OverDrive - Colaiacovo on Matthews' offensive decline, Domi's aggressive hit on Barkov and Rantanen's commanding role

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

TSN Hockey Analyst Carlo Colaiacovo joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines from the Stanley Cup Playoffs, the Panthers knotting the series against the Maple Leafs, Max Domi's fine for the hit on Aleksander Barkov, the physicality edge from the rosters, Auston Matthews' lack of scoring in the games, Mikko Rantanen's remarkable power for the Stars, Canada's overview at the men's worlds and more.

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That was loud. Well, that's what we hear. You know how many times JP, who's in Japan right now, I have to mention that every time I say his name, will play when you're on or we mention your name, he'll play that bang drop. Oh and he just blows your ear off? If you're not prepared for it, it's so loud and it throws me off, it drives me nuts. So now you just experienced what we have to experience. Bang! There it is. Exactly. Like when you're not waiting for it and I'll mention, So now you just experienced what we have to experience Like when you're not waiting for it and I'll mention I'll be like well I was listening to Carlo this morning and then it just hits and I'm like dude you can't Go out here like please don't do that. So anyway, good to see you man. Look at you all world championship Like you got the whole thing dialed in eh gotta look good for the part, right? Absolutely

Top pretty good game. I just did, Sweden vs. Finland. But Canada, man. That roster's tough. Are they just going to kill everybody? Yeah, they should kill everybody. They better. The expectation is a goal. Yeah, but some other teams might be... Does any other team have any kind of heater lineup like that?

What happened? After that, explain what the hell happened it just trickle-down effect Sid said I'm going so then everyone else just piled on and said I better get there too I mean and once it goes and then McKinnon goes it's like how are you how are you saying no to the invite and those two guys go and I think that was the trickle down effect. I think before Sid was named, they recruited some good guys to go, but then you bring over Binnington, you bring over Braden Schaen, Brandon Montour, like if they don't win gold. Yeah, you're a heavy favorite.

You're a heavy favorite. I mean, Sweden looks pretty good. they're not as deep on the back ends they've got marks from in that jackie other defending champs like they use the home crowd last year to help push them to the end but yeah i mean but it's you're looking at this carla this canadian team should just dummy people even the team u.s.a. you look at the roster there's some good

players don't get me wrong Yeah, they like you've got in today though. Zeve by only by I am that's probably came up in Minnesota Yeah, you know this Logan Cooley Josh Stone Mikey Esselmont like there's some good players, but they're not it's not Crosby McKinnon No, you know you're getting you know a lot of depth for the Canadian team. Now, is the Canadian team kind of just waiting their way into it? I saw Sid punching guys in the head there. Well, I want to bring that up with you guys because sort of the reputation that McKinnon gets around the league with guys that know him

is he's a little bit of a snapshot. And Saturday, they were playing Slovenia. It was four nothing in the third period and Sid got or Nate got a breakaway and he hit the post and as he's skating out of the zone, he slams his stick on the glass as he was like really pissed out like a five nothing goal late in the game. Yeah. And there was a there was an incident in yet last game against Lafayette where he missed another scoring chance

and he went to the bench and he slammed the door shut. And I kind of wonder with how close Nate and Sid are, the more they hang out with each other, the more Nate's rubbing off on Sid because they were playing Latvia yesterday and Crosby's losing his mind on referees. You've got to relax over there, man. It's the group stage. But here's the thing Hase. Yeah. And Mark Giordano pointed this out to me. He said it's even more important for young guys that are there on this roster to watch how competitive these two guys are

in a nothing game against Latvia. Though there's benefits to it for sure. Smashing your stick off the glasses and showing anybody anything. No I know but. I don't think you want Macklin Celebrini doing that next time he misses. By the way, he's looked unreal in two games. As he should. He's a player, man. He's a player. What a setup for him. What do you guys think outside chance of Olympic team next year?

Mack Celebrini? Between the four nations and the Olympic team, we'd have to think there's probably going to be what, six or seven new faces yeah generally yeah there's turnover I think absolutely Celebrini could be that would be quite the feather in his cap man to be that young and to be thrust into a way more important like the most important tournament you can play in so today pressure and all that today who are you taking if you had to take one Ce your bedard uh... it's not a lot of the other day all day yeah which is scary to think yeah well if you look at it though carlo

celebrate his game is a little bit more well rounded right now yes like he he was up there statistically in loose puck battles turning pucks over like where but darred everybody had to talk to you in chicago and I've had a couple conversations with coaches and stuff there they're saying yeah with the puck he's fantastic without it you know he's still learning that's their you know that's their thing still learning I'm like if you look at analytically how much a guy has the puck on their stick McDavid has it on his stick it seems like the whole game he has it really a minute twenty nine minute thirty

of of actual time on his stick so the rest of the time you gotta play without the pocket i think that's where bedard struggles is i'll be is fast enough in certain areas to get there is not strong enough yet you know that i see yet because they're still long runway there were these conversation guys when they'd be kidding was first coming into the lake. He was a 50, 60 point, 40 points, then 60 points. It took him a while to arrive.

I hope Bedard is like that. Oh, you've been loving this guy for a couple years, but he just hasn't arrived yet the way you expected. Well, there's a bunch of factors into it too. The team is complete trash. It's as bad as NHL roster as anyone could have assembled. They try to get some veteran leader, whatever try to do but it's terrible it's a terrible team terrible the whole roster top to bottom is garbage right but how

much does a 19 year old kid have like he's you wanted to rise up from that and just score 40 goals and do this and do that I don't know there's yeah you gotta be reasonable you gotta be reasonable yeah with that roster like what's going on there in Chicago I really don't know what the hell anyone should expect the fact he got like 60 points this year I think is honestly a miracle well yeah it's a miracle when you consider he's played with that's why I don't know the whole backstory as to why he's not at the Worlds but why is he not at the Worlds I mean that this is where if you never win there last year and it was like he didn't play a bunch. I hear you. I understand that but it's like

you've had nothing but losing losing losing now you've got almost a lock gold medal where you can jump on a bandwagon with Sid. Anyway let's get into what happened last night we haven't really talked about Domi on Barkov Kulikov on Marner now Domi got fined $5k cool Barkov, Kulikov on Marner. Now Domi got fine 5K. To my knowledge, Kulikov, nothing's coming of it. Are you surprised by either of the outcomes on either of those plays? I'm surprised that there's no call on this one. Kulikov, Alboying. It's a missed call. You can even go back to the overtime in game three when Rodriguez leaps at Tavares head.

And I look at those two plays, I think Domi got what I expected and he's lucky that Barkov got right up after that hit. Because if Barkov labors at all and then he leaves and we don't know if he's okay or not he's probably getting a game hmm I thought the coolacoff elbow was just as bad or worse than that hit 100% it was if the why it isn't coolacoff get fine. Okay so this is what I want to ask you guys. Timing of the game too this is this is with no seconds left on the clock you go and run and a you know a third line player goes and runs a star player from behind and he gets right up that's I understand that and listen. understand that i know and and i started

marty marty got us by barter got up and but that was still that was during the game it was whether you like it or not hockey player not it's a penalty a hundred percent that was missed yeah but i think they hitting from behind is way worse like i thought that was a a greasy hit from behind from from doming. So this is what I want to ask you guys. Yeah, you see the incidents that Florida has found themselves in. Rodriguez, Barkov, the Bennett one, whatever, they're, the Leafs aren't getting the benefits of the call. When I look at that Marner play, I look at the Tavares play, isn't it part of their responsibility, Marner, Tavares, to sell those plays to draw penalties? Well, no, I mean, it's playoffs, right?

You could argue Tavares did. Like, Tavares, he threw his head back, and it may have been reactionary. It may have been an honest reaction. Right. back and it may have been reactionary, it may have been an honest reaction. But he did, I think there was some salesmanship to that. Marner, I don't know, I mean, Marner was stunned. He's kind of buckled, dude. Yeah, like Marner, I hear what you're saying. Like the Rodriguez, Rodriguez is tough to get a read on. Now Ekman Larson got him.

When you're not expecting, you can get hit. I'm sure he was winded and he was like, I got to get out of here. But he sold it. But, and that's what he's done twice now, He's like i gotta get out of here, i gotta go down the tunnel. But you know, they call the five on Ekman-Larsen, and i think they got it right to review it and eventually call it a two. 100% of the day. But part of understanding how to win in the playoffs isn't a skill of learning how to draw penalties.

I mean, you're giving yourself an advantage by doing it. I just think that, look, I'm not asking, I'm not asking anybody to fake it. It's not high priority list, man. I get it, you wanna go on the power play, but I think as far as what needs to go on on Wednesday night, I did not even have that on the top of my mind as one of the things that needs to be worked on,

to be honest with you. Well, I'm not saying they need to work on it. I'm just saying you just wish that there would be a better understanding in those moments how big a power play can be it's a one goal game yesterday. Yeah yeah it's a good point I thought the Leafs if you actually go back to it Carlo game one the Leafs sold a few plays yes and they got the got the calls right they got a bunch of penalties against Ottawa where, you know, whether it was a penalty or not, they were like, hey, this is a penalty or hey, look at this.

I think as the playoffs go on though, the refs are looking like they don't want to be the difference makers. I think the elbow on Marner, that was a missed call. I think, you know, Rodriguez on Tavares, yeah, those are missed calls but you know i look at the domain one it's just the timing of it yes you know they went out for a little pound of flesh the end of the game good for you you know what i mean you are like that i like that i had no i don't know if you have a hockey yet mcmahon went after uh... uh...

was a good one i don't know if i'll have to march and it was to check that was chirping neilander on the right place earlier in the game big man had got to chuck down come there to our back checking any got him yeah yeah but yeah i mean listen florida you live by the sort you die by the sword the florida panthers nobody is going to shed a tear because barkov got buried at the end of the game like that's how they play they would do the exact same thing the exact same thing some of march and would bury matthews from behind if he had the chance. Look what Kachuk did at the end of game one.

Yeah exactly, he's chasing Marner around like no one you live by the sword you die by the sword I I don't think you know I I think because I think you make a very valid point and an important point because Barkov got right up there they were never gonna call anything right was it a greasy intentional play of course it was like he saw his numbers and the game was over and he buried him like that's exactly what Max Thomey did now I also don't think there's gonna be any carry over to the next game like this whole Matthew Kachuck episode at the end what is he gonna throw a vicious elbow at Nylander and get suspended for 20 games I don't he's not doing that yeah

yeah exactly Matthew Kachuck isn't gonna do anything but play he's gonna play you know he'll try to hit you if he could hit you but him at the end of the game telling Willie I'm coming for it no he's not threats aren't these threats aren't they don't exist and they definitely don't exist with Matthew Kachuk because he's a legit player like he's gonna play 18 19 20 minutes and he's not gonna throw some crazy elbow to get suspended because Barkov got hit. That's not gonna happen and I don't think Nylander should care about it, would care about it, we'll see what comes of it game five but these are all the ebbs and flows of what is turning into being a great series now.

You got a best two out of three and there's animosity and there's hatred here, it's great. Don't you feel good about the Maples actually being part of a series like this? Like we haven't seen this type of like intensity or rivalry or even physicality like it's been a very physical series. It's been incredibly physical through four years. Would you like to see their top players be a part of it though? For sure. That's the difference. I was gonna ask you guys guys, like maybe the greasiest play, because we just laughed about it last week, the Dale Hunter on Pierre Terjean. When Bennett scores, Willie had a chance to bury him. Like bury him on the back check and say, hey, you just got the puck off and I finished my

check and he stops up. Now again, that is a very, very gray area because when the play is done again the Dale Hunter, Domi Barkov stuff but I think Bennett finishes that hit. I guess is the way I would put it. If it's an opposite, if you're in opposite skates, yes Bennett would have and then played dumb and said oh I didn't know it went in or hey like watch this we're watching on TSN 4 he scores and Willie's like no I'm good and you could have just buried him or at least cross-checked him and buried him because the game's over there like just destroy him with a cross-check. Not only Bennett, seven other guys on that red team yes would have done that. And he had a chance and and again i'm not surprised as word nine years in those guys are wired that way in they're

not they're not going to do it you know it's they're just that's that like they don't go looking for it and doesn't mean that it's running from it they just don't go looking for that's the difference you know it you know that that's the way i don't know you know me i'm wrong you asked me about the top players i think a player absolutely love watching watching in this series is Matthew Nyes. It's been

unbelievable right in the mix of everything. Everything and this guy plays with so much energy, so much intensity. He's been the best forward on that line. Yes. Matthews and Marner. That's his line. Pretty much and so I was talking about it this morning and and there's a lot of talk around Matthews and not being able to score and Mitch Marner elevating his game if you're Marner and Matthews and you're your linemate is Matthew nice and you're watching him play like that is it that hard to look at him and say I got to play like that too and I'm

not asking Matthews and Marner to play with the same physicality that that Marner that Matthew could Marner Marner's not built the same way you can't tell me they can't play with the same energy or intensity that he plays think about if those two guys with their skill sets played with that type of energy and that type of intensity they they'd be unstoppable. Well, again, we're nine years in and I don't know. And that's the frustrating part. You can't hold your breath on that.

We always resort back to that, right? We've seen this story over and over again, but they're in a 2-2 series and they haven't had to carry the load yet. Yeah, well, that is a testament to the team in general. I always talk about buying time and it's like some other guys have bought them a lot of time. A lot of time. You bring up an interesting point, Carlo.

Matthew Nise's intensity, it's almost appropriate for the circumstances where it's, I don't know, you just see some of the starts of the games and it's kind of like slowly blending into the game or this guy comes out shooting out of a cannon every night and I don't know why that's not the expectation or the reality for every top player it's like that's the circumstances like we're a desperation mode it's like you got a chance to go to a quarter final or a semi-final where you might like the matchup so like where's the desperation like he it's awesome that he's got it because he brings it every single shift yeah well you need yeah i mean i

would argue uh again it's a testament to what nais is doing that he he is the guy you expect to drive that line but that's not the way it's drawn up no no check and that's fine if it's one night here one night there it has been consistent throughout ten playoff games and as a result matthews and marner contributed in other areas in the killing penalties and winning draws in

drawing penalties and there's a lot of different things they're doing well but i started the show we all did and you know at four o'clock uh... almost in all of the fact that there's somewhat of a debate among the fans about whether or not the expectation is fair to suggest that that the should score

uh... like it the you he's got to score at some point. Well that's who he is, that's what he does, and everyone's got to elevate their game, but we just saw in his last 20 playoff games, he's got three goals. Like that's a 12-goal pace. That's Pontus Holmberg statistics. That cannot be Austin Matthews.

And I know he's got cookies in other areas. He's got apples. He's got, you know, there's a number of different things to come up. He's the guy you look at to expect to score big goals for. He's got to score big goals. He's got to have a big moment. And again, like O just said, everyone's bought them time. You got a best two out of three where you've got home ice.

It's right in front of you to do that. Yeah. There's a legacy moment just sitting there hanging there. Begging for it, man. Begging for it. It's right in front of you to do that. Yeah, there's a moment just sitting there hanging there begging for Begging for honestly, I cannot stand People saying oh Matthews is dealing with something. There's no way he's playing every single night 20 minutes a night He's winning every face. Yes, everybody's fine. He's playing and everyone hanged up Leon Dry side always scoring goals with a high ankle sprain. Yeah

Hand yeah bum hand. And a bum hand. It's like, at some point, it's like, if you put your equipment on it, and oh, you know this, in playoffs, you put your equipment on, nobody looks at you as if you're dealing with something. No. The judge is being 100%.

It's like, OK, you decided you're putting the jersey on. You go out there and play. Play. And there's no, ah, you know, I just didn't. As soon as the jersey goes on, out there and play like and there's no I you know I just didn't like as soon as the jersey goes on it's game over he's still getting chances to score mmm not like he's invisible out there he's it's got to bear down yeah you gotta find you gotta find one shot where it goes through and then you get your confidence going all of that type of stuff I mean he's a

streaky guy but you know in the end he's got to break through because that's what's gonna be needed here in These last we'll call it three games because I feel like this is going the distance. So Call it a color call the Ackerman with us. What did you guys make? We haven't talked about the Mason Marchman tap in the ref After he was pissed off that they missed a couple calls. I got no problem with it I know you're not supposed to touch the ref, but I think yeah I just think they probably have a relationship missed a couple calls. I got no problem with it. I know you're not supposed to touch the ref, but I think he's...

I just think they probably have a relationship and like if he had a whacked him on the back of the leg you're like okay man you're gonna have to pay the price for that one. But I honestly I don't know the thing is is someone else gonna do it and say well Mason March meant... That's the concern, the slippery slope. He got away with it. Antoine Vermette was it that got ten games didn't he for hacking the the I was a goofy one. He caught what do I slash the linesman off of the draw in But that was in the back of the legs wasn't it was so pissed about the the drop that he gave my shot but I don't know I it is a slippery slope because the ref should be a hundred percent off hit off limits

and i think marchman he guy i think he got off with one point i was lucky to say i think they are lucky they could have written it up and said you know what yeah it's fine this guy gave me a tap in the league goes we have to deal with this you you can't go well mason marchman said sorry or he didn't mean to and then the next guy who does it goes well that guy didn't like it's a bad precedent to set yeah like if they suspended him no one would be

surprised right but I think nobody I think it was revealed to that there was a comment from the referee that said he didn't feel like there was well obviously it was the ref's discretion because he didn't call anything. Like he could have given him a penalty of two and a ten immediately. Maybe that goes to what O says about there maybe there's a relationship there and he was just trying to get his attention. But still, it was more than just getting his attention. He wasn't getting his attention.

He wasn't saying, hey, the puck's over here. He was going to the bench pissed and he gave him a whack. Like it wasn't vicious. vicious yes I mean I would you I think you could let him off the hook if he was calm in a way right if it was like hey you know more playful that was not a playful play by Mason Marchman no he was bent out of shape and he gave him a whack Coco what did you think of the directing of the puck into the net let's hear hear it with Alex Petrovic. Scoring on Hellebuck to make it three-two.

Thank you. See? I don't understand. No goal! He propelled the puck into the net. He propelled the puck into the net. Again. How about the new word, Coco?

Propelled. It just entered the chat yesterday. Right. So you mean to tell me from behind the net I could kick the puck into the direction of the net and hope it hits somebody and goes in and it's going to count just that's why i don't know that's all right now but i don't know what they're saying if it hits somebody it's no goal what they're saying is that hella buck shot it into his own which i think you did for pressure okay okay how's the difference if it goes off anybody it just no goal no goal

The puck was going a different direction like that's where I said you got caught out of the location I had the puck get there the Kick there. Thank you. Yes. Yeah to me like I look at these rules I look at these calls and I say to myself, okay How many people are in the war room actually discussing this? I love that it's in Toronto too, like people in Winnipeg, their minds are exploding. Or people, if there's six people, how does the conclusion coming out of this that there's an overall consensus that that's a good goal?

I think when I look at plays like that, I always say to myself, okay, what's going to be more controversial? Is it going to be if we don't call it a goal? Because people are going to say, oh, it's a kicking more controversial? Is it gonna be if we don't call it a goal? Because people are gonna say, oh, it's a kicking goal. They're not gonna make any big deal about it. But you call it a goal and everyone starts asking, why is it a goal? How? How is that in the rule book of like, because literally everybody, including us is asking how that was a goal. And think about how pivotal that goal was. Oh, it was the winning goal in the end.

Right. I mean that was the backbreaker. They were done effectively after that goal, but I don't know. My general rule is a tie would go to keeping a goal on the scoreboard. Like I don't like the idea of taking goals off. I'm all for that. I'm all for finding more ways to score goals, but the other day. And I believe that the rule on the, ruling on the ice was good ice was good goal the goal which again i don't know if that matter and i don't even know why that matters when when you're reviewing it for eight minutes i mean clearly you're you're debating it and you're going back and forth that's the thing if it goes eight minutes that means they're split it's a split vote it is and they're

going okay plus they also have to get the messaging right because you're going we were going through the rule book in real time. Frankie Carrotto had the rule book out. Yeah, Frankie had the rule book out. We were arguing. Glenn Schiller's like, that's not a goal. We got Billy Dodd.

Like, everybody's weighing in on it. And I go, okay, let's establish if it's kicked. Yes, we all believe it's kicked. Now the propel word is just so funny because it's like well He propelled it into the and the league made sure that the ref actually said he propelled it into the net Because if not with simple words in simple hockey terminology it started with a kick the end Destination was the back of the net therefore we have no goal. Well, that's fine. I got I hear you guys but guess what it didn't play out that way. I know right now Winnipeg is down to one and Hellebuck gives up five on the road every

single time he plays on the road. That's the narrative. And they've got game four tomorrow night and he better give up three or less. I mean I don't know. I don't you can't say anything different than that. What's the bigger story in that series? Hellebuck or Rantanen? That's a great question. I think it's Rantanen. This guy is insane. Yeah, it's probably Rantanen, although Rantanen really did. He started the party in game seven of the previous series, even game six. He had four points in game six in Colorado. He had 11 points in the last three games. Yeah, I mean he like he had three points last night In a hat trick in game one. Yeah, I guess it is ranting and maybe you're selling me on that

But he could he could still go cold and Dallas can win Win a pay can't win if hellebuck doesn't smarten up on the road like I know they have home ice But they lost game one. So they kind of lost home ice to an extent. So he's got to smarten up. He's got to play better tomorrow. You see the shot that Naz and Kadri took? That's what we were talking about earlier this afternoon. Got to keep the dogs, man.

Dude, he's right. You want to think outside the box and have all these creative ideas. You want to gas the dogs. You're going to pay the price sometimes. And it would just be crazy because you sit in a boardroom and you talk yourself into thinking we need depth we need the salary we need this we need that

and he's the reason you get punted from the playoffs and then he's just starting to punt other teams like you gotta be sitting there watching that saying what on earth did we just do i saw your tweet yesterday he should be the cons might even if you know in the car they lose the second round given the cons might leaving the leaving the building out in the second round cons might it's been incredible or ranting and stunned

i just amazing how you feeling where the leaves are two two three i think game five is is a must win absolutely i think it's a must win for the leaves uh... you've you gotta get back on the horse, man. You can't allow Florida, like they went three in a row and then you got to go down to Florida and win that game on the road. That's going to be a very daunting task. I feel like the Leafs, it's a must win on Wednesday. That's the first time that's happened for them this year. How much do you think the loss Friday night played into the way they played yesterday? I don't know I mean it was very similar to

the last series right game four in Ottawa they lose in overtime then they were awful in game five and then they credit they got they got on the horse again in game six and figured it out if it's the same storyline here it's all good yeah I do think that's deflating because not only because they lost in overtime but they had a two-nothing lead and a three-one lead like you have multiple two goal leads in a game where you can basically show them the door. That's crushing. That definitely stung. Game three was the bigger heartbreak. Yeah that for sure.

Yeah without question. You had the Joseph Wall performance in yesterday's game in game three. We're talking about a different series. You probably are. They're probably up three one and you're feeling great about Wednesday night. Got any PGA liens? Anyone in particular at Quill Hollow this week that you like? My guy Sepp Straka won. Oh, I know. I've been on him every tournament. I didn't. You love Sepp Straka? He's my guy. He's your guy. Sepp Straka is your guy. Not our guy. Just for value. Just for value. He does bring value, he wins. Once in a while he does. I loved him at Augusta, I didn't even make the cut. Fuck that Augusta. You gotta like Rory's chances, no?

Yeah, he loves Quahawks. Dude, he's won on that property four times. I'm on Scheffler this week. Big time this week. I see him blow out the field last minute. Yes, I think Scott and Zander sniffed him around too. I'll do a side five hunch with my guy if you want. I've already we've already established that I'm on your own Rory's I'm okay. Don Macro is gonna win every week now Would you put it past them? I would put it past them to win every guy doesn't want to make 11 years He had his D game in Philly and he finished seventh with the D game. hear you. Schaeffler wasn't even there. He'll be there this week. Coverage of the PGA Championship on Overdrive brought to you by

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