OverDrive - OverDrive - April 22, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! Longtime NHL Defenseman Mark Giordano shares his insight from his experience around the Stanley Cup Playoffs and his opinion on the slate across the league. Former NHLer Mike Cammalleri joins to discuss on the playoffs knowledge, the mentality in the games with Calgary and Montreal and finding success with the team in the series.

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this Saturday at 3 p.m. on Newstalk 1010. Hour two overdrive continues powered by FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score. Game two tonight right here on TSM radio and we are charging towards puck drop 730. I'm so happy I can make it there on time. I am going to be in the building. Uh oh. Did you bring your fanny pack? I did not bring the fanny pack. words park drops seven thirty i'm so happy i can make it there on time i am going to be in the building

and uh... any pack i did not bring the fanny pack the marcher dan oen studio james of the city didn't bring the fanny pack i know i thought of that are you superstitious guide you but i have a mic on maybe we need is might to start working out a good hour here we need to get jp and i don't think he come on and then while do you was being a hero before we came in on his being a hero in the one

thing he had to do was get this guy's mike and she owes mike to work we are all it was a test you now it's not a lot of work and they are i would you know come on over here let's now jp and you know how yes we can hear you know i need jp all he may start crawling in try to get under there if you feel anything you know below the desk it's JP trying to get your mic to work yeah there he is JP's coming in it's all good all right

we'll get to geo in a second although you can answer that question I guess yeah I'm gonna super you are a superstitious guy I mean I've seen guys do some crazy stuff and before games and stuff like that but I mean I've seen guys do some crazy stuff before games and stuff like that I mean I'd get dressed at the same time take my stick the same way stuff like that for sure okay I my left skate first before my right that's reasonable I don't even think that has to be in the playoffs routines yes exactly but like suits it like we saw I think McDavid in the finals last year was wearing that gray suit right that thing was going to walk away by the end

like it just i don't know if the coaches where i don't think she's going to be wearing the same suit right that work now i think it is a yeah uh... you about quite a day and we're gonna have a talk in the office after the show yeah do you think it is going to get a full review postgame here. I think certain coaches do though. I think they have their like their superstitious ties or suits. Yeah, for sure.

You know what Darrell said? Did he wear the vest all the time? He wore a vest and like some, you know, Paisley tie or something and it would be on sideways and we'd spit. Those old-school guys, like I had Pat for a year and it would be on sideways and we'd spit those old school guys like I had Pat for a year and it was like They're wearing what they used to wear and they're not changing for anything. Yeah, how about oh, how would if you scourge? Would you use the same twig or would you change? even with the one piece where it was like I would I Would just motor through sticks because I like the feel of a fresh kind of like everything I felt like new I want my skates stiff

Everything to kind of be like new and yeah, and but if I scored one it's going back Yeah, you gotta give it at least a period right, but don't those One pieces like deteriorate like the whip in them they get soft for sure like if you use them for more than three or four Games they found like the blade starts to get a little bit flimsier and that for sure the flex like you feel it more for sure yeah there's some crazy stick guys in the league right well one guy is like I gotta ask you we watched McJesus last night just like tee off in the third period my god did you have any moments out there against him where you like you know how you're talking to yourself during a game where you're just like this is insane

trying to catch this guy or this guy coming full Flight on you because he was tossing around Giants out there copa tar What's the defenseman's name? Like he was dealing around those guys like they were nothing out there Yeah They put up they put up some seven spots on us and like himett are like, it's literally gets to the point where they're unstoppable. But like watching that yesterday, I was even like, this might be the best period I've ever seen this guy play.

And that's saying a lot. He was pissed. And he was fired up and Drysett was fired up. Did you see them on the bench there? They were sitting at the end of the bench fired up. But like that touch there, that last one was one was like I just there's four guys back like somebody get a touch on them and nobody could get even a piece of them it was impressive about that though like would you think about chopping him like I mean that gabber cough plays for keep so does that Mikey Anderson and got like you know he's going by you you're probably like you're gonna allow him in

or you're gonna take a whack at him like you're gonna take a penalty and the power play wasn't great last night I don't know that sometimes you're thinking like whatever prongs like prongs would be like okay I'm gonna take a penalty but I'm gonna you're gonna feel it like that's that's I guess you know the question it's like Ovechkin stopping him in his office like if it were that easy you do it by you know and like if you know the question it's like ovechkin stopping him in his office like if it were that easy you do it but yeah you know and like if you're gonna whack at him okay go for it but he's probably gonna burn you on that powerpoint at some point he'd given him opportunities it was incredible and the crazy

thing about the two of them like McDavid and dry settle they're such different like specimens yeah well like dry settles just a moose out there and he's he plays with some anger and you know He and then Mcdavid's flying around like the idea of them both being on the ice at the same time Bringing different things to the table very different elements the way that they play like like that that dry settles His ability to find space is unbelievable like the first the first goal they scored right at the end of the period Yeah, it's a it's basically a one on four McDavid and Drisett, two on four, Drisett is in front,

but he pulls away just at the perfect time, like the timing is perfect. And for the average fan, it looks like, oh, it's just a one-time pass, but like Drisett falls off at the perfect time and he passes it at the perfect time. Especially being a big body like that. Yeah, and he hits it.

He hits the one-timer clean every time, it seems like. And that was a rifle of a pass too. Which it has to be with that kind of traffic. But like that pass and getting it off and getting it in, to your point. You see his stick, his paddle, he's just got a big beaver paddle on there and it's just like whacking it. And it goes in all the time. Well, it's great to have you in here. It's great to have the mic rocking and we're ready to play tonight because we got game two, and I'm sure you obviously watched game one and what did you make the way the Leafs played in game one?

Yeah, I thought obviously to get power play goals, to get your stars all on, like get them going, scoring goals, to get Mo and Ekman Larsen a goal is huge. I think on the back end too, the goalie played well. Like everything seems to be aligned. I thought at the start of the game, it was, you know, Ottawa would have been happy up until 2-1. I mean, they were playing a decent road game. They were down by a goal and then who took the penalty?

Stutsel took a sort of a snap going in the corner and then the power play got going and once they got one, then they got another one on the five on three and then those guys were just rolling. So I think they're going to be really happy but I think they're going to be aware that you know, you're not going to score three power play goals every playoff game and the five on five game has to you know get be as good or even better tonight. So it's a blowout in game one like, you smell a 2-1 game from a mile away?

Yeah over time something like that. Yeah like there's just no way in hell this is a wide open affair I mean a lot depends on the goaltending but this just reeks of a 2-1 game. Yeah I agree and playing against I actually played with Greener and the Spangler Cuff which is funny but playing against them was coaching Vann, you know he's gonna have those guys tighten everything up, they're gonna be, the Leafs are gonna have to earn every inch tonight, five on five for sure. One of the favorites on our show is Mo, Morgan Riley.

And you know, Mo's a lightning rod around here, right? Like people love him, they get mad at him, all of that type of stuff. He had a night the other night, now you said, you were happy for him. If Brady scores in that breakaway like how do you you know how does that shift like you know when Moe's at his best and you've seen him you played with him your friends with him what what does he need to do to be you know Morgan Riley kind of vintage what you know to play his best

A-plus game yeah he so he's he needs that's why the five forward power play Kills him because Mo needs his touches. He needs like to feel the puck He needs to be jumping like you'll notice right away when he's playing confident. He's up in the play a lot He's in but he's taking like good calculated risks I think I hope the goal goes a long way for him like that any player like you score a goal your legs all of a sudden your legs start pumping right so But but i've always liked when he has a steady uh stay at home partner like i really like shen that one playoff he had a great playoff he was with shen now he's with carlo so they're similar right but he's got to get his touches he's got to get he's got to have

the puck he's got to want the puck get up the ice that's when he's at his best and And you know everyone's like, oh worrying about his defense, well if Mo has the puck most of the night and they're in the Ozone, he doesn't have to defend as much and he's very effective. Yeah, that was big the other night. We talked about it yesterday. I thought the save on Kichuk and then Riley scoring 45 seconds after Greg made it 4-2, basically turned the lights out. Like that was it then it's five two in the parties are momentum is no momentum you killed it

like a him scoring the fashion that he did kill that but i i what i was impressed with the other night was a lot of the new players you know like the the core four players we talked about the men will see they all showed up they all perform they'll put up numbers you've got to have it right you talk we just talked about mc and dry saddle and Connor and Shifely and Ovechkin the best players have to perform that goes without saying but I thought Stollers was really good I thought Ekman Larsen was really really

good I thought Tanev was really good I thought Barube's approach like in other words the pillars that they brought in last year starting goalie top pairing defenseman veteran cup winning defenseman, head coach. Like they seem to really bring an element to game one that I think was was needed and factored into them winning that game. Yeah, yeah I agree with you 100%. You could add a lot into that. Yes, Lotten had his best game as a Leaf. I thought I thought that fourth line was was generating, they were buzzing, they were in on the four check. And like if Ottawa wants any chance, I mean, their top guys have to be better. The Leafs top guys are way better than them.

And then if the Leafs fourth line is going to outplay their fourth line, they have no chance. Like Ottawa has no chance in the series. So I'm expecting like Go said, I think Ottawa is going to try and slow it down, grind it out, and like keep this one to 3-2-2 one game Or I don't think they have I don't think they have a chance 5-3-6-5 like rise like that like I think the Leafs are just better than them offensively You mentioned that the Lawton line being the fourth line. I think just because it's playoff time I think it's still okay to have some kind of internal competition where you could say to those bottom two lines You guys are getting the first period or the first half of the first period and whoever's going is gonna get more ice time okay to have some kind of internal competition where you could say to those bottom two lines

you guys are getting the first period or the first half of the first period and whoever's going is going to get more ice time because that lot in line that so-called fourth line they kept rolling out there and they were out there shifts after goals which are very important that's not usually the case but if the coach can get trust in you and if you're going he will throw you out there so whichever one of those lines because there's not much that separates them as far as production or skill or whatever, who's ever going to go that night, you're going to play. I agree. And I think it's even more likely to apply tonight because he's flipped Domi and Holmberg. And Max did not have a great night the other night.

And they put Holmberg up with Tavares and Nylander and if Max and Robertson and McMahon are struggling or the other lines outperforming them, I don't see one line as a defined third line over the other. Yeah. I mean ultimately I could see the Lott line playing more than the Domi line tonight if they play the way they did the other night. And if you're Borube, who do you trust more right now like defensively yeah as a line veteran guys I think Lawton yeah and he played well the other night too and Lawrence played well

Yarny Yarny's like a really good defensive player really good in it on the walls really good in his own end I think Lawton's you know good two-way centerman so I think right now if you know third period late in the game who you're throwing out probably probably that line over the third line right now what about the trust in the goalie like we were talking about before you came on and you know all mark didn't have his goods stole ours had his goods Stewart Skinner didn't have his goods last night like it it affects right when you don't trust what's going on back there did you does your game adjust a little bit though the mindset of the guys yeah it's the end is deflates you man like you're good you see your goalie give up a bad one like

yeah if I'm Edmonton I'm seriously considering starting the other guy in this game I really am I love that you just said that too. I love that you just said it. Finally some common sense. Finally some common sense. We did what what did we say we had it what was it we had a confirmed denying and I we had a Nico Ferguson jr. comment but I mean you can speak to a man you watch McDavid your best player play the way he did you just said that might have been the best period he's ever played in his life got pissed away and it got absolutely pissed away why with a brutal goal I want to test noodles like on the last goal

I get that it's a weird play and it flubs and all that believe it looked like he flinched to me He moved this way. So it's coming directly And again, Warren Fogle who's 6-3 and a big guy plays it well up man And Bouchard could have pushed him out of the way, but he decided to go into the corner First of all Bouchard waving it at the blue line, which is a weird play. But if you look at Skinner, he's sliding. Watch it here. Watch he slides a little bit. He's sliding over. It's such a back-breaking goal. It's just an awful back-breaking goal. He doesn't see it. Like there's no... he doesn't track it. Look at him. He's looking down.

Yeah, he's got no idea where the puck is. His eyes are looking down. He's got no idea where the That's been defending goaltenders isn't a flub shot hard to track because you're looking to react a missile that well No, I'm being dead serious. I hear you but it's almost like a You've got a fight. It's a change-up. It's what it is Like the you know how many times I play with you and guys would chirp especially in practice and like hey It's a little black thing in there, pull it out of the net. You've said that to goalies in practice, I guarantee. You're sitting there on the bench and watching this.

I thought Skinner got hung out a few times, because the Oilers weren't very good the first 40 minutes. Five on three, it was a questionable call, bad play by Wallman, all of that type of stuff. There was a cast of characters on that team last night that didn't have their goods outside of McDavid and Dry's saddle for about 22 minutes. But that goal is back breaking and he's 6'4 and the strength of Stuart Skinner is using his size a lot like Anthony Stollers. Stollers is 6'6. Yeah. It's Freddie Goat all the... He's a monster man. You can't take away 6'6. He's just Goat all the... He's a monster man. He is a monster. You can't take away 6-6.

He's just... he's 6-6 in the net. Skinner is 6-4. He made himself small in that, but he didn't find the puck. He was kind of like looking for it and it was over and it was gone already and it's back breaking. It's the timing of it. The timing of it. Yes. It's just you need a save regardless of whatever it was actually the context of your team battles back i mean we were three started talking about superstition like what is the mood like in that room like work the last time they played a playoff game was most heartbreaking moment of the

lives yeah i i happens is somebody stands up and says guys and we lost game one there is a bunch of guys in this room and Jamie you know this better than anyone there's an unwritten rule you don't single out the goaltender but McDavid or dry side will stand up and say there's a bunch of guys in this room that need to get their heads out of their asses if we're gonna win this series and one of the guys is the goalie and if he's not smart enough

to figure that out and shame on well do you see do you read anything into Chris Knoblock the head coach saying that not giving an answer on the game to start that means he's thinking about i do you know i do you think about it but i i think you have to think about it because this isn't you know steward skinner hasn't been the clear cut one this year pickards played a bunch of games

pull up his record for me because i got my yeah the last like I think he has 21 wins for them this year like he played a ton down the stretch and he actually played he played pretty darn good for them and he's not Ray Ferraro always has this saying he's an like he's an unmade bed in the net like he's a bit he's all over the place he doesn't have a clean butterfly but he battles in there and the team might just play harder for him in a different context But but did you hear the difference in like nob lock says I don't know who's who I'm starting But did you hear the difference in him and greener's tone? Yeah, it was like we have a Vezno trophies pretty good going exactly Yeah, it's like you could diffuse it immediately

Yeah, if you're not blocked you could just look at the guy and say why are you asking? Skinner's playing. The fact that you kind of say we haven't made a decision If I'm Skinner, I realize what that means and then if you play you got one more chance The rodeo is going to continue because a couple years ago there was the Vegas series There was another series where he I think he got pulled three or four times in the whole playoffs. Two years ago Yeah, and it's like Are we really gonna try like are we gonna try to win a cup with that rodeo because you can't do it I said it a couple years ago it's this in the end I

still think he starts tomorrow but I said this before short leash because the other guy they trust the other guy has won them games this year the other guy that I've got maybe you just said it you start the other guy then short leash because if you start a guy and say he's gonna be on a short lease he's probably not the guy you want to put in that it to begin with and then if you lose the hockey game and you're down to cob after one and you ultimately lose the game you're saying why the hell did we start him are we dumb that's that's why these coaches get paid a lot of money man they got to make the right

call anything I would say is it you challenge everybody cousin den everybody in that room stunk for about forty minutes quite a bit thirty nine you say everybody's got to be better including the guy in the net uh... not i was saying that i would say everyone's gotta get their head out of their ass and then i would do a little uh...

do a little horse on the only and just let them know that you're looking at let them know what's're looking at it. Let them know what's up. Mark Giordano in the studio. The Stollard's question, you know, like in terms of the way he played, there was so much debate. We had you on a couple weeks ago and we were asking you about, could we see a tandem in the playoffs?

And that ship has sailed after one game. But things change quickly in the playoffs. What would you anticipate Ottawa's game plan is against him tonight? I think they're gonna try and disrupt him get in his face but I think the one thing I noticed Tampa played them the other last week before the season and that they're ripping them high everywhere and I wonder if that's a scouting report I don't know what like he's so good down low you're not scoring on this guy down low It seems if the part like even cross cross ice one timers, he's getting across and he's there So I would say they're they're gonna try and put everything high, but they're gonna try and get in his face

I'm sure we're gonna see Brady a little more of an agitator tonight and Throwing the weight around a little what does that look like in your opinion? Like is that more in front of the net for In front of the net, trying to disrupt him, like stole ours more, but he'll be all over the ice. I thought he was a bit like, underwhelming last game compared to what he usually is. And I don't know if that's a little bit of rust. Probably the guy hasn't played in a long time. But he'll be back and he'll be fired up tonight for sure. But they're going to try and get there. I think both goals were rebound goals right if I'm ready yes correct so they're gonna try and use that probably and like the thing is before playoffs

the goalie coach comes in and he gives you a full video session full scouting report on every goalie so Ottawa knows where you can beat it like where his weaknesses are what his tendencies are it's just a matter of, they gotta get inside and get chances, but they also gotta like agitate him a bit and get in his face more. I didn't think they had many, they had a big shot lead in the first and second period, but they didn't have many quality chances. They weren't threatening. There was a lot of shots they put towards the net, but it was volume, it wasn't chances.

The other thing too is with a big goalie, you have to keep him in his net. So you, you, that's where traffic comes because that way, you know, if you take the spot just outside the crease, he can't push out, he can't get there. So, you know, again, it's fighting for that's keeping him in the net. You may see a little bit more, but he does cover the ice well. I wonder what those scouting reports ultimately wait to. Like, I could score a goal in the NHL, but when I was looking at a goal tender, if it was a big tall guy like Roman Turk or Roberto Luongo, I'm like, this is probably got to go five hole possibly top glove. Other than that, this is no chance of going in.

Small guy, I'm ripping it under the bar. Like what guy is going to say in a split second in a moment in the slot saying in that meeting that guy said you know what I mean like I love information and guys need information but what what what it amounts to is I'm curious like has anybody ever digested that scouting report in a split second and said oh that coach told me top blocker I'm gonna go top blocker and make it count and I wonder how different is it like the guy comes in and goes we need traffic yes thank you i know i appreciate that you come on get paid to say that guy doesn't like traffic yes i have and if you find an empty net that's you're

really in the water and i heard a good before the game would say this guy rises bike to the rain because he doesn't like traffic that i would say that you're subconscious it'll come true. Exactly. High blocker, high blocker. But that being said, Gio, if you've got a pre-scout on a guy and you get one opportunity to walk off the, it comes up the wall and you've got to walk and you've got to get it down to the front of the net and you know, hey, you know, Vasilevsky, we've got to get

it on his blocker side because there's traffic you probably are trying to you know in your mind subconsciously I wonder how many if they hammer at home if it actually affects you right well it just I it's weird I went to a goaltender seminar and they brought in all these goalie coaches from all over the world but they brought in shooting coaches and it was Jim Joevelski's shooting coach, a guy named Ron Johnson from Vancouver, unbelievable guy. And he talked about now, all of these elite shooters, it'd be interesting to see who Austin Matthews worked with and people

like that, they talk about quadrants of the net. It's like, okay, if I'm in the slot and I know, like somebody's on me, I just got to get it to the top quadrant. I got to get it top left, top right right that's where I think shooters are going nowadays oh it's not oh you got to do this and roll your wrist that it's like you know on a quick play with a big goaltender and then it's got to go you know right quadrant that's where and that's if you know he's moving that way or whatever that's now what these guys are taught I love the way that shooters have taken advantage like from

tough angles down low they know that that right under the bar over the ear like that that's that's where they're shooting the puck but that's where it's and I this is the wrong approach because I'm not a goaltender coach some goals you see and it's like man if you were kind of just standing up there yeah like that skinner flub shot like if he's just like standing there that hits him in the shoulder but they when you're going down right away you're taking a chance exactly you're all you're doing is Dave Mark who are gold gold coach in Calgary used to say you play the percentages that's it 82% of the shots are on the ice so you're trying to take away as much ice as possible and then find the puck I just

Skinner had no idea where that puck was you even see in the replay he's looking to his right like he's looking to his right. Like he's looking over there and it's over him already. Yeah. Well, listen, you know, you reset, all these teams are going to reset for game two tonight. And I'm curious, you know, I'd like, I'd like to get a read on how Ottawa looks at the fact that the Leafs had six different goal scores in game one. None of them were Austin Matthews. Yeah. Like that's another thing. I look at him tonight, like this feels like a big captaincy night for him.

It's his first year as the captain. He's been a leader on this team for a long time. When you play with him, sure you can. Big opportunity for him. But this is one, like, you know, you can, this is something you can focus on. I guarantee he'll start the game. I'd be surprised if he didn't.

We'll see. Maybe Green goes with a different line to start. Maybe he starts Cousins and and Brube goes a different direction But I would start Matthews and I would look at him and say go drag this team to two nothing Yeah, like it's a big night for him. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I would start them no matter regardless of my he starts and Yeah to get up to nothing because it hasn't been done in how long? They've never done it in the Matthews era. Oh really? They've never been up two nothing in a series.

So to go and grab it and for him to be the guy. They lost game one against the Habs. Well they smoked Tampa, then they got smoked the next day. Yeah, the Leafs in the Matthews, Marner, Nylander era have never been up two nothing in a series. Like that's a big opportunity tonight. You can't overthink that, right? Like I'm not sure, that's not a messaging necessarily before the game. Yeah, and if's a big opportunity tonight. You can't overthink that right? Like I'm not sure that's not a messaging necessarily before the game

If it doesn't happen it not the end of the world the end of the day. It's an opportunity. It's home ice You've got to do you've got to grab the opportunity. Yeah, that's really what a big time All right, Mark Turdano is in here until seven o'clock We've got the game tonight on TSM radio puck drop at 730 pregame at 7 Mike Kamel areas coming up Mike Johnson will be in studio, we've got Ralphie and Bonesy coming up from the rink. It's going to be an electric afternoon. You're doing panel work tonight?

Say hi to all the boys over there. It's about to shake your hands. You want to shake? Great stuff. There he is, the ODOT Jeff O'Neill. Overdrive continues, TSN 1050N on TSN 4. Alright, we got Mark Giordano in here. This is what I have to deal with every single day with these guys. So, he's always off to do panel work. No one knows what the hell he does the rest of the night.

And noodles, you will notice this if you come in with us more. He orders a chicken sandwich every single time he's in here. And at 530 he runs to get it. It's never ready. It's never ready. And he's never back here on time. So I have to extend the break. Today it wasn't ready so I grabbed a turkey sandwich and was heating it up. Yeah. Anyways, it's a good. It's all good. It's amateur hour. It's all good. The mics. Oh, yeah, Mike's are working. You know what Doogie was trying to impress you though? I think he was. I think he was too. You know, Geo's in studio one minute guys. Oh, yeah. The one minute.

He's doing the countdown. Oh, threatened him. And then that was it. Absolutely. Which is fine. But anyway, it's good to have you in here. we got Mike Kamelari coming up here in a moment. Cami will join us on the importance of game two and you don't want to overstate it but like you look at what Winnipeg did last night they took advantage of home ice against an inferior opponent they won game one and said let's lean on these guys. Now you breathe easier going down to St. Louis like it's a big opportunity for the Leafs tonight. Yeah, and as much as they, you know, they won 6-2, it's a blowout win in the end. Like there are areas where I'm sure they know they can get better.

So I'd assume, like knowing Barube as a coach and knowing, you know, he's a hard-nosed guy, he's gonna hammer on them and stay on them. And he's done it all year. Like whenever they've had something to respond to, they have. And I'm expecting the messaging from Toronto will probably be, let's get better five on five. Let's try and carry the play five on five. Ottawa's gonna say our special teams needs to be a lot better.

We need to be disciplined. And obviously, I think all Mark Mark knows he needs to be better. So any tweaks in the lineup from the Leaf side? Did you see anything? I don't believe so. I think Holmberg is gonna start on the second line. Dome is gonna start center of the third line but they're not gonna make any adjustments. But yeah, Ottawa will find out tonight. Yeah, no new faces. No new faces. There will be new faces. Like Nick Cousins I think said I'm looking forward to bringing something to the group tonight I think hammond X gonna come in to for an Hammond I could only kill writing so too yeah all right we've got a mutual

front on the line last time we saw cammy was up at Boston pizza he put a clinic on he really did show up yeah he was talking about the Vaughn Kings and the jacket he used to wear he's a legend up there oh I know he's a legend did you guys play minor hockey together or against each other or anything? No, Cammy's old. He's older than me. He's an 82 is it? I know about Mike Camilleri growing up. Oh, he was like, he was a star. And he was a second coming of Jeff O'Neill.

He really was like, I'm, I, you know, my son is now in Vaughn hockey and Cammie's like a Vaughn hockey Hall of Famer. And he's Italian which is up there. Yes. What a bridge area. Mike Camel. They'd be like I don't know he was okay. Yeah. Camelari. Mike Camelari in Vaughn. Yeah. Rings out and here he is joining us I think on FaceTime. Look at this guy. Look at this cat. What's up Cammie? What's up guys nice to see you all. Nice to see you. Great to see you.

When you're watching the Stanley Cup playoffs, now you would have played in it you know, a lot throughout your career. Do you get flashbacks? Do you get nostalgia? I mean, what what kind of experience do you have watching games? Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, the energy would galvanize the city better than Stanley Cup playoffs in Canada. You know, as a player, it's really the most fun I mean from a scheduling perspective from a lifestyle perspective you kind of play every other day everyone leaves you

alone there's no you know the practice days are just skate around feel good and it's all about game time show time so I love playoffs it was it was the most fun plan yeah and in terms of like the coaching decisions, we're talking about this party you coming on the Leafs aren't going to do anything. What's a room like? Like, how would you compare and contrast the room after a win compared to after a loss, especially if you're kind of bracing for coaching changes? In other words, I guess it plays yourself an Ottawa's room yesterday

and you kind of have an idea someone's coming in someone's coming out you know is that is that Joel thing is it unsettling is it what is that reaction like in the room I guess it depends on who you are in the room and I think the one the thing about playoffs is as you're jockeying through the season you're you know you're thinking about where your team is and the standings and where your role is on the team. But when it comes to the playoffs, it really is kind of that real optimism of just every night you're trying to win and find a way to win and everybody has the dream of going

all the way. So with that collective energy, I guess, I don't know, to answer the question specifically, it's hard to go back to those days and think, what did it feel like when there was a change? You're kind of waiting to see what the coaches are gonna think, but I just remember feeling like we really had to take the bull by the horns, so to speak, and take control of our own destiny.

Cami, were you a superstitious player or a routine-orientated player? I believed in habits, but my only superstition was to try not to have superstitions because I didn't want to rely on like, you know, if I didn't do my skates up the same way, I think all that that affected how I played. So I, I tried not to have any superstitions, but definitely, uh, do you and I like to have the same meal every day in Calgary? What was that place called, Gio?

Was it Austria? No. No, it was after us, Theria was Villa Forens, right, Cami? Villa Forens, yeah. We did olive oil, chicken, the whole thing going. So we had our traditions, I guess. I was more habit-oriented as a player than anything else. And again, playoffs was great for that because I don't know about you guys,

but like for me, it was like everyone knew just to leave me alone. And it was just like the naps were better. The meals were better. It was just all that mattered was the game the next day or that day. Right. Was it, was that your experiences too as well, Geo? Like home games, road games. I mean, did it all kind of feel the same I guess come playoff time? Yeah, like you're just checked out from the outside world. The only thing I'll add to that is, yeah, I'm like, Cam, the one thing I'll say is like from game to game it's crazy. Like we were down three nothing to Florida and

like you never lose that optimism no matter what happens either way. So it really is game to game and that's why I think some coaches believe in momentum from one game to the next. And then there's other coaches who are like, it doesn't exist. Every game starts fresh. I sort of lean that way because that's a feeling you get as a player. Going into each game, it's like a whole new set of circumstances, but yeah, there's no better time. The weather's getting warmer, you're getting to the rink and feeling good about yourself, your body feels a little bit better in the warm weather,

and you're playing every other night, so it's good. You can feel it, huh? Yeah, Cami, did you ever feel, and we were talking about this yesterday, Tim Stootsla had eight, eight hits, and did you ever feel like and we were talking about this yesterday, you know, Tim Stootsla had 8-8 hits and you know, did you ever feel like the playoffs you maybe had to step out of your comfort zone something different than you were maybe known for? You were a goal scorer, you were a skilled guy. Did you feel like you either wanted to or had to prove something or try and do something different in the playoffs?

That's a great point, Udall. Yeah, I thought our first year in Calgary there, Gio, I thought we all did as a group. I mean, we ran into Chicago's coming out party. They ended up, you know, we thought we'd take it to them physically. And I mean, I punched Marty Havillat in the face, so I had to play with him right off of face off. And, you know, Darrell and Darrell Sutter and Keenan were kind of, they got us all going and we had our targets on the other team.

And I think I definitely came out of probably the game that made me more effective trying and Keenan were kind of, they got us all going and we had our targets on the other team and I think I definitely came out of probably the game that made me more effective trying to be overly physical so I can totally, and that was my first experience in the playoffs, so I can totally resonate with a player like Stutsel and maybe what he was going through. I thought we made, you know, looking back in hindsight, I think we would have been better served kind of sticking to our game. We were already a tough team that year. Well, yeah, go ahead. Damien, that was not a punch to the face. That was a butt end right to the guy's chop.

Well, you know, as Noodle alluded to, I grew up in the tough streets of Vaughn. You had to take care of yourself once in a while. Absolutely. Fights your way out of it. You know what? I remember I was on the staff like we should have won that series should we have not have? That was 08-09 in Calgary I'm looking at it here. I know the answer. I'm pretending like I don't know. We should have won that series. I'm looking at hockey. I don't know I mean it was Chicago's coming out, but I felt like we gave him a pretty good run We we were up there or at least like played hard in Chicago What do you make? But like that night in Chicago, I do that to have a lot, and he scores the overtime winner.

So like, I don't know, I mean, just looking back on it, it's like, maybe I should have been focused on other things. Well, a couple overtime games. Yeah, that's what I mean, it was a coin flip thing, and Chicago was a great city. Even the coaching staff enjoyed themselves there. Oh, I'm sure you would, playoffs or otherwise, it doesn't matter, You have to enjoy yourself.

We spent a lot of time in Chicago there but yeah that was I felt like you're right it was Chicago's like getting to the next level type of thing but man we played them hard. Well in Ottawa you know Travis Green was talking about it today that he felt a lot of their young players who were making their playoff debuts were nervous and he doesn't expect that to continue who were making their playoff debuts were nervous, and he doesn't expect that to continue tonight. Do you buy into that theory, Cammie? Like game one to game two, in terms of your first two playoff games,

was there a tangible difference or were you still nervous? I think so. Like it's really hard to describe how much energy you're putting out in these games, especially your first ones. Like it is substantially different how hard you try in every play every hit every stride and It's too hard to sustain

so the longer you play in them the more you understand that you want to keep your kind of pace and Energy and be as effective as you can so I I do buy into that and that that ties into kind of an earlier theme You guys had mentioned which is another beautiful thing about playoffs is you can build any narrative you want right like that energy like Geo's saying that eternal Optimism in the room you go down you feel like you have nothing to lose you go up You feel like it's our time like whatever energy you want to build in the room You build it because it's gonna serve you that night, right? Absolutely Mike Kamelari with us game two tonight Leafs sends Yeah in terms of the Leafs big boys, you know, like they're veterans. They played obviously a lot of playoff games. They haven't had a ton of playoff success in terms of series over series over series.

But what did you make of the fact that, you know, Matthews and Marner and Willie and Tavaros, like they had the games they had in game one. They all put up numbers. They all got on the game sheet. They all contributed. Like, how significant is that? You know, you were a player like that, a skilled player that was expected to contribute offensively Getting on the board game one, you know, how big is that for confidence building going into game two and beyond?

Yeah, I wouldn't under I wouldn't yeah, I would put huge value on that I think for those guys it helps it makes you feel like it's part of your responsibility And the burden you carry as a guy who's relied upon to produce is you want to produce. And so that's a great way to start. It puts a little more balance in your step. It allows you to kind of freeze you up to make a little bit more comfortable plays. It allows you to play defense with a little bit more of a stride that you want.

It allows you to play offense and make the plays without pressing it or squeezing the stick. I see this goal. That was a gorgeous goal there and a great path to set them up. So I without pressing it or squeezing the stick. I see this goal. That was a gorgeous goal. They're on a great path to set them up. So I think that's huge for those guys. And I mean, I think for relief fans, I mean, it's like any year could be your year. There's no reason why this year can't be their year.

There's no reason why it can't be every year. So with the group they have, so it's exciting for them. Yeah, that's what they're banking on. Like you're waiting for these guys you just got to break loose. Yeah you got to break through and you know it'll be a fun one tonight. You know we've been talking about goaltending and you know Noodle's is now on an island here as you know the only goalie in the room but in terms of your reaction when you don't get a great performance from your goalie in the playoffs we referenced what happened in

Edmonton. Almark in game one he wasn't wasn't great for Ottawa How did you approach that topic? Like if you're doing media after the game and someone's gonna ask you about your goalie during the playoffs in particular What was what was your approach? No, I think we might have lost cammy. He didn't want to answer that on Goal, he didn't want to start chirping goaltending. I don't necessarily blame him. We'll see if we can get him back. Yeah, I just I believe it. Like I've been around, especially being the backup, you

here, right? Like I'm sitting right beside the D and a goal goes in and you can just hear the guys on the bench go, God, you need that one. Mix one in, you know, like, or, you know, comments here or there. or there right like it happens but when you have a good goalie and this is the difference like you you brought it up in geo and I thought it was a great point the guys in Ottawa believe in all mark because all mark you know when he plays his capabilities he's a hell of a goaltender yes so they're going if we're gonna be in this series you have to do what you do. Right. I think Edmonton's different because they look at their goaltending, it's like, they're, they're good.

Just be okay. Just be okay. Like I think Edmonton looked at, they made it to the finals and within one, you know, we'll call it two goals, you lost two one of winning a Stanley Cup with a tandem that would be deemed as average in the national. Absolutely. We got Mike Kamelari back. Cammie, I don't know if you heard me about goaltending and if your goalie's kind of a sieve in game one or any of these games. As a veteran in the room, I'm sure you would have been asked about it. How did you generally approach that topic?

Yeah, I didn't have to. Fortunately, we had Yuro Hallak just playing out of his mind in Montreal and Kipper and Cowers. So I was fortunate I didn't have to experience that. But I don't know. But I will say I watched that last night. And with Connor and Leon in particular, it's just hard not to bleed for these guys. I mean, they're just so good.

And they're playing so hard. And they're doing so much to come back from that. But you never, you never, I mean, hockey is the constant team sport and you just, you never truly feel that way. You win and lose a team, you always feel like you could have done more, we could have done more, we could have done better, and that's how you go into these things.

Well, you mentioned Halak, that was that run in 2010, and Ovi was on that Caps team, and he scores the OT winner last night. Like, what do you make of this guy? The fact that he's still breaking records, he's scoring 40 in the season, he scored two last night, he's throwing hits, he's a monster still, and you were going up against him 15 years ago. I know, it's unbelievable. Well, that was 15 years ago.

Yeah, it's impressive. I mean, there's nothing else to say than hats off to him. And we've got to witness greatness and great goal scoring and the energy he brings and the way he scores. It's just, it's just, sometimes he just does things so randomly too. Like we obviously know the goals he scores, but like off the shaft last night and the way he just runs over and runs through people, it's always been exciting since his first day in the league. He's always just been a fun guy to watch. So that year when we played them, we like on the power play, we just took him right out. And number seven, he was a really good player too. He had

like point blank slot shots all series long. He just couldn't beat a lot. And I was just, that's great. Do you remember that Montreal run? There was a big argument because they traded Hallak to make room for Price. Gary Price. And people were like, what are you doing? And Carey Price is Gary Price. But Hallak had taken the team deep in the playoffs and was a hero and they traded him what to St. Louis. St. Louis.

Yeah, that's right. Crazy. I think it was Bob Ganey that was running the show back then, Cam. Yeah, it was Bob and that wasn't easy on Kerry. But Kerry was good. He just kind of, listen, the goalie got hot and he knew it was going to be his time. And we all knew, I mean, you had the guy in practice every day, you knew he was the next greatest goalie in the world. It's just, Yarrow got hot and Yarrow was obviously very good, had a fantastic career. And Kerry was still pretty young and yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, it a fantastic career and Kerry was still pretty young and

yeah that's what happened. Yeah it sure did man that was a magical run again 15 years ago and even the celebration from Ovi what was he doing? Like he's using his stick as a wand, it was amazing last night. He's 40 years old. He's 39. Is he 39? I think he's 39, he might be forty said that he was a he's fifty gray hair any each subway with the other season by the guy like the other day he caffeine the guys sleep at night about this but i'd heard is after the game they're asking about the going as a cause not a big deal just another gold amway there are a few cc celebrated and i thought that for him it is a yes the way he operates all the time you're right yes has coke in his water bottle on the bench. Like, what would that be like?

I guess everything's marked so you wouldn't drink out of some guy's... But back in the day, maybe someone grabbed that at some point and was like, this is coke. Some guys spray water on their face and get coke all over their face. Oh, he's got a completely different way of operating. Incredible. His reaction still to every goal is just like, it's his first and he's got a completely different way of operating incredible You're right his reaction stills every goal is just like it's his first and he's 12 years old. It's it's it's his way of doing it Yeah, absolutely. And that was a big one last night. All right, Cami great catching up with you, man. We appreciate you doing this Okay, boys. Thanks for having me. Nice seeing you guys. You got it. There's my camilary Yeah, so funny it is funny man. I forgot like I. Larry. I mean, yeah, so funny. It is funny, man

I forgot like I was looking at you know, obviously Mike's Hockey DB, but he was on that Habs team in 0 9 10 And that's when Halak went on that run and cammy had a great playoff 13 goals in 19 games He had a great he's a great player I was great player great player and the butt like Bell Center was buzzing every single for every other night keep in mind when he was playing that was still the end of like a bunch of mutants in the league. And he's not a big guy. But he's physically, Cammie's a strong...

Strong, and a low center of gravity. But I mean like there were mutants chasing around back in the day. That's the... He has the best line, Cammie. he'd be club two guys covering him like no No way you could get this past the cammy and he'd be like, did you see me there? We'd go in the back So the one time I literally we went back to in the back of the dressing room like show me where you're open on the video Yeah, and he shows me and there's like literally guys and I'm like you're not open. There's two guys in between

He goes my stick was open. Yeah That's all that matters. I find my tape that's on you. It's not on me. I love it I'm not breaking loose from these two guys. You got to make sure I get the puck and I'll take it from there I love it. Thanks to Mike Kamelari. Appreciate him doing that game to tonight leaf sends right here on TSM radio We'll tee it up throughout the afternoon. Mike Johnson in studio in about 15 minutes. Joe Bowen, Jimmy Ralph coming up as well. Our best bet still to come too.

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