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Episode Date: October 2, 2026

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Recoe someone who is Issue Inue Guil Kormier Thank you Thank you very Thank you very

Thank you for Thank you for I mean A vent new In fact In the air public There's something

That's something You're You're coming Of the MOUK It's been at Chardard? There, it's a year,

one year. September, I've quited my function September, 2025, I'm staying in the

accompaniment just in March, but really at the beginning, it's a year,

that I'm that's a more, I'm going to be a time. You're the principal

of Desjardin, how many? 55,000. 55,000. 50,000. And probably to travel the Canada.

So, so, so, so, it's a lot so, the money also,

the Quebec which is how you view the fact that you have put this responsibility

like you because I'm just to know I'm just to know how it's how it's when we're

to get to get to get your just so it's wrong what you pose as you question

because when I'm when I'm doing president in 2016 I was I was always

to work in I'm not a progression natural but it's like a okay a other

mando a other defier a relever and then I'm preside this organization then. And then

a while after I've really brought the port of to say, okay, one Quebeccoe on two

does it, he has his epangue with us, it's in to our hands, it's on our pension,

his own and when he will be to be able to be able to work, he counts on us.

And there I've also the importance of the post that I'm because I'm said,

Desjardin, it can't not too be true to be it's, we have to that's a company well,

and that's this pressure that rest long because you're doing, these people they count on us,

or they're for their project, or so for their retreat. When you say the importance of it, and in

2006, since I've been the after I've been the President of Desjardin, it's probably

the thing that I have the most soestimed, it's at at what to not

to have an imputability, the responsibility, I have suestimate how I had suzisisisis decisions

of every day, the 10thens of decisions, the gross, these little, these important, the more important,

but there, to me up, to me say, okay, I'm not trying to put it to be able to be able to

I'm going to be more later, but today, it's really really, it's very very much progressively

yeah, and there, it's parted more rapidly that it's had arrived, all these responsibilities

that. Yeah, exactly, you know, I said, I, I've presided Desjardin, and in

In the same time, I was ready, I had started at the bar, I had made the different steps, the caseyer, director of account, director general. So, frankly, you're on preen. I'd, I'm preen. I'd, I'm preen. So, I've developed this muscle,

that, to bring these responsibilities, to make these errors, to learn, to listen. And then, I know, I know, I say, 55,000 employees, it's a lot, but you do you do so,

but you're not, you're there. There were, there were the million of gestionaire that, so it was really a of the work of the team.

But and when it arrived, the arrest, let's on from September 2025, I'd say that

until to know until you're still on the adrenaline, of the agenda, what's the thing I'm doing, what's

that's the time, okay, there's a time, you're there's a time, you're there's a time, you're

going to be to be a because I've all the time to be like that, noel is coming,

oh, and I'm going to get to the time of the secs on month of March,

I'm parted with Julie in Europe in a month and these two months, Marri-Claude, they're really, it's like a

car, it's like a thing, it's like, it's like, it's really really good, and when I'm going to be more more relaxed,

a lot more more calm, more than, more posed, more, so it's the two months, my grand

mind. Like, you're trying, to be to be in the way, and I love, to be in the

water, I'm in the year, the fact, to pass the time, that, to the exterior,

with the family, with my my repose, my my parents, you know, it's just

being out to just be out to be there and be able to get out of the airb in the time of the

time of the so, that's a calm a bit of a bit of before. Before,

before, to arrive in other responsibility. We'll be there. Is that you're ready

to open to do you? Ah, well, it's a very like I have to do that

it's a place that, it's so it's a question of order generic. The,

the level on is more specific to your is a level more

intimate in the question personal level of you're that's eros, so I'm

question, I'd say, sensual, sexual, sexual, intimate, but it's not you're not

it's not it's not it's not that's it's not it's probably to be really hard

to respond to that. I'm more I'm to ask I'm that I'm

you know I'm you've offered an opportunity. You know to say to people to say to

know in the way, because they're doing, we're doing a good to be in

their way, we're doing to be in a way, exactly. We're that great

privilege that. And Opto Reso, it's the question with the question with

the question, that's always a question I think that's that's

that's often it's often it often it has been a resumé and you

it's a joke here so you if you try you're too

you're too you're not your question, you you're a another question. So it's a protect.

And it's a protectage, and it's also. So I can go to where I want, and I know that you can't be able to be able to you can't do the table. You can't give me and give five of this level

that. I'll read the questions that you give and then, then you will choose one, I'll tell you the five,

you're in to choose one to which you will me respond, and after I'm also of these five, for you.

So, so, which person has made a difference in your life, what's that's

that's that's you vulnerable, what kind of child were you, what phrase

you repeat you often, and what place you're to get to your time?

Wow, these questions. What kind of were to start so.

So, let's go back, my father was a electrician, my

mother was a cout a the house. So it's a infant, it's a lot of my parents

arrived, he had been, he had got rid of a farm on the rive south of Montreal, so it's in the years

70, we have built our bungalow, we have two children, and I, and I've had been

many of the things, many of the most of the important of the time. My father was an

electrician, he had been at the Bay James, but he had all the time, he had on his

house, he'd on the terrain, he would help his friends, his sister who had some

some of the many times, some things like that, my father had had the boys and he had to do

the so-soul electricity. So I realized with the time that what my father was really the importance

of the work, it's the importance of the to get and my mother,

she, she had been cuturier at the house. So when I ran

to the school, my mother had there. So my my mother,

it's the gentias, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, to be able to be able to do with, so, so that. So, so,

I'm there's, that's, that's that's, that's, who were many,

but who had been there, there's, there, there, to have, to be a

, you know, at the school primary, public, the second to go to my little, but I'm

going, but, but the , I'm to learn. There are there are physics, chemis, all the science, it's really not my domain,

but really, all the people, the world, I did do theater in secondary three at the school of Mortagne, at Boucherville, because I had the good

to try it, I'm ret, I adored so. So, I'm always that, to do you, and after that, it's been,

it's been HEC, but the parko scolair for me, I, to meet other person, and to me

help me to grow up and to develop the ability of communication social. My parents were people

with the people, there were always, there were people, the young, the boys and the boys who

came to the house, so, my parents me, my parents, have learned have been

when you were young? I was not janeed, but I was like, let's say, there were the

gang, there's the gang, like, the gait, there, the gang of nerds, you know, cool,

and there's the gang really, you know, they're really, they're really special. I'm like in a second gang, let's on. But, you know,

I'm talking to the first gang, in the team of hockey, I'd never ever to make the elite,

but I was always on the bar two, I was just I'm really a lot when I was

I'm really because you have been playing national when you're young? I love to

for hockey, I've for the age of I've been to I'm going to more than the hockey, but you're going to

the hockey, but there's never more than I made that to fabricate these games, I'd make amusing, I'd enjoy, and when it's arrived

a age where it's plus, we're going to be blessed the other, I'm even not not made the the last year I've

been to fight So it's a bad So it's a No, to be not to go No, no, I'm

absolutely not, I'm I'm not, I'm sure I'm not, I'm not to finish my last year to hockey,

it's not a day, because I'm because I'm saying, the game how I like that

what you What's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what you've got to ,

one, I'm having to the hockey has brought the concept of the , so, the importance

of the importance of the importance of the importance to to be the one on the other, the importance

to gain on the team, the importance of to respect to the trainer, the importance to respect your own

there's a thing, there's also respect to, so the sport of the team has made really the

dimension that we're going and we're together, and we're going to and we're going to realize

some of any other project that's that's quite, and the other sport that I've made

to do the age of the age of the golf, it to start to go the

I'm going to gore south of Montreal, there's a golf that's over not long to where I'd be able to, and I'd go to golf, and I'd go to golf, and I'd goate to 15 dollars, my mother, I'm doing so much, and I'd have to goof at 8 o'clock in the morning, and I'd have to be in the sun, I'd, I'd,

so I'd, so yeah, I'd, so... So, 38, 3rd, 2,000, 20, 3,000, 3, and, 14, 10,000, 10,000, a lot, after, after that, after that, after that, after, after, you're after, after, you've been to play. But the golf

is a sport that I adore because it's you, it's, you know, it's you're completely the contrary to the hockey. But it's that, yeah, it's you're against yourself, it's, uh, the confidence in-so, it's the control of the soul, you're always in trying to think in your head at your

next coup, at the cost you've been to make, you, you're always in trying to talk, and you're also the etiquette of the golf. There's like a way to play golf, you know, you know, you're having, you respect, you cry not on the terrain, so it's me have also

a certain discipline. So the hockey for the dimension and the golf for the dimension when you can realize

something in life it's a time, your attitude, your way, your way, so it's two sports that

are great my name to do that is a is a is a yes, I'm I'm a

time, I'm that's not, but it's clear that in my 20th, 30n, 40s,

quarantine, in my life personal, than my professional, that a Papa, that's

for me, that's always always be perfect, we're going to be good, we're going, there's, there I'm,

I'm, I'm think that you're having a president, Dejordine, I'm afraid that that's a way that you

can, to do you do you're, you're doing with these human, they're not perfectionists,

to come by me, and I've to make a little bit of pressure by that. But it's

sure that I'm, I'm, I'm still really, really, the toe the top.

Is it so is it so is it is a absolutely, it's for that I'm that you're

that's it's a time of a time of a time of I'm doing that in a time the

way that's the way I'm the way that I'm the marriage to the the way the way

that I'm the the way that my my my own that I want to

that I'm oh my God and look it it's really it's really it's very it's

it's impus it's impus it's with the time that's the time that's for the people who

also. We're my own my own they're not they're not they're not they're not

because it's it's not to be the pressure to the other and it's exactly. And in

the same when we when we're perfectionist like that sometimes it's the regard,

we don't important to look of the other by there's there's

there's there's there the but I'm but I know but I'm there

after the fact that that the behind the world to be performing But, there were the

Voluntity to Gagne, there had a grand need to be to be appreciated, that the other we regard in saying, wow,

there's a lot of that in front, so, in bringing to the experience, and in realizing that in the fact,

it's not everyone who will be you don't know to be you're doing to make a perfectionist,

it's not the recipe for that, but with, with the time, with the recule, with the reflection, well,

often it's, effectively that this need to be perfection that, or to be

performed, he comes to respond a business to be appreciated, to be recognized, we're in we're in

not more unlawed because we're not perfect. No, exactly, exactly. Often the

often the people have the most have the people who the people have been more

more, it's when they've seen a gu who is in position of febless,

a guy a guy who is a guy who is I'm really really 10 years

years years of the effect of, okay, he's not jeaned to be not sure

to be sure to do you know, it's difficult that you're to do the misair, the people

that are in they're saying, they're just, more more to help to help

their contribution, yeah, because the people, you know, when we

know, when we talk to people who really really had to have that,

the question, the same in their universe of perfection, because it's their

perfection to face to them Exactly. And in the phone, you know, I'm doing it's the

part of the parkour is the defy that there's there's been to get to get to get to pass out of the defy that

you get to and then you realize that's the that's over the perfection that, it'll ever

not, and you see that, then you're that's a little bit less you know,

when I'm when I'm when I'm when I'm you're trying to be able to you're still back your

career or your life in having this quate to perform to perfection, to be always 10-sur-dice,

well, it's the tool that's the tool in your coffee to do you know, you know, you know, you mark the points

with that, to get the when you shoot like that, you launch like that, you know, you know, you know,

that you're using so often, but when you get to the opportunity that I've had been to present in

the Jardin, you realize that I can be not exigeed to more, of 55,000 people,

the 4,000 gestionaire, this same level of perfection, One, it's episant. The company will be in burnout, the time to do it. And two, it's a marathon,

it's not a sprint that I do, it's a marathon. And at a moment of an year, you realize, okay, well, there are some moments in my marathon where I'm really performing when I'm going, and these moments where I'm going to be maybe more fast or it's a little bit more long, but it's a 42-kilometer that I do.

So I'd say that's an experience perhaps the last year's. But it's an great lesson in the moment that's what you're doing for the rest of your life. Absolutely. And then, today, it's sure that I guard again this voluntet that to be in fact

the things, but in a dimension where, especially with the young children, you let's more of place, and you say, well, I'm going to be more in mode,

I'm going, I'm going, I'm going to be able to get some sort of Desjordine, in a state of a state of what I can redone, redone, in making two persons

in contact, and it will be helping, in coaching someone, in being on on getting on of the council of administration, in doing a bit of media,

you know, redone my know, redone my experience. I'm a lot of so I'm more in a quest of perfection, of reconnaissance,

of appreciation, because I look at my course until now, and I'm saying, I'm going to be sure of I'm afraid of

more, so I'm doing a question. A matter of a mentorah also. Yeah, I'm very much in this state that actually.

What's what I'm doing, I mean, I've said, I did, I, I've done to give, I, I've wanted

to give, one of the things that I had suestimed when I was the president of the Jordan,

is that I have 45, 46 years in the moment there. And the fact of not only the more

young president of business in Quebec, in Canada, it has marked a lot of people, and I

realize, with the time, there's a lot of people, that's me, I'm in

my story to me, it's an story, I'm a story, I'm I'm a parent, I'm in

the school, I'm in my diploma, I'm going to work as my case , I'm working like

all the president. For me, it was not an history that, wow, you know, it's like all the world does, like, all the world, generally. But I understand that the boot of devene president, it's not all the world. And with the time, I realized that it could be a story that

a little bit more inspiring, a little, who comes at the base, and there's not, you know, that, you know, that, of all, so, so, so, so, today, to redone, to inspire, and to accompany, well, it, it's a super pleasure. Yeah, you know, so far as well, I think,

I mean, you know, I'm sure. Well, I think it's just that that's that we need, actually. in a world where the young, each generation has had these difficulties. You're going to be able to be in the years of 80, and the total of interest at 22%

they're going to say it's not easy. You'll talk to the young who are coming on the market of the trade financial of 2008, it was not always easy. So, each generation has these defies,

but actually, I regard the addition of the defies of our youngess, it's sure that I think is that you have done

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that I'm in control complete of the situation. When I'm not capable to pre-voire adequately, when I'm not capable of anticipate what he will be going to be able, When I'm not capable to be able to

know that I'm, okay, I have the next time I'm in, you know, I'm, you know,

I've got to in an institution financial, it's a encodered, it's a pretty and it's a

certain, say, traditional, so, I've had a life, I've been out of the

school, found a family, married, and married, so, so, so, so,

so, that, that I'm, that, When I, when I'm out of my zone where it's new for me, where I'm rapidly my repair,

I'm more vulnerable. My stress augment, my nervosity augment, my impatience augment, because I feel that maybe I'd not as perfectionist

that I'd or I'm a bit more in-door-de so with the time you find you find that you're more in control, that I'm more in control,

that I'm more vulnerable, I'm feeling like. And what's that's, at any moment in your you've seen that, that you've not the control? We're in

2009, I'm in 2009, I'm director general at the Case Popular at Utremont. I adore this job, that. I adore this job that. We have a good project to fusion with

a case voise, it's me that's aligning for being the director general, 2010 and after. I've adored this job that because

I was on the terrain, I was with the members, I was with the community, I realized a project. And there I receive an

appeal, like, we offer the possibility to go to go to get people at the federation.

Monique Leroux just the lead to be the good to get a good to get to get to be to meet with

to get to get to be to get to to see what I'm to do you have to do with what I'm doing, and

for you know, they have a job to me offer me, and then he offered a job of vice president of

finance for all the for all the business in the case in Quebec. I'm not I'm not

I'm not my back is in finance, but I'm someone I'm in front of you that, that's a

that's a yes, I'm always a opportunity. I'm, I'm, I'm can't say to the opportunity.

So, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm doing, I'm after the job. But I'm my investigation on this job,

that, to realize that on the 100 employees that I'm about 80, there are about 90, that

there are in Levy, at Quebec. So, it will be that I'm going to be able to I pass two, three days

a week. And then secondly, it's a sector of activity where these people are specialists in

finance, specialists in accountability. I'm a guy of terrain necessarily. And the third thing,

is that I was that I'm separated in 2002. So I at that the guard partaged of the

parents and and all right to say, the children are young. So, there, there,

there, it felt like that I'd to have to have been to work two, three days per week in in a week, in a environment where the people are looking at saying,

you know what's the nomination? This guy that came to the Riosau of the Kays, he doesn't even not the federation, he doesn't even not our environment. It's six to nine

months of my career, of my life, have been the worst of my life. There, I was vulnerable like that's not. I had

had lost my network of contact, I had lost my repair, I saw much more my a repose,

much more my family. I have a syndrome of an imposter enormous, not only by a job

that I'm going to be able to do you do you're in trying to become a imposter, because I'm

not there for my children, I'm I'm at separate before, and there there's a

man, he's, they, am I, merit you this job there, he's really

competent, or it's a little nomination political like it like, like it's

not a Like if I was not at the height of the And then I've Perth and I'm going to I'm doing

to get up to see I'm doing this I'm doing I'm doing that I'm in collaboration with people who are in saying, well, yeah, that's

that's a thing that's a big zone of vulnerability because I'm getting much more in control, I'm much

in motties to what it would be able to be able to and it's nice of you but you know physically

physically I'm working in a environment that was where I was before the people I know it

I'd know it more and I felt like the people they're like if he's enfranchised and they're

it's not too great in the phone I mean we're not so you're not so you're not so you're

talking to some people that you're to give confidence you're a little success you're a

second success and I'm I'm it's six to nine months in 2010

2011 to be to be vice president finance have been been more difficult

and I was too vulnerable that when I'm becoming president I'm convinced that my first of my first of my

last, in the fact by the fact I said that I'd arrive in an environment where I was a job that was

a new job that was new for me but I had developed some of the reflex before I've realized

that to be vulnerable to be in risk with the time I'm when I'm when I'm

when you're when you're being in in this moment that? I was in my job of the job of

but in your job of the six and nine months, at your at your place, it was never

like in a bad place at the best right, and I'm exactly, and I'm when I'm

when I'm back the time, and I'm the day, with Julie, my repose,

and then we have done to jose. And then, then I had played a role extraordinary,

because she me say, I'm doing that I'm not, why you're having this job that,

why you've wanted to have been, she, she, she, she, she she made jazes on why I used to do this job

because I said, look, rent you to end up in the month, rent you to find out of my and I'm going to listen to, but she moment that when I was with my epaue just for

exchange there this was the moment where she, she, she, she, she, she knew, she had me said, and there, it was a moment

where I was being, but when I was when I called my friends of Quebec, a mercred night,

on seven hour for their to say, bye, bye, and then it will be there, we'll be

going to be something that I'd be I'd have the Larmes to The number of times that I was on the

time I'm on a Monday Matin'clock a Mordy to Quebec in saying I'm not a good father

I'm not a good friend I'm not a good repud you're like you're like you're like

you're in there to be in sure you're at a good place in the phone I'm in not at

not exactly no absolutely no no matter McClue I'm at I'm in equilibrium

at all at all if you did you if you're not It's, it's, it had not done this changement of

post that. You have not accepted that? Is it you're going to be president of the movement of the

end of the end of the moment that? At the moment when I did this job that I'm not an

ambition to become president of the Jordan, I'm 309 but you arrive at the federation

but I arrive at the federation I'm in the radio of the cash, I'm

I'm in the and there I'm in this new environment and then it

better than I'm don't even two months After, I'm more more more than to think,

they're going to make out, in the phone, I'm really really very much, I'm very not good, I've seen too

that I'm that's not that they're well, they're going to be going to be out of three, four,

and it's a that's a thing, you know, I'm not, you know, but in the fact,

that's not, but in the point, the time, if it's three years, then you're, it's trying to

join the team of the team of the team of who are people who are going to do with a grand group.

I probably that there someone that's not that's not I'm not at the height, I'm not

not quite professionally than in my life personal or like my life or like that. At the

moment that I'm not trying to to say, oh, I've been a great experience

that will me help me to save my power. But with the recule,

this period that my God has made seven to to eight new new tools

in my coffee who are that when I'm becoming president and when I when I've envisaged

to be president of the movement I know I've seen I'm in my coffee, I know that probably that

I'm going to be really out of my zone of my comfort the first more probably that it will

have been more of intensity and of stress. Probably that I'm going to voyage much more

so you know, you know, you know you'd in what you were in comparatively,

so you have too- exactly, exactly, And then you've understood in fact,

it was what your equilibrium? What's the composed of your equilibrium? Exactly. And the stress, in fact,

the level of responsibility, it's perhaps not that's your family, absolutely, absolutely, but in fact,

you know, example, when I'm thinking, or envisaged, to aspire to the presidency

of the movement of the Jardin, it's something that you start, like, like, like, in my

case, in my case, you know, in the last, you know, you see that the

that's it, Madame LeRoo, Monique, and that in March of 2016, she quitted, so, you know, you're coming to you're able to anticipate what's going to be able to be,

and in my case, well, considering the employer of this job that, I've pretty time to me to work really with

my parents, with my spouse, and to say, look, if I'm embarked there, the party

will change like this, it's an engagement that will have an impact important on the family.

My But my children, at this moment, there had the cat, between, let's let's turn, let's let's turn, let's get on the same and ten years.

They're not, they were in their own, and it was like, basically, it's like, we're going to, we know, we're going to

get a lot of our life, you know, so that's, it's been a lot of pressure on my shoulders. Julie, she

had, that I had to have the ambition, I had the good, I'm, I'm in this enterprise,

I had an idea, that it had been that had been after I had been more of an

tool in your office. Today, well, yeah. But it's interesting

to revisit this period of the way that you have done because you know very well to your really about your

sense. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And in these moments of vulnerability that, when

I don't the conference or when I talk to the leaders in the other people, you know,

you're doing you do and live some time and while you're during you not,

you measure not all what it will be you trying to save your

just simply, you know, but I'll promise, in three years, you'll

have been in my own time, it's been in the period of my life, because I'm that's the

reality for all the world, but this vulnerability there, and when I started,

you know, to me to me, I'm over this six to nine month that, but,

uh, well, uh, uh, uh, there's, there, there's,

you know, you're, you know, you're talking, uh, it's really tough, in and then you're

there's a guy who comes to give to do a good to do like you're to help you know, you develop also

these amities who you know really who are really who are really people who are in these people who I've got to

contact because they've been there in this period that of marriage exactly. Exactly, exactly. Nive joan Guille

you will be you've done with the verps, but this this time you will me and I

don't know you can't you want to you've been and I'm choice one and I'm we're we're going to

take it we're This one and this is the question. What's what you're what do you want to be the the most grand

defy that you have been a re-reveve? What type of amourer is you and what trait of character have you

herited of your parents? What is my children my parents? My my parents and I'm

and I'm in a surety, all simply of the feart and of the love.

I mean I, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm two children, Audreyanne Mark Alexander. I'm separated,

divorced in 2002. I met Julie, who had two children, Emerson and Melissa,

and the children at the time there were between five and 10 years. So we've had the

privilege to reforming a new family reconstitue. We've had a time before that adolescence

or the beginning. Today, I'm I'm a fair to this family,

that. Chacon has a personality, each has his projects, that's

everyone has his conjoin, married, I'm in I'm in a couple of kids, so it's

a good moment in our view, we're very very much because that's the their way,

they enter in the life with their inquietude, their anxiety, but they they bring

these risks, they develop their proper life, their their proper project, you know,

they're in the first, so in the fun, to go, they're fun, to go,

they're proper zeal, realize their ambition, to start to think where he will be at 40 years,

what's they'd like to realize, what's the project, and to be able to be able to

be able to them, not they're to say what to do you have you have you to see,

that it's a level of discussion and there they're three on four on

three on when you're when your parents, it's a other level of discussion my

son, my son, my face, my face, my face, it's like, wow, I,

I'm wow, I'm a papa and mom. So I'm really very proud of others. I'm so, I'm doing

enormously of energy. But your children, your youth in your life, is it a way, is it an sweet, is it

to have been about for you to want, it's a wish, a, a,

a, a point, my first repose was, we had the good

to have to have the same and then, and I had a hard to fund a family.

I'm someone, I'm saying, my parents they've to work to work

to be but also to be autonomous. My parents were these are the people autonomous who are always who are counted just on my mom

and my dad they're not people who that's a lot of that they're having to so I'm so I'm

so that's very, very, very important. Not just autonomous financially but be autonomous. It's

going to do at 12 years I'd have already I'd pass some of years, I had two jobs

for me for me it's important to be autonomous so in this quack of autonomy there, find a

family, to have some of the family, demarry in the life, it's important, and I'm

the world, I'm in the family, I'm in having a grandpair at 507 years,

I think, I'm not, the life has made that it like that it's like that

but I'm really, I'm really content. And when you have, you know, you've

turned your father, when you're Mark Alexander? When you're, when you did you see,

what's to change in you. I imagine, there's a avant, an after that

in the life. But it's sure, you're to run at the hospital, and,

you know, my repos is the baby on her, you're to get to

the hospital and then Mark Alexander is there, but it's sure that you

take to put to me, it was like a other level of

autonomy. It was like an other level of impact in my

life. There, I'm I'm just not someone who won't

on but But I have a responsibility to aid this infant, to become an adult, a person who will plenemnour, and it's really,

when your children, I, that's a period that I, that I, that I, I, I, I think, probably even

even, even, even, a bit difficult today, when the children arrive at 25, 28, 29,

because to, just at 20, 25, they are your children, and, you know, he, they're,

they're, they're, they're, they're often they're, they're so, you propose. Now, I'll

I'll come in on the perfection and again when he arrives at 25, 28, 30, 33 5 they're

their conjointe, they're their repu, they're in my wife, at the end of the day,

my parents, he, he's not me listen to me the person who the night before you're to get to

the same, it's the time. So, we're going there's there, but I'm going

in ryeing, but, you know, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, sure that we're in a step of

where we want just the aid to let them bring to them to work to be able to answer to answer to answer

to start with Mark Alexander to have to see that this person that I have a responsibility but I have a

privilege to be a to be a to be a to realize these projects in his project in his

life when you're like they're on 25 30 35 and you they see realize their

project with their espos, they have their own their ambition, who have their ambition, who have their realisation,

who has I said, I've had so much, I'm sure, that's the role the role of parents? Oh, yeah,

yeah, absolutely. I mean, I adore to be papa, I adore to be in the family, I adore, I'm,

and I'm and I'm content, because I'm more of time in being not president, to repassed with the family,

with Julie, with the children, and it's not the long to do you know, we're going to

oh, well, we're just to get a hour, but it's just just to get a just to get to get to

get to get to the proximity. Yeah, and you're like plenty of, your head is not that's the gross difference, that's

that's sure. I'd say, you know, you'd say, you would be past, we'd repose,

the on you he'd say, you'd say, Pa, he'd be, yeah, he'd

he'd be, in the phone, we know he was he was not, you know, I see, you know, I'm I'm going to know,

when I'm going to when I'm at a house, I'm at a lot of course, and I'm going to be able to say that, but I'm not being the model

that, when I when I'm in the day of the day, when you're when you're doing in fact, it's always, it's not

it's quite to be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you're always you're always a

little alert, that it's that's the mediatically, that that's the community or just the situation economic and financial that the people have

they have been they're a need to be sure you're always something that's a little bit, and the people, you know, and the people, they've got to be

many people, they've got to the luneat the case, the case of the house, the case of the localman, but

they're not the point of their 50,000 people, you know, what that, 55,000 employees, you know, we have not

many different there's there's, there's activities in insurance, in activity banker, in activity bankers,

in gestation of patrimonde, everywhere the Canada, okay, the people, their model to them,

the case where it's the , you know, or the application mobile, so it's that it's like, it's a

complex, there's a lot of so. So, your textos were, your message, their appell.

So, you're all the time, so, so, so, so, so, so,

when you're , to get, just for the health, just for the level of stress, just,

just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

well, I had not danger. Even in my worst moments to be in my period in my period more stress-a you're at three

hour and a three hour and then the house, it's so. So, that's not, exactly. So,

there, there, there, there, there, there, there, you're not, you're not,

you're going to you're doing, so that's, so I'm, so, I'm, it's, you're, it's, because there's,

you know, they're telling there's the thing, you know, that's going to be replaced rapidly, but there,

I mean, I, I'm, I'm reconnected to who I'm to re-lancet. I think that mature and reasonable. Oh, no, but you see, I've had the privilege to know at which date

I'd quit. I'd have quitted at the end of 24. It's two mandate of four-year. So, as the pandemic

has started to to be to get to 2022, I've got to to get to people, just for

their talk about to transition, talk me, to Diffy. Isabelle, there had been there's been

changes of career, Louis O'Day, who had had been in many of people, let's know how how they've lived in how they've lived in

but not only through the professional, but even through the personal, you know, and I could write a book

I'm doing some on this, you know, how to prepare, how to think how to make to make sure, I'm afraid of because I thought

there would be some professional professional, professional, well, we've we've made the government

who I'm still a little bit long time, just in September, 2012, but you're

you're in someone, it's maybe the perfection again, it's a but he's

pretty the time to prepare what he's in the only personelel and professionally and you know that I'm

there's a lot of a packet of a company the day it's the day he's

he to come in depression or it not because they don't have been because they're

not I'm not I'm I'm content pretty 10 years to presid

the organization I think that it's quite sufficient. So when it's your own business familial,

I can understand that's long time. But there's the mandate. Look, I've done 10 years

to get to get to people, and there's there's there with new ideas of the

19, an energy new energy new. But you have been, you've

had, you've been this so that to think to think

to the transition and that in any whatever any whatever

phase of life when you change of direction, it's important to have this time

that's important to have come back back on something, it's that you'd have even not been able to make the balance, we'd rather than a recule

face to all to do you know, you're talking about in the reflections that I had, and the people I'd like, you know,

at the end of the way, there's just you plan if I'm that's the state, and a minute I'm trying to a state of

mind you're not the suit that's important. It's the voyage for me to me round to the suit.

It's going to be fun. Today, when you when you're talking to be my project actually,

it's just to have to have to have to do fun, to what I'm to do you do with the end up

there's, there's there's there's there's a lot of there's, there's,

you know, is it, is you're that really that I'm going to 20 to 30 next year

there's a other things, but there, actually, it's a stimulates, it it's it's a

something, and I'll look at the opportunity after. But that, it's a lot of lecture, a lot of books, many of the

people to be in an state of a degree, it's a privilege that you have at 506 years, to say, I'm going to

say, I'm going to do to do it for the 30 next years. I know that's not all the world, I'm in a super of

family. So, if you're an intermed, maybe it's maybe it's just to the end of my job?

Maybe it's not, but it's not important. Important, it's just that While I'm in this moment I have I do pleasure

and I goate at 100% It's like that you say It's really It's like It's like a When you're

When you're When you're When I'm present The quality of life, to think to It's a bit all that

You're in absolutely Absolutely Absolutely It's really Who In the In fact

Today Today, I'm I'm I'm I'm a Model Ase standard

I'm I'm I'm A college You're A job moment in the company, and finish. That's it.

That's it. You could have to be a retrait. Yeah, I'd probably to play. But today I'm more like a guy of 18, 19 who's saying,

wow, I'm in with more of maturity, plus of baggage, more of experience, more of stress financially, more of stress globally.

What's the gut to do to do you do to do do that? It's vertigeneue at some it's a magnificent. It's so,

it's vertigineous because it can to do you have to be a bit of time, it's a mega privilege because you say, far, of all the tools that I have, you're more serene, in the phone, okay, what's the good to do do to do in the 20 or 30 years? And it's sure that

in my head, the word key, it's redone. I'm in a state of the society, redone to people. It's for that I do some of it. I've got some of a couple of people in a fair. But it's what it's. but I had I was just assumed I'm like a

little entrepreneur a who is what the model of affairs I'm doing what do you do you know of and I'm doing I think you're doing to get into

presently because it's beautiful what you talk to have to have to give this opportunity that because it's your choice because you

could already do you could be engaged to do and do other and it's your choice to you but the way the way

that I've met with all the people that I've it's been all the time to say, Guy, the first year, the problem and the problem

and the time, say no, more more more often than you say because I'm sure you're because I'm

the quantity the quantity, I know, I'm, I said, I've had a president,

it's, it's, it's, but, Guy, you can't be you to be

in contact with to a guy, to be able to to be the end of the

whole of all the positions that I had, and I had the privilege

in my job before, uh, to have some Isabelle Garon,

that I'm that I'm going to work with Isabelle, and I'm going to see, oh, I'm going to look to say,

and it's always Isabelle, and it's always that's always, he's not, he can't, he can't, he can't,

he can't, and also, say, no, to say, no, I'm, like that, I'm not, I'm not,

not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm really difficult, because I'm because I'm who's a guy who am the project, it's all the time

to do you, it's all the time, there would you know how to that's going to be to do help? But what I'm the first

I'm doing really, it's in a grand part of my life, I've been I've got to

have been I'm not going my job, my my family, my own the life has made

that I'm there's a first time in my life that in all the offers that I'm often I'm

going to start by I'm going to try to try to try to get to it's a

but it's it's not me before. really not. I'm always in all the projects like that. But just to choose, you, Guy, and you're just... That's all right to rest. I hope you. I guess that.

One way, once we know that, for coming in and then I question that I've chosen, Guy, what type of amoeoe is you? Our Fantasy Commission says for him it's all about the friendships. Cute, Kevin. But I disagree. Like with about 365,

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so I'm today, I'm looking with Julie, the level of proximity that we have developed, the level

of the level of attention, of love, it's more, it's more, it's more, it's not really, because it's,

you know, I'm sorry, Mary Glott, at the end of the end, of the end, when I go be tended

on my there, there, there person of Desjardin who will be there, there, there person, the society

civil, he will have who, I'll have my my wife, my wife, my wife, so I've got to

the point of the time of the time in the last year, in the in the time, in the whole it's the end of the

end of the end of the end, even my have my life, so at the final,

he's going, so that's it. And that's it. And what, that's the genre, is that you, like,

to do you, like, to make, to make, yeah, very, so, Very,

very, so I'm very, I'm a who's a person who when I'm going to

go to be in my bureau, I'm in a point of the paper and I write a word, I've created a text,

and the page is plain, then the page is in the point, and I'm I'm going, I was probably

when I had to when I'm and then, and I was she said and she said,

that I'd like to say, and I'll say, envier the the distance when I was in the tour and I used to gole in a place, call it every year,

one or two times, to bring some new those, so, I'm very much, that I'm very, that's, for me, that's, it's hyper important

because it's, it's a point, that you have, in the spirit, that's important in your life, and you're not obliged to do you,

like, sometimes I'm to talk to people, and, you know, we're not like, and then, when you're 50 years,

we're doing, or when at 10 years, we're doing like that's a lot, you know, we're not like that,

we're more, we're going to do that to do something, we do, but the little attention on the

that's, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I don't, I mean,

to get, in any point, in the phone, a mordy, because we're going, on an out of the

, I'm going to get to the house, it's a way, it's a bit bit of the

stuff, so, so, year, you're in the year? In 2002, so it's 24 years. Married in 2014.

We're super... We're super... We're super... We're super. We're Nive-Rose, Guy. You will me

and give me on one of the and you will be able to I don't choose no, I'm choosing. I'm trying to

I'm in three. Yeah, exactly. And so, that's the color that's supposedly I'm not in my zone of

comfort. We're going to but at that I think that's very well, it's you see?

Well, I'm still is that Well, what was your paycheck? What aspect of your life have you neglected?

And what are the difficulties of a family recomposed? Oh my God, it's all de

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someone who has a a belle family, an repose extraordinary, but who there's not

an friend, who has not an man, because the life has made that because of

the job, at cause of my ambition, at cause of the work, the children,

my separation, to be president, pass 10 to just to work, the price to pay

especially the 10 the years it's, you can have to of time for your time for your friends.

Because in a week, in a day, well, you're working, you're trying, you're doing, you're doing,

you're doing, you're in a house, there's a little time, the children, the family, Julie,

but, but you're not, you're not, the time for the time, to have the time to go to be

to super to get, to be going to say, well, okay, we're going

to do with my I see, I see, I see, I don't know all the time. So, you're the friends of

secondaire, five, the people are in secondary, it's not something that's not something, is it

not necessarily, in the sense where my life has been done the time, but I'm not fool,

I know, I'm sure, that's important, in the next years, so, so,

so, so, it's, it's, so, it's, so, how, how I'm, how I'm, how I

retraped the people that I've more seen in the years, and the amy they've

they've got they've got to have been to get in my time and they're going to send out of

times in time but there's many of them you know he's been new sub and he's been a

president of and he communicate with us we're not because I want to because I

didn't know because I'm just because I know of time, in that's probably the aspect of my life I'm the

I'm the most neglected in the phone it's, you know, it's to have to have to have some

there's to have some of And those who are Who, what's They're What's the Of those Those are?

Those who They're They're They're They're They're Every every Every Wednesday

So every After the Since I've Before I'm Before it Before Every Every

Wednesday When I When I At the Woffey And And I'm My

And I'm And he He was You know W'clock The Vend Wander And

And He's There's There's There There's There people with

who I've had you've been and what's to be brought to me to get to get to me change

the idea, to me to make realize that you have to do other things that you just gere

the movement of the world and that's and the people, they'd not,

but, just to be with you, to be just, to be to be their reality,

their defies, well, okay, the life doesn't just after the jardin

like that, it's, it's it's been it's very very. But,

you know, we're going to I'm quite going to be in our chalettes are not long,

and we're not we've got to and you've seen the of our absolutely. It's a mangane and it's a

big chance. No. Disman. Disman. Disman. Disman. And there was

there was there. We didn't know be capable to make to do that our vows. And you're

saying, but I'm to come to do make to do you. M. And then

I'm but at what you know, I'm going to to say that to say, you know, I'm not

going to be with my pocket with my pouched in your house, but Mario and I'm

there, but they're bad, well, you know, you know, there's someone, I think,

you're quite familiar with you know, there's a name's age, me trombe you? No,

but I'm, I'm the people, I'm the people, I'm, the plan, the

but I'm, but I'm a guy like that, you know, I'm, I'm My mother

was a cuttural there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a lot of I'm in a

lot of I'm in times in the house of the yarding to the country to meet with

the world to talk to make the world normal. So I so that I'm my energy

I'm like my energy I'm to try the other the other at around the people at around

the time to the people and to be around me I'm happy. That, it's I'm interested in the project. Your friends are there for your life. You're

all the time in their life. You're all right you're not quite, you know, but you're not too much. But those who are there. Absolutely. I'm going to always there for them to help. That's sure, it's sure, to give a coup of mind, to open an door, to be present, to them, you know, one of the first things that I've got, when I

I've quited Desjardin, it's a while I'd just to buy a little pickup. It's not complicated. A pickup usager, and I adore with that, aid the world. It's not complicated. who's aides, transports

to transports to do this. Transporte to do things to do you and say this I'm sure, it's like that

there's a president of the way they're just promen to and pay up to help to help and it's a

way, I'm that's a pleasure. I'm so, I'm like that and I'm saying, and I'm saying the life it's very

very much for the world actually, the people are still people are still to do that

there's a there's a anxiety and and the people don't want that, you know,

to make the tour of Quebec as president of Desjardine, to trymast at Cabano, to Maria, at Settil,

at Ruinneuranda, you know how versus sometimes live at Montreal all the time, there's a proximity, a camaraderie,

a level community, which is different. I don't know that one that's a much that's different. And I

have seen many of great things in a pack of region of Quebec. And at every time I'm

say, well, it's that also of Quebec, and it's that our society. It's not

just the institutions, the grand companies, and the P.M. It's the world who aid to do world.

It's the same way. I think I think I've granded there and I have been, I've got to

be there and incarnate that as person, you know. But for your friends, you've got

kind of a lot of relance to relance some yes, yeah, this year, I'm sure,

this year, I've played not played for the time. I had to have been the time to goll and I

have not used to get to get to be in I'm glad to watch the world. No, he reproach anything,

it would be in my head and again, this affair that. Many people they're doing you know,

they're all you know, you see, you know, it's been in the media, and in a journal, and you did that, you know, but

I'm not content. Ah, yeah, exactly. But in time, you, it's demonted the importance of the

amity also. Yeah, the amitier, the love, the don to donate, that for me it's hyper important

But you're very common I'm very I've grown in a group cooperative I'm glad I'm saying

I think I'm the guy comere of today he's fashioned by his parents his parents his education his own

but he is fastened by the company in which is the movement of the jardin

the values of solidarity of entraides uh yeah of performance but before the

performance there also I mean when I when I'm when I'm my MBA in 2000

of, to go to go to work and I'm saying, Guy, he's the age of the

work, he's going to work in a very bank, go to go to work to do you're to find a

money and that, but I wanted to because I am this enterprise that. My first job was at

St. Luke at St. St. St. St. I've given the 250 pias to some people that have made

a difference for us I've added to the real world in our don't, on our command on our

on our on our country, I've seen, have a job for Desjardin it, they've been, it's a

fact, it has fashioned these values, this enterprise that, how, this dimension, you know,

democratic, the person, the importance of the people at the importance of people at Desjardin, it's,

it had certainly a base, but it's just, it's just multiplied, Is it's not that I'm trying to say to you've gained the You've gained the money at the height of the function that you've exercised? Is that you think that it has eluanyed to the world?

Is it has an impact on the environment of the people proches? Well, it's no, I think not You know, I'll be to make a rire when I'm becoming president During a couple of months I'm saying well I said well I'd say to Julie Maybe it's maybe it's been in a carriol or we're more close to the rest of the community of affairs, we're more progest

we're going to develop a new thing, we're going to more more more than I'm doing this is a thing you're in

doing it's a idea, we know, we know this town's a car and we're our own, we're going to be in the same, we're

going to be in a house of the way, we're going to get to a new cartier and I'm going to do you rest to what I'm okay, perfect, you're right, but it's

not so that that's not that the my Suss Sondon me or not,

and the people are in our entire, I'm a very terrible there's a little bit more complicated,

so I'm not born with the gold to be able to I'm not I'm not there, my mother

was a house, my father was electrician, so there's not a there's not

there necessarily but it's clear that there's a moment of there, you have the activity that

you have the good to do you do you do you do through because you

have the money financial and you you're a a little conscious, you know, you know, that's a couple of

he's not capable of with his budget, to say, I can pay that. So, look, we're okay, we're just, and we're doing this activity like that.

If we're doing if we're really with us over, then that's it. So, that's not been a mega- -in-geus, it has not a

big impact. It's just to be a little more sensible to the reality to all the world, if you want, if you want,

if you've really to get this amit yeah, because I think that Julie and you you have something in common

like you're at the proximity with the others. Julie, it's a person who has a grand

car. He's a consular municipal in plus. When I was when I had terminated Desjardin

at the year 2025, she was already engaged in the community where we're doing, and she had had an

opportunity to say, hey, we'd like that that you'd be present as a councilor

municipal and all. And we we're we're saying because there, I'm, I'd

I'd have to She had Desjardine, so we're going to have more of time to do. But I saw she had the glee, she had, she said, she said, she said, she said, she had she engaged, she, she had been, she said, and, and, in the phone, she's enaced. And I'm still fond of her, because she's

she's very good, she's all right, she's all right, and all the people who, you know, she's not, if Guicormier will have to do the politics one, I can just say to the people, I've putt, I've posed the bankers on on the potos, I've done do port-a-port,

I've done do pointage, I've done there's a bad at the house that's with Julie, and do you

do you know, because we're doing it's because we're in we're in front. We're at seven hour and and she'll

have to watch every part and I'm in and I'm at the time and I'm and I'm and then she's

it's been it's been it's been it's been a good project and I'm so I'm

content, one, I'm sure to have been there I mean, it's a few, it's a year now, she's a lot, she's

impleck, she has a lot of the responsibility, she has to the influence, at the aid of the real world where we're to make the problems

of the everyday, you know. You're being very, I'm sure. Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure of her,

and I'm sure to have to have to be fun and to help and help so, yeah, so, yeah, that's a

person, who am the community, who am able to help get to be on the Vaux and Ross,

you will me on don't know three. You'll say one only only at this

level that. I don't three. Yeah. One, two, three. Wow.

How do you have you have you have done? Okay. Is that sexuality is a subject

taboo in your family? In which your sexuality has been to have

evolved to the time? How I saw see how I

I've encountered Julie. It's a lot of a story, droll. I'm I'm separated.

And at this moment that I'm director general in a region of Montreal, in the

west of the island and it's the party of an employee. And the employee in

question, they're a party in a restaurant, in the corner, and the

people me say, I'm, there's people, I'm saying, Guy, you can't

do you come this this I'm in my separation. I just I just have been to put in

I'm not really in a mod I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to but I'm doing but all right but I'm in six

ah yeah come on and come on and I'm and I'll go yeah I'll just pass

to bring a beer salue bonn fight and so so that's it but that's it but that but that

but she she'll arrive in this end she in the and in the she's she she's

she's she's beautiful She's resplandicante. She, she, she, she, she's like, oh, my God, she's the league national, and I'm the junior major, you know, it's even

not in my league. You're all the hockey in your own. I'm always, all the hockey, I'm like, so it's like, it's even not inattainable

for me. So, like, I'm there, I'm finished my beer, and all, and in the phone, she, she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's present, and she, she, she, it's,

it, I return to the bureau the week. And then, the employee is, you'd have to be, you'd have to be, like, to call, let's say, you know, let's, and I'm, I'm not in mode

that I'm not, I'm not sure, I'm going to be my own up with my separation to help me. To you, you're trying to get your equilibrium, and I'm not,

and I'm not, and finally, well, I, okay, well, I'm, okay, I'm gonna, give me, okay, I'm, and I'm gonna,

she'll, she'll, I'm gonna, she'll be, my, my, my, my, my, my, not, there's not

an interest, you know, but finally, she'll happen after she was a way, she could not have two- children. She's not, she's

not so. No, but it's so. No, but it's not. I don't, she's a... She's not the first time.

So, in the phone, she said, well, it's... You know, I'm not, you know, she's not here, but she's just

she had not a guardian for her for his time, she she's not, but she's she'll be the phone,

obviously, she. So, so, like, so, that, it's because she had not a guardian

and it's, and so, and then, the same the time, the time, it's like, and then it's

finally, I'm a another name, Marie Clau. A new new new, but now, she had a good reason,

it was an old thing, she had to get that, okay, perfect. But now, you know,

I'm sure, I'm sure, but we're a little, but, you know, it's like, it's like, it's like,

it's like, it's like, the time, then, you know, you're going, you're not, but,

it's like, okay, you can't, you can't can't, but now, I'm sorry, I'm just, I'm shined, she's, a guy jeanneed before you, you know, there's not, there's a guy jeanneered, though, there's not, so, she, she, she's not, she'll, okay, well, it's correct,

we'll arrest, then, and it's, and then, and then, it's, and, yeah, it's, and, yeah, I'm, I'm afraid, yeah, I'm not, I'm in, a word, oh, I, think, , you, learn, like,

, I, see, I, see, I, yeah, I'm, but, yeah, I, yeah, I, yeah, I, I reprimed my courage. Third-time. The third time. I said,

I said, I said, I said, Gilly, it could be to be to go to and get to

and then you and then the phone, she said she will be she and then she said, yeah,

I'm going to tell you really, she'll be and then, I'm going to my bureau at six

hour, six hour and I'm away and I'm and there, he came to to be over. The boulevard

where I have been to have there's been there's probably a bit fibrill, probably content to have to

have that by inadvertance I don't realize not that the light on on the bevard

has changed and I'm too very quick and I'm literally in the auto in the auto

in front, who enter in the auto in front, who end in the auto in front four autos

in front because I Gikormier I'm I'm got in my earbag he saw

the hood open and I'm like, I've never had an accident my life, it's my only accident.

So, I'm going to I'm asking, and then I'm what's the what's the thing that's what's the

door, and then I'm like, what's what's going, and then, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm

that, there, the police arrive, the pomper, all the people are, and there,

there, there's some, there's not, there's not, there's not there, there's not, there,

and, you know, and, so, so, I'd be there for six and a minute, and he's run to 7.10. Then I said, hey, she'll have really

realize that I'm putting a rancor and I'm not there. So, so I'm going to I'm sorry. It's, I've got to be a accident with my auto, it's a boulevard on all the way to

search, so I think we'll cancel it, I could not be able to go and all that. And it's like I see, that we're in together, because

the first phrase, it's been in my car, I'm going to rejoin, and she's coming me join as like that. And it's

like that had to come out and we're going to you're going to we're going to like to

get to get to work at 8 o'clock eight hours and a minute I'm going to eat at restaurant, we

have eaten very late at the restaurant and then we can see okay, perfect, we can't

see how we and it's like that's incredible yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, more, because you it's like like you like I, like I,

like I, she'd like, she'd be just me say, okay, it's beau, no problem, you'll remember, and we'll

re-sue something. She'll have just respond to that. She'll know, she's not, she's not seen, she had a few years in a

restaurant, but there's a first time, it's said to say, I'm in a minute at Jolla. Wow,

for me, it was like, wow, there really something, there's really, to have, to see, and, then, ah,

to see, what's the after we're in a bit of time to go to and then, and we're to go to

and then we're what's, that's what we're restaurant and another restaurant and then a other apartment, you know, you develop your relation. But the fact that they bring the time to come me to see, to come and me to search, when she had been

just said... Wow. At the next. And at what do you? A question profound, she's your answer? My God, there's a lot of business that repopened. The calm. Julie, is someone who is

someone who is capable of an temperament, there, fonseer, but who fonsierment is someone to pose, to calm, who profite the moment present, who profite to bring a

good coffee the morning, the little joys of the life, who is kind of, who is very much,

who is attentionate with the world, so I'm to help really, the number of times

I'd come to the number of the time, and I was, in the great drama, and the

and she was like, she like, she was, okay, we, we, we just, we just,

we'll just jose a a little all, The fact, Julie, she has my pace, she calmed, and she gare a little the trouble of energy that I get, there's a good story.

I don't know. In fact, it's the note. It's beautiful, so it's the first time that I can't, she'll tell me, but it's all right. Probably that if she was in front, I'd have already, I'd probably to be there.

But, you know, for regard to what it has been made. But it's certainly what it's to do you, that's important. Absolutely. You know, it's your need to, The number of

the time the night the night hour, it's a week, we're at the TV

we're just sitting and we're just sitting quietly and calm without being pressed to do

everything, it's that it's a it's a important much, yeah, because you

communicate well, yeah, so she has also that to communicate

your emotions? Yeah, plus, yeah, plus, much, because

because they're in the job that that I've in the profile of career that I've in the world financier, there's a lot of people who are in

trying to see on their table, you know, while that Julie, she's a person to be a profoundly, profoundly, you've met with

at some occasions, attentionate, emmante, you know, it's the accolade, her mother is of descendants Italian,

so, so, so, so, so, I'd say, the family, the people, so, so,

so, it's sure that, Julie, when you're there, it's a model for me to be more close to the world, to be affectue in the world, in a job or me, you've got to be able to be, well,

you're doing a carapace sometimes in this job, because you know that people come to see, they're going to be able to something, so at a moment of a day, you'd beaughts a little carapace, so Julie, she'll make,

to open this carapace that for rest a person human, you know, to be talking about to proximity, progest of the world, accueyent, because she,

she's very interested, by the other. Oh, yeah, really. Really, Julie, it's someone, the humility, really. Julie, she'll have listened to, the number of times that I've been in the showery where Julie, she's what you've ever been, that's what you've ever been, that's, it's not her who's talking, she's going to be interested, really to people,

she'll have, it's incredible, incredible, incredible, it's a great quality. What she's been, we've ever seen, Julie and, it's not always easy to be with the conjoint, you know, like, let's on, let's on Mario. Because, sometimes we have the impression to bring the place

of someone else in the sense that when you're in a event, and there's a, for who, you're important in their career,

who have wanted to be able to you know, like I'm saying, you're at least, there's like, there's like something, no,

no, I see, I'll be you're going to you know, I can't where we're doing where we're, we're trying to

we're trying to let's see , but we, yeah, yeah, it's sure, because for Julie,

sometimes it's like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you know,

it's tasset a little, but you know, it's not sometimes, it's quite really, really flat,

because there's not a lot of there's a whole, so, so she'll say, okay, I'm not been there,

but I'm not, it's been some, I've seen, I've seen, quite shal to talk to me, it's a

question to me, like, she's so, Julie, she's She's like She's She's She's

For she's For she's But she's But she's She's always She's always She's always She's always

attentioned Inver me Inver the People But I'm But I'm We're talking Especially in the

Last year Because she Because she It's That also For Julie That at a At a moment

Of course If you If you'd If you'd If you'd If you'd If you're To say

If you're To be D'E'd be To be the friends, the 10, 12, ball, like, I've done, you know, so it's exigent for her. So, she's exigent for her, and she, and she, she, she's that she, like, she, she's, like, she,

because the guy, she's, like, she has, because the guy's cormi, who will be talk to, and talk to me, because it's, it's, he's, he's, we, we're, so a, we're, so, we're, so, a friend, , we, sort of, we, sort of, have a job, , we should, have something, so, we're, we're, so, we're,

with the power, he has, and the influence that he has, but, but, it's Julie, who my accompany like that's it's been, she, it's been,

she, it's really good, it's not, yeah, it's not, it's not, if you

have to write a biography, what do you do you do know, to do you do know,

the movement of the garden, uh, I'd say that I would be going to,

um, uh, revening to our reason to return to return to our reason

to be, for me, when I did you just to re-aligning the jardin, on these members,

on these clients. For me, this chapter that in my life, it's been how I'm going to

help this organization to be able to be able to their reason to be able to and the chapter. That's really

a chapter that I would be more Desjardin. And I, personally, that would

be the word resilience in the phone. It's would be the reason why I've

started Desjardin at the presidency on 2016 on a high, you're the

the more young president, the economy goes well, I'm my ideas in my head, we're on the

we're, we're doing, we're doing some of the success, we're doing acquisitions, the employees,

the administrators of the people are with me, we're going, and bang in June 2019,

it's one of the most important feud of Rensem personal. I've, you know,

you know, you planifes not that, and then, you're that you You can. And then the number of people who, in December

2019, me said, Maricloat, hey, you know, you know, you know, you know, you do not have had to turn the page of the calendar year to fall in

2020 and finish this annis an iribilus there. When I turned the page of the last year,

what's going to get to be, the pandemic. The day or the day or the night I have I put 50,000 employees to

work for Desjardin in their there's not a manual, there's not a leave of a recet, there's no procedure, there's not a processus. But the person who wanted his hypotheque, Wednesday, she'll have her

own hypotheque. The person who wants their own enterprises, Wednesday, he'll want their own enterprises. So, so today with the recule, I'm capable of saying, the fute of the Rensiguerre She DeJardin, she has developed

a packet of muskly of dutche and of Guy Cormier and of his team of direction, and the 50,000 employees, that The fact that when the pandemic is arrived, we're trying. We're saying,

it's all right, but we're clear that I, you know, there's a 2016, 2019, which is a

president, and there's a 2019, 2024, which is a true true business. Because the

future is something that you're that's something that's something that's not. Exactly, exactly.

It's internal, there's at two levels. And yeah, and I'd never, the members and clients

continue to have a confidence in us, because at the moment that, you'd

you'd say, okay, it's, it's it's these millions and millions of Quebecers and and the Canadians who are doing

with us who are in people who are at the end of the day, I'm in the business of confidence

there's a I mean, you know, there's a car not with an automobile when you get to

your car not with an electric meneaging you, you part not with a leave,

you part with a lot, an an opportunity, an insurance, it's intangible

so, so you can have a business, because you have confidence in the organization,

in the person, in the people, in the people, in the world, that comes to a moment like that it can be

affected. So, my work at my time, during this period, it was just, at all the

morning I'm and I'm doing, my job to me, is that the people, it's that the people, in

New York, in our employees, in our administrators, it's just that I'm that you

know, the pressure that was enormous, because you have the pressure of obviously of the

client, but at the intern, you have to you don't an image also of reconstruction or of confidence

or no matter to people who work, you're like like the head of the way he's doing how he will get that

when you know, I mean, and that you do have to call your organizing a reunion of the council of

administration for their say that's arived sometimes the people say how it's not a man

complicated it's not a long reunion and the only objective that I had in my time when I

had done that when I it's that when they're they're going to they're going to they're going to get, we're we're the

good captain to be able to because they're not that they're not that's not it's not that it's going to be more complicated

to get more to get more when I'm the Consent administration the second appeal that I have to

the first people to make to say to you know to you know to hear that you're to say

you're saying the first to you know a very, the same thing you when he was when he will recrochet

is that they say, we're a good captain, there's a good team and they're a time, and they're

going to be able to do you like that's that's a reason that you're the way to the media to explain, but

at the internal, you know, you know, we're doing the person, he's going to do you know to do you know

to do you know how much I'm trying to get a person who has been there all the long of my

presidency but really in this period that has joined a role emineman important. often, one, for me to get me, in my posture,

in my stress, in my nervousity, and two, to attach a packet of fill and aligned of things that I could more be more

to be able to be able to be the confidence, and that the people, they know that we know that's they're in

an intern, I had an player pivot who had a lot of that, but for me, it would be

with a period, with the with the question, it's I've grown, I've heard, but what we're all

all the answer, the answer, Well, yeah, when you're in the time, when the crisis is there, you have not the choice to get it? And how you do you react? You know, how, you react to that? It's determinant in the suite, right?

The people, when we talk to this period there, the people, it's fascinating how they say, you know, to me, you know, Mr. Kormier, it's been, it's really sad, but we've seen with the time that it's arrived, I mean, perhaps not the employer,

but we've got to come back that's the new reality in which we're today. But we're still the way that you have you've got to get it. You haven't been an port-parole of communications, you have not not invited a press, you have made

face to the music, you have, you have worked, you have worked, you've tried, you've worked, you've got to be able to, so much, you have to be, it's not just what you're, it. It's not just what you're in the life, it's, how you react, and how you, you put? And, and, you, there's a packet of matinee, or of the way, you digage something, but you

embarked in the auto, you're going to, you're insecure, you, you're anxious, you're not sure, you're preoccupied, but you've got to doggage that like that. It's like when I was working with Isabelle, we're working on,

okay, the message, the posture, the confidence, because you're nervous in the front of the way. Can you say that an woman

is an person who has a leadership? I know, I know, you know, also, you know, a person who has a leadership

and who has applied with the time to me to know to be able to be able to be able to be able to me

and to not, because you know, in these moments, these moments of great crisis, we know how we're

going to when we're not in, you know, we've been able to say, we're doing, I think of,

there's there who are who are going to fission, and there are who are going to face. Exactly,

exactly. But then you have not, you know, what's the you know, that's not prepared to that.

You know, and I'm not the phone, you, know, when I you know, when I'm people are important, I

remember, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been in, at the Assembly National

of Quebec in commission parliamentary for explain what's the moment the point. We can imagine there's not, the people are

people who are in a question, and they want to there's a little, you know, and there's there, and there's to get a couple of coup of course, it's like when you

know, you're like you're like, you're like a little pokey, I'm on the grand alay, and there's a man who's

that's on via me and who can't and he says, you, you're, you're, you're you're, you're,

you know, I said, my, Mr. Carmine, I'm just saying a thing. I'm a member to She's a John. I know that's not the fun of what. I'm going to find what. We have confidence to Desjardin. Dejardin, it's at us. We're going to pass it to the travel. No, I don't know, Mr. Kormier.

It has been, 40 seconds that, it's a moment. He's not been long. But this monsieur, he, he measures not the energy that he made. He measures not the confidence. He measures not the

good that it's made in this period of tempete, So at a moment of a day, in these periods you know how you know how to react but I'm in my case

I'm sure nouried these messages positive that I received and it and it made sure not and in my

guard reproached, that's a that's able to that's the team of the team of the

team of the team that I'm always just there who I'm there who's there

there's there's there too there's a that it's that it's it's the people who

have passed to be having to Is it, when you're passed, and it's a very a big stormpite, the feud of the day? Is it so

that's a lot of things that are more more than? Absolutely, absolutely. I'll say, today, when the pandemic is arrived, okay, the pandemic

is arrived, we don't know what going to be going to pass, but, we've been to pass, we've just

to play the four last minutes in the advantage numeric, and we don't have been

to be able, it's going to the next minutes, the team is ready. F'all, you're in this state of that, in the state of

that that's in the state of that that I'm confidence in Desjardin, I'm confidence in the employees, I'm in the time, we've been to pass a period

difficult, and we're in all, we're in so, so, yeah, when it's a lot in the other times, when the

tariffs arrive in our economy, when the inflation amount to 9%, when there's when the geopolitic

so transform, or when it's some other situations of crisis in of the jardin or to have you to be in

you know, you know what? We have these tools we're doing we're doing we're doing you know,

you're not you're not you're not you're not to help you to help you to help you to get to

you're doing to try to to find out of you know that's like that you work. The player

of the player of you're starting to come so. Oh, but yeah,

I'm it's the people that's the One of the things that is difficult in this job not for me

for the people around me my wife we're talking of Isabel the members of the team of direction

is that the spot is on Guy the recognition is over Guy the people are saying oh wow

the president there's there's sculte there but the people on the around there's often

they're they're they're that part that you're that you're prepared but these people

they're often more in long. It's hard for these people like this person like I've got a lot of recognition.

I think the recompense for these persons that's often when you know you've got all put up and you

it's all right you know you know that you know you've been brilliant all this because I'm

because I'm because I'm exactly because you know you've not neglected something you're not

to be able not prepared you're not you're not because I think when I'm

you're the last mayion of the chain there's a there's a pressure that that's

that's like that all that's it's like you imagine the contrary they're trying they're all but they're their work

that's not recognized so I think I think the reconnaissance it's the result that you take part

it's like it's like a piece of a theater a spectacle in the there's a there's a

there can't there's people there are there there people there are the people who spectac and quality, and the people are people up, and applaudis,

they applaudis, yes, yes, they're all the strad, but it's all the entire, you know, it's like when you know, when you're

on TV, you're all a team, but let's talk, I'm not, my dossier, let's talk, I mean, I'm doing my fault,

you know, because I was all I have everything for that so I'm a moment of a moment I think it's that it's this

pressure that that comes with saying, okay, but I, I have a to be at the heart of the

attempt of my team in the time. It's difficult. I don't know if you're the cult of personality is

so much important. The people when he them, and God, you know, and you know, so the people

they're going to have an team behind. And it's easy to get to come in a piece of ego

personal, to say, well, I'm all because I'm all right for me finally,

because the people, they nourise to that. But the people, it's it's probably

of the world. We talked to Julie, we we talked to my kids, we talked to people, we're talking people around to you know, who's about it

and they're able to and they're able to and then, that I'm grand mind-died to have these people because it's easy to be

to get the and to be the big head, but you say, it's not that it's not that's not the result, it would

it would be probably, exactly. And, and I, you know, I'd say always in my team,

when it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I have not 50,000 people behind me, but what I mean,

what I mean, when it's when it's possible, you know, why, and when it's great, it's all, it's great, it's

that you know, so, so, so, so, you know, just when it's not been done, we're

doing it, we're not, we're not , we're not, we're not, but that's, it's really a work of

part, and you're, you're an sportive, and you've inculkeed that, you're the captain,

but you're, but you're, you're, an team, in dissu. Absolutely. So, I think

that your team, it's like that's that's not that's a good point. I'm a

never, I'm never never totally view on the but probably that's what they

they're that's what they make the the thing, the

that is the construction collective of the message, but that you're making

the message that, it's important that, your personality, the

perception of people, you're you, you're a leader, It's a player, not all the

people who can be there no more, you know, it's something to be a leader especially of an

team like that your question. Guy, the question opto-rezo when you regard the

ensemble of your life what was the best period what was the

most period? Oh my God, the the the the

last last my 45, 55 for many years maybe

people are saying it's the period that's the period that's the period where

my love with Julie my our our our proximity,

this couple that he he's consolide even even if I'm

even if I work we're we develop the serenity of the maturity

my my children, they have 20, 24, 28, I see they take their involve in

the life with their wives, the conjoins, these children, so the life is belle, and I, in the

phone, I can mepanue professionally and I can have an impact in the society. The privilege

to be president of the movement of Desjardin, it's not only the president of the Jardin, it's to

feel that you have the levied to do the good, you can help

of the very communities, not only with with the don't of the commandeat, but sometimes in facilitation of the

things. So personally personallyelment, I've seen that I've had been a great enterprise of Quebec,

but also in the society, but personally my family, my family, my conjoint, my spouse, it's just

be so we live like like this I'm like, I'm super excited because I'm saying, well,

I go see, it's like it's like, it's like, it's been, Pooke, he puts, he puts, that's not an example of hockey, but you know,

he puts, he puts, well, your voice, your voice, your voice, grow up, yeah,

I'm, so I'm in a big period of my life actually. I know, I know, I'm privileged, to have that

that's a moment that in my life, so I'm trying to to give us to give us. But in all the time, you're very

very, but for real, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and to be

also shoo- and so-reue, and so-re-re- to be an man accomplished, I want to say that. There's a

something for you the rest is like a bonus. Yeah, exactly but you're right, sometimes I mean, you say that

once I said that with Mark Alexander. I mean, I'd have the impression that my life will just more than

that I'd be able to I'd be afraid, I'd be content of what I'm to contribute, to what I'm to have contributed,

to get to get to finally, you're still, you're still plenty of sense in the reservoir, you're able to

capable to do something again. But I'm going to say that today I'm just just being

with me, well, with what I have brought around me. Accomplied, it's a good word,

it's a good more, after that after that's it's a objective of life, I think you

that you're in a time, this period of kind of plenitude, of serenity, to get

to be, wow, I've done and I'm and I'm and I'm so, and I'm

so, thank, thank you, thank you, thank you, it's a It's a great privilege to be able to be. Thank you.

It's a privilege for me also. I've been a lot of pleasure. Thank you. And thank you to all everybody to have been there and the next podcast. This episode

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