OverDrive - Hill Jr. on why you don’t trade Parsons, the positives that could come from the trade, and where it ranks among Jones’ worst moments

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Cowboys writer for DLLS Sports Clarence Hill Jr. joined the show to discuss why you don’t trade Micah Parsons, the positives that could come from the trade, and where it ranks among Jerry Jones’ worst moments.

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basically defended his decision to get rid of a generational talent in seemingly Arden Richard Hall of Fame past Russia in its prime year 26 in Michael Park. Yeah, man. I mean, okay, so I have a feeling where you're going with this, or how you feel about it based on the way you just described that scenario yesterday. But is there any way to spin this positively for, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Can you be a contrarian here and say,

this is why it could make sense at some point? Sure. I mean, first of all, let's just slide one. You don't trade a pass-stressure for a nose gun, okay? Right? Yes. Can we agree on that? Yeah, of course.

Yeah, that's not to be disputed, okay? And Kenny Clark is a good player. He shouldn't be, you know, run down in any of the part of the You're going to chair the password for those parts. Kiddy Carter is not a narrow player to Mike Parsons, even though he's a solid guard. But the two first-round picks, the coppers have four picks in the top of 117 over the next two years.

Certainly, you can flip those more picks. You know, Jerry tried to compare it to the Hershey-Walker trade in 1989 when they take a Hersson-Walkers in Minnesota but Bush and a Picks and make them with the foundation of those title teams. This is not that, okay? this is certainly not that. But, yeah, there's hope for the future. The problem is, who cares about the damn future in dollars?

They have a one in 30 years. You pay them back to the top of the market $60 million. You pay a city lamb at the top of the market. The goal is to win now, isn't it? You would think so. It's not waiting for another couple of years for it to pay off, right? with these picks come. You want to win now.

So that's a tough part. But, yeah, you can spend it positively and talk about the picks, and now that's going to help build them and I can spin it to other picks and do whatever. But that's two, three years away, and the window for that is the next two or three years.

So, Clarence, you know, I love your, I love your Twitter bio. You talk about how you're a Cowboys writer since 97, through seven coaches, four playoff wins, countless scandals, controversies, and

unfulfilled expectations. So in all the stuff you've seen in Jerry's world over those many, many years you've been covering this team, like where does this affair, the Parsons' Affair and Ultimate Trade rank in terms of the shake-your-head moments?

Well, it's shocking because Jerry, you know, my first year on the B-Barris, I got arrested at the airport. Taking a grand train of this. You know, it was. was in the middle of the micro-living trial and I've seen

all this stuff but considering those people, personalities, his characters, the O.T., it was shocking, but it necessarily

wasn't surprising that, you know, that those stuff was happening. Jerry's never let a player he wanted to keep go. He's never let a player

in his crime go. A generation, they've always found the way to sign them. You know, you know, the only plans that, you know,

let go after playing where it was really, DeMarco Murray, and they didn't think he was a generational running back, which was food. But they don't generally let guys go like this, and they always find a way to figure it out. It's like they figure it out with Jack, and they figure it out with CD, and they figured it out with Des, and they figured out with Jack Martin.

They always find a way to figure out and keep his guys, you know, so shocking that he let his guy go, you know, and this is a guy that he bonded with. You know, he tried to get a micro-urban-type relationship with Michael Farms. They're trying to, he wanted Micah to be his Michael, which I can't call him Michael, or Michael Parsons all the time. Right. You know, he kept to have that 40,

so to speak. So it's, Jerry got mad. He got mad because Michael, Michael, excuse me, I'm doing it, did not, he thought Michael really didn't go to build their head.

He thought Micah was just loyal. Not Micah, you know, basically, they had a handshake deal, and he died. trust Michael. And he got mad and he made the trade because that was certainly not the plan coming in. And Gary was ready and willing to make him the highest paid non-quarterback. With Clarence Hill Jr. So you know, you know, everything there is to know about Michael Parsons, his career. You've covered him since day one. You've seen him. You know, I think he finished

second in defensive player of the year. Voting is a rookie. A double-digit stacks every single year of his career. If you're, if Green, if a Green Bay Packer fan calls you up, Says, Clarence, what are we getting here? And how much did this guy just improve our chances of chasing a Super Bowl? How would you answer that? Well, again, you got a generation of a player. You got a guy, you got your little Reggie White. How about that?

Are you old enough? Are they old enough to remember Reggie White going to Green Bay? Absolutely. Who's the old guy who came to Green Bay and took them to the Super Bowl? You got a guy that could be the missing piece to a Super Bowl one. You got a talented team. You got a quarterback. They got a talented lineback.

Andrew Cooper. Michael Parker and Edgar Cooper on that defense, they're going to be loaded, you know, and so you've got a potential missing piece to a Super Bowl run. God it can be a difference to make it for you. Again, you know, I bring up Reggie White, only Michael Parker and was Reggie White. Only Michael Parker is Reggie White in that 12th in that first four season

in their career. It ended up being a hard-of-end career for Reggie White. It looks like it's on that way for Michael Parker. So, Clarence, I mean, Where does the Cowboys fan find hope now? You know, judging from stuff I'm reading off of your social media feeds, there are a lot of people looking toward Columbus, Ohio, tomorrow for a certain guy who's going to be wearing the burnt orange of the Texas Longhorns and saying maybe the Cowboys

can get Arch Manning to be the savior of this lost era. What do you make of that? And how do you give a Cowboy fan hope? you know Cowboy fan Dallas fan People in Dallas are just It's like a gut punch

The same kind of year You lose Luca Donk You know Which shocked The world And shocked Dallas And they Had a hard time

You know You lose Michael Parsons You know It's two gut punches In a year Certainly people are talking about Arts But people don't know

Artz is going to stay Two years Art's not stay in one year And And even if you get arts, there's not a media. It's just a rookie quarterback. I mean, again, I talk about the drought, you know, and how long the Cowboys have to wait to get back to the Super Bowl?

And that's what you're doing. And if you're in the running for arts, that means that this thing is fell off the run with deck and you've been a bad team for a couple years. Well, we'll get you out of here with, I guess, the question about what you're covering tomorrow with Clarence Hill. junior who's in Columbus ahead of the biggest college football game of the decade

century, maybe. I mean, I've heard some people say the biggest game of all time. I don't know if I'm buying that, but you know, Arch Manning, how good is this kid in your opinion? And do you think Texas can hold on to that number one team in the country status throughout the year?

Well, first of all, I was that take the U.S.B. for the next championship game. That was the biggest game. You know, with Vince Young and Bush and all those, I'm a trophy winner. See Eisenman's trophy's winners on USC.

It was loaded teams. Yeah, this is anticipated. I'm a long one. I'm not here as a fan. I'm not here to work. I'm here to cover. But I follow along on to a lot. You know, everybody's excited about arts.

But, you know, he has a two starts in his career. I mean, it's on the coming. And the thing about art is that I think he's going to run his way. He came into Texas. They did not force him on the. the field. He got to learn behind Clinton years. They didn't force him as a freshman and he got to cook, he got to develop

and he should be ready to go. You know, he wasn't a force on the field to make plays as a freshman. He got a chance to watch a quarterback, an NFL quarterback, who made the Miami Dolphins roster, a guy who took the Texas to back-to-back playoff. He's got to watch him handle the media, handle

third and 14, handle all this stuff and learn from him, but now it's his turn. And so, you know, again, he is legacy of the Manning's, and he certainly has uncles to lean on, and granddad to lean on the top of football, and certainly Sharp, he needs with the Texas to be

developed by Sark. And so it's his time. It's his time, and it's kicking off tomorrow at noon. You'll be there. Enjoy it, Clarence. Really appreciate the insight. Thank you for those. Thank you, guys. Clarence Hill Jr., Cowboys writer for DLL Sports,

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