all of a sudden I get sick, all of a sudden something happens where I heard that a friend, her father I'll be okay that day. Suddenly, I fell ill. Suddenly, something happened.

I heard that a friend of mine, his father, had a heart attack that day. So that day is so important. I don't want anything to happen. So... You didn't say how it was going to happen. That's not what comes first. It's the fear that it didn't happen. In your head, when... Yeah, in the order of things. In your head, when... Yeah, in other things.

In other things, yeah, that's it. Because it's such a big event that you're afraid it won't happen. No, I think that I project myself and I see that it will happen, but I'm afraid that there's something in that day that makes sure it's not perfect.

In fact, I'm aware that it won't be perfect, there's never anything perfect in life. And I have to work on that. Do you protect yourself by doing that, Caroline? To protect myself. Well, from the worst. By foreseeing the worst, it's like nothing worse could happen. Yes, it's true, I've never seen it like that.

It's true, not having expectations or telling myself, maybe seeing things that could happen so I wouldn't be disappointed. We're talking about marriage as such, but it can be a lot of other things in life. Especially to come to the podcast here. I'm in my rules right now, so I was afraid that it would fall into my day

or that I wouldn't feel good. So I didn't stop thinking about that. And finally, it was yesterday, my bad day. So I was like, thank you. But if it had happened, if it had stopped that day, I was like, oh my God, what's going to happen? Because I'm not going to cancel Marie-Claude, it doesn't sound good, but at the same time, I wouldn't be able to physically do it.

Or I can take another example, too. If my partner, let's say, has a show or whatever, because he's also in the artistic field, and he wants to eat sushi, I'll say, well, it's maybe not a good idea, because if the sushi are never fresh, you could be sick, and you could not do the show. So even I, the director of the universe, when there is chicken, sometimes I tell myself, maybe I won't take the chicken if it's not cooked enough

and I do an indigestion, an intolerance, I couldn't do the show. So I give a lot of importance to not missing things because I could get sick or something could happen. Like there, I got full of supplements in the last few months, especially because I had a big narration contract for gardens. So I need my voice. And over the years, there have been times when I was sick, and I saw that I had deadlines to respect.

I was so afraid of getting sick, but this year, everything went well. I took supplements and I wasn't sick at all. Except recently, but my contracts were over and it was like a little rum that went very well. So I think I'm still in the hyper vigilance of that fear of getting sick and all that. And when you're sick, how do you live that? The worst thing is that when I'm in it, I'm in the fulfilled. I think it's worse than what I thought would happen when I'm in it. It's anticipation.

Exactly. It's unbelievable. But it's really more in those contexts. It's not necessarily in all aspects of my life, but it's in contexts where I have important moments, important things, and I think I'm so afraid of missing that important moment, that I'm afraid something might happen so that I don't have that chance to live it fully. But you know, hypervigilance is demanding.

Yes. It's demanding on the sleep sometimes, it's demanding for others too. Do you feel that sometimes, that need? For example, do you sleep well? Do your friends say, OK, it's beautiful, Caro, it's beautiful? It's OK, people know me like that. But at the same time, you're like a little mom. Yes.

Because that means you take care of others too. Oh really, a lot. I'm always making sure that everyone is well around me. That's true. That's true, really, totally. So that's your worst flaw. Yeah, I think so. I'm sure I have others too, but when I really think about what can harm me more in my life, and what else I have to work on, that I could go do therapy on that, that would really be related to that. Did you refuse things or say no to things in your life because you were afraid? Because your hypervigilance took over?

I would say yes, in my field, as an animator, there are things that I still refuse to do because of lack of confidence. But I'm a person who has a lot of self-confidence, but I'll give an example. I'm more afraid to be on a areas that I don't really know. I study on this and I get stuck on the subject. I'm afraid of not being up to it and not being able to bounce back on what people might say and look a little bit like a nigger, not mastering the subject, and that after that, at some point,

I'm like stuck in front of people because I find myself in front of people of great importance and with subjects that I don't master so much. So that, I'm preventing myself from doing. It will avoid doing it. Yes, I will avoid doing it. I'm not someone in life who puts himself at risk. There are people who are their engine to put themselves at risk,

but in life, I don't take risks in life. And I know that sometimes it could allow me to experience extraordinary things, but I don't go into that area. Just so we understand, because you said you're an animator, you said you do narration, you're a chorister, so... Yes, all of that. Yes, you're all of that at the same time. Exactly.

So, what field did you study in? So, I studied in theater at the beginning. So I had a university degree in theater. I started a musical theater training. At one point, there was a student strike. The students who claimed the cost of school fees and all that. And then I said to myself, I can't make my life if I just have a university degree in theater and a musical theater technique, where would it take me?

So I went to do a communication bachelor's degree at the University of Sherbrooke. And from there, the fact of having this certificate, this diploma, led me to apply to be a meteorologist. So I did television in meteorology, I did community television, radio also, M105, the Radio à Granby. Then there was a time when I wanted to be closer to people because I was behind a microphone, but in a studio where there was no audience. And having wanted to be an actress, loving to sing too, there was something in the fact of anime that was something totally natural.

And also, when I was young, I was also making shampoo announcements in my bath. I liked to be a representative of Clare. I liked to make the messages in the intercom or the secretariat. So, it seems that when I think back to when I was young, it seems that it's just natural today that I sing, that I animate, that I do narration. It seems that I was destined to do that, and it was like an evidence. So you do a lot of things at the same time? I do a lot of things at the same time. I'm an autonomous worker, exactly, yes.

And your chum also does musical comedy. Yes, my chum has his production company of youth shows, a show in which he is part of. He is also a comedian-singer, so he does musical comedies, musical projects, exactly, for many years since I've been with him. It's moving at home. It's moving, yes it's rolling. The question I'm going to ask you is, I want to ask you this,

what importance do you give to others? In fact, for real, as I said before, I was young. I don't know why at one point it kind of unlocked me. I think that day, maybe I was on my X, and I told myself that I had confidence in myself, that I had a certain talent in what I was doing, and that we were going to be together. I think that's what I was like when I was young. I think that's what I I was on my X, and I told myself that I had confidence in myself,

that I had a certain talent in what I was doing, and that we recognized it and that I was just fine. And I think that's what it brings to age. You know, like I just entered the quarantine, and I think I've never been so good all my life at the moment. So I think that quarantine brings the fact that we say that we don't have time to waste with people who are not worth it. We know who we are. We worked on us through the years.

So now I know who I am, I know what I have to work on, but at the same time I accept myself as I am. People around me accept me as I am. I think I'm a good person too. But it hasn't always been like that. No, not necessarily. When I was young, I was someone very sensitive. So as soon as someone made a comment, whether it was about my appearance, I wasn't a victim of intimidation. But still, if someone made a comment about my appearance,

if I wasn't the best, if I didn't have the best grade or things like that, I would cry, I was very locked up. If someone made a comment, I would cry immediately. I was not able to defend myself as such. And today, it doesn't really happen that I have negative comments, despite the fact that I have already been mentioned that in my role in Direct de l'Univers, I am someone who is very expressive, who has a lot of pleasure in my work. And I know that for some people, it hits you in the face because I'm too happy, too joyful, I smile too much, I move too much. There is already an auditor who treated us badly because he thought we were too much and all.

But that doesn't stop me because that's who I am. It's your birth. Yes, and I tell myself that there are people who will love me like that. So I think I'm going to lose the principle that 50% there are people who will love me like that. So, you know, I think I'm talking about the principle that 50% of people will love me, and 50% of people won't love me, and that we can't cry for everyone. So... It's important what you just said, because to be reached in our essence, and I'll give you an example and people will surely understand.

You know, I listened to Star Académie this year, it fait quelques temps que c'est terminé. Camille, qui était une des académiciennes, sa spécialité c'était, comme toi, c'était la comédie musicale entre autres. Et la semaine de la comédie musicale, elle se donne. Ils vont faire une audition devant le corps professoral. And then, listen, helping her character, being happy, but in the end, she's put in danger. And it's Garou, the director of the academy, who receives her. And he tells her why he put her in danger. And what he was telling her as the director of the academy, is that she was too much, that it was too much,

that it was intense, that it was, you know, that she had to know how to modulate that intensity, which is not easy. You know, when you're young, you know, it's like, that's it, and she was crying, and you know, she was saying, but that's what I am, that's my essence, and I wrote a paper on it in my newsletter called On the Line of My Thoughts, because it reminded me of something, to make me say that when I was young,

you're too, you talk too loud, but you know, when you're told that... You know, when Garou was saying that, I thought he didn't realize how much, when the person is fundamentally like that, you don't know what to do with those comments. But I think there's still a nuance to be brought, because Garou, the comment he said, I think it was to help him to maybe more anchor a character. Because when you do a musical comedy, you're a character. So I understand that she took it personally, but I think that in life, when

we're in the... when we're an interpreter and everything, we still have to learn to dose. When I started doing radio Marc L'autre, I spoke very quickly. I really spoke at the top. So by listening to me afterwards, I would even record my own songs. You improved. I improved because at one point I realized that I spoke way too fast. So in the end, it was really instructive to listen to me and to take a step back. So in the end, I think what he meant was not to be too, to be a little more maybe maybe, focused on her character.

But on the other hand, at her age, and I can understand that you saw it that way. And at the same time, Garou is not here to explain what he wanted to say. I don't think Garou said it like in a... I think that, like me, I had already been told that. Yes. It's hard sometimes to say something about what we are deeply.

We have to be guided to say how to module, how to stay the same person, but having more nuances. And that's true that it's not that easy. Sometimes it's the time, the situations, because I would like to talk to her now, Kamé, once she hears this. What is the path? Probably it leads to nuances, but it remains that when you are told that as a chorus, it's good to say, well listen, it doesn't belong to us, it's what you think. We are that. And we are not always strong enough in life to be able to say that. In fact, there is a context in direct from the universe, when the camera is on us, we give ourselves and everything, because the camera sometimes is on the main artist, where there is a number that has several people. But in everyday life, on a stage where there is really a main artist and only us,

we're not going to be, as they say, too much to want to have attention. We do it for the show as such. And if I go back to myself, I've already said that there are contexts in which I speak a little too loud. So it's also about being able to adapt. If I'm with my spouse's grandparents and I start talking very loudly, I can understand that they're more into the word relax. Older people often speak more slowly.

I still learned to adapt to my environment. But when I am animating, I am myself, but I still adapt to the public. If they tell me that they are all men of 50 years and more, that they are guys of construction and that I can go and do the little jokes. I'm going to adapt to that. But if I'm in another context, and I'm in a benefit party for women who are violent, I'm going to have a more relaxed tone.

I understand. So I'm really going to adapt, but it's still in life, in everyday life, keeping that vigilance of respecting everyone in the context I am, I'm going to stay myself, keeping this vigilance to respect everyone in the context I am in. And I think that in my best qualities, it's to be this girl who is always happy, who is always happy, who is smiling. And for others, it can become the worst of my flaws because they get hit on the face.

Because you naturally are like that. Always. I get up in the morning, I'm in a good mood, I see someone, hello? And there are people who think it's too much, like if I was fake. But I'm really like that. Hey, that's hard to prove. Yes.

You know, to be true. You know, I mean, I'm true. I'm not a real person, I'm true. The real thing is always hard to prove. We would say, you know, why would we have approved the real thing? There are people who have already doubted. But after that, when I was looking and taking a step back, I realized that it was people who were the complete opposite of me.

Or sometimes we know when people will say something against you, Marie-Claude, often it's that it hides something underlying, it's jealousy. Maybe you reflect someone who knows, who doesn't like. So that's why I detach myself from that. So the look of others, for real, I don't have a hard time to re-touch that. Do you think being in a relationship for a long time with someone

you love, who you trust, who asked you to marry not long ago, does it also help to change the perception of the look of others? Well, in fact, it's as if there wasn't much more to say. The importance I would give to other things is less.

Because I am actually a single daughter. I have two extremely loving parents who admire me, who encourage me, who have always been there for me. So I've always had a lot of love and from my spouse, I've never had any part of doubt that she wanted to leave me or that she didn't love me anymore, even in the most difficult moments that we've been through because every couple had difficult moments. We're talking about 22 years of couple, it's for sure that there have been some things. I never doubted. So I have sincere and deep friendships for many years.

I am a loyal person. When you are my friend, I will keep you until the end of my life. I have friends that I can count on. Friends who have been my childhood friends for three years. Or friends from adolescence or friends from Cégep. I have friends who are over 10, 20, 30 years old. I feel loved for what I am with these people. So your bases are solid.

Ah, my bases are very solid. And you make me realize that, Marc-Laude. You know, sometimes when we talk, we realize the chance that... In fact, I realize the chance that I have to be so well surrounded and to be able to do what I love the most in the world. You're well surrounded and loyal. Really. Oh yes. It's really important to me. Well yes. And you know, the duration, it's people who have seen you through all kinds of moments,

who know you and who you know too. Yes. You know, sometimes words are less necessary. Yes, it's true. It's just that at the same time, I have the impression that when I see these people, I'm going to talk about my friendships, you know, my boyfriend saw me in the least beautiful moments. Or he saw me in the moments maybe where I wasn't always the Caroline that people know.

The nice Caroline. I've sometimes been mean in my words. I think we've all been like that with our spouse or with our parents. They know us so well that unfortunately sometimes they see the bad side of us. But we would say that in friendship I never really showed that side of me. As if it had never been necessary or that I never needed to go until that phase. So sometimes people talk about me really with just a little bit of beauty,

but I'm still quite humble to say that what they say about me, yes, it's true, everything they say, but I still have a part of me that I don't show because I don't need to show it. And at the same time, I think I surround myself with people who make the best of me come out. So if someone in friendship made the least beautiful of me come out, at the age I'm old, I would be able to beat that person in my life because it wouldn't be worth it.

So you, who sees your glass half empty. Yeah. It's like... It looks like it's the be worth it. So you, who sees your glass half empty... Yeah. It's like... It seems like it's the opposite right now. No, but that's not what I... It's that you organize yourself. It's like one side of you is aware of that and one side of you wants to fill the glass.

Yeah. It's like you're... Because if you weren't well surrounded, I have the impression that it would be difficult to live. Oh, possibly. With your first reflex to see what you don't have and not what you have. To be more negative than positive. Exactly.

Yes, really. You are surrounded by people who you may have even moved away from who could have brought you more negative. Yes, indeed. There are not many, but there are people, indeed. It seems that with the pandemic, there are people I have seen less naturally, because we couldn't. And there are people that I realized were more vulnerable or that I had more negative energy, energy thieves and all that, and that I didn't have time for that in my life. In fact, I'm so busy with all my work.

With all that you told us earlier. No, that's it. I'm going to give time for people who will bring me good and all that. Are your friends... Do you realize that they're trying to make you more positive? Do you feel that without naming them, they fill your glass? No, because I'm not negative with my friends. I'm not angry with my friends.

It's in your head that you're angry with yourself. It's in myself, it's in situations situations in life that I'm in hyper-vigilance and all. It's not... For real, you'd ask everyone who knows me, is Caroline a negative girl or angry or... He'd never say no. Do you call that anxiety? Yes, I think... Yes, I think it comes from my father, at least, the big family of Anxieux. And I think I really have that in me.

Yes, because that's inside the anxiety. Exactly. I think I have to be born like that and apprehend a little what could happen. Well, I don't know if you read the Hamster by Serge Marquis, a community medicine doctor, but it's because the Hamster is this little voice, and it's this little hamster that can go fast, fast, fast. And how do we manage these thoughts that speak in all directions and take up space? It's really interesting because there are several people. Sometimes, anxiety is... At times, when the hamster leaves... In any case, it's a book that was translated into several languages around the world.

Wow, I'm going to put it there. I advise you, you don't have to, but what you describe is that. It's so interesting in relation to the ego, these wounds of ego that hamsters will sometimes leave. It's crazy because I don't go back to the anxiety crisis that I've already experienced in the past, but I don't go back to it because it's like there were two Carolines in me. There's the little Caroline that I really need to reassure,

and there's the 40-year-old Caroline who says, well, you know, it's going to be okay. So sometimes when I go to bed and I have a little anxiety about something, I tell myself, right now, let's say, I'm going to say anything, it's 8 p.m., you're in your bed, I'm in bed and I'm a little anxious about something. I tell myself, right now, let's say, I'm going to say anything. It's 8 p.m., you're in your bed, you're not going to fix that right now. You're going to bed and it's going to be okay. You know, because you have to bring yourself to the present.

Yes, you're successful, but exactly. Exactly, because sometimes I don't have control over something. But it's always the president who... Yes. How did she say that? Eleanor Roosevelt, who was the wife of President Theodore Roosevelt, she says, I'm not going to lie, she says, the past... Wait, my God, it's flat that I don't remember.

Wait a minute, you know, tomorrow... It's like she says, the past, we can't do anything about it, for example. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today, it's a gift. That's why we call it the present. Ah, a present. A present. I thought it was so beautiful because it's true that... No, that's it. She says, yesterday it was history. Tomorrow, it's a mystery. Today, it's a gift. And that's mystery. Today is a gift. And that's why we call it the present.

I have goosebumps. It's wonderful. It's wonderful, isn't it? That sentence. And I think that it allows us to say, look, yesterday it's over and tomorrow it doesn't exist. Listen, I absolutely have to tell you, the sentence that my mother repeated the most in my life, it's one day at a time. My mother lives one day at a time every day of her life. She never thinks about the past, she never thinks about tomorrow.

My mother is anchored and that's really the greatest legacy she will be able to give me because she often repeats it to me and she always tells me, stop being afraid. Mom, I'm afraid of, I'm afraid of, stop being afraid. Because she's in the present. And is she, has she always been in the present? Always. My mother, I don't know how she did it, it looks like she was born like that. She's really in the present.

So she doesn't let herself be overwhelmed by things? No. On the other hand, she's still a bit anxious. When I go somewhere, even if I'm 40, text me when you arrive. Oh, that's what happens on the road. Because you're his daughter. I know! We're all the same parents. I know! So there's this fear of anxiety that something is happening to me.

And I'm a little... I've been like that a lot since... As soon as I'm explaining, I'm always afraid that something bad is going to happen. But fundamentally, my mother is anchored in the present. And that's really what I... You have a beautiful model. Yes, really. Yes. But being anchored in the present, it's...

For me, it's the challenge of my life. Really, to trust and to see... In addition, I am surrounded by humans, but I still have the impression that there is a kind of power up there that's lucky and guides me. I really feel like I was born under a good star and I'm really lucky. Really. Are you ready to move on to the yellow side, Caroline? Yes, I'm ready! So, please give me four.

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What did you not receive from your parents and what did you miss? What was your most beautiful professional moment? What do people repro blame you for? You're going to pick one up too? I'm going to pick one up after. OK, perfect. I might have the feeling of saying, what did I not receive from my parents and what did I miss?

Perfect. In fact, it's not something that I wasn't given. It's maybe something that we... Well, in fact, yes, it's something that I... It's not something that I missed, but it's something that maybe I wasn't given, that led to things. I'll explain. We'll get there.

No, but it's good that we'll understand. Exactly. It's that, in fact, I think that my parents, when I was young, and maybe we'll answer the previous question, they have always been very vigilant towards me to protect me. So I think I've missed freedom. So when I started to ride my bike, it was not far from the street. If you go to the park, you come back at this time, which is normal for every parent, but I really felt anxiety, fear.

So we would say that everything was dangerous, everything was... And it brings me to tell the proof that I had in my life. In fact, my life has always been like a path full of little flowers and butterflies, a long, quiet river. A life with loving parents, together. The weekend we worked, the weekend we went to the cottage. Full of love, no obstacles, no obstacles. Until the day when, as I said earlier, at one point there was a student strike and I decided to go to university. And then I went to university

in Sherbrooke, so I find myself that I don't really see my job very much anymore because in addition I have a part-time job in a restaurant to earn money. So you move? I move to Sherbrooke in in a city I don't know. I work the weekend, so I still have hours that I have to devote to work too. I have to make new friends, which I never had to do because in Chambly,

where I was, when we left school, we all followed each other to another school. Because you had never moved in Chambly? Never, no. A super stable, super quiet life. Like I said, zero trials. Really. And at some point, I put myself at the test. I went to Sherbrooke. Because in fact, I would have wanted to go to Montreal,

but the registrations were terrible. They didn't push the registrations because of the strike, but in Sherbrooke, yes. There were co-operative internships, and I saw a great opportunity to have a degree there. So, to make new friends, to live alone in an apartment with a roommate, something I had never lived before. So, I did it for a year,

and at one point, I left with a really very... ...anodinous fear. I was on my way to Sherbrooke one morning, I had an exam, my finger was swollen. And then I said to myself, oh, it's weird, my left hand finger is swollen. Left hand swollen, heart, oh my God, my heart is beating faster, oh my God, I think I'm having a heart attack. And then I had a big heart attack on the side of the highway. I called my husband, I'm dying, I'm dying.

He said, well, no, my husband is talking to me. What's wrong? I have trouble breathing. I have a feeling of loss of reality. All that. So I panicked. Then finally, after that, I called my father, who had come home in a trot.

So I went back 30 km per hour in the direction of Ackotnant to return to Chambly. And my father took me in his arms and said, I know what it is because I've already done it myself. So basically, I've had anxiety attacks for a very long time, I was afraid of having an illness, I was afraid something would happen. And I thought about it and my husband told me, you've never experienced anything, my love.

I think that's why I reacted that way. We also call it an adaptation disorder, because I had been so overprotected. My parents have been so careful that everything is okay around me, that nothing happens, that it wasn't planned. And that we didn't move, my parents didn't separate. You know, I had a very easy life, and I was just testing myself and a new environment, not seeing my friends a lot,

not seeing my parents a lot, not seeing my husband a lot. And at that age, precisely, 17 to 24, let's say, I was 20, the beginnings, in love, do you want to see your boyfriend? It's all your life, and all that. And I missed him and everything. So on the highway, you were on the road of the distance, of everything that was stable in your life.

Exactly, Marclotte. My God, I really like how you evoke it. That's exactly it. When I took the car, I was moving away from my anchorage, from what I knew. But at the same time, that's not life. Like you, I know you've moved a lot of times. You must have made friends again, but it made you the strong woman you are today, who must be able to adapt more. Yes, but at the same time, Caroline, I lived, I was in over-adaptation. And when you're in over-adaptation, well, you forget, you define less because you're always

what others need. You know, what do we do? Well, as you want. You know, you're always in a situation when you move, you don't have a choice. If you have a resistance, a rigidity, you don't go through, you know? So when you move often,

you become... So, but you know, adaptation, it's a when you move around often, you become... But you know, adaptation is a challenge in life. Like you, who had... It was more like you had a rigidity without knowing how to adapt because you didn't have to adapt. In fact, it's like your parents adapted the environment

so that nothing happens. It's like adaptation comes from the outside. Or maybe it's also the chance of life to have a really easy life, in the sense that my parents didn't move, they didn't separate, everything was going very well. Because when you saw your friends, you saw that they didn't live like you, that they had more turbulence when you were young. Well, it seems that I didn't really have a lot of friends.

I think of a friend in particular who had his parents separated, and it wasn't necessarily easy with the stepmother and everything. But otherwise, in my surroundings, my friends were pretty much all with their parents. You were stable. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I put myself to the test, but I think that's the most beautiful thing that can't happen to me. I needed to break that, that perfect life, and to be in the water like that.

Otherwise, you would be in line like that for the rest of your life? That is to say, you didn't say, I'm going to go to the end of the world with a pack of bags? Oh my God, no. But even today, because of all my hyper-vigilance, I know people who told me, Caro, you should go on a trip alone one day. It's extraordinary. But I'm a sharing girl. I like sharing things with someone, whether it's a friend or my lover.

But I should do it to learn more about myself, to show that I'm capable. But it seems that I'm very scared with the society we live in today. I would be afraid to be attacked elsewhere by someone because of the men, and not because I'm not more beautiful than another, I'm a woman. And we talk a lot about it now.

I find it flat that today I'm afraid to be a woman maybe in places like me. Currently, we're in Montreal. I don't live in Montreal. I'm afraid something will happen to me on the street, but on my little suburb of the south bank of Montreal, I feel like I'm in full possession. I'm not afraid at all.

But do you think... I've had parents who look like me in the sense of naming fear. Fear of falling if you fall, fear if you get attacked. But I remember when I was young, I shouldn't have known all the dangers that awaited me. You understand?

It's like there's less concern because you're young and it tells you that there can be dangers everywhere. But you stayed with that anyway. Yes. Because you couldn't think of it in Montreal either. Yes, it's true, if I hadn't necessarily been raised... Because you're still not in a dangerous neighborhood. You understand, sometimes, yes, it's late at night.

But it means that you still live with something stressful inside. Yes, often for many reasons, but also that's it. My parents, I don't want to put it on their fault, that's for sure. Oh, well no, but... No, really not, because there are external things, I mean, today's life, I don't listen to the news necessarily because there are so many things going on that I'm still aware of what's going on. But you still have to be aware of what you're saying, because I think I raised my children a little like that too, Because that was my reflex. But it was the dangers. I think I should tell my children about that. Because I think I quickly made them aware of the dangers

they were expecting in life. But it's okay, it's perfect. But you shouldn't create fears. Yes, but that's it. The limit is so thin. You want to protect them, but at the same time you want to give them a form of freedom somewhere. It's hard to be a parent, presently, I find, in this world.

And that's one of the reasons why my husband and I decided not to have one. And that was a very difficult decision to make, Marc-Laure. Especially at the age that I turned 40, since the last two years, it's been really big discussion. Regarding our lives, regarding the fact that when I wake up in the morning, I'm so happy to do everything I do, and I see the arrival of a child, to shake all that, my freedom, but also with the society we live in,

to always be afraid. My parents were afraid in the 80s and 90s, when not much was happening. Yes, we sometimes heard about a man with his car who could sometimes take off pedophiles. It seems that at first I have a memory of a car that we had already talked about, a man, be careful. But today, there is so much more than that

with social networks and all that. And it brought a lot of our thoughts to my spouse and me to do like, do we and I, to think, do we want to raise children in today's world? And now I'm telling you this in front of a grandmother who's lying to us, grandmother. I don't like to say that because there's still a side of me

that understands the reason why people raise children. It really was an internal fight of several years of big discussions because it's still going against what I am. And it was really an inner struggle of several years of big discussions, because it's still going against what I am. I'm so someone who likes to help others, to be there for others, to give love, that not being a mother for me, I really see it as a very big failure

of life accomplishment, of life mission. It's really very big decision for me, anyway. And you thought about that for a long time, because when you were younger, you said, I want children. We always said we wanted some. It was like an evidence, but without talking about it. It was like, one day we'll have some.

And now, good or bad, careers, our careers take up a lot of space. And when you're an artist, it really takes several years to build something solid. Today, I'm an autonomous worker, but I worked on it, and at one point I had to trust myself. I got there. But I lost the film. I was wondering if you had already wanted to do it. Oh yes, exactly, thank you. So we had said that we would eventually have it.

And at one point, time passes, time passes. And at one point, I became an example at 36. And then I started talking about it. But then I see that my husband, at the level of his career, is not very stable. And then he says that he wants to be stable before having children. But I'm like, you may never be stable. We can't wait for that. You know, as such.

And then there were also maybe little Sometimes it's a big disappointment to do auditions, to get to the end. It's between him and the other. And Eric is always the good second. So at one point, there was a kind of heaviness too. It brought maybe some little... not some friction, but it wasn't easy for the couple necessarily. So it's like at that time, it wasn't that much time. And then I settled that a little bit through time, a little bit the kinds of pebblesbbles I threw in my little backpack,

that at one point I was like, that's his pebbles, it's not my pebbles, so I have to let go of that. So at one point, 38 years old, comes that at one point you have to ask yourself the question, because there is a biological clock that at home never rang. I have friends who said, my God, it was visceral. When I was with my husband, I was like, okay, come on, it's time. Let's have a baby. Let's have a baby. But I never necessarily felt that. At one point, we had to ask ourselves the question.

Then it was really a question of our way of life, a question of the society in which we live. Then the fear, precisely, that we had raised a child in today's society, especially with social networks, the quest for extreme beauty. You know, it seems that we have lived so many beautiful years when we were young in this kind of, I'm not going to say naivety, but life was easier, you know.

So it's a huge eye for me. And I found it difficult because I tried to get help, but there is no help for women who make the decision not to have children. There is help for people who lost a baby, who are infertile, but not help for women who make the decision not to have children. Because it's not because I made the decision that it means that... There's no mourning to be done. Because a lot of people told me,

you can't be in mourning for something you've never lived. But I think that in my motherhood, I projected myself, I saw myself, and at 40, I said to myself, what will the rest of my life be like if I don't have children? And then it really was an existential crisis. I defined myself as, one day I'm going to be a mother, and that's going to be the rest of my life. It was a pride for me.

And for me, the women who have children are powerful women, and they are women who are still the best humans than me, who are superwomen. They suffered by giving birth. They cried because they were exhausted from not sleeping. They took care of another human being. I have this kind of feeling. You have a belief in that. Yes, I feel like I wouldn't be a human being

because I wouldn't have become a mother. For me, the role of mother is the biggest of roles. All the women who are mothers, I have an admiration for them. It's as if you had made the image of being a mother without wanting to have children. I think I would like to be a mother from time to time. It's natural that at some point it would happen. I'm so maternal with my husband, my family, I take care of everyone, my friends.

For me it was natural, I was going to be a mother. Tell me, Caroline, do you often get asked, and do babies come to you? How do you take that? Because you know, sometimes it's maleable. Because there's like a reflex when you see a couple after a few years, and the babies, but when it's not clear, when it's not named in the couple,

how did you take that? How did you live with those comments? Well, in fact, it's more recently, because before, it seemed like we were saying that we still had time. So the question was just, well, it's not right away, but at some point... Ah, you had an answer. We had an answer. Yeah. Today, we have to explain to people why we won't have it.

Because often, there are people from a generation more of baby boomers, where making children was like an evidence. And I find it hard because, in what I'm going to say, Markelaude, there's a side of me who would have liked to have had to have children so as not to have had to ask myself the question and that we're all equal in life. We all have children and that's what we have to do. At the same time, on the other hand, the most beautiful thing we can't live in 2025 is to be free of choice. Yes, yes. I think that if we had asked women at a certain

time who should have children, I think that if we had asked women at a certain time, who had to have children, I think of my grandmother and all that, I think they would have liked to have the choice. Exactly. But you see, I'm a little bit like, if it had been in my grandmother's time, we wouldn't have asked the question, everyone would have been the same. Because I found it hard to assume to make the choice. And that's why you say that women who decide not to have children, or men, but since women wear it, we are more targeted. You would have needed help to talk about it.

Yes, I cried. I got up at night and then going to the bathroom, I constantly thought about it, at all times. I would cry about it, asking myself, do we make the right choice, will I regret it? And of course, it's the fear of aging alone. But what reassured me was to chat with people who are offered to the beneficiaries, and to tell myself, it's not because you have a child who will come to see you

and who will take care of you later. Friends, it's the family we chose, and I'm so well surrounded. And basically, you and take care of you later. Friends are the family we chose. I'm so well surrounded. In fact, you don't have to take anything for granted. It's possible that I die alone. But it's possible that the people around me die alone. And the people around me, I'm talking about not having a big family, no children, I'm a single woman.

It could be that I don't die alone because I'm going to have people around me extraordinary anyway, or nephews, nieces, or whatever. We don't know. But you know, it's this side of women that we can raise. I met women who had children and who at one point became my opposite, so they couldn't have children anymore. And I have friends who told you how they found it difficult to know that they didn't want children anymore. But to know that the body couldn't do it anymore, it was really like a life crisis, but it's strong.

So I understand what you're saying, I make the choice. It's hard. Well, not to have it, while I still have the possibility of being a child. And I would have liked that, in fact, I would have liked it to be an experience. I would have wanted your, you know, like, in fact, I've already lost a baby. We had already done an experiment, I lost it in a month. For me, it was just hope that it had given me at that moment. Because I was afraid of not being able to get pregnant because I had been taking the pill for a very long time.

But that had told me, look, it's not the right time, but it will work. But after that, at the moment when I was maybe ready to start again, that's when we had the big discussions. Do we really want it? There was the pandemic and everything. The precarious status of our jobs too. There are a lot of things that interfere. Exactly. And you, as you are in hyper-vigilance, quickly. I ask myself too many questions in life too.

And people have often told me, stop asking questions. Go ahead, go ahead. Because a few years me, stop asking questions, go for it! Because a few years ago, when I tried, I didn't ask myself the questions. If it had worked, I would have been in the bath and stopped doing it. But then I had time to ask myself all the questions, to turn it around, and unfortunately, my husband is...

well, unfortunately or fortunately, my husband is like me. When we bought our house, we stored it and we chose it. We don't do anything quickly because everything is so thought out. We turn it around, questions are asked and everything. And I think that day marks the other that compared to the children, I made the right decision in my life.

But it's because I see my friends who have children. I see them running out of time, I see them running out of time, I see them being blown away, I see them. But on the other hand, it's for sure that when you talk, if you put the word unconditional love, I know that it can erase everything, but I see them unfortunate, running after their tails. And I tell myself, it's especially at the age that I am also 30. It's a personal choice. You know, having children, not having children, as you say, it's a personal choice. Having children, not having children, as you say, it's a choice.

It's a freedom, but it doesn't mean that because we make the choice to have them, that it's easy. No. But I think that for the girl I am in the career I am, even if there is a side of me who tells me, there are plenty of people who have children and who have the same career as you. And there are some who are much more over the top than me too. But I think that in relation to the couple I have, the life I have and the happiness I have in my life, to have added that layer, even though sometimes I don't even have time to see my family, my friends,

and it doesn't make sense. And it would have really been necessary, being a woman, and I don't like to say that because there are men who, as I take the example of Melissa Bédard, it's her husband who stays at home and she continues her career. I find it so beautiful that there has men who take this role. This responsibility. This role, yes. Yes, this role. But I think it's the right decision, but it's still a huge grief not being able to carry life,

not knowing what this child would have looked like, all the moments, all the griefs from all the first times, to learn life from a being, a little being, you know, all that. Listen, the list is long of everything I would never live. And now, are you at peace? More and more. And I think what also helps is that my beautiful brother gave us the immense gift of having a child with his partner. And so now we are the mother and daughter of little Eva.

And so the fact of being a mother, I am already a mother of two extraordinary boys that I love. It's just that since they were children of my friends, it doesn't take away the proximity that I have with them. But now, this little girl is really in the family. And I'm a single girl, so it's not even blood. But still, it's a little doll that's there. And I already feel that we have a connection together. I was able to sleep with her recently. Nobody was able to sleep with her, and she fell asleep in my arms.

It looks like there's something. And my great-sister is really extraordinary about it because I feel that she leaves me space. Knowing the choice I made, she lets me change her bed. She lets me take her. I had a lot of friends who really wanted to keep their child for themselves. But I don't say it in the first degree. I have a lot of friends who really wanted to keep their child for themselves. But I don't say it in the first degree. I say it in the second degree, in the sense that they said to themselves,

it's my child, so I have to take care of it. And it's fine, and I didn't want to, but I never kept my nieces and nieces as friends. But now I feel that I will be able to do it. And I dream of the moment where I could maybe keep it. Unless she stops in the summer, but for example, if I keep it and she sleeps and wakes up in the night, I would like to wake up in the night and even make it a white night and try to put it to sleep and take care of it.

I want to taste the parts of what it could have been. It's like I was building a lot of hope there. And you know, you will have some importance in the life of that child too. Yes, really. You understand? I'm going to have the best of her because sometimes there were moments when our friends, we went to their place and the children were turbulent. And then, my husband, when we went there, we were like,

ah, we're going to go back home alone. Yes, and for parents, to have someone like that, it's reassuring too. Yes. That's what I was saying earlier, it's like I wanted to be a parent, but in a partial time, when I have the time and when it's time for me, but that's not it, it's an engagement. I like that we take this time to talk about it, because we talk a lot about when we have children. We don't talk enough about when we don't have any. Exactly. And because I'm 40, it was a bit like crossing paths. I said to myself, 40 years have passed,

but what am I going to do next 40 if I don't have children? Do you feel liberated to have made a final decision? Yes. Because I'm more and more at peace. You told me, I would have done the podcast a year ago, I was tormented. Do I make the right decision? And sometimes I would come back to my room, are you sure we're doing the right thing? And all that, but today, with all the arguments, well, not the arguments,

but this kind of list that I built, that we built, my spouse and I, for, for, for us, I think it's the right decision. And that's so relevant to you. Exactly. Tell me, what type of lover are you? I'm glad you asked that question. I'm a very big lover. I'm passionate. My husband, I'm so in love with him, I admire my husband. I'm so in love with him.

As a lover, I'm always there for him, to listen to him. Eric and I have a really unique relationship. When we cook, we can talk for three, four, five hours. We always have something to say to each other. And we have very rich lives with everything that happens. Sometimes we don't see each other for three or four days. And we're so happy to take that moment with a good bottle of wine to tell ourselves everything that's going on. I'm someone who's really very careful.

So I can be the one who's going to put a little message under her ear because I'm going to do an animation contract, and in the evening he's going to see the little message. I'm going to have prepared some dishes. I always make sure that he's well. Are you okay, my love? Are you too hot? Are you too cold? If I were to make my own Louise Sigouin, I would be extremely codependent.

I really take care of him. And that too, the fact that I don't have children, I already consider myself a mother with my son. So I have to be careful too. Being a mother comes with the fact of sometimes reprimanding him on household chores that are not done. They are not done at the moment I would like it to be done. Because in my head, a house is a house in my mind.

I like it when it's clean and all, but I'm a vacuum, my husband is a slag. I would like him to clean it up right away, but he wasn't doing it on time. But if I didn't put it on time, he would push me back a couple of days. So that's it, I'm very loving, very passionate. I'm always touching him and I'm happy because he likes it. There are people who don't like to be touched in life. I'm always flattering him. I always say that I find him beautiful.

My boyfriend attracts me, I find him beautiful, I like him. For me, he's the most beautiful guy in the world. I admire him for the person he is. And he's someone very positive. So it helps me a lot. Ah, so that's the balance. A lot. A lot. He trusts life. He's always positive.

And he's really extraordinary. So I'm really like that with him. With the little care at all times. And always thinking of him. He sends a little message. I love you. I think of you. All the time, all the time. So I'm really a very big lover.

Could you travel without him with someone else, for example? That's a good question. I could. It's just the only thing. I could, but there are people, and I won't answer, but there are people with whom, when I'm with that person, it seems like he's missing a little something. Like if my... you know, there are people with whom I could go on a trip, but I would end up getting bored of my boyfriend, of his presence, of sharing things with him. And I think there are people with whom it would be a little less difficult. There are people who fill the space and time, and the fact that they are not there fully

because of their humor, because of what they bring to me. And then there are people who are a little calmer, who maybe at that moment I would have needed to... They would miss your job. They would miss my job. Yes, I think so. Because in fact, I have so much pleasure with him. We share everything together. And because it's been 22 years, it's been longer since I've been with him

than not being with him. So when we say, you know, it's my half, it's really a big part of my heart, this person. And it's so simple. We think the same about so many things. We think the same way about so many things. We like the same things. If we go on a trip together, it's so easy going, Marc-Claude.

You know, if I say I'd like to do this and that, he says, we do it. Not because I decide, because I'm always the girl who says, hey, I thought we could have gone there. What do you think? So I'm not a germaine. I'm not the girl who says, we go there, we do do that and he doesn't have the right to say his word.

Because you have similar tastes. We all like the same food, the same wine, the same trips, the same movies, everything. It's really... it's your alter ego. So much. You know, there are some that look alike, there are others that are the opposite, but we are those who look alike. And then marriage, I think we are there. Oh my God, Marc-Claude, it's all a case.

Precisely, by the fact that we are two people a little bit like that, who wanted everything to be perfect. Yes, it's true that perfection stands out in what you say. Yes, and my husband, he's a shell above me on that. Oh, okay. But we are aware that it will not be perfect, and at one point we thought, we have to go back to the basics. Why do we get married? It's because we love each other, and we want to surround people we love. So, you know, in our parents' time, they went to church, it was the community room.

And it was that. But the industry of marriage, Marie-Claude, is an industry. And when you see the submissions we receive for the room, for the dealer, the alcohol, We don't have my dress, I don't have my chum's suit, I don't have my DJ, videographer, makeup artist, hairdresser, you know, naeemit. There's so much spending. So I'm like, are you going to pay 35-40 thousand for one day? And then if something happens that day, Marc, If you do that outside and it rains, it's going to be a chapter. I'm glad you're talking about it. At first, I wanted to get married in a barn. Because I saw that on Instagram, Pinterest. Wow! It's so nice and chic, a little bohemian.

It's going to be heartwarming. I see pictures of people outside. And it's so beautiful. The Golden Hour, sunset, everything is... wow, okay? But now, we thought to ourselves, Collin, if it rains... You know, there are a lot of granges that, for this wedding outside, it was a white tent. Personally, we don't find that very pretty, we really need to decorate. Otherwise, they call it a pre-op. It's a roof with pieces of wood on each side, and you can get married underneath. But now, we start about exactly what you said,

Marc-Laure, if it's cold, if it's too windy, and if, when you take the cocktail outside, it's too hot, there's too much sun. The wedding of one of our very good friends last year, someone decided to leave the Tondeuse at the same time from the ceremony. For me, the ceremony is the most important moment of the whole union, of the ceremony. For me, the ceremony is the most important moment of the whole union, of the whole...

The next party, it could stop there. Same thing, there will be no children at my wedding. Why? I can't have a child who cries during my ceremony. You really thought about everything. That's it, but Montcham is like me. But it was terrible. And then, at some point, plan A was the farm, but sometimes there's no air conditioning, you have to be all in location. Sometimes there's no chairs, no tables, it's a lot more things. So what are you going to do the two of my dreams wedding

because I'm not ready to pay the price because I think it doesn't sound good. I have to try to find a plan B. Plan B was to convert church into a show room. But that too costs a fortune. And after that, the plan C is to find a room that is all included. And you know that you can invite people, there are people who can also arrive after the wedding.

What I remember in the rules, surely people who listen to us will take us, is that you can't remove guests. If you invite guests, for example, at the wedding ceremony, the others who follow until the end. You can't tell them, no, it stops here, but on the other hand, you can have guests for the evening. And they're not at the ceremony.

But it's okay if they're at the ceremony too. If you don't want children, they might say, yeah, I'd like that. They could come later with a child. But on my generous side in life, I want my friends to take advantage. And my friends, mom, we know so much about their, about their children, that I'm doing this evening. You're taking a break. It's also going to be your evening with your lover. Yes.

And you're just going to think about yourself. I had guardians at my wedding. Yes, well, yes, there's more than that. There was a guard. Because I was thinking, well, we're going to take a break. So I was thinking, how do we do that? A guard. But I understand your level of vigilance, and everything you just described.

But it's exhausting, Marc-Claude. I understand. How are you going to get married with all these constraints? In fact, that's it. In the C-plan, it's really a room where everything is included. Even the decoration is included, and it can be really beautiful. But the concession to be made is that it might be in Montréal,

whereas we all have a lot of people from the South River who don't really like Montréal. And I also tell myself, But the concession to make is that it might be in Montreal, while we all have a lot of people from the South River who don't really like Montreal. And I also tell myself, what will it be for the photos? I couldn't take photos in Montreal, you know, it won't be super beautiful. So, you know, in fact, it's that every place we found, it was never 100% of the criteria we wanted.

So that's it. But at the same time, there's something beautiful in there because there's a job of release and take. That's what I've been working on all my life and that even today I have to work on, as I explained to you earlier. Did you listen to the series Les Mariouses? No, but I listened to... It wasn't Les Mariouses, it was the other show, where there were... People who get married. People who get married and go see the wedding of others and give notes.

Exactly, I listened to that. I like that. Because when I was on TV, the wedding guests did two seasons. I listened to the second season in Rafale. I love that. You see all the issues, the problems, but at the same time you see beautiful places, beautiful sites, the reasons why people want to get married. There are some that it's the ceremony, there are some that it's the food, there are some that it's the party. We don't have the same importance, but it's pretty fascinating, this universe, anyway. So, you may have found a place, but, you know, in Montréal-Aupé, take a look, you're going somewhere else.

You know, even the Botanic Garden, it's not beautiful. Yes, it's beautiful. You're promoting a wedding, I love what we're doing. Oh yes, but you know, and for real, I recently told Eric, I said, for real, it's so complicated, it's so expensive. The demand you made me was so grandiose that we could stop that. Yes, you could do that, sometimes in the little ones. It's just that we are so surrounded and loved that people would be so disappointed. And we shouldn't do it for others, but not to share that with our little core of people

because we would decide to go get married all by ourselves in Italy, just before a ceremony and all. It would be a shame not to share that. But you're right that it really made it an industrial. Oh, it's too much. And people are ambitious. Really ambitious. There are places where you have to take, let's say, so many rooms.

And at $400 the room, because you're in a hotel. And we're like, you know, it's not in a good mood. So there are people who are ambitious, but at the same time there are people with a heart, who have small businesses, especially people who have big businesses and who are just small. Well, I wish you a beautiful wedding. Thank you. Well, thank you.

We haven't found a place yet. We're on it. You'll find it. You'll find it. Oh, you have to let go. But you know, some people know what they want. And you know what you want and what you don't want. So you have the combo. When you find it, it's going to be a beautiful ceremony. And when there's the thunder, you tell him earlier, you speak loudly. You'll say, yes, your yes louder.

But we're not getting married outside, so there won't be thunder. But you know, they could have a... No, but... I don't know. They could have in the building a fire alarm. I have no idea. I've done interviews sometimes, among other things, where you are on case of dispersion outside, and precisely the thunderous noise that goes when...

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm my biggest regret would be not having traveled enough. It's never too late, but I think I have given great importance to my career and my son too. My son was really lucky to travel a lot with his parents when he was young. So I think his need to travel was fulfilled. It wasn't trips to Europe or Asia or things like that. I was lucky to have an extraordinary childhood,

where we went to the chalet every weekend. So it was another type of trip. But I wouldn't change my childhood for anything in the world. We also went to see my grandparents in Rivière-du-Loup, which was always so appreciated and it was so much fun. But the only trips we did, my husband and I, were to go through Quebec. We have extraordinary places. I think of La Gaspésie,

the Nouveau-Brunswick, Charlevoix, etc., Quebec. But we only went to places that were all included. So we didn't explore. And I would like that too because it's also to challenge this controlling side that we have, him and me, to want to control everything and that everything goes perfectly well. But yes! Anyway, we had been to Virginia Beach to make an apartment,

and we realized that the Airbnb we had reserved didn't suit us because the room was really scary. The people we were staying with had dogs in cages. There were people who were there, a family of young children. Our room was glued to this family room of young children. So we thought, we'll never rest. So in the middle of the night, at 3 a.m., we left the AirBnB at 14 o'clock. Did you come back?

No. OK. We had to find another place. Okay. So we put ourselves on the phone and we ended up finding it. But you know, it's the kind of adventure like that, that we don't live often because everything is controlled. But I would like to put ourselves in the challenge more. And you will get to know each other in other ways.

Exactly. In other situations. Yeah. Well, it's for sure that we're not talking about a trip to Paxac, Marie, for example. You know, I'm talking more about, I would going to Europe, you know, something more comfortable. Sometimes when you know less about culture. Yes, but it's true that it's also about freedom and learning. You know, all the tools we're going to look for, sometimes there are situations

where we have to go and look deeper into that box. But we have so much to learn from other cultures. So much. And sometimes we're a little too in a tunnel vision, a little with a few things like a horse, with the little things on each side of the life we lead. Sometimes we also have the impression that our life, we are lucky to be in Quebec, we feel safe.

It's fun to come back. Yes. Oh yes. When you go somewhere else and you come back to Quebec, it's fun to find Quebec. It's fun to find your home. It's like we're renewing the appreciation of our life somewhere. It's funny that you say that because every time we put our feet back in the house, we always say, are we well at home? We love our house, we chose it and we renovated it to our liking. on se dit toujours, on est-tu bien chez nous? On l'aime, notre maison, on l'a choisi, pis on l'a rénovée à notre goût, t'sais.

Fait que ça, c'est vrai que c'est... Des fois, faut s'éloigner pour plus apprécier ce qu'on a vraiment proche de nous. Mais j'ai ce besoin-là vraiment d'explorer, parce qu'en fait, n'ayant pas d'enfants, je me dis, faut que j'explore le monde. C'est ça qui va changer, là, dans le fond. Ah, vraiment, là, c'est les projets, là.

C'est ça, là, j'ai dit, faut absolument voyager. That's what's going to change in your life. Oh really? It's the projects. I said to myself, you absolutely have to travel. I have to go see other cultures, other landscapes. I have to take advantage of life because in the end, the thirty years it was really about building our career, this kind of stability, and stability also of couples. Because in the thirty years, really, it's been there since we've been together, we've really solidified that. And with the demand really, it's been there since we've been together, we've really solidified that.

And with the demand too, it's like, my child, what he tells me is, I want to spend the rest of my life with you, and we choose each other, and we really want it to be one and the other until the end. And where would you like to go? It's for sure that I think a lot about Europe, because it's more of a well-known land. But where in Europe do you have a place you would like to visit? You say, I would like to visit? I would like to go there, I saw it on TV or whatever.

Well, it's for sure that Paris is for me a city that attracts me a lot. In the job I did, we often sang Paris, we have musical comedies, things like that. The only thing is that my husband has already gone to work, so he still saw Paris and associated it with a big dream that he has to be able to do a musical comedy there. So it looks like he doesn't want to go because he associates it with work. But I think if he goes with you, it will change. It could, yes, that's for sure. Seven hours of flight.

Yes. And you arrived in Paris. That's for sure. That's for sure. No, but Paris. If you go to Paris, your chum will follow you to Paris. That's for sure. Now you tell me, honey, we're going to Paris.

No, but in the sense that I understand that Là tu dis chérie, on s'en va à Paris. Non, mais dans le sens que je comprends qu'elle suit ça au travail, mais c'est aussi une ville d'amoureux. Ah, tellement. Paris, c'est... en tout cas, c'est parce que là, j'aime tellement cette ville-là que... Ben, tu sais, il y a Paris, il y a l'Italie, il y a l'Espagne. Tu sais, pour nous, Marie-Eve, Jean-Vir, Jean-François Brault, le fait que se sont connus pas mal dans les mêmes années que nous.

Éric et moi, on s'est connus en fais got to know each other through musical comedy, Marie and JF too. It's a bit like... The projection of our couple is a bit like Marie and JF. And they, with Don Juan, are Spain. So there's a lot of Spain that attracts me, in relation to that. The romantic side, the Spanish dance side, the romanticism associated with Spanish music, the landscapes and all that. So it could be Barcelona, Madrid, or Italy.

Because at first Romeo and Juliet was a musical comedy that we listened to. You were really romantic. Oh my God, I didn't say it earlier, but indeed. You're romantic. I'm in love, a romantic, a passionate, really, really, a very big romantic. Ah yes, so you, Venice, Rome, the Malphitan court, in fact, a little everywhere. Oh my God, oh yeah. And do you like to eat?

Yes, I like that. And you? I'm really greedy. Oh yes, I have the misery to leave... when there is a full plate, I have the misery to... I can't waste. I can't waste. It's for sure that if I'm really full, I have to bring a doggy bag, like they say. You understand, I can't waste.

I can't. And I really like to eat. Hey, but you have to do it. Go with an itinerary, with a little bit of sweet in it. You know? A little bit of... You know, like just let yourself go and say here we like it, we stay three days.

And you know, just let yourself go. And, here we like it, we stay three days. You know, just let it go. And I'm glad you say that, Marclon, because you make me think that when I... Because I'm going to say, I organized the trip to Gaspésie, because in fact, I organize, I suggest to my husband, he says yes, no, yes, no, no,

and then, well, but when we went to Gaspésie, and it was a 10-day trip, and we slept so many days in this place, so many days in that place, so many days in that place, I had planned activities around the clock. And one day, my uncle got angry and said, my love, he said, it's too much. He said, you know, right now we're seeing the lake of the Americans in Gaspésie, but you're already thinking that we have to hurry because you have to go see the fall on the other side. And then you have to hurry because after that you have to go eat there at that time.

I made up my mind at that time. I wasn't in the present at all. It was breathtaking. And I did, you're right. So after that, when we went to New Brunswick, it was really, really smoother. It was more like, we're really going to be three days there instead of doing one day there, one day there, one day there, we're going to sleep there. You're going to put down your suitcases. Yes! And here are the possible activities.

Yes. And we're going to get up in the morning, we're going to look at the weather, and depending on the weather, what do we want? We have options, and we'll do what we want. Because it makes a big difference with our daily life, which is so planned. And one day I realized that I wouldn't see everything, even if I went to the gaspésie for 10 days, you won't do the tour of the gaspésie in 10 days. You make choices and you have to breathe the gaspésie.

But no matter where you go, it's like that. It's unbelievable, Marc-Laure, because every time you say something, it brings me to say something about how I am. I don't get it. What you're telling me is that in life, if I visit the Gaspésie for 10 days, I want to see the Gaspésie in full. So that's the problem. I'm in a hurry. I want to see everything. And you don't understand the Gaspésie, you see? Because the Gaspésie is the Gaspésien. So you have to have time to talk to people. When you go to the restaurant, you have to have time to talk to them. If you're going to visit, you have time to talk to them.

Yes. So we all have this mentality of going somewhere and having the impression of I want to see everything. You come back home, but what do you hold on to? You look at your photos, but what do you hold on to inside of... You know, when we visit, we're going to say, well, this people, these people, I had a crush on them. I was in Alsace that year,

and the Alsatians, I was like, wow! You know, you visit a vineyard and they're juicing for an hour, two hours, you know, they take the time, and you know, we don't take the time anymore, but we said, it's an hour, two hours, you know, you understand? So that's why, but what you say about

the Gaspésie in 10 days, there are so many people, because you know, my family is in gaspésie, and I've heard so many people say, do the gaspésie tour in 3 days. I'm like, OK, you do the gaspésie tour in 3 days? But you didn't get off your car. You know, you just really saw a lot of things. Yes, but I would have liked to see everything. And that's why when I'm traveling, I change because I had a bad experience with gastritis.

Because I said to myself... But if your husband hadn't told you, would it have been okay for you to say that you've been doing activities for 10 days? Would you have been satisfied with that? Yes, because I felt like I was living life to the fullest and having seen a lot of things. But I know that despite everything,

I would still have felt like I hadn't seen everything. And it would have been worth it. And that's why, to your question, you know, the regret is that I would have liked to have started traveling around the world in advance. Because now, at 40, I know that I would never have the time to visit all the countries in the world. Well, now that's half of your glass empty. There! Hahahaha! Well, now I'm going to explain something to you, Caroline.

Go ahead, go ahead. It's because it's never too late. I know. If you say that at 50, 60 years old, you have to start to get used to it. Yes, I have to stop saying it and do it. That's it. When we know there's something,

and I'm talking to everyone, when we know there's something that's living in us, and we say, I should have done it, I didn't do it, I had the opportunity. But it stays there. It's because you have to go. Exactly. So instead of traveling, maybe you would have started traveling when you were younger,

and you would have said, finally, it's not as bad for me. And then maybe it will start older in your life, and it will tempt you more because you're more free to travel. But look, we have a window in June, where it's a little bit more quiet for us. But because of the whole marriage story, that it's been three months since we've been looking at the place, and that we're really looking forward to setting up the place, because we're competing, with all the other people in Quebec who are going to get married in 2026. So when you find a room, sometimes there are two dates left to be available. So you're not going because you're going to look for a room?

No, I want to go anyway. It's just that the more time goes by, the less I risk having the time to take a lot of time to plan a more complex trip with a ticket. Because going to Europe, if you don't just buy a ticket, you have to... No, no, that's it. You have to have a minimum.

And I've never done that in my life. So you have to rent a car. We did it never done that in my life. So, you know, you have to rent a car. We did it in the United States a little bit, but you know, it's... You understand that it's more complicated. Unless you go to Paris. In Paris, you land, and you can rent a small apartment, something, and you don't need anything anymore. That would be easier. There's food everywhere.

There are the roundabouts. Yes, and the public transport, transport works. You have nothing to... Yes, it's still a city, and not... Yes, that's it. Because when you have less time, sometimes a city, you know, like Barcelona. The sea, the Mediterranean, is in the middle of the city of Barcelona. The Olympic facilities are on the edge of the sea.

You know, Barcelona, you go swimming and you go eat on the white sand. Then I'll tell you, I'll advise you later on the white ram. Then I'll say, I'll advise you on your trip. Listen, son! No, but it's always important to ask yourself, the time we have, the time we have organized the trip, our budget, and then we make a trip as a consequence. But do you see that I see it all the time as super big and complicated? Because it seems like I haven't lived so much of the big complex things.

Yes, that's it, but it's so simple. So simple. So. No, I love traveling so much,. It's because you buy a ticket, especially when you have the money to do it. You buy the ticket, the next day you're there. You take a taxi or the subway, and then you arrive in the city center, for example, in Paris, plus an AirBnB, a hotel, you go there, it's over, you get off your suitcase, you go to the market and everything is done. Or what I also thought, I have a friend, my boss, it seems like Donniver Jason, who is a very good friend to my husband and me.

He went to Ireland because he is of Irish origin. And I thought it was a trip that seemed a little less complex because it looks like it's just greenery, it's cliffs, it's castles. And it looks like there is like one way. It's less complicated. But it takes you to another car. Yes. And you have to drive left. But it takes you anyway.

Yes, one path, but it takes you anyway. A little detour. Anyway, but maybe less complex than in Antalya or in Spain, maybe. Because it's a wider area. Yes, that's it. But it's a reverse path. Yes. You know, it's weird.

Sometimes you think, hey, it's coming at us. Oh, well, no, it's us who's going. Yes, it's a wrong way. Yes. It's weird. Sometimes, everyone comes to us and says, «Oh, no, it's us who are going!» But you're right, Ireland is a... It depends, you know, what you want, the city, the countryside... Listen, we're making a guide for people. No, but it's true, because it's more countryside, Ireland, it's more... But it's exceptional. But we love the landscapes. We love landscapes a lot.

We're not as big of a city. On the other hand, Paris is a roundabout. Maybe, if you have someone who can guide you. But you have to go. He will give you news, you have to go. It's my regret, but it's never too late. We have to make a mourning in life, we will not see everything. We will not read everything, we will not know everything. So we have to take what is in front of us.

The rest, sooner or later, we never know. Now we're going elsewhere. I don't know if she told you have to take what's in front of us. The rest, well, later or never, we don't know. Now we're going elsewhere. I don't know if she talked about that, about that level too. We're going to talk about the erotic level and the companion. So, sexual, sensual questions. Give me four please. By the way, I had made my request to Lucame to be a sexologist. And I had was accepted. But my passion for music, singing and dancing, led me to pursue my studies in musical comedy. But otherwise, I really have a passion for talking about sexuality.

I have a great openness to that. Even my 25 years old, it was a sexy party that I had done. So these are subjects that I really like to approach because it's something in intimacy that interests me a lot in people. I had a sexy party and everything. So these are subjects that I really like to address because it's something in intimacy that interests me a lot among people. You know, always in discretion. You tell me what you want to tell me,

but I find it really interesting to see. Wow! Yes, really. So it's your level. Hey, I love that. So please give me a card. I'll take those four, please. Ah, that's interesting.

Yes, really. How has your sexual life evolved over time? Is it easy for you to express your desires within the couple? Are you comfortable with nudity? What place do you give to your intimate life? We only have one answer. OK, perfect. What do I take? Because being with the same person for 22 years,

the evolution has just been made of itself. It's not like I can tell you about the experiences I had, expressing my desires in the cup. I told you so much that we had a nice communication, that it's so easy for me. The nudity and the place I give'accorde à la vie intime. Tu peux même me picher la dernière, on va la tourner. Ah oui, mais là, quel rôle joue l'intimité émotionnelle?

Ben, j'en ai parlé aussi beaucoup, le fait qu'on se parle tellement. Je pense que je vais aller avec la nudité. Oui. Est-ce que tu es à l'aise avec la nudity? Yes. Are you comfortable with nudity? I would say yes and no. In fact, younger, in a little bit of a crazy party, I've already put myself in a little armchair, or at some point to laugh, I had taken off my armchair and I had hidden my breasts with my hands,

so I was almost naked. So I've always been comfortable with my body. I'm comfortable and all. But the nudity within my couple, I'm comfortable with my chum seeing me completely naked, I don't have any misery with that. What made me complex for a long time, what still makes me complex, is having a small chest. I would say that what has made me more complex for a long time, and what still makes me more complex, is having a small chest.

So I would say that this is still a complex for me, because it seems that being a woman, in my ideal, when I think of a woman, is the chest. So there is something in there that makes me complex and makes me think that I might not dare to show that aspect of my chest more. In fact, I would be embarrassed if people saw me naked, even though, honestly, my husband really likes my little chest. And I think I have really nice little breasts. And I see a lot more of having little breasts.

I think they age well over time. Gravity doesn't do its job because they're small. But if someone had to see me naked, I think I would be embarrassed to show them anyway because they're small. And it's as if it took away my femininity. I would have really liked to have a more voluminous chest. Because I find that there is a lot of sensuality,

of femininity that goes through the breasts. And that's the reason why I understand women. And I just want to be clear, for example, it's not because there are women who have no breasts anymore that they can't be sexy and sensual. I just want to make that clear because there are people, I know, who get mastectomies. There are some who decide to keep their... they call it a flat chest. I thought they gave a name that decides to go to the reconstruction of my mother.

And there are some that don't develop breasts too. Exactly. So I'm not saying that women are less feminine. But in my opinion, for myself, I think that if I had more breasts, I would have been more desirable, I would have been more sexy, and I think I could have been more sensual in the expression of what I am. So I think I'm just putting myself on something else.

Have you ever thought about increasing your mother? No, because I take a lot of accepting as we are. So you went towards acceptance. Yes. But I'm telling you this because as it took up space in you, and you were wondering about that. There is still this possibility. But when I see, you know, for real, when I see a breast crack of a girl, I find it so beautiful.

And I tell myself, my God, she's lucky. I find it beautiful. And I find her lucky. You know, in the end, I find women who have more breasts lucky. Because I find it feminine, I find it beautiful. I find it really beautiful. The body of a woman, I find it really beautiful. And it's not, I'm not attracted to it beautiful, I find it really beautiful. The body of a woman, I find it really beautiful. And I'm not attracted to it, I just find it really beautiful. And it's something you would have wanted.

Yes, exactly. So that's it, it's really always... Maybe I'm more of a observer because it's something I would have liked more. And I find it flat because I remember more of my times with my father than if I had remembered my mother, who, she was older, she also lost weight with the disease, but she had a generous chest and I find that really beautiful, a more generous chest. So in relation to nudity, I would say that, you know, I don't want, with my gang in Direct de l'Univers,

it happens that we change in the same room, all together, and I don't have a hard time showing myself in a bra and everything, but I would be embarrassed anyway if the girls saw my breasts, even if I find them beautiful, the fact that I'm from the gang who has the smallest breasts. But what is... How in your head, how do you see, how could they react to you?

They could... Well, I think that... Since I think that girls with small breasts are lucky. In fact, some of them assume that way. But I'm sure that my breasts always have a little help, a little help, a little something. So it's not representative of my real chest. So I think I would be afraid that if we saw my real chest, we would say, oh my God, they're much smaller than I thought and they're really small, you know?

And I have the impression that people in life have not really often seen small chest of their eyes, especially because I presume that what people see on the porn or things like that, where there were many years where we took the big chestnuts, now we may take more popo-tins. But you see, the actress and the comedian Eve Landry, who really has a small chestnut, I'm talking about it because I'm going to say why,

because we saw it naked in a T9. Yes. And at the same time, it's true that it could surprise. But I received her, we were in an episode at Marie-Claude, where we were talking about femininity, breasts, and she said that it took her some time to accept to have a chest that was smaller. And it was at the time, it was, in the look of her chum,

that he accepted her like that. And to say, well, that's it, and I'm fine with that. And it was funny because she said, now I'm free. She didn't think about that anymore. So even when she accepted to show herself naked, she thought about it again, and finally she made peace. I liked how she talked about it, about freeing herself from... It's like... I wouldn't want to say what she didn't say, Eve,

but it was like freeing yourself from a complex that could exist in the eyes of others. Well, that's exactly it. Well, listen, you just answered. Because when I look in the mirror, I find myself pretty, I love my breasts, and I know that in the look of my chum, he finds them beautiful too. But that's exactly what you just said, it's in the looks of others, because it seems that in society, there are people of all kinds, but it seems that society has often imposed the voluminous breast to demonstrate sensuality, femininity, that this was

what we should have. And it's not for nothing that at one point, women got their breasts enlarged. It was a lot for the look towards men, for the man, for the desirability side, for him to like it, but also because we had the impression that we had to do it because it was less beautiful, or it was less normal, or it was less feminine, or whatever. So I understand the women who are being ablated by the saints, who really want to have it back to preserve that feminine side, but at the same time, it's true that we don't need to have saints to be a woman and to feel desirable.

At one point, I had animated at CHUM an event where we talked about all forms of mastectomy and reconstruction of my mother. I interviewed many specialists and many women who went through mastectomy. There are some in there who didn't want to have a reconstruction. And sometimes they had to justify themselves. Because you can do the reconstruction at some point, right after mastectomy, there are some that you can wait for. But they said, I'm going to be fine like that. And there are some who said, I'm going to be fine, and then they go to... So it's something that... it's choices too.

Yes, totally. And it's the flat chest. I think we say, I'm just going to try to say the right word, because I was very sensitive to those women who said, I have a double mastectomy and it's going to stop like that. And it will be, it's my body, and it's beautiful somewhere. It's beautiful to say... But in fact, I think if it happened to me, which I don't want to, in fact, I think that if it happened to me,

which I don't want to be sure, I would go, I would go in the same direction. I might have a bra, a false bra that would give me one, but in the end, it would seem that I would have the impression that it would be a foreign body, it wouldn't be me. It wouldn't be my story. But women, you know, we have a lot of choices. When the disease comes, like that, for example,

if you learn that you have cancer, mastectomy, is there reconstruction or not, what form, at what time. There are a lot of... But medicine is there, for example. At least there are possibilities. We can go where we want. But I'm still curious to know, you say that you wanted to be a sexologist. Yes. That's something you would have wanted. Do you think we talk enough about sexuality with our friends, with people, even with your chum? Because there are still still taboos in relation to sexuality, because we have the impression that everything is fine in everyone's life.

Yes. But I think we're talking about it more and more. In fact, I, in my gang, in direct from the universe, without wanting to say anything, it's like, it's revealed. We often talk about sexuality. We often talk about it. And me with my guys of girls, I often talk about it. And with my guy, we talk about our sexuality,

we liked such and such thing, what would we like to try? So I think, in any case, in my environment, I find that a lot is being said. And sometimes, I may be lacking a little discretion, maybe, some questions. Sometimes, even if I'm super open, sometimes I tell myself, maybe I'm going too far in what I'm reading. And maybe there are people who go a little too far in what they're reading, basically. But no, I think we're talking about it a lot, and more and more, I think maybe it's maybe more with young people that I would really like to talk about it more.

So that they understand well. Yes, they understand more. Who has the right words, the right way, not to do, but education in fact. Yes, really. To be more educated. And I'm glad there are so many podcasts now, like Sex Orale, like many other podcasts, which talk about sexuality. But Sex Orale does all the work.

Really. Joannie and Lisanne. Yes. Because the title can sometimes be a little scary. Yes. But oral sex means that we talk about sex. Yes, exactly. It's in that sense.

And there are taboos, there is no taboo. But sometimes when I listen to it, I'm a little jealous, I would tell you. Yes, really. Sometimes there is a little jealous side, whoop, then there is a side, oh, I didn't know that. jealous. Yes, really. Sometimes there's a little bit of jealousy. After that, there's a side of, oh, I didn't know that. That it existed, yes. Yes, after that, it confirms things. We question ourselves, we position ourselves.

We say, but look, what is he telling? And I love when I'm being called like that. Tell me, do you think that a life, your sexual life, a healthy sexual life is like one of the important ingredients for your 22 years of community life? I think so, because we have so many lives where we put our work first, that if after that we don't have that intimate contact, it goes so fast that we don't take the time to love each other. In the sense that we love so much what we do that's as if we were content with it.

But sometimes we do the same thing. Do you realize that it's been so many months since we've been eating at restaurants together and taking time together, just the two of us, because we're happy with what we do? So it's important. And I think it's important to always live the flame, to show that we still want each other. So yes, this intimate contact we still want each other. So yes, I think this intimate contact is still important. But at the same time, it also goes with our rhythm.

We don't have to do it at an X frequency or whatever, it's when we feel it because we shouldn't forget about it either. So I think there's really a question of respect, of rhythm and all that in there. There's something that I find beautiful in that. Last question, the optoraiso question. When you look at the whole of your life, what makes you proud? In fact, I am here, let's say, today, at 40, I really feel like I'm on my X. And I know there's a lot of luck in there, good stars, but at the same time, I know that I worked to be where I am and I went all out. I was talking about my parents and all that earlier.

I want something, I'm going to go all out to get it. And my son also helped me a lot to believe in myself because I was very anxious. And as I was saying before, I was someone who really saw a stable life, with a good salary, pension fund and everything, really like a life that my parents had. And I thought that's what I needed to have. So my child really opened up the horizons that it could be a life by doing what we love. So what I'm proud of today is to really do all the jobs

that I love. And I also find that I'm a good person, and I'm proud of the person I am, because my parents really gave me extraordinary values, generosity, to make others go through before me. This really comes from my two parents. My parents are always there for others.

They make soup. I remember my mother saying that if I have a friend who is going on a trip, it's for sure that it's written in my agenda on the day before. Write to Annie for her trip, and then I text her, Good trip, my friend, I'll think of you, I hope it's going to be fun. And then when she came back, I wrote a note of when she came back. You know, you take that from your parents? Oh really?

You said they make soup, is it to give to others? Oh yes, yes, yes, it's to give, they make it for them, but they always make more and they give it to others, you know? They make services, you know? So I'm happy to be able to continue this, from what my gay friends have told me. I think that these are really beautiful qualities of... Human. Human, generosity, empathy, thinking of others.

And you know, we were talking about sex-horror, precisely, everything that can happen in the field of sexuality. Well, I'm happy to be a person who doesn't judge others. Yes, we all have judgments, there are things we disagree with, but I'm a really open-minded person. And whether you're big, whether you're less beautiful, whether you're disabled, whether you prefer men or women, whether you say you're neither a man nor that you say that you're neither men nor women, that you're trans.

I'm going to respect you and you're going to interest me. I think we have a lot in common, you and I, Mark-Lond, because I would have wanted to do a podcast like the podcast you do. I would have wanted to think about it and I would have wanted to do it because it's so interesting how others think, how they live, the personality. I learn so much from others, from my friends, from what I see, from artists who go to the show, from the universe, from the artists, from the people who go to your podcast. I feed on human. Where do we come from without saying anything? So much! So basically, to answer your question, right now I'm on my X and I wouldn't want to be elsewhere. I've never been as good as I am in the present moment

because I feel completely fulfilled and accomplished. I'm proud of what I am. I'm happy with the people around me. I feel loved. I love. And I'm accomplished in everything I do. So I'm really lucky and happy and satisfied. Well, thank you, Caroline.

Thank you, Marc-La. Wonderful meeting. Well, yes, well, what a privilege. So, I wish you a great marriage and a beautiful trip. Thank you very much. Thank you, my dear. Thank you. So thank you everyone for being there and see you at the next podcast.

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