OverDrive - OverDrive - April 27, 2026 - Hour 1

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss Ryan Poehling's game-winner for the Ducks against the Oilers, the perspective of the puck crossing the line, the Lightning knotting the series with the Canadiens. the Senators' sweep and Brady Tkachuk's future in Ottawa. They dive into the Blue Jays' series win, Bo Bichette's tough start with the Mets, the Maple Leafs' GM search and Mats Sundin's role for the organization.

This hour of overdrive is powered by Fanduil. Fandu, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN4, up on YouTube, live. Brian Haseo, Doug Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennon. What's going on today? How we feel in this afternoon? Thought I had a break from you guys on Friday.

My daughter was a little under the weather, and I said, wherever you want to eat dinner, I'll take you. And she said, Dad, I want to go have some pasta at Tesoro up in Collingwood. Beautiful spot. Beautiful. I walk in, I look up, and there's a TV in the corner, and guess what Chef Tony watches every single day. I love it.

Chef Tony, that's authentic. Dude, this guy's a stud. He makes a calamari and a pasta. that like honestly go there and say i'll have old dogs calumari and i'll pay for it it's that good okay but anyway awesome the weird thing is there's no volume so no i know that it's so funny like does somebody actually want to see our heads bobbing like bobble heads for two hours yes they do they absolutely do that's the beauty of it right that's why joe from the bridge is the MVP of the show often because he's got the different things up on the screen what we say what we're

saying who's on you know which direction we're taking the conversation we're taking the conversation So they're just like, they're following along and they're like, I bet you that guy's carving that guy. Absolutely. I guess, man. It's a beautiful thing. You can't escape us because Saturday night, Hayes and I were together at a function. And as I was driving home in my car, I looked and there was a bar to the right. And I think they had like the best of overdrive or whatever.

That's getting a lot of pop. It is getting some play. I will say, I don't know who did it, but I think it was, it's awesome. I enjoyed watching it. I saw it the other day. It's got everything. It's got my Megan Fox hang up when I was trying to play. Oh, so this best stuff, it's not like from the last two weeks.

No, it's like the last 15 years. Yeah. So how long is the show? Please tell me there's like a couple hours. There's 90 minutes. Remember when we had a 10-year anniversary? And I think they've condensed it down to maybe three different options. I actually have no idea, to be honest with you.

I was thinking to myself, like, do I got to be good now? like every day, like they're going to put this out, like, every shoot? You might, isn't that the point of all this? I guess. We don't have great shows every day. That's like somebody said, you really want me to try every shift? Like, every time I'm on the ice, you want me to actually work hard. But I think those shows are great.

I mean, I sat with the kids the other day. It was on just a random afternoon in the weekend. I'm like, what is this? I saw my neighbor the other day. My neighbor Dave, he goes, yeah, I was, falling asleep and there's overdrive best of i'm like i think that's a compliment i think that i think he stayed up about an extra five minutes before he took a snooze before we put him to sleep right before we put him to sleep but yeah we're today's going to be a best of though right we got to bring the heat today i've got an updated bar play

we've got an updated bar play list that we'll get to later in the hour oh you can take a twirl two sweeps in the first round right yeah you guys called and i didn't i i was off on the i thought brian you word with their two. I was thinking I thought the kings were getting swept than they did. That one I was not surprised by at all.

L.A., you can make an argument truly one of the worst playoff teams of all time. Like the fact that they made the playoffs, you look at the amount of wins and regulation they had.

It was like them in like Chicago were each of them. They had like 20. Yeah, they were a terrible hockey team. They fired their coach

a month ago. They got in and it helped the Leafs because the lot and trade got better. But L.A. is terrible. Didn't I say to you, I said to both of you, like, why did they need Pinaran for that? Like, I don't understand. Like, is it just, is that, like, for Copatar?

Like, you hear about all these deals. Like, Vancouver tried to sign a bunch of guys to make Quinn Hughes happy. Like, did they go out and get Panarin for Copatar to say we can't let this? Like, well, why'd you need them? I don't know. I guess when Coppar leaves. Well, they lost the argument. Fiala at the

Olympics, too, right? So maybe they were looking for a replacement for Fiala. But at the end of the day, you know, they're going to have Copa Tars money come off the books. They're going to have to have a reset. You know, you're seeing the one thing that stood out for me in the playoffs so far is these young teams are not afraid. And, you know, there's, that's the one, you know, there's four young teams, including Montreal, which is, you know, an exciting, exciting, skilled young team.

That was a hell of a game. Great game. Last night. Great. And we got to get into, like, I don't know if the refs have had their best run here, but there's some calls and some non-calls. You know, the Evanton game, I thought that was a goal. I'm sorry. I thought it looked at me like it went over the course.

I agree with you that they got it right. I also agree with a lot of people who have been saying I don't know how the ref called it in live. I agree. I know why. I know why, boys. Why? Why? Okay.

Why. Lavi was great at this, and every coach who has half a brain, which it's debatable in the National Hockey League, I think a big part of the reason, because the refs weren't in position of it, but every coach will tell you, if it's close or it looks like it, even with video replay, you act like you scored a goal, you jump up and down, and you act like it goes in. Because you watch, this ref is in no position, and this goes behind the net. Yeah, these guys are like, goal, goal, that's in, that's in. So the ref's like, hang on a sec, maybe that was in. How else would they call that a goal? And look at this one, Ottawa, Carolina. Brady Kachuk's like, that's in, that's in. That ref was pointing to the other side of the net.

He's like, I have no idea. So if you're just around the net and there's any kind of situation like that, you just jump up and be like point in there. And then all of a sudden, I think it was reactionary from the ref, especially the one in Carolina. The ref saw Brady could chuck, and then he was like, goal, it's in. It's like you didn't see anything. The human element. It does work.

You're right. And the selling of calls and not calls in Montreal, you know, it glances or doesn't glance. And like, I'm pro ref. I always try to be because they've got a live view of it. They don't have the luxury of us, you know, multiple views, all of that type of stuff. But there's been some funky stuff that have happened. And then, you know, whether it's a call or non-call, people in Montreal are pissed today because that changed how, you know, that high stick. I agree, noodles, but I thought the Kucherov slash at the end of the game was so weak.

Yes, it was ridiculous. So you had a chance to tie it up and you can take advantage. I couldn't believe that Kuturov call. That was garbage. Some of the Rats have got to be getting better. I agree. I don't know how they, I don't know who they get involved or I don't know what, even if Billy McCurry is involved to get. but get somebody on site like every night.

I don't know. It's got to be better than what it is. There's some nonsense going on out there. Tiki-tack calls, missed calls. I think what they're pissed about, too, is, you know, guys are selling it. We argued about it on Friday. Did Sidney Crosby sell that? And refs are like, the hell with you.

You're making me look bad. I'm going to write you up type of thing. And I think there is a lack of trust of what's going on out there. But there's been either a call or missed calls or whatever. some great hockey, but getting back to my original point, you're seeing young legs and teams that are young and skilled and exciting, you know, doing some damage and not being afraid of the moment. Big time. And that's really impressive for the league moving forward.

It is. Like there appears to be a bit of a turnover going on right now. You know, and we'll see. Utah's got a chance to put their dagger in Vegas tonight. We'll see it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they won. Buffalo goes into Boston and they just dismantled the Bruins. was an ugly game that was completely dismantled them and the habs are right there with tampa like it

it is a coin flip of a series that's a hell of a series though like what's missing what's missing from that series there's i guess a fourth overtime last night i thought it was going to go to overtime i called my buddy last night well he called me and we were tall he loves talking hockey and he's down in north carolina saying this habs team man god they look good and this and that and i said they have to understand the magnitude of this moment because they got a team in the Tampa Bay Lightning that is battle tested, they're champions, they got one of the best coaches to ever coach

in the National Hockey League, and they're sleepwalking right now. They're sleepwalking. They haven't played that good. A lot of their top players had not been good in the series. And if Montreal had to made that 3-0 and stole that game, they just would have had so much of a better opportunity. And boom, that hit changed every.

thing last night and all the sudden Vasilevsky started getting horny back there and making big saves and goals started going in and Kuturoff and Gensel and it's like what in the hell do we have on our hands now in a matter of 15 minutes of play right now. I don't know what this hit did to the bench but right after it it woke everybody up and it was a completely like people talk about series changing plays or hits or fights that might be one for Tampa because Montreal it was a big time miss not getting that one, especially. up to nothing, man. Because now they're awake and they're alive and they're dangerous.

Okay, so I got something for, oh, because an analytics guy sent me a note, because you tweeted something out about saying, there's no, there's no stat for them. There's no graph. He sent me a graph and said, the hit, and then you watch Tampa go boom straight up and Montreal go straight down. It was, it's a pretty. So there is. There is, actually.

He said there is. Shut up. Shut up. There's no graph. No, there's no graph for the initial hit and the instinct and the stones it takes. I've got to turn it. It's said expected goals. And he points out where the hit is.

And then you look at Tampa Bay goes straight up and Montreal flatlines. I love that. I love that. I laugh. Save it for MJ tomorrow for disserdata. He's tongue-in-cheek and he loves you. But he was just like, you know, tell-o. There actually is like some form of an analytic.

Mike Kelly. That was Mike Kelly that said you that. You know what I think is happening right now? At a restaurant downtown, we're on mute, and Keith Pelley's watching us saying, I like that. I like that a lot. And I'm going to apply it to where the Maple Leafs are going in the future.

But here's the reality. Let me get a point in here. Sorry. That hit, what it really does is took the crowd completely out of it. Because that place was going nuts. Yeah, silence is the place. Serge Sivard comes out to start the evening. He's got, you know, it's just.

Good looking, dude. Serge's still got his great hair going. He looks. phenomenal. The jersey pops and the place is going bananas. That building looked like it was amazing. Amazing. And the Habs score first and then they score second and I know the feeling. I can put myself in that building

as if you're a Habs fan, you're thinking this is it. Like they're going to win the game now. They're going to go up 3-1 and they're going to take control this. And then the hit, Kuturov, like it's such a beautiful setup. Hegel is, he's got a Dave Ander Chuck vibe. Our boy Darcy Tucker when he had big years. Go to the net with your stick down and

Kutraev will find you. You might hit you in the chest and it's going to go in. But it was just a beautiful kind of reversal of the fortunes of the series and I agree with you. It was such an opportunity for Montreal. Different from Edmonton because Edmonton was down to one in the series. When they went up to nothing early and I don't know how

you guys felt but I'm like there's no way they're winning this 3-1. Like there's no way the way the oilers have been playing. And it would just be too easy of a storyline that they put Jari in and they actually make it easy and they went 3-1 and go home time. Of course they blow that and then they lose an overtime. But it was a series-changing, game-changing play. And I think that's going seven.

And I think that's, if you're a hockey fan, that's what you want, right? Montreal and Tampa, it's a great series, big characters, great crowds, great history between the two teams. That would be awesome. That rink, like I can't, you know, there's some buildings that pop. That seemed like that was on another level. Right. But not at the end.

Like when Hagle's score, you can hear a pin drop. Oh, I get it. I'm just saying the excitement around the building, the excitement. Like, we talk about it all the time. Buzz in the city. Like, you know, you get near that city. I had two buddies that were there saying the city's just literally been electric. And my buddies like to enjoy themselves.

And they've been having a time. Well, Friday night win in overtime. Well, when Hudson puts it under the bar. You win in overtime. There's your bar play. Oh, yes. You had, I guarantee you have a Hudson on the list. Well, maybe not.

I got to be honest. You know, there's a couple of, I've got two goalies on the list now, noodles. Oh, yeah? I can get to my bar play list whenever you guys want it. Well, no, I just. If you guys are thirsty, I've got a couple of rounds of drinks for you guys. We'll do it later this hour. Yeah, I do it later.

I'm just saying like that. Playing Hudson's not on it. You're a disgrace. Well, I'm just. telling you. Yeah, but he didn't have as there's a lot of teams that are doing well. Like,

you have time to, you have time to text Joe from the bridge. I might, because here's the thing. Here's what I ended up doing. Don't do me dirty like that. What I ended up doing was, this is such a greasy play.

We do this every year with the top 50 list. We always talk about it. Like, wow, we missed, you know, we better get an extra goalie in there. We'll slide him in a 50th or whatever. And I was looking at Carolina or Colorado. I'm like,

I don't have an avalanche on the list. They just swept L.A. without a ton of production from Natchez and McKinnon. I think McKinnon got his first goal yesterday. That's why I was going to put him on. I'm like he scored, you know, he's finally gotten a series. I mean, he's played well and played fine. I'm going to rearrange it.

I think you're right. I'm going to do that for later in the hour. Joe, I'll send you a new list because I don't think an avalanche sticks out, even though they just swept the L.A. Kings. Yeah, I mean, you know, McCar was like, yeah. McCar's been very good. And you heard like the goalie's been very good. Yeah, but I.

I don't know if you heard DJ Smith talking about them. Like his exit interview today, he was like, you know, teams usually that are buttoned up will have a lull in their game, and that's where we felt we could take advantage them. It's like there was no lull. They were so – and watching and doing the game Saturday, as much as it's disappointing for Ottawa, this Carolina team, man, did – like, they were unbelievable. Yes, they outperformed them top of the bottom. They outperformed it, but it just, their penalty kill?

I swear to God, I joked that it felt like there were seven guys on the ice. They were just maniacs. You agree, Jamie, that, like, right now, hey, well, you guys can weigh in. That's what the show is all about. Come on in, folks, and get involved with this chat. Do you not think that Carolina would be kind of a heavy favorite to win the cup right now? Okay, let me throw something out of you here quickly. Let me throw this at you.

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I'll give you two options. One of Colorado or Carolina win the Stanley Cup or the field. Oh my God, it's the first one for fun. Really? For fun. Well. So no Tampa, no Buffalo. no Dallas

Many or Dallas Yeah like I'll bet you I'll bet you As much as you want right now No odds Give me Carolina Colorado One of them You don't even need both

I'm not saying that's the cup To win the cup To win the cup One of those two teams Carolina or Colorado I'll take it Thousand dollars I'll take it

Thousand dollars I'll take it You'll take a hundred Or no a thousand I'll take it I mean listen Those are the two best teams The top seat in the west

Top scene in the east Both had a huge luxury down the stretch, Carolina in particular of like load managing down the stretch, right? They were shutting guys down and just saying, let's get ready and preparing. Colorado, not to the same extent, but kind of. The last seven or eight games, they had moved past Dallas and Minnesota, and they knew they were comfortably and first in the central. So, and also, I didn't think Ottawa was going to be a layup. Like, I was surprised the way it played out that way.

It turns out they were. I mean, they swept them. Like, you can talk about how close it was all you want. I can't imagine anyone in Ottawa wants to hear that today. I could be wrong. No, dude. You know the market better than I do. But the idea of anyone's selling, I was still a good season and how it went backwards from a year ago.

You know what it is, though? And even going into the game, I saw a lot. Do you remember in the conference final was it last year of the year before where Brendan Moore was like, we got swept, but we didn't really lose. We didn't, you know, so they were going, here's Travis Green after today's game. They were saying that. Right. You know, liked a lot about their game, but you've got to see where you are. And like anything, they're always going to be changed.

And you need to get better. You need to find, they need to find scoring. But although Brady Kachuk and Tim Stutzla had 19 shots on goal, feathers, right? Yeah. Pinto was terrible, I thought. You had your guys were there. Greenie said on this show, he said, we've been on the barbecue for two months or whatever. Carolina deserves a lot of credit.

I just don't think Ottawa got over the line. They just didn't get off the barbecue. I don't know if they ran out of gas or they just didn't have it. And saying that, though, Jamie, and I have to think about how I want to word this. They're not quite Steve Eisenman's press conference where he said, we need better players. Because what Detroit did coming down the stretch was borderline ridiculous for that to have happen again. But that's two years in a row. you just lost in the first round against the Toronto Maple Leafs,

basically because they had some better players with Matthews and Marner and Neelander that made some more plays. So that was one year. And then the second year, you got, you know, the screws put to you defensively. Freddie Anderson was great. But at the end of the day, both are not getting the job done. So you have to, you got to look to get better. You got to look to improve.

Because you can't just come back next year and say, if you just put this same exact group in there next year, things are going to change. I think it's crazy to think like that, man. It's like going on a long road trip, guys, when you're letting, like, letting gross ones rip in the car. You get out, you try to freshen up, you think you get back in the car,

it's going to smell nice again. It doesn't. It doesn't. Then you leave, the person who's fart and you leave at the gas station and you move on. It's what you're saying is you need new people in the car. That's right. It's not going to be a completely new caravan. No, but I do think you are going to.

a change. I do think you have to just by osmosis. I know the rumblings already about, you know, hey, what's Brady's future? Which it has to be talked about. At the end of the day... I don't get it. Why? He has term on his contract. Is he just not happy there? Or is it because he went to the White

House and was bothered about that in ridiculous fashion? Why? Why is Brady need to be talked about? It's the same conversation here in Toronto, in Ottawa, and if Evanton loses, it's going to be... Well, McDavid wants out. That's just the narrative.

That's how people like to think. Whether that's true or not, we will see. But the point being is that regardless, these are the things that, you know, Steve Stales, Travis Green, Dave Poole and all of them are going to go back to the drawing board and go, okay, where do we come up short and what do we need? What do we feel we need? In a perfect world, oh, you always said, get me another top six forward, you know, absolutely.

They need somebody who can score, one-shot score, that type of stuff. obviously they needed health too Jake Sanderson banged up you know Jensen Clevin coming back there Zube like you get it the health wasn't there but in the end did you feel like this group

if they were healthy and firing in all cylinders could they go deeper should they have gone deeper or do you need to add and I think that's what has to be answered in Ottawa In order to add though And something that needs to be looked at guys And this is not a criticism

And this is not taking away For the kind of player that he is And Jamie you've described Stutzla as a superstar player, which he is. He's a 90 to 100 point guy. He's dynamic. But is he a 1A guy that you can go to war with and win? You've got to ask yourself the question because it just needs to be asked.

In the playoffs in particular, it's two different seasons. We're aware of that. You know, like regular season success is one thing. We've had this discussion in this town for literally a decade. And it's starting in Ottawa now. Like, you guys are good enough to make the playoffs. You're a really good regular season, like, team. that knows how to put it together.

But are you real deal? I know that they thought they were real deal coming down the stretch because how tough they played and their goaltender was coming around. But that's two years in a row. They proved that maybe they're not real deal. And guess what? They'll be having the same chat in Montreal in five days of Tampa wins the series, right?

Because it's the same thing. Until you prove it, it's easy to project. It's easy to have Uber optimism and say, I love this player, I love that player, I love the makeup of the team. it's difficult to win in the playoffs, right? And you also, on the flip side of it, you can't be silly. You can't be, you know, you can't be overly emotional if you're in management and say, I'm just going to start throwing guys away.

No, no, they're not going to do that. Now, the Kachuk thing, though, is we've got to drive home here, because that could have a massive, like, shift in the organization if he decides. And you can, I know you're pleading ignorance. Oh, the reality is his brother did it. That's why people look at Kachuk differently. His brother literally was like, I'm out of here, and I want out of here, and I'm telling you. Okay, Brian, then call them right now and stop pissing around and get it over with and say, Brady,

if you don't want to leave, then make, do an interview with somebody. You can't use Brady with Austin and Connor in the same. They're not the same. They're all, they're all have different histories and different scenarios in each respective market. I know, but what I'm saying about Brady is, Brady can put it into it right now and just come out and say, I've got three years left in my contract. I don't know what all this non-examination. nonsense is about.

I'm an Ottawa senator, and then it's all stops. It all stops. So what you're saying is, and I would agree with this, it's on him to end it. Absolutely. There you go. So someone get him on the phone and tell him to end it. Yeah, but, okay, so hold on a second. He's got two years left on his deal, and he could be extended next summer.

So this is the, you know, this is a scenario where Matthew was and where you, you know, where Quinn Hughes is, all of that type of stuff. This summer is. Just be straight up either. way. If you're not going to do it, let them know. And maybe they'll do something about it. Maybe they'll let you play it out. But it's up to him to make the call, and I'm sure he will do it. Well, listen, they get it. They're a hockey family. They understand.

But again, I think you have to let your emotions relax for a bit and just, you know, take a pulse. Apparently, he had a baby on the weekend, so that's why he wasn't available today. He played through that. Anyone complaining that he's not at media day? Of course he's not. He played the game. It would have been a bigger story if he was like, I'm not playing game four because I'm going to see my wife. Today, him missing today is the most obviously. I have no issues with that.

I don't tie it to his future because he's not there today. And it comes back to the conversation. Anytime you lose, there has to be a forensic audit of, do you feel that this group can get there to the next level? What's missing? All of that type of stuff. It's going to happen in L.A. It's going to happen in Ottawa.

It's going to happen in all these other teams that are on the brink and all of that. And the fallout will be depending on player X, Y, and Z. And then the teams that didn't make the playoffs, you're sitting there going, okay, what is in store moving forward? Here in Toronto, the next year to drop is who's running the ship. That's who we're trying to find out. Who's driving the bus? And listen, that's another thing that hangs over the whole Canadian kind of storyline is that it's been 30 years since the Canadian team won. and do you feel great that one's going to end the drought this year?

Ottawa's out. Edmonton's on the brink of elimination, and the Havreel's the best. But if Montreal gets through, I could see them doing damage. I could see them as well. I don't, but, well, they win a Stanley Cup. I'm not willing to go to that distance. The Habs are in the best position in the country right now.

I believe that to be the case. They're really well built. Their cap is in line. They've got prospects coming. Like, they're in a really good position for future. success, Montreal. Edmonton is still, they still have the makings of a team that can work, but they're in trouble

right now. They're in big trouble. Yeah. They're in big trouble. All right, the bar play updated list coming up later in the hour. We get Troy Stetcher on. Troy will come up just after five last came about his leaf experience, Edmonton experience, what he's making of the playoffs right now.

Jay's back in action against the Red Sox tonight. You Savage making his return tomorrow. Shures are on the I.L. That was very predictable. based on performance, that they were going to have to make a decision on him. And it was ugly on Friday night. But they won the series. They've won two of their last two series.

So Blue Jays, Red Sox tonight, Steve Phillips on that more, including the Mets getting swept by Colorado over the weekend. That in about an hour. And the Raptors are back in a series after a great, great weekend for the Raps. Game 5 in Cleveland will start looking ahead to that. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. Something to chew on is brought to you by Boston.

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Bringing you more ways to play your game, your way. Jay's Red Sox tonight. You see they're giving out Ernie Clement, Jay's hockey jerseys tonight. And as always, thousands of people lined up from 10 a.m. this morning,

noon this morning. My brother's one of them. Really? Yeah, dude. My brother's 51 years old. He's like a, he's a senior police officer. Like, seniority. Like he's a stud.

He goes and waits for a bobblehead. Needs it, like tells people to get. It's just like, come on, man. Has to have it. Yes. Playing on Ernie, like Ernie Clement, obviously he's been good, right? It's been very good. It was great last year.

He's big hockey guy. And Jay's are playing on. on that tonight. Well, see, I'm sure it looks pretty cool. I'm sure it's a good look for Ernie. Yeah. They do give them credit. Like, they do give pretty good little...

They market very well. Yes. Like, you always know about these silly days. And when you're getting ready, like you're giving these things away, there's 25,000 of them wherever, like, it's not cheap. Yeah. No, exactly. Like, they've got to produce them and they're giving them away, and they always limit it

to a certain amount to create... the supply and demand trigger, right, to get people lining up, which is crazy and create kind of the buzz. But, yeah, Dylan sees on them out tonight. Trey is Savage. There it is. That's pretty cool looking. They are very nice looking.

They are very nice. I'm a boy, Ernie. I like that. I can get down with that. And he Savage back tomorrow. We'll get into that with Steve Phillips. You know, big opportunity for him to hit the ground running. You know, I think people need to allow him to ease back into the majors.

He's a really young guy, and he's trying to figure it out. he didn't have a great rehab stint, but this is reality we're living in. Are they force-feeding him back in, or do you feel like that? No, you got to be a stud, Jamie. You know that Roberta Luongo or yourself, you were a stud too. You go down to the minors and give up five. They're like, you're not just, you're not staying down there, Jamie. Come back up.

So you just got to have the mentality of I'm a stud. I just needed that to get some reps. And he is a stud. So just it's all mental boys. I'm in that zone right now. Everything's mental, and he's just got to tell himself. I like that. I like that idea.

Because he's got, again, a great opportunity here to show up where the rotation needs. I'm Scherzer is now on the IL. And even if he was healthy, he wasn't pitching very well. Patrick Corbyn, they're going to allow to go. Like, he's going to get starts. But Cesar's been great. Gosman was brilliant again over the weekend. You get your Savage going.

Like, now you can get cooking again, right? Yes, the Yankees are up to a decent start, but no one else in the American League used to scare you. The Red Sox have been terrible. They just fired their whole. staff. Dude, what a scene that is. Not worse than the Mets, though. They suck so bad, dude.

Brutal. They are terrible. They get swept by Colorado over the weekend. And Bichette is in a dark place, man. Like, I feel for, whoa, make it $42, $43 million a year, but he's still a human being. Look at that guy. And he's just on his own in the dugout. Hey, Barry Trots theory on Bob Bichette with the Mets.

Barry Trots. It's like he. It takes a legacy player about a year. I don't know if the Mets are going to give him a year with that fan base. But keep in mind, though, Stamco's had been in the league 15 years. This guy's how many years? Oh, he's been in a long time, noodles. Yeah, but he's been around.

But, hey, let me ask you this. Yeah, not quite the Stamco's, but he's not a 20-year-old kid. I know, but he's not 33. That was my point. If the Mets picked up the phone, you got to consider what the circumstances are here, okay? and they called Ross and said, we're going to work this out so it's like less money, it's not full ticket.

Would you take them back? And you're Ross. Talk to me. We're going to cut the money so you're not paying full pop because it's ridiculous. Right. Any chance you want to sniff. How big a sniff are you going to take? I would sniff at it for sure.

A deep sniff? I would have to contemplate it. Would you gold dust? I would gold, I think I would gold dust it because You what? Here's the reality. It wasn't, they didn't sign him like a 10-year contract. Three years?

Yeah, it's a three-year deal, but I believe it's player options. But, do you look it up, there may be team options too. It may be a scenario where the team can get out from underneath it. It's, you know, we're still 20, 30 games into the season. You know, it's still very early. You didn't forget how to play. You guys say that all the time. You say that about goalies who struggle all the time.

Didn't forget how to play. Didn't forget how to coach. Some of them have. Yeah, well, Bichette, I don't think has. The question is, you know, reinserting him to the clubhouse now that may have moved on without him. Now, it's not hard to get him back into the fold. But if you've made the decision, you know, they could have paid Bow and kept them, probably. You know, maybe he wanted a new start, but it just, and if he wanted to leave, does he really want to come back?

You know what I mean? Like if he felt like he just, Fred VanVilit was on a podcast recently saying like he knew he just was done with Toronto and they were kind of done with him. Once you get to that point as an athlete, regardless of how bad it's been the first month and a half wherever you went, it's tough to reignite your passion for the place you decided that's enough. I got to leave. So I just think it would be complicated to make that work. But I still believe he'll figure it out. He's still going to be a good player.

And they could use some help. You know, Jays are still dealing with injuries, and there's still three games under 500, so by no means, are they perfect right now? It's the weird thing with, like, the Marner discourse to segue into a different sport, different conversation. Seeing Leaf fans goofing on Mitch, and Mitch hasn't been great in the playoffs, his numbers aren't spectacular, but the Leafs are out. The Leafs are about a dreadful season.

How do you goof on Mitch Marner or even Ottawa, for that matter? Yeah, Ottawa gets swept, but the Leafs were, out of the playoffs with 20 games to go. Yeah, just different, yeah, a different thought process. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, be reasonable with kind of where the chirps are. You got to kind of like the old glass houses statement applies. That's a fair. Glass house, yeah, that's fair.

Don't throw stones. I mean, you know, ultimately when you're looking at a guy like Bo is, you're right, like it took Stamco's a year to settle. He scored, I don't know if you guys know it. He scored 40 goals this year. I did. Stamco scored 40 goals this year. Unreal.

Hell of a player. And, you know, you don't forget how to do that, but it was his new environment. But it took him a full calendar year to get sorted out and feeling comfortable in Nashville, or at least getting the looks that he wanted and the luck and all of that. Maybe it takes a while to settle in. Well, I remember us having this chat last year. Should Stamco's go back to Tampa? Should Breezeball call up trots and work a deal out and bring them back?

And at that point, it made sense. And now you look at it, right? You let it breathe a little bit. And I think Tampa's moved on and Stamcoast has settled in and it's all good, right? I think both parties would be happy with their history but also happy with the fact they decided to go in a different direction. It happens. And Trott's stepping down. Like that's, you hear people going into Nashville, like who's going to get the GM job here?

I keep coming back to Toronto. Who's going into Vancouver? Like there's three jobs open like right now that teams need to sort out a lot quicker than you think. you've got the, I know you have people in place, but you've got the draft lottery coming up soon. You want, I guarantee you they're all having their draft meeting soon as well because you've got to get your list together because the junior playoffs are going on. So lots of stuff happening. And I know Keith Pelly said, what did he say about mid-May they were aiming to have somebody in place? Yeah, I'm not sure if he ever put a date out there.

He might have. Maybe that was our insight. But I know the insiders have suggested that. And on one end, you know, you don't rush. because you've got to get it right. Ultimately, this is about setting course for your franchise for the next decade. You know, there's no point getting this. Do you think he's going to get it right?

Let me just ask you guys this. Since this dreaded press conference of his, and we all talk to a lot of people on a daily basis, we almost have to do this job, to get him for me, whatever. We're not insiders, but we can call whoever we want to call. Have you had one person say, I'm hyped and I'm super confident that Keith Pelley is going to get that's right. Have you guys got one of those texts or messages?

I've not, I haven't personally, but listen, he's... Jamie of you? There's been more negative than positive, put it that way. I would say... The answer's no. The answer is no. It's more about just, I think it's the question mark is, you know, the final, the people that you are rumored to have finalists in that, they're saying, is that the list? Like, is that how short the list is? Is that who you're dealing with? Again, they can come in and do an unbelievable job, but you...

They're unproven technically. In a market like this, and Hayes, we've talked about this at length. This is the biggest market for hockey, them in Montreal, you know, on the planet. It's a big job. And the team, there's lots of work to be done here. There's a lot of factors that come in. So I think you're looking at, you're unturning every stone. You've got to look under every stone.

And that's, I think, the point you just made is what probably isn't brought up enough, but is probably leading to the majority of the pessimism or the reaction to who they're allegedly and reportedly talking with. Right. If it were heavy, heavy hitters in the game, winners, big, and there's not a ton of management types that fit, that check every box. It's just like coaches.

Think about this. How many people in management around the National Hockey League would you think I got to get that guy to run my team? Think about it. Well, exactly. But let me finish my point. point. If you go to them and say, we want you, that person may tell you, I have to blow that place up and it's going to take me five years.

Anyone with half a brain would tell you that. And that is the point is if that might be the answer right in front of us, why it's possibly white or Chikas, because Peli has said, you're keeping Craig Barouba, you got to make Austin Matthews happy and we've got to try to win next year. if those are if those are on the table i don't know if they are but if that is the directive from your future boss i probably eliminates 80% of people in the game they're like i'm not deal with that dude i already told you how i had to conduct the interviews brian i sit somebody down and say i think we can compete next year how do you how are how are you going to accommodate my

wants and needs and as soon as they told me i'd say get out i was lying we stink to catfish? Yeah, I catfish it might say. I think we're a couple pieces away. What are you thinking? If they shake their head, I'm like, out you go. You're nuts. Just a brown-nosing catfish.

Yeah, you want somebody to shine up an apple and put it on your desk. Oops, catfish, you're out. Yeah, like how could anybody think that there are a couple pieces away? Wrong. Anyone that would say that in an interview, they're dead wrong. Now, what if Matt Sundin thinks there are only a couple pieces of way? I would tell that to his face, too, because he's not stupid. He would not think that.

I get it. But, like, Matt's, that's the name that continues to linger here. Now, who knows what is true, what is not, what's going to happen, what won't. But, like, if Matt Sundeen ends up at the top, basically replacing Brendan Chanahan, like, why would he accept anything less than that? If you're Matt Sundeen, why would you say, let me get this straight, you gave Brendan Shanahan that title, who never played a second for this team, but me, the all-time greatest leave. for one of them, I got to ease my way into it.

Like, if you're Matt's, you're probably like, no, actually, that's not happening. I know, if I'm taking over the operation, it's Shanahan's title. I played with Matt's. He's a friend of mine. But we don't know what basically his capabilities are. I agree. I'm not arguing against that. What has he been doing around the league? Like, we don't know what he's. Like, Matt's is smart enough to understand.

You just don't show up in the National Hockey League and start saying, get that guy and get this guy if you don't know the league. I don't know what he's been up to for the last 10 years. And that is the separator. Like, Shanahan was working in the league and watching like 12 games a night and was here and in North America, there's a difference. Yeah. But Shanahan had never run anything. No.

He never been with a team before. Yeah. Like, if he just says, you do the hockey and I'm going to make sure the guy's not paying at Center Ice to skate around with the flag and I'm going to take care of that stuff, that's different. Well, but I don't know what he's been up to for 10 years. I really don't. I think there is somewhere in the middle, and hear me out on. this. As you mentioned, I don't know Matt's.

Met him a few times, a wonderful person. Smart guy, though. Okay? Hall of Famer knows the game, but you're right. He hasn't been living it for the last 10 years right in the middle of it. But, you know, somebody pointed out to me, Marty St. Louis was like coaching, you know, Bantam hockey and all of a sudden he's the coach of the Montreal Canadians. I will say this.

Smart people and special people, Matt Sundeen's a special person. Just like Marty St. Louis, these Hall of Famers, they have a different level of thinking, especially when it comes to the game. There's no negative in having a guy like Matt's involved. Totally agree. It's a very valid point. But here's what I'd say. He doesn't have to be the business day-to-day crunch and numbers, all of that. But if you want his voice at the table, figure out what works for you and for Matt Sundeen.

I keep coming back as part of a group. this should be by committee. This isn't the, you know, Carolina hurricanes where it's Dundon into, you know, analytics. I'm drawing about it. Yeah, Erk Tulski. Yeah, Irk Tulski into Rod Brinnell. This is a conglomerate. I agree with you noodles.

Right. But here's what I'm getting at. Okay. Is if I'm playing the role, Matt Sundeen here. Okay. We all love Matt. Matt's is very confident in who Matt Sundeen is. Right.

Even more confident when it comes to connecting his name to the main. Maple Leafs, right? There's like five players all time who can walk around with a Vince McMahon Strutt like Sundeen can around that building. It's like him, Clark, Sittler. It's a good strut. It's a good strut. It's like, get out of my way. I'm Matt Sundee. I'm not saying he does it disrespectfully. The point being is I'm, what I'm getting at is if he's an advisor, that's one thing. Then it's like, you know, Justin Williams and other guys around the league. Jerome McGillah. Yeah, exactly. You can come in and out. You want to live over there. That's okay. And we'll check. in but if it's more than that he i don't see matt sundeen saying yeah i'll i'll take less than

what brendan shanahan got yeah his situation why would he accept less than that his his living situation would be a factor in that because i i would almost bet money that the maple leaps would say to him if you're going to be involved any more than an advisor like some kind of senior vice president enroll, anything like that, you're going to have to move here. You can't fly in. 100%. You can't fly in once a month and be the senior VP of a corporate. Mandatory, you're here.

Mandatory. And I would bet you that would be something that they're trying to work out right now. If he wants to do it, how badly he wants to move his family back to Canada, those are big decisions to have to make if you're taking on something like this. But he's not doing it to be in a group with John Chica and someone else is my point. He's doing it to be at the top, I would think. Fair enough. and that's a great point.

But anybody who takes a job in senior management, you have to be on, you have to dive in. It becomes your life. This isn't a scenario where if you want to be a part-time advisor, that's great to have somebody at the table, a phone call away, come in for big meetings,

all of that type of stuff. But these guys alone, they didn't get to be that successful in hockey by just being half-assers. They're guys who have put the work in. And I think that's the one, thing that has to be focused on. The new hire has to be somebody who is a relentless worker.

Because by all accounts, the MLSE and everybody in these organizations, there's three people to do one job for everything. And I think that's where you streamline it and say, I want the best, but I want people who work. Let's go to work here and fix this and figure this all out. I agree. Troy Stature coming up. Steve Phillips will join us.

Overdrive continues up on YouTube live. All right, Troy Stature, coming up. Best Fets later this afternoon. Raptors back in the series. What a defensive performance. The offensive performance from both teams was horrendous yesterday. But ultimately, the wraps really played beautifully down the stretch. Hit some big shots.

Hit a bunch of free throws and found a way to win that game and tie that series up. Your boy, Darko was going nuts too on the way out of the stadium. I love that energy from Darko. He's a fired-up guy. He's a raw, raw guy. I got to show you guys a video. Paulo Coliaco's business partner and close friend is the guy that got absolutely steamrolled. When the ball went out of bounds?

Yes, Carlos' business partner, sorry, Carlos' brother, Paulo, his business partner slash good friend, gets absolutely trucked. Joe from the bridge, get the biz. Okay. I don't know. I remember it was late in the game. Was it a rapper that hit him? or was it Mitchell that went in? I think it was Spider, yeah.

I think it was Mitchell that went in, right. And he just gets creamed, and it's Paulo's buddy. Okay, we'll find that. He's laid out there, laying there. Yeah, he just gets absolutely steamrolled. That would be so embarrassing, dude. I just don't, I can't even imagine. Well, courtside, you go in there knowing it's possible, man.

Like, there's videos of Shaq jumping into the stands trying to save a ball. Yeah. Like, that's dangerous, man. Shaquille O'Neill and his prime. crime diving over people. I remember that cameraman. Wasn't it Rodman that kicked the guy in the pills? Yep.

The cameraman beside the court? Yeah, I think he sued him and I'm sure he won. Oh, he got some cash, guaranteed. Yeah, Rodman was paying for that one. There's no question. But, yeah, Rappers were really good defensively. That's a big win. They're heading back to Cleveland.

So now you've got a best two out of three. And your boy, Fitsy, hooking his brother up down in New Orleans. Do you know how much his brother owes him? that bunker shot on 18 was so outrageously good. Unreal. Like, unreal shot. He had a drive on 18, dude. He hit that big center, center.

Dude, he got out, he stood up on that tee and nutted that drive. And then he spun that little sand shot. I thought he bladed it at first when Doddy said all golf ball. But is this Paulo's buddy getting just absolutely train wrecked right here? Yes. This is Paulo's buddy getting absolutely steamrolled at the Raptors game. Oh, man. that's a big yes yes wow that's a big is he all right like i don't know i think so yeah i'm not i mean

if the guy had a concussion he probably wouldn't tell anybody but we hope he hopes paul's buddy follows buddy we hope you're better but 50 dynamic and his brother gets into the pGA all the signature events and he's got a tour card for two years unreal yeah and he's he gets to play the players at the pj championship too he gets into the next major exactly exactly and 1.3 million cash Like Fitsy, the FITSys are a menace on the PGA Tour. Dude, that little Fitsy with his size 20 sketchers is number three in the world. He's clutch as it gets, but all he does is win tournaments now. He's an unbelievable player.

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