OverDrive - OverDrive - April 2, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! Hockey Hall of Famer and Stanley Cup Champion Chris Pronger joins to discuss the mindset towards the playoffs, the physicality aspect and the Maple Leafs' team stance. The guys go around the sports world in the latest edition of OverDrive Arbitration.

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tracking the jays as well easton lucas out there pitching a gem they might sweep the nationals here everything's moving and shaking in the right direction your boy vladdy is not exactly ripping the cover off the ball still has not hit a home run his numbers are not great they're okay but not great it is a question that like it's early it's so early to that i don't care i change my number from ross or mark just change now so now i'll tell you if he sends marks a power tax and let's lock it in five hundred million right now absolutely not absolutely that's great you would say absolutely not for to flatty or vice versa bloody wouldn't change his number

I'm not if a guy hits 20 dingers like what are we talking about here 20 home running? You're gonna hand him a check for 500 million. It's game Seven of the season I know pro sports 55 games There's a lot of games left a week ago you you were going to hand this guy $450 million or whatever it was. What are you talking about? I was never handing anything to any... I'm not talking... You're playing the role of Mark Shapiro.

I'm not talking about you. I understand you have no power. I just told you what I'm going to do. Today I tied my shoes the way I want to tie them. That was ridiculous. And both of them, by the way, Noodle... That sickening behavior, dude. I was like... Ten years, no parole. Yeah, no. That's the the way, noodles. That's sickening behavior, dude.

I was like... Ten years, no parole. Yeah, no. That's the behavior you showed in your time. That's jail time. It is jail time. It should be. I had to untie my shoes to scratch my feet.

My feet were itchy. I put them up on a urinal and I tied both of them. I washed my hands and I walked out. Wait a minute. No, no. Slow down. You went for an itch on a foot in a bathroom? You took your shoes off in there and started scratching your grubby feet.

That's so gross. Like, it just... Do you know what? I guarantee you he took his sock off too probably to scratch his foot. Oh, for sure. This guy's... you're gonna lose a foot. Yeah, he's gonna have to gout or whatever it's called. Gangrene. This guy is... You think I would take... I have a massive problem. People are taking their shoes off all over the place and it's disgusting.

At the gym, you don't need to do squats in your grubby socks. Stop doing that. Stop taking videos. Enough of that. I just unlaced my shoes and I scratched the base of my ankles. And then on my way out I used the bathroom and I had to tie my shoes back up and I needed a little half step so up it went I tied them both I washed my hands and I went and went about running errands. It's just nasty.

I just don't think we need this in society. I don't think it should be perpetuated. I don't and it needs to be tracked right it's like this measles insanity that's happening now. Anyway, back to important things that we know of. No, this is important. Yeah, very. Stop promoting people using the urinal to tie their shoes. That's going to be an epidemic.

Stop it. There's going to be a problem. We can't continue this in society. Go ahead. Now continue with whatever you want to continue with. I'm changing my phone number, man. You, we, we. If you're Shapiro? Oh yeah, it. It's like we we because this guy's

going to come crying back begging, looking for money. I don't think so. Well, I think he's going to be okay. I'll talk to you guys in a month. I'll keep talking about it every month. So if through seven games, this guy had 10 home runs with a torpedo bat and was, you know, had a 1300 OPS. Do you call it? Does he call and say now I want the Soto deal and you give it to him I mean, it's you got to be reasonable here. We're it's seven games into the season. He's not off to a good start I do concern myself with the fact that he's had a yo-yo career like that's kind of been what he's great year

Okay, you're great. You're okay. You're with this negotiation there's all kinds of pressure points. If this guy has a subpar season you don't start looking around at people saying give me five and six hundred million dollars. Sorry it's just not the way it works. And I don't think anybody will give it to him. And I definitely wouldn't give it to him if I was the team that watched him do it all year. That I understand. I do think it's he is kidding himself if he thinks that money

is guaranteed regardless of how he plays. Yeah. If he hits 25 homers and he starts asking people for five and $600 million, it just doesn't work. It's not going to happen. There's no way he's getting that. I guess my question is there's always somebody out there like he's going to get paid what somebody's willing to pay him. If the Blue Jays are like, this is what we've hit our ceiling. He's going to free agency and you know that somebody's willing to pay him. The Blue Jays are like, this is what we've hit our ceiling. He's going to free agency and you know that somebody's going to go, he's 26 years old, I can see him hitting 35 for my organization, not that one. And that's where somebody's going to write him a check.

And when Mark Shapiro came out with those comments and he said, I know we're going to get this guy signed because I believe that we're aligned what I think he meant from that is I Think Vlad is production in the way. He plays this year is gonna show this Organization that the amount that we offered him is the proper amount. That's what he meant. I think you're Probably right. I think that was his assessment the way ship our generally operates is He's all knowing no one can outsmart him no one's got a better read on baseball

that mark and he's been in baseball for a long time he's got a phd and being a sports executive i mean he's not as a leader those traits are you suggesting they're your traits no yours no one can outsmart you don't want those more are quite a march are all the shows that there are a lot of our trip our who are you me yet who are you about mark shepard on their own judge don't care if you're in charge of their air and track your ship i wrote i thought you were to say you're out on the yes the jack of the i guess you're a tiny your tiny he's all of them on the

of your ship i wrote that fine i was thinking within the organization you okay and my aloha and roberto i was you're saying aloha and roberto he's not the good start al kirk is is plant pretty well may looks good out there uh... right arbitration later in the hour lease panthers tonight

uh... here's our good friend joining us on the maple toyota hotline long-time manager hall of famer there is chris pronger what's happened in prongs tonight. Here's our good friend joining us on the Maple Toyota hotline. Long time on each other. Hall of Famer, there he is, Chris Pronger. What's happening, Prongs? Not much, just in the midst of a tornado warning, big storm, but I understand you guys are getting pelted with some not too fun weather. Frozen rain. Dryden Ontario vibe outside right now. That's what it feels like. Do you ever go back there, Prawns? Do you go back in the summer or anything or no?

I've been back a couple times over the last three or four years, but a lot of my friends moved away. They either live in Winnipeg or they live down in Toronto or another or uh... don't know who lives in canara now this kind of moved all over the place well we got a big hard to get away together as you know i hear you we hear that's that's life as you get older unfortunately it's the truth but it does feel like hockey weather still here we got a big one you know what the path is in town tonight

uh... and you know players on both sides pan lip service to it that it'll have a playoff field to it, etc. etc. Is that like how close can it actually get? It's not going to have a playoff atmosphere. It just it can't the physicality of the pace. But you've been in scenarios like this less than 10 games to go fighting for a position could play each other in the first round. how how how crazy energy wise physicality wise kind of hatred on the ice wise could we be expecting tonight well I would ask you why can't it I'd like to see him either see it if I'm either team I'm setting the tone if they do have a good chance of meeting each

other then this is the chance to set the record straight and explain to one side or the other exactly what this matchup's going to look like and how this series may play out. What would that be for Toronto prongs? For a team that doesn't run you over, they don't really fight, and they've not been known as a physical team throughout their history of this group, like what would they want to show Florida? That they can outpace them, that they can outskill them and make them pay in the power

play? What kind of message would you like to see from the Leafs? Or could you say? I would, yeah, I would just like to see just maniacal compete in the sense that board battles, not the physicality or the physical nature of the game, but more in just the will to win the puck battles and just want to control the puck, want to control the play, play more on offense, which I believe they would want to,

less in their own end, and just get on the attack more and not be so reactionary, whether it be to the physicality of Florida, the punches in the face, the face washes, all that type of stuff and just start now with the edict, we're just going to turn the cheek, we're going to play between the whistles and we're not going to get involved in the shenanigans that we've seen Florida do from time to time. So Prongs, you've been in these battles, you also were a master of getting in the head of an opponent.

So if you wanted to send a message, whether you're playing either for Toronto or you're playing for Florida, do you go after the big boys? Do you go after and it's, hey, I'll waste, like I'll take a two minute penalty for a slash letting the guy know like hey this is gonna be this is what you're gonna be in for either not only in this game but down the stretch and into the playoffs if we see you you kind of you try and send that message like physically you were a guy that wasn't shy to to take a penalty and send a message yeah I think the loss of Matthew Kachuck here really hurts Florida, and he seems to set the tone for that team from that aspect.

You can have Bennett play a physical brand. Now with Marsha on there, he can be doing a lot of that in the absence of Matthew Kachuk. But I think if you're Florida, you're sending a tone, OK, we're the Stanley Cup champions. We're going to get our swagger back. They were on a nice little run, and they've kind of been a little lackadaisical, for lack of a better term, over the last 10 or 15 games since the Four Nations.

They've had some good games, and they've had some lackluster games. And I think if you're them, you're kind of really sitting there thinking, okay, we've got to really turn the tide here. No Eklad, no Kachuk. You've got Seth Jones in the mix and trying to get him acclimated and really solidify his role within the team. So they've got some question marks that they really need answered.

Prongs, back in the day when you were sending messages hurting people's arms and things, did Billy McCreary or anyone ever come up to you and say, nah, let me watch you stick tonight. You've been seeing some stuff that's been going on back there that's a little bit egregious. Did any of those guys ever say anything or was that just standard business protocol back there? I think it was so egregious that it was more just,

it got to a level, it got to a level where they were just like, okay, that's enough, and I'm like, okay, okay. And if I felt like it was the time and place to maybe go cross that line now and not listen to the official and maybe take that penalty or really send that message, then I might really say, all right, he, the referee understands the line I'm on right now, so I'm just gonna cross it and make this guy

that maybe wants to stand a little too close to the crease or may wanna try to park himself in an area where I don't really want him to be, I'll take a two. But as a forward, I have to tell you, I would go up to the ref and show them my throbbing wrist and fingers and say, that's what maybe layoff that stuff means.

My hand's broken and you're telling the guy to maybe lay off a little bit. I'm like, how about a five minute major or a two minute minor? I remember a time in Philadelphia during the, right before the playoffs, my first year somebody came in the front of that so i'm like i i started cross-checking them in the low back and then my six slowly started creeping up and right about the time i got about to the shoulder blades the referees like that's too high and that your eight cross-checked

uh... i i remember being in the net one time because it would be pronger and then it would come out, it's McInnis. And Al was sneaky dirty too. Oh, he was no angel either. He came across as Mr. Slapshot guy. That guy was dirty. He was fish hooking a guy in the corner.

He had his finger in his mouth and was fish hooking him, at richard trotche that the guy had slashed him and meanwhile he had his finger like basically twisting his head off and yelling for the guy to get a penalty like that so you see that every shift in st louis between these two guys it was a penalty every shift that's really what it was well i'm gonna call it every shift. So exactly. It's only you got to put the whistles away at some point. And I'm sure you ran into other teams that were willing to play that game too. And I'm curious how you would feel about that prongs.

Like, I'm sure you'd love to send a message and the guy gets it. He's like, all right, I'm not coming by the crease anymore. I'm not going to battle for you in front of in the corner or wherever it is. But when you face your steepest competition back in the day and you knew they were coming back for you, I mean, what was that like to maybe be on the other side of it? Where it's like, you'd be hacking a guy, hacking a guy,

and that guy was like, all right, I'm getting you this time. Like, did you feel like you had to, you knew it was coming or what? It's a process. It's a process, and ultimately, you know, the top guys, the power forwards of that era, they're going to push back. They're not just going to stand there and take it.

There's going to be moments they're going to try to get you in the corner in front of the net, turn the tables as you suggested, but it is a war of attrition. And ultimately, over a long seven game series, my goal was to try to wear on you, grind on you, and slowly see you move from the top of the blue paint to the hash marks, to the top of the hash marks, to then the top of the circles, and then by that point I've done my job and you can go stand out there. With Chris Pronger, in terms of that war of attrition and how much energy is necessary to get up for the playoffs every single year. Where do you stand on Florida finding that energy

and finding that kind of exuberance and the ability to start fresh and do it again considering they've been to two straight cup finals? Well, I think that's one of the reasons why we don't see so-called dynasties in this era. It is so incredibly hard to win the Stanley Cup. They were fortunate enough, they got right back on the horse and were able to accomplish it, albeit it looked like

it was slipping away in Edmonton for a little bit and then pulled it back in game seven back in Florida. But I think you get new bodies, you kind of turn over your roster a little bit, you put players in different roles and positions to kind of keep it fresh, but they still have the same stall where it's the same key guys. It's a lot of the third and fourth line guys, the younger guys coming up that are maturing and developing that take on bigger roles.

They've now got the experience of whether they went to that first cup final or they were part of the team last year and and really have a unique understanding of what it took to to be successful and ultimately when the uh... the cherished prize the stanley cup are they your your pace car still in the east of the the the team you think is you know best suited for a cup run uh... well they they've got

arguably the best center to a center in the game bark off uh... my question mark would be their health you know what's the mindset of erin black lead when he comes back from a suspension how how healthy is matthew kich to be come playoff time? They're a different team when he's not in the lineup.

Again, as I mentioned earlier, the addition of Marshawn helps. And once he gets a little more acclimated and more familiar with their system and style of play, albeit it's fairly similar to Boston and the physicality nature, but there's still new teammates and systems that you've got to learn. I don't know. I probably wouldn't pick them.

Three years in a row going to the finals, that's a lot of tax on the body. I'm not sure. We've seen how many injuries they've accumulated, not only last year in the cup run, but now this year. I think it'll be a fresh face, to be honest with you. I think Dallas will turn the corner. I think the whole Ranton and things kind of taken out of Lightfoot's zone, and now they look like they're starting to find some chemistry and figure out what he's going to do in their

lineup. Sometimes it's an adjustment for the coach with a player like that trying to figure out where he fits in the power play. You don't want to disrupt all the chemistry that you had. They were humming on all cylinders and now they kind of lost a step after that transaction. So we'll see how they do. Colorado looks good. I think it's a question mark how well can they play defensively.

And then Washington, they just keep humming along. It is incredible to see their young guys, how they've developed. Obviously we're on a Ovechkin watch, but you look at some of the players, they just added Leonard and they're adding guys nonstop to young, youthful presence to the lineup that they're getting quality goal-tending. Their defense core really seems pretty solid back there, so it'll be interesting to see how they do.

Their matchup in the first round might be Ottawa, it might be Montreal, so we'll see how that plays out. Where do you stand on this reality of what's going to happen here with Ovechkin? He scored again last night, he's four goals off setting a new record. what's going to happen here with Ovechkin. He scored again last night. He's four goals off setting a new record. It's going to happen, I think, likely this year, if not early in the next season. I think it happens this year. Yeah, it looks, it feels like it's going to happen.

He's getting way too many chances not to score four goals. Wide open, like last night, he's got a nose for it. It just lands on his stick. It's wide open cage. But you played against Gretzky.ky grew up as a canadian i'm sure kind of idolizing regret see was doing in the stats and you played against a veteran when he came into the league uh... this is this is a statistically eight ninety four i just never even

thought anyone would come close and here we are even close haze no exactly like when we got to be passed how it was like all right right, that's it. Like, see you later. Yeah. And Ovi's going to do it here. How do you put it into perspective, playing against both guys and having an understanding of the history of the game?

While you think of the consistency that it takes and the style of play that he has. Running guys and getting banged on in front. It's not like, yes he goes and stands in that spot and finds the quiet area, but he also, in other parts of his game, crashes the net, gets to the dirty areas, five on five play. So it's not like he's not banging bodies and taking a physical toll out there. And just, he has not missed very many games throughout his career, which speaks to the consistency in this record. You got to score 40 plus goals a year for 20 years.

It's incredible, man. And he had that little dip where he scored like 32, 34 in yeah, 34 and back to back years. And that was that was 15 years ago. And you think he's on the decline. Yeah. And he's just getting cooking at that point. He's hit 60, I think once in his career. But that's another thing. Like, let's get a different career.

But Gretzky had seasons where he scored 92 into the 70s, 80s like he. Right. Oh, he's just been like 50 every year for 20 years. You know, it's just, it's incredible. It's crazier than, I played in a alumni game with Mike Gartner, and we were just talking before we went out on the ice, and he asked me how many times I scored 30 goals. And I said, I think four times.

And I was like, what about you? He goes, 17. Yeah. Yeah. You guys scored 30 goals, 17 17 years and OVs like trump that like 40 goals for 20 years that's insane it's amazing yeah it's amazing well listen we'll see the least Panther game tonight we got a few games tonight we're getting close to the real stuff in a couple of weeks so it's gonna be a

good stretch run and I'm sure we'll catch up with you again real real soon thank you for doing this Chris we appreciate it yeah my pleasure thanks for having me good luck your leaf so dog there you go there he is Chris Pronger hockey Hall of Famer Chris Pronger joining us here the Maple Toyota hotline from Dryden Ontario never. Yeah, I think he goes back, you know, he's got There's gotta said he never goes back. I've been there with him. So he goes back It's way up north But it's it's four hours from like Winnipeg like it's closer to Winnipeg than it is anywhere else, right?

He had his bachelor party in Winnipeg. We didn't have it in Dryden We went into Winnipeg like it was the weirdest thing. All of his buddies, he has a buddy who has a huge Leafs fan who has a Maple Leaf tattooed on his chest. The Toronto Maple Leafs logo on his chest. That's commitment, man. That is commitment. I have a different word for it, but it is commitment. It's crazy too. It's a giant like maple leaf, and he's an awesome guy.

But his buddies are all in the Toronto area and stuff like that. He was a fascinating guy to watch in junior, man. He played with my brother in the Peterborough Peets. And I remember my dad saying, you've got to come and watch this new star that the Peets have. He's foregone in college and he agreed to play with the Peets. And he's six foot six and really thin and he's a defenseman. And I'm like, all right. So my dad used to drive up to Peterborough for home games on Thursday nights.

And to put eyes on this guy, you're like, wow, this is like, this is the superstar and he just, you watch him play and like this giant out there, really thin and lean and he just controlled the whole game. It was, it was amazing to watch. Crazy. And then the year after that, it just got better and better and he just turned into a monster out there. Hard trophy in Norris, same season, man. Six-six and size nine skates.

Yeah, and small feet. You would think that he would have size 17 feet out there. It was insane. Like, it was like a little bird. Like, he just, but I am biased. You guys know I'm 100% biased because I played with him and love him, but I think he was one of the best,

for a defenseman, one of the best first passes you've ever seen. Like he come around like he would always find forwards with speed in the neutral zone he was elite at that. I know Lidstrom and you know Niedemeier but like Ponger had this innate ability to just and keep in mind the red line there was a red line right so it wasn't two line passes stretching. You had to hit a guy. The people, Jamie, think that it's just a standard thing with defensemen where everybody just wheels around the net and finds somebody, they don't.

Watch and watch and you'll find guys ripping it off the glass, ripping it off the yellow, missing passes. Like, he was a special player. Very special, but mean as a snake too boy Like oh, yeah, and loved it too. Like that's the thing loved that. Yeah, you gotta have you gotta be wired that way, right? You gotta have that that kind of mentality where you're so competitive and you're also you just kind of hate your opponent And that's a throwback thing. You don't see much anymore in the sport is You know just you hate you just hate that other team

and yeah you know you see it it bubbles over a little bit in the playoffs and there's moments where certain players don't love each other but it used to be teams you played that team at any point you just hated that team like you just knew there was gonna be something was gonna happen like you could feel it it was a powder keg you know that that kinda energy in the building and energy in the league it doesn't really exist anymore

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It's gonna be a problem for them. It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous. Overdrive. Arbitration. I've been wanting to piece of them for years. You think we got a case? Your face is my case. Alright, arbitration. We haven't played this in a while. So we're gonna run through a couple of Arb cases.

And then I'll tell you what I kinda have going on here. Which is very similar to arbitration. It's a bit of a different spin on it. Just get on with it. We do the same segment every day. It's effectively very similar stuff. It's called something different. It's very similar.

It's people are stupid. It's very similar. All right. Max Scherzer walks into Arp and he has awarded 10 starts for the Blue Jays this season, but all of them will come with 100% health. So no thumb is connected to the wrist bone. You know, none of that. Like you got ten starts but you get ten Max Scherzer starts at a hundred percent. Should you take that or should you leave it and hope

for better? Dude, are you kidding me? Is this for real? He takes that and runs out the door naked because I don't think he comes anywhere close to this. This thumb thing, I got a bad vibe about it. I think it was a problem before he even showed up in spring training. I think it was a problem last year. I think it was a problem that teams were aware of and they stayed away from him, but the Jays took a chance and I don't know what this guy's going to be doing this year, but I don't think he's going to be playing a lot of baseball. To say that you blew your lad out because your thumb's all jacked up.

Well, he was worried about blowing his lad out. He didn't blow the lad out, but he could feel the lad. He was concerned about the lad. It was bubbling. It was bubbling. Yeah, the lad was bubbling. It was right there. There was concern about the lad.

But, okay. I'm leaving it. And I'll tell you why. Because I think they're looking at it and going, if he's not available even for two or three, they're going to be replacing him. And yes, you'd want 10 quality starts, 100%. But where are they? Are they early in the season? Are they late in the season?

Are they spaced out? Like to me, I think if they don't have him, they're going to have have to replace him I don't know who they do that with whether it's a trade whether but you have to move past him if you don't have that so I would take the chance that he can get healthy and you get more than ten in a rotation if not you got to move past it it's amazing like ten starts again if you're an everyday starter in this league you're gonna give 31 32 starts So we're talking about pouncing at the opportunity for a third of the amount of starts you're paying this guy But I think I think I'm gonna leave it because it's still so early in the season as well I mean, I'm gonna make on the quarter zone

Do you were just crushing the guy the other day and now you're going to leave. I wanted 15. I wanted 15. You're contradicting yourself. I wanted 15. I'm not contradicting myself. You are. Listen, 10 is just, that's a bit player. Even at 100% health, I don't even know what I'm getting.

It's almost like you're just hoping for innings out of this guy. Ten is just a small number. I did say I would probably pounce at 15. Maybe that's not enough for me to change my mind. It's also, I think what Noodle said, sells me on the idea that it's still so early in the year. When are these starts going to happen? Are you going to be able to spread them out?

Can you get some sort of consistency out of them? It's probably worth the gamble still because it's so early later in the year I would pounce on it right now you got to hope the court is on does something for Scherzer all right the Montreal Canadians have walked into arbitration they have been offered a playoff spot but a sweep in the first round dude a hundred percent taking it You see how much just playoff talk fires that crowd up after. Mark Denneed, by the way, does a fantastic job along with Frankie, along with Kenzie,

along with Mudrik, where he just lets it breathe a little bit and lets the crowd soak it in with the guy he's talking to. The playoffs would be awesome for that fan base. Second best in the National Hockey League. They're awesome. I'm leaving it. The playoffs would be awesome for that fan base. Second best in the National Hockey League. They're awesome.

I'm leaving it. You know why I'm leaving it is I think that they, if they get in, they feel that they can win a game. They can win games. They can actually do something. And, you know, I have to be consistent because I feel like the Rangers are going to get that spot but I could be wrong. Right now, right now, well, Columbus isn't going away either. I couldn't

imagine, now I didn't get to see it, I couldn't imagine what that building was like, the volume when Suzuki scored the tying goal and the winning goal yesterday. All I thought to myself is the roof must have come in off came off like I just I The the atmosphere in that building is amazing I we did a an Ottawa game a split, you know a double broadcast It was johnny and gourd and the other day maybe a couple weeks back The building it was a tuesday night and I think I told you guys it was like a nightclub in there Like it was insane. Oh, it's incredible Yeah, I'm so happy sense doing last night. Oh, well, they can't play Buffalo man They can't just Buffalo team. It's another we'll have a conversation the six o'clock hour about that

This Buffalo team is an enigma, but it By the way, watch out Buffalo's Buffalo's only nine points out. Watch out dude. Playoff season. They've won five of six now when they're out You know when they're up against this there. He and James Reimer is like Vezna caliber. I'm not lying. But anyways getting back to Montreal. It's a place to start I think if Kevin Adams looks and says I got to get a rock star net somehow some way It'll at least give us some hope because they're goaltending whatever they're throwing in there it ain't working and 31st in the national nonsense so I had getting back to Montreal I say I think you leave it because this is a team that is on a heater they're feeling it they're gonna

want more when I would leave it to be and I know you're playing with fire I get it that guaranteeing a spot goes a long way but they weren't even supposed to be in the hunt. So if you miss, it's heartbreaking. But I think if you get in and you get swept, that's a really deflating feeling. Getting swept in the playoffs is top 10. It's a really difficult pill to swallow. You're basically like, did we even do something?

What did we even do? Well, you played four extra games. That's all you have to do it yes i thought extra games that's all you did right for extra games and everybody i just think you need more of a launching pad punch your ticket getting which there the driver's seat to do you know you'll be a look at money pocket all that it's like fifty percent chance they're gonna get in no guarantees but they're a good place and i think you want to ride that wave and give yourself a chance to win games You know and compete in that first round and if it is Washington you're gonna play Washington, you know, there'll be a big favorite Washington probably wins that series but

You know can Montembeau outplay Logan Thompson four times I think he can't like I think that can happen and you can be in a position to do some damage All right, Rory McIlroy.erel this a little bit of a different one kiki he's he goes in rory mackerel walks in the art and they give him two options right they lay these two options out for a rory he has to pick one you you have to do that here he can either finish

second place at the masters after blowing a lead on sunday before and that's or so i thought Sunday or miss the cut, or miss the cut, which one would you take? I think he would take missing the cut, man, where he could just say, didn't have it, gotta flush it, I'll be back next year. I think he's gonna win the Masters this year, man, I really do.

I've said that 10 times over the last 15 years. Dude, I get it, I think I've even said it maybe once or twice but i'd just think at his age is performance at the masters women winning at pebble i think he's just got like a calmness in a confidence about him where he can just say you know what screw it i'm just gonna go out there and let it fly

and he's proven even at sawgrass he can do a little bit something different. He won with not his best stuff at Sawgrass. But he's won at Sawgrass. And the players is not Augusta. It's not Masters. Dude, he should have an easier time at the Masters. Mentally, you should. Off the tee?

That guy should be launching golf balls into outer space. Off the tee you're right, but he doesn't hit greens, man. I saw a stat this week, like on average the guy, he doesn't hit enough greens in reggae at Augusta that's been his issue is you know the average winner or whatever hits like 55 of 72 greens and he hits on average like 45 so he ends up scrambling and if you end up scrambling at Augusta national you're going to put yourself in a bad place. But I think I'd take second. I know these are horrible options. You have to take second.

The blown lead though, Noodle, that is sickening for him. He did it at Pinehurst, he did it at St. Andrews, he did it at Augusta. The way you worded it, he chokes his guts out in a playoff. Well, not necessarily a playoff, just he had a lead on Sunday and he doesn't close. Here's why I would say you take the second. Because when he eventually wins and you look back and you go, okay, well, he was second in that year, he was second. Now all of a sudden you take a look at a legacy and go, this is how close this guy has been

throughout his career. He was second here, he choked this one off, but it doesn't matter. He's right there all around it. So when he eventually wins, then you go, that's, he's been, you know, it was just a matter of time. So I think you take the second. You're right. Those count, man.

We talk about it, Nicholas, all the time, how many times he was T2 or he was top five, top ten, whatever, Tiger, to a lesser extent, but certainly it does apply with Woods. That said, kind of like Phil, Mickelson finished, what was he, second like five times at the US Open, six times, and he never got it. He never he never enough where you do have to win in order to look at it differently yeah uh... right austin matthews walks in he's awarded two more rocket rushard awards in his career two more

you take a leave it why not to playoff series wins this year instead of rocket rushard's go ahead you then do that does that what it is that what he wants you think austin would take to playoff wins and lose in the conference final this year i think that's such a loser's mentality that he might take it but i i hope he wouldn't

i hope he'd finally say screw that were not where we want to go to a conference final but doing that i want to go to a conference final. I'm not doing that. I want to go to a cup final and actually close. But go ahead, answer that question. No, no, I'm going to go back to the... No, no, no. Answer that question. Matthews is awarded a conference final loss. Two series wins. Two series wins. The Leafs lose in the conference final. His first year as captain. Does he take it or does he leave it? I'm going to talk this out with you, okay? It's a loser's mentality, but it seems like such a

greater feat than what they've accomplished. So I think someone would look at it and say, well, it's better than getting dummied in the first round or a quick exit in the second. So get me to a conference final, let me sniff around around it might not go our way, but I want to sniff it All right. Let me throw this detail on top. Here is the caveat The team you lose to in the conference final wins the cup Montreal Do you take it or leave it I can't take that at all. They're the second best French fan base in the league. Who's the number one?

The Leafs. Oh, okay. Come on, Nils. I can't. I don't know. You just offended me. I want to go to commercial break. Well, I was asked that question this morning.

Because that one really throws a wrench into everything. I know. I know. Like, can you imagine the Leafs chug it, everything's feeling great, they get to a conference final, the Habs are there on some miracle run, they get through Washington, they beat Carolina in the second round, Leafs-Habs, Leafs at home and it's Montreal. You can't take that. I mean, obviously, if that's the option, I'd go Rory Mackerel. I'd rather miss the cut I'd rather they lose out miss the playoffs you lie that that they swept in the first round

Yes as opposed to such a loser's reality It's easy for me to say it now because the experience of them winning and playing I would clearly take every single time But it would be like that would just be such a torture play For Lee fans to have to deal with that reality But but the thing is, as opposed to what? The last nine years of torture. I know, but noodles. So you can take wins.

You finally get to a conference final and you play Montreal. It's a hypothetical, but the Habs beat you twice in five years in the playoffs when you're the superior team and you're the favorite and you're supposed to do it. I don't know, man. I get it, but I also, we've lived the other side of that coin. So I see where I was going is like, at least you've felt a run and you have something to build off to move into the next year

and go, hey, been there, whatever. I think this is where I think people have to get their head. Yes, they're one of eight or nine cup favorites. But if they go deep in the playoffs and lose, which is a good chance they could, then you know it's not a failure. You're building. You're going. Like it's just it's all or nothing. It can't be all or nothing. It has to be, you know, you have to accept what comes at your way.

Now can they win? Sure, but they can also lose. That's the thing that people have to... Yeah. I guess what I'm saying is the idea of them beating Tampa in the first round and then Florida and then you're like, okay, look at what they just got through. Montreal now is waiting for them. Context is everything.

Anyway, it's a ridiculous hypothetical that's not going to happen. I say the two hearts, or the two rockets. I would take the two rockets too. I'm pouncing on it. He's a ridiculous hypothetical that's not going to happen. I say the two hearts, or so the two rockets. I would take the two rockets too. I'm pouncing on him. He's already won multiple ones. That means well into his late 20s, early 30s, he's going to keep ripping home goals. And that means he's healthy. That means he's healthy as well, absolutely.

All right, we'll come back and I've got a little spin on this called Psychic Says. All right, Psychic Says. Psychic Says. Alright, Psychic Says. Psychic Says? I'll explain it to you. It's gonna warp your mind, man. It is gonna launch this show. Why didn't you just say Simon? Just say Simon Says instead of Psychic.

I'll explain why. Alright, this is gonna launch us into a new era of Overdrive. Palm reading, alright. We're coming back with palm reading. Palm reading, palm reading. That's back with palm reading. Palm reading, that's precisely what it is. Psychic says. Darren Dreger is still to come. Mark Masters from the rink. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 4.

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It's gonna get loud. I heart radio app and at I heart radio.ca All right, Dan Drager coming up the Jays wrapped up their series with another win they swept the Nationals They are five and two on the season leading the American League East. What a star for the Jays Day after more than they head down in New York to play the Mets the Mets home opener on Friday afternoon Day after more than they head down in New York to play the Mets the Mets home opener on Friday afternoon So more on that into the next hour. We were playing arbitration the previous segment and now we're gonna test out Some pond reading here says psychic says alright the Edmonton Oilers Walk into a psychic and a psychic looks at Chris Nablack and says I've seen your future and the only way for the Orlers to win in the playoffs is Calvin Pickard has to be your start, your

starter. You know what else you can start? You can start this party off. Do you tell the psychic that you accept that vision and you're going to apply it or you basically tell her to take a lap? So say it again for them to win or just as soon as you have success in the playoffs calvary occurred is your guy you're not going back to stewart skinner

that's the vision that's what that's what she's seen play has what he had his eighteenth win last night played great man he sees i and well since you know what that was it's pretty simple you can win the cup but pickers got to be your guy. What are you saying back to the psychic? Are you accepting it or not? Are you going to say, no, that's stupid, and I'm going back to Skinner?

Or are you like, yeah, I think you're onto something here? Pickard's our guy. Well, yeah, I'm following, but I'm not following. For them to win, it's Pickard to win, like Pickard in. Yes. Are you accepting that advice or not? I think they want to go back to Skinner, but I think if they believe, if a psychic is saying that's your pathway, then you take it.

But I think Skinner is their guy. All right, so you're answer is to tell him to take a lap. Yes, exactly. No, that's a stupid vision and you're not seeing it clear. Well, it's not a stupid vision. I mean, it's... That's how we have to react to this. Okay, so yeah I saw you buy into it or you're not it's very simple to follow along here I think Pickard is is a good backup who can give you short-term minutes, but I believe that that Skinner

Their pot committed this year with Skinner. That's the way I look at it. Okay. Oh, do you sticking with Calvin Pickard? Are you gonna? Go back to Stewart Skinner. I want like I would hope that Patrick Swayze came into my body Like whoopi Goldberg in that movie and I would sucker the psychic. Yeah and ghosts. I would say no Thanks, I want Swayze back into my body and I would attack the psychic I would know think long and hard on no you would I really were but you're trying to fire up the Euler fans Skinner has been awful this year His statistics his numbers. I'm sorry. There's no sugar coating it the number

He wasn't exactly a world beater during the regular season last year so you know what on the stretch down it was awesome in the playoffs yes at the right time you're right and he's done that and I get it people keep saying okay you be knob lock the psychic says says Pickard's your guy I think I might listen I think I'm listening because I don't know it's not even about Pickard I don't know if I could trust Stewart Skinner. Like Stuart Skinner is not some grizzled Grant. I know Grant Fuhr is a guy we always use. Big games, big moments. He shows up. He did it. He did it. And I get it. Skinner last year worked for him. But this year has been pretty ugly, man. Well, I would say this. The only thing I would say back to the psychic is the Edmonton Oilers aren't going anywhere unless

their best players are the core of their team play to their capabilities. That includes Stuart Skinner, Matias Ackholm, Zach Hyman, R&H, McDavid, all of those guys and that and Evander Kane, like guys that they believe believe are gonna be in the playoffs with them They're not going anywhere unless those guys play to their capability Darnell nurse. Yeah, you know, so it Skinner is one of those guys And Skinner could come back and play well And if those guys in front of him don't play well enough then it doesn't matter what they're doing So I would say going back with okay. I have to read this before the next psychic says the psychic might be gone

We know no I just You butchered it a little bit But someone just sent me a note a high ranking person in the National Hockey League said I'm confused like we never really talk about Our show or our work or whatever he wrote. I'm confused how the psychic segment is different than arbitration wrote, I'm confused how the psychic segment is different than arbitration. Well, that's what it's not. I think this person was being a smart ass, but let's get to the next. So I like it. It's all good.

I mean, it's, it's more about, do you have faith in what you're seeing? Give me a psychic says, okay. Let me give you, let me go off the beaten path here. All right. Okay, let me give you, let me go off the beaten path here. Alright, the psychic's saying the future. Vladdy is going to have a down season offensively, but the Jays should still meet his price at the end of it. Ask that guy right there. There you go.

How do you respond to the arbitration psychic? Can we repeat what the psychic, how he described Vladdy's season? That it's a down year offensively. quality numbers not getting a lot of a because he's twenty six in his your guy once again patrick sway's he come into my body and fight the second these are insane takes it's not a good idea to say to you here i love how you're on the give laddy whatever he wants now i think i listen I Transformation I understand that I get it. It's crazy money. It's stupid money It's money that makes it very difficult to wrap your head around it and he should of course you should still have to perform

But this is where baseball is now like guys in this category is not Soto He's not out on it, but guys in this category get paid a fortune. Yeah, and if they're always Left at the altar. They're trying to get people to take their money. They're begging people Here's a guy that's been within the organization for ten years And I think he's willing to take their money and they're not willing to get to that number and that's my point on it I'm not I'm not making sense of the money. I'm not letting Vladdy off the hook He's got to perform better. But I'd like the idea of Vladdy being a Blue J for a long time.

If they're going to keep spending money, they're going to try to remain competitive. Vladdy's going to help you do that. Yes, I agree. And there's one thing. We've got to carry this into the 6 o'clock hour because I think we're finding a groove here. I think we found something, man. I needed to understand a little bit more. I've i i needed to add that i had a little more dust

i got a little more out of you more i got a lot more chamber right away i want one all right at least one or two more right away the site is a little so i gotta be honest you kicked it psychic right in the junk the first at all okay because i eat you're like i don't understand what the psychic saying i think i think psychics are full of garbage i like that i really don't know what i mean so i don't know if you're on a regular everyday okay but anyway i think that i like that attitude that should be the

attitude yeah i was smacked to the psychic if you don't know i don't know if you're not the sat in the psychic to take a lot of going to in the six o'clock out okay it will continue drags coming up masters coming up the psychic continues uh... i can see this developing into Al's brother in a booth with a, you know, it's gonna get stupid. Al's brother was with another person making like pottery with Whoopi Goldberg. There's

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