OverDrive - OverDrive - August 14, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

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This hour of overdrive is powered by Fanduil. Fan duel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, and up on TSN2. Brian Hayes, Dave Feschuk of the Toronto Star. What's happening? Dave. Loving this perfect weather, man. Yeah, I said of yesterday.

Like, do not even look at the weather app anymore. It's like we're in Arizona or something. It just every single day is the exact same, 30 degrees in sunny. I love it. It never changes. I'll take it. I will take it too, and I hope it consistently runs for as long as it possibly can. Like I would love just one out of nowhere shocking winter that, like 15 degrees.

And if that were to ever happen, like I've wondered about that, like with golf courses and stuff like that. Outside kind of summer-like activity, would they adjust or would they, you just have to assume at some point it's going to turn? You know what I'm saying? Because usually golf courses are like November 1st, we're closed. What if it's like 25 degrees on November 1st? Good question. Could you not have a kind of moving closed date

or is it just you assume at some point it's going to turn into a truly Canadian winter? But what if it doesn't? What if we have a great November? We've had some of those years. We've had some good November. Why can't we have some flexibility here?

Hey man, you can go to Niagara. They're not fancy courses, but there's courses that stay open all year because the soil is really sandy they dry out really fast and we've played christmas day outdoors that's i like that i like that in the sunbelt in windsor like oh always claims that windsor is the miami of the miami of canada yeah that's what they used to call st catherine's too like back of the day the old junior hockey announcer rex timers and the kids are like welcome to the miami of canada it was like not really yeah really not that i don't know if you have the same like nightlife and stuff as miami but i hear

if we're going based on weather and patterns i mean i'll grant you that That escarpment, there's the, like, the escarpment does have kind of an effect. Like, it's a microclimate where it's, if you go to that, like, there's St. Davis in Queensston, they're right on the, right on the escarpment. They get really good weather. Yeah. And so if it's sunny, there could be a little bit of snow on the ground, but you can play golf, really. Like, it'll be by, by, like, I remember Christmas Day a couple years ago.

It was like, by 10 a.m., the place was packed, and it was like, you could play in short sleeves. That's a sunny day, like, probably like 10, 15 Celsius. That's great. Beautiful stuff. Yeah, let's have some roving, roving, roving, clothing. closing dates here. Yeah. Let's not be so committed.

The fancy courses won't do it. No, they're not doing that because they don't want to keep paying people. And also it's like, well, we've got to worry about next year, which I understand. You've got to get out in front of it and make sure that everything's settled so that you do winter properly. But give us like a November 15th. Yeah. Hook us up for like a couple extra weeks. We need it because we had such a bad start.

It was an awful. Yeah, it was an awful April. Yeah, it was an awful April. May was not great. May was not great. Really rainy and cold. And so it felt like it wasn't. ever going to come.

And now that it's here, you're right. We need that, we need that extended summer. Big time. Yeah, and I guess the Blue Jays will represent that, right? Like, if they keep winning and keep playing and you're playing meaningful games into October, that is going to have a very different feel in terms of, you know, the boys of summer are still kind of kicking around. Yeah.

And downtown. And that's always interesting, like, how you kind of tailgate for baseball in July compared to October. Very different. I think it's going to be really fun. I think it's going to be great. Because the Leafs will be back. The Raptors, their schedule came out today.

They're going to be playing. We have potential for an overlap of all three teams. Oh, yeah. And when was the last time we had that? You're right. It's been a long time. The Leafs start October 8th. I think the Raptors, NBA starts October 21st.

Yeah. That you got to be probably World Series for that. Yeah, you're closing in on the World Series. But, you know, if the Jay's, as of right now, you look at the American League, everyone's putting together lists like who do you think is definitively better Seattle's red hot right now are they definitely better than the Blue Jays I'm not convinced of that is Houston is Detroit I mean I don't know so wide open yeah it's completely wide open this year

it's like the Yankees are a bit of a mess the Red Sox don't scare you Detroit is you know they've been leading the central but it's the central like and they've been benefiting from that week's schedule right it's just doesn't they don't impress you in any real way right I think obviously scoobel is scoble, and that's going to be a tough game no matter who you... Doesn't matter who they're playing. They're playing the Dodgers. It doesn't matter who they're playing.

He's the best pitcher right now. It doesn't matter. I mean, you got the best pitcher in baseball. You got a chance to get off to a 1-0 start in a series every time you play. But he's not, you know, he's not perfect. You know, he's had some stutters during the year, so who knows? Well, the Js just beat him in a game he started. Yeah.

Right? So you have that in your back pocket. if you're the Blue Jays, but yeah, I do think, you know, that'll be an interesting conversation, like which comes to an end first, the Blue Jays season or the great weather, right, or patio season, or are you possibly getting out of town and going up north, whatever it is, the golf clubs, do they go away before the Jays stop playing? You know, all these questions, I guess, will be determined as we move forward, but it is a good sign that the Jays continue to roll, and, of course, they're playing this afternoon, so we'll continue to track that.

Yeah, you start looking at kind of what is slowly starting to trickle out. You mentioned the NBA schedule, and I guess the Raptor schedule came out today. And I was thinking about it on the way in. You know, I generally, outside of the championship years or where they were kicking around, you know, as one of the top teams in the East, and especially when LeBron was still in Cleveland or LeBron was in Miami, he'd always circle that. Like, when is this team coming in? When is that player coming in?

I don't know who that represents anymore for a Raptor fan. like we were chatting about Orion and I earlier today like the big reveal of the schedule who are we waiting for like I guess Shay in Oklahoma City they come here once a year but who else represents that is there a team that the rappers are going to play

that you just can't wait to see the match up against I mean I don't have anybody it's a good point I guess you'd say maybe one of the most intriguing teams is Luca and the Lakers right and that's more their storyline yeah not in connection

with the Raptors, you know, and I think it speaks to any team that is kind of going through what they're going through. Unless you are a legacy team, like the least are different, even when they're awful, you look forward to Montreal coming through town on a Saturday night, you know, because there's history there. If it's Ottawa or whatever, there's some more history there geographically. But like with the Raptors, again, in 19, it was coming off that championship. You wanted to see them play against Philly again. Yes. Right? It's like, let's see what they got against Philly. And Yonis. And Milwaukee. Okay, we know what just happened there. Like, when

does Yonis roll back into town? I don't know, like, if there's a team that represents that right now. Well, there isn't because we don't know what this Raptors team is, right? Like, and you just saw the they finally cut the last tie to the championship team with Chris Bouchet moving on and going to Boston. So

the fact that you haven't seen Brandon Ingram play a game for the Raptors and they paid him 40 million bucks a year and these agentists said couldn't have got that money anywhere else. Oops. What a line. A little bit. A little of a kick to the you know what's of messai on the way out right rich paul the great rich paul a super agent to the many stars you know delivered a not so subtle shot at the raptors management by revealing that uh at least that opinion um and yeah this you just don't know what this team is

you're going to have a new president so you don't know what that president's going to bring is there a timeline on that i mean i've heard camps open up in a month or so i mean five six weeks you'd think if it's a high priority. You're going to do that before the season begins. I think you should expect it before the season. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if no one's put a hard timeline on it. They never like to in these circumstances.

But it seems like, you know, there's definitely been a lot of chatter about it in the background. Yeah. And what does it mean and who's it going to be? I don't think anybody's quite sure yet. But, you know, Dwayne Casey's been in the running in terms of familiar names. I like that idea. Yeah. Well, I'm a Dwayne Casey super fan.

I mean, that's been well established. I, you know, I thought he did a great job here. It turns out they made the right decision. I mean, there's no disputing that. They went to Nick Nurse. They won a championship. You know, what Dwayne would look, how, I think he would handle the job very well. Like, in terms of he's a classy guy, and I think he would kind of, he would look the part, but without the experience.

But I don't know what the experience means in a job like that. when you consider his predecessor, Maasai didn't necessarily have it at that title. No. When he came over from Denver, it was still like you're in management. You don't wear the suit, so to speak.

Brendan Shanahan was not a president. No. As a player, you know, and yes, he worked for the league and all that, but all of a sudden he's, you know,

shaking hands with, you know, billionaires downtown and trying to figure out how you're going to bring in more money. That's the point, Brian. Thank you. Thank you, Dwayne. I just,

I don't, I don't, sports is always different. when it comes to, like, having to have a certain resume for those type of jobs. But I don't know what his connection would be with Rogers, with Keith Pelly. You know, Keith was down in Vegas at the Summer League, and I'm sure he was talking to different people and trying to get a read on what is in the best interest of Maple East Sports and Entertainment.

And ultimately, it does come down to who you know and how you can sell yourself and who you're supposed to sell yourself too. Well, yeah, to that point, I think one thing Wayne Casey's really good at is getting in a room and communicating his vision, right? Like, we've seen it. You know, he comes on, he comes on this show. He stands in front of the media. He's a great communicator.

He's an inspiring communicator I've always found, you know. He can rev you up. Yes, he can. He can get you, he can get you, you know, really, really believing in his ideas and his vision for what a team could be. And he did that here. Like, he was, he was a great builder of the early Raptors team of Lowry DeRosen, right? Like, he was, he took him pretty far.

Yeah, absolutely. And so I eventually realized or at least decided that, you know, he needed a different coach to take him to the next step. Now, could Dwayne Casey have coached the team with Kauai Leonard? That gets... That gets lost in the shuffle a lot. They fired them before they acquired Kauai. Exactly.

I'm not sure. I think Dwayne might have been... Dwayne might have done okay. A lot of coaches might have done okay with Kauai Leonard on their team. But I'll tell you what, like, you know, when you think about what this team needs, I do think it needs a communicator. Like, Bobby Webster is a brilliant guy, but I don't know if he commands a microphone

and kind of delivers a vision in any real way that I've seen yet. Maybe he could grow into that, but, you know, I don't think he's really got, he's never wowed anybody speaking to the media or, I would think by kind of just inference. We haven't seen him in a boardroom, but if you can't command the mic with the media, I'm not sure how good you're going to be

in a boardroom selling, to your point, billionaires of your vision. Well, that's a big part. That's the bigger part of that title is selling up. Yes. You got to make sure the guys above you are happy with the job you're doing and feel like they're included, but they don't have their fingerprints. Like, it's managing ownership is a big part of that role. Yeah.

Now, owners are going to say you're there to do the job for me, but the best ones, I think, are the ones that make sure they know the GMs know, I got your back. The owner knows I got your back and the guy somewhere in the middle. kind of as a puppeteer on both sides, so to speak. And I agree with you. And I think with the Raptors, it is more important for them to have that kind of style of leaders, so to speak.

I think they need somewhat of a showman who can kind of speak for them, right? And get out in front of how much oxygen the Maple Leafs are going to take up, how much oxygen the Blue Jays are going to take up. Like the Jays are an example of it right now. Whenever they win, they're the biggest thing in town. Like there's 45,000 people down there at every single game. You can't find tickets to the Jays right now. Everyone's buzzing about the Blue Jays.

They got here first, about 20 years before you started. They play in a different schedule. They're here in the summer. They have exclusivity over the summer. No one's really competing with them. You know, TFC, the R goes to an extent, but not at that level. No. Not the same level of what the Blue Jays represent.

The Raptors, you know, you've always kind of been the youngest child of the empire. and you've always, I think, felt like you need someone that's out there speaking on your behalf. And that's what Maasai did so well. I think Brian Colangelo represented that, right? Classy guy had one executive of the year, came in, he could speak, felt like he had an aura to him, he had a dad who was in the game for a long time. So there was like a legacy play to him. You know, the first guy to run the whole operation was Isaiah Thomas.

Yeah. You know, like that's always been, I think, the play with the Raptors is like you need someone who can be out there and put them on the map and speak that. into existence within this market and maybe at times even more importantly outside of the market. And I think that matters here. That's why I think it is imperative they find a president. They find someone that can play that role where with the Leafs, it's just not like Brendan Shanahan didn't matter if, you know, people in New York were paying attention.

Of course they're going to. The League revolves around the Leafs in many ways. And Shanahan proves that the Leafs of the brand, because he essentially disappeared. into the woodwork more often than not. Exactly. And kind of lost his nerve for whatever reason in terms of getting in front of a microphone with some maybe had a couple bad experiences earlier on in his

tenure. You'd have to ask him. I mean, he's never really had much of, he hasn't that in the same. That's all the thing. You're like, what would his interpretation possibly be of a quote unquote bad press or like I don't recall any quote of substance from him? I think the main one that maybe

was a turning point for the way he viewed dealing with the media was when he made the argument that when he was in Detroit I don't even have the quote in front of me but he essentially made a statement that many people including myself took to mean when we were in Detroit we sacrificed for the betterment of the team

and he was speaking of the young guys in the contract or four contracts that were impending and he tried to make that case problem with that and you know problem with that case was a he was playing before the salary cap when he was in Detroit not quite the same thing, even though there may have been some truth to, you know, Mike Illich getting in that room saying, guys, you can only have this much money,

you have split it up, you know. But, and B, when British Anahueh was a restrictive free agent, like, you know, many of these young Leafs were, he left the team that drafted him and his good paloula Marilla, who he considers something of a father figure in hockey, he left them to take maximum money in St. Louis, become one of the highest paid players in the league, who he was essentially a mercenary in a restricted free agent year, which was exactly what the players who played for the Leafs at that time, the Nielanders and Marners and Matthews of the world became as well.

Right. So it was kind of a disingenuous argument. He claims it was misinterpreted. I wrote it at the time that it was just like really didn't really, there was really no relation to his career and these guys, what these guys were doing other than the fact that, guess what? They were going to do what Brett and Shanahan did and get every last dollar they felt they were due. Right.

And they did. And they ended up doing that. I remember that one. That was like an impromptu presser out west. or something too. Because he would do that occasionally, Shannon. He'd just kind of pop up out of nowhere and be like, all right, I'll talk with you guys.

Then that stopped. And then, yeah, ultimately it completely stopped. And that's really been the nature of the way the Maple Leafs have kind of handled their media, quote unquote. Like Kyle Dubas was doing a podcast with the Cam and Strick podcast. Andy Strickland and Cam Janssen. Yeah. And he was talking a lot about the least, but like Dubus has not spoken.

He has no reason to come on media in Toronto. Toronto. Like, obviously, we've requested him a bunch. But even his last couple of years, he never did media. Like, he would stand in front of the media. He wouldn't do interviews. He wouldn't come on our show. He wouldn't do, like, impromptu pressers or impromptu conversations or interviews are very, very rarely. And I think, ultimately, that was because Shanahan, that's what he believed in. And he was like, this is the way it's going to operate.

This is the way it's going to work. And that's another thing, like, when Keith Pelley took over, he was like, we got to change the way we deal with everyone and the way that we interact and the way that. In the media. The way we do it. Yeah. And so far, it's not been a long time, but I haven't really seen a tangible change. Now, to be fair to them, it's the off-season. So I'm not sure what exactly they're going to do.

But we'll see if that happens. Yeah, we will. Like, we'll see if the Brendan Shanahan era really carries on in terms of the way they handle their superstar players, the way that they express themselves, the way that they decide to get stories out. Because I think there's, my interpretation has always been the least of kind of been of the belief like just don't say anything don't create anything it's going to get

crazy you know you got to protect protect protect and i understand that to some extent and i understood it when these guys were younger but the idea that you would need to protect austin matthews who's lived here and played here for nine years i just i don't i don't i can't reason with that anymore i mean now maybe matthews doesn't matthews on his own like look at his injuries like i'm not talking. He's the only guy in the league, to my knowledge, that wouldn't reveal what he was dealing with. The plus everyone else comes out and talks. Bad fan relations move. Yeah. It's like maybe, I don't know, I'm curious how that's going to change, if it's going to change, if it's possible to, if it even makes sense. You know, maybe I don't see this market the way that other

people see it. Like maybe they look at it appropriately and they're like, just don't give them anything, don't say anything, go out and play, smile, cliche here, cliche there. But I don't know. I think this team, it's long overdue for like a big, big personality. Yeah. Like a big, fun,

brash personality. I'm with you. Let it fly and see what happened. To me, what you're talking about with the way Dubus conducted himself, the way Shanahan conducted himself at the end or near the end, and basically for the bulk of his. Well,

you mentioned Lou Lamarillo. That's where he learned everything from. That's what I'm saying. A lot of it stem from Lou. Yeah. Lou being very much in charge for a lot of that time and setting the tone and having Lou's rules and the arcane rules that, you know,

all the players would, you know, roll their eyes at about having to shave and no long hair, which also extended to basically, if you say anything that we don't like, you're going to be in trouble, right? Don't express yourself, was essentially the rule. Yeah. And those who do express themselves do it at their own peril, right?

But you're right, like, it's not like that's the only way to run the Leafs. Like when Liwiki was here, he was making headlines on a regular basis when he arrived, right? And sometimes, you know, he was a showman, sometimes got her. hurt by it. Yeah. The dumb stuff about taking the pictures off the wall, ticking it off

Johnny Bauer and all the old leaves. Yeah. Not wanting black and white pictures of the glory days on the walls. I mean, he, like he did the hard thing. And he backpedaled on that. Backpedaled on that. And then before that, like, let's not forget. Like, Brian Burke was not afraid to get in front of a microphone. I mean, in the Burke era,

you know, Burke would talk. I mean, Dave Nones after him, you could call up Dave notice. He'd return your call and do an interview. If you had something to ask him, if you're a reporter. It's been less like that Lou got here and Shanahan kind of learning from Lou decided, no, we're not going to do that. We're going to basically say this is like this is like a secret society and only we really know.

Right, exactly. And it's, it also with that has felt more and more corporate and more distant where like Burke, the problem Burke had was his teams weren't any good. Yes. Like that, like Burke was, was, it was a brilliant order. Like he was fun. He'd get you, he, you know, and he'd catch you. Like, I've interviewed him a lot of.

he didn't like a question, he'd basically tell you, or if you tried to catch him in some way or whatever, he'd go at you, and it was a show. It was like, all right, work's coming on. Like, let's see what he's got. And he'll tell you, and if he's pissed off or he's not happy about something, he's going to let you know. And it felt more like a conventional

kind of old school. It was a hockey club instead of a franchise. Right. You know, or a well-run organization. It was, it was a hockey club, and this is how we're going to do it. I'm going to tell you what I'm going to try to do, and I'm going to make mistakes, and you're going to hammer me, and so be it and then I'm going to get things right

and I'm going to gloat and you better let me and it was like all right let's go let's see what comes of it. The thing is if you're going to be a showman you're going to say all that kind of stuff you got to win you got to back you got to and that's my fear would be as I look to the future of the Maple Leafs and the way that maybe they are going to run the operation

is with Shanahan implementing all that stuff it did come with more success than they've had in like 20 years you know and they go to the place every single year and you know that may lead to whoever's running the operation to think, yeah, this is probably in our best interest.

Keep your nose clean, just go about your business, do your thing, say your thing, and go out there and play. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of funny, though. It's also the players, right? Like, the players set that tone a lot about how much they want to be exposed to the media. Like when, you know, like Austin Matthews,

you know, whatever you want to say about him, he's not really unnatural with the media. Right. Like he's never been overly comfortable. He's not the kind of guy who likes to sit at his locker and just, you know, shoot the breeze with reporters, and that's fine. You have your personality.

You've got to be who you are. You can't change who you are. But I mean, like when, you know, the first time they had that little bit of playoff success when they beat Tampa, they had Ryan O'Reilly in the room who was the kind of guy who would sit at his locker. Always talk.

Luke Schen would sit there and say, and what do you got? Yeah, Luke Shen love talking and love talking about the team and love, you know, and I think there was some kind of tension release because of that. You know, Shen was talking about how, hey, we're going, this team never went out to dinner on the road. We're going to take, we're going out to dinner on the road.

And we're having, like, hockey's fun, guys. Like, it's fun to be a member of an NHL team and we're going to make it fun. You know, and part of that was, it's fun to talk about hockey with the media. Because guess what? The media loves hockey. Generally, most of the people that write about hockey really love hockey and love talking about it and writing about it. So we can all kind of, if you all just kind of treat each other like your human beings that love hockey and want to talk about it, guess what there's less tension in the room there's less you know there's more fun in the room

uh i think o'reilly and and shen proved that and they actually had some success it didn't last long and they didn't last long here but you know like john taveris i mean he'll he'll chat but he's not exactly you know a great orator kind of a robo captain during his time as captain right saying the cliche stuff and the right stuff but kind of you know by sort of committed to memory and always the same thing or very close to you. I mean, Marner was kind of, yeah, he was in the right. Marna was the most uncomfortable. He was very uncomfortable.

And Willie just doesn't really care to do it, I think. Like Willie's, Willie's fine, he'll talk, he'll give you quick answers and he gets out of there. Yeah. No, Willie's always available. He's always, and he's happy to do it. He can always go up to him, and you can always go up to him, and you can ask him questions, but you better have a lot of them, because he's going to give you some pretty hard

answers. He's, he's well, he's well trained in that, you know, like he's an NHLers. kid, and it's going to be, yeah, we played well tonight. Yeah, we're plugging along. You know, that's what's going to come of it. But, you know, you look at modern sports, and I don't, again, I don't know if the

NHO community is ready for this. I do think there'd be a massive market for it. I think fans are ready for it. But, like, we've been talking about it with maybe the biggest story in the NFL right now, Michael Parsons. This guy's doing podcasts and streams and Jemond Green and Kevin Durant.

Like, would there ever be a leaf that would do that and would the team allow it you know they would if it was let's say it was matthews the team's not stopping him from doing it now that's not in his nature clearly he's a private guy

and he wants to do his own thing but like let's say easton Cowan turns into a player big personality and he's like I'm going to start streaming I'm going to start a podcast yeah like someone's going to do that you know it sounds like the Kach brothers were looking at doing it I think

barstow sports and said that they turn that down and they've got some offers. And those two, if they start, and you know what they're looking at, the Kelsey brothers and saying that could be us. A hundred million. Like the Kachuk brothers, they kind of know where this is going and who they are right now. And Matthew's on the face of EA sports and his brother. And I think Keith is a part of that too.

And you see what they did at the Four Nations. And now Matthews won back-to-back cuffs so he can really pop off and say whatever he wants, whenever he wants to. There's an avenue for it. Oh, yeah. And I'm just, you know, it doesn't. I wouldn't even know who to look to with the leaves. And they're not alone.

I don't know who I would look to at probably a handful of teams, maybe 10, 12, 15 teams in the league. I'm not sure who that guy would necessarily be. But I do think this market, I think they would relish that opportunity to have a kind of larger-than-life guy. Yeah, I think that's willing to just say what's on his mind and deal with it.

And I don't think Toronto would swallow that guy up. I don't think that's the reputation. like, oh, you just, you couldn't do that, and people would run you out of town. I don't believe that, especially if you play well and you play hard, and you're in a winning environment. And then you're honest when you lose, too. That's another part of it. Like, you've got to talk after the game seven collapse.

You know, you've got to be consistent if you're going to be out there. That's the thing. That's, like, I think the one thing with, when you look at the most successful guys in that field in the other sports, like Dremont, very successful, not afraid to talk, obviously, either to the media or in his own microphone. on his own podcast after games. But, and then, and the Kelsey brothers, they have, they have one thing of common.

They're champion players. Yep. You know, they've been, they're kind of beyond reproach in the way they approach the game and the way they play the game, right? Like they're, they're Hall of Famers. And so that gives you a platform.

You come to Toronto, you haven't won anything. But isn't that Micah Parsons? Yeah. The Cowboys are the Leafs. Yeah. Parsons is Matthews. I know.

Like, what is he won? What is he done? And he's like, I'm going, man. I'm just saying, like, that might be the problem. Yeah. Like, I, like, of guys in recent vintage who would probably do that in the right circumstances, like, Nazim Cadry comes to mind.

Yeah? I would listen to Nassum Kahn. I would listen to Nause. Having just read his book and wrote about his book last year, he's a really good book about his time in the NHL. Like, he's not afraid. No. I'm not afraid to tell you.

And Nas is a champion, man. As a champion. He's a champion. And, yeah, and listen, the, you know, the culture of hockey may not be conducive to it either. and like the kind of historical value the place and, you know, the team and you play for the name on the front instead of the back. But it's going to be too big. It's starting to change a little bit.

And again, I wonder if the Chuck brothers are the ones that are just going to break those walls down. Yeah. And they're just going to say, this is what we're doing. Like we're, if the Kelsey brothers can do it, we're doing it. And we're a legacy name in the sport. And this is the way it's going to go. Yeah.

And I'm curious if others follow. All right. Speaking of the Cowboys, we'll get into them as they continue their camp. What are the chances they can possibly be a playoff team this year? Davis Sanchez will join us in studio. We got the CFL on TSN kicking off tonight. A new week. We got the Argos at the Elks.

A game I think they can win. Yes. I think they can beat that team. So we'll catch up with Davis and we'll get his take on all that. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on the TSNM app. All right, overdrive continues. Powered by Fanduel, bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score.

Brian Hayes, Dave Festruck. Look who we have here, Davis Sanchez. joining us in studio. What's happening, Davis? How are you doing, man? You're wearing every hat. You got CFL, NFL. They say the more you could do, right?

That's right. That's right. That's it. And it gets me out of the house. Absolutely. And Dave, you were talking about the bills. Davis came in just immediately. You start hammering about the bills and expectations and what we think are going to happen this year for them.

I got a lot of Bill's fans of my life. And, of course, a lot of Bill's fan heartbreak racked up over the years. and I was just saying to Davis, like, I don't know, like the more you see this team come close and miss, come close and miss, you start to wonder, like, will they ever get over the hump and Hayes, you're saying it might be their year? How do you see it? The lack of, here's the thing, the lack of offseason moves is a good thing. Like, he's the loaded. That's the thing. You look at what the bills did in the offseason. They didn't do much. I mean, I think Joey Bose is a good signing. I think Harrison's a good young corner. But we don't. don't have to make a lot of moves. It's because you have a pretty good roster. Yeah. So, I mean, the problem with the Buffalo Bills is not, this is not groundbreaking, but

if the AFC is so damn difficult. Yeah. I mean, that's, this is a, this is a great team or an excellent team with a superstar quarterback. And just because of the Mahomes, the Burroughs, the Jackson's and the pieces around, it's just, I mean. Well, it's got a raptors running into LeBron field to it, right? because it is fairly acute.

It's Mahomes and the Chiefs that they have an issue. But why is that, you said this is their year? What's the difference? Well, here's what I think the Chiefs are, they're bound to take a step back personally. I think, I'm not convinced this, Travis Kelsey, I'm back in my prime

because I'm doing photo shoots and I tell you, I'm back in my prime, it's going to be legitimate. You know, we'll see what happens with Rice and what happens with him into the season. But I look at them, their defense has been stout. They still have spags. They still have what could be a top five, top seven defense.

But I just, they won so many one-score games last year. I think they were 10 and 0 or 11-0 in one-score. That's just, it's not going to happen again. And that division, I think, is better. Denver was probably the biggest surprise in the league last year or close to it. I think that continues. I think the Chargers, I worry about they just lost their tackle for a season. That's going to be troubling.

That's really, really big. But I think the Chargers is going to be pretty good. I think Pete Carroll and Vegas probably better than they were in. the past. So I just, I'm not convinced the Chiefs every single year are just going to be able to keep doing this. It just doesn't work that way. It didn't work with, like when Brady was in New England, it wasn't

every single year they go to the Super Bowl. Like he's, he's been doing interviews recently. He's like, when I first got in the league, three Super Bowl is my first four years, I thought this is nothing. He didn't win again for over a decade. It doesn't, it's never that easy. So I think Kansas City takes a bit of a step back. Buffalo's

chomping at the bit. I think they run away with the East. I think they end up with the top seat in the and everyone's got to go through Buffalo. I think that's a good setup for that. I'm seeing the vision here. I'm getting a sense here that you're just catering to your fan base here, Hay. That's part of it. I'm not buying this.

I'm not buying this. I'm not buying this BS at all. We're a huge in Western New York, man. We're big. It travels across the lake, but I like Buffalo. I mean, I'm not talking about some horrible team that's going to take off here. You're a, you're a Bill's fan. You fall the bills. I fall the bills.

We know what it is. I'll say this about the Chiefs real fast. the Eagles, what the Eagles did to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, that shouldn't be a surprise. And it should tell us something about the roster. Because they absolutely dominated the Chiefs. And to your point, all the things that we saw the Chiefs doing, the wins that they had that they probably shouldn't have,

it speaks to their greatness and to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed in crucial times. But what the Eagles did to them also speaks to the difference in rosters right now between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas Chiefs. Yeah, they, like the Eagles, I think, they deserve to be the prohibitive favors to win the Super Bowl again, I think. Well, that's what I'm saying. Is it the Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs that where the big golf is or is the Eagles and everyone else?

It's the Eagles and the Ravens are the two best teams in the NFL, in my opinion. Where are the weaknesses in those two teams? Yeah. And the scary part is if we look back in the history of football, you see great rosters with pretty good quarterbacks. These are two really good quarterbacks with great rosters. Yeah. Well, and that's like Lamar, you look at what he's done, Lamar Jackson, early in his career. He's already got two MVP's. He could have had a third one last year.

Like he was right there. It was him and Alan just going back and forth. You know, he doesn't turn the ball. He doesn't get hit that much anymore. You know, like that was the concern because he's not a big guy and he can run like early in his career. What if he just gets laid out? He doesn't allow himself to get hit. Very true. So, but he's got a reputation that Alan doesn't. Josh Allen has a reputation of he just can't beat Mahomes. And even in the games where he can't beat Mahomes, he's putting up stats and numbers.

Lamar's got a rep that he doesn't get it done in the playoffs. Right. Like that concerns me more than the bills. Right. Like, how do you marry the two where I hear what you're saying? Like the Ravens are stacked, but how do you have faith that Jackson is going to get it done in the biggest games? Because he's got to go through the same quarterbacks, the Allen's and the Mahomes and boroughs and other guys like that. Any of us by the fact that Lamar Jackson's playoff struggles are somehow, you know,

Lamar Jackson is not clutch. Lamar Jackson is shrinks in the biggest moments. I'm not, I'm not buying it. Do you buy that? I mean, he hasn't been transcendent in big games. But it's, to me, I ask the question because I think it's circumstantial. Okay. I don't think it's because Lamar Jackson does not, doesn't have a clutch gene in him.

I don't think it's because Lamar, you know, chokes in big moments. I think it's circumstantial. So for that reason, Hayes, I don't, I don't worry about. you know, the Ravens in the playoffs or Lamar the play. Well, and it is in some ways the nature of the sport. You get like one game and if you're not ready to play, you're out, right? It's like, in a best of seven, you may have

a struggling game one and be great in game two and three and four. In football, you don't have it. But it probably also speaks to just what Mahomes has established so early in his career that the bar is so high. For Lamar, for the evaluation of Lamar and Josh Allen and Joe Borough, you know,

these other three quarterbacks who like have all great, all-time great talents. You know, like when you look at the statistics and how fun they are to watch play. Like, Alan, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, in my opinion, are the two most entertaining players

in the game. You can't, you can't stop watching them play. They are a blast to watch, and they win, and their stats are incredible, and their leaders, and you know. But you look at Mahomes. But then it's Mahomes. The home's highlight real and big games might be the most entertaining

thing to watch. Like, this guy's ever. Unbelievable. believable place. Yes. In the biggest moments. Right. Exactly. Those other guys I'm not sure they have. Yeah. I mean, Allen's had some moments, but then they were ripped away from them in some circumstances by Mahomes.

Exactly. You left 13 seconds on the clock. Or by his own coaching staff. And by his, and by his defense, which, again, I don't know if the bills fans in which, I'm a believer in the bills, that's the thing. I don't know if they answered all the questions. I mean, look at look at the secondary of the Buffalo bills. And I say,

It's a great roster. But when you have Trudevius White, Pistled in as your starter, not to say he can't have a bounce back, but I question that. You have Maxwell Harrison, who has never played a snap in the NFL and is 5'11. I have some questions about that. Even Benford's a sixth rounder who's been excellent, but he's still a six-round physical talent. It's still of a six-rounder. So there's just more questions than the others.

but Josh Allen, his great, just seems to answer a lot of the questions or maybe camouflage some of the questions. Well, that's the thing. Like, he's so good. He's so good. David Sanchez in studio. So the Eagles clearly the top team in the NFC. Is it Detroit's clear cut number two for you?

Or, you know, like how wide open is the NFC beyond Philly, in your opinion? I think Detroit is right there. Yeah. And again, I would look at Detroit. Same thing. Defensively, Detroit has some questions. But, yeah, Detroit's right there with Philly. And then I think there's a gap.

Who are our third and four teams? Is it the Rams, the Packers, I think, would be up there? Packers probably make a case. You believe in the commanders again? You've got to have the box. Could they, you know, it's a weak division in the NFC South. There's got to be some serious concerns about Matthew Stafford. Yeah.

Fact of, you know, a lower back, we, you know how the back is. And the fact, he takes one hit. That's, I'm concerned with that, but it would be the Rams and it would be the pack. Yeah. But, yeah, I'm concerned. I would not, any futures bets, which I don't love anyway, but any futures, I would fade the Rams heavily because

they don't even know the numbers right now. That's the issue. Or they have injury. If staff, I mean, it applies to any team. If you're starting quarterback, for the Rams, I don't even know who the back. I couldn't tell you who it is. Yeah, it better be somebody good because he might get some snaps.

But, yeah, that division will be interesting. Like, you look at the 49ers, and now Brock Purdy's been paid and, you know, he's getting serious money now. So he's got to play up to that cap hit. It's no longer $850,000 or $900,000. It's now $52 million or $53 million. And they had six wins last year.

They finished dead last in the NFC West. A lot of injuries. They got Robert Solid back, defensive coordinator. I think that's fairly significant. I don't know where you stand on bringing a coordinator like that back. Yeah, me too, as a D.C. for sure. I'm curious about what they do this year. Like McCaffrey, you talked about Stafford.

McCaffrey just feels like he's always one pivot away from blowing his Achilles or tearing a calf or something. He'll be heading to Munich, Germany. He's done that flight to Munich a few times. He and Austin love it over there. And it's Jimmy G., by the way. Jimmy Garoppolo. Oh, okay. Back in the West Coast.

I didn't know that off hand. I had no idea of Garoplo was the backup. That does not make me sleep well at night if I'm Sean McVeigh. He's competent. Garoplo might give you five stars. Maybe you can get you two or three wins. We could all, we could know one thing for sure. You go across NFL and take injuries to a quarterback out of the conversation

because soon as you have an injured quarterback, the whole dynamic of your team changes, that's going to be for, what, 30 teams? Yes. So, I mean, yeah. No question. David Sanchez in studio, CFL and TSN tonight. The Argos are out west. They're in Edmonton tomorrow night.

And we've been kind of waiting for them to, like, turn this corner a little bit. We had Ryan Dinwiddie on a couple weeks ago, and he had mentioned that they've got to create chaos to get back into the dance. And at that point, they had just beaten Winnipeg. And he felt like, okay, that's somewhat chaotic, and we feel like we're maybe moving the right direction. And since then, it hasn't necessarily gotten their way. But tomorrow's one, it's basically a must win,

but I'm guessing the Elks are probably saying the same thing, right? Like both teams kind of, if you can't beat Edmonton, if you're to Toronto, if you can't beat the Argos, if you're the Elks, who are you going to beat in this league? Can we talk about Ryan did with his comments, post game. Did you happen to see his rant post game basically calling his group

or some guys in the group pretenders? That's strong language. I mean, to come out and say we have some pretenders in this locker room after a loss, I don't know, I mean, he's earned that. He's been a pretty good coach, but I don't

know, there's got to be some teetering on, are you losing the room? Is there, I just say he's lost the room, but there's got to be some guys in that room that don't take too kindly to being called a pretender. And then that, that, I'm going to see how, I would like to see how to respond tomorrow. Yeah, that feels like a nuclear option for a coach, right? Yeah. Right. To be like, I've, I've tried everything else. I'm, I'm going to zap you with like the integrity of a professional, you know, like.

So I'll tell you now, as a vet, yeah. That's not fueling me. No. To tell me, I'm a pretender. I'm looking at you like, and especially no disrespect to Ryan DeWty, he's a quarterback. You're calling someone a pretender, and I like Ryan, and he's a good coach. You call him someone to pretend. That's not a missing, missing reads or, you know, bad throws. You're saying that you're not coming to play. You're getting your butt-wipped, and you're not good enough.

That's a quarterback saying that to a bunch of defensive linemen and offensive line. I don't know how that stands, but if I'm a vet, I'm not going out there tomorrow and want to throw it on the line. Instead, I might lean the other way and be pissed. The young guys might buy it, but I'll think of it. But is that speaking to delusional opinions of themselves? Chad Kelly's been quoted in a podcast saying he's a top 32 NFL quarterback. I mean, he was the MOP of the CFL a couple of years ago,

but he hasn't done anything since. I mean, is his sense of self maybe a little bit out of whack? Yeah, I would say absolutely. I mean, I mean, ever, listen, I'm not sure what universe he's living in if he believes is the top 32 NFL quarterback considering he doesn't really have a resume, he's saying his resume speaks for itself. I mean, is he talking about his college football resume from a decade ago? Chad's, I think he's, like, he's a confident guy.

Yeah. He's clearly a confident guy. You know, he's an SEC quarterback, and I think he's probably looked at his career and thought he deserved opportunities or didn't take advantage of past opportunities. it's tough to say that, though, to your point, when you haven't played in a long time. And last year, he was riddled with controversy. Yeah.

He was suspended for a long time. You know, so, um, that, that, like you, you, you weren't,

he didn't win the great cup last year. No. Like, he wasn't playing in that game. Yeah, so. I believe the, the,

the lap performance before that was not a good one. Is that I believe. Well, right, he went in. Yeah, exactly. And it's,

I don't know. I think, I'm all for confidence. Yeah. I get it. And, And you've got to sell yourself first because no one else going to sell yourself. But, you know, if you're a top 64 quarterback in the league, you're in camps right now in the States.

Like, that's just a fact. If you're top 32, you're in a uniform every single Sunday in the National Football League. They got taped down there. He's not, look, he's not hurting anybody by saying that because it has no reflection on his current team or anybody else. That's a personal thing for Chad. Right. You're pumping your own tire. Good for him.

And he is a gamer. So Chad's a gamer. There's no question. I mean, so whether he is or he isn't, that's for, we don't have to decide that he, if he believes it, he believes it. Yeah. But if he's going to play this year, I mean, and they're two and seven. Is there, like, do you see a path to a rebound here?

I don't think so. No, I mean, that's the two and seven, you're in. And defensively, they're terrible. Like, Chad Kelly can't, he's not playing on the other side of the ball. I mean, even offensively, Nick Arbuck, who's playing now, has been pretty good, but he's been sacked, I think more than anybody else. He's thrown, I think he's up to the top of interception.

So they're winning and not in traditional ways, so I wouldn't, I think they're in trouble. Yeah, and tomorrow night, I think that may be the nail in the coffin. You come home from Evanston, you're 2 and 8? You want the Gold Star Lockhees? Yeah, what do you got tonight? I got the Ottawa Red Blacks tonight. Red Blacks on the Money Line.

I think it's, what we got, I think we got, I think we got three and that, plus three and a half, I believe I see. I like that right now. You're taking the points right now? The red blacks are pretty good. Okay. There are some holes in that Winnipeg team, and the red blacks are better than expected.

I like it. There's a free. There's a free one. Free one. On the points tonight. First one's free. Davis Sanchez, hooking us up. We're taking the points tonight.

Go red blacks. All right, it's great seeing you, man. Appreciate you. Thanks for doing this. There's Davis Sanchez. Our football analyst, CFL, NFL, he does it all here. Overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSNN. All right, thanks again to David Sanchez for joining us.

Into the next hour, I've got a hazy bees list. The five Super Bowl or bus teams, the definitive list, the five Super Bowl or bus teams in the NFL this season. So we'll get to that. And I've also been putting together a couple of different things based on, I guess the great Serge Sivard was talking about Lane Hudson, pumping Lane Hudson's tires in Montreal, easy to do, considering the rookie campaign he had.

and saying that he might be the most talented player the Habs have had since Gila Fleur. Yeah. Which is quite the statement considering they won a Stanley Cup in 1986 and 1993. Patrick Waugh

was on the team. Gary Price. The best goal in the world for a while. P.K. Sue Ben won a Norris A Norris trophy. Alex Kovlov was a stud for them for a while. Pretty damn talented. Yeah. But Sir Savard, he knows a thing or two about winning, about being a great Montreal Canadian, about talent,

talent evaluation. So pretty interesting comments there from search. So we'll get into that more into the next hour as well. So we've got a couple of lists. We've got a couple of different things going on into the next hour. We're tracking the J's, of course, as well. Dave Festruck in here on Brian Hayes. Hour two up next. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on the TSN out. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fandul. Fandul, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. The biggest songs in the world. You've heard them countless times.

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