OverDrive - OverDrive - August 10, 2026 - Hour 1 - Luke Willson

Episode Date: August 10, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes and Dave Feschuk for Hour 1 on OverDrive! They discuss the Blue Jays' postseason push and the opportunity to make the playoffs, the Red Sox' matchup, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. starting to heat up and Highmark Stadium's impressions. TSN NFL Analyst Luke Willson joins to discuss Josh Allen's role for the Bills, the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the 2027 inductees. 

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Toronto Star. What's happening, Dave? Had a great weekend. Did you? Very relaxing. That a boy. Got in water a little bit in the lake, little lake swimming. You're a lake guy. Yeah. Yeah. You know where I stand on that. Natural bodies of water.

I don't do those things. Fear of the unknown? Fear of the unknown. Just not my style. I like a temperature I can predict and possibly manipulate, right? Like you're a pool owner, you're like, hey, you want 85? we're doing that. So you go look at the thermometer before you jump in? Yeah, I might.

I'll dip the toe in just to make sure everything's, you know, where I want it to be. Right. I don't think that's, A, inappropriate. B, high maintenance, or C, anything but a modern mentality. Like, we're living in a... You don't think people a thousand years ago would love a pool that they could control? Like, think about it, Dave. Imagine that.

You're jumping in lakes and oceans and ponds and creeks. Get with the times. Yeah. Get with the times, man. I enjoy jumping into anything. Like, I'm one of those guys. Like, I went up to the North Sea one time. Like, I jumped into the ocean just outside St. Andrews there, which is just freezing.

Really? Yeah. That's like a cold. Just as like a thing to do for fun. Okay. But not like a plunge thing, not like I'm going to wash away all the toxins and all that. I was young and stupid. We were there with a bunch of friends, and we all said, why don't we just jump in the ocean?

I used to do that. I'm not young and stupid anymore. I'm old and stupid. Now I'm old and stupid. Exactly. But I know what I like and what I don't like, and that's how I operate. But there's something about, look, I get where you're coming from. I'm always a little bit, you know, very cautious.

I've seen, I know people that have, you know, taken a dive into an unknown body of water and come out much worse for wear and very tragic kind of things that have happened to them. Because going head first than anything is very dangerous. Going feet first can be dangerous. It can be. And so I'm cautious. I'm much more, I'm not a daredevil.

I don't do the cliff jumping. I saw some kids up in Georgian Bay this weekend jumping off cliffs 30, 40 feet. And I'm like, that's insane. Well, you know what's crazy about that stuff? Because I used to do that as a kid, but it would always be like word of mouth. You know, hey, someone told me if you go over here and jump, it's awesome. And you just do it. Yeah.

You know, and you'd just assume, like, no one fed you any misinformation. Hopefully. Hopefully. Hopefully, exactly. Like, I remember doing that. Like, yeah, if you go down there, there's a little cliff, you'll jump right in, it's totally awesome. Deep enough, no rocks. No problems at all. You won't die. No, and then you do it. And now you think back, you're like, maybe I should have tested that out. Yes. Why did I trust that guy at the gas station who told me that's the place to go? Well, you got to, like, that's, you got to live a little. You're putting your faith in, like, the time honored traditions of a local area. That's right. And I still support that. I'm not saying I'm against any of this. But I was saying me personally. I'm not doing it. And I get where you're coming from, but I will say, like, and I like a heated pool. Don't get me wrong.

It's nice to jump into a heated pool. But there's a certain refreshment that comes with a nice, clean lake. Okay. Like it just... You do look like a new man today. If you've been a little sweaty, especially if it's a hot day. I hear you. And you've been getting a lather on playing some botchy or whatever the hell you're doing on the land.

You know, if you jump in that water, like it's, if it was 85, I'm not sure there's the same refreshment as a nice kind of middle of the road lake. That's valid. I hear you. Listen, it'll happen from time to time. Like, my kids will drag me in. I'm going in. Okay.

I'm just saying, if you give me a choice, I'm probably not doing it. And it's not something I'm, like, dying to do. But when you were in there, was it a sense of, like, a cleansing where now you came out? You're like, I'm a believer. The Blue Jays are chasing that third wildcard spot. Did you see the light? I was there with some Blue Jays fans who very much wanted to believe. But no, I did not.

You didn't see the light. It was not some sort of baptism of, optimism. No, I did not come out feeling as though it's a new season, even though they look pretty damn good against the Phillies. They absolutely did. And they have recently. Like, they've won a lot of series. I guess they're counting that Chicago game as a series. Okay. And that game is crushing.

Like, that's one you're going to circle and say, I remember that. They had it. Barlin's been perfect. and somehow that game got away from them and they made some brilliant defensive plays including Nathan Lucas in Wright Field at Wrigley and down in Philly yesterday which this guy looks like basically

each row in right field with his arm right now and at the plate he was phenomenal this weekend he's been great recently but this is what I appreciate about baseball that you know not to get look at that canon just brilliant man

just carbon copy of what he did at Wrigley basically to save the game. I mean, it was just an unbelievable play by Nathan Lucas, and they wasted both of those by losing the game, an extra innings. But the beauty of baseball, there's two things. One pertains to the salary cap and the fact that it doesn't exist. And I understand, you know, you look at the Dodgers

and, you know, I was listening to, I think it was ESPN radio last night, it was coming back for my own softball game. We actually won an extra innings. Wow. That wasn't extra innings, but it was the last inning. we put a pretty quality performance. Did you walk it off? We actually did walk it off, which was great.

It was under the lights, 1130. Everyone wanted to go home. It was awesome. But I was listening on the way home, and there was a guy making a case, like the only hope you have for the Dodgers losing is the baseball gods. You know, it's like they didn't need Scoob,

but they got them. And they didn't need Tucker, but they got them, basically in spite of someone else getting them. It was like they needed them. They're like, oh, we're just going to take them. Right. And that's kind of what you're banking on.

So it's not as if baseball, is perfect and the economics of it all. And if you're a believer in equity and, you know, everyone getting a chance. Parity. Charity and all that kind of stuff. Maybe as of today you don't feel great about that because of the Dodgers in particular. But I like that I don't have to crunch numbers all the time. I hate that about hard salary caps in particular.

The NHL clearly the worst. Clearly the worst. Like a guy makes an extra 500 grand. You're like, oh, that could hurt. Maybe they're going to lose someone on the fourth line because he got an extra. extra 500 grand. It's a part of the whole arithmetic of the whole thing. It's a calculation. It's a math quiz to see who can build a championship team. I love that in baseball, I don't have to consider that. It doesn't mean budgets don't exist. They do. Doesn't mean smaller markets

don't lose guys because they price themselves out. Again, not perfect but different. Another thing about baseball is tanking isn't really a thing. Like you're not tanking for the first pick in baseball the way you do in other sports. It just doesn't work the same way. The draft isn't nearly is guaranteed. The first overall pick is not walking right in and playing for you. It's just a completely different dynamic. So I guess what I'm getting to is I love that Blue J fans are like, try to win, you know,

because the shoe was on the other foot with the leaves. Right, at this point last year with the Leafs, it was like, you've got to lose every single night. You know, part of that was tied to the Boston pick and the Fraser Mitten trade. But at this point last year, it was like, I don't want to watch out of fear they might win. or if I'm watching, I want them to lose, which is a very bizarre mentality. The reasonable one, the part of sports, it's what makes the league great in some ways.

But I like the fact that even though they're three and a half out and they have like a 7% chance of getting in, and yes, they're winning two out of three. They need a long run, in my opinion, to really make it serious. And this is the week. You got the Boston Red Sox for four and the Yankees for three. This is it. Seven straight at the Rogers Center. The dome's going to be open every night.

The weather's perfect this week. You got to win, I think, five of seven to make a serious statement. Serious. If you go five and two, let alone six and one, I'm not holding my breath on seven and oh. You go seven and oh parade time. People are going nuts here. Six and one, people are going crazy. Five and two, I think you legitimately are probably like two games out of the wild card with 35 games to play.

You're in the hunt. Got a good chance. You got a chance. But I appreciate, and I'm on board. with it, root for them to win every single game. Yes. You know, like go for it. There's no tanking here in baseball. There's no tanking with the Blue Jays. Try to find a miracle here. Well, first of all, you know, I'm not sure you're going to be able to say the first part of what you just said in another year, right? Because

the idea that this won't be a salary cap league a year from now is getting harder and harder to believe. The more you read about the way this labor negotiation is going to go, right? Because they may not call it a salary cap. They may may not call it a hard salary cap. Just like the NBA doesn't call their salary cap a hard salary cap, but with this new apron system, it's essentially become a hard salary cap in the NBA. And you've got a situation where you've already had two-star players, and the guy that just won the NBA championship in Brunson and Victor Wenbignana,

basically having to take hometown discounts to say, I want to be on a winning team, therefore I'm going to forego the maximum dollars allowed, right? which is what, you know, Connor McDavid and the rest of the best NHL players have been doing, maybe not in Toronto, for years. So I'm not sure, you know,

maybe one of the best things about baseball is probably going to be gone in any year from now. Let's hope not. But, you know, cross our fingers. But I agree with you on the system. Like, how do you not love it? Like, the Js are fourth last in the American League. Fourth last, there's only three teams below them.

And we're still sitting here going, three and a half back, have one good week. You can be right back in the race and feeling like you've got a real chance to sneak into the playoffs and then who knows from there, right? Like the who knows from their part, when you added the extra wild card, it just added so much more hope to so many more markets

for so much longer into the summer that the owners are just like rubbing their hands together and licking their lips and, yeah, keep coming to the ballpark, keep pretending that we got a chance. Because they probably are pretending. I mean, when you got a 90... A 90% percent chance not to prove otherwise. A 93% chance not to make it.

Yes. I mean, you're probably not going to make it. You probably are kidding yourself. But it's fun to kid yourself when the weather's perfect and the Red Sox and Yankees are coming to town. And if you have one good week, suddenly that 93% chance might become, hey, it might become an 87% chance that you're not going to make it. Yeah. Well, exactly. You're chipping away week by week.

And there's still a lot of games left to be. They've got 43 games left to play. Yeah, that's the other thing, right? There's still, you know, it's August 10th. There's still a lot of baseball. Again, I'm not putting money on it. I'm not putting my house on it. And I think it's more daunting that they have to jump over six teams than it is the actual

bold number of three and a half back. Like if you were three and a half games back of only Texas, but you were, then everyone else was behind you, I would feel much more comfortable with the idea of one team having to fold. It's that you can get hot and coincidentally, Seattle can get hot. Or Cleveland could get hot at the same time. Yeah, Detroit can get hot. They've won two in a row.

Of those six teams, they're the hottest team. They've won two in a row. But everybody else is not playing that well. Mariners will lost four in a row. The Guardians have lost two in a row. Twins have lost two in a row. And the Rangers have lost one. So, you know, it's a funny little logjam of mostly sub-500 teams.

I think Texas is 500 read of the number. It's a very strange American league this year. But because of that, to your point, like, there's reason to go to the ballpark this week. Well, and they don't look like a team that is quitting. You know, I thought that loss in Chicago was going to be very difficult to get up off the mat. And they battled all weekend, man. They had a true opportunity to sweep. Like yesterday, when that's 5'2 and, you know, you've been traveling everywhere,

you've got Houston, Chicago, Philly, you know, woe was me. I get at first of all problems. But that's a lot of travel. Yeah. No breaks. The bullpins on fumes. You've got injuries anywhere. way and they kept battling. And I actually would argue they've played their best like fundamental

baseball of the season in the last week. Defensively, they've really stepped up, which makes you pull your hair out because you're like, where was that earlier in the year when they were horrendous defensively? And it was supposed to be the calling card? And it was their calling card last year. I mean, they were great. They checked every box last year. But they, they were very, very sound fundamentally. And they just, they, for whatever reason, lost it for the first 100 games this year, but they look like a team that at a minimum has not, you know, quit on the idea of this season just getting away from them. Again, that doesn't mean anything.

If you go two and five this week, that can flip. It's fickle. And you're still on the wrong side of it because of the built-up sample size of you underperforming all season. Right. But Blattie Healthy actually got some hits, actually hit a home run. Seventh on the road. How about that?

And this is a week. I heard Carlo and AK talking about it today. I can't remember which one bet he wouldn't hit a home run. But that's bizarre in and of itself that you have seven straight home games, big home games against your division, teams he has eaten up in the past. Like his calling card has been destroying the Yankees and the Red Soxas.

And it's safe to say I'm not, I don't know if he's going to hit a home run this week. You know, I'm not sure he's going to hit a home run. Let's put it in perspective. That home run that he hit in Philly on Saturday, was one home run in his past 20 games. Yeah, man, he was happy putting that jacket on him. Yeah.

He was walking through the dugout like a man on Cloud 9. I mean, he's a happy guy. Like, that's the one thing about him. He plays happy when he's playing well. Like, you've seen him, obviously, he's frustrated after his many failures at the plate this year. But he's been happy for his teammates. He's been a real, like, he's a clear cheerleader in that in that dugout, right? He's always happy for guys when they're succeeding.

I haven't been a lot of that this year, obviously. but he's been first up on the step putting jackets on other guys all year, right? And so, you know, you give him credit for a good attitude, if not good performance. But yeah, to have one home on the past 20 games, as he has, it doesn't exactly suggest a hot streak is coming. Although, hey, you know, he was, what do you have? He's three hits in his past two games. So that's something.

It's not nothing. I mean, listen, Nathan Lucas is red-hot, right? right now. Ernie Clement has been consistently a very good hitter all season. And playing great in the field. And he's really picked it up. He's really performing much better in the field. And, you know, they got some new

blood in there. You know, you got Jameson on the mound tonight. Didn't go great as, you know, debut. Let's see what he's got. Again, you got Sonny Gray in the socks in town, the Red Sox and the Yankees. Sox have been out of this world good. Yeah. They're playing the way the Jay's played last year. Although they've been stumbling

a little bit. Well, and just like Philly was, too, right? And that's it. So, listen, if you can find a way, I think, you know, they're never going to publicly say anything, and they'll just take a series. They would probably take four and three right now. But I think you got to,

you got to get greedy this week. Like, you got to find a way, and I'm, you know, I'm a little bit concerned. They haven't had a day off in a long time. A lot of travel. Their bullpen is taxed more than any other bullpen in the major leagues. Yeah. And these two teams are going to make you work.

Like they're, they're going to push counts and they're going to force starters to bring their A stuff. Savage is not around, you know, like you're,

sure is it was really good over the weekend, which was a great story, but they're going to get taxed. And do they have enough to kind of grind out a five and two record this week? Their history would say no.

But if they can, Monday's show next week is probably going to have a very different vibe. like a very different feeling to it. So a little bit of optimism in the air. Good for the Jays. Good for the Jays. Good for the Jays.

But I mean, let's face it. They got to do what the Red Sox did earlier. Yeah, they got on one of those crazy streets. Like the only way you're really getting back into it is if you just win, win, win, win, win, win. Yes, seven, eight, ten in a row. Two out of three is not going to do it. It's not going to, like, it likely won't for the rest of the season. I don't think it's going to do it.

No, I think you're probably going to need better than that. And I agree. I think if they really want to recapture the fan base and the optimism, and I would argue the optimism within the clubhouse, it's got to be 7, 8, 9, you know, something like that. Like even a 6-and-1 week could do that. You win 7 straight. Then you're really talking.

Then you're really talking. But, you know, the likelihood of that happening against Boston and New York is obviously slim, even if you're playing great. But Jays with another series went over the weekend again, Boston in town for four, then the Yankees later in the weekend. All, Luke Wilson coming up, and I guess the bills unveiled their new stadium. And this is where social media really has changed the world, because everyone can be their own journalist, I guess.

And I'm sure you saw a lot of clips of people walking around with their phones. And my sense of it was that there were a lot of people, like, kind of complaining already about sight lines. I saw one guy, like, historically you've been in there a bunch of times. You smack the seat in front of you, and it's loud. in the old building. Yeah. This guy was smacky. He's like it makes no sound.

I guess whatever they've made this seed out of, it's quiet. It's dulled the sounds of the stadium. Now, again, it's not full, not an ASC championship game with Patrick Mahomes, you know, on the two-yard line and they're making noise. I think it'll be fine in the end. But it's a sign of just the realities of change.

Like, there's always going to be people complaining. Why isn't there a roof? Why didn't we do this? This sight line isn't great for me. It's just the way it goes wherever you happen to live and whatever a stadium gets open. Well, except for, you know, when SoFi opened, I never heard anybody complaining.

You know, that was like, this place is the greatest stadium ever built. And it seems like that's what everybody says. I personally haven't stepped in there, but everybody I've talked to that's gone in there and everything I've read and heard is that SoFi Stadium is the greatest creation. I've heard the same. Greatest creation for a mass sporting event that's ever been designed, basically, and constructed. The Colosseum of Coliseum.

Right. And so, no. You just weren't going to get that in Buffalo. I guess it's a reality. You're not getting so far. The greatest, but you want, you want, like, really good for $2.2 billion. Well, yes, you're right. And you want, you want glowing reviews early.

You don't want the complaints of, I'm in my seat and I can't see the end zone. that would seem to be an engineering conundrum. Right. Right. Like there's an architecture issue there where someone was like, let's put a seat up here and they can't see past the 30-yard line. Right. Like that's a reasonable gripe, you know, if it is true.

You did see, no, like, I mean, there was some pretty compelling photos taken where it was like, I'm sitting in my seat and there is like a concrete abutment in front of me and also like a glass railing and like I can't see, you know, 40% of the field. Yeah, that's a bit of a problem. That's a slave problem. Yeah. And I mean, look, I guess you get what you pay for, because I think so far came in around $5 billion, right?

It was the most expensive stadium ever built. That was years ago, too. Or something like that. I can't remember the exact number, but it was probably double what most stadiums cost and maybe closer to triple. So it was like a no expense spare type of, we are going to build the best of the best.

And everybody else will just be trailing us for years to come, right? So yeah, I mean, look, I still think, to your point, like, they've done a lot of things right. Like, going to the natural grass. Yes. And the players said it's brilliant. Like, it's perfect. That is a brilliant move. Yes.

Because not only does it speak to, you know, going back to the roots of the game and going back to the way the game was intended to be played. It speaks to a prioritizing player health, right? The players, it really means a lot to the play. Yeah, there's some ugly views there. Yeah. I mean, and again, I think, unfortunately, most stadiums, it kind of happens. There are just certain seats where you have obscured viewing.

If it's, for whatever reason, the stanchions, whether it's the, I don't know, the sight lines can get out of walk. You would like to believe they would consider that. But I think they, I'm sure they feel very good about 99% of seats in there. And it's a brand new, I'm sure it's a gorgeous stadium. Obviously, I haven't been in there. I know there's been complaints about roof or no roof. I kind of like the fact that they stuck with, it's Buffalo, that's an advantage, that's a lifestyle,

we're used to it up here, and I don't think they were getting a Super Bowl anyway. You know, I know they went to Detroit when they built their news, when they got Ford Field, went to Indianapolis, when they went to New York. They would have gone if it was a dome. I don't know if there's enough infrastructure in Buffalo. Dude, Detroit. Detroit was once a great, great city, though, date. Like Detroit, Detroit has hotels.

and like, you know, not that many. Not that many. They got more than Buffalo, I guarantee you that. They probably have more than Buffalo. I don't know if Buffalo was ever in the Super Bowl. I was at the Super Bowl in Detroit, and you could not, there was nowhere to eat because every,

even the crappiest restaurant was just jammed. You could not get a reservation. You could not walk in and not wait an hour and a half. It was crazy. Yeah. Detroit was a stretch. It was, that was a stretch. It was an absolute stretch.

And Indianapolis is the same thing. Like Indianapolis is not, like, that's not New York. But Indy has like the tradition of hosting Final Four. Yes. And they have like a convention. And the Combine is there. And they're the home of the NCAA, you know, head office. I hear it.

They have a lot of stuff that goes there, right? That's big. You know, so they've done big, big events many times, right? That's the thing. Buffalo doesn't do big events. No, Buffalo's done, you know, first round of the NCAA tournament, but not the final four. They've done like an outdoor game. Right.

But, right. No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm just not convinced the NFL is. And I mean, it all comes down to money, too. It's like the roof would cost another several hundred million dollars, if not another billion. I don't know the exact number. Obviously, it depends what kind of roof you get and how nice the roof is. Well, and a lot of that is payback for like the government's paying for that roof. So the government's like, you're coming.

Right. Like, I think the way it kind of works. Like, if you put a roof on and you pitch in another billion, we'll bring the Super Bowl there. Right. One time, you know. I guess that was possible. I just don't know if it was. You're probably right.

I'm not convinced they were going to do that for Buffalo. You're probably right. I mean, there's a very good chance they wouldn't. But Nashville, I think they're getting one in the future, right? They're going to build that new stadium. But Nashville is a bigger town and a, you know, it's just... I mean, it's a hot town. It's a hot town right now.

It is, absolutely. All right, Luke Wilson coming up. We got Dallas Braden on where the Jay's currently stand. Max Scherzer moving up the list, all-time strikeouts as well. Where does he stand in terms of the modern, you know, goat list? We'll catch up with Dallas and get his take on that and more. Overdrive continues to us. 1050 and on TSN4.

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You see Adam Vinatari just basically roast. people. Stand-up routine. I thought it was great. It was outstanding. I have no problem with that. You know, I,

it's your Hall of Fame speech. Yeah. You do whatever you want. Some guys try to go really deep and heavy and tear jerky and other guys try to be funny. Other guys, you know, are quick. Some guys are too long.

Some guys are bitter like Michael Jordan. Yeah. Exactly. You know, just, you know, sort of exacting old grudges. Yeah.

Bringing up, bringing up all his hatreds. And then you get venetary. who was like a breath of fresh air? He was absolutely hilarious. Just having a blast. Taking shots at Belichick and McAfee and Peyton Manning. Everyone was in his crosshairs.

That was great. And you're a kicker going into the Hall of Fame. You know, like if you're going in as a kicker, you better stick out. I mean, he's seeing how much money Pat McAfee's making, making cracks on a microphone. And he's like, I could do that. I'm pretty funny too. I think he helped himself in that regard. I absolutely loved it, man.

I got no problem with that. and you look at next year's class, we're going to get to it in a minute, but it's stacked. There's some big names, and there's some guys who didn't get in this year that I think most of us believe should be in or will get in into the future. So it's going to be a constant conversation.

Here's a guy who loves kickers. I guarantee you we love venetary speech. Here's our main man, Luke Wilson, joining us back on Overdrive. Are you a fan? You're a venetary guy, right, Luke? You got to be. I mean, I'm not. You know I'm not a kicker guy.

I know. So, I mean, he's made your big kicks. He obviously is one of the best ever do it. So, like, I'm not an anti-vinitary guy. But, yeah, you know, I saw the jokes. It was, I thought he did a nice job up there. Yeah, I thought he did, too. I got no problem with that.

It's your gold jacket, man. Hey, man. It's your moment. It's you do whatever you got to do. You want to roast. You can go ahead and roast. Anyway, it's good to have you on. And, you know, you look at, obviously,

future Hall of Famers. We saw, I don't know if you saw the clip, Mike Sando of the Athletic was on a podcast, talking about Josh Allen, and saying that he's heard some rumblings that maybe there's issues, you know, I don't know, it's from teammates or the staff that he's trying to kind of impose his will on Joe Brady a little bit. And, you know, he's calling protection plays. And he's, he used to do that with McDermott. And the fear is he's going to do it even more, have even more power. with Joe Brady is a head coach. I would consider that a formality. Like you're the best player in the league, arguably, you're a quarterback. Of course, you can have some power. Where do you stand on the idea that, you know, he might have even more say in the way things work? And is that a good or a bad thing in Buffalo?

Yeah, I, you've got to kind of be there, Hayes, in the sense of it's hard to say it's good or bad. Like, I'll go back to a situation I thought was not great, you know, when we were in Seattle and Russ started to get a little more power and was kind of like meddling, Russ kind of wanted like our offensive identity to completely change.

So I didn't think that was necessarily great when you have coaches that want things run a certain way as far as like, let's hand the ball off to Marchion, let's run wide zone, quick game and play action deep shots. Like, what's the most complex game? and like Russ's idea of, you know, taking control is like abandoning a lot of that.

Where like you look at a guy like Peyton Manning and his whole thing like ads got later in his career was like, I can call plays the line scrimmage, I can check, I can flip protections. So like the article is not very clear to me of like what exactly is Josh Allen allowed to do or is he trying to do? Is he trying to get up and adjust plays the line of scrimmage based on pre-sap looks or is he trying to nuke the entire identity of what they're doing?

That's where it gets a little convoluted for me. Right, but Luke, I'm just wondering, like, as Hayes said, if you've got a guy who is a perennial MVP candidate who obviously sees things out there, don't you want him sort of offering

input to a head coach or an offensive coordinator? in terms of how you were going to go about attacking this season? Yeah, I mean, you absolutely want them input, but you've got to think, like, a great offensive coordinator as a mind like a computer. So it's like, okay, we're not just calling plays, we're setting up plays.

You know, you're calling stuff that in the third quarter, you've got a little wrinkle that you think's going to work well. You're calling plays based on the perspective. is a headset the whole game saying, okay, here are the adjustments. Not that your quarterback isn't understanding this, but he's on the field. Like, he's not getting every little piece of minutia that the OC will get. So that's where it's like, hey, I really like this.

And your offensive coordinator should 100% like take that into consideration and roll with it. But there's also a world where like the OC is like, hey, man, our game plan is, X or if one guy's hurt, you know, we've got a transition. The O.C. to me, you know, unless your quarterback becomes that guy, meaning like a Peyton Manning style player, like the O.C. to me is like the artists of the whole thing. You want your quarterback to, you know, have that working relationship. But if it goes too far where, like, you're prepping to do one thing and he's on a different page, that's not always the most efficient way to move the football.

Yeah. I hear that. I mean, I feel like there's, you know, you use the Russell Wilson example, which you know literally firsthand you were there. I look at Russ's capabilities, and I think there's a limit to that. You know, like he can try to do things that he, I'm not sure he was capable of doing. Where I think you use the Aaron Rogers example, Rogers famous for getting to a line of scrimmage and said, nope, like not doing this. man, we're going this way, but he was capable of doing it. You know, it's like threading a needle, I guess, is what I'm getting to, right, with Josh Allen.

And, you know, it's deeper than just what happens at the line of scrimmage on a big play at the end of the game. It's building up the game plan. It's executing it. Like you said, it's about planting plays where you can react to them or execute differently in the future. But I'm curious to see how it works with Joe Brady because he is there literally for Josh Allen.

Like of all the power players in the league, Mahomes would be on the same level, but Andy Reid's got the clout. Like Andy's Andy. Joe Brady, like, I guess what I'm getting to, Luke, it's like you talk about power imbalance. Joe Brady to Josh Allen is probably as extreme as it gets in the sport. But I couldn't agree with that more.

Ayes. Like you said it, Mahomes is obviously Patrick Mahomes, but Andy Reid is like, I would, you know, say that if you had a GM that could pick any offensive mind to lead their team this season, Andy Reid would be in everyone's top three and for a lot of people number one. So, you know, and I don't think Joe Brady has, I mean, not think you just,

Joe Brady does not have that pedigree that Andy Reid has. Right. You know, I'm going back to all his time with the Eagles. I'm going back to his time with Brett Farr on the under Holmgren staff. like this guy has, this is football royalty and Andy Reid. So, yeah, I'm with you on that because if Josh Allen starts getting annoyed, Joe Brady is definitely expendable compared to some other coaches that are offensive gurus in this league. With Luke Wilson.

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He wasn't, but he is still obviously capable of being on next year's ballot. He will be and could be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2027. It happens to coincide with Rob Grankowski's first year of eligibility. So we are asking people online and we'll ask you, Luke, If you could only induct one into the pro football Hall of Fame, who would it be Belichick or Grunk? Belichick. And I'm not even, you guys know, I'm not, personally, they both deserve to be there.

Yes. And I'm not, I'm not a big Belichick guy. Like, that's not, you know, I got one of his minions in Detroit. As you know, hey, Matt, Patricia, that I'm not a big fan of the minions. Right. I got you. you've got to give credit where credit's due and you could sit there and play this game of like oh we had Brady oh we had this well yeah you could say almost every hall of famer you know you could go down if you want to play that game you can say well Jerry rice had Bill Walsh and Joe Montana and then Steve Young like that's not the facts are the facts here like nobody has had the success that Bill Belichick has had in one organization.

This, I mean, the amount, the numbers speak for themselves. I get that he had Tom, but I think there's an argument that Tom also had Bill, especially in those first three Super Bowls. You know? So I don't, I get why

he wasn't voted in because it's not a legitimate process. People have personal emotions. They come in and Bill has never been kind to the media. He's been a bit greasy at times, whether it was deflate gate, whether it was SpyGate, whether it was probably a slew of another 20 things that this guy's done. I don't know how Bill's moral compass is.

I mean, I think you look at his personal life right now. It is what it is, but I don't think he's maybe the guy that all the writers would love to talk about. But that being said, like, none of that should matter. You know, this guy has clearly done enough to be a first ballot hall of famer who was not voted in due to personal reasons. So between that one, I got to still go with Bill. And not that Grunk's not at a Hall of Fame career. It's just like Bill is one of one when it comes to his situation. And yet, Luke, you talk about, I mean, Gronk's just not another player, right?

I mean, this is a guy who's in the conversation to be the greatest tight end of all time. I mean, he's got four Super Bowl rings. I mean, there's not a lot of guys that have a resume like Gronk. I mean, where do you rank him? if you're in that conversation among Tony Gonzalez and Travis Kelsey and Antonio Gates and Shannon Sharp and on down the list

I mean where does Gronk rank for you on that tight end list? Yeah, this is a tough one for me. I'll tell you and I apologize about the cop out but to me there's two, I give my tight end, my personal tight end awards

in three different factions if you will, three different categories. I think all around tight end, meaning if you're including run blocking, Gronk is number one for me all time. You know, I think that because of the crazy catches, because of the personality, because of the touchdowns of Grong spikes, people forget that this guy could put his hand in the ground and was massive.

He was a big guy. He blocked well. He did a lot in that offense. So Grong to me, as far as an all-around guy, is one. As far as a peak season, like, you're talking one year, if I want a guy to go out and make a million plays, it's Jimmy Graham with Drew Breeze. Wow.

And it's not that close. Like the Jimmy Graham era, and I think I was listening to Kelsey talk about this, with Drew Breeze, like that was one of the most dominant quarterback in statistically as well. Well, again, I'm talking not just peak. I'm not talking longevity. Him coming to Seattle, and I think Jimmy would be the first step I tell you. It's really jammed his legacy up.

And then as far as an all-time pass catcher, I think you have to put Kelsey there. That's my third one. So, like, my categories are like, all around I go grong. Peek, I would go Jimmy Graham. And then, like, just pass-catching tight end, I think Travis, especially, we'll see how this does, but, like, I'm a big longevity guy as well, and, like, some perspective boys. Travis Kelsey was drafted in the same year I was two rounds in front of me, and he's still cooking. Yeah.

Yeah. You guys get what I'm saying here. It's like, this guy, like, you want to talk about saying healthy, greatness, all those things, like Travis has consistently done it. So that would be kind of my big three. I know it's controversial, but, I mean, I think that's a source. No, I think that's totally reasonable. Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, the Graham one is obviously outside the box thinking

because you'd have to go back and like literally look at his football reference page and say, wow, I can't believe that season. But like Kelsey's got the Sanlot ability too, right? Like broken down plays, that guy got his head up and found space and made serious plays. And big time plays in the playoffs, but Gronk too. I mean, that's the thing that, you know, obviously it's not fair to Jimmy. but those two had so many, like, massive moments and, like, championship games and Super Bowls. And, you know, you think of Kelsey against the bills.

You think of Bronx, like the amount of plays he made that were, like, mandatory for them to win. Yeah, they also had, they also both had two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time throwing the ball. And Drew Brees, who just went into the Hall of Fame, is possibly a top 10 QB of all time. So it is linked, you know, Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young throwing to him. That helps. But anyway, I want to ask you about a couple of CFL statements over the weekend. The Argos beating the stamps in a shootout. It was a great game.

And then the alouettes at home against the Elks, a lot of injuries, especially on the defensive side of things. And Montreal, I thought that was a pretty significant statement. I mean, I know we've been more focused on the West and believe you've been on record saying there's better teams out there. But is there a chance we could have. have a couple of heavy hitters in the east when all said and done.

Yeah, Montreal is the best team in the league right now, and I think it's, that's a pretty, you know, accepted statement. Now, you know, it's funny early in the year, and I was talking with Coach Jason Moss about this.

Like, he didn't say this, but I was kind of having a small combo where I'm like, I didn't even think they were playing that well due to their standards. like they were playing okay they're playing well but like they were five and one at the time i think we had this combo and i'm watching the film haze and i'm like these guys aren't even close to playing to their potential i shouldn't say playing that well playing to that team's potential and we've seen

it the last couple weeks sure against ottawa you can say okay chalk one up it's in ottawa but like the game they just put together against edmonton Montreal to me if i were rank in midseason they are number one after that, Toronto is really a strange one for me because they should, like, they honestly should have two losses. But they've kind of like found ways to lose games. And even in the Calgary game, it's like four picks in a three-point win. Like, they have no business winning that game on a last second field goal. They should have won that game by double digits.

If you're in the CFL and you hold an opposing quarterback, but I want to say it was like 50% completion percentage, and 150 yards. Like, there's just no world where you shouldn't blow this team out of the water. So the turnovers have been killing them, but I do think they're the sleeper right now. So if I were to do my mid-season rankings, I'd go Montreal one, I'd go Saskatchewan, two. I would have Edmonton at three, and then four for me would probably be Toronto. you know, but yeah, I would probably put Toronto at Ford.

And then 5, 6, 7 get really greasy. I think 8-9 or Ottawa and Hamilton. You know, but 5-6-7 is Calgary, Winnipeg, B.C. And you can kind of make the argument for, I think, for all three. I'd probably put Calgary out of that one. But I do think that Toronto, to me, is the fourth best team in the league at the moment. I like it. I like it.

All right. And they got the Elks in town this week, and then the tabby's in town next week. So a couple more home games, and they're going to be stacked with home games down at Bimo Field the rest of the way. All right, buddy, we're getting close to go time. Great stuff, as always. We'll do it again soon. Can't wait. You got it.

There is. Luke Wilson, our TSN football analyst, wearing multiple helmets. CFL, NFL, NFL. He's doing college stuff at times. Love it. Guys everywhere. Yeah, the football talk is ramping up. up, man. Yeah, it really

happens quick, right? You get to the Hall of Fame weekend and everyone's kind of together down there. And next year's class, we reference Gronk is eligible to go in. Adrian Peterson, Richard Sherman, Ben Ropisberger, obviously Belichick is still there. Eli's still there. Cam Newton's eligible.

Yeah. Hell of a class. Yeah, Whitworth's eligible to. There's a number of guys. There's a tough boy. Tough year to get in. Tough year to get in. Yeah. Like, for me, is a lock in Peterson and Sherman are locks, I think. Like for me, I mean,

like AP, Adrian Peterson, the first, before he started having injury problems, his first five, seven years in the league was like the stuff of legend how good he was. It was absurd how good he was as a rookie. Like his first two or three years in the league, he was arguably the best player, period,

in football or close to it, certainly the best back. I mean, his numbers were off the charts, how good he was. So, Bronc, AP, Sherman, I think I would put Rathesberger in

as the fourth of that group, that category, but maybe I'm putting too much emphasis on the quarterback position. You can't. You can't put too much.

That's the thing. He plays a position he plays when multiple Super Bowls plays for a legacy team. I know people don't love to hear that, but it counts.

It does. It matters when you're a stealer as opposed to a cardinal. It just does. and he's got it. Wow.

How about next year? You still got Robert Kraft dangling out there. Imagine Bob Kraft and Belichick going the same year? Wouldn't that be something? Think their speech, they'll mention each other. I guarantee you that Belichick would not say a word about Kraft. Yeah, his speech would be so anticipated. Yes.

Belichick, you referenced Jordan and some of the qualms he had with people. Belichick may just unload a clip on the whole league. Wouldn't that be something if he did? Yeah, just took, like, every... Everyone. Take the commissioner down for... Commissioner, anyone. Exactly.

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Mandatory that they win at least four games. mandatory and you really want them to come alive. They got to catch a heater here. Take three from Boston, two from the Yankees, five and two, and you're possibly feeling more optimistic a week from now. Again, they've got to prove it, and their track record would not suggest

anyone should be holding their breath on this, but they have been playing much better lately. And they've got to find a spark. You have 43 games left. Yeah, they've got to surprise you. They've got to start looking like a different team. they got to start playing with a different spirit. Which has happened a couple times recently,

like pushing it to extra innings, actually winning an extra innings. Yesterday was obviously a bummer, but they had an opportunity. Well, after Lucas made that play, you're thinking, man, they're going to win that. Absolutely. And if they won that and swept Philly, you're like, okay, now, like, what's going on here?

I know you're holding on for dear life at this point in terms of just searching for any sense of optimism, but based on what they did a year ago, if they didn't have that from a year ago, no one would be of this mind today. You're right. Like if they won 70 games last year, you guys stink, just get out of the way.

You're bothering people. Stop pretending there'd be calls for the heads of various management people. Everybody. Everybody. The manager. Yeah, totally different. So we'll get to Dallas on that and more still to come. Carlo with a comment on the morning show about his anecdotal experience among Leaf fans recently.

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