OverDrive - OverDrive - April 25, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' overtime win against the Senators, Simon Benoit's winner in the game, Brandon Hagel's hit on Aleksander Barkov and Nick Cousins shooting a puck towards Anthony Stolarz. Former NHLer and Coming In Hot Podcast Host Jason York joins to discuss the Maple Leafs' series lead against the Senators, Ottawa's game faults and the impactful players in the series.

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Hey Z what's your mindset? after game three last night I know there was probably a lot of boxes checked for you because you had a keen eye on what the maple leafs were gonna do last night. Yes, I did. I'm sure all of us did. I'm sure everyone in the province of Ontario did and I would guess people around the league. I'm very impressed with those maple leafs. They're in a very good position here. Before we get into the actual ice hockey, if you're a grown-ass man, and I saw these two dudes, one had the number 19 and the other guy had 67 and the one guy had Leaf fans and the other guy had suck. Like I get it. You don't like the Leaf fan but that's a waste of mine.

It's a crazy move for grown men like two guys in their 40s can I imagine if you were like? You had a kind of a big-time gig and you you saw work colleagues, and you're like Your leaf fans suck guy Jersey guy Here my boss. Yeah, it's a tough one to really explain It is hard to... You're right. Fandom changes people regardless because you're right. You can go, that guy works on Bay Street, he makes two million a year and he's a lunatic when it gets to a sporting event.

You name it. He loves his Cincinnati Bengals and he loves his whatever. You name it. But you're like, that's not the person I know in the boardroom or it would be I don't know be like our boss Jeff McDonald who you know pretty reserved pretty you know thoughtful guy and then all of a sudden he's a lunatic somewhere. Well when it comes to Tiger Woods well that fair. Turns into a lunatic. Yeah, but I don't know of them as showing up with, you know, Phil Mickelson Phil socks, you know, shirt, he doesn't on Friday where a red golf shirt and a black hat and black trousers

with a golf club in his pocket. Maybe, I mean, maybe this is a bad example. I apologize. Let's not imagine barging into his office on a friday in he had full tiger gear with a glove on doing a conference call it would be a very camera opposition for everyone to be in yeah it's assumed that he's got the camera off because he's in the background swinging yes he's working on a short game dressed as tiger uh... but you're right that that is how people have lost their careers over that because of like video and obviously a jersey isn't gonna warrant that clearly. I mean it's a rivalry. It's a good line.

1967 we get it. It lands. It's a good one. It's a good line. I'm not gonna argue against that. But there have been you know idiots that have gone to sporting events and pick fights and sucker punch somebody. It's like, well, you're done. Your career is gone. Oh yeah, you're right. Because the base comes up on Viz, and then somebody says, oh, that's so-and-so. It happened recently.

It was a Packers versus Chicago or something, and some guy was just absolutely teeing off on somebody in front of him. The pick came up, and it went viral, viral and they searched him out and he got fired. Yeah, exactly. Well, all I was thinking about is, do you remember, was it in Chicago, Adam Partey's helmet goes into the, hearing that scrum and that guy, that booze bag put the helmet on and I think he took a swipe at somebody.

You're not going to lose a career over that. No, but I think he took a swipe at somebody. The girl he was with dumped a beer. If you go back on that... That guy was so goon. His face was on sideways. He was so buckled. I didn't notice any physical altercation.

I just saw the most ridiculous thing you're ever going to see in terms of helmets and all that and what the guy was doing in terms of how that all played out with the booze and all that but yeah listen the Leafs are up three nothing like it's just it's you couldn't ask for a better start and this is why you chased down the division this is it because you would you prefer to be in Tampa shoes and playing a team like Florida this is why you earned it this is why you chased down the division. This is why you made sure that everyone was playing

and peaking at the end so you'd get a team in Ottawa that you match up really well against. And you know, I think you can make the argument maybe the series should be 2-1. Of course, last two games have gone to overtime. You know, a couple bounces go one way or the other. Ottawa's maybe up to one. You can make that argument, but I think the Leafs have looked like the more veteran team.

I think they look like the team that's had more scar tissue, more experience in the playoffs. I thought game two and three were very similar in nature. I mean, they played out in very similar ways in terms of the Leafs having a lead in the third, really locking it down, and then Ottawa literally on their first shot they score. And on top of that, with the next great opportunity was Ottawa and Stolars makes an incredible save where in game two it was Cousins, the glove save, and last night it was Batherson in all alone. He made an unbelievable stop after Kachuk had tied it.

And then you barely get into overtime you're barely in your seat and Domi wins it a couple nights ago and Benoit wins it last night it's it's a very very comfortable position the Leafs find themselves in right now but I think they've earned it I think they played very well but it you know what it's funny and you're right like these are margins of errors it's a small detail but we talked about game two, you know, Batherson That's a backhand saucer through the middle. It's three instead of through the body It's trying to go through the hands on on Domi coming back

Here's a small detail a lost draw in the defensive. Yes killing that's it But that's and killing and then the second part on top of that credit to awesome Matthews credit to And then the second part on top of that, credit to Austin Matthews, credit to Maple Leafs for doing it, they're D getting their shots through. Mike Kelly had a great stat from Sport Logic saying how Ottawa hasn't been able to get their shots through, Toronto has. But it's a fine line in the playoffs and you've been able to do it at small details, but that's what puts you on the winning side as opposed to the losing side. And I thought it was a good game

I thought it was exciting and you know crowd seemed to be like great Yeah, there were a lot like the sense fans showed up last night And I thought it was I thought it was a really rambunctious crowd. It's a fun night. Kachuk scores. His celebration was incredible But you know if you're Ottawa, and I think Travis Green handled it very well after the game He's like where you can't sugar coat it, you're down 3-0. You're in big, big trouble and only four teams in the history of the Stanley Cup playoffs have come back from that. Now it's on the lease to, I think clearly, you want to bury them tomorrow night. Just end it, it's over, just finish it. Don't allow them to feel like they've got any hope, any reason to push it to six or seven and again with the Tampa Florida series

which you can't have your eye on necessarily yet but Florida's up to nothing like Florida Florida's in a really good spot and they're going home for game three so maybe that series doesn't go seven maybe it doesn't turn into a war yeah I mean it has been a war though. Watching that game, like I don't know, like they, that Ottawa, sorry, Tampa, Florida. You want it to be a prolonged war though, Jamie. But that's the point. It's not a war if it's four games. It can't be.

No, no, but I'm talking every whistle is a punch in the face. Every, like, they're, like, those teams have ice bags on. Like they're, and that Hagel he's going to get, I don't know what he's going to get. He better get three games I was I think that's no no better or worse than bunting on Chernak two years ago for me I think he's getting one game I thought that's as gutless of a hit as you can throw I mean he Barkov never touches the puck no but he's he can he can argue that that he thought Barkov touches the puck I've looked at at different today, and I agree with you.

He doesn't touch the puck. It's 100% suspendable, but I think that's what his defense is going to be. He was there and the puck came flying out of there. Bottom line, he committed to a hit and he had no business committing to it. The puck was nowhere near the Chernak one. That was on the board. Right, but it's the same thing. thing pops them and I don't know I hear what you're saying that that will be hago's explanation I'm sure and it's I'm not defending believe me. I I'm not just a gutless hit and Barkov leaves. He's hurt

Yeah, I think it's three games personally. I don't think you can accept that like that's a brutal hit and he left the game I don't know if he'll be back for game three. We'll see I would guess he won't get three I'm guessing he probably gets one. We'll see but because that argument I think that's a reasonable one that he looked at it looked like Barkov had just touched the puck But I mean the puck was actually in the vicinity where the other one like bonding the puck was not even close Like I don't think those are comparable. Yeah I do agree it's a suspend it's a suspension like that's you know the puck was with with bunting the puck was already halfway up the wall I hear it's not nowhere near as vicious though like bunting popped them it was greasy right right flying like no I agree if you're

a barcub and you don't touch the puck oh you can speak to this better than I can you you're a bar cub and you don't touch the puck, oh, you can speak to this better than I can. You're never expecting a train to be coming at you. You're blindsided, man. And he's flying with the intention of burying him. And he doesn't have the puck. He committed to the hit and it was half anticipation and half grease where it was like, I'm going to commit, this guy's going to get the puck and turn the corner. The puck never gets to him. And he just said, I'm going gonna commit this guy's gonna get the puck and turn the corner the puck never gets to him and he just said I'm gonna bury

this guy anyway I agree like I he might be wrong right you're right it's a superstar you might be right he might get three games I might be wrong on that but I I thought if I was watching last time like that's a game for sure it might be it might be three you know I could reason with any of it I think the point you make is Definitely valid and it's totally different from bunting from that standpoint because the puck wasn't even close like it wasn't right in the vicinity What I'm not excusing bunting I thought he deserved what he got like that I'm not it's not revisionist history where I'm like well bunting should have gotten this and he got that he deserved everything

He got I just thought the Hegel hit it and it's barkov and he left the game That's not good, man. That was a big one. And if you're Tampa and Hagels does miss a game or more than that, you're in serious trouble, man. Yeah, like that's the difference too. Is Hagels not a, Hagels not bunting. Like Hagels is a top tier player too. So, but I thought it was a greasy hit and I thought it was an opportunist hitick hit like at a guy in a vulnerable spot, but man. Oh man like that One goal game there. That's one the difference is Bobrowski was one better than Vasilevsky now They're going home up to Cobb and they got Ekblad coming back right and you talk about tight games Jamie. I think the Maple Leafs

I'm a big believer in like positive mojo and having a gut feeling like The year we went to the finals in Carolina We'd have over times and guys like Nicholas Walleen and Merrick Malik We're ripping home overtime goals and you see that stuff start happening And I don't think it's a bad thing to think or say to yourself or it's like man maybe maybe this is our time to do something and go on a run here like seaman ben was set up to plays in overtime that should kinda maybe get

everybody's brain thinking like maybe this is our time this is you know it's not austin matthews although he did score a goal it's not william neilander we're just winning and maybe it's our time to break through i think it's okay to pile on top of some positive mojo. They are playing well. They're playing poised. They're comfortable when it's low event. But when you start having that stuff happen, just keep piling on top of it and believing that, you know what, maybe this is our time. Because we were the little Carolina Hurricanes where it was like, what are we even doing here? And you have games. We had a game in Montreal, we were down 3-1 in the third, we came back

and we won it in overtime, Nick Wallin. And it's like, maybe it's our time. Like, maybe we're going to do something with this. Well, you have to keep playing like that. Yeah, you just keep running with it. I think we can talk about that. I think in that dressing room, Craig Barube is going you gotta win more one more game he's not saying it's our time is not a bad point jimmy is you get a feeling where if you get to

overtime you almost trick yourself into thinking yeah you know you're gonna win because i don't know do you look up our record that you're in oh two in the playoffs but we just got to overtime and it was like we knew we're gonna win it was it was great feeling obviously we were going to win. It was a great feeling obviously. Yeah, well when things are breaking your way and again this is back to back overtime where it's been quick.

Like, Domi was three minutes in last night, it was less than that. Like it's off a draw, it's in the back of the net. Yeah, it's just immediately it's in the net. That's the difference though, like the point being is the small details,'s what cost you you can't take your foot You've got to have a 50-50 battle on a draw and not get cleaned out You can't be soft on the back check you like and those are things that you know Whether it happens in four or five whatever Ottawa will take for that and go you know what like plus you can look at your roster and go okay

What do we what we're missing here like that's the type of stuff when like there is still things you can take from it. But I, you know what? I thought it was a good game. I thought Anthony Stoller said another solid night. Like that's it. That's another positive storyline. I thought Olmork was good. I didn't blame him on, you know, anything.

I thought he looked really good. A couple of good saves in tight. It was a good hard fought battle. I thought it was a good playoff hockey game to watch last night. Yeah. And ultimately again, the Leafs are in the driver's seat. They were supposed to be. Not to this extent.

I wasn't predicting they'd be up 3-0. I thought it would be a longer series. It still very well could be. We'll see what happens tomorrow night. We'll see what happens if it gets to a game five because the pressure can flip. With the Leafs have shown, forget all the X's and O's and all the details it's it there is a an element of calm calmness that they're they're supplying like with the way that they're playing and they have been showing that this year like they have not been

playing a high wire overly entertaining style of hockey two different times they've held like the sense that no shots for like ten minutes or more. Yeah. Like the third period. You've never heard games. You've never said those two things in the same sentence. Ever. Exactly. And will it get more difficult if and when you get to a next round and the round after that? Of course. But you're also allowed to build up the confidence in the mojo, which is I think what you're referencing here, where, you know, the Leafs have been through the wringer and they've, they've been chasing things in the past and You know, they're always gonna have to prove themselves

Everyone has to continue to do that But I think you've got to give credit where it's due like they had a really Solid game plan that they executed through the regular season with their eyes on the prize of winning the division They did that and now through three games They're in the best spot They've ever been like they haven't been up three nothing in in a series in 24 years, and at no point in this Matthews era. So continue it, continue to play with the same poise, continue to play with the same

defensive approach. And if you get Chip and guys like Benoit, like Simone Benoit, watching him on the podium with Auston Matthews last night was wild to witness because that has never happened in obviously the history of the Simone Benoit types. Last time that happened probably was 24 years ago. Corey Cross was probably up there with Matt Sundeen. Probably Sundeen and Corey Cross Well when he scored that OT winner. He scored game three 24 years ago. The same thing to go up three nothing. That was in Toronto not in Ottawa. It was the same thing like three minutes into overtime

game three Cory Cross scores. I wasn't aware that series was a sweep. It was a sweep. Yeah. I didn't know that before you were telling me today. That was the two versus seven. That was the year where Ottawa was heavily favored too. They were the two seed the Leafs were the seventh seed and that was a sweep 24 years ago. Jason York was on that team. We got Yorkie coming up in 20 minutes. I'm sure he can't wait to discuss that. But watching, there it is. Barreson was in the middle of everything for a couple of years in the battle of Ontario. But you know, Benoit and Austin Matthews are up there and Matthews is comfortable Matt. That's where he should be. He's the captain.

He scored a goal of beauty beauty He played really well last night But you've got benoit, you know leading the russian overtime in game two and scoring the winner in game three That's your sixth defenseman making a million dollars You got to have it like you got to have those stories and they're very unique and they're very they're long overdue for this team It's good for him because there were times where It looked dicey for him to be in the lineup. Damn right. I mean like that's it's a great story because there are times like you know in a perfect world we were like not sure hey Meyer might be in there you start moving pieces around

like he was. We're having the hockey pot shots. I was just gonna say he might have been on the outside looking in but he's stuck with it He's been steady I did Jerry Hockenpah has been a name that we've thrown around He's making more money than Benoit. Well, you might be but kid paws making more money I think they extended him didn't Benoit didn't he get an extension or am I wrong? Oh, they did. Yeah Yeah, they they last year cuz he was a find right? He had been in Anaheim and jumped around and he had a camp last Year in a good start and they they gave him a deal and they pounced on it kind of the Bobby McMahon

Deal, you know halfway through the year was playing well and they said all right, let's keep him around. We like this guy And it's paid off for them clearly and yeah, you know He he may not score another goal literally the rest of his career Like he might not or he might score again tomorrow night Like it's just the kind of thing that kind of run he's on right now i don't know but it's a great it's a good story but the other is one but it comes back to the details of

winning a draw getting the puck to the net and and hitting the net to hitting the spot like you gotta get it to a quadrant get it to an area where you know the goalie either as an adjusted or there's some space there and keep in mind you know from the Ottawa standpoint nobody gets in that lane you got to have a forward rush out there and and was it nice who was the there was a body and I jumped well they both jumped kind of out of the way like hey we got to get let this go by like you know it was just a it's a detailed part and you know they execute

the least details exactly they're winning a face-off circle they're winning in the biggest you know battles you need and they're getting the the goals you know that ultimately are gonna turn the lights out on the game and it's it's big because Ottawa I think you know game 2 and game 3 they never really had a chance in overtime happen so quick in the park turn the other way so quickly they never really had a chance to even test dollars realm and you know stores again another great story so

will continue to look back on game three last night uh... there was i guess some stuff going on in the pregame that uh... has led to a couple of lines i get that this stuff is reported on by drags and others but what are we doing here like it's just you is one of the other you either find so cousin like a shot of pocket stole ours he's been fine two thousand dollars in the team's been fine twenty five grand here him shooting a pocket stole ours yeah Yeah, I didn't see that part. I thought he was I've grand

Got 25 grand. Yes, and he got the maximum maximum whatever it is two grand according to his salary Yeah, I didn't see that part I thought it was at the end of warm-up where guys like You know stand at center ice and they flick it up and then they shoot it in for the final shot on the goaltender I didn't see this, you know, shooting along the wall. Even this tape, it's like this Pruder film, man. Yeah, I know. Who's up on the grassy knoll here when Cousins is trying to kill Stolarz?

But you can't be stupid and warm up. You can't be, well, you can't be stupid and warm up. It's a stupid play. It is. But especially if he thought it was a joke and Stolarz would think it was funny and if Stolarz did think it was funny and if Stolarz did think it was funny and it was like, hey buddy. And then afterwards having your team getting fined 25 grand for that, I mean that's just,

I don't know. I got to be honest. Like the goalie, Hofer, whatever the guy's name is, is St. Louis was shooting pucks down at Shifeley the other night. Is he going to get fined too? Same type of thing. Stupid. I think guys just got to smart not been over there in in warm up

but ultimately i like the way greenie handle is like i can't speak about it well we got a rich and i think this is before the final findings came out i can't believe we're sent the fine yeah but uh... travis was well aware that there was a the league investigation on the cousins shooting the park gate from last night and here's what travis green had to say this morning Well mark, you know, it's an active investigation. I don't know if I should be commenting Have you reviewed the video I have people that have advised me maybe not to comment on it. I'm kidding.

Yeah, I saw the video. It's... Nick Cousins and Stollers have played together. I don't know. Yeah, he's probably trying to either laugh at him or make a joke or get him off his game and is what it is. Yep. What did he say? He said, yeah, I know him.

Game within the game happens probably a lot more than you think. Alright, well it's going to cost Michael Landlauer $25,000. The game within Michael and lower $25,000 the game within the game 25k But yeah, it's it's something man. I mean, I I thought In York, I think it is overblown I do think stupid it's easy to also just be clear and mature and just say don't shoot pucks at the other Exactly. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, they're trying to stop an escalation of something else happening tomorrow night where like in the OHL, I don't know if people know this, the refs are on the ice that used to be in warm up.

The NHL, I don't believe there's no refs on the ice. So it's like both teams are out there and it could go sideways but is this going to lead to something? I don't know. It seems kind of goofy that we're In junior in the Western League we used to have to separate we used to have to warm up separately I know and the oh we just did five minutes early the visiting team the home team goes out five minutes earlier than the home Team that's it. It's just because of the Brawls you couldn't you weren't allowed nowadays That's not gonna happen just I mean it's it's yeah

but we can't get into it with York like what kind of reaction I look at Brady Kachuk like he runs hot you know he's emotional if it game gets carried away tomorrow night this Ottawa are gonna try to you know take a pound of flesh on the way out is that possible we'll see we'll get into it we'll start teeing up game four tomorrow Jason you're coming up Mike Johnson will join us later this afternoon the Jays are at Yankee Stadium For a three game series starting tonight So we'll get to that the NFL draft round two Chardour Sanders still available if anyone wants them You know we'll get into that a little bit later on as well. Yeah, dude. What about what about the the draft room?

He built at his house Yes, well and listen he comes they got a lot of money There's a lot of eyes on them and him and it was a tough night for a lot of different people Not just Chidora Sanders a lot of different people analyzing that draft last night So we'll tell you more about it later this afternoon overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN for mail Mail It In Friday was brought to you by Boston Pizza, Canada's favorite sports bar. This playoff season, Boston Pizza is planning the parade.

It has a new all-star playoff menu for you to enjoy. For pizza, pints and puck drops, visit your local Boston Pizza today. All right, Jason York in a few moments, I had someone send me a DM on Instagram saying, at least have won like seven games in a row, Why aren't you playing the Major League theme song? And I don't know, I don't want to jinx it up for the Leafs anyway. I was just going to say, why would you play that when like...

Remember last time we played it? They'd won five in a row? And then what happened? They lost the next game. Okay. It was a tough... It was a tough decision to play that song. JP is the guy who runs the show around here. JP and Dookie would need a fresh start next week.

If they end up winning on Saturday, that's when you play it. That's when it will be played again. I understand, but it's a lot of room for playing. I understand that, but it just, I don't know. It's a poor decision, I think. All right, you're superstitious. I get it. Well, I have slight superstition and I remember the last time. that i don't know it's a poor decision i think i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i

you know i just i remember the last time because i wasn't on the show and then i came back and you guys have played at the day before and then what happened they didn't win to your like okay and you guys even called yourselves out so we just played the song yes you can't get away every game and you know rules are rules you established on and major league theme song gets played every once in a while fair enough, but listen the Leafs are in a very good spot and I am Somewhat taken aback because we've talked about this a lot during the regular season right that you know

Why not enjoy the ride last year enjoy Matthews chasing 69 this year? They're chasing the division You got new players you get a new coach you get a new vibe i understand i'm not here to to lecture anyone in terms of you know how jaded someone is or how they feel about the team i i'd get why you would feel you know uncomfortable with the maples because their history i get it and and just because they want three in a row does not mean they have accomplished anything

but the amount of leaf and that I have messaging me and Talking to me. They're like just wait. They'll run into Florida and get it's like guys Just relax like they're playing Ottawa right now. Yeah, if it's when you play Florida sure, it'll be a tough series I think anyone that plays Florida if it's Florida tap is not done If it's Florida Florida should be the favorite against anybody they play They they're they've won the cup. They've been to the cup final two years in a row. They're a juggernaut team, but For starters, it's dislead. Let it happen first. Yeah, and Ottawa Ottawa's not some joker of a team This isn't this isn't you know, the worst team in the league. They're a playoff team

They're a good team that's been battling and playing the least hard. And, you know, there's this idea that, well, it doesn't count if you beat the senators. I mean, that to me is... Yeah, that's not true. And that's a good call by you because you're having perspective and going, you beat, you try to beat the team in front of you. That's what it is. And that's what you're trying to do right now against the Ottawa senators. Anybody, I had somebody say the other day, like say, oh, they're going right to the cop, I'm saying, hold on a second here. Why don't you just worry about what's in front of you? One day at a time.

And then guaranteed, there's going to be two teams from Florida that are going to try and stop that process too. So just, you know, don't get ahead of yourself and then there's another team that'll be waiting in the third round. So I said just relax get excited about what you have in front of you and and what you should be you should be like that's they're playing really well playing very well. The big boys are playing well the new guys have really contributed significantly and listen year after year we talked about the core four

and you know are they gonna get it done should they continue to bring them back the the viewpoint of the team has always been that they clearly thought at some point they could put pieces around them that they would break through bounces would go their way and there they're all the dice again well let me ask you this where do you put it because this year that play last night behind the net by mitch barbara

credible that that's a i've seen some cool plays behind the net that's that's a cool one but if they get it done against ottawa and then they just get shut down let's say against florida the next round what does that mean they just got beat by a better team or well i think that it would be a little bit later you know that the idea i think you cross a bridge when you get to it but

you know because the flip side of that is let's say you have you beat florida then you're only halfway home it doesn't mean you if you don't get a piano here is a path to me working three games into the player here yeah but martyrs look good matthews is look good willies look good the power placement good stores has been good i mean if you're a Leaf fan right now I guess that's all I'm saying it's like why even why try to mess with a good time you finally have

one you've been miserable for a long time the Leafs are in a good place Battle of Ontario stop putting the car before the horse and take it one day at a time and game four tomorrow night and for me I'm curious where you guys stand on this and we'll last our next guest where he stands on those you know like the uh... the importance of of avoiding a sweep for autowall like getting a win is it worth anything is there a difference between a sweep and losing in five or six of the comes to that

uh... here's former nhl former autowall senator and cohost of the common in hot podcast areas jason york what's up your key hazy hazy i'll answer that question to you that have you ever had a broom pasta on the ice i have not a good feeling it's not a good feeling i don't know about noodles and old dog but i i've been swept

you don't want to get swept you at least want to get one trust me trust me out and i'm the other guys i know i'll say the same thing yeah we got swept uh... my first year in the playoffs like that is ninety four nineteen ninety four the new york rangers beat the new york islanders i was with the islanders the rangers swept us and it was it was we came in third

now let's just telling us that the plane or an yes better your islanders is our saying that all this ends a plate way better than my islanders put it that way we came in third in that series you can ask ray ferraro but that's why you gotta get one jimmy because when you tell somebody when you retired there like you talk about old days like how how's that series and you know it well we lost in four than they think about it they go oh so you got

swept yeah yeah yeah we actually do we got pumped yeah you don't want that you don't know I think that I I think I probably I probably knew that answer before I asked it but you know we've been kind of we've been talking about the positives from a maple east and one of the they're they're right in front of us but is there a glass half full but putting the three nothing aside like what what is your viewpoint of you know how auto was played in kenya kenya formulate any argument that would suggest a day they actually should feel

better about themselves than what the series total might suggest right now well two games and went to overtime so and and we all watch those things both those games could have one of either way the game one uh... they just took way too many powers in charles got a crazy good power play you got you got four world-class guys on the power play in the new yonder uh... mariner matthews and to dot You got four world-class guys on the power play and Neal under

Mariner Matthews and I don't think enough people are talking about John Taveras That guy's having a hell of a series like anybody that thought he was done is crazy. I think he's been really good, but Yeah, like is there some glass half full things sure Timmy Suss I think is playing really well. He's not getting the points but I'll say this. The goal of the Ottawa Senators this year, if I'm going to go half full, was to make the playoffs and I know Noodles did a lot of games and that's what everybody was trumpeting so they made it. If they were playing the Washington Capitals or the Florida Panthers in the first round, I think people would have a lot easier time than this especially the fan base Yeah, but because it's the Toronto Maple Leafs. It's a sore spot and that's why you don't want to get swept They got to win the next game to hopefully avoid that but it's looks was played. Well

And and if you look at their center-rights position And you really break it down, that's those first playoff, Pinto's first playoff, Ridley Gregg, I know he's not a center, sometimes he is, his first playoff, Dylan Cousins' first playoff. They got Adam Gadette, who's really a winger, playing center on your fourth line doing a pretty good job and then you compare that to Toronto with Matthews, Tavares, Domi and I love what they did getting Lawton. That's four guys with a ton of experience so when you're really dumb it down, Ottawa should they be down three nothing? Probably not but Toronto came in, they're just at a totally different spot of where

They should be like they're a team that's ready to win right now Auto is a team that's trending upwards. So it is what it is Yorkie take me through what you think the inexperience means come playoff time I mean is it young guys you just mentioned how much of them are their quality players their first playoff experiences Like hey, why is it kind of a struggle? Do they have to? mention how much of them are their quality players, their first playoff experiences. Why is it kind of a struggle? Do they have to just get a taste of it? Because they're good players and it's a do it now league.

But let's fast forward it to next year. What will they take away from this to say, oh, okay. Because in my view, it's like you just have to elevate and play better. You don't have to play more physical than you usually do You just have to get to a different level and play better than you ever have and I think it takes I don't know why it takes time, but it does for guys to figure that out Hey, oh, yeah, you just said it right there like I look at that first game a lot of guys seemed very Tentative like I thought Thomas Shabat and Noodles did a ton of games down the stretch.

I thought he was arguably the best player the last month of the season. First playoff for him, I'm like, he just looks tentative. And until you, like we've all played in the playoffs, until you experience it, it's just a different kind of pressure. So they'll take a lot out of this. And just, it's little things like in Ottawa, people are talking like crazy about the face-off. So just the importance of winning draws,

the importance of managing the puck. And you take Drake Batherson, for example, I thought he was lights out in game one. Game two, just makes a bad decision with the puck at the wrong time. And then a couple flybys, one by cousins, one by Batherson. So just little details. And it's, if you slip up for a minute in the playoffs, these are lessons

that Toronto has learned, right? Like how many times has Toronto, uh, turned the puck over at the blue line in the past, made a bad decision with the puck and it comes back to bite you. Eventually you have to learn, don't you? And it looks like it looks under Craig Berube. I'll say this, I was saying this from the press box. You compare this version of the Toronto Maple Leafs to the Sheldon Keith era, I think the first period of game one, the Leafs dumped the puck in more in the first 10 minutes and

hit guys more than I saw on the entire, entire tenure under Sheldon Keith. But that's how you win in the first ten minutes and get guys more than i saw on the entire entire tenure and you show up to you but that's how you win the playoffs you'd be put pressure on the teams d and you and you get deposits in the banking hit guys over and over and over again they believe someplace simple they've capitalized on their opportunities and they're just they're doing a little things but not always nuts a difference

and the whole thing but yeah i think that i don't have a good idea i agree i agree that all You're doing the little things better than Ottawa is and that's the difference. And the goaltender. Yeah, I agree. I agree. The goaltender has been a save better or more in the games. I don't disagree. Are you surprised that it hasn't been, I don't know what the right word is. I think there's been hits but it hasn't, we haven't seen a lot of scrums. We haven't seen, and I don't know if that's the least discipline or if it's Ottawa's

tentative, hey we don't want to take a scrum because we don't want to put them on the power play. But you know, watch them, you know, I've been watching games right throughout the league every night and you're like, okay, there's this different type of physicality and I don't know if this series has had it yet or not yet, but it's three cobs. But it hasn't raised to that level of like every shift, it's like a big hit, big play, big, it just hasn't had that, it's more just like

been workman-like, if that makes sense. I'm saying the same thing, Noodles. I'm not surprised, but I think too, man, especially that game one, Ruby had a talk with Toronto, and said, hey, this is a young team. They're gonna come in They're trying to try and be physical They're gonna be all jacked up for game one and how many times did Toronto get on the on the power play for? You know borderline plays but still Toronto or Ottawa's trying to play physical and a couple hits from behind and Toronto was lights out in

That playoff. So I think it's worked to Toronto's advantage. Like just play between the whistles. And really, like what's it been? 20 years since the last battle of Ontario? None of these guys were part of it. Some of these guys weren't even born. So I think it takes a while to develop hate. Like those old school Toronto-Ottawa playoffs, it took a while. It took a while. And these guys, they hear about it, but until you experience it, they're really... It takes a while to start simmering. It really does.

With Jason York, I think that's exactly what it is. I think the fans have been referencing the Battle of Ontario with the players on both sides They don't know they why would I would outside of max don't yeah, you know It's how else and even max was was five years old like he can't really remember You know, but he doesn't really know McDonald's in the dressing room that i can you probably what i have to do with that you know uh... uh... we're going to settle it from uh... alfred said that yet but this

this took a while and only one of the boards with for carter son uh... travis green gotten involved it's just and also to i think the way tron also the power play they don't want to get involved after the whistle they want to make sure that they're initiating and not retaliating and that's smart and it served them Well getting up in the series so and also to like the days of fab I remember all the way I had that series against Montreal when you had the five on five brawl

You just don't see it. I think the most fireworks we've seen is has really Greg Yeah, and over at Solars before the game. Like, really? You're going to get fives for that? Like come on. I don't know, O'Dog. That's two old teammates just having some laughs.

We had a discussion about it, Yorkie, and it's like we can't even believe what we were talking about. I don't even know how that came to somebody's attention. Like, did Stolar ours go to chief and say Sky ripped the puck at me and then it got report How else would that even like how would that be taken to another level other than that camera catching it? With I don't think some guy some nerd was up there in the in the top row going I got to report a shot take it Okay, I don't know how the golf line the golf line

His club hit the senate to shut down the uh... it's a couple of couples there is a straight back i uh... i don't know but did you guys see the uh... i i was scrolling through today and then all of a sudden i see the uh... mark andrea flurry going back to a playoff against uh... against washington and Ovi came across the line and Fleury goes over and chops him, like two hands him.

And nothing happened. Nothing came of it. That was way worse than what we saw with Nick Cousins and Stollers last night. But yeah, we'll see. You're right about the discipline. I have a mental image from game one when it was carried away. It was 6-2, end of the game, and David Perron was chasing Jake McCabe around. And those are veterans that have played each other probably at, you know, 20

times, 30 times and promise trying to engage them. And it would have been easy to scrum punch hit fight even there. It wouldn't have mattered. And McCabe just wouldn't do it. Like he just wouldn't even think about it. You could tell Berube had told them nothing, get out of here. We got the win. And it's been consistent and it's worked well for the Leafs. So, but we'll see what comes of it tomorrow night. What do we expect in New York? Do you think Ottawa gets one tomorrow night?

You got to think so. Like the law, average is don't they have to come in to play? Ottawa's played some pretty good hockey You think they deserve a little bit better of fate so if I was gonna bet this game I would take the sense, but I don't know the way soul arts was playing right now Like he is what is 11 11 11 wins in a row. Yes. Yeah Yeah, he's on some kind of run right now. He's playing great. The only thing, I mean, my instinct is that it's going to be a close game and maybe Ottawa gets one or it's going to be curtains and it's a big, big score.

Six not the least. Crazy. Yeah, like something not, you know, if something happens early and they're down two or three, like I just, that's what concerns me. Like I think it'll be a tight hard-fought game But if there's anything that sways were hey This is a two goal lead for Toronto that could that two could be four That's a great early in a power play goal for the lights would like be back breaking

You're right like law of averages, but you know that being said it just Last night like Hayes you called it. it, it was Ottawa scored first, right? Like they hadn't done that in the series, right? And then, you know, that's it. So that is where I will, I'll take my indicator from how the first period goes and who scores first and how you see that momentum because it's, you know, right now we've all been, I don't know if you've ever been down or Hayze like i've against the rangers i was down three cop and going in that fourth game you're going

like we're gonna we're gonna see how this unfolds you play you play loose and driving right like i don't i think that the sense can play loose and driving like go go and play go play hockey you know and the leafs got to get our gun trying to finish it off so that's you know it can kind of go either way here. Well, we'll see what comes. The biggest thing for me, fellas, is that Otto was missing that crazy in this series. To me, that's a sign that you're too tense.

You're trying to be too perfect with your shot selection. And to Noodle's point, you're down 3-0. Now you're playing like, hey hey there's nothing to lose now maybe relax and start start get some offense because you're not gonna win too many games if you only score two goals so yeah I I think Ottawa gets it done this I was at the last game and it was fantastic the atmosphere and so I'm hoping for the people here in Ottawa they don't get swept because it would it would be nice for this fan base it's been a long time since they've been in the playoffs and hey, we need more battle league Ontario. We can't just have it go four. We can't just have four games.

Let's continue this party. I'm with you on that. He is Jason York, former N'Chilor Ottawa senator coming in hot podcast host. We always appreciate you finding time, Yorkie. Thank you for doing this. Cheers, fellas. There is Jason York from Ottawa. And yeah, he was on that team back in 01 when the Leafs swept the Ottawa Senators Alright, we got game four tomorrow night on the station We got the Habs in action the Oilers in action tonight the Jays are at Yankee Stadium More on that MJ still to come overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSN app. Alright Mike Johnson coming up

for the next hour Ryan Rashog as well ahead of game three tonight Calvin Pickard will get the start for the Oilers get into that with Ryan and you got the Habs in action tonight I guess Patrick Linney is a game-time decision I don't know exactly what's going on with him but uh... you may have a lot of those little rascals out in minnesota man they are good they are moving man they're they're like lapping the field out there against well that's the thing it's like big and everyone we always said and it's true big strong vegas golden heights they're

going to be a serious problem how do you counter that really fast cycles and speed and agility and it's it's it's only a strong Vegas Golden Knights, they're going to be a serious problem. How do you counter that? Really fast cycles and speed and agility and it's only a couple of games for many, but I like what they're doing. Vegas has had uncharacteristic turnovers. You just talked about the speed and the goalie is not used to facing those great A chances. That's the difference that vegas is really buttoned up defensively and and now you've got some high-end skill like that

caprice office come back and not waited his way in like he's a rock star player man like rock star playman that boldier good players like you know minis listen it's not you're right it's only two games but they look pretty darn good in those two games they really do. And credit to St. Louis as well last night. Like, they went home and they... Man, they were animals in the first period.

I don't know if you saw that first period. Yeah. Physicality and everything. That was one of the most physical periods I've seen. That's the game that I talked about for Ottawa. It's like, you got to hit back and knock them down. It can't be just like, you got to give it to them to get them thinking. It's like watch out Winnipeg. And Ottawa couldn't get that done. Like if they had a score in overtime and won the game, you get Toronto

thinking but they kind of hit them with that Kachuk goal but they kind of stood Pat and they stood up. They didn't go down. Yeah. Well, we got some interesting series. That is for sure. And we'll continue to look ahead to what will be a busy weekend in the Stanley Cup playoffs. The NFL draft continuing tonight. Jay's at Yankee Stadium. Some weird stuff going on. Some weird stuff going on, man. Like the coverage last night, Mel Kuiper, it was wild. Hour two. We'll get into Kuiper. I got some Kuiper takes.

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