OverDrive - OverDrive - August 17, 2026 - Hour 1 - Trey Wingo

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

Join Aaron Korolnek and Keegan Matheson for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Blue Jays' series win against the Yankees, Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s lack of home run power and the series with the Rays. The Wingo Network CEO Trey Wingo joins to dive into Scottie Scheffler's season dominance, the FedEx Cup playoffs, the Cowboys' season trajectory and Steve Ballmer's role in Kawhi Leonard's investigation.

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Bell, connection is everything. Hour of Overdrive is powered by Fandool. Fan Duel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All Monday afternoon as we welcome you into Overdrive. We're live on TSN5, TSN1050, and TSN's YouTube channel. My name is Aaron Kronick and for Brian Hayes, joined by my new friend, Kagan-Hadison, who I just met for the first time 30 minutes ago. But do you look even more resplendent in person than on the radio when I usually speak to you?

It's amazing for our viewers that we are both better looking in person. There's a filter on these cameras. I'm not quite sure. But normally when I'm talking to AK, it is, what, 825 in the morning? Yeah, it's early, but we got the afternoon shift. Which is your afternoon, I guess. But I have just woken up to an 820 alarm. And, you know, I'm just making a coffee.

I've barely got a shirt on. So this is a little better. This is a little clearer. A major upgrade. And, you know, when I was told that you and I'd be working together, in the middle of August, maybe a month ago. It was very excited, and then, of course, the Toronto Blue J season fell apart.

And seemingly two weeks ago today, the trade deadline, it looked like it was over. They were going through the motions. They were more sellers than they were buyers. And all of a sudden, we sit here, Kagan, after the Jays take two or three from the Yankees, took three of four from the Boston Red Sox. The J's in this murky mush of mid

in the American League wild card race. That was a lot of M's, very impressive, broadcasting there. Just a game out. A day off today, three against the race starting tomorrow night, then three in the Bronx against the Yankees. This is a playoff push that I was not expecting. I don't think anyone really was.

Neither was I. And I'm so surprised by this. And I think that's an important part that I'm trying to stay in right now. You know, we want to explain baseball. We're desperate to explain baseball and put numbers on it. And to sound smart.

You know, that's why I often can't stand how baseball is covered because there's this urge to sound like you either see something coming or when it happens you saw it coming all along. I'm surprised by this. I did not see this coming whatsoever and I still want to have that

sense of wonder where baseball can surprise and amaze me. This team is not amazing me. My God, they still have a losing record, let's not go too wild, but they're surprising me now and that's why you watch 500 hours of ball every summer. They might surprise you every once in a while and this team

has a different energy right now, man. It is fun to be around. It is at least loosely watchable. And the AL Wildcard standings, man, I always say, my only thing I like more than a dive bar is a low bar, and this is a low bar in the wild card right now. It is unbelievable, the ineptitude in the American League. I mean, everybody is so incredibly average,

and there really hasn't been anyone who's taking it, or it's just that. You take it one day. You take Texas, just been brutal of late. They can't stop losing. They have a bunch of injuries now that they're dealing with.

And when you look at the Jays, I think the one thing that they have versus the litany of other mid teams in the chase for the third spot in the American League wildcard is four quality starters. Four guys that you can at least rely on every fifth day. And depending on how you look at Max Scherzer, who's been better of late,

Shane Bieber. No one else really has that. But the thing that I still struggle with when I use the word sustainability over these final 36 games is the offense, which has actually been worse in the month of August than it was previously. And Vlad Jr.'s on the IL.

We'll get to him a little bit later, a rather unfortunate anniversary for Vlad, but he leaves the game over the weekend. He's on the seven-day concussion injured list. So we're not going to see him for this week. And, I mean, it's just Bateman and McAdoo and like your names that you could have never fathom that are contributing

in ways that frankly Vlad Jr. couldn't. So can this continue for another 36 games? Like, they probably need to play a couple games over 500 baseball to make the playoffs the way that this is going. And if they get the pitching, the bullpen work that they've been getting, I suppose it's possible, but they're going to need to get some offense at some point. And I just don't know where it's going to come from. They need to hit some damn home runs.

Where is that coming? Please. That is the thing I struggle with the most is I look at this team. I mean, Glad's not doing it. Springer's been terrible in August. Herc's been great. Okamoto, hit and miss, more miss than hit. It's just where is the slug coming from? And how are they going to produce offense? You can't win 3-1 games every night for a month.

It's just not going to happen. Yeah, the lineup is built. Really, this whole organization is built for there to be seven or eight contact hitters in the lineup. And Vlad, hitting 40 home runs, which is only done once. And it doesn't look like he's doing anytime soon. And you see this with all of their acquisitions, with the types of players they bring in, whether it be Brett Bateman in a trade, guys they target like Gurney Clement, they are looking for contact hitters who put the ball in play, run decent, even though they're not a speedy team.

If you're going to play that brand of baseball, you need to be perfect, which is a frustrating way to live. The rays do it close to perfectly because they're very fast. They're airtight on defense. They never make the first mistake. And the Blue Jays have played a bit that way this week. But I would love to cover a 7-to-1 baseball game where someone hits a three-run home run in the second inning. And I can start to write a story saying the Blue Jays... You're getting tortured night after night.

It is. It's a bit... I mean, tragedy. I know across this country, people are kneeling and weeping. But all of these two-to-one baseball games are also torching your bullpen. Mason Flew Hardy leads the league in appearances. Braden Fisher, whose workload I worry about is number five in the league. Louis Varlane's up there. That won't last.

So you can't waste this good pitching because the bar is so low, again, you don't need to be the best lineup in baseball. You need to be decent. Just average. And you can waltz into the playoffs. Like if the Blue Jays do not make the playoffs, it's their own fault. It's right in front of it. It's wide open. You got to score. You have to. And that's something they haven't been doing. And yet they've been winning nonetheless. They are 10 and 6 in the month of August. And they've been one of the worst offensive teams in the month regarding. Now, the course pitching has been excellent. Excellent.

I mentioned Max Scherzer. His last three starts have been really quality. Bieber still kind of confused as to why no one traded for him. He's looking a little bit like he's thinking, oh, maybe I could make a bunch of cash. He's making a few bucks, exactly. Yeah, he probably wants to be finishing this season on the high note. And then you've got Jose Soriano was excellent. He'll pitch the opener tomorrow night against the Tampa Bay Rays.

And it brings us to Dylan C's. who was outstanding, once again yesterday against the angst, didn't get the win. I feel like that's like the eighth time this year he's thrown a gem, and he hasn't been able to pick up the win. But you look at the potential of a Seas versus Schlittler game on Friday night, which could set the stage for the AL-Sai Young. It's just unbelievable. You look at Seas and you look at Rogers, you look at Okamoto,

the three big free agent acquisitions. And if I told you that these guys would be having the seasons that they had, and the Blue Jays would still be in the position they'd be in. You'd say, no, no, that's impossible. Jays signed the Sy Young Award winner. They side one of the best and most effective relievers and they signed this guy out of Japan for 15 mil a year who might hit 30 bombs and they're not going to make the playoffs.

Correct, that is possible. But it just goes to show the underperformance we've seen from so many of the guys we thought were locks, including Vladimir Guerrero Jr., who, again, is celebrating an anniversary today. The last regular season home run he hit was one year ago. go today, I believe 333 days. So congratulations to Vlad, who's recovering from a concussion, we believe. I guess he's on the concussion aisle. So what do you think the likelihood is? We see him when that stint is up and he's eligible to actually return and perhaps hit a home run at home

at some point in the not too distant future. About time. Yeah. With Vladdy, he right away had symptoms. Like he had a headache that night and a headache the next day. So that at least means that this is not just hyper cautious, which I've got all the time in the world for. John Schneider's had seven concussions in the minors, and he said probably a few more. So if there's one manager who's sensitive to it as well, it's him. And when I hear that he does have those more obvious symptoms, we'll see. You know, if Vladdy could wake up today with no headache at all, then two days from now have a setback. It's not a linear thing, which is troubling.

But I hope that Vladdy gets past this quickly. Anytime there's a head injury, I'm wary of that. But when he's back, I hope that a few days. days just like sitting on the couch in the dark can help his whole body, right? He's had the back thing all year. He had the hamstring. He's always got a knee and a wrist thing going on. He's a big boy. And when you are rumbling around out on that field with Vladdy's frame, it impacts your body a little bit differently than if you're Brett Bateman. He's a big guy playing on that turf a lot. If he can come back fresh, that's a start. But we were just talking

about this for SC. Like I need to see it at this point. I'm past the point where I'm just blindly believing in. Oh, we are so far past that point. Again, I don't really think anyone expects Vlad Jr. to come back and start raking. Like, I don't think there's any indication or any reason to believe that is going to happen. Could it happen? Yes, because you keep on hearing, all it takes is one swing. And you never know your timing connects. It's a mental game, confidence, yada, yada, yada, but again, we're talking, we're 125 games. Yeah. Like, come on. Long enough. This is like, yeah, it's probably not happening. And I would be stunned if there was anything Vladdy could do to salvage this season.

Sure, if he goes on some prodigious tear down the stretch, comes back and leads the Blue Jays into the playoffs, he's ripping bombs in Chicago, in the wildcard round, whatever. I mean, listen, it's a possibility. I just cannot see it happening. Because, again, the sample size is there. This is not the first month of the season. Oh, slow start.

Oh, okay. Like, we are in this. And I love to believe it. But if the Blue Jays are going to make the playoffs, they are not looking at Vlad as their aircraft carrier anymore. At one point they absolutely would have looked at him, but there's just no way you could consider what we've seen from him for the preponderance of the season and say,

this guy is going to be the one that leads us to the promised land. Can't be the only plan anymore. And listen, I'm not saying Vladie's toast. I mean, my God, people are going to enjoy a lot of the next 14 years, I promise you. But for this year, for the next six weeks, the plan can no longer be, let's stay afloat until Vlad's. saves the day because I don't see the signs. Like I really don't recently. Vladdy is a timing

hitter and I always compared to Aaron Judge as an opposite. Aaron Judge for people listening, they can picture just that simple swing. He drops his foot, turns his body through the zone, the ball goes a billion feet. Vladdy has more orchestration in his. There's the toe tap, the lift, the timing, the hip flip, his hands. There's so much more going on. And when you lose that, my God, do you lose it? And he's lost it, Rakey. now. When it comes back, it will happen very quickly, but I haven't seen the signs lately. And for all the times, and sometimes part of me almost feels bad when I have to keep asking John Schneider the same question about Vladdy. These days, I just kind of say, John, Vlad. And he

knows the deal. He's like, all right, Keegan, I know this is why you get paid $4 a day to ask me about this. Let's play this game. But even with the conversations we've had with Vladdy through the season, you know, I spoke with him a month or so ago, and he had the quotes, When I get hot, I'll get hot, don't worry about me. Mitch Bannon at the Atlantic had a good story on Vlad a week or so ago, and he said, it's coming. You know, I trust in God, and when he decides, and I don't know if he's an overdrive listener, but maybe it's time to decide that.

It's been a long time, and you cannot leave it to hope and whimsy at this point anymore where you say it's coming. It's long past overdue. So if that is the case, and I think everybody who's been watching this baseball team, knows that it is, that you can't rely on Vlad to be the guy who's going to carry you there, you can't rely on George Springer, the guys last year that were the heart of the lineup

and who were incredible. How do they do it? Again, the sustainability of some things that have been working in the month of August, I question. And I look at the bullpen, the usage is just ridiculous for so many of these guys. Some of these starting pitchers have really performed

well. Simeon Woods Richardson, things allowed one run in 15 innings as a J. That's not going to sustain itself. This guy's not Greg Maddox. They got him for a song. Not quite. No. So, again, what is the formula for this team playing 550 baseball and making the playoffs in their final 36 games?

If it's not having Vlad and Springer act as the catalyst. You just need to steal a few games, frankly, at this point. That's the difference over 36 games between going 22 and 24 or 25 and 21. That's it. That's just, that's a few plays. And that's why I find myself going crazy about how the Blue Jays have gotten here, because over 120-some baseball games, there's been enough of them. All they had to do was come up with a few hits along the way.

And they're comfortably in a playoff spot right now. If Vladie had 15 home runs. Easy playoff. And we're still talking about that being a bad year. Right. The bar is not high. It's not high at all. It's in the dirt.

But I think looking down the stretch, you just need to steal a few. This bullpen I worry about very much. The rotation, can they sustain this? We'll see, close enough. This is all about the lineup. It's completely on the lineup. Vladdy will see. George Springer is obviously playing hurt right now.

He looked awfully hurt there in the Sunday finale. He did that all last year. Nobody's going to take an I-L stint, I don't think. But you need someone to step up. Maybe that's Charles McAdoo. Cas Okamoto has a heater here down the stretch. It's got to be power. I know I keep coming back to the same answer,

but my God, if you hit a three-run home run, the rest of the game doesn't matter. You can have a bullpen reliever come in and allow two runs. It doesn't matter because you went deep, and they're missing that. And this is essentially this team's identity at this point, right? You've got to play a three-two game and find a way to win it. You get a great start from Thes, Soriano, Scherzer, Bieber.

Maybe Trey is Savage if he comes back miraculously. the guys like Spencer Miles have been unbelievable. Farland and Rogers in the eight, nine rolls. I can't waste this stuff, either, man. There's been so much good this year from the pitching perspective. The fact that you have Varland and Rogers with sub two ERAs, virtually untouchable all year long, Dylan Cease, this season has been ridiculous. The seventh pitcher in franchise history with a 200-plus strikeout season,

he's got to have a hell of a lot more than 200 strikeouts this year. I can tell you. The list, Roy Halliday, did it three times. Roger Clemens did it twice. Kevin Gosman did it twice. Robbie Ray did it. A.J. Burnett did it, my personal favorite, Brandon Morrow. Bang. Did it back in 2011. I actually went on a YouTube deep dive of Brandon Morrow's start against the race where he went eight and two-thirds and had the no-hitter going. And Aaron Hill had that ball where he dove to his lap. And I was so close.

I think it's 17 strikeouts in that game. I was mistaken. So incredible stuff from him. That's the type of company that Dylan sees has joined here in Toronto. He's having one of the best pitching seasons in Toronto Blue Jays history, they cannot waste this. No. You've got to give Dill and cease the opportunity to throw in meaningful games down the stretch. And I think he will. It's just a matter of how meaningful these games will be because, again,

the Blue Jays have put themselves in a position, four games under 500 with 36 games to go where you cannot be having any type of prolonged losing streaks. Because you know at some point, one of these teams, and I have the list right here, Baltimore, Texas, Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland, even Seattle's within striking. They are. That's a team that would scare me.

Yeah. Because they have really good pitching. Pitching's elite. Cal Raleigh. You talk about Vladdy here in Toronto. Can you imagine what they're saying on Seattle overdrive about Cal Raleigh? Not good. Who did hit a home run, but I believe he hit more home runs last year than he has hits this year,

which is a bad stat, a bad stat to have. So there's a lot of teams vying for this final wildcard spot. Toronto's in the mix. but they just got to find some hits. And how they do it, it's going to be a night-to-night adventure. I look forward to watching it tomorrow night against Tampa. A very tough test against a team that is just loaded with great arms.

You know that's going to be a three-one game one way or the other. Because, again, Soriano's pitching for the Jays, and you've got potentially cease going up against the Yanks this weekend. Scherzeer-Beber this week as well. It's really intriguing. And it's right there for him. But as you said, it's incumbent on the Toronto Blue Jays to take it because the opportunity is there.

Oh, absolutely. Please somebody get hot. Somebody get hot. One of these 16th get hot. That's exactly it. And I suppose we're going to wait and find out to see if they do. Again, tomorrow night Jays against Tampa. But I did mention it's the anniversary of Glad's last home run in Toronto.

I saw you tweet about that this morning. I was like, boy, that is a long time to go without a home run. That's bleak. 333 days before a Vlad Jr. home run at home in the regular season. Now, he had a bunch of them in the playoffs.

Was outstanding in the place? That's what makes it so frustrating. Because that version of... I don't think people are being genuine when they argue about Vladdy. Because I think people want to compete to sound the angriest and that doesn't interest me. His talent hasn't gone away.

He's just totally lost this year. Yeah. Like, this isn't who Vladdy is forever. It's not going to be. I think he'll come back next year, both middle fingers up and light the league on fire. I really do think he will. But the fact that he did that in the postseason, in between all of this, I will remember that for the rest of my life because he felt inevitable.

Like I remember back in 2017 and 2018 when Vladdy was in Lansing, Michigan, and Manchester and New Hampshire, and we'd be watching grainy, ugly videos on Twitter of this teenage Vladdy, just clowning pitchers. It was one of the only times in my life where I've seen a hitter in control of an at bat. And it's the rarest thing in all of baseball. Last year in the playoffs, he did that again, man.

And it's so rare and it's so special. Like, I truly think he is such a special player, truly special. And to see him lose that, it's baffled me. This goes back to what we were saying off the top. I didn't see this coming. I can't pretend to sound smart. It came

out of nowhere, and I'm stunned. We are still here, man. This whole season, just shake your head for the Jays. But it's still salvageable if they can find a way to get hot down the stretch against Jays and Ray's coming up tomorrow night. A day off for Toronto. I did see the fantasy football extravaganza that you were covering

yesterday. That piqued my interest more than the baseball. I cover enough baseball. For a lot of people, and it does, it is amazing. The vibes, people talk about the vibes. Remember when Kevin Gosman got traded, he was talking about how things changed in the clubhouse. The mentality wasn't the same, and then of course they started winning ball games.

Everyone is loving everyone. It seems like everyone's all smiles. Take us through exactly what happened with this fantasy football draft order. You could see it up here on TSN5 and TSN's YouTube channel. Look at all the smiles, the habit. So take us through. What is this thing that they've got going on here? So what we're watching here is I had just gotten to the press box. This was like 10.30 in the morning. I was almost as energetic as Brayden Fisher, whatever's going on there. That boy's got some energy. And I was up in the press box. I saw this forming around the mound. And it was

early. Let's be honest. I texted downstairs to one of the Blue Jays PR pros. I was like, do I need to care about this? And they said, no, it's the fantasy football thing. Don't bother coming downstairs. That's right up your alley. I watched it. And, you know, truly what I'm most passionate about. And what the Blue Jays did was they had players draw names out of a hat for like support staff. They had in full uniform their, their travel manager who does all their travel, which is like the coolest but also hardest job in an MLP organization. No doubt. They had their replay guys, some of the pitching coaches. I think Sam Green hit 90 miles an hour on the. gun. So he got the number one overall pick for, I think, Kazokoato.

I had no idea. Okamoto was an NFL guy. I mean, he's got to be if he's not already. That's a column for MLB.com. There we go. Okamoto and his favorite NFL team, whose favorite players are, maybe fantasy football advice with Kaz Okamoto. Here we go. And I don't care who's going one-on-one, like if it's Beijon or Jemir Gibbs, whatever. I want to know, like, is Caso Komoto a savant? He's waiting, he's going with the round 10 quarterback in the late wide receiver.

He's looking for Bayshell Tootin in the seventh round. So high on Rachel Tootin. But these are the lighter moments that, like, when you're, I've covered losing teams. I've covered teams where guys have given up. I've covered teams where guys can't stand the manager. I've been around them all. And that stuff doesn't happen on those teams. Those are the teams where guys are just kind of huddled up in their lockers and they show up an hour before the game and try to get out of there.

And I get it. But the Js have struck gold. And I really do think that a lot of this comes from John Schneider. I know how eager people are to hear about what John Snyder. is doing well these days. But I do think that the energy he's sending into this team works. I keep comparing it to

like a travel ball team and you're 12 years old and you show up and you just say, screw it. Whoever gets a hit in the first game, bats lead off in the second game. The rest of the stuff hasn't worked this year. Bateman and Maccadu will see it. One, two. May as well. Every day. Can't get any worse. I think this works, man.

Yep. And if if your best plans don't work out, don't just lay down and hope they do. The Blue Jays are doing something different and I think that is to be commended. I kind of like it lately. Tray Wingo standing by, we'll talk some NFL with Trey, the Dallas Cowboys, adding a future

Hall of Fame pass rusher to their equation. How much? A cowboys move. Does that change? Yeah, a little Hakee Olajuwon on the Raptors vibe for Von Miller. We'll get to that with Tray plus Scotty Sheffler winning the first playoff tournament on the FedEx Cup playoffs, something I

truly despise the FedEx Cup playoffs. But we'll get to that with Trey Ryan Dempster just after 5 o'clock as well. I'm Aaron Coralick. That's Keegan Matheson. You're watching and listening to Overdrive on TSN5 and TSN-1050. Overdrive continues.

We're brought to you by Fandul bringing you more ways to play your game your way. Aaron Coralick, Keegan Matheson, with you until 6pm. We're live on TSN5. TSN 1050 and of course on TSN's YouTube channel. Kegan, hands up if you knew that, Vaughn Miller at 9

sacks last year for the Washington commanders. Hands down. And I was like, really? Nice. Slowly shipping away of the sack total. And I guess Washington was kind of irrelevant last year, right? Jay and Daniels gets hurt. They don't perform nearly as well as they did in the previous season when they got to the NFC

championship game. But maybe Von Miller's got a little bit of juice left. At least Jerry Jones thinks so. And he opts assigned Von Miller to the Dallas Cowboys. So we'll see what type of impact that that can make. But Dallas is a team that has definitely reshaped their defense. We know the offense is going to be very good.

So that's just yet another major storyline ahead of the National Football League. Let's welcome in a man who covers the National Football League as well as anyone. He is Trey Wingo. The Wingo Network CEO Inside Football Show, which we encourage you to check it out. What's up, Trey? Hey, guys. How are you? Doing very well, thank you. What was your take when you saw that Vaughn Miller sign with the Cowboys?

How significant is this for Dallas's defense in your estimate? Well, it's depth. I mean, I think that if we're just being honest about it, he's another depth piece. For a Cowboys defense, that was arguably the worst defense in the history of the Dallas Cowboys franchise last season. I mean, you can't sugarcoat it. That's how bad they were. They were awful.

They gave up more points than better than before. They gave up more yards. They couldn't stop the run. They couldn't rush the passer. Now, it is a completely different defense this year. You know, the Quinn and Williams pick up last season at the trade deadline. They signed him to a deal. He's settling in nicely.

They also have, still have Kenny Clark, which they got from the Michael Parsons deal. They got Roshan and Gary this offseason. They have had real success in picking up linebackers. And now they have a rotation of pass rushers. Yeah. Vaughn had nine sacks last year. Again, the quietest nine sacks you'll ever see, because as you guys said, the commanders weren't what the commanders weren't.

2024, but, you know, depth is where you really, really can separate yourself as a past rush unit. And they got guys they can rotate in. And, you know, they get the Caleb Downs of safety in the first run of the draft, which a lot of people were stunned that he was there for him. If this Dallas defense guys is just middle of the road, they have an excellent football team. I mean, their offense is off the charts. It was great last year. They just couldn't stop anybody. So if you can say, okay, with the addition of Von Miller and Caleb Downs and Christian Parker, the D.C. that comes over from Philadelphia and all these other pieces, can we be average defensively? And they can create a lot of problems for a lot of teams.

Trey, whether people are Cowboys fans or not, I feel like you're going to get stuck watching a lot of Dallas Cowboys on those primetime games this year. And they're a fun team. You're going to get some 34 to 31 football games along the way. I'm curious your thoughts on that offense this year, whether George Pickens can recreate what he did last year in that great season alongside CD Lamb. And if you think this offense with Dak Prescott, even as another gear, if their defense maybe tease them up once or twice. Yeah, let's start with the first part of that, which is you're going to see the Cowboys.

You'll always going to see Cowboys, even when they're bad. Okay, like, for example, the Thanksgiving Day game last year between the Chiefs and the Cowboys, two teams that did not make the playoffs was the most watched regular season game in NFL history. Fifty-four million people watch that game. And the most watched regular season game before that was a game two years ago on Thanksgiving between the Cowboys and the Giants. People always say, oh, I'm so sick of watching the Cowboys. You're liars, okay, because you keep tuning in. And people say, well, they put them on these national holidays. Okay, but that doesn't mean you have to watch. You hate them. Then why do they keep getting the highest numbers for all these time slots?

So, yeah, you're going to see the Cowboys until it's proven that people don't watch. As for how good this offense can be, you know, it's interesting, right? Because Pickens really took off when CD got hurt. So there wasn't a ton of time last year that these two guys were on the field at the same time. And there's two ways to look at that, right? You can say, well, you know, CD's number one. Pickens proved he can be a number one. Imagine what two number ones can do together.

And that's a really optimistic way of looking at it. And maybe it's the most logical way. But I got to say, there's a part of me. I'm curious to see how these two coexist. And they've gotten together off the field and done a bunch of stuff together. They've created some really bizarre golf content. If you want to go look at it on their YouTube pages, it's kind of wild. But, okay, if one's getting fed more than the other, how's that going to go, right?

Because you always, it's like the best way to describe it, I don't know if I want two number ones. I'd rather have a 1 and someone who knows he's a 1A, right? And that's the only problem I see with this offense. The tight end is good. The line is young. They're really solid. And I think they got a decent running game with the backs they have. My only concern for the cowboy offense is obviously everybody's staying healthy.

But, okay, what happens if suddenly C.D. is getting 70-30 or Pickens is getting 60-40. I'm curious to see how that dynamic plays out. But that's the only flaw I can see in the offense. Trey, I think we can all agree that professional sports has gotten increasingly soft over the years, load management and basketball. Goalies don't play back-to-back games in the NHL. And now in the NFL, Jeremiah Love, the horror has 14 touches in a preseason game, and yes, he gets hurt, and all of a sudden, people are yelling and streaming at the Arizona Cardinals

for mismanaging the third overall pick and putting it, him at risk. How do you see what Arizona did playing Love who again? They signed Alger in the offseason, did the Cardinals. They have James Connor. I mean, there's some competent running backs. It's not like he's being handed the job in spite of where he was selected in the

draft and people are freaking out. How do you see what Arizona did giving him those touches in that first preseason game? Yes, how dare they try and see what they have on their third overall pick? I know. What a disastrous organization. How incredibly stupid. People will

freak out about anything. I always say Twitter. It's never X to me. It's Twitter. Twitter is the place where we go so mad about something today. We forgot about what made us so mad yesterday on Twitter. And this is one of those things. First of all, he's a running back.

We all know the position most likely to get injured in the NFL is running back. Secondly, he had 14 touches. It's not like he had 30. Like, he's the only way to prepare to play football, is to play football.

And there's an inherent risk every time you play football. Somebody's going to get hurt. It's a 100% injury rate sport. Nobody goes through it without getting injured. So would you rather him get injured in August, in the first preseason game, or in October? Pick.

I think most people would say, get it out of the way now, and hopefully he'll be fine and ready to go on the regular season. Tray, the preseason and a lot of these injuries have led us back to that old turf versus grass debate, which you boys batted around recently on inside football. I was fascinated to hear Erlocker and Carter, those guys commenting on how it felt on their bodies. And I don't think I even appreciated how big of a deal this is for some players. When you hear from players, how much does this matter to guys? Like, how pissed off are some players when they are stuck playing on this hard turf compared to grass

and the impact it's having on their bodies now because it feels like it's getting to be a bigger conversation. Well, yeah, absolutely. I think one of the things that made it a bigger conversation is what happened in your great country and our country this summer of the World Cup. All these plays... By the way, I love how penny-pinching FIFA is.

You can't call it MetLife Stadium because you're not paying it, so it's New York, New Jersey Stadium. You can't call it G-E-H-H-A-Field or G-H-H-E-H-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-Elelead because you're not paying it, So it's Kansas Stadium. It's Philadelphia Stadium, not Lincoln Financial Field. But the point being, they were all played on grass. So I don't want to hear even Atlanta,

and the Mercedes-Benz Superdome, which was Atlanta Stadium. You can't sit there and say, well, we can't do it where we just saw people do it. And I think that's part of it that is making this conversation more interesting. Everybody, every player you talk to. Well, okay, maybe there's 2% because they think they're fast. on turf. Everybody would say, I prefer to play on grass. And clearly, it's doable because we just saw it happen in the World Cup. So, yeah, I think it's going to be more and more of a conversation.

And it's going to be interesting because that's something that the NFLPA could win on. Because, you know, the CBA's not up until 2030 or 2031. And basically, the NFL has already said, guys, we're playing 18. Just prepare for it. You know, I mean, Roger's been talking about this for three years. And the CBA isn't up until after, I think, March of 2031. So he's telling you, we're getting this. So you guys decide what you want to get in return. And maybe it's the elimination to turf, and maybe they're playing on grass is something that everybody can claim as a win for the NFLPA. Trey Wingo with us inside football show.

We encourage you to check it out. Trey, you're also a passionate golf broadcaster as well. You love the sport. And I just need to be transparent. I absolutely despise the FedEx Cup playoffs. The format is so brutal to watch, and I'm so looking forward to whatever it comes next once they decide to bring in something else in 2028

with a two-track system, whatever. But I was sitting there watching Sunday, and Schaeffler, I mean, it was a complete walk in the park for him, and there wasn't much compelling stuff aside from, oh, well Keith Mitchell get in or Doord and Spieth spot? I mean, I thought it was just complete nonsense. How do you envision the PGA tour concluding its season? in the future when they come up with a new format.

Yeah, it's going to be different, and we don't know if FedEx is going to be a part of that. There are real concerns that FedEx may drop their sponsorship, and that's a huge thing for the PGA Tour to contend with. You know, they've tried a million different things, right? They've tried making the hundreds and then this and that, and then they go to the Tour championship, and they stack the deck. You already starred at five under, which was the dumbest thing I've ever could possibly imagine. So they're trying to do this the right way, and they're trying to, at least they've tried a million different things, but I agree with you.

And the other part that drives me crazy is I will die on this hill that the PGA Championship, there should be a major played in August. Absolutely. When the Open is over in mid-July and we have to wait a full pregnancy, nine months, until we get a major again, it's too long. I'm sorry, and it's just too long. And so one of the reasons is, wow, it's so hot. the summer to play golf. Then why are we playing the three FedEx playoff events in the Holy Trinity of Humidity and Swampass in Memphis, St. Louis, and Atlanta, Georgia? Like, you couldn't pick three worst places in terms of weather in August to play these things. So I don't want to hear that

from you. That's a loser argument. They've got to figure out something. I tried to get them to change it, but I don't know when that's going to happen. But I do think there will be significant changes to the playoff. And it's got to be something more like a playoff, like a real playoff. The regular season means something, and it gives you some sort of seeding. I understand that, but then it's got to be something a little more different. Yeah, I mean, Macaroy finishes 66, then he's still, he's moving on.

I mean, I don't think that's how it works in a real sports playoffs, right? So it just, I can't stand it. I mean, if you perform the way the Rory... The Rory thing is interesting, right? Because he's basically, he's not getting to his 15, which is the minimum you're supposed. supposed to be able to play to keep your tour status. And basically the tour has said,

don't worry about it. You know, because he's got most favored nation status. But the thing about Rory, he's like, oh, my game's nowhere where it needs to be. That's because you weren't trying. I mean, like, if you think about it, Rory's prep for the Masters. He flew there and played that course as much as he could because he had one goal.

He wanted to try and repeat as Master's Champion. And he pulled it off. He's like, oh, my game's terrible. You can't play anywhere. And you've already said, you know, I'm not. is interested and that's fine. I get that. Nick Faldo was the same way at the end of his career. He's like, you know, it's a place like Riviera

or outside of the Masters. There's places with the old school golf courses that I still get up for and interested for. But it's funny to say my game's nowhere near where it needs to be. That's because you're not practicing or playing. It's pretty simple. All of us know that. Trying to just get it done as the playoffs continuing. He will be in the field for next week. Maybe he could figure it out because certainly in the first week of the playoffs, he had nothing figured out. Tray, awesome stuff.

We really appreciate you taking the time today, and hopefully we can chat again soon. Anytime, guys. Always a pleasure. All right, thank you. That is Trey Wingo. Inside Football, the Wingo Network CEO. We should give some love to our Canadian men and women wrapping up competition, the flag football world championships in Dusseldorf, Germany. Both of our teams in Canada qualified for the 2028 Olympics. The women win gold, beating the United States, which I love. Bang.

And the men are in bronze. our boy, Paul LaPolice, our colleague running the men's team with a overtime win over Mexico. I love it. I saw the final play in the women's game, just some clamping offense. Oh, yes. It was an awesome play. And I'm really intrigued as to, again, I don't know what they're going to do with the United States team. Like, is that going to be, I don't know, Josh Allen and Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase and George Kittle?

Is that how they're going to run it out? I have no idea, but that is, I don't know. I can't wait to see those guys potentially go up against some random dudes from Mexico. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait. I remember back when this started to be a debate. I'm so excited for flag football. Me too.

People, I think, originally got their dumb jokes, you are going to be planted in your seat. And we've got a great team, too. The Aidan squad could be awesome. And the debate of like, do you want Jaden Daniels or do you want the best flag football player? Is this kind of like, if you're talking about roller hockey, versus ice hockey type of where it is just a bit of a different skill set. It's a bit of a different body movement.

I'm fascinated to see what the U.S. does, man. And there's going to be some examples of countries that use some players with NFL ties where backfires. And, man, that will be the Olympic event that I am without a doubt, no matter the time of day, in front of my TV. Maybe baseball too.

Maybe. Baseball too. I mean, I might have to be there. We'll see. I think so down in Los Angeles. I'm not mistaken. I don't mind that. That's a good spot to be.

for this number of living. He's Keegan Matheson. I'm Aaron Coralick. Lots more to come here on Overdrive, including Ryan Dempster in about 20 minutes. You're watching on TSN-5, listening on TSN-10. Overdrive continues on this Monday afternoon.

Coralick and Matheson with you until 6 p.m. Ryan Dempster in about 15 minutes. We'll talk about the Blue Jays. One game out of the final wildcard spot in the American League. It's simply a matter of who wants it the least or who wants it the most, depending on how you look at it with the American League and the wildcard race where seemingly everyone is very bad

and it's a war of attrition in the final 35 games or so, Jays and Rays tomorrow night, first of three from Tampa. But there was an update, kind of, Kegan, on the NBA's investigation, into the Clippers,

into Steve Balmer, their owner, and into Kauai Leonard, Don Van Nata, Ramona Shelbur, and Baxter Holmes came out with an article on ESPN.com today that reported that the NBA found no evidence showing that Balmer funneled cash through team sponsors to Kauai Leonard and there's just basically no proof to indicate that it actually happened, even though there's a lot of indications that it very well may have. So the impact on the Raptors remains to be seen, but

in that same report he did and Vanatta and Shelburne and Holmes did say that the expectation remains Kauai eventually will be a Toronto Raptor. It's just nothing set in stone yet. And then the NBA came out with some, I guess, comeback or tweet of their own an email saying that some of the things that were reported in this article were factually incorrect. So I don't know if it's much ado about nothing, but I very much am looking forward to the end of this Kauai Leonard saga

because frankly the whole thing has been a complete and utter embarrassment from everybody involved, dating back to when that initial contract was signed allegedly, and it's just got to end. It's just got to end, and it will end. It's just a matter of how long it'll take for them to ultimately come to some conclusion. It's been 11 months. Like, figure something out already. You're still don't know. You can't find any evidence at all? Seriously, what have you been doing for 11 months? Everywhere you look, there's stupidity in this. And the timeline is wild, number one. But I do understand that you're dealing with Steve Balmer, who has more money.

than God and probably has more lawyers than anyone in the world. I can probably slow things down. I get it. But throughout all of this, I'm just baffled by how many people have not covered their rear end in this, you know? Shoot a fake ad and put it on an Instagram account no one sees. Have him do something so that you can have plausible deniability out of all of this. And I'm fascinated now because I don't think this is over right now. they have not found the direct balmer saying, hello, give money to this man.

Wink, wink, wink. But the reporting says the league is examining whether the clippers are guilty of, quote, failure to supervise employees, though it's unclear what rule they would have broken. Where's the line in this? Because every team in every sport, like let's just use local as an example.

Blue Jays, Raptors. You know which bank players are going to have a deal with, Which local Schwarma shop and which peanut butter and jelly crustless sandwich they're going to have deals with, right? We know all these things. If you have a beard or you're clean-shaven, you've got a deal if you're a raptor. Those happen in every market, and that's cool. That's how this business works. There's existing relationships.

But where the stupidity comes into all of this is that they went to scoreboard operators and fraudulent companies that didn't plant trees, stuff that just sticks out as so. dumb. And there's the arrogance of being, you know, rich folks with a big, big team involved in all this as well. It still just doesn't feel like this is over, which blows my mind. And I think the league is, is embarrassing itself right now. I go back to when the clippers got turned over and how Donald Sterling was ousted. That was easy for Adam Silver. That was the obvious move, because you're defending the ethics and the identity of the league.

But we were never really going to get the truth about how it was run until it was a money decision, which this is. And you're kind of investigating yourselves at a certain point. And for it to take this long with the reporting that's out there and still not have a decision. I mean, drop it tonight if you know what you have. Please drop it in the next hour and nine minutes, ideally. We would like that. You make such a great point about the fine line between the facilitation of certain deals, for certain players with certain entities, right?

And I can guarantee you the Raptors have a very close relationship with a number of brands. And hey, listen, we got this new hotshot rookie. Love to get him a deal with this company. Is that different than some kind of negotiation with aspiration or Dactronics? And just how different is it? And that's something that they're going to have to figure out. And I can guarantee you if the NBA PA picks up win that, oh, actually, you're no longer allowed to do any facilitation of deals.

I don't think the players are going to like that very much. So that's something that they're definitely dealing with. And the Clippers actually gave a statement to ESPN that said that they did not negotiate or dictate the terms of Kauai Leonard's endorsement deals. I mean, I suppose that might be true. It's just depending on how you view what negotiating or dictating means. Statement day. You could also contend that probably every single professional sports team

with any of their players, at least to some extent, negotiate or dictate endorsement deals for its players. That's how it should go. If I was a player, I'd want my team to be looking out for me and try to make me as much money as I can off the court. Easily. And in most markets, like the examples we're listing, are above board and they're normal and they make sense. And you see it in every single market

with whatever their regional restaurant is, the beer that's popular in their area, whatever it is. It happens everywhere. But this clearly went below the table more than everything else does. and the war of statements we have here with the NBA saying that it contains numerous and significant inaccuracies. Put out the damn report and tell us what they are then. It's been 11 months. Figure it out, guys.

And for the Raptors, I mean, by getting into this alone, I cannot say that the Raptors are just innocent bystanders. You're getting into a bit of a messy situation itself. But I want the Raptors to have some clarity here. And there were even ways, I see a lot of the, the initial reaction being great. This is good news for the RAPs. It's going to work out.

There were also ways where the deal gets avoided. There were ways where it gets renegotiated. One of those 20-20 or 31 or 33 firsts gets shaved off. There were ways this could have been even better for the Raptors. If it works out great, but this is still up in the air and we're getting too close to the season. Yeah, in that article from ESPN.com, that, again, the NBA statements said it contains numerous and significant inaccuracies. So again, take it for what it's worth. These are legit journalists, though.

Man, that Shelburne Holmes is legit as it gets. Yeah, for sure. It does indicate that Toronto Raptors feel very good, as does Kauai Leonard feel very good about ultimately being a Toronto Raptor when the season begins. So I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how long that takes to happen. My name is Aaron Kronick. That is Keegan Matheson. We've got Ryan Dempster from MLB.com standing by.

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