OverDrive - OverDrive - August 1, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Dave Feschuk for hour one of OverDrive! The guys discussed the Blue Jays’ trade deadline additions before getting into Micah Parsons requesting a trade from the Cowboys. The guys discussed Jerry Jones’ involvement in Parsons’ trade request, his future as the Cowboys owner, and potential trading spots for Parsons. The two wrapped up the hour breaking down Hockey Canada’s orientation camp roster for the 2026 Olympics.

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TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, and up on TSN4. Brian Hayes, Dave Fesschuk in here. How are we feeling this afternoon? Dave. Could not be better. Could not be better. Beautiful day. Heat's gone, but it's still hot.

Yeah, it's perfect. actually perfect weather perfect for a ball game tonight I'm expecting a pack barn pack barn and I guess the new guys are Varland in France anyway will be activated I haven't seen the lineup yet I don't think it's out Ross Atkins will join us in an hour Shane Bieber

I wonder if he'll like I don't think he'd be up here he's obviously still rehabbing but maybe he'll be in Buffalo this weekend yeah it could be and that would be a Hollywood moment that you know if he just is there for of a round of applause, you know, top step in it, waving at people, because I do look forward to that when he makes his eventual return to the major leagues and straps on a Blue Jay uniform and pitches at home because, you know, Ty France, we'll see. We'll see what he brings

to the table, right-handed bat. I can't imagine he's in the starting lineup tonight. We'll see. Never know. Never know. Varland will pitch. Dominguez is not pitched as a Blue Jay at the Rogers Center, so I'm sure both of them will get a very welcome, you know, welcome home type of But it feels like Beaver is the man in terms of the trade deadline. And when he finally arrives and makes his first start down at the Rogers Center, I think it's going to be a pretty electric evening. Oh, it'll be great. It'll be great.

But tonight it's about Kevin Gosman. And you're running into the Royals who have not been great this year, kind of a team that hovers around 500. But the three starters you're going to face are all having really good seasons. Quality guys. Absolutely. So this will be, it's important that the arms snap back out of it. They were pretty terrible when they were in Baltimore.

and the bats stay alive because they've been alive for about a month and a half. Well, this is the time of year, too, Hayes, where you can't get caught up in looking past opponents, right? Because just like you saw in Baltimore, you go into a Baltimore team that hasn't done much this season, but they're trying to sort of prove something, right? There's a lot of guys in those rosters that are underperforming. They want to prove something, and they got, you know, 50-something games that do it. So if you start going and thinking, oh, we're better than these guys, we're better than these guys, you're going to be sorely mistaken.

Yes. I don't think the Blue Jays should be in any position to look down on anybody. They're looking down on everybody from the top step with the standings. Good for them. That's great. What I'm talking about is, like, if you're the Dodgers, okay, you lost to Cincinnati. Like, I don't think they, I think they look down

on people. And I think they have a right to do that. I think the Dodgers have a right to do that. I think the Yankees during the regular season have a right to do that. I think during the regular season, the Maple Leafs have a right to do that. but the Blue Jays are not in that position. Based on the way they performed last year,

we talked about it a lot yesterday. If you split up this season into two halves, the first half, they were like Kansas City. Yeah. You know, they were just kind of kicking their tires and just kind of around.

26 and 28. Yeah, you cannot be in a position where you are so arrogant that you believe because you're at top the American League East on August 1st. You look down on people.

And I don't believe that's their attitude. I mean, this is all a hypothetical conversation. I don't think they feel like, That's the case that there's so much better than everyone else. Baltimore in particular has just had their number. But you had a very important day off yesterday. You acquired pieces.

Ross Akin spoke with the meet again. Ross would join us in an hour. And he said they're fired up because he hit his checklist. That's what they wanted. Starter, a couple of bullpen arms, bringing a bat with some versatility. That's what you got. And I think from that standpoint, I understand why they would be fired up? Like why wouldn't you picked up a, you've improved your team.

How much better they are? well, we'll see how healthy Shane Beaver's going to be. But they're definitely better today than they were two days ago. I think if you would have, if you would have said to you and me a week before the trade deadline, this is how it's going to end up for the Blue Jays after the trade deadline. They're going to get two relievers, both of whom can throw heat, you know, in Varland and Dominguez. They're going to get backup catching or double a catching, I guess, insurance catching. They're going to get a utility guy with a bat who's been an all-star in Thai France.

and they're going to get a guy who's one of Sa Young who's on the rehab trail who medical science would kind of point to the idea that there's a very, very good chance that come a month or two from now, he will be back in the form that he is

used to being in. So if you would have said all those things to me a week before the trade deadline, I would have said that's pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. I agree. You know, and I get it that there's been, you're always looking at what the other teams are doing. And we spent three hours talking about it yesterday.

And the Yankees, they went more all in than the Blue Jays did. That's where, that's the difference. That's fine. But you can't, you know, that should not take away from, again, what has been a very positive season for the Blue Jays. And again, I think of a pretty positive trade deadline. And I said that last night after 6 p.m. I said at, you know, 3.5 out of five, that's pretty good.

Yeah. You know, is it a grand slam? No, but what was a grand slam going to actually look like? And other teams are allowed to compete, too. the Phillies were competing for arms the Mets were competing the Yankees were competing Houston it was an incredibly active day it was actually a really bright spot for baseball and this again points to where Rob Manfred is and again if you want to look at it from a big picture standpoint of the potential for a work stoppage in a couple of years

they have changed a lot of the way you kind of experience baseball and I think they've they've hit grand slams collectively I'm talking about the commissioner of the owners in conjunction with the Players Association and the different committees because like the trade deadline used to be it was blended in like remember then it was everyone on waivers and not waiver trade yeah and then it was like August well he's cleared and yeah they can make they're still making guys are getting acquired on August 23rd and you're like what the hell's going on here I thought the trade deadline all the past it was too confusing always confusing and always silly yeah and baseball very wisely said look what these other leagues do they have a

a drop dead like 3 p.m., 4 p.m., 6 p.m., whatever it is, and it's a build-up, and it forces everyone to make their moves, and it paid off. It paid off really well yesterday. So I think they've done a really good job with implementing the new drop-dead trade deadline, the pitch clock,

the avoidance of the shift. Of the shift. Getting rid of the shift, getting rid of like guys coming in from the bullpen, throw on one pitch, and then getting pulled, like forcing guys to throw a certain amount of time. Like the experience, the way you experience baseball is so much more modern and I think

better today than it was a decade ago. Yeah. And yesterday again was kind of as you take a step back, I thought a really positive day for baseball. It was a lot of activity. It was great. And I think you're going to keep moving in the right direction. Like this, this ABS, you know, assisted umpiring, essentially that they ran at the

All-Star game. They've used it in the minor leagues for a while there. They've used it in various spring training games. I think that's going to be a hit. Like, that is, to me, it's not the same as video review. It's much different than video review. It's more like the eagle-eyed tennis, you know, line call thing. Right.

Where it's done in 15 seconds. Quick. It's quick. Fans really enjoy it. I've been to a lot of minor league games. I love going down to the States and watching minor league baseball. I might go down to Buffalo this weekend and see Shane Bieber. There you go.

You know what? That's going to be a hit because there's going to be all kinds of debates about should they have challenge that because you only get two challenges if you get one of your hothead players that's mad at the ump that challenges one he shouldn't have challenged there's going to be conflict not only where the umpile is going to be conflict between manager and player who's tapping his helmet

when he shouldn't be tapping his helmet it's really strategic. There's an ego play there is an ego play there's a strategic play but when should you use your challenges how sure are you of your challenges catcher you know the catcher can challenge as well so it's the pitcher you obviously can urge the catcher to challenge

it's going to be fun so like To your point, it's like everything's going their way in terms of modernizing and improving the game. And how many leagues can you actually say improve their game on a regular basis? No, exactly. I mean, baseball is lapping the field in terms of what they've attacked areas where you're not changing, you know, the fundamentals of the sport. Yes, the old school guys would say you should be able to bring someone in to throw one pitch and then go back to the bullpen or, you know, the bases should still be a certain size. Or there shouldn't be a pitch clock. Let the guy just continue to do whatever he wants.

Yeah, remember the people when they first brought the pitch clock in that was saying, well, no pitch clock in the playoffs. Can't do without it in the playoffs. Anybody's saying that anymore? No, exactly. Because you don't need. You don't need that extra time. We just proved it to ourselves by watching the games and realizing there's no need

to be pacing around the mound and going to the Rosenbag again and tapping your cleats with a, you know, with a whatever it is, a tongue depressor and doing all that. that guys used to do and adjusting your jock a thousand times and stepping out of the batters box a thousand times, just no need for it. And the game is better for it. Yes, it absolutely is. And I think, you know, the ABS system, it's, it's grandfathering in eventually just getting rid of umpires for the most part on balls and strikes. Well, I think so at some point. I mean, you're going to need guys to an extent, you know,

you're going to need someone behind the plate for whatever, you know, to, I guess, orchestrate, whether it's a ball, a strike for communication purposes. Safe and out is still a tough call. Safe and out is still a quick call that you've got to make. And there's no machine that could do it right now. No, but they can review it. You know, they can after the play review it. So technically you could just let everything play out

and then say we're just going to quickly check. Actually, say if he's out, whatever. I don't know. I hope that doesn't happen, but I do feel like it may be moving in that direction. But, yeah, I mean, I think baseball is in a really good place. And again, that's why it's disappointing as we continue to talk about what could happen a couple of years from now. that's two years down the road. So you've got this season again next season. And as of

right now, again, the Jays are three and a half up on the Yankees, five up on Boston, and you got Kansas City in town tonight. So, you know, it's going to be interesting to see how these new guys fit in. But I think you continue to look at, you know, the guys who have kind of carried the load here and the focus and the pressure on them to continue to do it. George Springer was placed on the seven-day IL, the concussion, seven-day IL today retroactive to the 29, but he will not be available today or tomorrow. He could return, I believe, on Sunday. We'll see if Alejandro Kirk rejoins his team this weekend.

But Dalton Varsho is back. So Varsho steps in. You got a right-in-the-mount-royals, so I believe he'll play tonight and be playing center field. And, you know, now you've passed the deadline, the GM management, they can't really do anything else for you. This is your team. What do you have?

This is who you are. What are you going to do? Exactly. And you look, I mean, this is the beauty of it. is this is why you want to put yourself in these positions to play meaningful games in August and September and they've done that but there's still a long way to go right and you wonder about this team like it's it's a tough call to make like I'm I if I had to bet right now which way it will go will they continue this magical kind of story you'd run where all

these guys are overachieving they're getting power enough power even though they're the guy they brought in to be the additional power bat and Santander hasn't been a factor They're getting, you know, sort of the incredible, you know, contributions from guys they did not expect to get contributions from, from the bargers on down, you know, Springer's rejuvenated, now a little bit of a setback. All these storylines that no one saw coming in spring training, heck, barger didn't make the team on a spring training. Can they continue? And I'm like, I'm not sure. Like, I'm not sure which way the optimistic side says, yeah, we would be great for the. the city, been a long time since they've had

a reason to be optimistic going into the playoffs, been a long time since they've won a playoff game, going on nine years. But, you know, the kind of more analytical side says, maybe they've got to come back to Earth a little bit here. Yeah, it's very possible. I do think, you know, what they've done here is built in

an expectation where at a bare minimum you're making the playoffs. Yes. You know, I'm not going to sit here and guarantee they win the American League East. I'm not going to do that. Considering a month and a half ago, they were five, six games back of the Yankees. You know, things can happen quickly in baseball, whether it's internally you fall off or another team gets red hot. You know, the Yankees win 10, 12 games in a row, and all of a sudden you can't control that.

You're not playing them. They're red hot. You know, it's going to happen. There's still 50 games left to be played. So I'm not at a position where if they were to slip out of leading the American League East, that that becomes some disappointment. But if you miss the playoffs, it's catastrophic. Like that, that has been declared now. It's August 1st.

You're well into the play. playoffs, you have to make it. You've got to stay above water. Yeah. So, you know, I was asked that question earlier. Like, if they fell to a wildcard spot, would that be a disappointment? Would that be a choke job? No, they're three and a half games up on the Yankees on August 1st. There's a lot of baseball. Oh, yeah. Yankees are still a really good team. Boston improved, you know, to an extent, and they're still chasing you. So it's not, it's not like it's ALE East or bust at this point, but it's certainly is playoff or bust.

And that's a testament. That's a compliment to your team. Like that's the way it should be on August 1st. Like there's other teams like Kansas City that are like, man, we got to do what Detroit did last year. You know, we got to catch a heater and find a way to get to 87, 88 wins and pray we can back the one of the playoffs. And if you look at Fando and the odds, we got it up on TV right now to win the ALEs, the Jays are still favored, minus 150. Yankees plus 150, socks plus 900, and then the raise in the Orioles clearly are long shots and aren't going to happen. Right.

But that's a testament. to what they've done so far and the team they have and I think a projection on what you can expect the rest of the way. Barring health they're going to be a team that I think

wins more than half their games the rest of the way. Is that enough to guarantee the American League East? No, it's not. But it's going to put you in a really good position to do it.

So credit to them and credit to, again, what they've established so far. So we'll continue to look ahead to the series with Kansas City and town. Ross Atkins will join us just after 5 o'clock. We'll come back and get into this Micah Parsons story, which is so typically Jerry Jones, so typically Dallas Cowboys.

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fast food. See you for a $15 fast lunch at your local Boston pizza. All right, overdrive continues. Powered by Fandul, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Brian Hayes Dave Festchuk in here. So the Blue Jays have released their lineup for the game tonight with the Royals in town and a little bit surprised, but I guess they

you know, you want to get Thai France acclimated. You want them in there. You got to, you know, he's a righty. I got a righty on a mound, but he's going to D.H. and hit six tonight. So you get him into the lineup. You got to hide him and obviously catching because Kirk is still out. But there you go. And obviously, Varsho is back as well. Varsho's back playing

center field tonight and he's hitting 7th. So it's almost like you're adding two guys in a way to the lineup based on the trade deadline. I mean, Varsha was obviously your guy prior to this, but he's barely played all year and he is returning from injury. So you got Lucas leading off playing right field,

Lupo Fido hit in second, then Vladi Bichette, Barger, France, D.H. and Varsho and Center, Ernie Clement playing second. Hine him in behind a play Gosman on a mound. So, again, relying on relying on young guys, Lucas and Luke Perfito to kind of set the table for you

but they've done that all year. Barger hit in 5th, you know, kind of protected by or protecting Vladie and Bichette and France and Varshow back in the lineup. I mean, it is an amazing season. Like I, when you think about the expectations

for this season, hey, he's going back, like who would have thought to begin that Nathan Lucas and Joey Lopofito would be your one, two hitters on August 1st? Nobody, right? Like, there was no possible... No chance.

There was no possible way you could have come to that conclusion in spring training. And then you look at it, like they're on pace for 91 and a half wins right now. The Vegas over under on this team was in the high 70s, depending on which book you were looking at at which moment before the season. So, like, you're right. To your point, like, they're basically locked into the playoffs. They've exceeded expectations, even if they kind of have a 500 finish here from here. Oh, absolutely.

You go 500 the rest of the way you're in. Yeah. You're going to be 88, 88, 89 wins. And all you got to do is catch fire at the right time. Yeah. And basically, like, hoped at Scherzer and Bieber, or somebody else, obviously, but if Scherzer and Bieber show up in the playoffs, in some reasonable facsimile form of their best, you're suddenly dangerous. Yeah. Well, that's it.

Like, there's an element of, like, throwback with their arms now. Like, Bieber won the Cy Young and 20. Scherzer's obviously won multiple Syungson is going to the Hall of Fame. You know, Gosman, Bassett, Burrios, like this rotation five years ago is the best rotation

in baseball by a mile. If everybody's in their prime. If everyone's in their prime. Yeah. And now, you know, none of them are, I mean, Burrios is probably still in his prime, and Gosman's just on the back end of it. But, yeah, you got a scenario here where you've got, you're rolling the dice,

for sure. But you've got a lot of tickets, and if any of those lottery tickets, you know, fall your way, you've got something really special. Wow. The other one would be Santanderer coming back and contributing, right? Right. Well, ask Ross about that. I just don't get the impression it's even close. Like, I haven't heard of him even taking swings.

So if you're not even swinging, and it's kind of curious. Like, is it not a surgery at some point? Like, do you not make the call to shut him down and figure out what exactly is going on? Because Atkins said yesterday, you know, it's taking some time. it's getting better, but it's taking longer than he thought, longer than we thought, but well, you're August 1st and this guy's not even in the cage, like, let

alone going back down at Dunedin and building up and then coming through AAA, and you know that's coming. You know he's spending three or four days in Buffalo before he even plays up here. Wow. He's, it seems like he's a long way from that, though. Yeah, exactly. Like a minimum, a month, month and a half before he's even close.

But I'm just saying, so that's just like, it's another lottery ticket, though, right? Because there's still a lot of time. Yeah. There's still months. plural. Yeah. Yeah, it's August 1st. You get two months, though. 50 games. It's possible. It's possible. You're not counting on it. Glass half full, though. You're right. And listen, look what they've

done without him. He's effectively he hasn't been here all year. When he wasn't in the lineup, he was a mess. It may have been injury related. Possibly. It seems like it was at the end, at least. Yeah. I mean, early on it was, well, he's always a slow starter. And then at the end, it was, it doesn't really look like he's actually

swinging that fluidly. He looked like a broken man. But regardless, the facts are, you know, when he was in the lineup it was kind of a black hole quite frankly he was almost an auto out yes so you've done all of this without them anything you might get out of them is a bonus at this point clearly but um you know loop like you said lucas looper feet are hitting first and second barger hit in fifth and you're three and a half up in the a leas so as long as these guys don't

suddenly come down with a case of imposter syndrome yeah and realize you know i'm not supposed to be here like i'm not supposed to be a lead off and that's a big part of it is like the mental game, the psychology, that you never look in the mirror at any point and say, wow, what the hell am I doing here? Like, how did I get here? I'm the lead outfitter on the best team of baseball. Yeah. We're going to have 45,000 people that don't tonight, and Nathan Lucas and Luperfeeder are coming up

set the table in the bottom of the first. So we'll see. Ross Atkins in just over half an hour. So this Mika Parsons, or Micah Parsons' story, took another turn today, where he has been showing up to camp. He's going into the fifth year of his rookie deal.

And he's a superstar. He's one of the best pass rushers. Really we've ever seen. I saw a stat today that I believe he shares a record with only Reggie White in terms of like double-digit sacks the first four years of his career. I think that's what it was. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just like this guy is a superstar.

He is the linchpin of that deal. defense. Like he is the man in Dallas. And he's been holding in because he wants a new contract, like every player does once they get to this stage of their career, especially defensive players. You've got to take advantage of leverage. You're going into your fifth year. CD Lamb just did it on the opposite side of the ball, said, I want to get paid. Now that T.J. Watts has been paid. Now that Miles Garrett's been paid, you know what the bar is. These aren't overly complicated contracts. because again, Watt just got paid and

Miles Garrett just got paid. So 41 and 40 respective. And I would argue Parsons probably a step below those two guys, like just a step, but also younger than those guys. Which might put them a step above. Possibly. Possibly. Depending on, again, leverage

and pressure points and all that. But I would say it probably should work out to like $38 million a year. You know, those are kind of the guarantees. Work out whatever it's going to be four or five year deal, $38 million guaranteed per year, do the math on that, figure it out.

Naturally, it's never that easy with Jerry Jones and company down there. And it turns out that Parsons and Jones had been having conversations among each other, like communicating directly with each other

over the course of the spring. And naturally, Jerry Jones misread the whole situation and was of the belief that he was negotiating, that he and Parsons were basically brokering a deal. And Parsons' interpretation was, well, I'm just, you know, being an employee and nice, and you're the owner and the GM, and we're talking this out. But needless to say, my agent is the one that's actually going to have to negotiate this in the end. And now it has been reported on by Diana

Ruizini and others that Jones and company with the Cowboys will not even negotiate. with Parsons agent, won't even talk to the guy, don't want to deal with the guy and feel like they've been burned by Parsons. So it's gotten so ugly, Parsons jumped online today and said, I'm demanding a trade. Once out of Dallas.

There it is. I love the iPhone notes post. It's always so professional. But also, I will say this, it does make you realize it's genuinely from them. Yes. Right? Like, you get an Apple Notes post. That's actually the player kind of writing it out.

don't think PR agencies have that template in their in their fold. Generally not. Now, he might have been on the phone with his agent. His agent might have been saying, say this, and then say that, press send. But now it's blown up to the point where Parsons is demanding a trade. Yeah. So.

Let's put that in our quotes. Demanding a trade. And let's point this out to, he's not going anywhere, in my opinion. He's not going anywhere. I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think Terry McLaren's going anywhere either because McCloren's now demanded a trade out of Washington. They both did the, we're going to show up, be good.

guys be around our teammates. We don't want to get fine. Sign autographs. And now you want to get paid. And it's August 1st and it's still very early into camp in terms of the negotiation tactics and the pressure points. But it's just more in my opinion, unnecessary noise

around Dallas. It's just so typical of the way Jerry Jones always operates. You know what you're going to pay this guy. I can tell you what the contract's going to look like. Yeah. Like I know I can give you the ballpark anyway. Somewhere between 37, 38 million. million and 42 million a year.

You know, something in that ballpark. Maybe he's highest paid. Maybe that's what he's demanding. Maybe he wants just a little bit less than Watt and Garrett. But that's around what it is. That's generally why you wait. You wait to go last so that you can be the highest paid, right? And that's what C.D. Lamb basically did.

He waited for Justin Jefferson to go. And then he said, all right. I know where I am now. And Jamar Chase, the reason why it didn't work out is because it's buffoonery in Cincinnati. Right. Just like buffoonery down in Dallas. And eventually they're like, well, we've got to pay Chase. now they had to pay them more.

Last year, maybe they would have paid them a little less. That's exactly true. But, yeah, it's typical showmanship by Jerry Jones that leads to inadequacy and ultimately I think will hurt their football team. Well, I mean, you can certainly make that case. Because this doesn't, it doesn't help that the report, I think why I say that, not, again, I think Parsons will be a cowboy.

I think bygones will be bygones. They'll get a deal done eventually and all work out. when your reputation is that you tried to pull a fast one on your best player, that's the kind of stuff to me that has a lasting effect. Yeah. Like when other players are in the room saying, what? Like he had a golf tournament. He was talking to Parsons and he thought he had a deal and he's holding him to that.

Like that's kind of, that's just ridiculous. That's buffoonery. That's clown show stuff. Well, you could see, yeah, I'm sure there are people that look at it that way. Jerry, he was 82 years old and comes from a different generation. You know, there's all those stories about him making. handshake deals on big money stuff, right? Like, he's from that era where you talked face to face with a guy,

came to an agreement, shook hands on it, and that was that. Your word was who you were. And now, we're along past that era. Jerry, I'm sure, knows that deep down, but he loves operating that way. And he also loves Hayes, like you talk about unnecessary noise and unnecessary distractions. I think he sees it as necessary. Like he loves, Jerry

loves being the center. He loves the circus. That has nothing to wins and losses. The idea that, you know, the idea that any other team in his market or any other team in the country is not, you know, is overshadowing him. And he's not, you know, he's not the first

topic on ESPN's talk shows and Fox Sports talk shows. That ticks him off. He loves being, he loves this conversation that we're having right now. I hear you listen. And I get it. Let's have a couple Super Bowls in his... Yeah, 30 years ago he does. Yes, 30 years ago he does.

More than a lot of teams have. And I had some 12-win seasons very recently. They were very promising. Didn't turn out, but... You're not a supporter. I'm not a supporter. I just like to point out that he has had some success. He's had some success. Yep. He's had some success. And he is... Listen, and he loves being in the spotlight, and he will take the invitations now to come out and speak.

You know he's not going to bite his lip. Like you know he's not going to sit back and just say, I'm not even touching that, this is business. He's going to be now doing interviews and talking about Parsons and probably revealing what he thinks, and that's common practice for Jones, and I think if you're a cowboy fan, you're well aware of it. But it also, I don't think it is a coincidence that he has had serious run-ins,

with the most popular and important positions in the sport running back quarterback first and foremost he had it with DAG running back wide receiver pass rush like that's that's it

and then you can throw in a corner and he's had those over the years right back with Dion 30 years ago and others in the past but he's had it with quarterbacks he had it last year with CD Lamb a superstar wide receiver now he's got it with Micah Parsons

a superstar edge rusher like those are the ones that really attract people. You're in a fight with a left guard. No one really cares. And he knows that. You're fighting with your linebacker, your tight end or something. There's other stuff that ESPN and company are going to talk about. Micah Parsons,

Doc Prescott, C.D. Lamb, those are big. Those are big. And I just, I don't think it's a coincidence that those are the ones that he tries to slow play, you know, or overly complicate. and in the end, I think it actually hurts him because he overpays. Like, he overpaid Dak Prescott.

There's no other way to put it. It's a horrendous contract, horrendous. The fact that he's the highest paid player in the league is a horrendous sorting of business. But he played himself because he kept slowing it and slowing it, slowing it, and then Dak had a massive year, and he's like, all right, I'm out of here. And he said, fine, I got to pay you. You're right. You got out maneuvered.

Yeah, he gets out maneuvered. And I get why he wants the spotlight because he can't get enough of it. His ego, he loves being Jerry Jones. But to me, if I'm the Cowboys, A, they had a brutal season last year. I'm not convinced they're that much better this year. And now you're in one with your best player. It just, you think at some point,

someone else within the Jones family would say, we've got to play this a little bit differently. Well, I don't think anybody in the Jones family has the power to do that, clearly. Any sway over Jerry. Well, how does, like, how much worse could it get with Jerry Jones? who's 82 years old and is already, you know, picking fights publicly and saying things where the cowboy, it seems like in the background, they're like, oh, we better smooth this one over, you know, like there's an element of, you know, Biden, Trump vibes where it's like comes

out and just starts spitting and you're like, what the hell is this guy even talking about? Yeah, there is some of that for sure. Yet he's the owner and the GM and he's been doing it longer than Biden and Trump. Like he's... Yes, he has. He's in the position he's in a lot longer. He's the original Carnival Barker, man. Yeah.

There's nobody like him. And you know what? Look, I mean, I think he's done... The only thing... Look, obviously this is ridiculous. You're right. It's your best player. He may well be the best defensive player in the league.

He's certainly in a conversation. He's one of them, yeah. And to your point, like, only players in the history of the league with 12 plus sacks and their first four seasons are Parsons and Reggie White. Pretty good. It's not bad company to be keeping.

Yeah. So he's a legit talent. But I will defend him on the fact that if every owner was an anonymous mute, and most of them are, if every organization was kind of run by a spreadsheet, by guys and khakis that you never talk to and didn't feel they needed to communicate with the fans or the players. And that is probably the way sports are going eventually. We're never, you know, I think they, I don't really we're going to hear much from the guy that owns MLS, in the next 10 years

or however long he's going to own the place. You know, if everybody was like that, like sports wouldn't be what it is today. The NFL wouldn't be what it is today. Characters build the sport as much as they build character. They do. And he's the ultimate character.

They do. Yeah, I mean, the original in the NFL was probably Al Davis, and, you know, now he's kind of the modern-day Al-Davis. Like, he's a bigger than life owner, and, you know, he's, right at the forefront of everything. And I have an appreciation for that.

Like I get the shtick. I'm just saying there's, I don't think it's conducive to winning is the point. Probably isn't. Like it's just, it's not in the modern era where it's not just about, you know, shaken hands.

Like, it's not 1974 anymore. No, it's passed by to agree. There's no doubt about it. I mean, it passes everybody by eventually. But I mean, you know,

they have had some success. They haven't been the worst franchise. No, they have not. They're not. They're not, They're not at all. They've made the playoffs.

Like, he has built an empire there that... Most valuable franchise on earth. The envy of the league. So there's method to the madness, but there's a lot of madness. Yeah, and Parsons, you know, what I... I like the idea of him hitting the trade market again. I'm not anticipating that's ever going to happen because he has no power. He's under contract for another year.

He can hold out, but then he's not even holding out during his trade request by all accounts. He's still going to show up so he doesn't get fined. So if you're still showing up, just... avoid not being fine or avoid being fine, how serious are you when it comes to this trade requires? Makes you wonder. Yeah, I think it's pretty shaky

and I fully expect that he's a cowboy this year. But he'll be the highest paid defense player in the league, I bet. That's the thing though, is it going to get so ugly where he does hold out and doesn't play and they lose their first three games and there's no pass rush and their defense is getting melted down

and then all of a sudden he does what he did with Emmett 30 years ago where he's like just go get them and pay them because Smith was the original one. Yeah. Like they were coming off the Super Bowls, I believe, or at least one of them. And he held out the first few weeks. They started like 0 and 3 or 1 and 2, and he said, just Pam.

And that's what happens. You know, ultimately once you get into the season, August 1st is not a pressure point. Not for either side. It's not even close. But eventually we'll be on September 1st, and then it is. Then it's a pressure point. And then it's who's going to get

paid, who's actually going to play, and how's this going to work out? But if Parsons were to be dealt, man, there'd be a ton of teams calling on him. You know, a ton of teams calling on him. A guy who's 26 years old has the stats that he does, plays a position that can literally change your fortunes, like immediately put a good defense into great category

just by having his presence around. Who wouldn't want that? Yeah, you're talking like multiple first round picks, multiple seconds or thirds, you know, all that. It would just be a massive package. You just can't give that guy up. You would think so. Yeah, you would think you just can't.

There's no case for it. There's no case to be made about giving up a guy like this. Well, Khalil Mack was the one example where the Raiders traded him to the Bears. And Mack was a pretty significant player at that point. But then you look at the Bears, they paid all that price for him. And he played pretty well for them, but it didn't really work out. They didn't have enough around.

Yeah, they didn't have enough around him. And that's the ultimate, you know, question, is if Parsons hits the market and go somewhere. He can't go to Carolina. Like, yes, he'll still be a great player. But you do, using Reggie White as an example. When Reggie ended up in Green Bay, they won a Super Bowl a year or two

later. Like, if you're a piece away, if you're a past, I would use the current Packers. As an example, you put Parsons on the current Packers team. Look out. Scary. Scary how good they would be. All right. Edward on that, more coming up in just under an hour. We've got Ross Atkins in

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With strategic advice from Kelvin, you can not only protect your investments, you can grow them. Don't wait. Call 416-457 plan. Or visit ask kelvin.cai.a. All right. So following up on this Micah Parsons story, I guess his dad was on a podcast and was, you know, asked the hypothetical question,

if your son was ever traded, where would you want to see him go? And he listed the Steelers, the Lions, and the Chiefs as the three teams. All those would make sense. You know, the Steelers, they're already loaded, you know, in their front seven. The Lions are the one for me. like the Lions, they've got Hutchison coming back off that pretty gruesome injury, but he is a

he's a one-man show. But you throw Parsons into the mix. They got a really solid secondary that's healthy now. Like the Lions are that team that are like right there that feel great about their chances. You put a Micah Parsons on them and I think they'd be the kind of team that would

say here, we'll give you two, we'll give you three first round picks, you know, a third round pick. whatever. Again, it's all hypothetical. I don't think it's ever going to get there. Eventually, these two sides, you know, Jerry Jones and company and Parsons and his reps will probably come together and knock out a contract,

but still, we can dream, because that would be monster news in the NFL. Oh. Monster news and sports, period, if Parsons was on a move. You could create like a superhuman defense in Detroit. Yeah. Well, and the Chiefs, too. Chiefs?

I don't want to see him go to the Chiefs. with Jones and you got Chris Jones already got McDuffie in the secondary you had Micah Parsons I think that's Lions already have Hutchinson right I mean Steel is TJ why you put them on the other side

just looking at some of his dad's quotes and said Micah and Hutchison together in Detroit would be like cheating yeah it would be though like those two are monsters you got one on the interior one on the X the outside

just wreaking havoc on offensive lines scary but we'll see what Edward has to say about that and about 45 minutes. Ross Atkins in about 20 minutes. I guess Shane Bieber is up in Toronto. So he may give a tip of the cap tonight to the crowd. I think he's going to do a bullpen session in Toronto

and then sounds like he might make his next rehab start in Buffalo on Sunday, which is rare for a guy to be traded and then continue with his rehab in the minors. Right? So you have to leave whatever minor league town you were in. and now you're on your way to Buffalo. But I would guess for a guy like that, they're probably telling him find a spot in Toronto and you can drive down there

and we'll pick up a hotel for a night or two and then come back up. I don't think he's spending five, six, seven, eight days straight in Buffalo. No, it's like car service down to the park in Buffalo. We'll get you down there and back. Get your cleats on, go pitch, shower, car service back to Toronto. Yeah. That's what it is.

Which is pretty elite. Yeah. Now you need your passport. But beyond that. He's got that. he's got that of course he's probably got his boating license apparently because I don't know if he took his boat

but he was talking about boating to Toronto that would be sweet yeah that would be sweet all right so Ross Atkins on that more coming up now hockey Canada has announced that they are inviting 92 players in total the national team's orientation

camp that's the men's side the women's side and the Paralympic side but the men's side is interesting because you know obviously that's their GM Doug Armstrong that is putting this together in conjunction with the rest of his staff, but they're only inviting the three goalies that were

on the team for the four nations. Like no Logan Thompson. You know, I was a little bit surprised by that. Montembow, Aden Hill, and Bennington. Yeah. And I'm fully expecting Bennington if he's healthy, will be on the team. I would think one of Hill or Montembow likely are also there.

But I don't think all three guys are a lock to be on that team. It doesn't feel. How could they possibly be locks? I mean, none of them. or like Vesnik caliber goalies. Got to be an open competition. Why would you not invite Logan Thompson after the year he just had?

A really great year. I don't get that one. I really don't. That's a bit surprising. But what also sticks out is they've invited the younger guys. Macklin Celebrini's there and Connor Bedard is there. And Bedard, I think he, I don't think he's played himself into being

worthy of consideration for the Olympic team. But he still has the reputation and he certainly has the big. potential to be a big part of the program, you know, for the next decade, decade and a half. So I think out of respect to that, you invite them, you let them hang around Sid and McDavid and all that, presuming everyone's going to be there. I don't know if they're all going to accept the invitation. It's a little get-together, but I would think if you're on, if you're on the outskirts of the team or on the perimeter of the team, you're going

to be there. You're showing up. Yeah, you're showing up and you're doing whatever you have to do. Like Tom Wilson, he's going to be there. You know, guys like that are going to be there. Evan Bouchard, I would think, is going to be there. Attendance matters to these Hockey Canada things. It certainly does. Nick Suzuki better be there. That's apparently been an issue for Suzuki in the past. Like, he's declined their invitation to play at the worlds

and it's potentially something they've held against him. I don't blame him. I don't blame him but on. And look, for Bred, I think, look, he's a 20-year-old guy, right? What is he? 22 and 23 goals, the last two seasons, underwhelming, I would say. On a terrible hockey team.

But that's the thing. Horrible. I don't, I have a hard. time condemning a guy that is playing in a miserable situation, you know? And you could argue, should he lift that situation up? Should he be raising that team? You can't do it single-handling. And that team is just so rudderless, so clueless. And how, like, I don't know what they're putting around him, but it's not enough. And it doesn't seem like it's going to change anytime soon. And to the point about he's done a lot for hockey Canada. I mean, he's single-handedly,

he won a world junior form. Yeah. And he went to the world's when he was 18. He didn't play a ton. Now, he didn't go this past year, which I thought was potentially a misstep, but obviously it wasn't because they've still invited him to this orientation, which, again, does not guarantee anything. I don't think he's making the Olympic team. I'd be shocked. I think he's got to take massive steps this year. And even with that, he's likely a debt player.

And debt players, he's not a big enough guy, and he's not a seasoned enough guy. He won't be a winner, quote unquote, by then, to fit that mold. No. You know, they're not knocking Mark Stone out for Connor Bedard. There's no reason. Yeah, they're not knocking out, you know, whoever it is, Sorelli, who's won cups for Connor Bedard. No.

They're not going to do that. But I do think it's a really good opportunity for a kid like Bedard to really launch your season positively. You know, just springboard yourself into what has to be a platform year for him. Because at some point, invariably, it happens. with every player, you stop getting the, not excuse, but benefit of the doubt. The explanation doesn't start

with, yeah, but the team. Eventually it shifts. It happened with Eichol and Buffalo. Like it was, well, Buffalo, Buffalo, Buffalo. Then it became, is this guy as good as we think he is? Now, it turns out he was. He is pretty good. And he is. And he's been phenomenal in Vegas when he got to a much better situation. And again, that's why you know, that's why the Buffalo Sabres are exhibit A of why I don't hold

miserable situations against the guys that are in them. You know, like it does make you wonder, like you wonder, like, why are all these guys in this team and it just does nothing? Like, does that have to say something about the guys? Probably a little bit. Yeah. Maybe that they throw their hands up in the air

when things don't make sense and there's no leadership and you don't believe in the front office and you don't believe the front office has a clue how to get you out of the basement of the league, which is where you've been living your entire career there. I understand that. Like at a certain point, you're just like, there's no way this team's going to get better.

Why would I believe it? There's nothing I can do as a player to make it better. It doesn't matter what I do on the ice. We are going to be a terrible team. Yeah. And I understand. Like, at that point, if I'm a player advocate, I'm like, yeah, I kind of get, like, I kind of get it. Yeah, the human element kicks in at some point.

And if I'm kind of Bredart, I'm like, what, like, where is the reason to believe that Kyle Davidson and this front office has a clue how to make this team better. I don't see it in year three for him. I don't see Chicago. What have they done or acquired that would lead you to believe they're going to improve by 30 points or something? It doesn't seem like

No, I just, I don't think I don't think they're even close. I don't think personally. And now I will say this, San Jose was technically worse and Celebrini the year Celebrini had and the performances he put up consistently were better this year. This year,

than any of the first two years Badaar put up. So, again, I think there's a limit to what you can expect in terms of the ceiling. But you've got to hit the ceiling. I don't think Bidard has quite hit the ceiling. Now. You know, like he's got to be better. He's got to be more of a dominant force. But the thing is, he's not a big guy.

That's the thing. And if you don't have help, like creating some space for you, or you don't have help in terms of getting the puck on your stick when you do have that split second, because you know he's a pure goal score. He's got an unbelievable shot. and he's got a nose for it, you need help, and he has not had it. But again, neither is Celebrini,

but Celebrini plays a different style. They'll be a better athlete. Yes, and I think Celebrini, watching him play the few times I did this year, I was thoroughly impressed. He's dogged, man. He's strong, and he's on it. He's, like, he plays angles really well,

and he, like, the two times the Leafs played him, man, he was the best player on the ice when they played in Toronto. He was phenomenal that night. And I think he's got an outside. shot of making this team. I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say it's likely, but it's not zero percent, right? I think Card's closer to zero percent. Hey, man.

Celebrini keeps growing and has another really good year. It's, it's on the table at a minimum. All right, Ross Atkins coming up. Edward or into the next hour. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fandul. Fandul, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final

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