OverDrive - OverDrive - April 20, 2026 - Hour 1 - Josh Lewenberg

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the start of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, the Sabres' electric win against the Bruins, Juraj Slafkovsky leading the Canadiens in Game 1, Leon Draisaitl's return for the Oilers and the Maple Leafs seeking their front office management. TSN Raptors Reporter Josh Lewenberg tees up Game 2 between the Raptors and Cavaliers.

This hour of Overdrive is powered by Fandul. Fan Duel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, Overdrive, off and running TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN4, up on YouTube live, Brian Hasey, O'Doc Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennon. What's going on today? What's going on? How we feeling?

Very excited, and Hasey, I told you, I'm very excited, and I'm looking, forward to your reaction at 5 o'clock because I've been thinking lately I've kind of been starting the 5 o'clock hour and I have an intro I want to test take it for a test drive today. Okay. So we're taking it for a spin at 5 o'clock. You're going to, you're teasing an hour ahead on how you plan on opening the 5 p.m. hour. And I think what I say, you're going to be like, damn, he nailed that. Okay. I look forward to it. Is it scripted? Like, do you have something scripted or you just go off the top of your mind? What do you think I, like, chat GPT, like how to start a five o'clock hour on TV?

AI, you never know. It is absolutely there to help you out if need be, right? Like the prompt, I can get you a prompter in the house. There was an incident recently where a reporter was caught on the sidelines, Googling what are good questions to ask after a tough loss. I saw that. Yeah. But apparently she had a medical condition, so it was offside for people commenting on it.

So she got a hall pass. Right. I saw that too. Yeah. I mean, listen, it wouldn't be the first time. Like, let's not pretend like you guys haven't dealt with media types that had no idea what just happened in a game. Yeah. Like, no idea what just happened.

Well, let me ask you, HazyB. You've done a ton of interviews way more than us. We've all talked to a lot of people. have you ever googled anything like this what to ask so-and-so never never dude you're a liar i'm telling you i never have i done research i've done research on people right you know i'll read a wikipedia page to prepare and i tried it last night i'm not going to lie i tried it for who for pat people live you got lobby coming up in an hour do you think i would need like i just wanted to see what it would say and it's so generic

It's stupid. I said, what would be a good question to ask a hockey person tomorrow? And it was like, did this, like, it was so generic. It didn't even reference the games that were played. And I typed it. I'm like, the games happened already. Like, there's games that were played. Oh, and then it was just so generic.

I tried AI, and it sucked. You gave it a shot. It didn't work out. It's good, though. It does have good things. I mean, Labby, you're not going to have a problem talking to your old coach and your buddy, Labby. I'm fired up for a lobby.

That'd be great. Well, we're two days into the Stanley Cup playoffs. Yeah, what do you make of it? Like, you know, what's your storylines? I think it's been great. Take me down to Buffalo. Take me down to Buffalo. Did you see the guy trying to fight the dummy with the Bruins jersey on and he fell on his ass going?

He lost a fight to a karate dummy. Yeah, literally a karate dummy. Yeah. Oh, what happened to your back? I lost in a fight. Look at this guy. To a karate dummy. He just eats it.

Yeah, he does. And then this guy goes over the top. It's like, act like you've been there before. They haven't. Like literally, if you're a 20-year-old, 25-year-old, you don't remember the last time the Sabres were in the playoffs. It's been 15 years. You had to wait 50 minutes to come alive.

That's what's wild. The Bruins were just, Swamen was great. and it's 2-0-0 and the Bruins are just peacocking their way to game one and all of a sudden, Bing, Bang, Boom. Cage Thompson says, uh-uh, not doing it. Not happening tonight. I mean, that place, on that, this goal that we're showing, I believe. No, no, this is the first one wrap-around, which I love a wraparound goal.

He steals the people, just jammed. His second goal, this one is a power move. Like, he just grabs his pocket steps to the middle and scores. The guy's got a stupid reach, and I'm not kidding. when I say this. Like, he's got a Mario reach. He's not Mario, but he has that kind of reach where he can put, and Jamie, you know better than anybody, like a guy that can shift the position of the puck

and get a different angle where he's still, his core of his body is stationed in the right place, in the same place, and he can shift it three feet to the right and kind of roof it. That's dangerous stuff, man. Crazy, crazy. And then that third goal there by Samison, that was, the roof almost came off that building. Like there was on X, they had removed the broadcasters, removed everything, just the sound. Like, I don't know if you saw that. It just was the video of them scoring and the in-house sound of the building exploding.

Like, that was insane. And the people outside blew right through the barrier. Yeah, I saw that. Like ESPN cut away from that quickly, right? Because all of a sudden, like, uh-oh, these guys have broken through the gates and they're going to storm the building. It was. It was. It was, and it was...

There it is. Yeah. A few of these goons just go right through it. They blow right through the barricades. Like, I just hate to hear, like, people got injured on stuff like that, but it seemed like they were just so excited. It's just a different level of the playoff atmosphere. I don't know if you guys recall, like, some of the Carolina playoff runs. I've never heard, like, the players kept saying I've never heard something that loud.

That's exactly what all of us said in Carolina. Like, they hadn't had playoff hockey. We had just moved to North Carolina. And when we went on that run in 2002, it was so loud. I'll never forget skating out for game three at home in the finals. And that was the only time people throw out the cliche, like it was so loud, you can't hear yourself think. That's what it was. It was so loud.

It's so awesome to be a part of. And that's like so many games from now, so many weeks from now, the Cup final. That's the amazing thing. if you're in Buffalo, if they can go on a run here, and it's very early. But if they can, times what we saw last night by 100, you know, by 2, 3, 400. Imagine that crowd like in two months from now. Exactly. Like what a run.

And we've talked about this many time. It is a run for guys that meet at the bar every night for playoff hockey. Like they're about to go on a absolute heater. If it's like want to go watch some puck in its night, that you get a triple over time. Especially when the weather turns and the patio's become an option. There's nothing better. Well, think about yesterday.

If the weather was nice yesterday and you're a puck fan, you are soiling your shorts walking out of the bar. Yeah. Because it started at three and it went all the way to 1 o'clock in the morning. And they were all good games. Yes. Literally all of them were good games yesterday. I mean, Minnesota laid a beating on Dallas.

That was the only outlier. What do you guys think about? that schedule because it's coming into light this season where it's like two of the top two teams in each conference are playing each other in the first round like is it time for jerry to sit down and say we got to fix this or you are you have the opinion hayes he's just not going to do it he's not going to do it he's he's made that very clear he's not gary betman believes they have a great playoff system they're not going to change it so it's not he's not going to change his mind we talked about the last week. It will change when

Bettman retires and someone new comes in and feels like they have to put their fingerprints on the league. Absolutely. They will change it from there on forward. It's not going to change anything. But, you know, it's just, there's ebbs and flows. You know, like this year the Pacific was bad. In other years, the metro has been bad. Some years the Central. Some years the Atlantic. It's the same in every league. It changes all the time. Nothing is perfect. But the Games for the most part, outside of that, that game, you know, won in Dallas.

They were all great games. Like, they were all close games. They were competitive games. There were a bunch of comebacks. You know, you had Slavkovsky winning an overtime. I was just going to say, how loud do you think the Bell Center will be? Well, that is a, like, there is a pathway where Buffalo, Montreal is going to meet in a week and a half. Do you remember those old school matchups back in the day?

And what was that division even called, James? Patrick? Patrick? Was it the Patrick with Boston and Buffalo and Montreal and Hartford? I think it was a Patrick division, I believe. I don't want to misspeak, but I, I, just off the top of my head, like there was the smites, which was out west. And I think the Patrick.

The Norris was in the Midwest, including Toronto. In Norris Division, and then the Patrick, yeah, I think it was, I don't know, but it was gritty, man. Like that, yeah. Now, listen, I don't know. If Tampa, like, it was weird. Tampa took control of the game and then they let it get away. And Montreal, this Marty St. Louis, calling that timeout in overtime.

Brilliant. Brilliant and cagey, man. I don't think Marty would ever say he deserves accolades for that, and I'm not going to give him to him. That's just what a smart coach should do. He gets paid a lot of money to make decisions like that, and he made the right play. It shouldn't be celebrated, man. That's what smart hockey people do.

Well, it shouldn't be when you see stupid decisions. made all the time. That's the thing. I would counter with, if you're not going to celebrate a smart play, then you can't hammer the dumb plays all the time. I agree with it. I bet you if you ask Marty, he would say that's just the right play to do there. And that's what smart people do. He didn't

look at a chart. He didn't look at a graph. Some weasel didn't come out of the dressing room and hand him a piece of paper and say, you should do this. He's a smart hockey guy and he made the right call. Great job, Marty. It was on a platter for you, right? You start overtime on a power play. It's like you got to pounce here. You're in Tampa.

Try to end it, man. You got to end it. And, like, Slavkowski scored three power play goals last night. Dude, what a stud muffin right now. You want to talk about potential bar play? If he went to a bar in Montreal. Oh. Whoa.

I think that whole power play unit, dude. The oldest guy on the power play is Suzuki, and he's like 27 years old. Okay, so what's your power rankings of after the first weekend of walking in the bar anywhere in the National Hockey League and having the most street cred. Is it the five guys on the Montreal power play? It might be. Tage Thompson would be high. Chippewa Street.

Chippewa Street with short shorts on. He may honestly tell Josh Allen, actually, you got to wait in line. Like Thompson may walk in somewhere. No. And tell Josh Allen, QB7, actually the line starts over there. So you're telling me last night. if Josh Allen's in line to get a pint and Tage Thompson, Tage Thompson gets the pint first?

Like you think the server goes up and says, oh, Mr. Thompson. No, dude. Last night, not tonight and not the rest of time. I'm saying last night, Thompson gets served first. Even if they gave it to Josh Allen, he's such a great guy, he would just hand it over to Tage Thompson. That's what I want to ask,

Probably true. Before we go to our commercial break, our first one, I want a cold call Carlo for 30 seconds only and ask him the same question. What does he know, though? Dude, he's Buffalo. He's a Buffalo guy. He's a Buffalo guy. He grew up in Mississauga. Dude, he played for the Sabres, man.

I know he did. He played for the Sabres. And he's a diehardt. Send your boy Marty Barrona text. Marty's actually in Buffalo. Marty would be the guy. Maybe Carlo, too. But Marty would be the.

Dis or data on that kind of stuff. Diss or data would know. I'm telling you, and Marty, I believe, is probably. had some bar play in Buffalo. Definitely. And Carlo, possibly, too. Although he might have been married, so I want to be careful on. Dugie, text Marty Barron and ask him who would get the pint first.

So right now we've got the five guys Montreal Power Play. Tage Thompson, anything out, stick out at you? Well, I'll say, I would say Porter Martone's walking around Philly right now. Now, he's in Pittsburgh. He's rocky. He's got a hoodie on, and he's running in the back streets with the street meet. And he's got people following it. That's a beauty start.

Well, you know what, though, like, here's a sneaky one. I would say only because I'm a goalie hugger. This Vladar, he made a save with eight seconds left in the game there. Like, he's been their MVP all season long, and I'm happy. Martone is a great, you know, a great story. And, you know, that Pittsburgh, Philly, like, I expected bloodshed. It's not bloodshed, but there's intensity there. There's the intensity there.

And I, you know, Martone had the great. goal. Was he the one who scored the third goal under the bar short side on Stu Skinner? This is what we're watching. I think he tipped it here, right? Yeah, that's in front, a little redirect, but this is the third goal right here. Under the bar, boom, game over.

Right there. This is stud guys. And I tell you what, I had this conversation with Craig Button. And by the way, what a fantastic luxury if you want to talk like prospects or development or what they're turning into. Wonderful resource for anyone in our building. I wish people

that loved hockey had the option. Because I called him and I said, I watched Porter Martone in two world juniors. And all I kept doing was like looking for flaws, like power his feet, does he move quick enough? Is he getting there? Is he intense enough? Does he make enough plays? And maybe some guys are just meant to be in the National Hockey League, and he might be one of them, man. It's early.

I know I'm not getting carried away, but maybe that guy was just meant to be a stud. And I remember in Ottawa, Craig said he thinks he could be. be a Corey Perry type, like as a player. Not Cory Perry now. Corey Perry and his prime. And I'll tell you what, you see some similarities, man. That's a good player to follow suit on. No kidding, man.

Good player. Well, that's some great story. Like you said, Brian, like just every series was awesome games. And even the Dallas Minnesota game, like that Minnesota team might be a handful. We already knew they were. But, I mean, Dallas, Hayeskin and played. but it sounds like, you know, Doogie put that in the chat. Like, HINCES is ruled out until game three even more.

Trouble. That's scary. He's one of their top players, right? You're starting at home, too, right? Like, this is a scenario. You're going back to Minnie. That building will be going nuts if you're down to too. And the other thing I'll throw out there, folks, I thought Glenn Gullison right away,

did you hear it his media? It's like, yeah, they didn't even think about pulling Ottinger. Because that's a big storyline, right? You've got to be careful with him. Because Peter DePore is watching that with us. Well, he left Ottinger in there. But he said, like he left Ottinger, and he even said, like, goals weren't his fault, just going three feet wide, hits a defender, which is fair. But it's still, it's a storyline, right?

Because they got blown out. And what have you done for me lately? We know what happened the last time they were in big playoff games. All right, let me throw one last potential bar play. By the way, before you name this, we're going to update, Hazy, you're responsible for this power ranking. It's not the man of steel. It's the National Hockey League playoffs bar play power rankings, and we're going to update it every Monday. I love that. I love that.

And we are going to continue to push on Josh Allen or Tage Thompson last night. And Marty Barron has chimed in, and Josh Allen would be served first. He's still getting number one, QB7 is still getting. I still think he hands. I think he gets the beer and he hands up. to Tage Thompson. That's how classy that guy is. He is a classy individual.

See him today. I think they got a mini camp in town. He's decked out in Sabres gear. It looked awesome. The last bar play I'll throw out before we wrap up this. I know this one's stupid. Dry settle, no helmet, warm up tonight comes out flying.

Comes out flying and puts his steak in the ground and goes, I'm playing. I'm playing and I'm ready to go. It's tough to beat. It's tough to beat dry saddle. in Edmonton. That's hockey ex-hamster. Like that's...

Like that's what that is. Yeah. No bucket and just flying around. And I think he's playing. I don't know why not... Of course he's playing. He's playing. He's playing.

You're in Edmonton noodles. Everyone knows he's playing tonight. Yeah. I mean, Dickinson's playing. It looks like they've got their full roster. So, I mean, who knows? I don't know. It's not that hard to do.

Like, I hear these guys talk. And it's not just because... as I played in the league. You can just understand. As soon as he says, like, wow, Leon's trending in the right direction. That means he's playing. I don't know if he's playing tonight.

I know, but it just, I watched his media today. He said, it's the playoffs. We're not going to tip our hand on anything. You'll see tonight. I can't look at Chris Knoblock anymore without him with that one comment where he's like, I believe What was it? JP, do we have that drop?

His drop where he's like, I I don't believe so. I don't believe so. Did you have 17 beers last night, sir? I don't believe so. I can't look at him without picking that drop.

It's such a great one. It's easily the press conference of the season. It really was. They were in a dark, dark place. That was when their goalies were just given up muffins from everywhere. And the question was, are your goaltenders preventing you from stealing victories? Right. I don't believe so.

Well, he said, like, he also said, like, do you think the guys still have faith in them or something like that? I don't believe so. Well, you better believe tonight. Yeah, they have faith in Ingram. Let's see if he can play well. But there's, you know, that's another series to watch. I wonder if that's going to be a tight checking one or if that one just opens up. I hope it lets loose, man.

You think it's a seven. That's what I'm going to look. Because, you know, I think I got a feeling of what game two in Carolina is going to look like tonight. Like probably very similar to game two, game one. We'll get into that in Ottawa and how they have to respond. But I want to see six five. I want to see McDavid with like 22 points after this round. And just go out and get crazy.

Let Gochier run wild. Let Carlson play, you know, like just no defense. That's what the series might be. Like, I don't think it's going to be that ugly. There was some nastiness last night. Did you see that Jimmy Dowd out in Vegas where he told that guy, I'm going to find you and I'm going to kill you? I love that stuff.

I was watching that, and that got greasy. I'll say this. He's like, I'm coming for you. And I'm going to kill you. Yeah, and I'm going to. But I don't, Jamie, I don't think that happened to Anaheim series is going to take that on. That might be just, they might just say, you know what? Why are we going to try to blow you?

love ourselves. We've got to play hard, but we're going to play our game. And they might end up being five, four games. Just like we all knew that Ottawa, Carolina, which you're following closely, Jamie, like, it's going to be, it's going to be grease, greasy, man. Nothing, too, nothing. It's going to be hard fought. Like, that's really what it is. I'll go back to, you know, this Evanton series just quickly. Like, I think there's a chance it could get greasy.

And here's why. Radco Gutis. He's playing. Like, we forget what he did. to Austin. You don't think he's going to try and get a lick on dry-saddle, try and get a good shot in on McDavid. Like that's the guy. What do they call him the butcher or something like that?

What's his nickname? Yeah, the butcher. You're right. You got him. You got Truba. You got, you know, there is some irritability, but you're right. Oh, going back to that Ottawa series. I think Mike Johnson said it best we were on the panel.

He said, Carolina got to their game quicker than Ottawa did. Ottawa pressed. Freddie made our buddy, Freddy. Freddie made that save on the back door. Like, that's the difference in the game. There was your TSN turning point. By the way, what a weird call by the referee. The only reason he was pointing in the net to not a puck.

He thought Brady could chuck saw a puck in there, so the ref went, goal. Like, I thought that was a little bit ridiculous. And overall, I thought there was some very suspect penalties. Like, I don't know if Billy McCreary, who is the best referee to ever ref in the NHL, would agree with me, but I found there was some tickey, tacky calls. Some tickey, tacky calls. I thought the goalie. In general, or you just talking about that game?

Are you talking just the Ottawa game or general? I thought there were some goofy calls, too. I thought the goaltender interference where the guy got hip-checked into the goalie. What the hell is he supposed to do there? That's nonsense. You shouldn't have called, though. That's the thing, though. Colorado made a mistake on that play.

They shouldn't have called that. Like, is that this one right here? Yeah, like the guy bumped the guy right into the goalie. How in that hell is that going? goalie interference. It wasn't. It wasn't goaly interference, and they challenged it. The guy tried to get around.

That's Parker Kelly tries to get around Dowdy, and he hits him, and then goes into Forsberg, and they score on the play. It was no goal, and then they challenged it. And I don't know. That was a bad goaltender challenge for me, for Colorado. I thought there was, I wouldn't have challenged that. But it didn't cost a many. It didn't matter any end.

They were fine. But anyway, we're off and running with the Stanley Cup playoffs. We get game two of the Raptors Cavs tonight. They've got to make some serious adjustments. They got their doors blown off in the second half. Did not like what I saw to Brandon Ingram or his post game, deflecting and claiming, well, a coach just said, just stay out here and be a screener.

It's like, dude, you're there to score. Get the ball and find a way to score. They're going to need it because I don't know if they can defend well enough with Mitchell playing the way he played Hardin was really good in game one. So Josh Lumberg coming up later in the hour from Cleveland to tip off game two of that series. We got Peter Lavialette on the show today. We got more hockey games that J-Zer in Anaheim playing the Angels tonight. Lots to get into on a Monday afternoon.

Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. Guys, we screwed up the division. It's not the Patrick. It's the Adams division. Yeah, I know. I screwed that up. All of our good friends, Mike Zyzerger, texts me early on.

It was the Adams division. that was yeah i got yeah we're getting roasted for that montreal bice said it it who was it montreal buff boston hartford yeah that's it no thing is we should know it because oh you played in it you played in hartford i never i never played in the the adams to fish i know it would change but i feel like i think when i was playing it was called the northeast or some yeah they switched it like the leaps were with detroit st louis and chicago yeah which is just crazy like i get kids these

days. This is how old we are. Like in 93, their Leaf fans are like, yeah, I remember that high stick call. That was for the Leafs to play the Habs in the Cup final. Dude, no kidding. Not crazy? They were playing, like, game six was at like 10 o'clock. Like, could you imagine? Like, it's just, it's absurd to think of a Leaf playoff game at 10 o'clock on like a Tuesday night.

Just think about how crazy that would have been either side, whoever won. A Montreal, Toronto Stanley Cup. final. Amazing. It just would have been obviously amazing. And needless to say, that was a long time ago. There has not been a Canadian team win the cup since that year, though, as we all know. And we got three tickets this year, Edmonton, Montreal, and in Ottawa.

So we'll see. But, yeah, as for the least, you know, nothing new on them. They're continuing to interview. Seems like it's assistant GMs. Like, it's assistant GM season. I think that's great, guys. And why? Because it's not recycling somebody, you know, an old tread.

And it's somebody that might be progressive. It's somebody that needs an opportunity. I'll give you an example. Jim Nill for years was known as one of the best AGMs in the league. While he was with Ken Holland, he goes to Dallas, he gets his own situation, and he ends up flourishing. I think he's one of the best GMs in the league. So there are lots of great AGMs out in this league. I can think of a ton.

I'm good friends with a lot of them. But at the end of the day, it's about the opportunity, the right timing. And I'm sure Keith is doing his due diligence. I don't know the guys who have been named by the sources out there. They've got good reputations. It would be interesting to see who are the leaders in the clubhouse. Well, it's not going to be. it's not going to be a superstar celebrity hire, more than likely.

You know, like if you're going to hire a Ryan Hardy or something like that. Maybe that's the best play, Brian. Yeah, possibly. I mean, ultimately, we'll find out based on what they do and how they develop this team and develop this program. And if they hire anybody else with that GM, if there's a president of hockey operations, if they hire multiple people, if there are, you know, if Sundeen's involved, if Gary Roberts, who may be somehow involved in the future with the leaves we'll see. You know, then you're filling out a staff and all of a sudden it takes on a greater scope.

But, yeah, listen, whoever they hire, you have to hope they have done their due diligence, that they're looking for certain qualities. And that person's coming in, whether they've had ample opportunity in the past or no ample opportunity yet, that they're going to seize this opportunity and run with it. Because it's a tough job. Like whoever's going to get it, it's a difficult job. You're dealing with a team that just had a terrible stretch, terrible season. They don't have two of their next three first round picks.

They've got some deadweight contracts. They've got all the issues. It's like that bad thing in life that checks off all the boxes of being bad. They've got it. So it's like good luck. It's a tough job. I had somebody in Vancouver say to me, the Leafs and the, Canucks doing the Spider-Man thing.

And I said, I don't know. Are they closed? I think the Leafs are different because they've got the higher end. Like they've got Matthews under contract. They've got Neelander and that. Now, what is, I think that's where that would be the separator for me. But I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking about that over the weekend. Where, like Johnny mentioned it on Friday, that he thinks Austin Matthews may

pull a Quinn Hughes series. Not predicting it will happen. But I'm coming back for another year. Let's see how it plays out. Uh-oh, this isn't good. Now I want out. I think it's imperative. You get an answer and you have faith in that answer before the season starts on Matthews.

Because Rutherford, I was surprised by his candor. We didn't play the clips because there was so much to get into it on Friday. He was shooting fire. But he also admitted they just signed people for Quinn Hughes. Like, well, that guy's American. Let's sign him. That guy's American. and let's keep, it's like, that's how you're running your operation.

And then he left anyway. I would never do that. But that's what I'm saying here with Matthews. You cannot sit here and say, man, we got to make this guy happy. Like, we better sign this guy. We better make that trade. And then he's going to leave you anyway in four or five months. Yeah.

Like you cannot do that. If you're the least, you have to learn from that Quinn Hughes situation, whether he leaves or not, and say, we cannot do something to appease you. We can't do something just to make you happy. And, you know, I'm not saying that Matthews looks at this market and his legacy with the leaves the same way Quinn Hughes did. But Hughes was the captain in a great hockey market, you know, where he had some success. It wasn't ultimately great every single year in Vancouver. But still, he decided this is enough for me.

It's not working. And now they look back and they're like, man, we signed Besser. We signed, you know, a couple of different garlands. You had all the guys went and got Jake DeBrusk. Yeah. Listen, they were trying to make their team better. I get that and I respect that. But also trying to make him happy, and that's dangerous.

It can't just be thinking of one player in his happiness. I think whoever comes in, and I'm just talking about Toronto situation, because Vancouver needs a new situation as well, too. You have to be confident in what you're going to build as a culture, and what you're going to build as a program. And then regardless of whether they're American, Canadian, whatever, where they stand, they want to be a part of that program. That's what you want to be.

And the city's great. We all know all of those other things. Those come with the program. But I think you're right. Like you can't be just catering to one situation because if that situation changes, now of a sudden you've had down a pathway. Now you've got to dig yourself back out of it. So I think the new general manager in Toronto has to have a clear line of sight

what he believes, what he wants from Madison, Matthews, and if Matthews is open to them, then they work together. But ultimately, you're building a program to win because Austin Matthews at some point, even if he stays, is going to age out. The least we're here before he arrived and be here long after he leaves. Exactly. So it's clear something up with you guys about culture. Well, not you guys, because you guys know.

But for people listening that are just fascinated with the term culture that's tossed out a lot, 98% about the culture has nothing to do with what management does, what assistant coaches do, strength coaches do. It's what the five best players on your team do and their attitude and their commitment to everything. That's what sets culture in the NHL. Like, you can't have somebody come into the locker room and say, we've got to change the culture around here because the players just do whatever they want. And if the players don't develop the culture, then you're screwed.

Like, that's what has to happen. The culture in Pittsburgh runs through Sidney Crosby. He is the guy that's first to the rank. He works. And then Malkin follows and Latang follows. And then Kindle looks at it and says, okay, that's the way things are done here. That's the way culture works. So anybody that wants to look at their team's culture, no GM's going to change it.

It's your five best players that create it. maintain it. So quickly, oh, on top of that, it's having the right players that set that tone. And that's something that has to be judged. The new guy has to come in and say, okay, what do we have for a culture? Matthews, you're the captain. What does this look like? What does this sound like? What is every... John DeVaris, regardless if you've got to see or not, this is a guy who's respected throughout the league. William Nealander, you're getting paid a lot of money. Are you in or you out? Morgan Riley, same type of thing. We all know what Morgan's all about, good guy. But at the end of the day, that culture, it has to be set by the guys who make the most money and have the most experience, all of that type of stuff.

And everybody else, it can't be those guys who make the most money or the top tier. They're over here and everybody else is over there. That's not how it should work. And I don't think it works like that on a lot of different organizations. I don't know what it's like in Toronto, but it sounds like there was a lot of separation. Yeah, and that needs to change. problem and ultimately though to his point it can't change if it's the same players yeah you know like you just you're not changing a 28 29 30 35 year old you know like they're they are who they are

they're wired the way they're wired and you know winning goes a long way to you know allowing for the continuity of that and losing will challenge it look at the jays right now but all of a sudden eric lowers popping off and other players like now you're not talking about greatest clubhouse in the history of mankind it's like now you're not talking about greatest clubhouse in the history of mankind it's like, man, we're losing and we're in trouble. And I want to start and I don't like this. And the manager's going back at, you know, you get tested. And this is where the culture in Toronto in their clubhouse with the Blue Jays,

it's going to be tested because they're in one right now. And a lot of the guys they rely on aren't playing like Springer, like Kirk, etc. All right. Peter Lavillette in about 25 minutes. More on the Stanley Cup playoffs, which continued tonight, which gets started in Edmonton, Oilers, Anaheim tonight. And game two, Raptors, Cavs, feels like a must win. It feels like a must win for the Raptors.

How do they adjust? Because it was a decent first half. It got away from them in the second half. How do they shut down Hardin, Mitchell, etc.? Josh Lumberg will join us on that and more next. All right, Peter Levy, Lett in about 20 minutes. Jay's on the West Coast. This is going to be a late one tonight.

Jays Angels, game one. Dylan Seas on the Mountain. You got Oilers Ducks, which I love how it says on. online 10 p.m. It's like 1030 puck drop tonight. You just know it. Min 1022. It's insane. You've got the best player in the world kicking off on Monday night. At 1022? Yeah. Come on, man. Crazy. Crazy. But the, I guess, appetizers, Raptors, Rappler's calves tipping up just after seven right here on TSN and on TSN radio. And they got to have a bounce back. They got to have a response. You know, it was, I thought Hardin was great. Obviously,

Mitchell was phenomenal. But they've got some match-up issues, the Raptors, and it was very evident the other night. Brandon Ingram was completely non-existent in the second half to chat about it and how the Raptors possibly adjust going into it tonight. Let's head to Cleveland. I had a tip off tonight. Here's our Raptors report. There he is, Josh Lewinberg.

Jay Lou, if you could pick one thing you think Darko will do differently or will ask his team to do differently tonight, what do you think that will be? I think the biggest problem is there isn't one thing. There are many, many things. It seems like the focus for them has been Brandon Ingram, though, which like, mixed feelings on that for me anyway, because, like, as you mentioned, nine shots for a guy that you bring in to be the guy that's going to pop off the offense in games like this, that's a problem.

And I can tell you, I've talked to a lot of people over the last couple of days that didn't think his post-game comments were a great look either. so they've clearly emphasized that that's been the major talking point over the last couple days every player we've talked to every time we've talked to darko they've talked about the importance of getting ingram more involved and i don't disagree like that obviously needs to happen here but i guess the fear is an overcorrection to the point where you are forcing looks that aren't natural in the offense like if he's able to get those looks within the flow of the actual offense.

Great. But what you don't want to see is for him to have one of those games where he shoots seven for 25 or whatever it is. And a lot of those looks come at the expense of the pace and the flow of the offense. And if that's going to happen, like he's got to have, he's going to take 25 shots and they're going to be force feeding him the ball. He's got to have a career night. He's got to have one of those like memorable, his.

historic playoff type performances and i wouldn't put it past him he's that good but as the cash showed in game one like so are they and they've clearly game plan for brandon ingram staying with ingram j lu like what do you make of his whole kind of vibe you talked about his comments post game and i know everyone in pro sports how they sound and their kind of vibe it's not what happens out on the court or out on the ice but he just almost looks like he i know he's chill and he's it's like he's it's like if you're looking for a guy that says i'm just going to go out there and take control of it he doesn't come across with that like what's his whole body language in his comments and his whole overall vibe saying to you well in terms of the overall vibe i mean

it's not dissimilar from the guy that led them back in 2019 now ingram is not kawai but i don't mind the like in a lot of ways i think that could help him at this time of the year the fact that he doesn't seem to get shaken very easily he plays at his own pace it's hard to kind of speed him up or slow him down. Even the first half, like I thought he was one of the things that was working for the Raptors, at least in the half court in the first half. Now, a lot of those shots were really, really tough. And he made the point yesterday, it's the playoffs.

He's not going to get open looks. Dean Wade was forcing him to take really tough shots, but that's one of the things about Ingram is he can hit those shots. So I don't mind the personality, the kind of the even-keeled, low-key, soft-spoken personality. but yeah I mean the comments were interesting it did kind of read like he was throwing darko under the bus with the whole like coach wanted me to set screens and everything like that because we know like there's still ways to score there's still ways to get shots off of screening to me like this wasn't so much a preparation issue I don't think in game one it wasn't for a lack

of preparation maybe game planning because we could I have there's certainly some issues that I had with the game plan and we could talk about that but to me me, like more than anything else, this was a team that wasn't ready or maybe familiar enough with what playoff basketball entails in game one. They got off to that hot start, but the second they got hit in the mouth is when they, to use a word that Yacca Pearl used yesterday, they were discombobulated. They weren't themselves. They forgot how they won 46 games during the regular season. They weren't running. They weren't defending. And yeah, they went away from Ingram. So I think like that's going to determine what the series looks like

is how much were they actually able to learn from game one? What did they take out of it? I don't think experience is the be all and end all at this time of the year. It matters. It's important, but it's not everything. Ultimately, it's like how quickly can you learn on the fly and pick things up? Like to me, the disparity in experience here,

obviously in the series is massive as big as I've ever seen in a series. I mean, Donovan Mitchell and James Hardin have nearly four times as much playoff experience of themselves as the entire Raptors rotation. But it kind of reminds me of that 13, 14 Raptors series of the Young de Rosen-Lauri team against the Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett led Brooklyn Nets. The Raptors lost the first game in that series too, but they grew as the series went on and actually made that a competitive series. And I think, like, tonight is going to tell us a lot about whether this is going to be a very very, short series or perhaps a more interesting one than we anticipate based on game one based on how this Raptors team comes out and looks in game two all right thank you josh enjoy the game tonight thanks buddy we'll catch you on ts n there's josh lumenberg

he's trying man that was great got him right outside the stadium have phone in like face time doesn't you know that's cleveland man cleveland they're on 2g down there yeah he had some tough freeze frames there was one he was like this that's a dangerous part about a i know like you get stabbed He's in the middle of a sentence, and it's caught like a... Well, that's where Joe from the bridge is the best in the game. He'll get you off the screen quick, right? Joe's quick on the trigger, man.

Just exactly. It happens. But we appreciate Josh. We love to take up there before the game tonight. Honestly, though, that... I'm looking for a bounce back from them, and I think they can do it. I just, you know, when you lose the first game, you're always like, no problem, but if you don't have a good showing in the second game, now you're in one.

Yes, big time. You're in one. There's something. There's something smells weird in there. Like, when Barrett was coming out and saying, like, if we need to, like, there was a game recently in two weeks left in the season where it was like their life was kind of on the line. They laid an egg. And he was like, we couldn't play for that game.

Like, there's an issue. You remember that? Yeah. Well, they've got, again, quickly being out, it's pretty significant. Pertil is really struggling. Like, they just, I don't even think they should start them tonight. I'd start the kid. Murray Boyles, I think, is ready for.

this and I think he gives you more than pertal. But yeah, I mean, if they're out of it to, Scotty is what he is. Ingram is known as a guy that's kind of a nonchalant score. You know, if he gets high, he gets hot, he gets shot. And they had that stretch in the first two months of the season where you're like, maybe these guys are kind of a threat. And then it just kind of fizzled. You know what I mean?

Against good teams. Yeah. Couldn't beat a good team all year. It's a good team. How about the Pistons losing to the magic last night, too? They are panicking in Detroit because their history in playoffs with the Pistons. is not good. And they didn't just lose.

Like, they got beat up. Thumped. Yeah. Like, yesterday it was terrible in the NBA. It was just like Oklahoma City won by 30 plus, the Spurs by 30 plus. Those aren't entertaining games still. It wasn't even close. Like, you get a playoff game where some team wins by 37 points or something.

It's crazy. How about Barclay? It's like, ah, these games suck. Yeah. Thank God for hockey. He's so good. He had a great quote. I think it was one of these where I saw it on.

line. I'm like, it might be fake, but it lands. He's talking about the Clippers, right? He's like, I've been rich, I've been poor, I've been fat, I've been skinny, but the Clippers just always suck. It doesn't matter what's going on with me in my life. They always suck, and it's true. Clippers have sucked my whole life. They've never been a real team. They've never been good. And that's L.A. Like, you can live in L.A. You're in the shadow of the Lakers, but you're not the primetime team getting crazy media coverage. And they got one of the richest people on Earth that's their owner, a new stadium, they still stick. They still can't win.

All right. Hour two coming up. Peter Lavillette will join us. Jay's on the West Coast. Night three of the Stanley Cup playoffs, we'll get back into it. Overdrive continues up on YouTube live. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fandul. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score.

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