OverDrive - OverDrive - April 25, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joins to discuss the Maple Leafs' overtime winner against the Senators, Toronto's style of play and Brandon Hagel's hit on Aleksander Barkov. TSN Edmonton Bureau Reporter Ryan Rishaug joins to discuss the Oilers not at par against the Kings in the first round, the lack of identity, defensive lapses on the blue line and the best NFL Draft selections.

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this Saturday at 3 p.m. on News Talk 1010. Our two-over drive continues powered by FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Brian Hayes, the ODOT, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennan will head to Edmonton ahead of game three tonight. Later this hour, Ryan Rashog will join us. Mike Johnson coming up here in a moment.

We chatted with our friend Jonas Sego yesterday and someone called me Jonas on Twitter last night because well I tweeted out something factual which I generally don't do. I mean Jonas finds notes and he tweets things up. Was it spreading the wealth tweet? Yes, which I found interesting because I have been very intrigued by

the amount of minutes being played you know and how Barubeis utilizing his bench and Only two Maples played over 20 minutes last night. Jake that's Jake McCabe and Morgan Riley and no one played less than 10 That's where I think experience comes into play where a guy could say if you're gonna go the distance and I've won a Stanley Cup so I know you can't have your best players playing 24 25 26 minutes in a series because guess what's gonna happen they're gonna have nothing in the tank as early as round two so that's not the way it's gonna fly I don't know yeah I

agree especially in games like this like I think it would be different if Otto was up three two in the third you have to play Matthews more You got to play Marner more, but they haven't been in that position through three seems like in the past and like And this isn't a shot at key, but those guys would basically change their own lines like they were on the ice so much Dude, it was like it was crazy. Don't look coach because I'm changing. They changed their own lines. I want to go out there. And the 12 forward would play five minutes. Yeah, I mean they were built differently too. The trust in the 12 forward was probably not as high as or gaining trust.

You know, Patcheretti. I liked that line last night. It was fine, yeah. I thought they had some good pop physically early on. But that's where it'd be interesting to see if he keeps this same lineup or there's a little bit more of a tweak. And then I always say this knock on wood, there hasn't been, they're healthy, knock on wood.

You haven't had somebody leave a game. So you keep that going. The longer you go, the more you play play there is going to be some bumps and bruises and stuff like that but you know with everybody intact this is what you're able to do you're able to spread it well and when you're up in the game you can attack it a little bit differently when you trust your third and fourth lines to give you minutes not just to kill minutes for your other lines to go out but to give you the minutes that are important so i think that's that's why you

you know you were jonas haze last night i was hey this is what i'm pointing out but which is it's a fair point going look at look at how balanced that is because it's an important part of the storyline that you know again there they he's got faith in different lines you know with jason york on it brings up a very good point you look at the middle of the ice, Matthews, Tavares, Domi, Lotton, those are four guys who are, you know, 27 and up, all have played in the league for a long time, all have played a lot of playoff games, and that's the middle of your ice. And that's where, and then you look at defense, Simone Benoit is the, you know, the guy who

you would consider the, would be the most raw of the group. He's not 19 or 20 years old. He's in his mid-20s, late 20s, and he's played the last couple of years. I think, again, it's three games and it's gone the least way. They've earned the bounces, but they've gotten the bounces the last two games game one was something they earned because they ran away with it they played very well but I really do think you know there's separate conversations when you talk about the team building where you know the the core four or the core five you want to add Riley in there he had another point last night Morgan Riley's been here a long time he's

playing very very well but Barube I've been saying this since game one Barube stole ours Tanev Carlo Ekman Larsen that's five pieces that I think have had such a massive massive Impact on the way this team plays and the way they're composed and it probably starts with a coach and his approach and him Demanding they play a certain way and him chipping away saying, I'm telling you, once we get there, this is how it's gotta work.

I know, I remember at the beginning of the season, all the analytics nerdos were saying, these guys dump the puck in too much. Maybe we know somebody that wants to get into that. Well, I believe you're referencing our good friend Mike Johnson, who I believe Johnny said as early as two weeks weeks ago this is not as good of a team as the one we saw last year or in years past for that i'll bring him on and take

a shot at him i'm gonna ask if he wants to revise that if he still holds that opinion that's this is a business like sixty minutes man we got a really couple larry kings journalism is very important on this program but i don't know if he's here's mike johnson our tsn hockey analyst go ahead johnny floors yours take it back thanks for the nice warm welcome fellow i really appreciate it

godlike i tried to save your johnny these two were like this on their high horse just now i think there's one thing johnny these guys are assuming i referred to you as an analytics nerd i said there was some analytics nerds to come away about the lack of playmaking and that leaves were dumping the pocket too much and that's not their identity and they're not playing to their identity and these two guys said well that would be mike johnson i do to say that that, actually, I believe. Noodles did, yes.

What are you talking about? That's painting a picture that's inappropriate. I wouldn't see it that way. You know what? We could go back to the tape of as recent as 90 seconds ago. That is not true at all. Oh, you said you took a shot at Johnny saying these analytic nerds, and you go, let's get to Johnny.

And that's when Hayes goes, yes, let's call out Johnnyny for his as recent as how many two weeks ago you said well that might wrong i mean i'm just pointing out okay so i don't know let me let me just address what you just that yes i said that they were playing differently they were not ad dominant five on five in their current style play as they were in years past. They are playing a team that was the second lowest scoring team in the league five on five and I think you would say yes

they're winning they're up three nothing they've won two overtime games I'm not here to diminish that at all but to suggest that somehow this has been an overwhelmingly dominant five on five performance by the Toronto Maple Leaf against the Ottawa Senators, I would call that fake news oh or haze because that's not true. That is held true. So I'll stand by my comments. They're absolutely true. Now, are goalies allowed to be part of your team? Yep. Are power plays allowed to be part of your team? Yep. I never commented on any of that. In fact, I said they probably got better goals than they've had in years all year long So I stand for wreck not corrected. I just said correct still that's how I look at it. Okay

I'm not sure about any of that Johnny, but Hayes just meant and mentioned some key additions Yeah, ruby stole ours tan F Ekman Larson, who would you think of the group? He just mentioned would be at the top of the most important. You think it's a coach Yeah, I mean I think so I think given it all serious is how different they are approaching the way they play now versus in years past That starts with a coach It's got to get the guys to buy in to play a system that you know maybe not quite as comfortable for them not quite as

the guys to buy in to play a system that, you know, maybe not quite as comfortable for them, not quite as natural for them. And I mean, even that clip of him telling Mark Savard to settle down, which I think is amazing, like just the whole idea, he's calm. He expects a certain thing with that they play. And when they do it, he trusts that they'll be successful. So I started with Craig Rubick,

because there was a lot of changes that he sort of needed to implement. And he had to get the guys to buy the fact that if they play this lower event style, lower risk, lower reward, trust that we will be able to defend our way in tight games with good goal-tenning and timely scoring to win, they had to buy him what he's preaching and he's done a good job of getting them to buy in and the guys have done a good job buying what he's selling, because they're executing it and they're winning games right now. And then after that I would say TANF.

I mean, you go out and get the preeminent shutdown defender. If you want to try to reinvent yourself, your team a little bit as a team that's comfortable defending, go get the best guy. They did. He has been that. And they're all part of how this team is different this year than years past. Yeah, the McCabe-Tana pairing is a very comforting pairing to have on the ice. They play with poise, they've got some physicality, a little bit of bite, they haven't had to use it that much.

But they are under control when they're on the ice. Very noticeable. And the fact of the matter is, so far in the series, they haven't had to ride those guys too hard, which if you don't want to get greedy, don't want to get ahead of ourselves, we can, the players shouldn't. But like the fact is they can get through this series in the fewest games possible without taxing McCabe coming off injury. Can if he has hard miles on him. Those guys are playing, you know, 20, 22 minutes at times with a third pair playing 16, 17, 18. That all bodes well to how they should feel if they want to take this thing for six more weeks.

Johnny, before we get back into the hard hitting and you having to defend yourself, were you really upset about the Cousins transaction him in warm-up i mean you know that i would i didn't even know about it until obviously drags a tweeted it out in that i mean what do you make all that nonsense and you know gamesmanship or should we just be we talking too much about it already uh... so i mean like she mostly unlike whatever care if the players don't care now if it's kind and stole ours who played together

and they're buddies and every guy does that when they play in games, then it doesn't matter. We're gonna find Hofer and Scheifli for staying on the ice too late to see who the last guy to step off is. Like, what does it matter? Now, if it's done to be a jerk, and like, you know, you're firing pucks

and the guy skates as they're crossing over, trying to bug, whatever, then like, yeah. Because I think you find them to say don't do that because we don't want that ever to escalate to who did Darcy Tucker go out the at the red line with one time was it was it Sean Avery that sort of interaction stop shooting the puck what do you got to do about it all of a sudden there's an altercation at the red line and warm-up you don't want it to get to that so if it was done with any sort of irritable intent,

then I then find them sure and tell them don't do it anymore. If it was done for just being way where buds I'm saying hello, then that is probably an overreaction. Uh, Johnny, in terms of like, which assist impressed you more game one Matthews to Marner or last night Marner to Matthews to Marner or last night Marner to Matthews She's Probably last night like the game one was nice because it was defense offense But last night a lot of stuff happening there puck coming around the wall. It's spinning

You got to handle it. You got to see it. You got to lay it out there clean You got to put it through the feet of whatever defender was coming at you. The goalkeeper, Omar, he's still on the right post looking for that thing. He still hasn't gone to the correct side of the net. That was beautiful. And that, you know, O and I have been in the studio a few nights. Like, in those big moments, yes, they've had Domi and Benoit randomly scoring game-winning goals, but you're looking for big plays in big moments and in tight games in third periods.

I haven't tried a lot of that in years past. Just haven't had the difference making plays. That was supremely skilled difference making play in a tie game in a third period. You're two best guys linking up and doing something special. That was, that was pretty, that was a very, very nice pass. Yeah, I would agree. That was so sick, man. Like that was a very very nice pass yeah I would agree that was so sick man like that was a beautiful play totally intentional like no sort of luck oh I caught it no no he knew exactly what he was doing what he was trying to do and he pulled it off perfectly well like Marner's had

an interesting series because like I don't picture him like with the puck a ton you know he's not leading rushes or anything like that. Because they're dumping it in too much. Well, that's a big part of it. Exactly. I can revisit that. You're right. But I think I was going to say I think he's on the right side of the puck constantly. He's made beautiful plays in terms of, you know, finishing in game one, setting up Matthews last night, he's contributing on the power play.

So it's just it's just a different kind of Look of what you would expect out of Marner because you know four or five years ago It was like the expectations were well you better be a wizard out there You know you better do it We've seen Patrick Kane do in the past and that's not necessarily how it looks But the point production is very high and very impressive And he's playing with these habits and doing things along the boards that I think have contributed greatly To his team being up three nothing and ultimately that's that's what Mitch and Austin and Willie

They need that more than anything you have 25 points in the round who cares if you're losing seven. It's irrelevant You need to win and I think you know there gets back to what we're talking about with Barube. They seem to be accepting those roles and I think contributing greatly. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of parts to it, right? One is exactly that, playing that way, buying in, not chasing points, just playing the way you're supposed to. Perhaps the Four Nations for Mitch had something to do with the comfort and tight games playing this way because in the four nations that's how he played right he didn't have the puck the whole game just playing it smart playing it

smart waiting for the time when your skill could come to the forefront and then what it does make it happen he did it in overtime of the four nations he did it last night in that nice pass and the fact is when the power play, it makes it way more comfortable for the guys to play whatever you're asking them to do at 5 on 5 because they don't, they have a ton of points and they don't feel bad about the points and they're just trying to be responsible and trying to win. It's not that they're selfish and you know if they weren't getting points but there's something about trying to create offense for the betterment of the team that when you do it whatever

power players were five on five if you get it then you're not sort of pulling yourself in funny areas to try to chase it so a lot of stuff coming together and and working and again like it's three nothing they're very likely going to win the series two overtime goals this could, this series could easily be two one for Toronto. Could be two one for Ottawa. It's not been a route, but it doesn't matter. This is the playoffs and I'll acknowledge this. I'm the ultimate process over results guy over the regular season in the playoffs. That all matter. All that matters is results. That's it.

It is all about results who cares about the process. And right now they're getting the results and they're believing and they got themselves in a really good spot to be done early and then catch their rest to get ready for the next round. Well, and that next round as of now looks like it'll be Florida, 2-0 quick, man. They go into Tampa and they take both games. There was video at the end of the game where Marchand and Bennett and Kachuk are all together chirping the bench of Tampa.

You're watching that thinking, how is this real? Like how are these- That's like a three headed puppet like just- The worst of the worst. If you're a Panther fan, the greatest thing you've ever seen, but if you're a fan of any other team, you're like, really those three guys are now are we teammates have we heard about Hagel I were where are you guys on the Hagel where do you stand on that where

he said three games noodles said one I said one okay I was a little hundred percent hundred percent suspension you know exactly what I'm doing he knew exactly he was doing to he didn't care whether he touched the puck or not He was gonna hit him that hard no matter what yeah, I've never touched the puck players have to be protected So how do you get to only one Johnny with that kind of assessment? Because I've seen these things on his Hartman got dealers on one early in the year About two games in the regular season two games in the regular season sort of equates out to be one in the playoffs That's the standard they use so I think history tells us this is two

That then gets reduced to one because the playoffs, but I think it's one but again if Barkov can't play, you know Shantapa would almost take that trade. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes. Well, that's true. And you know, Florida's gonna lay it on thick We don't know if he can play he's probably Well, they've already yeah yeah, I mean, it's already, thought I was reading that it says that, you know, Barkov's doubtful tomorrow, that type of stuff. I mean, they got to protect the player ultimately. They're up to nothing. But, you know, you hope that he's all right. There was nobody debating, you know, whether this was a suspendable play or not. It's a hundred percent suspendable.

A Kappa fan. Oh, yeah. They're was saying should only get your parents maybe just on the other overreacted on like no no no no not to suspension everyday how much trouble could you get in guys if you posted fake videos like ambulances stretchers at the time of the actresses i'll be all yet and i have a very smart car numbers and all yeah and drop a really struggling after that hit.

Yeah, nah, I mean you could, depends, listen, the gamesmanship, like that's the thing, you see with that team, those three guys sitting there chirping, like Matthew Kachuck is having the time of his life, like this guy, he is front and center in everything, like it's just... Think of where he's at, Noodle's, other guys we've talked about everything like it's just like where he's at noodles other guys. We've talked about Oh, it's the playoffs are kind of you know in awe and they're under the gun And they don't know how to figure it out that guy hasn't played Since February and he just puts his jersey on obviously he had to do a lot of prep work and wheels out there and starts ripping

Home goals and running the power play and yelling at guys like it's just second like it's amazing how comfortable that guy is playing in the playoffs yeah that's it right like some guys like oh it's gonna be hard oh it's gonna be different for him somehow it caters to his game and his personality better regular season which is uh... all the testament to him uh... or loser halves better chance of getting back into the series uh... i mean i think and then because the two guys i think i'm going to be more trouble to start cal pickered there are quite a bit of a flexible gold tenderly

he's not a good record but he's he's he's a awkward looking guy out there The defenseman at home has been a mess LA is rolling. So all the reasons not to pick Edmonton, but They got Mckay's it and they got dry saddle and those guys are good enough that they can Do it sort of on their own with just a little bit of help and go out and get back in the series I don't think they're going to and Montreal has been really close But I just also think that Montreal's probably going to come up with just a bit short regardless but I mean Edmonton is troubling Hayes if you're out there in Edmonton because think about they have two games in they've swapped their goaltenders they've swapped their

defense and they're missing their glue guy he's not coming back and they're not sure who's gonna play with who and what the lines might be and there are two games in it's everything is on the table and what the lines might be. And there are two games in. It's everything is on the table and they play just two games. That's how poorly the first two have gone. Yeah, I agree. Add one thing to that. Have you seen, you know, looking at the bracket, everything in the East is zeros and like potential

sweeps. Everything in the West is at least, least you know another team has won a game except for Edmonton now they got an opera it's 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 0 in the West everything out East is 3 0 2 0 2 0 2 0 like that I what we kind of expected didn't we because we thought the East was a little bit I don't know maybe not to this extent but oh you don't have faith in your boys in jersey tonight no I don't I don't okay so here's a question Hayes just quickly and it's kind of spinning away but Washington Montreal Carolina New Jersey we wake up tomorrow is it both three nothing or is it is one is one team getting a jersey or Montreal tonight I think that I could see the haps

when I said that the other night too but they've they've been in game Montembeau's playing very well and I think that building them feeding off that building I guess you could argue the same thing with Jersey Jersey's gonna win game I don't think Jersey's gonna get swept so but I think I came into it fully expecting Washington and Carolina would win those series and I thought Toronto would win. Florida and Tampa I thought was coin flip and I don't think that's over yet but it's clearly in a bad, you're in a dark place if you're Tampa right now. So the chalk is winning where at West that's not the case because now many is up 2-1 and

LA is up 2-0 and there's St. Louis is one and LA is up to nothing and you know there's Dallas, St. Louis is pushing and Dallas is there. They look about 13 in a row at home guys. 13 in a row at home for St. Louis. Very quietly. Like that series is, could get tight, tight if St. Louis wins the next game. That could be very interesting and a brutal and we talked about it before like the fact that Winnipeg has to play a team as good and as hot as st. Louis in the first round after being the best team in the league that sucks for them, but St. Louis is is putting up the test. We thought they would well noodles We haven't mentioned Hellevuc yet, but where do we stand on him?

I mean games I thought they were just out they were out class last night in watching that game like it Oh, you talked about that start like that st. Louis looked like they had seven players on the ice Like honest the guy everywhere Winnipegs D turned they were getting run over from both sides like it was an energetic start by say just have to turn it around I mean like they didn't game two and say the party's over guys. Yeah's it exactly I think you know it's a bad night but I don't I mean Hellebuck little shaky game one but they won game two I thought he was Roxanne last night I think it's a burn the tape for them and and regroup I'm more worried about Vegas is goaltending than I am yeah then I am Hellebuck because

Vegas Vegas plays a certain way because Aiden Hill plays a certain way. Jamie, isn't it crazy looking at Vegas' goaltending and then look at what that guy did in Washington the other night, Logan Thompson? It was like, you watch that guy play a good game, you're like, how could anybody not have them as a... And I know he's like the late bloomer and he's not the traditional stud goaltender but damn he was good well to against Montreal there's a few I'm now go back a while and he wasn't the goaltender he is now but Anthony Stoller has played in Anaheim he played in Edmonton he played it right he's

played in L.A. if Billy he's you know it takes a while and the right situation, but it's just some of those fan bases are going, boy, it'd be nice to have that guy here, you know, like it happens. But you know, I think, I still think Vegas recovers, you know, they're a veteran team. They might have taken many a little light. They can't do that now because this mini team can play. But there's some interesting storylines. This Winnipeg St. Louis one this might be closer than people think like that's a St. Louis team like to your point Johnny they can play and this Dallas Colorado

I can't get a read on it I thought Colorado was going to you know take them and they've been beat twice in overtime. Overtime games make it all close. Tell them a quick thought though, the mini thing. Not only the goalies, Gustafsson versus whatever Hill has done, but also when you got Capri's off, best player for Minnesota's got seven points lighting it up every game, Ikels nothing, minus five in three games. Like you take your best player and outplay them, you take the goal center outplay them, you're probably gonna be ahead in the series. Minnesota's in a good spot there. And just to bring it back to Stolars, not only is he making the saves, which we at least like, but his demeanor,

he looks like he's having a blast in there, like the smiling and the bumping, the brag and all that. He looks for a guy who's never really played as the guy in the playoffs. He looks so unfazed by whatever is going on or whatever pressure there may allegedly be, because he looks like he's feeling none of it and as a player I would feed off of that like look at our goalie. He looks so at ease with everything going on around him why would we get stressed out when he's not stressed out. I just think not only the saves but his sort of the energy he's

given off the demeanor is one that oozes just it's gonna be okay. Don't worry about it I'm not worried about it. So you guys don't worry about it I got it, which is a good place to be massive advantage man If you're winning the goalie confidence meter like that one is really significant Like the deserve to win a meter not necessarily goalie confidence meter that one Quickly we always throw one little mini jerry at you the azure many jerry for this friday the lease advance

the florida panthers advance or any team from florida it's the toronto maple leaves that advanced to the quarterfinals many jerry the Toronto Maple Leafs that advance to the quarterfinals mini-Jerry? You set it up so well, I think you meant semi-finals, but I would say if the Leafs... I don't think any of that is true, but go ahead. I'm just saying, you set it up so nicely, we're going to have to do a redo on the voiceover. I would say the Leafs Florida toss-up least play Tampa

50 Six percent likelihood they win Well, I do it based on opponent But I'm gonna give him toss-up against Florida, which I think at this point is almost You'll take that to Toronto. Yes, you'll take those odds with home ice that you know, you're it's basically a pick-up Yeah, I think that's a positive little mini jerry for leaflets coming out of fired up for your exit them kind of feeling good right now here we are on the way out that's how we are here

right hard for july and and i don't know how that's right now that's how we roll and it's always the way it works here thank you johnny to catch another email do it again i would like my wounds all weekend and I'll talk to you guys next week. Can't wait. There he is, Mike Johnson, our TSN hockey analyst, joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. Allowed him to recover after you two just...

Well... ...befooned, just attacked him to start to defend yours, what you said to Mike. We haven't even brought him in yet. It's a serious program we run here. And we are dead serious people. Yeah, they expect very serious stuff from us. So that's what we try to bring. Love it.

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and I paid a serious price. I want to know one thing, guys, and Do doogie if you're in studio or JP Who took all the food home because somebody did like it just didn't stay there somebody Threw that stuff in a duffel bag and took it home. There was a couple people taking some stuff home I know JP took some pizza home. I know Brian took the the wings home. I had the wings, but they were so hot I couldn't eat had the wings but they were so hot I couldn't eat them. I didn't realize they were the spicy wings. Oh, didn't mention that one, did you? As soon as the fan went to bed, you got up and went to your car and turned on the microwave and just went to town. They were so hot I couldn't even eat them. Oh, you tried the crazy ones. I thought they were mild and that the dip that Doogie, that's the hot sauce, but it was actually coated in that and I just didn't have the stomach for it

So do you how was that sauce? Do you need to borrow the triple stack underpants or how are you feeling? I may need to put those on after that. They were really good, but just extremely hot. My mouth is still burning I see. Yeah, you have a little like a champ though Doogie Pritchard Thanks boys, but good to hear JP with a couple wheels on the way out as the couple slices as he showed everyone to take care of business uh... right we've got to rhyme rishaw coming up we got keegan matheson from yankee stadium check in on the j's before big series against the yankees maybe you should go hit for those guys he could use keegan and i thought that

you might be better clean up for them tonight. Dear Hazy, being an hour, overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. All right, let's give you a good one tonight. We got round two of the NFL Draft. Everyone's buzzing about Shadoura Sanders. Dude, apparently this cat might have had the worst interviews of all time.

I'm just going by like NFL scoops on Twitter and How else does a guy fall like that? Well, here's the thing right like he's he's Dion's kid Which means because you can't have it both ways where on one one end the reason everyone knows him is because of Dion Originally like that's why it's such a high profile. And I haven't seen him play a ton. I've seen him play a little bit. Looks like a good player.

I don't know enough, though, obviously, to determine should he go first, should he go on the second round, third round, who knows. But the reason he gets the profile and the attention and I think the scouting and everything that comes with that is because he is Deion Sanders' kid. But then you then you can't flip it and say well the reason he's not getting picked is because he's deon sanders kit Like you can't have it both ways You get the profile you get a lot of money that comes with that with NIL and all that kind of stuff that I'm sure What's happening at Colorado? And he's gonna get drafted and ultimately eventually he's gonna get into camp and he's got to perform

And it doesn't matter where you get drafted in the end It sucks for him like you know it sucks And he's put there is a Ronnie James element to this where it's like there have been people that have went on the TV and said You know there are some teams concerned about this or that or the other thing or attitude or interview and they followed it up But at the end of their comments, they'd be, I just don't think this guy's that good. Well that's at the forefront of it all. Yes. Numerous times throughout the night, whether it be on Twitter or on the television, I heard

a guy say, I actually just don't think he's that good and that's why this is happening. Right. So it's like maybe he's just not that good. There's not a conspiracy against Shadour Sanders. That's not how the NFL operates. No sport league operates that way. conspiracy against Shadour Sanders. That's not how the NFL operates. No Sport League operates that way. If he was a lock superstar, he would have been picked first overall, second, third, fourth, fifth. That's just the way it goes. And eventually he will get picked.

I'm sure it will be tonight and he'll have an opportunity to play. And maybe in 15 years, you look back and say, man, a lot of teams missed. Use it as a chip on your shoulder. I hope he does that. But Hayes, I read something today that the quarterback being drafted in the second round is very rare. Well, it's different in terms of A, the opportunity you're going to get, B, how much money you're going to get.

See the rope that you're going to have in order to actually save the jobs of the GM that took you, the coach that took you. If a GM takes someone in the top 10, they have to force that guy into playing. That guy's got to work. You become a second or third round pick, you're a project, especially at that position. It's different. Does everyone go back to his house tonight? Yeah, that's the weird thing. I guess so, man.

Like if you're Dion in company, you gotta support the guy. He's gonna get drafted. It's a big moment. It just, it's too bad because of who he is. Because of his dad, it became a massive story. It was the story of the night. And it was kind of unfair to the kid. Exactly. If there was any other kid, it'd be

like, oh, I hope I get drafted and maybe this can work out. Instead, there was this, this guy was, I don't know. That was unfortunately, we talked about it yesterday with Laramie Tunsell. This was the shock of the night, technically, correct? Well, it depends on who you talk to. Again, Mel Kuyper Jr. was talking about him all night, that he's the best guy, best guy, how could he not be going. But then as Zoe pointed out, others are like, yeah, he's a best guy best guy how could he not be going but then as so pointed out others are like yes a good player

like he's a really good player but he's not you look at the great great college quarterbacks now he's not at that level he wasn't a great level uh... alright we've got game three tonight in edmonton calvin pickard making a start i think it's the right play I think the three of us expected this to happen I said I thought he should have played game two

Here's Ryan Rashad or TSM Edmonton Euler reporter. What is the mood like going into tonight's game Ryan? The mood well, what do you want talking about fans? Yes the fans nervous what are you talking about and uh... yes i think that's a good nervous it's not a good thing that like i think i think that both the fan base and i would extend it to the team i think the fact that they basically have a must win game this early is jarring i think it is very

jarring for the fans and i think it's jarring for this team it is not the way that they were supposed to go and to be sitting there like we were interviewing McDavid today and it was almost like it is a must win. I mean they're just the third playoff game of their playoff year and they have to win this already and I think it's jarring for them and for fans. Shager, what about the D-Core? They're all over the map right now. And Ekholm is a big-time loss, but I don't think under any circumstances your D-Core

should be that much in shambles with the absence of one player. You look at Heiskenen and Robertson in Dallas, it's not like a complete yard sale out there where everybody's wondering how they're going to survive. How do you explain that and how do they recover from this Ekholm not be playing? Yeah, okay. So when Ekholm goes down, there's a lot to pick up, right? Everybody needs to pick up a little bit of slack. He's the best two way defender they have. Um, he's their best defenseman. Um, so, you know, it's a big deal. Evan Bouchard showed last year in the playoffs that he can be an amazing offensive defenseman.

But if you guys recall, he was also out defending leads in the last minute of games, excellent defensively during the playoffs last year, he showed everybody he can do it. Well, he hasn't done that this year. Certainly didn't do it in game one, wasn't a ton better in game two, though he didn't have the same number of flat out gaffes. So I guess what I would say is there are some guys that have more to give and what they need from them will help make up for Mathias Ekholm not being in there.

So Bouchard needs to dig in in his own end in a more meaningful way. Uh, Wallman, you know, he's newer. Uh, Wallman's playing hurt. Like, he's working his way through something. Wouldn't surprise me if it was a groin. He didn't play towards the end of the season. Missed a bunch of games. You know, Klingberg just came back in.

He, you know, obviously we all know what he's been through. So not only are they missing their best guy, the guys they do have are somewhat banged up and then you've got some underachieving and the amount they're giving up is staggering how much they're giving up against. What about, you know, Darnell Nurse is a guy that everyone talks about his contract. But if you look at it, some of the systematic play like you know, I heard your interview with McDavid and interviewing him this morning and to me, you know, the forward can help out but you also have to have some form of urgency. Do you not? Like I just I

feel like and I brought it up about other teams, you know, in other series. They got to be playing playoff hockey and I've still seen some regular season play and intensity out of players and if you watch this Edmonton LA, you got to give credit to the LA Kings. But also, like there are players on the Edmonton Oilers that are playing regular season hockey when it's the playoffs. And to me that desperation isn't there. And that's not just, you know, third and fourth line players. I'm talking about Ryan Nugent Hopkins and Hyman looks snake bit. And I look at Darnell Nurse, Evan Bouchard.

I don't know. Some of these brain dead plays that he makes, I don't know what's going on. But it's just to me there has to be some urgency in their game or else a really good LA team, not just an average team, a really good LA team is going to take this series from them. Well, the LA Kings hit the ice every night and they know exactly what they are. They know what the recipe is for success, they know what their strengths are, they know what their weaknesses are, they generally know what their D pair they know what their weaknesses are they generally know what their deep airing and forward units look like in a role the mountain

they dealt with some injuries in such here and there but really there was some consistency there anybody have any idea what the event in orders are any clue like about it's not a little bit of a little exactly how to do is there make David in their dry title in their power play that's supposed to be brilliant that's been by their standards average most of the year and and i mean they're all you know they're they're not doing very well here in the playoffs so like

it's but what are they they didn't have their players together in the lineup down the stretch they've added two players in canin frederick to basically have played all year so are they a physical team is after identity they skate fast and he had a hard, they haven't for most of the year. Like guys, there's no continuity there is zero continuity on this group because of the injuries and Because of the late editions and so like when you go out and start playing a game, it's like, okay Let's get to our game right away What is that?

What is the Euler game? Try not to get scored on until McDavid and Dry-Sidle can get out there. I don't see this line after line over the boards Euler-style hockey. It's a myth. It's not there. So is that because the front office fumbled this? Is it that the coach isn't pushing the right buttons? What I'm hearing and what I'm seeing is that McDavid and Dryside will have more pressure to do more than they ever have. Or at least since they first got to the playoffs. I think it should be that way, Hayes.

And that's the thing. If anything, shouldn't it be going the opposite way where they can rely on more guys deeper into their career? Yeah, well I mean let's look at the support guys that were brought in. I mean Arvidsson, it was not a good year for Victor Arvidsson. Jeff Skinner eventually came around, you know, for the opportunity he got, scored a decent number of goals. He's not even in the lineup. You know, for Nugent Hopkins down year offensively, Zach Hyman down year offensively, they lost so much speed and enthusiasm from their lineup. It was tough to overcome that.

Like if you want speed and enthusiasm, so Warren Fogle is speed and enthusiasm, Dylan Holloway, speed and enthusiasm. Oh, and by the way, scoring at a top six right now, just a brilliant season from him. Ryan McLeod, who you trade away. To lose all three of those players in one year and to replace them with guys who have largely under achieved and aren't as fast. A lot of mojo. This is not the same team they carried into the playoffs last year.

They're older and they're slower. Now they're more experienced in some ways and I'm not saying that they can't win a game against the LA Kings tonight but guys they just they've got lines that have not consistently played together because of injuries. They got multiple guys that didn't play all year that are now in their top seven, eight forwards. And it's just, so it's not like they've got all this continuity. And they will say, well, yeah, but you know, they've got experience. And so it shouldn't be that big a deal.

Well, so far they're getting schooled. And you gotta give the LA Kings a lot of credit here. But the Oilers did not hit the playoffs in any sort of groove. They have not found that groove. And the special, they have been getting absolutely stomped on special teams. And I didn't hear anybody coming into this series

picking the LA Kings because they thought the Kings special teams would be dominant. I don't know if anybody said that. Like it's mind-boggling the way this is gone. Reece, do you think that the fact that McDavid and Dry-Cytle are so good it could sway a GM into saying we're going to just get rid of these young guys and move on if somebody wants to offer them contracts because we have Dry Cytl and McDavid and we'll just go on the scrap heap and we'll grab a Pod Coleson and Arvidson and a Skinner and we've got McDavid and Dry Cytl so it'll all be fine and that might be where the

the problems lie. Yeah I wouldn't say oh that they thought to themselves you know we're okay to downgrade certain portions of our lineup because those guys are so strong. Each of them, they kind of happen in a bit of a vacuum, right? So Warren Fogle, you know, I watched for a number of years as Warren Fogle struggled to be a top nine forward on this team. I mean, he spent a lot of time on a fourth line. You know, eventually kind of worked his way to a third line position, never really worked

in the top six and, you know, he kind of worked his way to a third line position, never really worked in the top six and you know, he wanted three, four million bucks. So it's like, I don't mind the fact that they said Arvidsson in, Fogel out. That's basically what they did. Arvidsson's had a brutal year, right? The Ryan McLeod trade, they were really disappointed with his playoff performance,

didn't feel that he could elevate competitively. And they decided to make that, uh, that change and bring in a younger prospect in Savoy from Buffalo. I agreed with that change. But where it fell off, guys, is Dylan Holloway. I would have never gotten rid of Warren Fogle if you knew Dylan Holloway wasn't coming back. I would have never traded Ryan McLeod if you knew Dylan Holloway wasn't coming back. That was the one, one guys that was crushing to this organization They made the wrong decision and and it crushed him this year

So I don't think they did it on purpose Oh But when you combine those three things together and then look at what's kind of lacking through their lineup right now It it you know it adds up. Yeah, it sure does well the backs are up against the wall We'll see what comes of it tonight game three in in Edmonton. Enjoy it, Ryan. Thank you for doing this. Yeah, for sure guys. And I'm sure you've said this, Noodles, but I'm here to tell you guys, it does not matter who plays in net tonight. If the orders don't cut down on the high quality chances against and the bad mistakes, it's not going to matter. It is not going to matter. This was not about Stuart Skinner. It's about the rest of the team. Well, there you go They're going Pickard tonight. So we'll see what he's got in store. Thanks, Ryan. You bet Ryan Rashad They would even ask him about Pickard. We've been talking so much about but you're right, but I would add that

Pickard has at least been more consistent this season So I'm not letting Stuart Skinner off the hook because we talked about it yesterday. Quinton Byfield, beautiful goal. You need at some point a big save. That's what you need. And Skinner in the first two games didn't provide that. Pickard at least, you know, especially down the stretch, I mean, he won 22 games for them this year. It wasn't like he was their backup. He ended up playing a ton of games. I think there's a trust factor and something, it might be even a mental thing, guys,

is like somebody different in there, we're trying at least. Like we're not gonna roll out the same thing. So I think it's insane. Just through the transactions that he was describing, I think it's insane management. Really crazy stuff to have a team go to the Stanley Cup

finals and then move away from youth enthusiasm and scoring punch. Like who would ever think like that? That's crazy to me. A team that went to the finals and is going to need energy, speed, enthusiasm. And you had such a priority to bring that fourth line or third line back and it was like, The Holloway one I understand. He laid it out. The other two you could... But the Holloway one was like Ryan McLeod... He had to keep him.

They didn't... McLeod didn't block shots. He wasn't physical. They could move from him. I don't think they had a problem with Fogel. It's the Holloway one. I think that was arrogance. Them thinking that he would sign.

And he didn't. He took an offer sheet. And then they could have matched it and they still didn't do that. They didn't. That's arrogance. Which is crazy. Yeah, you're right. I think that's exactly what it was. Alright, Overdrive continues with Keegan Matheson coming up to your Hazy B as well. Overdrive continues TS9-1050 and on TSN 4. Mail It In Friday was brought to you by Boston Pizza Canada's favorite sports bar this playoff season Boston Pizza is planning the parade it has a new all-star playoffs menu for you to enjoy for pizza pints and puck drops visit your local

Boston Pizza today. All right Keegan Matheson from Yankee Stadium doesn't sound like the old bar show is going to return to the team this weekend. He's still in AAA today and I don't think the weather's looking great this weekend down in New York, so they probably wait until Tuesday. They're back home at the Ryder Center against the Red Sox. Imagine wanting that guy back on your roster like desperately. Yes, they do. And again, he may step into the lineup,

start hitting second, third, fourth, and he's not exactly Mickey Mantle. But on our show, they need help. And defensively, they can always use a little bit of help. There's just so much pressure on the starting pitchers every night recently. They've lost five in a row. They're not generating offense.

Remember last year as the pitchers started bitching and complaining about the offense They were like what the hell do you want us to do out there like we give up to we're done That's where they are right now. Yes, like it's literally not It's like burrios is going in there tonight against Aaron judge and the Yankees and he cannot give up runs No, he can't yeah, and they're running out of time for the old it's common exit V lo and all this garbage. Yeah, 25 games in let's go I know let's go have a good see you've been saying let's go for two weeks All right Keegan coming up and we'll look ahead to game four tomorrow night leave sends as well overdrive continues

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