Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - Paul St-Pierre Plamondon | Ouvre ton jeu en mode électoral avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, Chef du Parti Québécois (PQ)« Faut être un peu fou. Mais c’est une belle folie de penser que le monde peut aller mieux. »Dans le cadre de cette série spéciale « Ouvre ton jeu en mode électoral », Marie-Claude Barrette reçoit les chefs des principaux partis politiques québécois à l’approche de l’élection du 5 octobre 2026.À travers les questions d’Ouvre ton jeu, on découvre ce qui les a amenés à s’engager en politique.━━━━━━━━━━━00:00:00 Introduction00:05:02 Cartes vertes00:36:01 Cartes jaunes01:14:28 Cartes rouges━━━━━━━━━━━L'épisode est également disponible sur Patreon, Crave, Spotify, Apple Podcasts et les plateformes d'écoute en ligne.

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people are that they know that's not a lot of the politics like a militant.

I've started, I had at pen six years when I started to my implicated

and what I'm always the plus is the campaign electoral because

that's the encounter with the people it's this interaction there, there

there's a there's a there there's there especially for the chief,

because she and they're all on the on the people on the people as far the people

as far as the political, and especially to you, the electorate and I'm all we're all the

people, and in plus we have the chance to live in a democracy or the day of

vote on the 5 October next, each of us have the right

to vote and we're all all all the right of

the society when arrive the moment to vote our vote has the same

value. So, perhaps you are the indecis, or at the contrary, you milite for a party,

I think you have a pleasure and to learn to listen to the five chiefs who they are, what their

aspirations, why they fund the politics, what's the level of engagement that?

And what's they want for the Quebec? Evident, open on your you know,

we know, we go a lot on the plan human, so it so it's for the

five chief. Today, Today, I'm really happy to because I know it because I don't

know it personally and he m intrigue a lot of he's chief of the party

Quebecois from the 9 October 2020. He is deputed from the 16 January

2022 in the circumscription of Camille Lorin and present I'd

you'd you'd say that the party Quebec has seven

deputies who are at the Assembly National obviously you'll

you're I'm I'm of Paul St. Pierre Plamondon. So I'm I'm hard to have to have more on some

on this time to discuss with him of him and to learn to know it. So, place to Paul St. Pierre Plamondon.

He is before me. Welcome, St. Pierre Plamondon. Thank you. And we've decided to be to be sootue.

Yeah, it's been more fun. It's all right like that. I'm content to be content. I'm also

I'm a bit Favrele, by count, in the sense where these questions are mysterious.

Oh, yeah, we're like, is the ad of a bit of a bad. Well,

there's a lot. There's a thing that there's a question, which is going to be

in all the directions. And what is stressing there in? Well, it's to

say that it's more the fun, but there are there are some of my life

familial, I'm a little a little where it rough in

cause of the political, and there are some of the place I've developed the reflex of my family of the life

public, because at the final, if I'm to choose to the good-eat of my family, I'm choosing my family

in the sense where the life political can go to go a little sometimes vis-a-vis of people who have not a

rapport in the history, and my children, my children, I have to be my parents, so, it's sure

that when I the card of tarot. It's like, it's like, it's going to go to go. Is it? Is it? If you're going to, I'm asking, I'm going to say, I'll get to say,

I'll tell you. I'm going to explain. Because, in fact, I'm, what I'm, what I'm, it's the act of voluntary, it's to talk about, so I'm, so,

so I'm going to go to the retranchement, but I know a lot of questions, but there's a question. Yeah, there's a

joker. Exactly. So, I'm not because the card John, it's me that's me that has been so I'm going to

to learn to know more the level gender, we're not,

I'm not the level but I'm in not like that, it's it's a different, it's really

in line with the political with your because the game is at you're not there's a question,

there's a single, because I want to be just with the level gender that all

everyone has made the same in the situation, but that's it's in the party

and you the Joker. The family Joker. So, if you say there, when

when you when you're when you're on the Tab, obviously, I'll have one.

Yes, but I'm absolutely to do you know, I'm obstin't not. Okay? So,

for the Niveau on the table, you will give me five questions that you will choose

without you do it like you're, you're five? Parmive this? Yes,

so I'm my time for the look at it, you're not, it's a hazard.

It's a hazard. Like that I'm saying that you're not, that's not right.

Yeah, so I'm I'm trying these two there, and then then we'll end this one

then we're so you're to be there you're in to have to answer you're to have to make one

so there's there's there's not there and there's that you let's fos to you

if you you know that's you're all the well but what is

your your your your your your what means

the family for you what what what's what the

role to part you part you What person was determinant

in your parkour? And where your your sense of the engagement? They're they're all

good. I'm going to this one. What is the role of Pair you've

to have to let's let's see. We're we've we're going? Essentially essentially

I'm essentially, I'm, I'm... I'm the most moment of my

life, to learn. I'm I'm always that a child that's in your

life and to be to be to develop I'm three, they have to have

to have the one with the other, he's not not to the

personality or not the physical he's the two guys. My

not of the whole I'm going to I'm in a lot of but I'm but I'm

sure that that's I'm sure I'm saying my God how it can't then you

and then obviously I've had been a policy or the politics has nothing to have

there's sure that a preoccupation that I have been a lot we're talking we're talking

we're talking about we're talking about there's they're there's there's

because I'm in politics And obviously, in my head, there's always the question, is the choice that I've made on the plan professional that, already in terms of choice professional, is not standard, I think not everyone in Quebec

who had picked the PQ at the moment where I'd have taken. He was coming, just for being sure that all right? In failure, technique. With no chance to survive in those elections

suave. All the people said that I'd be in a little in coat of court, and that the PQ had to die. Cheney of every interview that I'd say,

I'd say, at the limit, that's a choice professional but there where there there's there's

there's, I don't that it's, I don't that my parents,

but what what's what I know, that's that's that when I'm in

playing to play at baseball with a ball of tennis and a bat in

styro mousse and that we can be and that it's so much

interesting to see their evolution that I disappear

there it's, it's, it's it's a lot, it's a lot, but I'm asking, but I'm always that's never quite any part of,

they're going to, we're always in trying to be in question, is that, is that I'm a good parent, and so, is it, being a good,

questions, and not many questions, and not many questions, and not so, so, you know, so you know, to see how much to say,

you know, but, ormie the nervosity of the choice political, and to be a, part, when I'm with you,

we're, it's a fun, it's droll, And it's to live something substantial

that's that's the political and the adversity that and the that's my choice, I'm not

put it's the choice that I'm but when I'm with them, it's, I go see the practice of hockey,

the people, he's he's on telephone and I'm talking to talk of stuff of

I'm not not too to get to not over the confidentiality but I'm in the estrade

of each practice But I regard the practice and they're they're doing babae and the

course of piano and the course of tennis and I think a lot of their development in the sport

but I think I'm a lot of fun and I have a big space non-politic to

to look they have they're doing they're good and I know, I don't

I regret not, if I if I could if I could have more than I

would I have to I'm in what age for the moment? But it's

that. Oh, you do not large no, no, I can I can say, but what I'm saying,

but what I'm going to say, you'll get to you're going to because I'm going to be the country, and I'm in

three, six and eight. They're so they're in a moment of a day, is it is they're in the car,

is that's what they're going, that's to my say, my my fee me asked, you're going

to be to be part to be a bus to get a four when I'm we're doing,

we're doing, at Kakuna, yeah, his My eyes are so my my girl to know

to get her She's she's a past she's she's getting at 8, so it's not totally innocent, it's

my name, right. But then she's like, but she'll be able to quit. So she'll see, but that's a

issue, it's probably the case that. Yeah, it's like you're to have

with their eyes to find to watch to see what but in retrospective

when you revoir when you're And that they're they say what? Ah, well, my my children

have tried that's true, they're trying to, it's sure that the more young, they're still, they're doing

very well, and they're always to make the part amusing, even when it had mal, they, they,

they'd not to do it, but we, it was, it's, to see, to see, to go to

do it, to go to go to they're, they're embarked, and there there were, and there

there, there are, there, there are people, that they'd, you know, to get on the aquarium or, you know, my children, have always liked

to be a condo there. So, when we're going to in Quebec, especially in Campan Notaral, we're trying to try to try the fun. But, you know, even, sometimes,

when there were when there were when there was I was going, I mean, I pliqued in a campaign. So, we'd have been in

a campaign, we, we had, but we'd protected the children, but... Because, sometimes, I'm I'm asking,

the question, you, you know, there's a lot, and there's normally, there's a lot, you know, at which age, the

he is in position to learn that and to let it's in context versus is it's so it's totally they'd

be able to them. You know, with the experience, I'm saying, I don't know what a psychologist would say to

that, but the children would know more the absence of Mario. Comprehain that there

had some people that had people who had the people who had on the candidates and did to the children, he

could imagine, you know, you understand, it's not just, Papa is not there. You know, he's at the Assembly National,

that's going to say, it's a day of course, it's a day of, I mean, it's always, I mean I've been to get to

this reason, they've been so, they're they're in my bureau, they're often, I'm even actually,

I'm even actually, a car, to course teleguided, and we bring the long corridor of

the Assembly National, and I make far to my wife, Morris, the

activities, so it's to assist that also to the life of Papa and he can see a little and in the

time he's like it's like it's like it's really, but in the time they're in the time I'm doing it

in the time they're doing the emotions, the people, they can't maybe the maybe the but I'm

maybe I said never privy of nothing and we wanted not instrumental that, it's always the limit.

The children were not there for that we're there, they were there for being also,

not all all the time but in great party when they it's it's a idea,

to understand to learn, yeah, they had to watch during the they had to their lunch they had to

get to get, they'd get to get them and they're they're talking. He's then they're then they

had to be, yeah, and he'd know, what's the yeah, which is my case,

well, but it's there's a something of something of you, there's a political,

it's been that's been too to quit the politics because the politics is,

of the human, it's the humanity. It's the major and the worst of the world. Yeah, it's

so, it's like that I'll reubate. You're in all the color so it's the affair the thing that's the

thing that's the thing is at the point you can see you can see there's a point you can't be very

and heroic and some things absolutely indign, so I think normally normally it's more volatile

and at it's a point, but we're not it's a point, it's a opportunity it's an

Accelerate of the Human. Yeah. And I see not not, but when it it was going less well, and like that

you're premier in the end of the end of the people who didn't know when it's not there when it

when it when it was there there was there there was there there were

people but they were there there in the there there. There's that there

there and there there but that's my my team rapproched

but It's four people. And it's those who were there when it's that went to go. Oh, no, no. My debut at the United States. It's more than

an idea than that. Because the regard, it was not time it was really, the people posed a regard very severe and pessimist by a part of the

I'm just, because you know, you've had the government parisot, you've had Lucien Boucher, Reney LeVecke, I'd never not all.

But, you know, it's a great party to politics public this party but there when I was when I was when I'm

there's a there's a there's a new there's a question, but that's it's the fun

for me because it it's also to relativize when I'm doing a sudden I do you

I'm a very of the medale I'm parted of the and I'm backy but I'm

I'm back and I'm in politics you can't be the hero, the zero the hero

the zero and so And then, it's exaggerated in the two sense. You know,

it's not true that the people that are in politics are also, you know, sometimes you

see, the media social, the comments are repubentable. Yeah. It's exaggerated. But,

the same also, the whole can't be enthusiastic for a party or a politician,

and also it's exaggerate because to , you know, to bring some it's, it can't not play

to be able to world all the time. I mean, by definition, a society, the people are not are not at 100% of accord on on each decision important, and it's

going to make contentment, and there's some of the extreme, and then you have on being to be conscious, then try to give an direction

that's just centric, I'll say, grounded, but the more in French, it would be anched. Encree,

yeah. Because the the more that can do that it's to have the two the two

the two the two on the place on the place where we're in a place where we're

that's solid. Because it it's a front of the face, vande of the door

but it branch and the problem also is the acceleration with that

the moment where you are some where you are some

the telephone not the actuality not So the cycles so are

so that's a danger because it it's a danger because it has a lot of because it's a little bit of recule and to have a sphere that's

to have a lot of that's not that's that's not that when we look at the curbs on the people of the people,

everywhere in Occident, it's not proper to Quebec, it's that I think not that the being made for being in

hypervigilance 24-7. The brain is not made for that. It's doesn't. The

The brain is even not made for having videos of course in the time in the way to bring the people

while now we're doing it's sure that's actually that's active very too of our brain.

When we talk with specialists in neuro-psychology in neuroscience, the impact of the brain is the

brain, and we're doing that I do so so often, I'm doing my Instagram and I

say, whoa, what's what I'm doing too of information in a few

of time. And in plus, the algorithm to us we may what we're to see what?

I'm like that's like the subject of the time to the time to do you see my and she's

she was in she was in a few of a lot of I'm like having an other parents that had

the children that was that the issue was really really heavy and it's like that

I'm that I'm that that's a idea that had been that was being

been well in the space public but not the parliament at the finally

it had done a commission and the Commission, we've made recommendations, and I think it's not

finished, because just the information on how our how our how much it's to be toxic in the development

of the infancy, all that it's, it's a lot that it looks inoffensive, so I think we have like

our guard and we're not realised. The cigarette, there was a discussion of phone, when all

everyone was there there's good chance that that this bookanne that's not not natural,

but that it was more subtive, and I think we're not finished a lot attention, it's that we stand

more fast. We're used to be in the rapid so when something we're always to be more more, we're there's not,

we're not, there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot, I know, I know, I'm a question like that, because often

when I'm asking if, is, is, because when we're being a papa or when we're to be a mom, we,

we have, an image, is, is you're the pair that you have been to have been to be the

pair that I'm that I've had wanted to have, I've had had been, I, It's perfect. The pair that I've had, the mayor

that I've had, I've got any question or an issue, it's that, so it's, so it's, so it, so it's, so it's, what I'm not in- What do you think, to be a pair like that, a pair present

that he regarded the development? I don't know, how you saw your role of Papa? I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm said that my role, is,

to, to but also to fix the limits or to make that's an education

and not not a bar over over of what, for me to be to say, and be doing

and be of a tolerance, it's not to be aming that. When we we're we're in

if we're so, we don't the tools, and it means there there's

there there's there's there investire the time. But what I me

said is that each infant, my role was to them to give them

to give them them their response, not the mine. Is it that's always easy?

Oh, yeah. My son, my second, my second,

my year, yeah, I, yeah, a five years, at five,

I'm had decided the chumann to contours to court, she're,

she she's, she, she was declared that a day she'll be chief of the party

Quebec. And I'm like to do you I'm not not quite too. Sometimes I'm both at

a kid who if you're doing it's she'll have in the sand and you know my second

he wants nothing to know it doesn't not so my role for me is

to say I'm to tell you to be to be to be to be to be

really on your X to be really there in the life where your

your equilibrium, your coherence with you and then it's not it's not I'm don't know

just that fascinating that they can have some that's that's not so much it's not a

lot of adaptation also as like parents to see to they to be and they

know they they're they're but they're on common the blagues so in all

so you don't know that's not that don't you know that rire

a good and rar, these move coup of each one, I'm

my own and vice versa. That's the sign of a good relationship. We're a niaze solid.

So, the trevers of of each Yeah, I'm really. I can't let I'm just,

I want to I'm going to see a family, but it's, but it's, it's, it's a

whole old a lot of a lot of that's it's all fun. That's, it's

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I think that there are several forms of entrepreneurship in the life. It's what, you know, to find, you know,

it's that we're going to get a vision. So, in affair, there are people who would be a

company who would be a success to do that and then you see, they're passionate, and even if

they're talking to people who are sure, it's going to be sure, it's going to be able to

get to what you're going to what's the thing, it's the people, they're

they're their vision. I'm the version political of that. It's been many years that I observe,

I command, and I'm interested naturally to what what's not and what's the way to go to the fact of having to

a country, I'm going to be in the country. Live at the country. That's it's a difference to

live. You're to realize the particularity of Quebec. Evident the PQ it's also

with the fact that it's like a destiny of an accomplished by a whole

people who have been but you know, the t'est, the tor, the travers, the

good of our and there a moment to do I'm at a good complete because it

will not, I've got to I'm in the commenter but I'm going to do what I've to do you have

to do not alterer my response but my parents one of the question of who has been to who has been

the question of your parents that's not that's not in passing, the two, we've got to the worded to be able to

the PQ and we've had many discussions on why they've got voted like 195, how he's how he's

how he see it's how he when he's got a when I'm going to when I'm in a 30th that's recent

so we're in 2016 so it's fine 30 but I had started to comment and to write to write and I'm

yeah, I'm I was back I'm doing I'm doing I'm at times and time and I'm and I'm

and that and that is what has been reproached in my career of a carriard of

the the first my debut in a grand cabinet, it's a little there's

there's there's always and you're there there's there more, I think

I'm not that I would have a career, I'm able to I'm to say, I'm in a

superiors that I'm in a order of I'm over at RDI commented something

it. It's like a bit it's like a it's like a I'm at least. I thought it fascinating that we can

be debatts and reflect to think you're to think the fact that you're having to have been in Europe because

in Quebec we have always that we're more to debate. Yeah, it's right that has changed and then

sometimes I'm a bit in decalage of the mentality dominant. Yeah, because I imagine to have

lived here to have, is what you have been to have been to permit just to go to

get more to be to be with people who, you know, not who they'd but who'd confronted, but, you know, like,

amicalment, not that's finished in chican? Well, I've made one a minute in in England, that's

kind of a culture of confrontation. The French have that also differently, but, you know, the Parliament Britannic,

that, it's a brauss, it's not, it's not joyue, the French also. The Scandineav argument,

but are, they're not Latin, they leave the tone, and there's a lot of you're able to

be able to be able to be able to but in the case it's right that in having

voyaged it's very that I'm a bit in a little bit to say what I'm

what I'm think in a case to be to say the because I'm

the debate will be well if we can't if we can't

the facts that are pertinent and the solution as that I know

I'm for the people but in the actuality Quebec-caused, in a reason of a

part cultural it's a very much it's a very much more I'm not fashy, I'm just saying I'm

in disacquare and I think would be more there and I make the effect because and it's paradoxal because I

think it's a create an adhesion around me because my texts are senty, are authentic, are long,

too long, I'm not I'm going to do it all the time. So, the people, they want

there's there there's there there's there's there but there And, there's some people are, but people are like,

but it's not strategic, why you're doing that's a question, it's because it does be said, it's,

it's, it's just, it's true to be that, it's true. It's not necessary, that. It's to be in the reflection

that we have on what we do it, but is that to play to play to a electorate and to

be on the point in the question, I'm probably not, and my team me repel several

so much, you're not the one, you're not obliges. And he he's not with a

face. Is that a have a effect? Is it a lot that's a

time? It's been a thing that's for the better and for the peer. You know,

I'm different. There's really there's really advantage to to what I do you know, and there there's a

advantage, and they know, is that? Well, no, because I could not do do you

not do it sometimes. Okay, so you're a few, I have been to be retone

or, oh, yeah, on every Sometimes it's like any part of any point you put the ball

in the fillet and you say what's the thing that's what I'm doing it the movement was super

easy and you just sacred in the net and the danger because when I was in playing to play

to try to try to get to get a what's like that the tennis is the worst thing is to focus on the

point preceding. There's always a longue that you gain or you per a match of tennis but it's sure

that if you stick My adversaries also, the, the adversaries, it's not proper to me, but the adversaries

will be to try to get to get to the double fault the long time that you can't, but the role

of someone who wants to make a complete, it's a nizue, and it's a nizue. And it's a

next point. I want to win a point, and I'm pollure not, I'm pollure

not, I'm not, I'm not, to put up is a way, is also a way a way

a way, a day, a day, a day a, You know, I said, I would say, each year, suffice, it's a pet. But not, you know,

if you put your fardo, and you... It's not a lot of... It's not part of the years, because, we know, there's a day there's days that going and the days that you

control not, but... Is there a second campaign, it's more easy, you know, to repartive, even, I'm, I'm running to the question, but...

It's because I think that, one we've passed on the time that we're trying to understand what's what is, because I...

I think you You have to live, you have to comprehend a campaign electoral as a as a chef and a

a lot, even if we're not even if you don't know even if you know, the, you know,

the whole, the, you know, the power, the pain, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the fearty that, exactly, it's like, it's like, to make his two

dood, in a place, anything, just that. Rien, just that. Rien,

that, it's, it's, but, but, but, you do not not

in the positive and the joy and the energy but it doesn't it's a

20 volt there's a yeah, is that is anxiogen no, no,

I'm that's that is that is a weird I'm much more the

campaign than the jute partis of the national and

when it I'm hard to say what I have concocted and

what I'm like a magic in the like for me for me

the For me, the debate of the chief is Newel because that's a time for doing what he's

and can replique to another and everyone has a time, there's not there's not

there's to deforming what you there's the there's there's there's 100% direct.

With a moderator and the time. Yeah, there's a time and he's the time.

And the the people the people there's the people there's there's we're the

qualities of the people of the Quebecans, when it's there's these rendezvous where the people,

they're doing the pen, he's they're they're attentively, they're they're,

they're, they're, they're, it's a very, very good moment, it's a very very

more joly than, what we live in an assembly national where you have a

little distortion of the other, and so, there's a lot of talking,

and at a moment there, you know, there's, there is, there where, there is,

there, you're, you're trying, but your everyday is kind of different of what I've been to describe, it's a bit of

a deal, where's the people are, and the idea, and the idea I'm very this experience that,

and you, you know, you've got to it's going to be in making, in so on the objective, to be the

more so- -mere the mure, and not, not to be able in terms of performance, you know,

what I'm doing, I'm going to get the other, I've got, I'm going to be, Yeah, but it's who

going to who will pay. Yeah, but at that time that's not the fun, and it's not it's not,

so it's not that, that's not, that the other do you know, but the other do you know, but it's not

that's authentic in what you do you do, and who have to do on the subject, you coache the two,

you're gonna be there's like, it's not your question, it's not your question,

it's not that's a great, I'm sure, I'm sure, and there's there's many there's,

there's, the word He's very, you know, if you've lived in a moment a moment of the moment of the time, you're not in a minute, I'm in there, my way, and then

Maraulte dormed like a busch. A chance. But I'm, I hated that the deba, that's not a bad, you know,

it's, you know, you know, and you know, and all the world regard that, but it's a jute, yeah, but you know

to be serene. I see, I see, I see, I'm sure, if we're not, if we're not to be sure, and the people,

you, has applied something the big effects of toge it's the

fun, but it's a change nothing. So, it's to go to get with

the ideas, then to make the solution is possible, and detail in what is

a more solution than the other solutions on the

thing, and that's the thing that the sauce

tabasco that. I'm so understand that, it depends,

it I get an anxiety. Yes, absolutely. Is that, we're talking, the parents, is they're in the first of

presentment? Oh, yeah, the sole problem is they're anxious. They've got to they're in

a retreat, and I think, they're in they're trying, and they're so much, that's not to be the

sense, and there's a lot of a lot of my friend, I'm talking about my friend, and I'm not,

there, you know, he did the insomni by a about my company, and at my

mother also. I said, you know, it's the choice that I've made, and then we live with, there's not, there's not no, there's a reason, to not more, without, you know, it's fair. It's a certain face of its destiny, it's like, it's like,

it's not impisive their life, of fear, of the consequences, or the million, eventuality, it's a little, it's a little, it's a few.

But it's because, they control not, that, it's so, that, I think, yeah, there's a, no, they're totally,

a, that's, totally spectator, while that it's very important. But I try to decalmers. You know, I'm trying to tell you. It's totally what you're saying. It's that, it's not the chef of the party of Quebecuer.

No, no, it's their son. And he's their fist. And he's true. And they're trying to sometimes, they're just like, yeah, apparently it's correct, you know, I'll say, oh, Pire, Ali.

You know, he arrives at what, at the peer? So, you, I've had used these discussions with them, but they're totally they're, they're suive so with passion,

and I'm content that they're there for for the are still they're still they're still they're in form

so they're so that they're all the time to do they're in the way to do you know,

it's true, you know, that's what we're doing, we're so we're we're so you

know, but you know, live your mind, and mordre in what you don't do

and that that's worth for a person, it's a individual like a person, you know,

a moment a point of can't do you know, the power can't impethe to live your life. You know, just to be liberate, and be seren, and accepting all the eventualities, but to do with the pleasure to live your, your, my own response, to have your better, to find your own, because there, there's a doubt that's instawe, and there's a lot, And there, that's not bad. Yeah, and it's long, long time after, in retrospective. When you did it, you do it, you've done to go to, and it's finished.

You pass to other things. But when the other's instale, you pass not to other things. And you're not fair to you, there's like something that's bad. Nive joan, Paul. You will me on to give me four, and we'll have chosen again two. Okay. One is you, and the other, it's me. At that, it's good.

Super. And here, and here, the questions, jone. is that you are you are in vacants to the these are these questions

hypothetical, what do you when you crosser is an itinerant? An elector you demand if you

are you're if you're doing you do you do you do you need and you do you

do you're in the place? I'll talk of the it's a part of the past

so you so you do you do you find what? I'm more more young I was

being able for Pops in the Rue. So it had done that during my university I had

a court that's called a good and I'm sorry, I'm sorry I'm sorry

that I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry and poverty and I'm and I've had made

my study on the judicialization of the statute in the rest of Canada. In me

asking the what's the penalty for those who are in the Chimene. Or in certain

Ville, there have been a lot of people, I think it's going to get the city of the bus and you say,

you know, you know, you're going to to get to a skid row. I'm going to it's all of all the

estinerance at the cell cell in the police say, when you're saying, you know,

when you're going to crosser this line, it's at your risk and you understand

and you'll get to it's impuventable. It's impuventable, it's inhuman and in

time it's a it's a little like a society without being I've been

I've lived in the abogues of the organization societal they're always I'm talking example the Dano

yeah I'm I'm returning in my family of my time to my three

children to my parents to get a pastor luter of southern New York I'm

I'm I'm just like how it's how it's it's happened this encounter that.

It's it's a fact that it has made a lot of it's a thing you're I'm sure

I'm sure that they're that they're having a campaign electoral after they not they're

not there I'm not I'm 19 already, that I'm back my children for his

anniversary and they're they're they're they're presented like the family.

The Danoas the Scandine have some like the very like

the vikings with their They're in a house long, but they they're making all the table, and they

chant, and then then they're there's a time, then you know, they've been their children, they've been just presented

like a child. It's really to have an other family? Oh, it's a other family because they have been

very influenced. They've been and it's a little to not be in link with them so. They also

they're also they're not maladyivement, but they're going to my career without

to speak French, so they put all in the tradition. But all of that's a

way to say, it's quite content to do that to come to come to it's far, it's a

long, it's just that the problem, I'd go over more often, my my

wife, my my day, my my kids were to hear to hear

and they were the eyes wrong, they'd be it's been it's been many, it's been

it's been that I'm going to try to return a little bit later. What's what is

what? I've seen quite a question fundamental on the life at my father of

a pastor Lutherian who has had been about what he's to do to philosophy

also theology philosophy and and sometimes we're not in the

fact but often in the sense of the life I've

posed questions that have determined my fashion and

he's always been very very very very I don't know, I have a, I'm like a part of my

heart, of my attachment, that is there it's always like that. I'm a Quebecois, I'm a dedicated to Quebec, my life will be dedicated to Quebec, but there's a part of my heart, I don't know why he's Danoan. I've got... I've had adored that,

I've found it, when I'm back to go, you know, in a little village, that's called Lloyd Kirkcubu. You know, there's, I'd say, there, there, there, but, you know,

I march down the village with my and I feel like I've seen like I've seen like I'm going to explain to that. But all to say that's a place where there's

a place where they're really organized sociallyly their resource in function of an objective human, before all other

consideration. So the consideration economic, fiscal or other, has never supplanted the

consideration human to say, you can't let you know to live. 24, 7,

it's not. And it has been influenced because I was in Denmark at 17 I've been for Pops

in the road at the 20th so I've made a lot of the time and I'm still in what I'm

doing to do to the party Quebecoa is one of the subject that comes really much me to get

the end of the years and it's an explosion of the enderance in the

during the years in the reason of politics public previsable and I

think that's the forum could be in politics poor but, but it's

it's not difficult. It's not because I'm a genius. It's really just because it's an event and it's evident. So, that's

one of my subject that will be passionate especially if we give the chance to do something. So, what's what I

do you do answer to question, I keep a sentiment of a stice I've been with my female,

and I'm and I'm wondering, but why we're not not over not all the chombe

all the chombe and then, it's because if we're if we're open the chambles to who we'll give them to

because there people will want to be able to get a home of a room for a lot of I'm going to

do you know, but you would have a way that she was going to she'd not, that instinctively

an infantivement an infant that says that it doesn't work not that there's a intellectual at

eight year, she has not she's not she's not she's not she's not she

not, she not really just in instinctivement the being that's It has not been a good sign. And so you can't

it can't it's not you can't that's not that's not no, but you know there's a lot of ramifications,

you know, when we're when we're talking about the health, when we're of the desinationalization that you've

had seen a process also. We, we see these people that in the pandemic accentued

also, several phenomena, and obviously if you're a vague migratory that depends

netman the number of loggens, there's no, there's not, All this in same time,

so. But it's a subject that I'm interested for long time and then. Is it the time

to start to get to because we we're on the but we've got to changement considerable?

You can't you? Completely. Completely. I'm completely. I'm, I'm quite

alex has been in eight years, but she's never made to hear in saying,

I'm I'm there for the questions social it's it's the economy I think

it's been it's been used without that we're not that's a good policy economic, we're present always

these super ministers and the economy, you look at the years of the years, in the last decade, our

years, our years, our course of economic are mediocrine in comparison with the other

countries of the country, but I think the new air of politics is that all people

talk of all the they're not necessarily of what he they're but, brief,

the CAQ has never ever put the point of that she had to be in the

question social. Never in the message, we're there's not, and the time that

we're not not sure, we're not that it's in the ADN of the party that. So,

with a government, and KISS, that, it would, we, I said that the issue

the issue the most important. Yeah, but it would be something, we're

there, and it has organized like an kind of an espese of a group of a society

civil. The support is there. And I batty on a party that

is still found by Renéle Levig, that's always had always this

I invent nothing. It's I'm there. Jacques Parizzo

the only that I had said to what serves a government if it's

not for protect his world. But the notion to protect his

world, it is, first and first and all the human. It's not a question of P.I.

P.I.B. per capita, obviously, you know, you're a reason to be able to talk about

to get to gaspiage, if this gaspiage that, you don't to do what you

do that. I don't not that's not the good subject. But all that,

can't even, would be turned to turn to human. If your chives are good,

but the proportion of the population that has the problem of the health physical or mental

is in trying to double it does what? If the well-it of the people and protect

your world is not in your heart to do you have all the indicators and you can be

to want to be able to get a category economic so what it?

It's, it would be a about people and what we're trying

to get in this moment in this discussion is that it's the

first period before long time in the well-aid of our people, go in

reculant in decline. Yeah, the generation we're supposed to have been able to get to be able. Yeah,

yeah. Yeah. And that's unquieter. My grandpair, St. Pierre, said, the importance

is the instruction and that's that I said to say, you know, there's a thing, I'm not had the affairs,

my two, he'd be super poor in their infance, my grandpire, it's a buchron there, he gillet

there, he jliii, he's, it was evident in some reasonment that's to give

something to his three fey that he had not used he was in age of

to understand I'm in my mother and my father had really the idea that there are

there's there's that they're not put to have to I'm not to

the Denmark my parents I think I think I'm I think it I'm I'm

to go the world and try to they've they've had been

they've had the university but they they've not had, not the

occasions extraordinary that I've had been he's a very much to have, you know,

I'm going than I'm going to be able to the people, they're very, they're very, they're very

people, you're not, we're three, you're three, you're three, you're three,

I'm three, so that's that's the formula to say, but you're to say, it's grave,

there, you know, it's really to be connected of the human, if we,

if we're feeling insensible to the the next generation will have a lot more more of problems

than the generation precedence. And then we're talking to health mental and physical, but you know, if you can't

become a property in your life, there's a thing, you have to quite capote, yeah,

I, that, it's a, it's a question, you know, we know, we see, that's a base of

a society, to be a property, you, but a thing, a thing, I know, I know,

we're going to we're, we're, we're, we're, you know, we, you know, we're all we're

we're when I when I see these phenomena of young in the 20thens that arrive

ultra-polarized and indoctrined on the plan ideological and you have the two categories there are

indoctrino goche ultra ultra ultra-radicalized and you have also the pendant on the right

and when I saw that what I didn't when I had a beginning but I'm

nothing that just I'm me said okay we've been to talk of the mental of pandemic.

But is it also that you look at it's not a reason, so it's that it

makes it a matter of because the equation don't know. It's because there's a lack of

hope. You know, the answer is the response to a question, the

hope, it's an direction, but when you're there's there's what? Yeah, it rest

there's some bit of somebr. Exactly. And there you're not you're not when you

regard, those who are polarize, it's like the end of the when they're when they're when they're when they're

when they're there's a there's a there's a I think it's I think for a government, it's to have to

make an issue that's project in a future in the in the world in the you know, I

think that a prime minister, it's aspired to that presentment it's, it's to work

before, it's, it's, see, the population what's it's in, how they

they're protect of that. For me, it's to be an man or a man of an woman

of a state. It's on the partisnery because one when you're a prime

minister, I think the partyanery at the national but in the it's on the way,

it's all over of that. In fact, the last years years demonstrate that the

quality of your politics public you're attract always. And

once that you in trying to do do you do you can in effect

to be to be free of all what's of the partisant. So, it's not

all the time to be able to have a vision. Because it's a lot of something

to say something that's true in two years and to me to me to be

completely demoler in the space public for a long so

so. So, there to have to have the vision in politics

correspond not to the people would want to want

to society has difficulties. So, it's more evident. So how it's a

because it can't, because it can't even the vision for advancing. Because it's because it's

not to get to get to the government. The governance by the something is something that is a

thing is but it's but the it's, it's, on the atterance, the state

of our time, the where it's there where it's there I'm going that instinctively

all the Quebecois the cent that's not in a bad direction, and that's simply to really to be able to

even if we're the And then they're going to university and they're going to they're in the employees and who are not access to the

property, I mean, I said, no, but that's at no sense. I mean, when you win a revenue,

you're able to get to buy to a house? Even just before the pandemic, it's been something that

is incredible. I'm I look at my my parents, and I read the friends that are in these age

that, you know, the first, not simple, no. It's these chois and the

parents, we've got to be there, we're You know, there are who can't, but there are who are,

but there are who are who are not who are there are who are that's the grandparent who are going to help out of because only we'll get over

there. There's a case. But you can re-establish the market if you have the courage

to regulate that's a mean, in an world completely mondialized where all the world

can't buy chute all right in Denmark is an example where you can't if you're not

if you're not a dano to buy a house danoes. It's because they've understood that in an

universe with many years, if there's not there's not of planification of immigration, not the planification of

the other factors that's not that there's a bit. The proof is that's been in a few years. Yeah,

completely. There was an point where we said, you know, in Quebec, it's the place the

place the place, it's the place that it's immuable and we're to make it to be

immuable and it's the a good Misses politics, but to say that's the

good, even if the vision is ever to be used, I'm it's not always

not always not even that's so you, so you have also to leave a bit

space to do a few have to have to have with a time of

a kind of of a question. And it's for that I've created

some that's that's good to be that, that's it's

but you need to continue because I I've always Cue to Quebec,

and I'm very treading in the arm but there's not quite we're going to getterior. No, but

not some of it's a lieu. But it's a lieu, and even when I go out of the way in a certain country

is accessible by the but at the time, but at the point, we had the we had the money.

Exactly. There, we've got no way, we're, we're, we're, we're talking,

he's, he's, he can't, the money, of what they can't be, even if it can't get

their life, there's a there's a lot of in the case by the yeah, without. Bonn chance.

Thank you. So, so I'm asking the question okay. Well, the question of the

question of the right or I think an elector you ask if you're if you're to be

if you're saying you're to have in Europe also in Europe also in

Quebec we're more we're more habitued at the right or the

country we're long polarized by two parties politics and we're more and more, but I'm not certain that

everyone understand that's, there's sense. There's nothing to understand in reason of definition, it's these acts that are defined depending on who

you talk. What's what what's the bizarre with me, is that I'm made by the Conservators of Eric DuM of Communists,

or of 13 or too to go to off, I'm obviously, I'm not the media social, not the... Not the media

traditional. No, but I'm not not that on the epitue of the same, it's really just to say there are some there's people

who consider that I'm a dangerous goshist and there's obviously in Quebec Solidare the number of

a number of times I'm doing the time of the right or the truth the difficulty the difficulty that in the

good old time gohhh right it was easy it's a redistribution of the

resribution of you're you ready to pay tax in exchange of service universal public

not complicated there was there was there you know I think there you're I'm going to you're

too of gaspiage, we're going to other side. We'll say, we're going to beckxed a little bit, we'll be able to offer more of service, but we'll find a just milieu, and then you know, you know, there are different, so the total taxation, and service is very elevant in Scandinavia, and

to the United, in certain states, it's quite much more bad, with other issues social which we've been to talk, well. But now, what is becoming complicated, is that the definition of the The other has evolved in what I'm the

New Geoche, or the gauche orange, or the gauche trudoist, you'd call it as a, like you know, but there's become really other themes, of the theories

on the color of poe, on the difference individual, on the abolition of the frontiers, a new vocabulary, the safe space,

the microaggressions. It's arrived to a universe conceptual that, when I was a chronicer, Point TV, who is kind of more a

more than the right at the time. But I'm debating with Joseph Fakal, who is a right,

but very adroit, but very adroit conservative. But all that exist didn't in the time that. It existed

perhaps in certain media, but it had been there really a new new group

that's a new group that's incarned to Quebec by Quebec Solidair. And there it's really

immigration incontrolleded, a discourse very identitar but on a base communitarist. It's

What that means what? Well, you define by your color of poe and not by your citizenship, and you define by your difference religiously? And, is it the exacerbation of the

religious is a good thing? Yes. And all this discourse has taken enormously to place in the space of five, six, seven,

and I'm not to do you get to be in a good time. I was going to be able to do you say, okay, you did for the inclusion.

And, you at a moment, you, you're I think , that the vocabulary used

correspond absolutely not to do this they're and they're doing. So it's my inscribed

at right at certain places. I think we're quite a rich for

to be all the people and the people to find our people to be

that it's a job to do it's a matter to be to be

at the because I'm in a middle because I'm in a

same to make the people all the people contribute. But,

You know, I've pretty a position defined on the time of the state of the state,

in saying, there's been too of people who offer not of service, and there's always been

someone who can have to do something? There's something that there's a there's a logic in that

that's, yeah, when I 've seen the Chiming Roxam and an immigration

is controlled with some people who can't and we don't know that's who,

there's any there, there's there's, we don't know, a statute of with the service to the

hundreds of millions of people on the territory, we're no, we've been no control of the reason.

And I've said, you have to have done to have to be the same. At the

time, Christine said it's impossible to get it after that's no, we're going to

get back, and then finally the CAQ had changed on the approach, but at

beginning when I were not to be right, we're we're trying to be extreme right?

I'm trying how that extreme right. I said, how you want you want you want you an

planification of our resources and our services if we're not a nation with a number

limited of people there's a million of people, there's a pool of service gratuit,

all the people will have a it's not not. But the discourse is very,

very vehement. So, it's a lot of stigmatization on the debate of the politics

public, the phenomenon that we have appeared in these years, it's

you to be etiquette. Yeah, and there's a Yeah, but there's a part to be able to be Yeah, but I'm sorry I'm in politics

and I'm in fact that I'm in front of course to me enfooter to me far etiquette because but in certain milieu artistic, of affairs

juridic But it's I've been I'm wondering I'm thinking I'm I'm sure I'm

I'm sure I'm that to be to be to be able to be a arm extremely effective

to make tear the reflection and the debate public. completely. I think it's appraisable

because as if you put the knee in the end of you're to make the right, and we're

saying, you know, it's stigmatized. It's because there's what I'm talking with my group,

I've done to be the time to be there, we'll say what there's a every time we're just to get into

something, we're replic and we think the thing. But now it's been the person

of soup of the soup of le, because at every that we treated of

something or that we're deformed my proposal to me demonize and that I had like

to be able to be in a lot of that's by the problem, by sentiment of injustice

I imagine. Well, we're well, we're born. But there, but it's there's been

also a fashion to me definer. You know, the people who know people who know people

I'm not they're thinking Paul. But it's not because of that

probably I'm said, He attacks Don't Ben? No, I'm just replicke when he's because I'm

because I'm concerned if you're there's a lot of there's a whole point of to be a humanized or to be just a

discussion of politics public or is what I pretend that's not intelligent what we're in the In the fact,

what I'm that's just to say, it would be continue to to make to make value

his thinking and not to be stigmatized that stigmatized that to be Retire.

The silence is the most grand danger in democracy because it doesn't not a

group of people who are completely those extremes to re-envers a majority without a silenceious.

You have able to take the power and say, I respect your opinion but I

think that that's that has no sense and here why you can be to what you

want, it's never a substitute to say because if I'm sorry it's a few,

let's say, but if we're the discussion of why someone has a time, on a time,

in a ploy of insult for trying to try to manage people, we're going to get to that's the

person who insult and and that's it's a question, it's not not those who are

trying to find the solutions in the problems. In the the last the last year,

but you do what is in what I in what I'm in what? I'm I'm trying to, I'm going to because also

you've got to be a personage and it's a moment of course than you know, you're like that you're like a

like a little yeah, but it's because it's because it works there's a there's a lot of there's a lot thing that's happened

is that the journalism at the time occupied a lot of more space in our journals and

our television and today it's has been replaced by the commentary is what the

difference between the journalist but the commentarian. The journalist has an obligation to say the fact

and the fact of the commenter, the commenter, he's an opinion. So, recently I've been a position very detailed,

very poli, in my view, you know, I'm just in disacor with what he did the government.

And there, he's fashy, he's fash, he's fash, he's fash, he's, it's an text, it's an

offensive, I'm not fashed, I'm, but a, but a fact that, it's not

the journalism, but it's you can't you can repeat the day if you want to you know that PSPP

is a question of the person, she has not the time to read my text. She's not

she's like I'm like I'm like that. But you know, but it's because I

agree, but in same time it's a perception that you have to try

to change to my way. Yeah, so that, as I like I

you say, like I you know, as it's not that that the people that they

me know to say what's what's what's they're, I'm a

so I'm so, you know, I'm not I'm, I'm not, I'm all the politician of enrobage

who wants don't rock the boat who they're in English, you know, I'm not that I'm,

I'm a entrepreneur, I'll tell I'll tell I, he, he, he,

he, he, I'm, I think he'd I'd describe my proches,

my friends, like someone of fonseor, someone who's original, and different, but he'd say not

that I'm Boudder so Pauley or in fact it's a time of time I'm doing I'm doing this

time see, because the people are to get to the other and they're really real this guy

that is really really real I'm really not, I'm coming from that I don't know, I'm not,

but there also the fact that it's an epoch that's it's a sometimes my team has

said shoory yeah but it's pretty yeah, but it's past it's pretty the subject

is lour if you there's there, there's there, who's

who's the same, it's the whole thing, it's a question, but I'm in my name,

there's always a face, when he's not a bit there's a bit a bit, so I'm not, so I'm not,

you know, I'm not to say, but it's not because the subject he's really not a

, it's not that, you know, it's so, it's so, it's a depends,

but, but, it's, it's many it, it's many in this, it's over

in this over the so, so what it what's It means for for you the

reality. It's fundamental that we ask the question as society. Is we can

live in the harmony, in the richness, if we confound the truth

and the question that? Why I pose this question that? Because it had to

the whole of the years, the doctrine to the Catholicism or the

There's the real and the faux and the even the universities if we're thinking

to think to the method scientific it's to get to the idea

that's you know you know you know you know they're exactly but

you're set to be an approach with a certain and a certain that's true, I'm that's verified.

And that's it's true in a system or an epoch where the true of the

real of are completely interchangeable And it's like, thank you to know, because I'm sorry to because I'm

in politics and I'm not not sure, but I'm not but I'm like I'm sorry I'm like if you're like

if you're like, if we're not there if we're trying to tend to the reality and that

and that the reality or the research of the nature nat might be

suppose we're not on a certain number of subject but but that you say that

I'd say that's I'm excuse the vocabulary but we we can't say here, there's a

right? We have a right to do I think to do you know what I'm when you're

to do you when the subject is living with honesty and the argument to the other other

is honest and there's a there's a little to get to the more, it's sure

that it will have of the general of the impact for the society and

the other that if the the manson is an equivalent of

the all the different just just the rapport of the more

the so the so the don't do not don't do of value. Yeah, but

there we we're talking in something profound, it's to say what is the morality of our society?

And is an morality can really survive? Or is it not the foundation of your

house who is in trying to cracker? Because we can have an entente and say,

it's it corresponds to 70% of what I want. Because we're not not used

to always to have the 100% when when you if you're 100, the other

it's not if you rest on your, I don't, I see I'm not 100%, it's, I think, I think, that already, if our

entendre corresponds to what I'm in business, but it's already that, that's there's a something, I

think, there's something, I think, in the difficulty to negotiate, to talk, to express, to noming what we

that makes, that the people, you know, there's a lot, there's a word that we have done there's

there's never, there. No, but in all the case, if we're to be able to to be in

the spirit that the things can't be not be falsified intentionally absolutely but what you

see you see that you talk about the commentaria but I'm because I want to be not to be

just in the actuality at the interview but I but I'm but I'm but I'm

but I'm but I'm it's probably it's if there there's there's too to sphere

where the price of the part is in fact a falsification relatively voluntary

in a space of a post of ultra partisanry in the clans I think that this affair that will

not flotter not long time it's, it's, it's not it's not it. So,

it's interesting, I'm an impression that we're going to have to a certain morality

or suaf of morality, sort of the relativism moral. It's that's all

that's the whole, and it's just the more that's the real of the way to do you know that's

it's a lot of that's the when we're looking, our children, and the future of our society,

to be deteriorate or have some symptoms of something that something that's not the only factor, but when we

when we're talking to research of the reality, it's it's actually to make to do something

to do something that's very spontaneous, who are not telegraphy, but I think really that you have

posed certain questions, and, we'll what's what's that's that's

we're in we're in talking about you know I'm going to see what I'm going to really about

really about the life the philosophy because it's as a philosophical when we when it's

a other problem it's for many of that in there's there's there's

like we're there's like we're in service yeah yeah and then and company

there's it's what your foundation of the house? But, you know, I don't know if it's all the social, but there's something that's not,

and I'm in talking with me, I'm a chance like you, to meet with you, to meet, many people, there's a question,

there's something that in the resenties. Okay. I think that we're all we're quite by the

exterior, just about, by the comments of the photos of what, what the other, and we have

the impression that we're not the impression that we're not in just, here's what I have what I feel like I'm

because you're because you're because you're need to be able to to get a if you're not going to the relationship

that's just to give an example I'm a I'm a community virtual that's called the Marri Club it's a

million of members that are all and it's a community and it's a community

there's a year a year a year and we're going to do a lot of members

and during the season regular, we're almost every every time. We've had every times.

And we're 250 the first time, and there are 1100 people who are doing. And we're

re-fait, we were so long time and we're re-of-and-a event, but all you know, the specialists

are saying, the need, to be the connection, connection with the nature, but it's really that,

it's the connection human, the connection with what we we're into the, and not with this universe

that, but you're not. You know, we, we, we've already had this connection

that. So we have more of easy to identify that we know of the reason. But imagine

a generation that has been constructed in your brain without these rapport that and how we have.

I have a book at the Rewired Generation, so the generation replugated, reprogramed

and essentially the argument of the thing, it's because if you you're exposed too

to the environment and that there's there can't that alter the construction

and the development of the It's terrible, because it's the base, it's the connection human. But I think that

I'm going to say, by the return of the morality, there's perhaps the word had been more to choose the return of the

humanism? Yeah, because morality, the humanism in the sense to, you know, not morality to give some

it's not. It can't make par the word morality. Yeah. No, I'm not

do you don't know in the sense that I'm not in the idea. It's not the word,

not the morality, not. Morality, it would say it's it's a kind of

religion, that's it can be humanism in the sense but it it's a capacity to

distinguish what is true of what the ability to want to want to get in contact with the other with a certain

it's like it's like it's like exactly and I think it's of that we're in that we're

there's some of the future that's completely but completely I'm I'm just

it's we when I part of that community that, it was for you know, I was for to bring to some of the specialists, a little bit of the

I'm going to do it's like to it's a lot of the connection to the other so that's when we're doing a theme

when we're when we're we're not not, you know, to say we're we're in all right? And the

people, you know, they're doing that, you know people, you're going to say if I'm in if I'm in Quebec, we're

there's a filet of security for me and it's that, I think that the MAD of the security are so much

runned grand that we say if there is a lot of what we're talking, you know, so I'm,

we're in the same, because there was there's more because we had more of the way that's working the way,

I think, the people who have access to the property, the people who are the people who are, the same, we know, we're

all the impression that's... The solitude to the person aged? Yeah, the solitude to the person

aged, it's immense. I've made many, I participated at these events just to reunire

of the persons aged, I've been a word of many of the cobers of the car, or they're

people who are in the new people who there's there to so you know, so I think there

a lot of in our society and there's a lot of the community I think, I think the

community is not quite a common in our society in our society in the pressure

on the pressure on those who have the service of primary line over people who have

really the pressure has really augmented more more than than But that's a great

response. They're there, they're they know, they know, the solutions. The solutions of these

people are really important in the decision. But I was I said, and I said, I'd say that we'd say,

they'd say, I'd say, well, if we're doing a government, we'll at a moment, we'll have at this

table that where is what you know, what you see, and we're we've, with the

contract, and the resources. They're doing a job exceptional. The people of the people of the people,

it's the people of the people, exceptional. Nive Ruge, Paul. What's he arrive on Rove?

Well, you respond, you have to choose three, you'll respond to a question, the same question,

the same, that's the one of the four? No, yeah, there's five, there's five in

five in three. So, like that, we're in? Okay, I'll go to read. So,

so, so, what's the pressure, you make the statute of moneer in the

soundage, if you your project of a piece is choo, accept you to be the PM of a

simple province? Ayah, it's a that's a friend that? Have you afraid of Donald Trump?

So, it's me who chose? Yeah. I'm I'm going to the last little

I'm not. I'm not post not. There's just one, the level of

a new it's he's called a rosh I'm, I'm not I'm not

want to want to talk I'm don't know I'm trying to don't know to do

don't know to do it and then and the space electoral Quebec so.

Perfect. Allons with, it's the that's the question. What's on the

position of the position of menor? There are two paliers. There are one that is evident,

the other the people don't realize not. The first is that on the

everyday, because you know, we're we're talking to depotette and of

the trick to demonize to be it's a few, the media social

are create a more than there was at the time where there's there's just

there's a question to do you know. The first is what you do you do you let's colling

some and it's not really, and if you replike, is that you don't know that's

that's a real pressure and it makes the work to have a way to to think

to make to make to be to be not much fun. D'u' the fact

that I've heard that we've the campaign, and that we can have a day by idea and by proposition, which is an environment in which I'm much more more than I'm

more than I'm sure. As I said, for the debate of the chief. Yeah. But the other affair, that the people

realize not when you're the chief of the party Quebec. It's that, I'm going to look at the data, and

try to understand what's going to ask, and I'm to pose some our next question, and the reality,

is that we're if you've ever If you look at the 10 years years you've never known a recule also rapid of the

culture Quebeccoise never knew no more a recule as rapid in all the ways to make you

can take the language at the house, you can take the language of cultural the language

to travel and it can't take niport to it. There are all sorts of

questions that's also on the question on the taut of fecondity

the the more bad of all the countries of the United. I'm

going to say it's probably related to the crisis of the because if you don't have to be in

a little little bit apartment, it's a little difficult to be visualise in trying to have the

marmai and we've had, I'm not not, I don't know not the politicians who

have said that I would be that I want to be not the whole I'd just

say, I'm not to make to me to me that's not the way or not the proprietor,

but there's maybe not the way and the space of having the children. It's a cut to have the other

I'm talking about with the young family, and they were there, there, there was a one of the family,

with who I had I'm would have not by choice, but by choice economic, you know,

he'd say to say, it's a way, it's going to say, it's something, when the

people, people, can't, they can't have an for the reason

economic. When you put the second pallier of the point of I'm

I'm not I'm sure I'm sure that I'm the 10th chief of the history of

the country that the country in the Quebec is not viable

at plenty of level at many of I'm not I'm not real and it's

not viable and there a party especially on the book linguistic and

cultural immigration again it's really intentionally by the federal, and I I think we're trying to

often the head in the sand at this level that. It's really that that's really that. So, sometimes I regard that.

I regard also behind me, all the people who are, there's a other pally at the pressure of being moneer.

It's the responsibility the responsibility to do have something for a trajectory that's not in the good sense.

The responsibility to be at the height of who don't, and who attend something something that people who

They say, Paul, I'd like to see the way to die. The number of people I'm doing all the time, when I do all the

point of when they want to talk, I'm always the call in video-conference. And it's all an other level of

responsibility. Some people who are, I've done my life to that and you give an story, and

they're going. That's a level of pressure. And the people don't because he I see the pressure

on a angle more classic to you're in you're doing to take a time and your life is really really bad

in course of that you're going to do you know, I've done, I've made the tour, I know that's a lot of

it's a more than it has been I'm not to make to me mean, and I'm saying,

oh, it's correct, the Quebec it's on where they there's not there's not there's

there's a there's been and they're doing or who don't and who are they're who are

who they're really to do you need to something that's a thing that

it's a important to be able to and it's a pleasure to be able to do it but I

have maybe not realized when I'm that it's also that this responsibility

that vis-sacability there vis a centen of millions of people of people

so so you there all that in the matter but I'm not

all. At the end up, we're doing at three. And then we have really to create a group of people

of people of people who have been there's always people who were the last time in the last year

when you were you're there's a period. I've had all done. First, first I'm

to understand, I'm sure that you have been that you've been able to be the next month of

an election, So, it's a resulta, there's a sentiment of being like to be

like, it's like to do you don't know, it's just nothing. When the adrenaline

comes, when the when the adrenaline comes, there's there's always a

period like that and you have to be not dramatize and say, it's not to say, it's a

moment to say, it's but it's sure that I'm sure that I were able,

and there the narrative very far it's, we'll be able never talk to

they're completely marginalised. It's a mal of us to know how much we're in the prophet of

malar who said that the PQ was vue to die he was born but he was not far at three.

Because you were seven before the election, it's that? No, we were... How many? You were

a ten? Ten, one. Ten, one. So, then you'd have been

more than you can't think in the general in the case, but you can not

think that's part-tant that it's going to be more. If you're going to if you're afraid at 11, you say we're going to finish at you. And then, and then, it's not the jackpot. No, but it's not a party reconnolly, it's not a part of course. No, it's not a part of it. It's not a great thing. So, you know, it's not a part of a kind of of a new age,

you know, Charlie Brown who's who's promen with a new age, but when you

look at the militants on party, your other candidates, is that you see, it's a point

to be, you know, when you say, okay, we're in the world, what's the thing,

but all these people are with me, yeah, but the PQ has a

military, very, very loyal, so they don't, don't, and we, and we're

and we're we're coming, and we're not a lot, it's not For the Party Quebecua, you know, it's... But we're brought it, and we've got... It's a pretty of courage,

it's a prey, it's a perciverance and the resilience. And the espoor. The conviction. Yeah, but the hope. The hope. Yeah. The hope that if you're rave, you're not imbecile to dream.

And that the things have been in the circumstances improbable, but that there are bellows and that they're in the best things are in. It's a bit fool. Yeah. But it's a belle

folly that you think that the world can go to make a risk that has been

impossible finally to transform in a great and so when we had been

our little moment of intronization at the Assembly National

and you just three, I'm I'm turned to Pascal Berubes

who had had been he had could quitted and if he had

I was going to, I think, he'd rest nothing, it was final, and he had to know, he had to be the far. And I said, you go to

see, we're making a lot of and a year, the list refleurirah. I've come made the prediction there's four

years that of something that had looked under the snow, would be a be able

little flower, that will just percy like the she has not been so great

than that she, she has been there she's been she, and she's, and she,

it's a don't percy the snow like you see in I'm in the list is the

Quebec it's not we're not movement and it's something to get to something I'm

I'm to make sure so I'm at this rendezvous electoral in this perspective

there there there's a pressure and it's normal it's correct if we

if we're if we're if we're we're if we're with the pressure and you're

ready to pay the price and it's a other aspect of our society,

on which I think I think you think you think it's pen chaper diame. And then I'm

never it's given yolo. In gross, what said said all that's live in the present,

and maximise your bonner now. And it's been worse because there have in

plus that you want to be your own time. Hey, my money now, hey,

my my my assiet and my time and tell voyage when it

when it doesn't I'm my best life. Yeah. The problem with that, is that the

quest of sense, the things that are beautiful demand these sacrifices. You can't. We're talking of having an

child. It's tough to have to have some of the kids. Yeah.

But all that has of the sense has a coefficient of difficulty and

demand a sacrifice and a don of so. If we resumed our

life to simply Yolo the present, there There is also an on the end of

that's to be for we're there. So I go back to the politics

and to the responsibility and at the power of the responsibility, you have to be ready

to pay the price in the life. And it's not grave. The

suffrage or the sacrifice or the don't of what depending on how

degree, that, it is not a problem, it's not an issue if we pursue

something that has due sense for we're not all the same response but there's a

sense but there's a question to get a an question an direction exactly it's a

leader to have that's a it's a it's a conviction have a price

yeah the convictions and there yeah there really there really there's really but I

think to diminish the fear of the price and the don't

to see because at this moment that you to open the door to live these

things extraordinary and to and to be to pursue something which we're instinctivelyly. And the

response of the person is the difference is I'm, the way I'm sometimes I'm even what I'm to do you

to pursue the country of why? You know, you're not a call to and then, and other

will pursue these projects of all to be able to when you PQ at the point to you,

you've made that in the state in the party Quebecoe at the moment that,

I think they're pre to all. Yeah. For real, It would have been some it.

It was a problem. It had some it was a quest of sense detached of present and the

fear of the power of the actions. The Buddhists will say what is what is important

is the way, it's not yes you give an objective but profit of your

because if you attain not the objective you you'll have the

part of the whole that's the Narciss and Goldmund also. That's important. The quest

is in a cause a component of the privilege of being vivant. And it's

very much, I love I mention it I don't know when I did reference to caboy fringant

and those etoels philent. It's a song Quebecoise that we call

our character quite very very, very rapid. You know, a twillade flint it's really

And the Our life, our life, is belle and being a little bit. So, the quite

there's the sense, I'm never to give you see a in orbit than that

that's, but it but it's but demur but it's there's

there's there, I'm I've made a choice on the pressure and the

status of monor and what's that it's impact of quality of

life, because it's that we're not that's the my life my life was not

a lot I'm not, I'm ready to pay the price, and I know there's there's

there's a few and so, I'm not the last a year a life carpede

yolo of maximization of my being and it's a choice that I've made.

And you want to do you know, I'm a cocece to what

Paul? As being an an an an an

old mother of a father in politics, try to have a little moment of pleasure with your

family, that's not by Zoom, you know, it's not a little little little little

little bit of some of the sport, I'm like, who's that's the sport, I'm going to we have some

baseball and hockey in cuisine, it's these ball of tennis, but we connect when when you know,

for my more young is the cachette eventually, it's at three years. But it's in the

sport that that I I think we'd try and we've we started an interview with that. That it occupied also for me a sphere of

disconnection. And when it it's a lot or sometimes when I'm discouraged, I'm saying, well I'm

at least I'm at them. And in campaign, it's even if it's an hour surcharged. Yeah,

but that's tough. The campaign it's too much. But it's but it's that,

but what will happen is that, they're going to be to be mobile for connect with me

in the So I've already a plan. Ah, but that's important. In fact, I'm going to decreted of the

family. And so I'm going to make an announce because we have quite quite a question to not get to

get a day. And then I know, I know, I know, you know, you're going to go to get to a car, at the

can't know, a can't know, today, today's my family. And I'm, and I'm going to be

to be able to do it, and it's, it's, it's part of the reflection that I've to arrive to that's how

How can I have just a BOO? Where is we are good, and we're doing and that's it exists, and then you can't

get to be able to get to be like, something, something to make, wow, Papa is trying to do that, you know,

it's great what you do you know, it's great, so for your children, that you know, that's, I mean,

one of someone, there was someone that had said Angela at at the school, but in my mom my mom,

my mom, you know, you're, you're, you're obligue to me to be able to She was able to be able to be.

And look at that, you're not, you're not to have been able to tell you, well, it's so. You know, it's like, she's like, she, she, she, she, had been too petite, but she had, come back with the conviction

to say, well, no, it's, it doesn't know what what's what it's, what it's going to say, she'll be to let me find out, but, especially to

it's like, it's like, it, it's, it's like, I'm perhaps something today. Oh, yeah, because,

I had, I, I had, I, I've, I've, experience, and I've lived in a certain fear of them expose to something that could be

but if you mean, you know, what you've seen, is that it's been that it's a contextualize and it does because at least they they're not not being out of that?

But not do you. He was part of the group and, you know, like the guard reproached, they were there, he'd know, he'd know there something of beau, you know, I've been hospitalized long, long time,

and when my more younger, to be in the hospital, all the people thought it would be a drama but the people are the day they'd

give a gelo blue you know, you know, what she'd retenet is what color my gelo today,

it's not, mom, she'd alit because she had a little to be connected, to be close. Yeah,

but it's always I think, to get in the world of the merveiment of the infance and how we get,

it's also because an campaign, it's difficult, and to have when we're all, I've just

conned that with some, I just conned that force to get to to get to their level of their level

of their mind, and to say, okay, the life is not just that, the way, she's a

in their, she, we've got, you know, we've got, you know, your children,

continue to live, and you have celebrated their life at the campaign, and that's

important to say, we're putting on put on on the thing, it's very

interesting, it's like, you know, we're, we're doing, we're, we're doing, we're doing,

We'll say that. We're doing this. But we're doing, like, finally, but we're going to, oh, okay. But it's because... I'm going to start from here with these

answers. Well, look, their life continue. You can't, it's like you're in a campaign, it's like you put all on post

for the campaign, but the life of the children continue. So it's important to celebrate their, their,

their, their, their, their, their, their life to be their life to end up 40 years

it's not, it's not, they'll be they'll never that, but we can't, it's just that They're going to happen

and it's going to be in a bus it's probably that's what you know, it's how you know, they're going to live

this way, if we're doing it if they're a drama, it's that's going to be there to be a clint of some point

when they're going to see in the campaign when they're in the action. Thank you very Peter Plamondon

I'm very very content of this and that and that that's a campaign that be at

the heart of your attend, because it's for me electoral in 2020. I think it's courageous.

I could not say the contrary. So, good courage, Paul. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.