OverDrive - Naylor on Brady's comments on Scheffler's views, the legacy in the league and NFL training camps outlines

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

TSN Football Insider Dave Naylor joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines around the NFL, the routes across the league for training camps, Tom Brady's comments on Scottie Scheffler's views on putting family over golf, the legacy in the NFL, the Steelers' direction for the season, the 49ers looking for a bounce back and more.

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I woke up in Washington this morning. Oh, you were in Washington this morning? Yeah. Okay, so you got out of Baltimore. You went down there to do a hit and you basically left. We were down, we went Sunday. We did the commanders on Monday in Baltimore yesterday afternoon.

And then we, Baltimore practiced at 1, 30, so they didn't wrap up till day. It was too late to get out. It was interesting, Washington moved their practice to 8 a.m because of the heat and so like coaches availability was at 7 30 they're off the field at 9 30 we're taping our hit at 10 in the morning that's amazing that's like a spring training skid like there's no better schedule than being a veteran in baseball oh yeah where you show up you're like listen and they basically indicate how it's gonna work. Yeah. Like if you're if you're a guy that's been in the league for 10, 12, 15 years like I will be there at 7, I'm gonna stretch, I'll hit the cage, I'm gonna do a couple of things, I

have a tee time at 940. I will be out of here. Well and it's funny because you know during the time I've been doing NFL I got not that long I remember two days like teams practiced from 9 to 11 and 2 to 4 you know or something and of course the reporters all had to hang around but like NFL most of them the Steelers was kind of interesting because Mike Tomlin purposely moved their practices to afternoon because he said last year they there wasn't enough heat right there too soft last saw and he without being asked when I was there last week and it was it was hot without being asked about it was there last week it was it was hot

without being asked about it he made a point in his post practice thing of saying i thought the heat really helped us today we were better we were sharp there but i don't i'm i think you could win a game in january cuz you practice about middle of the sun and i'm not a crazy as i have a heart of a real gun like there's if that happens in hockey there's guys him in in ha and guys are pitching about it like how does that go over with the football player dynamic are those guys

bitching about it the same way i'd i didn't catch any of that they you know they all kind of just you went along with it and they had i think in with the head coach lays a line down like that for training camp it's kind of like yes that she would it's the idea that it's it's done with the mandate that we're going to be tougher and better rates a challenge challenge challenge yeah like last year we we let you off the hook and

we allowed you to basically prepare for the season in adequate weather now we're gonna really challenge i would love to hear somebody from the sports science world tell you that you can get better by practicing in it that's it's just it's uh... it is an old-school football mentality alright like we're gonna put you through pain. Yeah, absolutely. And it is the polar opposite of what they're gonna see in December and January, yet, you

know, it is, it's uncomfortable. Like that feels like a very Belichick type of play. Yeah. You know, and what I've witnessed throughout, you know, my years following the NFL and, you know, as a Packer fan, I've been tracking their camp and they've put a real emphasis on physicality and getting much tougher And that was always the Belichick way like the secret sauce obviously yet Brady and we'll get to Brady in just a moment He had an interesting quote and I guess piece of advice for scotty Scheffler. I'm curious how you stand on that But what Belichick always believed in was we have to be

tougher than the other team and we have to be nasty you've the intimidation counts and this is I guess a form of that forcing your players to be uncomfortable and proving that it's not going to affect them well I'll tell you a more dramatic example of that that we saw last year when we were at Detroit's camp Davis Sanchez and I were there and Davis is just freaking out because they're running like drills tackling guys to the ground in August. That's old school. Well I don't Did they do that old school? Maybe they didn't even do that. Yeah like Davis would just say I've never seen this before. Wow. Guys being hit in the backfield and like taken

to the ground. Now I don't want to draw any parallels with that and the rash of injuries that the Lions had. I don't know if that's how they practiced all year, but it was, it was like it stood out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a part of it, right? Like it's every, every sport is a different surface. So that's the beauty of football is that you can't predict the weather and the elements. Yeah. Like Frankie, you might prepare in hockey for it being different on the road compared to being at home.

Like, that's something you might, maybe you practice and it's loud. You blare music so that you have to get comfortable with that. But even that, Hayes, that doesn't even really happen, man. It's all kind of boilerplate stuff. The only thing that you would do different, maybe, in hockey is if you're doing special teams and you're on the power play, the coach might tell the penalty kill, we're not doing our penalty kill today, we're

doing the senator's penalty kill today. Because the power play has been struggling and this is what they got to see. It's pretty much it, man. Practice has been dropped to like, it's like 40 minutes, but it's hard now in the NHL. This is the reason why I think guys are having like hip issues, wear and tear issues. It's not like you go out for practice and you go for a spin, a couple flow drills, maybe some special teams and get off. It's like they want you going hard for 40 and get out of there.

And I don't know, maybe there's some teams in football that think the same way. Just like we got to practice harder. Well, you can only practice so hard because we don't want to be so different when it comes There's some teams in football that think the same way just like we got to practice harder Well, you can only practice so hard but because we want it We don't want to be so different when it comes to the game, right? Yeah, it's it's constantly evolving and every coach Obviously has a different viewpoint. I just referenced Belichick and I'll do it again because he used to like be Seeking out rain. I remember reading about that like oh bad weather. We're practicing outside Yeah, like not we're not going into protect you guys you gotta get used to this because guess what on sunday the rains were not going inside your plan

to two years ago i was a houston texas camp and i called them in the mornings it was a hundred and seven are you guys inside or outside outside hundred-and-seven and they had they had like a tent sprayed cool mist craze or the reporters could like watch five plays and they had they had like a tent that sprayed cool mist crazy so that reporters could like watch five plays and then go stand in the mist for

30 seconds and that's what you're doing that's wild could just stand out I got dangerous stuff it is dangerous 107 yeah dangerous but that's that's it's like the psychological buildup is a part of it Dave Naylor in studio Frankie Corrado art I want to read these quotes from Tom Brady. Tom Brady was doing an interview with The Source, I believe it was, a magazine. And he was asked about Scotty Scheffler's comments prior to the Open Championship where Scotty had said, this is not a fulfilling life, you know, it's just not fulfilling in the sense of accomplishment. And he went on to say his priorities are his family and his faith and golf is clearly a third and

Brady seemingly has taken offense to this and responded by saying quote Scotty said he'd rather be a better father and husband than a good golfer my question is why are those mutually exclusive sure they're different blocks on the pyramid but they're both part of the same pyramid they're connected for instance I think part of being a great father is being a great example of doing what it takes to take care of your family I chose to do it by playing football my dedication to the sport the hours of practice the moments when I was laser-focused Those were times when I believe I was doing the best possible thing for my family and my kids by Prioritizing my profession and teaching by example what it takes to be a really good at your job, what it takes to

follow through on commitments, and what it takes to be a great teammate and showing them also by example that work is a big part of all of our lives." That's what I read into this and you guys tell me if I'm right or wrong on this and I'll bet you Brady's not alone they took offense to Scheffler claiming basically what I think he took it personally that you what Scheffler was saying was Tom Brady freaks like Brady they're not good parents they're not good husbands they're not good people they're just all they do is put everything into their career and he's not alone there's a lot of professionals in every single sport that

I'll bet you heard chef when saidwin said shut up dude like don't don't think you're better than me and I'm not surprised this is his stance. Well like trying to qualify for a career where clearly he put his career first and he's admitting to it right here but claiming he did so intentionally because he thought it was for the best interest of his family life. And look, I believe that what Tom Brady said would apply certainly to the first two-thirds of his career. I'm not sure it applies to the last third.

Like, after you had 200 million in the bank, I'm not sure you're saying you're doing it for the family. Right. Right? And after you've, you know, and the commitment that the NFL takes it, and I'm not trying to disparage any of these guys that want to play into their 40s in the commitment that the NFL takes it. And I'm not trying to disparage any of these guys that want to play into their 40s in the NFL, but there is something,

and this is something that makes athletes great, and it also makes them different than the rest of us. And Frankie, you can jump in on this when I say this. When Tom Brady was in his 40s, and he made more money than most people ever, and he'd won five Super Bowls, he could have done anything in life anything the entire planet right every continent and what did he want to do win another Super Bowl now I'm not sure that's

actually the balanced rational choice but it's his choice because that's the way he's wired and that's the way he's been he's been living but I don't know that it's like Tiger Woods playing golf why is Tiger Woods still playing golf? You're the greatest golfer of all time. You're a billionaire now. You're a billionaire. You were golfing on the Mike Douglas show when you were two. Anything else you'd like to do?

Yeah, no, but that's the purpose. That's your purpose. They don't want to do it. That's your purpose. That's your purpose. That's what you've done since you were a kid. You're wired to do the same thing, whether it's hockey, golf, football, you've been doing that same routine, it's changed along the way and you got yourself to the apex and you're like, I don't know anything different. I don't want

to know anything different. This is what I love doing and this fills me with my purpose. And I think there's so much gray area when it comes to this conversation because Tom Brady is not wrong you can be a great dad and you can be a great athlete and you can put your heart and soul into both and Being a great example at work is something that your kids will see but if it spills over into all of a sudden you're away for work and You're at the facility all day and then I got to fly to a movie premiere or I gotta go start doing like frivolous things and it's like okay I think that's where you can say it maybe slips a little bit but as far as like

Scotty being at the range all day practicing that's I think I think Tom Brady's right about that like you're you're trying to be the best that you can possibly be at what gives you purpose in life outside of being a father. That's fine man. Yeah, I think the other reaction that Brady is putting forth here is that he can't comprehend what Scottie's saying in terms of like, you're at the top of your game. Almost you know what I would do to go back to be 28 again? Like Brady's basically saying, I give it all up to go do It again all of it because I how could you possibly?

Intimate that you would leave this you're the man. You're the number one player in the world You've worked this hard look who you are And I think that's why Schaeffler's comments got the reaction it got why they're so unique Because in sports in particular we are so accustomed to these because in sports in particular we are so accustomed to these again just freaks of nature Brady at the forefront of that Tiger at the forefront of that LeBron James these guys who we've known since they were like teenagers in Tigers case like you said seems it was like three or four years old LeBron since he was 12 or 13 and it all they know is I got a work work work, work, play, play, play.

I got to win, win, win. And Schaeffler bucked that trend. Well, being unbalanced. Now we'll see if he follows through on that, too. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to actually do it. But being unbalanced in your priorities is part of what leads to greatness. Like if you actually, if you take anybody who's been really great at sports, if they weren't obsessive, they never tap their potential.

There may be guys, it's funny, there was a, I remember there was a Sports Illustrated article years ago about Larry Walker. And the premise of the piece was Larry Walker grew up, meh, on baseball. He was a hockey goalie, got cut from the Regina Pats when he was 17. Went, okay, you know, I got my other sport, I'll try that. And he won an MVP, went to the Hall of Fame. And the premise of the piece was kind of, how did Larry Walker become the best hitter at baseball, kind of doing it,

you know, eh, while every kid in America is trying to, you know, be the next great hitter? And those guys are rare, right? And I'm not, I don't, no, pretend to know Larry Walker's story, but the point was he was not an all-in baseball guy most of his life before he became a professional, and yet still managed to hit. That's rare.

That is very rare. That is very rare. And that's more of a kind of nonchalant attitude to be respectful towards the craft. Now who knows what else he's doing in his that's the that the amazing thing about these brady commons is that again he's i'd i'd think he takes offense to show her stories take because he's taking that as an attack yeah like shefflers basically yes he's speaking of golf but you could apply to any sport

and he just says not fulfilling it's not what should matter and he wasn't lecturing because he was talking internally was talking about himself and his own life he wasn't saying he's not what i want to know shouts the way he sees it totally but if you are a guy like brady you know when obviously was over obsessed with his craft you know and there were reports at the end that maybe just also can you stop playing and he's like i'm playing

and they're not together anymore right and maybe that was a part of the reasoning was because Tom's like I'm going back to play and you know there's like you look at Tiger and his like like it's and these are the the cream of the crop but Scheffler's played himself into that and that's why his comments ring out so much and why a guy like Brady would even react Brady's not reacting to Scott you know gutter up comments no you know what I mean or the best player in the world. Yeah, he's not commenting on it on the 75th player in the world commenting on what he should be doing with his work-life balance. He looks at Scheffler as one of him. He looks, he

sees himself in Scheffler and I think he's like, what are you doing? I can't, how do I, I can't comprehend what you're even talking about right now and Keep in mind right like if you want to be what Brady was or even what Crosby is right now Like pushing late 30s up you want to compete with the guys that are coming up like the young 22 to 25 year olds Guess what you can't like skip training sessions You can't you know half-ass it you have to be all-in committed the same way you were when you were in your 20s or there's no point in you even doing it. So Brady had to do it. Crosby's got to do it. And Scheffler's young, but he'll get to a point where if he wants to maintain status at the highest level, like the way Brady did in football, he's going

to have to commit the same way he is right now because he's winning and there's probably a lot of work and you would know there's a ton of work that goes into that behind the scenes he'll have to maintain that if you if he wants to maintain you know what those guys have done and did in their careers. Frank you don't have to name names but did you ever play with somebody in hockey who you saw their passion either for the sport or just being a professional hockey player and the lifestyle start to wane and maybe that you know crept into their game and they didn't get as long a run as they would have if they had been had the same passion you know when they were in their

early 20s you know what nail gun there's guys that honestly were in their mid 20s who hated hockey but we're just at it. Yeah. Right? And I think you can only get to a certain level if that's your personality. Guys, they didn't want anything to do with hockey outside of playing it. Didn't watch it, didn't want to talk about it, had no idea what was going around the league. They just knew that we practice tomorrow and we fly out and then we play the next day and that was it. Whereas someone like Crosby, who I saw for a brief period of time, there was no gym session or optional skate or practice too small for him.

It was like he was all out for every single thing that he was doing and sure enough, yeah, he's super skilled, he's gifted, but he's also the hardest working guy at any given moment so that's what you get. Well, and that is another part of this that sticks out that I think Brady's talking about. And I think he is speaking of this honestly, and I think he's got a case to make that I might describe it as why you're like obsessed or you're crazy or you're so competitive which is true but he also has an incredible work ethic like in order for you to be Tom Brady, Tiger Woods, Sidney Crosby, Michael Jordan, you have to work so hard you know like there's there's videos of Wayne Gretzky out there and

Dustin Johnson talking about it like Johnson's obviously the son-in-law and he's you know when you first met Wayne and you're with Wayne what did he always say he's like you got to work harder than everyone else you got to practice like you got to be on it well and I think that is probably where Brady's looking at this as well he's like dude you what are you talking about well you have to be crazy in terms of gym practice workout that you got to be thinking about this constantly if you want to be at the top well think of the one thing that separates Tom Brady from

a lot of the other names. We've talked about Tiger Woods, Sidney Crosby, LeBron. He came from the back of the pack as a professional. Like LeBron was identifiable at 12. Right. I'm sure Sidney Crosby was identifiable at 9. Yes. Given the early... These were phenoms. Yeah, Tom Brady was not identifiable Until Drew Bledsoe got hurt in 2001 I mean it was obviously played at Michigan and he was a sixth-round draft pick but nobody saw a stardom in fact, I covered the first Brady Super Bowl and it was my first Super Bowl I ever covered and You know, it's hard to it was a completely different view of Tom Brady

He almost seemed like like a college kid, you know Who'd been thrown into the mix of the biggest sporting event in North America, right and and made good on it But I remember reading the story after that season where Brady was basically saying I am absolutely Determined to make sure I'm not a one-hit wonder that I'm not gonna be a footnote in the NFL where it says Remember who won the Super Bowl for the Patriots in 2000 remember who the quarterback was and that was bled so it wasn't bled so it was this Tom Brady kid it was a sick he started the game and they won right oh he was gonna be he was gonna be around forever and that was a serious conversation about

whether Tom Brady was just a blip because it is he he really is unparalleled when you when you think of the draft position like most of the superstars i mean and i'm talking about great players i'm talking absolute they're identifiable long before they'd get become professionals yet tom brady wasn't it was not in your experience how quickly do the guys like there's talented quarterbacks that get drafted every year right in the guys that are just doing it for the paycheck that just show up, how quickly do those guys get

weeded out especially in the NFL? I think extremely quickly. I mean it because the whole thing about quarterbacks even you know we see this even when we're talking about guys who are advertised as the finished product by the time they come out of college like say Caleb Williams right there's a there's an enormous development role and a lot of it is commitment like in hockey I think you can get better by playing right because you play 82 games you practice but you also get better by playing in football you know because they only play so many games you're not going to play unless you're good so sometimes sometimes you have to develop in the meeting room in practice that's your primary development place far more than in playing in games, where in other sports like

baseball and hockey, I think you've got so much volume of games, you can improve just by playing. And certainly there's some degree of that is football as well. So it's not only just that you've got to love it and you want to work at it, it's like you've got to work at it on the five days when there isn't a game. I always say that part of the reason I always believe football players love football more than any athlete's love their sport is it's the only one that you've got to practice five times for every time you play it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no kidding. And be committed to that. So that's the part I think that really, you've heard the joke right, football players say you know you

wouldn't have to pay me to play you just got to pay me to practice. Yeah. And that's the part that really in football requires the commitment and you're right, when you're talking about quarterbacks, I mean, and I, CFL, NFL, I hear the same thing, a lot of times, you know, we don't always report this stuff because it's hearsay and, but when you hear, right, guy's struggling, it's like, he's not putting in the time.

Mm-hmm. You know, he's not, there's optional meetings, he's not there, you know, he's not doing the extra film because there's the required stuff and there's the stuff you got to do to be great. That's the crazy. That's the truth of it, man. And in sports in particular, you know, it is even more noticeable. Uh, but in football, you know, it's, it is crazy how you hear stories of guys showing up at the facility at four 30 in the morning, you know, and leaving at midnight on a Tuesday during the season. It's an obsessive sport.

Yeah, MLB, Roy Halliday, remember hearing stories about him? He was showing up at 430 in the morning, working out, leaking by the time anyone even got to the facility. Yeah, and you've got to be self-driven. You've got to have a passion for doing that. There's a guy, and I'll mention who said it to me one time is Jesse Lakata who played at Penn State get from Ottawa who's now an NFL free agent they give maybe back in a camp and not too long he said to be great at sports and maybe he was talking about

football he maybe met in general he said you have to fall in love with boredom mm-hmm and that's that's hard for a lot of people yeah well and that's the thing like you look at a guy like Brady and a guy like Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, like again the the kind of the guys at the top, the freaks of nature that did it all, that had it all, because you hear a lot of athletes say like you know I'm not gonna miss playing I don't miss this I don't miss that I miss being in the room with the guys or I miss being on the bus I don't think that's the case for those guys. No. They miss playing. Yeah. Like Brady wants a two minute drill in the Super Bowl

more than being back on the bus with Gronk and the boys. Like he can live without that. That'd be cool too. Tiger Woods put him back on the first tee at Augusta with the lead on Sunday. That's what he wants. He doesn't want to be in the clubhouse having beers. And the thing I always wonder about this

is when you've done those things, what else do you do in life that ever gives you that experience? You'll never find it again. That's the truth. And that's why I think it's kind of depressing when you think of it. And I think a lot of guys, Frankie, you can speak to this, have a difficult time transitioning back into the real world because you're never going to get that again. Everything's on the line.

You're playing in the Super Bowl Cup final, you know, US Open, you got the lead. You can't, nothing will replicate that. Nothing's gonna do it. That's like the one, that's the one extreme, right, Hayes? Like does, even just the bare minimum of stepping onto the ice for warmup and the music starts playing and you hear that little cloud,

like that little rise out of the crowd, even something like that, you're like, you're never gonna get that again. Never. And that's like the bare minimum. Right, exactly. Like warm up is the bare minimum. To say nothing of scoring the game winning goal

or winning in overtime and celebrating with your team and everything that comes with it. It's an incredibly unique job that is quick. You know, it's quick, man. You got 10 years if you're lucky. Well, I always hear some guys say in football, the one of the things when guys retire from football is they never play again.

Like hockey? Yeah, pick up, you know, baseball. But in football, like you never play contact football again. You're a left tackle, you're never doing this again. You're never doing this again. Yeah, you're not blocking T.J. Watt ever again. Ever again. With Dave Naylor in studio. So of the research you've been doing, you've seen teams now up close and personal, do you have a read on where you think the

NFL season's going? Do you have a team that you you think is the team worthy of watching this year? I'll tell you the team that sometimes you when you start to pull back the layers and you go to camp and you talk to other reporters who have been with that team and you certain teams become more intriguing to you than you they might have thought on the surface and to me the Steelers are that team and like not just because of Aaron Rogers like that's that part is is obvious it goes without saying that doesn't hurt that yeah that doesn't and thank you for Aaron Rogers for walking up to the microphone scrum after his uh...

after his first practice in safety as an issue that we have some of the got a little bit of the news for you know that that was really awesome uh... but but it's look at the steelers adding john new smith on a team that already has pat fryer but now they've got to high-volume tight ends in that often and decay metcalf.

And so it's like, wow, this is all of a sudden a very different team. Like in terms of not just the quarterback, but the kind of offense they're gonna run. And then you've got the dynamic where you've got Aaron Rodgers who likes to take the ball in the shotgun, likes to survey the field. You've got Arthur Smith and kind of the stealer tradition

that likes to ground and pound. So where's that gonna sort of saw off? And then defensively, you know, they've had Minka Fitzpatrick as their safety and their takeaway the deep ball guy, and they swapped him for Jalen Ramsey, and they've got Darius Slay. Right. And Porter Jr. And Porter Jr. So the sense is that like the Steelers are going to basically be willing to play a little more risk at the deep end of the field because

they're watching the trend in the NFL, which is, you know, really moved more to throws around the line of scrimmage first 10 yards, get yack. That's become the game more than it has become bombs away. And all these guys are also versatile. So you've got, you know, the same team and the same coaching staff It's not coming off a terrible year, right? They were in the playoffs Yeah And yet they're gonna be really different this year and you can talk yourself into the fact that the Steelers are gonna be good Yeah, or maybe better. I think they will be to me. I think that tough division for sure

I want to take you like way far away from Pittsburgh go to the NFC What's a reasonable expectation for the 49ers this year? This is the year Brock Purdy's contract is kicking in. He's making the big money now. What can we expect? Because it wasn't good. It was 6-11 last year. You get my dude Farhan Lodgy on the phone. He was just there last week, so you'd better answer on that. Didn't love him. I don't think Farhan loved what he saw. I think there's still questions about Purdy right like it's I mean they had it's not quite the Daniel

Jones situation where you know you got to pay him and you kind of hold your nose and do it and pray and it didn't work out for the Giants but I think there's there's that boy and it's funny just saw Devo Samuel in Washington the other day so yeah I look at they would I don't think they're that far away, but I think they are a team that has a much smaller margin of error than they had not that long ago. I think they're in trouble, man. They were last in the NFC West last year. They've, you know, you saw it coming because they spent a lot of money the last couple of years and Purdy was making nothing. Yeah. And now it's flipped. Yeah. Purdy's making a lot and they don't have money to keep the guys that they wanted to keep you still have Warner you still have both so but they're not young guys anymore and McCaffrey is like every year trust them every year that he plays.

Yeah, it because like at some point, people just going to give up on you can't trust you can't trust them and that division. I really like the Rams. They were great in the second half. They're like the sleeper team this year. Big time, man. That young defense, they were electric down the street. They were the team that really jolted Philly more than anyone else in the playoffs. Arizona, Murray scares me a little, but they've been building something down there. And if Darnold plays like he did last year, Seattle, they can win 10 or 11 games. I think the Niners are the worst team in the NFC West I remember the season we all sudden realized that the Niners might miss the playoffs because you come out of a Super Bowl right it's so good for so long and Shanahan's got that or you just kind of

like well like it's not a question there was a point the season where you're like this team might miss a playoff yeah six wins I think last year unreal yeah unreal I remember they came to Buffalo, got smoked in the snow when Josh Allen and Sean McDermott were doing snow angels. That's right. And Allen, I think he came out of the game in the second half. It was such a blowout. McAfee got hurt.

It was a nightmare for them. That was ugly. But Purdy, now you're getting paid, man. Now it's you're no longer Mr. Irrelevant and all that. No, it's different. It's different in perception. It's different in pressure. And as you point out, Hay No, it's it's it's it's different. It's different in perception It's different in pressure and it says you as you point out Hayes. It's different in the salary cap big time So different he can afford his rent now. So that's nice for him. Yeah, that is that is nice

Shout out to Brock Purdy it is amazing how quickly stuff changes, right? Like even being a bills camp and my first year doing the bills in this incarnation was three years ago And I remember Christian Benford was a sixth round pick out of Villanova now he's making 23 million a year. Pretty good. Pretty good. In three years. Yeah I know. You go from like NFL minimum that's what a sixth round would be. Yeah. The 23 million a year. Those are the cool stories like they're obviously you focus on the big guys and the stars and of course especially fantasy being so prominent now but you get some guy that was a sixth or seventh you know rounder

or you know undrafted free agent that started on the practice squad and all the sudden and he gets paid you're like what a story. Well it is funny because the Bills so funny because that same year they took Kyrie a limit same position in the first round probably the worst bust in Brandon Beans tenure. Same draft they take a corner in the sixth round who's a top ten corner in NFL. So are the Bills good or bad at scouting corners? Right, exactly. There's a lot of, boy I'll tell you though, being down there at the Ravens camp, man have they hit on draft.

They're good. Holy smokes. They're really good. Eric DeCosta, picking up from Ozzie Newsom, they have just hit and hit and hit and hit. Well the best teams, that's what they do. They draft, develop, you know they don't focus necessarily on free agency. will don't delve in but not trades in free agency necessarily it's not a bill from within the draft develop and then pick the ones are going to keep

that you're really really good at you can't keep a mall yeah exactly at baltimore there they're going to be a really cool thing really good thing all right now going great senior man have good to be a studio thanks for doing yeah we got to do this more often whenever you're around is let us know. Absolutely. We're here. I'll drop in. I know where you are. You know where we are. There he is, Dave Naylor, a TSN football insider. to Beyond, the hottest gaming news, insight and industry leaders, and more weekly. Join me, Naomi Kyle, and stay ahead of the game with all the latest updates, even if you're a total newbie.

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