OverDrive - OverDrive - August 1, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Dave Feschuk for hour two OverDrive! The guys got more into Micah Parsons requesting a trade from the Cowboys. They were then joined by Blue Jays general manager Ross Atkins to discuss the team’s moves at the deadline. Longtime Cowboys writer Ed Werder then joined the show to discuss the bombshell out of Dallas today involving Parsons.

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What are we calling it? It's a demand. Through the notes app, which I always love. Great. Because you can picture the guy sitting there so angry and he's like, how do I write this thing? I'm writing this on the notes app and posting it it's out there it is

that's a good amount of words too Dave I mean long what do you say that is 500 600, 6, 700 words long trade demand okay because I like that's where I would suggest to him take the Michael Jordan

angle simple I'm back I'm back I want out I'm out send I'm out exactly I'm back this one's I'm out peace sign

I can't read all that I'm not reading that. Like, come on, we're busy here. Are you demanding? Are you requesting? What's going on here? I'm not reading a full notes app. This guy sounds like a fascinating character. 2025, what are we doing here?

Micah Parsons sounds like a fascinating character. Absolutely. Incredibly sophisticated dude, by all accounts. I could sort of see why, you know, when you read about Michael Parsons and you kind of hear him interviewed, and you could sort of see why Jerry would think you could negotiate face-to-face with Michael Parsons. because he sounds like an agent when he talks. He's sophisticated. He knows the market better than most agents probably know the market.

He knows what he's worth, better than most agents know what their clients are worth. Like this guy is paying attention to everything. Like a lot of players don't, right? A lot of players are like, I'm leaving it to my agent. I don't know what I'm, you know, he'll take care of it. This guy sounds like he's probably going to be an agent if, you know, if football doesn't work out, which, of course, it already has.

Which would beg the question, you know, how much is he responsible for this as well. You know, I can't, it's not 100% Jerry Jones. It does seem like I would put a lot of, a lot of the emphasis on Jerry Jones trying to get a fast one on a player, which. But I don't know. That might not be fair because I think.

Well, I mean, he's negotiated thousands of contracts. I would guess almost all of them have been through an agent. Oh, I think, no, I think there's a lot of, Ed would know better. Ed's covered Jerry longer than anybody. And we'll have to ask Ed, but I would not be. surprised if Jerry's had a lot of face-to-face with players where it ended up in a deal or pretty damn close. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, possibly. I guess what I'm saying is it's one thing to say, hey, do you want to be a cowboy? Yeah, I want to be a cowboy. Okay, then we're going to work out a deal. And actually being like $36 million a year, hey, agreed to $36 million a year. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's kind of the devil's in the details. It's the point I'm making.

We don't know what the conversation. You're jovial. Yes, you do like being a cowboy. We love having you. We want you to be a cowboy for life. Me too. okay then that means we're going to work this out is very different than

oh I'm making this guaranteed money I'm getting these fine print comments in the contract or whatever which is always generally speaking an agent and usually the purpose of the agent I'm sure the agent's pissed here because he's got a powerhouse agent same one that same guy that

I believe represents the Sean Watson I'm not sure he loves that association necessarily they only should because it's most guaranteed money in league history but I would I would guess a part of this is Parsons agent saying, why was I not included in this? Oh, yeah.

You know, and that's what can really set things off where he's trying to get on the phone with Jones and now Jones isn't going to answer it. And that's where Jerry knows where this is going. Eventually he's got to deal with the guy's agent. Like, and that's the whole point of the agent is to keep it, like, take the emotion out as much as you can. Your life, it's your career, it's your money, your team.

But the purpose of a third party to do this is so that you don't lead to situation. like this. I wouldn't be surprised of Jerry who's telling the guy, look, fire agents, save your commission, I'll make you and I'll give you this and, you know, we can just talk right now. That would be interesting. Now, again, that's where like this is the

PA step in at some point and say this is not how business works. The PA's in shambles right now. Yeah, it is. Maybe whoever's running the PA, maybe you can find a peeler joint down in Dallas and they can work something out. Because that seemingly was a high priority for the predecessor. You know, stuff

like that. Like, yeah, of course, the agent going to hit the roof when he finds out Jerry's been trying to talk. You agree to what or Jerry thinks you agreed to what? Yeah. No chance. So that's probably, you're right. That's probably at the root of this is that as soon as the agent found out that Parsons had actually been talking to the owner about the details of a contract,

that's not going to sit well. Especially a guy of that statter. Yeah. You're talking like one of the largest deals in the history of the NFL. One of the largest commissions. And a massive commission for the agent. He wants to make sure he's got his nose in there. He needs to know what's going on. All right, Jay's are back in action. They're back home, Kansas City and town. You got Gosman on the mound. You got Thai France playing tonight. Dalton Varsha's been activated. He's going to be in center field tonight. I think Shane Bieber's up in town, right? You got the new guys

around? Love it. A lot of positivity. Joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. Here's the GM of the Blue Jays, Ross Atkins. How are you doing, Ross? I'm doing great, Brian. Thanks for having me on, guys. Yeah, thanks for doing this. Yeah, and you said yesterday, you're fired up. So You're fired up because you checked off every box you were hoping to check off, or what? Yeah, well, I mean, mostly because of how the team has played and they put us into a position where we're, you know, acquiring at the deadline, we're able to accomplish some goals and very much so looking forward to the months ahead. So I'm curious when you have, you know, a checklist, so to speak, I don't even know if that's actually what you use. It's like, do you have a whiteboard where you're like, ideally, we got a starter, a couple of bullpen arms,

maybe some catching depth, maybe a right-handed bat, and how much of it is based on, you know, what the prices are out there? In other words, would you have been comfortable adding more if you felt the prices were appropriate, or did you actually get right to your limit in terms of how much turnover you wanted to actually see with your team? Yeah, I mean, it depends on how you define more.

there was there was other ways to you know think about on the margins are there small things that we can continue to do that we were certainly considering until the last second and you know there was other other deals that we were in where you know prices were different and some were steeper so you just we were in a position where we were able to accomplish our goals and fired up about that and yes but to your first question the price matters. You know, you're doing bad deals. That's going to sting at one point. No doubt about it, Ross. And obviously the price matters and the risk tolerance also matters when it comes to making a deal for a guy who's in the midst of a rehab assignment like Shane Bieber. I mean,

take us through like the level of due diligence you had to do to be comfortable that trading for Shane Bieber would be the risk reward that you wanted it to be. Yeah, it's a, it's a fair question, Dave, a good one. And, you know, it starts with us having first-hand knowledge of the player, having a couple of our staff members that have worked with him in the past, and then all of our work that we've done to continue to learn about Shane and how he's improved as a professional and how he's gone through this rehab process. Obviously, there was the medical evaluation that was paramount for this decision. But I think the biggest piece that, you know, gave us enough comfort, obviously, to make the decision was his last rehab

outing, just seeing how effective he was, the stuff was back to as effective as it's ever been. And in today's game, that's not just our eye telling us that, and hitter swings telling us that. We have that down to the data point, you know, and that, I know it was not the sexiest thing to talk about, but we have very, very good information and telling us how effective he currently is. So what is the best case scenario for Shane Bieber as a Blue Jay? Well, he's pitching in a World Series for us and starting a game or two and effective throughout those.

So it's important to have options. It's important to have guys who have shown that they can handle that level of pressure. before and then we just added another one of them to the mix for us so we're going to need to have some depth in

different areas we were able to acquire it in this particular one and high end starting pitching and obviously there's still a few steps for him to make but it was a really good fit for us given the way we're currently constructed he has a player option next year where does the future of

Shane Bieber and the Blue Jays you know currently stand beyond this year yeah i mean like if he came to us today and said hey i'm just going to pick that up you know we're probably having a real discussion you know it's just so exciting to think about him in this organization moving forward so we're open we're you know we are obviously extremely interested or we wouldn't have given up such a significant piece but for now we're just focused on the impact this year when you look at uh alan rodin is an interesting guy you uh you moved out at the dead line, Ross, you know, thinking back to the opening day, he was a big story out of spring

training and the promise that was within that young man, now he's no longer with you. Take us through sort of, you know, the ups and downs of that career and why you ended up, you know, kind of parting ways. Yeah, I mean, that one was a very difficult decision. He's going to be an effective major league player. I have very little doubt. He's going to help them in the short term and in the long term. and I'm going to be pulling for them.

But that's the price to pay and the price to play. And to acquire someone that can impact us as much as Louis Varland today, we weren't going to get them without Allen Rodin involved. That was 100% clear. And that is just part of it where you have to make difficult decisions. And Varland and Dominguez are your two bullpen arms. We've spoken of Beaver, but let's talk about these two guys and what they bring to the table for you.

how much do you believe you've improved your bullpen with the acquisition of these two guys? Yeah, I mean, a lot. So to put two guys in that you feel you could pitch in virtually any inning and, you know, most importantly that you would feel very good about them in the seventh, eighth, or ninth against left-handed or right-handed hitters and especially against right-handed hitters for both of those guys. They dominate them, but we're comfortable with those guys facing off.

Obviously, we just saw Sir Anthony do it in a very, very left-handed hitting team in Baltimore. So adding those guys to the group that we have already, and Brendan Little, and obviously, Jeff Hoffman, Jariol Rodriguez, hopefully we get Jimmy Garcia back and how effective some of our younger guys in Fisher and Flew Hardy have been. That's a really strong bullpen. And it's also has some versatility and, you know, some differences to it that allow us to attack different lineups in different ways. We've talked, you know, a lot about Jeff Hoffman on our show this year. And I think it's safe to say he's had some ups and downs. His stats, you know, don't jump off the page.

He's been hit pretty hard. He's given up a fair amount of home runs. how concerned are you with, you know, his play or his, you know, the way he currently stands? And are you a believer that that'll clean itself up as we get down the stretch here? Yes, obviously we are, you know, we believe that he is going to be very effective down the stretch. And are we concerned, no. The, you know, all day long, one of the best, you know, I guess clubhouse statements I've, I've ever heard from a manager, at least in the baseball world.

And the baseball clubhouses is not a place for as much as it is in maybe football and hockey and he made even the NBA for just the rah-rah and fire guys up types of speeches. But one of the best statements I've ever heard was from Terry Francona talking to his team about things that he never wanted to see. And one of them was, I never want to see it back down. And that's what we feel like we've established is a lot of guys that aren't going to do that. We throw the ball over the plate. Early on, we did give up some home runs.

We do think that is going to, that number has already come down significantly. But we've got some guys coming after you. And the result of that sometimes is home runs. But the stuff is real on all of them and just is as good as anyone's against right-handed and left-handed pitching. So we would never want him to back down. and we feel like he's the type of athlete and pitcher that can make adjustments and we'll do. Ross Hayes and I were just talking about the sort of the unexpectedness of the performance of this team when it comes to sort of the depth of contributions you've had from guys that maybe some of us didn't see coming.

I'm sure you certainly saw it much differently, but if I were to have said to you on opening day that you'd be leading the American League on August 1st and leading off would be Nathan Lucas and hitting second would be Joey Loporffito, what would you have said? Not likely. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, listen, like, we obviously have believed in this team. I think I've said that a few times. Yep.

Yes, you have. Yes, you have. But it takes depth, and it takes time for that depth to show. And then we had the opportunity to acquire some players, last year and the time for guys like Addison Barger to develop and opportunity for guys like Loper Fido and now Nathan Lucas to just show what they can do. So, you know, we did feel very good about our 40-man roster coming into the year, but, you know, that was not a plan that we were going to have those two guys in the one and two whole.

And it's going to work for now. They probably won't be there for the rest of the year. but maybe one of them will be but I am fired up for the success that obviously the team and organization for this city but I am fired up for the individuals as well. I'm really happy for them. Yeah, and they're, I mean

it's, Lucas's been really good. Luke Profito's been very good recently. You got Barger hit in fifth playing third tonight. You got Ernie Clement playing second hit and 8th, I believe, in the lineup this evening. And I'm curious how, you know, we always talk about projections and had a pretty good feeling

of how your veterans are going to handle August and September you know chasing a pennant chasing the American League East how do you how do you get a read on how Nathan Lucas or Addison Barger or Ernie Clement are going to possibly handle this like the domes packed every single

night the city's buzzing these guys are you know they're big time celebrities now in Toronto because of how well they're playing and how everything is so positive at this point how do you project you know how a young guy could handle this because it's a very a different spotlight.

Yeah, I agree. And I think having Varsho back in the mix, Jimenez, relatively soon back in the mix, hopefully Anthony Santander back in the mix, complimenting with Thai France. And, you know, just not having George and Alejandro Kirk, we've seen that hit. So missing Varsho, Jimenez, Santander, George Springer, and Alejandro Kirk is why we have the one and two hole you're talking about. Right. And those guys are all coming back as the plan.

So that will take a lot of pressure off the names you mentioned. But we're not going to the World Series and winning it if they can't handle it. So we believe they will and believe they can. Well, you might not be going to the World Series and winning it if you don't get past a certain evil empire from down in the Bronx, Ross. And, you know, as much as people are excited and you're fired up and your fans are fired up, but all the moves you made to improve the team, uh the folks down in new york city are fired up with the yankees going maybe even bigger you could argue

in terms of bolstering their bullpen and their defense on the left side what did you make of the way the yankees were so aggressive at the deadline yeah i mean i think they had more glaring holes than we did uh we those were clear opportunities to make uh significant ads for them and ours was just much more clear in our bullpen so we you know i i don't want to talk about their acquisitions or compare them necessarily, but Louis Varlane and Sir Anthony Dominguez are high-impact late-inning relievers that can chase anybody and get swing and miss and aren't going to back down that we are very glad to have.

With Ross Atkins, and I think that description obviously fits Max Schurzer probably better than anyone we've seen in baseball the last 15 or 20 years, and Scherz will be back in amount tomorrow night. How much confidence do you have in his health? How confident can you ultimately be? And I asked you earlier, like, what's the best case scenario for Shane Bieber?

I guess I'll apply that to Max Scherzer. What do you see over the next two, maybe three months? Yeah, I mean, a similar answer, and I agree. You know, that that competitiveness and tenacity that you can see and feel

through the television screen, is as real as I've ever seen, and it does impact our clubhouse and others in a real way. And that was part of the plan and part of the acquisition that we were, you know, hoping would have such an impact. So I think, you know, my confidence in his return to forum has just continued to elevate because of, one, the effectiveness, the life on his pitches, the swing and miss, punching out 10 guys.

I don't care who you are or what the name is on the back of your jersey or who you're facing, that's a real good sign that he's getting that much swing and miss. And so I think as he gets back in, you know, each start seemingly has just gotten better and better. So I'm extremely confident he is. And then I think secondarily the way that he's talking about his confidence in himself and what he's thinking about and how he's talking about what's ahead gives us a great deal of confidence that he's going to be a big part of our success. What's the level of confidence, Ross, that your big off-season acquisition on the offensive side of the ball, Anthony Santander, will actually be able to contribute, be healthy enough to contribute this season, and at one point does it become a matter of maybe moving on to hoping for a healthy next season? Yeah, I mean, well, that will be, that will be just a day of the time.

I don't, you know, we're right now just planning for him to impact us at some point, whether that's, you know, later this month or mid-September or just for the playoffs, all of that would be a positive because of his experiences and just the real threat to put the ball on the seats and they have really good at bat. So we'll just take it really kind of a week at a time. And right now, we're just optimistic and hopeful that he will make an impact. With Ross Atkins, GM of the J's Jays Royals tonight down at the Rogers Center,

Bob Bouchette's had a great, great season. And, you know, his numbers have been off the charts. He's hit cleanup again tonight, obviously ever since he moved. And the leadoff role to the cleanup position, he's just been a rocket for you. And now that you're past the trade deadline, you know the contracts are coming, and you know that the offseason is when a lot of business takes place. And I'm curious, you can give us an update on where things stand, you know, between the team, Bichette and his future as a Blue Jay.

you want me to give all the dialogue yes everything you've got everything you have verbatim please yeah I mean it's not something we can ever really I know it's so disappointing for fans I wish I could

it just decreases the likelihood of getting something done and him being here for some time the desires there he loves it he loves the momentum of the organization and man I you know talked about this with a lot of my friends just watching him get celebrated right now at the level that he is is so fulfilling

for me and right now we're all focused on how are we going to win today and what is best for this team and organization and so unearthing that would be um you know me talking about that would be somewhat of a distraction you're not going to go jerry jones on us today ross no i'm not going to go to the Rick Bushland level. Yes. There you go. We appreciate that. Although I would love you to do that at some point. Who came up with that? The Rick Bushwood

of concern. That is so good. Yeah, it's a good one. I don't I mean, the audio, JP, you can drop it if you want. I mean, we... Six Bush Light, six Bud Light, and I love him, tall boys. That's our boy. He lives in Hamilton. He's actually, like, he's probably a massive Blue Jay fan, Ross. He's probably watching

right now and wondering what's going to happen with Bichette in the future, and now he's like, why are you guys talking about me as opposed to Bo. But, yeah, listen, Bo's been you know, he's been great and obviously we're always going to discuss your superstar players and Vladdy, you know, he's got his

contract done, he's got his money, he's been very healthy and he's performing and how much more do you think is there for Vladie in terms of performance and stats in particular and how much is needed for this team to ultimately reach its potential.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think he's doing it. I think if he just keeps doing what he's doing, then, you know, I think there's probably some focus on the home runs, and those will come. It's just, it's such a talk about cliche, you know, but you can't try to hit him, you know, and he, he doesn't need to. He is one of the best hitters in the game as it stands right now, and if he just continues to be himself, like, you know, he gets pitched around a little bit, he's taking his walks, the quality of his contact is elite, And he is a massive, massive threat in the middle of our lineup. As long as he continues to do that, we'll be fine.

Yeah, and he loves to play ball, man. We've talked about it. Like Dave and I, Ross, you've been on the show a lot over the years, and I've always admired that. I mean, you would expect it. You're supposed to want to perform and play, but you've got to drag him off the field. And I would think that's contagious.

He's always on the top step. He seems to be in on every single pitch. You know, that's, there's a lot of value in that. It is. I, you know, it's like the, the, what comes first, the confidence of the success is the conversation that no one will ever figure out and no one will ever have the answer to, but the, that playing with joy comes from, in my opinion, not just loving the game, but the game not being so stressful. And how do you create that? I'm not sure, but Vladie definitely has it, and it is a massive impact on us. We'll get you out of here with an update on George in Alejandro Kirk.

So they're both currently on the aisle. You put George on the retroactive seven-day concussion IL. Everything all good with those two? Do you believe by hopefully the end of the weekend, you got better answers? If not by next week, they're both playing. Where do things stand on their status, Kirk, and Springer? Yeah, I'm so grateful for that protocol because of just the risk around it, that it's taking it out of the player's hands.

And we are going to be safe there, but we are extremely optimistic. Alejandro is feeling great. George is feeling, you know, maybe just a touch behind, but 100% in his words. So, but because they demonstrated some level of concerning symptoms, we're always going to err on the side of making sure that the human being is first. So, but we're extremely encouraged by how they're feeling to, day and we'll see them soon is what today's information is telling us back on the playing field perfect and then beavers on the mount on on sundays that the plan down in buffalo is that the hope

yeah that is the that is the plan he's probably already thrown a bullpen today and we'll be excited to hear about that so he's really good to have him in our clubhouse is that a car service move we were discussing that earlier he's he's not staying in buffalo is it straight down the q e w and right back or what happens on sunday yeah he'll hang out with us Yeah, that's the veteran move. Absolutely. All right, Jay's Royals tonight. Good luck this weekend, and we always appreciate you finding time for us.

Thank you, Ross. Hi, Brian, and Dave. Thanks for having me off. You got it. There he is, Ross Atkins, GM of the Jays. Yeah, he'll hang out with us. I like that. Listen, if you're 30, you've won a Sight Young, you've been in the league for a long time.

You're going down. You're going to pitch. You're going to be very cordial. Should you be a great guy. How are you? Tip the staff. See everybody. A lot of people down in Buffalo.

that he's coming down and get to see him pitch but he'll finish off, do some media, jump in the shower, jump in his car and he'll be back in Toronto about 90 minutes post game. He may not even wait for the rest of the game. No, he'll be like five innings and it'll be a, see you later everybody. He'll be squealing out of the parking lot

big game. There's no doubt about it. I love those plays. Yeah, but you know what though? Like the guy has, he's been playing in Cleveland for a long time. Like Buffalo is probably a step up. That's a really good question. Like I, as someone who's, I'm not that familiar with Cleveland. Like I know the reputation of Cleveland.

Been there many times. And I've heard through the grapevine. It's not necessarily a bucket list item. It's a nice person. It's a nice. It's a nice. The ballpark's nice. A little older now and hasn't been red-oed like the dome. The downtown's okay. There's some pretty cool spots. But you know what? If you want to just talk about sort of going to a place and having good food, like Buffalo is hard to beat. Like in terms of, A, chicken wings. If you're a chicken wing. Cannot beat it, man. Cannot be beat. Beef on whack. They run a pizza down there, too. That can be very elite.

Great pizza. Very elite. In my estimation, Apps. In my estimation, Buffalo is a much better food town at Cleveland. Buffalo is, it's one of the great food towns ever because they have the wings. Yeah. Like when you own a delicacy like that, and that's precisely what it is.

And you pop your chest out. And the thing about Buffalo wings, Hayes, you can go all over the world and get Buffalo wings. Yeah. Quote on quote, they're not Buffalo wings. Well, and they, like, you talk about, look, we were talking earlier about certain teams, looking down on others. You go into Buffalo and you request something that is abnormal based on how they operate with their wing system. They will look down on it quickly. Like I was down there a few years ago and I requested some, some dipping.

It was like a dill sauce. And the woman looked at me and said, you're in Buffalo. Like she literally looked at me and said, no, we don't have that. This is Buffalo. cheese. That was it. That's all it was. All you get. I was like, do you have any dills? She's like, you're a, this is Buffalo. No dill. Yeah. Blue cheese.

Blue cheese. Period. That's it. End of story. And I felt like such an idiot, but I'm like, I thought that was a reasonable request. My bad. Not in Buffalo. They're purists. They were, they're purists. And they will look down on you. And they will make you feel scummy and feel basically discussed.

They invented the dish. Yeah, they did. They own it, man. It's their dish. So there you go. Shane Bieber. here in Toronto. I think a tip of the cap tonight could be in order. We'll see. Ed Werner coming up on Micah Parsons and what happens with the Cowboys moving forward. More on the Jays, more on baseball as we move

past the trade deadline. And Dear Hasey, be a little bit later this afternoon. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. From tariffs to trade deals, the markets are changing. Is your portfolio ready for what comes next? For all your questions, you need a money guy. Calvin, the money guy, will help you develop

a financial plan that includes the right levels of diversity. The best way to navigate uncertain times. With strategic advice from Kelvin, you can not only protect your investments, you can grow them. Don't wait. Call 416-457 plan or visit ask kelvin.cai.a. All right, thanks again to Ross Atkins, Jay's Royals tonight. And we'll catch up with Trevor May a little bit later this afternoon. We'll get to our best bets. I hit the over last night. I felt good about that. I noticed that. I hammered the over in the Hall of Fame game. Felt very good about that. Good start to the season. Trey Lance came through for you. Two T-Ds. Love it. Love it.

Chargers look good. The Lions, big step back. Big step back. Is Tray Lance still a bust? I don't know. That is a great question. Pretty good. That is a great question. All right. Cowboys Insider for WFAA. We've had him on the station a million times on with the morning guys all the time. It's great of him to take some time to join us this afternoon. Here's Ed Werder. How you doing, Ed? I'm doing well, guys. How are you? We're doing well. So, Michael Parsons, are you buying this that now he wants out of Dallas with this trade demand request, whatever it is posted online? I think he's demonstrating his frustration.

I think he's mostly posturing, and he's sending the message to Jerry Jones that this is going to be a different negotiation than that he had recently with Dak Prescott and C.D. Lamb in which he was never subjected to any public ridicule by those players as their deals were being negotiated. You know, Micah Parsons has his own podcast. He's quite accomplished. He has a lot of opinions. He interacts well with the media. And so he's going to give his point of view. And I just think it's, I think it's frustrating to Cowboys fans and probably even Cowboys players, because we've seen now in mass align with him publicly on social media, that the Cowboys have mismanaged this negotiation with Micah Parsons to the point

that he's transitioned from being a player who stood in the locker room in December, and I was there, you know, saying he didn't need to be the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL. He didn't need to make $40 million a year. He wanted good play. He wanted to sign early. He wanted good players kept around him. To the point. where he's posting today that his frustration hasn't been informing the Cowboys that he no longer wants to play here. He prefers to spend his career elsewhere. Ed, you've been covering the Cowboys and Jerry Jones an awfully long time. I mean, the reporting that's come out from Diana Rusini is that one of the points of contention

in this is that Jerry Jones was essentially negotiating face-to-face with Micah Parsons instead of Micah Parsons' agents, and there seems to be a misunderstanding on that front about the value of that negotiation from Jerry's perspective and of course I'm sure Michael Parsons' agent's perspective and what do you make of that whole scenario of Jerry going face to face with a player?

It's something that Jerry Jones has frequently done with his best players as the owner and general manager of the Dallas Cowboys one of the few people in the entire NFL who has those dual positions. Jerry feels like

it's valuable to the organization have the advantage of the general manager being able to meet face to face of the player, negotiate with the player, they don't need the agent. Jerry's not naive enough after 30 years of this to think that David Muggetta, one of the most prominent agents in the entire NFL. I mean, he got the record guaranteed contract for Deshaun Watson when Deshaun Watson had no real leverage. He's made several players, including Jalen Ramsey, the highest paid players that their positions this offseason. There's no way the Cowboys were going to negotiate a deal like this without David Moologetta and the NFLPA being at all involved. And Jerry can't be

naive enough to think that that was ever going to happen. And yet it does seem, because he said after the opening press conference that he felt he had a deal negotiated with Micah on all of the key points. And Micah said in his statement today that their discussion in March was about leadership and how Micah was going to be expected to provide that if he was paid as one of the highest paid players in all football. And that's a reasonable expectation. But then he says, you know, he talked about terms that he'd be seeking and so forth and that Jerry then took that to me, that was the deal and they had a deal and the agent didn't need to be involved. And therefore, Jerry and Stephen Jones

if so far never contacted David Moologetta in this negotiation which is apparently true that Stephen said as much last week but that's just preposterous for the cowboys to think that they can avoid having the agent directly involved. Well that's

of any magnitude much less this one. Yeah exactly and that's where like Jerry Jones is a showman all that. He owns the team I guess you know you can do whatever he wants but at what point does it like stretch into embarrassment like where it's like

how does this possibly look good or feel good how do the other players look at this like is the perception that Jones is trying to take advantage of Parsons and if so how's that possibly going to be a positive for the Cowboys moving forward? Well we've heard

you know Dak Prescott who's badly beaten the Cowboys in all of his contract negotiations and we've heard from CD Lamb who became the second highest paid wide receiver in football about this time last year, both talk about how detrimental this is to playing your best at the beginning of the season. And we've seen, like I said, the players aligning with Micah Parsons, and, you know, Jerry

wanted him to show leadership, and that's what he's doing right now. I don't think Jerry intended for it to be demonstrated in this particular way and to his detriment. But, you know, you got a first-year head coach and Brian Schottenheimer, a first time head coach, who is doing two jobs as he's calling the office of plays for the first time for Dak Prescott. He's a head coach for the first time in the NFL. He's trying to create a culture, trying to demonstrate leadership. And Jerry is, you know, creating all of this distraction. Micah Parsons is not practicing. Micah Parsons should be taking reps in this new defense. They have their third defensive coordinator in three years. They got a bunch of new, you know,

edge players and defensive tackles that he needs to integrate with and coordinate with if they're going to be at their best in 34 days against the Philadelphia Eagles, the defending Super Bowl champions who play in your division, and he's not on the field, and he's not taking reps and helping those young offensive linemen get better. It's just not the way you need to go about things when it's clear, you know, his market value has been clearly established here. There's really not a question. And there have been, you know, recent deals done with pass runners, including, you know, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, T.J. Watt.

It's all right there. They know what they're going to have to pay. They know he's going to become the highest paid non-quarterback in football. So it's just a matter of when. And I will say one thing Jerry likes to do is Jerry likes to create these sorts of situations where he can easily become the center of media attention. And that's what he's done. He's now a central figure in the Cowboys getting ready. for the start of the season because it's up to him

when they're going to do this deal with Michael Parsons. So you've seen so many of these things play out, Ed. I mean, how does this end in your sort of, if you're prognosticating? Does Parsons have to miss games in the regular season before Jerry bends the knee and realizes, yeah, better pay him or can this blow over before that and everybody live happily after? Well, the only time I can recall a player in a contract

hold out or negotiation, reaching the point where they were willing to miss games was when the Cowboys were the defending Super Bowl champions in 1993, and Emmett Smith missed two games to start the season. And the Cowboys couldn't score. They lost both games. Jerry surrendered and gave it into Emmett, signed him, and then the Cowboys became the first team in NFL history to start 0 and 2 and win the Super Bowl. in this case we heard Michael Parsons say early in camp that he couldn't see him

he couldn't envision himself holding out and missing practices because he loves the game too much and as much as he might want to walk out of camp right now it would cost him $50,000 a day to do that and so he's not he doesn't have that recourse it's not a viable alternative for him but if you can't engage in missing practices and missing camp, how can you miss game checks and miss regular season games? So I don't think that's a practical conclusion for either side, really. Jerry's experience and that was bad, and Micah Parsons, to me, loves the game and wants to play

and wants those paychecks badly enough that he'll be there week one against the Eagles. With Edward or Cowboys Insider, And you referenced the other benchmarks that have already been established, like Garrett getting paid, T.J. Watt getting paid. Do you believe Parsons will eventually get more than that? Do you think he will, in fact, demand it, and Jerry Jones will, in fact, give it to him? I think Jerry has now given Michael Parsons and David Mulligeta,

that powerful agent I mentioned early in our conversation, every reason to get every dollar that they can get out of the Cowboys organization. in the Cowboys front office. I mean, I can't remember, you know, I mean, we never saw C.D. Lamb or D. Prescott, even Ezekiel Elliott, when he didn't report to camp, we didn't never saw those guys demand to trade or request to trade, as we've seen with Parsons, who, again, I think he's posturing, he's playing the game that Jerry's forced him to play. And we've seen these deals go into the first week of the regular season.

I mean, remember, they signed Dak Prescott on game day of week one, last year. I've joked that Jerry had waited any longer. He would have had to have Mike McCarthy call a timeout on their opening possession, have DAC come to the sideline and sign his contract and go back out and resume his responsibilities as the quarterback. And Ezekiel Ellie didn't sign until 72 hours before they opened against the Giants four years ago. So it could take a while, but I just think that ultimately they need Micah Parsons too much. Jerry's invested in the gamble he's taken with the first time head coach and Brian Schottenheimer

too much to jeopardize a season early on because he didn't get a player sign who was willing to sign up a below market value contract at one point. Ed, you know, when you're hanging around this team long enough and you've been around this team longer than anybody,

is there speculation of what Jerry's end game is? An 82-year-old man who's built the biggest and most valuable empire in pro sports on this side. out of the Atlantic, maybe in the world. How long is he going to keep doing this?

Until he's dead. You think so? Yeah, only God's going to take this job away from Jerry Jones. And, I mean, he said as much that when he bought this franchise, he bought it, not as an investment. He bought it as an occupation. He told us that at the end of last season, after he's been doing this since 1989. And he wants to be the general manager.

he thinks he deserves to be the general manager based on performance, even though I can't imagine there's another team in the entire NFL that would even interview him to be a general manager based on the fact that they've gone longer than any team in the NFC to reach a Super Bowl or a conference championship game. You know, this is 30 years. And, you know, those, though everybody knows that it was Jimmy Johnson who built those teams that won Super Bowls, you know, three times in four years early in Jerry Jones's

ownership tenure. and Jerry's been trying to prove that it was him all along ever since, to his own detriment. So there's no question to me that Jerry's never going to give this job up willingly. So we'll get you out of here with, I guess, a prediction or projection on the season. Let's say Parsons, like you said, he's playing week one against the Eagles. Do you think the Cowboys are a playoff team this year? Well, I mean, I think there are a lot. I don't know if they can run the ball, but I know if you want to run the ball, but I know if you want to run

the ball. Mike McCarthy's not your guy, and Brian Schottenheimer probably is more that type of guy. Do they have the offensive line in the backs to do that? I'm really not sure. They were a really bad team on defense last year. They're coming off a seven-win season. They're starting the year third in their division. I mean, Washington and Philadelphia went to the NFC championship game last year. The Cowboys have four total games against those teams, and they're They have to play the NFC North and the AFC West, the two divisions that each advanced three teams to the playoffs last year. So schedule-wise, they're definitely up against it.

But if Dak Prescott's healthy, I think five of the six years of Dak Prescott started more than half the games and been healthy at the end of the season, they've made the playoffs. So I think if Dak Prescott stays healthy, the Cowboys have a chance to make the playoffs. All right. We'll leave it there. Really appreciate you doing this. soon. Thank you. Sounds great

anytime. Good to talk to you guys. Thank you. There is. Edward of WFAA, Cowboys Insider, down in Dallas. There is always turnover in that division. Whoever wins it one year, they do not win it the next. Yeah. Yet, the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and they clearly on paper are the best team.

The commander's got problems of their own. They got a hold end of their own. Terry McLaren once out. And Terry McLaren said, I guess I got a demand of trade. He's not going anywhere either. And they need him. They they need him. Like they need some weapons. I think he understands

he's in a position of leverage to get paid at some point. You got a young quarterback who had the season he had last year. You got to put Daniels in a position to succeed this year. And McCloren's their clear cut number one wide out.

Oh, yeah. But I think the Giants will be better this year. I'll believe it when I see it that they actually do anything. I doubt they'll be better. I mean, better than three wins? Yeah.

Exactly. Like, is it six wins or seven wins? Is that defense better? Does Dave will save his job? I don't know. but the Cowboys are a wild card there for sure and he's right about Prescott if he's healthy

he can play yeah he can get you a lot of way he's not going to win an MVP I don't believe I don't think he'll be ever in contention for that but can he creep into top 10 status when he's playing at his best yes he can for sure so that gives you an opportunity to win in modern football

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