Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - Ruba Ghazal | Ouvre ton jeu en mode électoral avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

Ruba Ghazal, Porte-parole de Québec solidaire (QS)« Il y a une vie après le deuil de la maternité, puis une belle vie! »Dans le cadre de cette série spéciale « Ouvre ton jeu en mode électoral », Marie-Claude Barrette reçoit les chefs des principaux partis politiques québécois à l’approche de l’élection du 5 octobre 2026.À travers les questions d’Ouvre ton jeu, on découvre ce qui les a amenés à s’engager en politique.━━━━━━━━━━━00:00:00 Introduction00:07:15 Cartes vertes00:41:53 Cartes jaunes01:06:42 Cartes rouges━━━━━━━━━━━L'épisode est également disponible sur Patreon, Youtube, Crave et les plateformes d'écoute en ligne.

Hello, everyone, welcome to Open Your Open Your It's a special electoral, we're called it Uvretton

on mode electoral, we've asked the invitation to five chiefs, they've been very fair

of that. We have have to get more, so I'm modify a bit the view of

the level of questions, it's of personal, the level young, they're all all right,

they're all things, in fact, it's, it's, it's, in fact, it's,

and the questions to understand more more their conviction, the in-geous that's

they want to make the front. And in the fact of the objective, is to have the plus

to go to get to get to maybe it's maybe it might be able to know more than

someone and say, but these ideas me touch because what is important is to

get to end on on the 5 October. We have this chance

that to be in a society where the democracy prim and we

are all all the right to vote. If you emitters

after the open your open your I'll say it's all if you're for the moment of the

moment of irrespectue we're going to get ridier because I think you have a deba unbatch

we can debate these ideas sanement without being obliged to denigree the other and be

obliged to go there you have to be poli you have when we

when we do it we do it's important also to debate we have the right

to not be very in but we're in many more, we make these arguments and like

so your comments are and you're and it's that you're so that we're doing. So,

today, I'm here Ruba Gazal. She is member founder of of Quebec Solidair.

She is deputies of Merci before the 1 October 2018. She's

also she's co-port of Quebec Solidare from the 16 November

24 and they have 11 depute present at the

Assembly National. So she it's on here, place at Rubah Gazale.

Well, good, is really a pleasure, is we're on the same, we know, I'm not,

I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm not, and more, you know,

would have been to be the to see, the same to be part of the family, too. Okay,

we're in the same, thank you, to be seeing me receive Mary Clone, I'm, I'm happy,

I'm sure, I'm sure, the co- and then, the co-receue, the co- Now, Yibar, you do it have to be brawere? Ideally.

But, no. At the hour? No, but here, yes, there are some people who pleur, but it's not the sweat. Because, I think, interview with someone who pleur is it's quite difficult.

You know, it's for the to, that's, it's like, the propos, the questions, we're going to it'll be there. But it's difficult to do you to have an interview when you're too of emotion.

But when it's arrive, we let's all the things. Because I think that, sometimes, in our society, to be heard

and here there's a there's a there's a so we're there's not to hear to say,

we're doing things that's and it's a lot of it's like to your own it's a question, it's very,

it's that I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm when is that you're going to see, when I'm

know, it's like, it's already, and he's what's the thing, it's the human and that,

it's just humanists, it's human, you go to you go and you're an It's incredible. It's true.

It's true. It's true. It's not that I'm not saying that I'm not saying I'm not sure, but I'm not I'm not sure

I'm not you know, you know, you know, you're in politics. Yes, it's sure. I'm sure. I'm not. No, no, no,

it's sure. And the beauty of the democracy, you know, often the people say, oh, well, let's go,

let's all the transpartisanry and I'm, and I think on certain dossier, by example, the violence conjugal,

the dossier, with who are with who's with the people who don't know with the policy with that,

it's very that we have that we're in front of transpartisani but at a moment of a time,

all the time to be in the country in the people are all the world, you know,

it's a question, it's a different vision of the world and to value

also that we're not not sure, it's not that can't that say it's been debates, it's

there's discussions. And, sometimes we have some necessarily for you're to convince of something. Just it's sane,

it's sane, and it's simple, and it's not made to listen to get to the end up, and to listen to the arguments, to understand the

other, and in function of their value, to get to to turn to one or the other. I think that

that's, that we're not all the whole people and we're like to talk to talk, to talk,

I'm the impression that with the social, the discussion is more difficult, but we, but we have encore

that to Quebec, a society that is capable of dialogue and to discuss, malgrisation extreme, so you have to conserve that, I'm also there and it's not saying

that we're all the entire. Well, in fact, as you know, is it safe to always be in accord? No, it's a

democracy. It's not, it's a, it's a diversity of point of view, a diversity of, you know, of solutions.

DeFonds, sometimes we can be in accord on the consta, not on the solutions. DeFois,

not necessarily on the consta, it's rich, I think it's enriches. And I'm not, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not sure, you know,

in our course of philosophy or secondary, democracy, and, you know, we're like, we're like, I'm like to, because I've been in a country where there

no democracy. Voted, it, it, it existed not, before I'm in the time of I've got the right to vote, but for my

parents, the exercise democratic, it's, it's, it's a, so, so,

so, I'm, so, so, so, it's precious, the democracy, and the society in the world we live.

I don't of what we have in the Quebec of what I have received to Quebec for Aki because I've

lived in the Emirah Arab Unis where it was the sultan, it was a emir, the emirah

Arabune and it's he's he decided, and you pay not of tax, you pay you pay you not

the impo, it's so you de nothing at the state, the state you'd have nothing,

you're and you work and you do you do you do anything so, so that's

for that I think that that's precious to Quebec, because I know what's their value. Yeah, you're well placed.

Yes, I'm not not that for acquis. I'm not absolutely. Is that you ready to open your Yes, yes, yes, I'll open my show.

No, I'll tell you, there's the level of ver that are these questions personal, that are the real real the level

I've made a special because you're all the chief who's all right to call power, it's these mis in

situations. So, all the month, the five, you have the many in situation. The level rose,

it's in link with your convictions political, the end up, and what is that you're a jokeer. If you're a true question going too long,

it's not too to answer, you put on the table, and I can't use, how many times? One way. Okay.

But, sometimes I'm always, it's never to say two times, but I'm not not quite.

But, but, but the true, the precious, it's, it's just, the question, it,

it's, so, you choose the questions, we're in democracy. You see, you do do with the

choice. It's magnificent. So you go to bracer the cards, you're in five.

And I'm not in the brushage of Yeah, but they're they're made gross, because

they're doing it's a because of the camera, we're trying that's more more complex. I'm really

well braced. You're I don't five. I'm I'm done five.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, like that. Yeah. I'm I'm N-apporteur

it's the hazard. Thank you. Thank you. And now, I'll read the five questions,

Ruba. It's exciting. It's interesting. It's interesting. I'm, I'll tell you to read. You're

to have to ask a one, and after you have to have to respond. Okay. So,

okay, so, well, I'm made to you, but I want

to try to let do, what is your big complex, where

your sense of the engagement how constituted your life with the political

what's what is you're in vulnerable and have you have you have you

are really good I'm really good I'm I I'm I'm

I'm I'm the sense of my engagement yes honestly honestly

I'm you know I'm of a family who doesn't know the political, who has

always had always a part of the politics, for them the politics is the gas, it's the conflict,

and I'm talking about in my name, the people, the people, we're going to

be the movie, we're going to be a family that's a family that and then sometimes I

mean, it that's so that's why, it's been I'm my own my own mind,

it's got to my parents, my parents are can't even inculke, many, many,

that I'm am made to me to me engaged politically. You know, when I was young, I was at age, I was 16 years, I had not the right of vote,

I'd like all right, I liked a lot of politics, I'm talking about my parents, I'd listen to, many people, because it was interesting, and even I remember very well in the

1990, Kim Campbell, you know, I'm not conservatrice, in my values and all, but because there a woman, and I remember to the course,

at the chaffery, where Jean Charray was there, I remember of that, I had not the right, I'd read, and there were all the debate,

and there was a other, monsieur, I don't remember not, it's who in the debate, I'm talking about my parents, because I'm

that, and what's that's the time, I'm attiree, I'm certain if it's just three monsieur or four of, is it?

Is it that it would be able to that? Probably, it probably, it's not without my

encounter, it's not like that, it's going to be able to the possibility, I'm still, I'm still,

but it's just that it's just that it's just that it's just that it's demarked to make, it's just it's a

naturallyly, so it's woman, the representativity feminist, I'm not there in, it's just attire, and I looked at it, and I'd like that, and I'd be in the other woman also who, in the years of 90,

without willing, I mean, you know, I'm not doing it in politics, that, that, who was really, it was Francoise David. I'm a interview of Frances with Jeanette Bertrand. I think it was at Tele, Quebec, I'm not that she had in

mission, where she had after the march of the Pines and the Rose in 1995. I'd say, it's I mean, sometimes I've many times, but this moment I was in the

stall of my parents, and I was an interview that. And it's really about what she said,

it's not about the values of justice, of equality, and all that. So, it's sure that this youngess,

that had seen, there was also, there's a person, I'm attire, I'm trying, that,

Mario, is I'm not quite cute. I'm remember very with my seurs. We've got

very much the on the cell, I remember, we were and I'm looked, and I'm

I was cute. He had that also, so it's, so it's so I'm always

a but I'm going to be my parents, even if they didn't know the political without

their own and they valorized a lot of the model Quebecoa. It's that's like,

wow, you know, you can be an infant of an important where,

of any where you, to have at the school public, gratuit and to the

years, it was considered like, it's considered as the quality. But in many time you

But we'd but that the politics had an influence in a lot of things, the regime

political. With the comparison of what your parents did, with the before and

now, what's that few of have been having there was there was that would be

to say, okay, it's a difference just in my school, you know,

totally that, that I'm I'm America, Arab, Uny, like I'm

paid not imp, we didn't have a My father was like a employer extranes

temporary. So there there's a line, like he had been in his employer, he quit the

country, it's like that's like that he's like he's a office in a agency of which is

certainly that exists certainly more today. And so they're the, the values

who are the values who are in particular of the filet social that exists and I

mean of a family kind of the class medium, easy, I say. My father

had been in, there had had been a place of a st. Tuberr, on a old old

so that's an entrepreneur, a businessman, the family met the hand at the pat, and had

worked for the family, it was very, very important. The autonomy financial, it was fundamental but,

I had the impression that my parents were too in their little life, a security

economic, they'd they'd not too more large than that, but I think today, since I saw it, they've been inculkeyed

these values of partage, we're more privileged we, we've got we don't can't, you know, we've got to take conscience of our privilege,

and also the fact that we've been to come to Quebec, so I've been a lot of my family who are left in the Liban,

the refugees are Palestinian, my family is Palestinian, the majority are refugees to Lebanon. There are people who live well, in this moment

the situation is difficult. D'O. Other, it's a lot more difficult. So, my father they're doing many people. I'm an impression they've been

inculkey the values of the engagement, even if they didn't like the politics. And I'm parted with that, it's the

constat that I'm inspired, like, for example, Francis David, very, very young. And why your parents

have chosen the Quebec? That's extraordinary. At the time, we're at the end of the in the years of the

80, or in the years, and he wanted to give us to give us to give a stability, because we

know we could not do our life for always to be able because the university not accessible for us.

He had to return, like other members of my family, who are there's always there's always there's still

there's still instability to the Liban, so he wanted to we're the pay,

the pay of the peace, and there an endro there's a place for

there, and there had had a time of a lot of people of people of people of

people who had at Toronto Okay so that's all over Canada so I'm

in my head the Canada it's so Toronto or because my part

at a moment I'm in the little we're on we're

sitting three feet at the one of there's there's a five

here you're a my name me and I'm on we're on

there's there's Toronto or Montreal. And then at Toronto, it's there's a American, we're

there, more than more that's more than more than there's more what he said it's saying, it's a

language and French. And then, I, you, I'm we're saying, well, learn an

third language, you know, we're talking the Arab, we're going to learn the English, and the

French, but it's extraordinary, it's a great richness, we're to

to go to go to to Montreal. I remember of this conversation and we had no, we have no, we have no, I'm not a

French, no, I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm not and I remember when I was when I was very, very

pretty, when I was there, we had these many Libanan, and there there was a lady

there was, a man when I had heard on the telephone, I was impressioned,

I'm, I'm, I'm, impressioned, because I always thought that the French,

it's a language chique, you know, my parents are Palestinians, the Palestinians, even if they've lived in the

Liban, they're more Anglophone and they're going to we're not not going to but when I heard it

in French, I thought that chic, I thought it very young I was not in Quebec, I've always

had an attireance for the language French that I thought chic and you know

very class. Now you're here here, I'm here here and we have chosen the Quebec

sincerely for the French not not not not not to do ,

at all the debate linguistic. Not to do it's a question. It's just a richess.

I'm sure to say my parents have chosen the Quebec for the French after a discussion

familial. And so we arrive to Quebec and it's going to get in a class of a class of

for, to learn to learn to learn in a New New, you know, at Montreal. We're

in a year to be a two years, and after that we're to be all over and my

parents I have been always, in the house familial at Laval. And I've made my school

school in the school public. And at a moment of my parents had been the time to go to the

time to go to private, is that I go to public? And it was not also far, the private

the public. And I remember very well, my mother, she said, no,

we've been in for the education, the education of quality gratuit, you're going

to go to the school with all the school, and it was the five children.

But when had I was arrived at Quebec. There also, it's a moment marking for me. We're in the year.

And in September, at the return, I'm in a class of a class of a class of the UNU, of the

children who came to be there I'm afraid, I'm worried, I'm sorry, but I remember there was a little girl

that was she went to to origin Armenian, she'd come to bring to the right

and I'm saying, you know, I'm not that I'm not that I'm not to play, you

but I'm a little bit inquiries because we were not a language and it's like that I'm trying I'm afraid I'm doing I'm afraid

in this class that of an school primary at Montreal at St. Laurent in chanting Felix Lecler and listening

Pace L'Clau was in 1989 had to deced at the year where we're there was an name thematic

on Felix LeCler but I knew it's who Félix LeCler I had no I didn't know that I was not who you

never, I saw it It had nothing. I had just that we'd chanted, it was a little bonner, that I remember again today, all these songs, there were his photos everywhere, and we had used,

he had written some of the count for the, on the, the count of talking about, you'd say,

to come from, the kind of of things, so you're in the same time? You're, in the same time. At the

prentzage of the language, you'd, you know, the history, the history, the culture, we'd

I did you do you're going to go to the book. I had not to get to get because I didn't where's the thing I'm going to

after that in the salon of the book, I don't know what's what my parents my parents, I know if they're

even not if they're not going to get to say the reality. But it's really we've made a school at

school in a salon of the book, I had encountered an author, the author, I was saying,

my God, you know, for me, someone who is someone is an inaccessible. Well, he was there

before me, Robert Sullyer who had written in the court scale. I remember a little again of the moment of the

moment that that's very very much the time that's not in my class of the year,

it would be these authors. These moments are markant for me more than what more than what more than

my years to Cegepe and party yeah, I'm at the at the time

it's an it's an apprenticeship it's also I see I see I see if it's

I'm me to say because as I'm not there's a moment where you say,

okay, there I'm okay, I'm not quickly, I do often that it's that it

when it's not a day it's a shock cultural, it's normal. And we, we know,

we're I'm very, very attached to my origins, Arab, you know, I'm

I'm very much, large, Arab, because of the language, and I remember

that in my I used in French, some of some of Arabic, but traduished the Arab

I've conserved my Arab, I've conserved my primary, I'm not practised

again, but I'm in my family at the house, with my sisters. So it's

important to understand my history. I've I've got to the

different on the history because I didn't I'm didn't finish

this apprenticeship that in the same that I to learn Quebecwase.

And it's important to guard our origins, you know, solid, to know where we know, to find, to add up culture.

And the two, after that, we're in the culture Quebecuase and my culture plus Arab, Palestinian.

And I think that's not a day we're a day, and we say, I'm going to be a Quebec I'm not.

I'm not not really to be able to the construction of my identity, Quebequoise is made in the

fact, and it's in the calm, in the deba constitutional I'm a little

I'm afraid of all the people are not to find out but I'm I'm sure I'm curious I'm curious

very interested very interesting in 1995 I had 17 18 years I had not 18 years I'd have

18 years I'd have 18 years I was I'm very observatrice and I thought that

fascinating and it's later that I'm after I'm there was like the Cinerobotek I

remember how they're not how they call it, but we have not, I have not an

internet, we have not the site of the internet accessible on the telephone.

And I all I'm all right the film there's Pierre Perra Groh, I've

all I've got to I'm, I've had to all the UNF on the

history of Quebec, and it's been like an history, it's an history

that we were with people in charred in os for to understand

all, it was there, but there we were, I was at at the CEP University.

I was going to I'm going to see the end of a few times to look at you're really made a thing to

naturally, to comprehend the culture, it's like a psychology, yeah, exactly. The Quebec who's been

the mine, you see, yeah, it's that, you're going to try, you're going to try, you're

trying to the racine, and you you're arachin in the same time. 100% and it's

it's been it's been my history naturally and and, and, you know,

I, you know, I'd example, because it's difficult to understand. I've written, I've written this process. Yeah, it has to place some of the paper. Yes, it's absolutely. It's also a therapy in the same time.

And it's for the people who are curious, who do, don't, how we've become Quebecois? We're not Quebecor, we're doing, we're doing, I'm, it's my case. And, you know, in the class of ackeye, our professor, Jill, he said, I have a chapet on the class of Mr. Gill, who

who said, go to and there's there was there's a there's a way, so it's a great time,

I'm going to all the time, I'm going to everything, you know, I was done more old I was over for pass-partout

but I knew what he's saying, I'm a good way of learning a good way to learn the French,

and at a moment of a time in the jingle the beginning in the pastpartoo that we know all,

I try to they're trying, they're they're sometimes in different languages, there one it's

in Arab, I'd in the salon, I'd capote and I'm and I'm

a lot of I think it's I'm in front all right I'm doing the jingle of pass-parto in Arab

I'm saying I'm 48 and I'm so it's that uny like, it's two culture

and it's it's a too, it's a so that's like that I'm so that's like I'm

but it's but it's by the emotion, it's by the history it's by by these

experiences human that we've become Quebecois, by Mr. Gill, past to all the people who

he said, and he said that I'd know what I'm doing so much by my prof, by the film

that I've that I've got when I'm that I'm that I'm going to that's a but I'm but I'm

I'm going to watchatatatau and I'm I'm sure that it's not the same thing that at the business

but there were the things that were the same You know, to your parents, they like that, it's like that, it's the

process of that's the process of normal, but you're also, it's different other things,

it's not, you know, at the time, you go to see, by the experience human that's there's been

there's not a line right, and I, I'm not a, acuey, it's like that I'm

came up, and then, and then, and then, then I've read the book for the people,

who are more in contact with the person who is suld of the people, who are

to know how it's how it's this process that to be a American and then also for the

young issued of immigration for the little rubas who are there today and I'm the Quebec

is to come to come to do it and then to come political I'm playing

the time I'm it's over the and it's so it's like that's so that's so I'm

that's I'm heard you I'm we're trying there's there's a film

Rue and it's after a projection of some film with many people of people and

she's we're doing we're doing we're doing when they're when they they're they're

they're in a cell like a car of the world I'm in the chare of Poole

and all the people they're they're applaudis their arrival they're they're

they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're

they're he would have spoken any point a language a language a language martian,

we'd have learned in arriving just like that and he wanted to say, we'd say, we'll say,

he'd have done whatever, he'd say, what's in our culture, we're, we'd be able to

that because there would be humanit. Ah, I'm the chair of just to

talk to it. Yeah, it's a great, but Kim, Tui when she

she's like she, it's like you, it's passionate. Oh, my dear, you know, I invite everyone who

who have not view the film to watch because the accue is made to be in a way

to be in a part of family he's bad to do the things of that's not a lot of

but it comes to and I'm that that I'm that I'm and I'm like a

my book my book you know between the Quebec I'm between the Quebec I'm I'm sure

I'm 100% Quebe those, the patriots it's my Ancite but in

the Palestinians, the people Palestinian what's who's it's also for me

there's there's not there's difficult to explain for someone but it's that you

don't know with that I'm I'm in the I'm it's even not here it's in the

vent it's it's of the emotion and and it's so the two

I'm so I'm so for when I'm when I'm in my family very young

there's there's there's there's there there's there's there's

there's all the people. They say, yeah, in Quebec it's like about,

by example, by example, to the question national. I'm a independent to see, I'm sure.

And I'm I'm sure the way, the time, for my family, and I need to

do more to do the that's a 40 years, but when I'm in when I'm

the same thing, and it's the same things, the friends, the people, the people, we're what,

what's what, what's what, what's what, what's what, see, why? After that, I'm with my friends, or some people who are people who are who are here, I'll say, de

same, who, you know, I'm not, you know, I, I explain, what's what, you know, I'm saying, why it's not really, you know, sometimes, you know, these things things, you know, I don't know, why it's not, you know, I'm asking,

I'm asking as much questions than you, so, it's like, it's like, it's like, I'm able to talk, the, you know, and to make this traduction cultural, that. It's beautiful, and you do it, And I think that this tradition cultural, I'm not the sole at the affair. We're going to, what we call, what we're saying, the Law 101, at the affair.

Exactly. Well, I don't know. I see if you were to ask you. My question that's why I'm choosing, what is the question that's what you're not vulnerable? Um, you know, I'm sorry to say, you know, because it's on a cuckoo, you, because that all the people think that, you, well, I'll say, uh, I'm going to go to you know, I'm going to go to personal. Because I'd say, like, like, it's not, you'll be able to go, person.

For I'm for I'm trying to I'm sorry. You know, I'm I'm sorry

I'm trying I'm trying to I'm I'm in and we can't not do the work that I've got a

without a confidence and he has an ego and maybe maybe he can be

vulnerable and I try to to minimis counter that it's when we judge, without having

said, without having anything to and that's acol, these etiquette on me, you know,

I feel like a feeling of injustice. And what's what's that? You know, because I'm because I'm the poor

a little more fronced, because I have a non-bizor. You see, that, sometimes, in a while?

Well, and, you know, and, you know, I mean, I'm, maybe,

I mean, I'm question, Sometimes I'm question. Me also, I question some, you know, I'm asking some of, you know, I'm sure that the women can't do, now, you know, we're a firm, Prime Minister.

I've been extremely proud, even if we're not in the same party, to see, it's crazy, I mean, it's, it's a fool, in, you know, when we're saying, wow, we have a family

at the head of a party political, and, and, sometimes I'm, and, do you know, if we, we also, we have, we have been conditioned to have

a certain type of leadership, maybe more now, and, you know, to be judged on what I'm more than what I think for real.

And when you say it's not you're in being, what's the thing? It's a mean, I'm going to,

I'm saying, no, it's not true, to me, to be, to be, to get to

get that. You're not to let's be able to let's see when you know, you know,

you know, but the fact I'm just you're just like, incarnate what I know what I see what you're

to prove what you're prove. And it's a apprenticeship that I've done that I think that I think it's a problem I'm in political

in 2018, I'm in fact a new, and it's a apprenticeship that's that's a question, but you know, that the people

judge what I'm a cause of an history, a cause, you know, I'm an origin Palestinian, so all right we think,

we're doing, so we're doing, that's, we're, we're like that, you're like that, you're like so,

you're like so, you're like so, what's what you're what you're, what's what you're what's what's, what's, what's, what's,

what's, what's, the party political that's so I'm going to be, and then you're categorized,

it's, it's, it's, it's, is it, is it, is it, but it's,

it's a little , it's true, it's true, it's right, exactly, it's so, and then, then I'm

to say, you, I'm not , you know, to be just, to be just, to do things, to do, to do what,

to do, to do what, to do you, I'm, I know who I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not

I'm in there and the end people are if I'm doing if I'm doing if I'm like that is the time

the people come to be the people who have made also to say to say, I know, I see,

you know, it's to have been defined who it's clear for you because you know sometimes it's

sacralise of things it change the done and me it's been you know I had

some intention, and for the rest, it was not a manifest political. You know,

I've written the book, it's personal I'm informed the party after the party.

And all of it's important for me that's important for that's personal, that's about that's about me,

and also of my chominement political, obviously, because it has been part of

but after I'm made sure that I, I'm said, oh, yeah,

I've not the intention to to say, but it reveal something. It's also

a book on the research of the liberty. You know, my liberty as a woman,

and I know I'm like I'm in a country, and not not in other country,

because I know that I can live my life the more possible. And that's a privilege.

You know, I say that I'm not not the democracy for acquis, I'm not what we

have as a woman for to see, I'm from a

family pretty conservative very open at different levels, but when they're arrived at the Quebec, it's a little conservative

they're quite for us, they're they're afraid for us, they want to be very much, they're doing, they're much more relaxed,

obviously for me, for me, my nieces, but it's been important for me to be free. The liberty financial,

it's always something important, to be able, to have my proper choice, and it's also the liberty, it's so,

like a woman, the liberty of a country, you know, I've seen I'm trying that it's a life on the liberty,

that's a value fundamental for me, very, very important, and it's precious for me to be able,

individuallyally, it's important, and I see that I have the privilege to be able. And you have seen

a year that it's not possible? Ayer, it's not possible. You've you've known

also that. Yes, you know, or, maybe it's it's, maybe it's, And also, it's a

liberty because I'm privileged. There are other people who are not as liberal that I'm not as liberal as I'm as because what is important with the liberty,

there are some conditions to the liberty. I've always had always used some good salary, a good revenue, I've not known the malady,

I've been of a milieu very protectorer. You know, I talked also all I wanted to talk

to the vulnerability to say in the in the there's not, you know, the there's There's been

there's There's been But for For fair, For fair For far some chimes We're doing We're doing

Yeah, And then I'm Yeah, and I'm Yeah, And then I'm With my family. People have Not been

Not been Not been Not even Yeah, I'm I'm saying I'm It's really How much?

How do you Reague, your When you're When you're When you're When you're When I'm I'm already

In 2007 And 2008 It's It's a long It's a long time. And so, I did, I feel I was doing, you know,

in the party, and my father, and I said, T'A, well, you part, you part, the five, two weeks of time, in plus, to your job, and then I said, your wife, you let's, all, you know,

to go to see my parents soup, and then, all that, you're even not paid, you know, I'd say, to what, it's all, and he'd not so, and he

didn't know, and in 2018, when Amir Kadir Kitt had, he wanted, he wanted, I said, Rubba, is you come to

in my place in the county of Mercii? And then I remember the first person with which I know about

my mother, and my my mother, I'm saying, no, no, no, no, because imagine you do the things, and we're going to

be critiqued. She, she has a very fear. It's that my family, it's not, it's not,

to be to not to be able to the room, to not derange the people, to not derange people, when I'm

to talk of the Palestine on on my social, she's why you're why you're not,

not, talk about that, you're going to talk to talk to talk to other things, you know,

it's not good for you. So it's a confrontant for them? Yeah, for them, it's,

it's confrontant and I, they're preserved also, you know, my mom she says, she'll

read the comments and I'll read the comments, I say, I say, read not that and then

there's some, you see, it's, it's, you know, my parents, they understand

the and then, you know, they're there, you know, there's the issues

that's not, so it's a good, it's a good school my family because I'm very, because I'm

if you're if you're sure, it's like you know, it's like your own, it's like your if you're saying,

why you know, why you know, why you, you know, why you, you know, it's excellent that, and then

I'm saying, okay, it's right, we don't have not been clear, we'll have to talk we'll have that we're

going to have to explain that we're so that's like it's like it's like it's like it's like my mom

I said, I said, I'm saying, you're saying, that's probably impossible. for the parents, it's practically impossible, that. For the point, you know, one of the questions, is that I'm making of money? I'm not going to, but I've had been to be there. But I've had some moments, you know, where is that,

I never, never, I've demanded an agent to my parents. The security financial, the financial, the Fierty, it's very, very important. And, you know, I'd work and all, and I did make my way, it's very important.

And my father, you know, it's always it's, that's when you're when you're a salary, it's correct, you know,

because you're correct. But, but because I, I'm like the impression when you're like, you're like, in a new place, you know,

you're doing refas all the repair, you and thenceirmation I think that your parents have to know to know you've got to have to be afraid

you're going to be you're thinking of you're doing you know, you know, for these parents and in plus you're not

you're not, you know, what's what we're in trying to do you know, you're doing this question that all right,

all right, even now, run to my parents, I'm saying, wow, it's been wow, it's been

awesome to do it, we've been four men, to come with this family that,

it's a risk enormous for these people who are like my parents and after So, my father, he is all right in a affair.

He has invested at a moment, he had to buy a old magazine. I remember these nui that he'd

not, because for him it's a risk financier, if the affairs not, my parents,

my parents, they've known, when they were in the last, my dad, he had to get to be in

America, Abuny, because it had like he had come in a lot, but you

didn't, but you didn't, it was fundamental to us to usure ,

You know, often my past, not the who's the person, but his way to say that he's to say, it's to say,

is to talk to finance? Have you made enough of money in your time? Now, today he's

not, but when you get more young, it's very important. It's like that for

he says. It's kind of, but it is very paternal also. Yeah, it's to be sure

that all but he's inculkekees that, well, you've had been in education

financial. Yeah, oh, yeah, totally. I'm going to I'm going to HEC in gestion,

in accountability, because everyone was everyone was content in my family. My father, my regard to me say,

wow, it's not really made for your personality. I'm too extrovertis for being comfortable.

And after that, it's, it's always served, to be good things, you know, very reasonable,

very granded. That, that's, my education and my family. Yeah, and that

I'm in politics, that's important. But, but it's that's like a base important.

Yes, because what the people do see, the adjutant what we're

doing, the ideas, the propositions. But there's a lot of when you're in the government you have to

you're in a party political, there's a whole of a social social human, of a party political,

it's a lot of people, but the people don't not, it's an campaign electoral,

it's a machine. It's a machine, the chef has a much of pressure also, you know, you're doing those are

people, you're doing, but you're the same job, I'm going to have the same job than all the chief. You're the same job, so you're a tough of party. You're a chief, so you're all the pressure.

Because, often it's not at the intern also. There's a question, because the world will gain, and they want to have, in the county, you can't go to go to, you get the pressure. You know, it's not simple.

It's that, but I, you know, I, you know, I'm talking to my parents, of my education, of the work. I, you know, I've tried for 15 years, in plus, that I'm impede,

benevolently, without being paid, like, I said, my father, I, I was, I was in

in these usin manufacturier in 15 years with the guy of chas and you know

that I'm sure you know I'm in where's the I'm really really on the moment where is the

because I'm this experience that, this solidity that for to make face to all the all the

of the politics and I'm very much that I'm my sense to my mind of my family

and of my education well in the you know you have really very much

you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're

you're doing four cards Okay. You're going to choose one, I'll choose one. When we're

going to get to the level there's there's just a question to answer to be able

to answer. So, I'll read your choice. What do when you cross a itinerant?

Nothing goes, as you think during this campaign electoral and a

good, how much you do? You do? You do consult an urgency for a

end of a chance? You're at where And the politicians and politicians say often who they're

called on their own might have you rectified? Oh, yeah, the club of mal-cited.

I've talked to, I've been choosing that. You've cross an it,

what's the thing? I'm cross, I'm on all the years,

in my country, I'm I'm not to have the money, I'm not all

the time, but I'm not I'm not I'm sure and I say, and I'm

the, and I just, to render a bit of humanity. And I know that can make a difference.

When I have not, I'm not an idea of that's what I'm going to be people who are, there are

because at the side of my bureau, by example, they me know, I don't a card

for apply my my attaches, for to be able to that's the kind of that's the

kind of thing to do the day. It's like so many it's like long time, and it's

immense, it's it's many, And it depends, we know, in which situation is the person intinerrant. You know, obviously, for the campan, we've been

visited these campmen, but that you go not alone. It's important to go to with the organists community because there's a line of confidence that is established. Yeah. So, that's,

what's... What's what you're felt? What's been the camp? Well, the campment? You know,

it's difficult to say, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm fared to be Quebecoise, and there, it's

it's not fair that we can't be able to that we're in a I'm in a couple of

years in a minute, my own my uncle, he said, look, there's a campments here,

there's a Syrian, that, that it existed not in the there, I'm

at the end of 2000. And it that's a image that. I'm saying, we're on

we're getting to be the other other way also, I've seen decantment, you know, a little everywhere, we

see, and it's so, so it's like, it's like, where our sentiment of fearty. But after, when I'm talking with the

human who are, and there are who are people who are and they, they've been prepared, the organism

in the middle of the people, they have made an affix, your deputy, will be present, Rubah

Gazale, they have even designed my face for to pose him these questions, it's the time, you,

they've prepared that, because the people in situations of disdference, it's important. They're in a state

mental, they're in their health mental in their health mental their health mental become after. You know, I'd

pass around a day or two in the street, my mental would be affected. Probably that I'd

be sure to do that to be in drugs. It's human to be to survive. Because they're in

survival, it's so. So, so the line of confidence is important. And the organisms that are there,

who they're supporting, are there, because it's the workers of their workers, they have this line, and they're they

can be our door of entry for me, the elues, but also for the institutional even. You know,

we're talking that you need them and that there's a line in the service, but it's also

that there a line of confidence, and that, the organisms that are there's like, they're like,

they're like, they're one who's people, there were there were many, there were

to say, and other who were at how point they're doing at the point they're in a lot of people,

there's a question that's a discourse that's and who see, and they see, they're the people, maybe they're

going to be talking, there's there's there's there's going to and they were there they're still,

they're in their tent. Is it that's that's a question? Oh, yeah,

for that. Oh, yeah, it's sure and certain. First, you know, you've got

to regard the cause of this crisis of of the itinerance, a very great number of situations

of in situations of in in in inerance, the cause is that they have been evinced of their loggents because they were in

default of payment. They could be able to pay their loggents. And after that when you

turn to find out of another loggment, there's not there's not really really really, there's a

amount of a lot of a lot of those people don't see, the price not the price not,

the price, in function of the revenue of there, there a manke incredible. We don't

have not construed to be all the whole palli of government and all parties, there's a fact there's

there's a fact, in the attendant to make a retrapage, now we're a crisis, 12,000

people are going to be explode, and the problem is that we can't, we're in the problem,

they're saying they're in other, so the people are in primary line, who support

the people people in situations of disinerance, we've to stop to think to the papras

and to and there are some reduction to do things to do you have a situation in a situation of urgency

it's a crisis humanitar the crisis of the crisis of the insineration so that there are there,

there, who are there on the front in the campments, in the street, in the

country, they don't to have to get to the pay for money,

you have a good of the money, a reduction of the money and we

have done the organization of the money to the money, you're to be you're going to occupy

these persons in situations of disinference for their to find a logement, a logement, a logement,

you know, we don't the resources, and then do that, like I said, after that, each situation is

different. There are that's some problems of mental, there are, there are that's the

problem, you know, of consumption, so, there, we have to them get in their system.

And what is sure, is that we have to our system so far for to support

this crisis, and in this moment, it's cool to everywhere, it's sure that it's not in couping more, but in garrant with more of efficacy, that I'm 100% of accord. There's a lot of course. The state, absolutely. But there's

a lot to do you to have, before to arrive in the rue, there. You know, it's also also, like, cut this flow, you know, a grand number, I think, it's the most, the persons in a situation of

disarrance, sort of our institutions, of DepiJ, in prisons. So, so our institutions, we have

between our our and in our there's no there's no there's no accompaniment. I've

talked a one with a young, in a situation of disinerance that had like 18 years,

that, that had to start to start incredible, that's, there's, there,

there, all the all the all the all the story, and then, she was,

she's I mean, I was just I wanted to, because she wanted like me to tell her because it was like a

question of a little bit of a reason, but she had had a lot of she had a little bit of she had a

way, she was she had a way to come back to the accompaniment. When you're 18, you're an infant, especially when you

had an when I was, I was saying, I was not, you know, I'm not prepared. But, you know, I mean,

you know, it's like to find a employee, garred your job, to find an equilibrium. But when

person you have to be it's like redevable to person there's something if we're having been

redeavable to person person, people to be person to be person who's absolutely like I'm

like I'm I'm saying and so it's these people who it's been difficult so there's there's such

there's there's issues that's there's there's there's there's there's

more people the children that's over the DPJ even more So there's a, there's that of our

system, to have them to have to them and they're in even the logement also, to have some

to have the local during the campaign electoral, I know, I know that's not for presently

the measures, he will have some there's not that are in function, the salary of the

people, they're, there's, not more than 30% of the revenue that they're

not, no, the type of revenue that they receive, and that for arrive to an

equilibrium, you know, there's there's a there's a so we're in a lot of it's not a

question, but it's because if we're doing, the it's it's not, it's inerance, oblivion,

the co-o- human, and be-veying, and just the money, it's $7,000 dollars per

per person it's in- that it's that we're that we're going to the cost, and the cost

the cost of the cost of an action is immense, immense. So, We say, we're trying that at braille

we're doing all the world and we're many people all the parties confondue and I'm there's a

other party that makes some more that's a very content. But what's sure, is that the statute

will make in sort of that will make in sort of their number will be to make sure the same

the same the same it's not, it will have to change the change of fashion to do

because there there's there's but how is that is gerry We, we know We've proposed

to have a super minister on the objective that's the right of the prime minister, and in the

objective, is to assure that all the actions that we do you to prevent, for help,

to help, the person intinerant, for the to get, to the people, there's

a coherence, a co-ordination, because the way, the system of the health and the

other side, the the other side, the other so, we advance, we're on,

we advance, we're, and, in that we've got to gasped of the money. So we're the fiduciary of the money of the people.

We have that each dollar invests face in sort that we're doing the person of the it's in fact. So that's a point

important. Fundamental and it's liable. And it's not anybody who who's not that's not

the sole cause, but it's fundamental. If we're going to get to get to the road, we'll be to be at where we're going

to be construction of loggents. And the total of in occupation, to increase, that's the

percentage of the percentage of the lot of money, and it's even in crisis, because the loggents who are

the loggments of $2,000 $2,000 $2,000 is rendered the normality for a month. $2,000

per month, it's rendered the normality. So, so the loggents are very so,

so, I'm but it's a good point in all the because it's has been new,

I've been I've been long time port of of the oberges of the oberges of there are be a

12 to 18 and there are that's just at 30 years. I'm very sensible to 18

because there it's really a carfor important in the life. And we have a lot that

there were many of the center of that that's that's so,

so you know, so you're so, so I'm too much. It's all right, it's too, I'm talking

the question that I'm not piggy. And nothing is going to be like you think. Because it arrives in a campaign electoral.

Yes, it's a bad there's a good long as a new country in a campaign electoral. How do you

react? Well, you know, I'm going to a moment important for Quebec Solidair and I

don't in the moment the most easy, but it's the moment where there's there's an

opportunity for our party. And a lot of people in my entourage me say, seriously

who other than you would be in this place. So we'd say that all my life,

all my chomining, that's in the interior of Quebec Solidate, that's in the world of the

work, my experience of my experience of the work, that's of who I see in my

life, personal, you know, I've not had an I'm also, it's a

dewe that's not a it's not it's kind of when you talk. Yeah,

I'm saying, I have versed some I'm over to that I'm not put in

vulnerability because because I think it's a deue that I have a

a life after, and that I'm a life after, even if I've not a baby, even if I want to have a lot, I'm going to have a lot of

I'm going to just of time for them to see. So, so for saying that, we'd say that all in my

life has been placed for that I have this force that to arrive in our party at that that.

And also, to communicate this energy that I'm this energy that I, this determination that I,

of fact that I've seen of the other and it's not a sundage a day that's going to be done

we're doing we're in in plain in the we know the soundages I see that and like

my grandmair very very croyant she's she's there's a few

a few God envis and to those and those who are people

that can't be able to that's it's it's to say not God not God

let's God, the view, let's envoys, envos and I'm able to get to be able, I'm able to

I know, I'm in the best to be in the thing, and especially what is important, you know, when there's

a lot, I'm not a I'm not, I'm not, a show, a show, I'm going to, a second,

I think, and we can get to do, especially, during this campaign electoral, seriously,

she's fascinating this campaign electoral, I'm, I'm attending to all, but it's really people,

it's motivated the people, it's motivated our people, the militants. And there's some it's the more, there's

a lot of it's like there's a other that it's a other that's I'm going to I'm over

I'm going to I'm away. I'm like, I'm there the ados personal, but we have also the

attuaries, well-entor well- prepared, it's like a bit an epitapap is the

psychological, it's all you're also in the mental you're like you're like you're like something

because not just the performance even even when it's you're I think I've found a way

to say, wait a minute, here's what we're what we're doing, what's the rest of, you know, exactly, here's what we're the rest of,

we're not, and in politics, you know, there's a chance, there's a hazard, there's a, there's a,

there's a, there's a thing, that we can't, that's not, that's, you know, how many of

people, people, on the vote, by example, the total participation. that, unfortunately, it's the party

of those who vote who don't, but, but it's so, the total participation. We're

really enervated the morning. You know, what is who is going to have been in the world? Is it going to it's not? That's the

whole to have to have a word control. Is that you do you have do you have do port-to-port for example?

Yes, yeah, I'm going to have some door, I'm going to see some people many people, many people, some people,

the assemblies, some people of the same around the and it's what we control. What we control is the port-a-port,

it's the work-a-to-the-care, and that has always been a force of Quebec We've got always done.

See, it's the juice of bra, Manon Mace said, the juice of bra. That's all the juice of

we're in on are. We know always been under the years. I mean, I mean,

when François had decided to quitted, and then you there's there person, there's, there's,

there's, there, before Manon and Amir, before Manon and Gabriel Nadeu Dubbo. There's

person, it, there's never, it's terminated. I'm just that, So I've seen done you've got there's

there's a there's a there's a work in the work to work to work the people the people

our energy and I'm I'm coming a campaign positive that works with my personality but not

but not you're kind of sometimes is that is that you Uber would say yeah

but it's that that's that that's what is that's a in politics, it's also it's an apprenticeship

to, you know, to be to be good, to be getting a question, there's a

question, you know, about you know, you know, about, a little bit of a little

stressy, but I don't know how to you know, it's really, you know, a sense perhaps,

to be in saying, you know, there's, there's, maybe, I'd have not been,

I'd be able, to be able to be able to the best , you're, and my stress, and my energy, and the bad news.

Today, no, I don't, I, I know, I'm not, I'm a lot of, I'm in the place for that,

and I'm sure, to keep people and I'm sure, and I'm sure, and you know, and some, you know, that's a

lot of the diversity, you, I've not had any great reproves, you know, I've not had an effort,

you know, there's perhaps, it would have, it's, it's, I mean, I have a daughter, it's her life, it's his identity, it's her identity that had been...

But you're doing a sense... Yes, to say that. Yes, I... It's... It's so, just for that the people know, I've had three years of incimination, of fecundation,

he did too, all of this. With he's piqued, all these affairs, I, I... I've all... I'm even... I'm even... I'm even...

I've even... ...I've seen... ...I've seen... ...the court. ...I've seen... ...a... at my, and I finally decided to turn

the page, that's that. What's what you have decided to turn this page? I was, I was 309-year, and I,

I've got to be that when I've got that's young, you know, wow, you know, of a fashion natural, it's not that it's not that

comes to get to share something, but in the same, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, so, I'm, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, it's, also, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, my couple. And it's a problem, this processus that of the

maternity for a couple, but I'm not not saying, I'm not going to be very much, because for me it's important

to be there for the young women who have to have and that's difficult, and to their and they're

a life after no matter, it's not a cheque, it's a dewe, but it's not a cheque, a dewe,

a dewe, it's not a cheque, a dewe, it's what I'm doing, I'm going more well, with

the man with who I was there was a but there was there's a problem so it's so that's not it's not

not a process but you know this process that's so it's quite difficult you know it's the

changement hormonoe I mean for you physically yeah it's something to live also. Yes but

I've been extremely privileged my place I've been in an business pharmaceutical

at the time I'm I'm a health security environment and in

this these one, she's one, they were at two path, literally, literally, at a key of a

clinic, of the clinic of fertility where I'm going to do. It's incredible. I have some good

assurances. One of the pharmacy, my assurances, I have, a, we have a, a,

a, , you know, a, I'm, paid to my pocket six hundred dollars. It's a mean, it's

that's a cost of, the first time of my life, and the unique, six-mills, that's

written, six-and- written, in terms of medications. I had these examines at pufeinir I had

paid by my assurances. I was paid I'm being in this in this approach that and there

I think a lot of for like for example I'm a woman who is in gaspiz and who

would be in in Abitibit Miskamem who would pass by the same processus who has

her and how she would be accessive completely 100% that's that's

that's even not to that's even not to That's that. So, I've had, everything

I've been privileged, but I know, other women have been not have been privileged. So the pot financier, because it's,

the pot financed, and at the point it was, it was, there was, there was, there was, there were,

there's a lot, there, and there, they've been on the, I'm in- the, the fact

to be able a fecundation, he lived too, and after that, we're coming, there, they're coming, in the other government.

I think it's the KACA who is after that for it's a pay for the public. But I remember I've got to come for my last, I'm doing that for me piqued

and all the process for a new first thing vitro, the last year, I'm going to say, I'm doing, I'm saying it's terminated.

And then the she sent it totally bad to me say that the government no more cover the treatment.

And, you know, sincerely, third essay in saying that it will be so I'm

like I'm like I'm like, I'm reminded to say they're to say, like you're

having already the processus, the government will be but after that for other women, it's been

to do you all that all right so I've been like, I've been like chanceo in my

malchance and that it's and it and it's to help to do

to do and I'm someone who's someone who who gare well who

You know, it's a deem, but it's not it's not it's not because you don't a sense. Yes,

you don't a sense, yeah. It's so, because for being able to be able to to be able to

when it's a way, it's, I think that's the force of a leader, it's not necessarily when it's

when it's not, you see, it's when it is not, because there, you know, you know,

you're going to be able to you know, you're going to be able to What's what you're going to be the deweigh of to find a family

it's been like a renewal of other things you've been You've re-chewated your life Yeah, I've re-chosen my life

I say I'll profit to at the maximum of all the things that the mrs. not to have an life the

the full-lip possible, of the summer, etc. And I want to be my aunt six times.

You're my aunt gatto. I'm my aunt to my aunt atolle, and I'm at 10 months, I'm a niece of 8 months, and my nephew of 13 years. So I get all the month. So that's, that's genial.

So I'm entour of an infant. So my desire of baby, is combled to this fashion. But there's my sister, we have 15 years of difference. She has an impression to be grandmare, almost.

We have 15 years of difference. It's me who who's occupied with her when I was 15 years to my sister. And my baby has a baby, it's bizarre, I'm

weird, I'm saying, grandmair. So, that's it's a lot of that's a question, and also, it's

that's not that the policy is coming, so I'm at a other moment, if I had a baby,

maybe I would have to do you to do that policy, and the policy is arrived,

the appell of America is arrived, like the year, like, it's been it's like a new

new know, and it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, and, yeah, to have you even they've been you're going to go to

the no, no, I'm going to physically. It's not so I'm not so, so I'm not

because there's very difficult. It's a chance of, I had been chancerous in my malchance and I'm

going to talk a story that's a issue of for the young women, I'd like that, I

have made that in time to you know, because sometimes there there's often, there's when she

there's a couple, you know, that's very difficult in a part to be able to emotions,

that it's like a actually a actually personal. Like the car has even not really

that's not you know, but for that your story is important. Because it's not an an issue.

No, no, to do it's really, we can be an woman extremely combed,

and as like I'm being able to be able and and I'm doing to make so

to make so to get to the time, but we can adopt it's difficult

I know but there a life after the dole of the maternity and a very well life. Well, that's for someone who's

going to pass it. Nive-Rouge, Ruba, you have a choice, and you'll answer, and you will respond to a single question

of a new Roof. At that, I've not used a not even not, maybe it's

not, that's the personal, that's the personal, that's the more political. The more political.

How do you with the departure of the first letters of the office of your part?

You know, we're a bit more political, sent you the disengagement of the

people and the environment and we're being like we're like, as well,

like, as far as the law 101, how do you the situation of the French

on the if we have not about that. Yeah, I'll take

that. Do you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of

your life? You know the same way you can skip an ad? I get it. I'm

Siyyaya and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questions. decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today, I'm still figuring it out.

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child of the Law 101 and there's you know, I think the Marst of Montreal, it's a woman who is

a girl in the law 101 and be able to be able to that and that's a leg in 1997

I'm in 97 I'm in 77 to have this law there so it so it

takes it's a it's we're we're we're we're we're

our culture, we're we're protecting and we're we're all the Critic.

Because the law 101 has a great reputation today, it depends, it depends for who, but it's a way of the

general, but at the time, there was an vance that imposed to the immigrants, to learn the French,

poor of the other, it's not a sense, and it's very, very critiqued, but there

had been a courage political to say, we're not just for the next election,

we're not just watch for the vote of today, we're we're going for the generations

future, and here the generations future that I I'm so I'm who I'm a

leg of of this of this voluntity that's for that I'm I'm saying I'm a

retire of Gerald Godin who has always talked about the movement independentist of the

independence of Quebec, that we have been a country in opening the person

issued of immigration and there was a biography of Gerald Godin

that has been some years by Jonathan Livernoa And Jonathan, Leveno, that I

know personallyly, when he I'd talk about the infant of Alba 101 at the Assembly National, of how I, how I've applied the French in chanting Felix Leclair in a class of acue,

how I've learned with the college public Quebecoise in listening and I'm listening and I'm going, I like, that love for our

language, a travel the culture Quebecoes, for the young, all the young Quebecers and on immigration or not.

And then he said, my God, I had the impression to understand, you know, a bit of what Gerard Godin wanted, you know, he was demanded to decry the preface of Gerard Godin, and I read with really pleasure, immense bono. And he made part of this government that, that, it was a government

of the PQ, I'll say, of the Law 101. So, it's a matter of, that's important, a leg, policy. And, yeah, today, I'm worried, I'm worried for the future in our language at cause of the Netflix

of Spotify of this world we know the culture American and everywhere the world in all the language that's

minority they feel this fragility cultural even if they're there so we we're even

more because we're a gut of in the ocean the North American and so so yes

I'm quite that it doesn't say to say to say to people to listen of the music

American and do you know, and to do do have a work moralizer I think I mean, we're saying,

we're going to have a part of responsibility individual, it's important. It's important to say, by example,

my beau son, the son of Victor, we're going to be all over, the teleseries,

notably in the that's he'll be he's he'll be he's many time,

he will listen these series American, he will look YouTube, and we

can't just culpabilized, it's not by the culpabilization that we're to make to make

the language it's yes, in having the law in being in being in being,

in being, in with the culture, in souttening our artists, those who who are

those who who are living our culture. So it's like that it's like that we

think we I think in the effort public with the politics public

in financing our culture and financing also our artists that we're

not in culpabilizing the individuals, only that we're going to arrive to protect the language it's like that it's like that

it's like that it's always to be in the way to the people. There's a lot of people who are

saying, yeah, but you know, if you're going to not going to work, it will be able to

the time, the chives, what's you're at to respond to the people?

Because it's kind of a question, I'm the question that I'm having a your party.

Yes, there a cliche who are at the or perhaps at a reason in our party

and that this critique that, it's I've already said publicly, maybe we're not quite that

we're not , how is that a government of Quebec Solidare to create to the richess?

How is we're in sort of the sector private who has also his role to

play in the economy and to have a discourse plus economic. I'm a discour that I

possess, and I say not that's not there's always this discourse economic at Quebec Solidare, but perhaps

that it has been able to maybe the people that people are not doing. I know what I know is that it

has to serve all the world. It's not that's just a minority that's just a economy that's the economy will be

the class modern, that's all their possible and they're not, and they're end up, and they're and they're getting

and they're in they're in defaults paid for their or their loyie costs share. For me, there's a issue. Or if they want,

my mom-ma her has been to have a have an chirurgy that of the genoo, she has attended extremely long time and

we said, if you want to go to go to private, it's $25,000 and he said, well, he said, well, he said,

so, that in our entourage, there's people who attend very long time and suppose They don't have not the capacity to attend.

I mean, it's a cheque total. And then what's what's going to pay a lot money for having some people

they're not and they're not. And after that, they're going to their card to credit for pay their services. It's a

cheque total. So, it's sure that they have a change of cap. But what, but what I, for me,

for being economically, it's not on sabbran in our service public. You know, if today,

we have a Quebec Inc. We're Fierre of our Quebec Inc. If we're

entrepreneurs, some people who have invested their money, their money to their night

like my father who have done for to do you to do with economically it's because

there's a system of education public that was important. It's because

our system of education created in the years 60 that we have

made with my to we have put also these companies

which we've worked, I've worked for a monadette for a onetic for long time and it's

it's a year to be a year to but it's it's a it's a problem the education

and the system of public for all the people, to have the equality of the

there's there people who are from the DPJ but they they have

they have they're they're they're they're not they they're not

they're not the way than other more than a schools private, we're we're trying,

you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

creation of richess, it's also by these services public for, for having

these schools who don't in ruin, for having any of the pool, for having

the transport in common. You know, the transport in common, I, I, I'm, I'm,

with these entrepreneurs, with the people of people, people, for me, the transport

in common, it's, I, It's good for our economy. It's a it's even

to be attractive and to have people who have been the car who are the man of off that will

come in my work, I'm working in my people of people of people of who are

in Ottawa and they say in the East of Morial in the East of the world

of the world of the affairs so mobilise for there is there

structure in it's even even not a question there there will more an accent

on the card financial, on how it can't work. The card financial, we've always

presented a card financial that is a but maybe that in the discourse that's,

maybe I'm, what I'm what I'm saying, I'm going to create of creation of riches.

And just yesterday, we're in in plain war tariff and I presented the plan

economic of Quebec Solidare, what's what we're and what we're doing, it's

it's a possible to let's possible to let's make in own. And if you have made the gross good sense,

it's to say, yes, it's a idea, but when we're in an enterprise,

it's like a contract of reciprocity. We've done some we've done we've done we're doing,

because when there's a crisis, the companies private, the people, all the world

to turn to turn to be not over different, you turn to the state. It's, we're going to

that's that's far to respond. It's a refurbate. So if we if we're

affably the state, and then you have not the rest, we're in the death. So,

so I'm what I propose is, is, yes, we have to help the company,

we're sure that there's an maintain of the activity and the maintain of the money,

then the company's firm, and that they pay their pay their debt, and they

can't, so, it's got the money of the people who when you done the

end, and I say, I'm salued Christe Christine because there we're all

the time in crisis so is we continue to be a anti-pont to end up a pune

to end up to finish and the crisis there, malorism, there will have to more

the instability that's part of our new normal. So what what's we do

for tene economically because it can't not just be there and some

and the subvention we have that we need just to get

the we can the state will use the because

the the state is an actor economic, it's leviets that are the approvisionment, the cash public.

The state and we're able, and we're able, and we have the expertise, and we do do it, and it's going to

buy the price of what we have to change the appell of for the PME Quebecoise

who do the people, can't enter in the market and have been there's

contract stable with the government. The state is a donor of the

when we say that the state we're doing the state does it's not the, it's not the all our infrastructures that's not and that's if we're not because we're a debt that's

it's a debt for more than we're in a cause of the inaction it's a debt it's a lot it's just to be more

so it's worth so the cost there's like a cost of an opportunity the cost of the inaction is a much more grand

than the cost of the cost of the cost we profiton the the crisis Trump

as a like an opportunity because in every crisis there is an opportunity

for to regulate the crisis of our infrastructure, the crisis of the housement,

because the logement, it's the construction, it's the wood, and it's the crisis

that's the crisis that the crisis that's not with the wood, with the assy,

with the aluminium for construire and repair and it and it's also to work

our companies there's there's there's that's with her that we

have to have with them that we have not we have not the expertise in

the Quebec, it will have to in the investment, because the government in

the government in the money, he's not that they're not quite, he's not the right,

he is obliged to sort of the money. And that's the money because we are in a crisis.

Profitone on for that the money for that the people are used to

be used to and that long view and not just to make some of doing, and that

do you two years after the verificat general we have They're mal-girre the

money and it's not going to and that's that you're going to be in very much. Well,

thank you Ruba, what I'm really, I've seen so of this encounter that, your conviction,

your energy that you're in the energy that you're in service of others. You're really a leader, a coach.

Yes, a coach. A coach. So, I'm, I want, that this campaign,

that's the heart of your attance. I see at at which point it's a there's a lot,

and there's a lot, I think it's a lot, I think it's a lot, I think it's a whole, you know, to be able to be cited correctly, and there's a

lot of things to motivate the troops also that will read all sorts of things on the social, to rest concentrated

on the direction, and, well... And the people have been people, and it's so, I hope that this campaign,

will be there there's a too cynism. Like that's a great campaign because there's a because there before, as you

know what you're going to happen. All right while the way of the job of the campaign for you. Thank you.

Thank you very much. I've adored the discussion really. I hope my job. The Joker.

No, no, no, no idea. No, no idea. No, no idea.

No, talk to the game. No. Thank you very. Thank you. Thank you.