OverDrive - OverDrive - August 19, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Join Michael DiStefano and Frank Corrado for Hour 2 on OverDrive! Senior NFL writer for The Athletic, Mike Jones, joins us to discuss Daniel Jones being named the starting quarterback of the Colts. We play Confirm or Deny and dive into Micah Parsons' contract situation.

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the NFL picks are coming soon Mike Cepno Frank Carrado with you here hour two overdrive now underway uh yeah I mean I was I'm gearing up were you watching the preseason game last night are you preseason football guy I was watching jays last yeah yeah it's fair that's that's totally fair I mean I'm flipping back and forth I'm keeping an eye on what's going on a little bit. But what was with Joey Burrow, man? He was taking a beating last night.

Dude, it's concerning. It's concerning how bad that offensive line still is in Cincinnati. If he had a competent O-line, like, there's no doubt in my mind that Joe Burrow would be up in the same tier as Patrick Mahomes. Actually, there was a list that was put out last year, last week by the athletic, and essentially they pulled a bunch of NFL executives and they said, all right, Who are your top 32 quarterbacks in the NFL? Mahomes was 1A and Burrow was 1B.

Actually, it was a tiers list. Yeah. And they were both put in the number one tiered. But it was just those two by themselves with Lamar and Josh Allen a step behind. I felt bad for this guy watching that because it's insane. It's preseason. It's August. And this guy is running for his life.

And there's massive... This is why I don't play your starters in the precincts. But they're like, okay, that's one thing. Why are you playing him? And second of all, why are you playing him when you have a terrible O line? And, like, he's already getting demolish. You're looking at him, like, I saw a clip of him kind of standing at the, on the sidelines, looking at one of the tablets.

Like, this guy looks disheveled already. Like, I got a second and a half before I got guys screaming down my neck. Yeah. It's brutal. I don't know. I don't, I don't, can you take me through that decision? Like, why would they, why does he need the reps this early? Like, why does he need these preseason reps?

So the Bengals traditionally get off to a horrid start. And it's cost of a couple of years. Like, last year they did make the playoffs because they got off to a bad start. They lost to the Patriots last year. Only one a handful of games. But one of them was a week one, went against the Bengals. And I think in the Zach Taylor, Joe Burrow era, they're like one in seven, I think, in weeks one and two so far together. So that's the big reason for it.

They've gone off to unbelievably slow starts. So the thought process is, well, maybe it's because we're not playing these guys in the preseason. We'll give them some starts. We'll give them a couple of series and maybe come week one, they'll be prepared and ready to go. And in theory, it makes sense because what you've done the last four years has not helped early in the season. So you try something different. I do appreciate that. But try something.

The thing you want to try differently, if you're the Bengals, maybe try putting together an offensive line for this guy. that's what should have been done. Whether or not he plays in the preseason should not be priority number one, making sure that he's upright through the preseason and through the rest of the season should be priority number one for this team. Yeah, it was like, dude, it was, it was concerning seeing him go through that. Like, the other thing with Joe Burrell, like your season kind of just hinges on him.

Oh, yeah. Everything hinges on him. So how is that not, with all the lead-up time that you have, How is that not the first priority as far as what gets addressed? You would think that it would be. You would think that they would start investing instead of paying T. Higgins, a whole bunch of money as a wide receiver too. They probably had to invest in the offensive line.

They have to pay T. Higgins. Why? Because you need talent. Like, you need talent around. I get it. I get it. You got more, like we always talk about. Chase Brown.

That's all these weapons, right? Right. But if Burroughs as good as he is, he'll turn a guy into him. Did you see that wide receiver last night? who was absolutely making plays. What was his name? Trying to remember. Mitchell Tinsley.

Mitchell Tinsley. I can't say that that's a household name. It's not a household name. Absolutely. He was an undrafted free agent last year. Actually played for Washington and ended up getting cut. So it was a bit of a revenge game. They named him a captain ahead of the game.

Apparently he's been making plays all camp. He was unbelievable last night. Like that guy made the roster with the game. Okay, he makes the roster. It's preseason football. how much of that do you think translates to, you know, from making the roster to being a big time player this year? Or does he end up just being one of those guys that's thrown into the shuffle and you never hear from him? Well, what you like about it is how it looked.

So like a wide receiver, it's a lot easier to look at a receiver and say, okay, he's done some good things. You know, the way that he adjusts to the football, the way that he's high pointing a football. There's just some certain things that you can look at and be like, yeah, that can translate. For sure, that can translate. And that's what we saw last night. He had two touchdown passes that he caught. five for 73, two grabs. Both of those touchdowns that he had were unbelievable.

The adjustment he had to make on the first one was unreal. And then the second one, he had to go over the DB and then bring it down and get the little toe touch in the back of the end zone. And he was able to do all of that. Now, wasn't with Burroughs. I think Mitchell Tinsley is a player this year. He made me, he made me a fan. I'll say that he made me a fan.

Now, obviously, he's got Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, like, he's not going to, he's not going to out snap those guys. He's not going to take them off the field, but he definitely made a name for himself last night. And the preseason could do that. All I want to hear from you is one week, maybe it's week five, maybe it's week 10. When you're doing your picks, I want you to go out there and just talk about how Tinsley is going to go off for a massive night. Yeah. Take the Tinsley overs tonight. Take the Tinsley overs. Yeah. And Hayes is going to lick at you like you got three heads or something. Mitchell, Tinsley. Like I never heard of this. Remember that week we're rolling with Tinsley.

That week two preseason matchup against the commanders. He was unreal. He's getting a shot with T.A. He gets out of the lineup. I'm telling you, man. The guy is going to be the player. Joining us now on the Maple Toyota hotline. Mike Jones, NFL senior writer of the athletic.

How's it going, Mike? Hey, I'm doing well. How are you guys doing? I'm doing well. And we're just talking about last night's preseason game. Joe Burrow played a couple series. And how concerning is it that the offensive line? still can't keep them out right and give them a pocket.

Yeah, you know, it was concerning, but also I try to remind myself that, look, there hasn't been a whole lot of real hitting going on in these practices. So this is kind of the first time that a lot of these guys are getting that type of action, and so you kind of try to pump the brakes a little bit. But I tell you, the way that that line was concerning and also just the ease with which Washington move right down the field and that first one, you know, because they spent, you know, resources and

made changes to try to upgrade their defense. And so you're kind of like, man, you would have liked to have seen a little bit better even though, again, it's the preseason, first live action for a lot of these guys. So you kind of try to be a little patient with what you see.

Are you having patience with Mitchell Tinsley, who was the guy who really popped off last night? Do you think he could be emerge into a guy. Is this someone who, Frankie was talking about, week five, could we be talking about him as a potential player for the Cincinnati Bengals? Yeah, I mean, I mean, you would hope so.

You know, it's, you know, sometimes you see guys that struggle in the preseason and then wind up being okay. It's kind of rare that you see guys that really shine in the preseason and then wind up being nothing. There's always a, you know, they find a way. to make sure they contribute. That's where, you know, guys really kind of prove themselves, establish themselves.

So I think that, you know, you can hope that he would build on that and continue to elevate. What's your initial thoughts on Daniel Jones being named the week one starter for the Colts? And not necessarily just week one, but the quote coming out that, like, this is our starter for the season. We are not, you know, giving this a short leash. Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, I think you've got to be concerned. Because if your best option is that you've got Daniel Jones as your quarterback, you know what Daniel Jones is.

I don't think that he's going to have a revival or Renaissance like we saw with, you know, Sam Darnold. You know, it's just, it's concerning because they invested all that in Anthony Richardson. And we've seen him make a couple plays that, you know, make some throws, you're like, wow, he really has some potential there. But then you see him really make a lot of throws, or there are more struggles than that. And you were hoping that he was going to grow, develop, make some, you know, improvement. And we just haven't seen that.

And so the fact that they are not just riding with him for a little bit to see if he works his way out of it and that they're just already pulling the plug and saying, hey, we're going with Daniel Jones. That tells me that maybe he's not doing what they were wanting him to do. And that was part of the issues with him last year, was the approach that they wanted him to take to the game in preparation, and he wasn't. And so, yeah, I don't know what the level of optimism can be. I know they've got a good defense.

I know that they've got a good run game, so maybe they're hoping that, okay, hey, if we run the ball a lot within our defense, maybe we can, you know, get something that's Daniel Jones. But as far as, like, the ceiling, not too high. No, and I'm a Colts fan. I grew up a Colts fan, and I do not have high expectations on the team this year. but I can't help but feel like possibly, you know, this could have something to do with what happened last year when he tapped himself out of the game. Like, how much is that still lingering, you think, within the organization and within the locker room where they just, in a 50-50 shot, they'd rather go away from him than with Anthony Richardson.

Yeah, well, I mean, that the thing is, like, you would have hoped that, okay, after that, which was so embarrassing, that was just such a bad look, He would hope that, okay, he kind of got in the way, gotten his head right in the offseason and realized, you know, hey, I really got to bring it. I've got to change my approach, you know, and I don't know who's in his ear, kind of mentorship he has, but it doesn't seem like, you know, I think if he was trending upward, they would have been patient with, been patient with some hiccups or some misthroes and things like that. But the fact that they are going with Daniel Jones tells me that, yeah, he has not won them over. he has not regained their trust and they'd rather go with the guys they know is limited but carries himself like a pro than a guy that's got all the ability in the world but can't get the job done and doesn't have the right approach with mike jones of the athletic colts week one taken on the miami dolphins colts are favored by one-to-half points on fanduel

which coach needs that win more shane stuyken or mike mcdaniel you know it's hard to say that week one is like a must-win situation. But I think the guy that's under the most pressure of the two would probably be McDaniel just because of the fact that they have had, you know, last year was, you know, a really injury-plagged season. When Tua wasn't in there, they really just weren't competitive. When he was there, they had a chance. And then they've had some really disappointing ends to the season.

And so they're waiting. They've finally got to find a way. to turn this thing around and really start winning some meaningful games. And so I think that, you know, if you're McDaniel, you want to come out with a strong statement against a good defense and get that win there. But again, you know, Stuyken, you know, he's under pressure as well. And I think because of that pressure is probably part of the reason why he didn't want to continue experiment with Anthony Richardson, you know, and so he's like, hey, we need a solid

guy. We need to get a win out of the gates. And so we'll see if it plays out. I would go with McDaniel, but psyching, you know, ownership change, you know, with Jim Mersey passing. We don't know what that leash is like that he's on. And so he wants to come out there and get a win to start things off right. When we started the show today, my co-host, Mike, who admitted that he's a Colts fan. You know, we were talking about the Daniel Jones thing.

And he right away goes, yeah, well, Arch Manning's coming up. And I was like, so are you already just like forfeiting on the season and saying like you're getting ready for a top pick in the draft? Is that, like, is that a reasonable outlook for a Colts fan right now? I mean, it's so hard to know what's going to play out. And, you know, if you're going to be, it's not like the NBA where it's easy to tank and have the most ping pong balls to get, you know, a pick. It's way different in the NFL. And so I think that, hey, you never know what could happen again.

In this division that they're in, the opportunity is there. there's nobody that's like, you know, obviously Houston has repeated as the divisional champion. But beyond that, there's no clear-cut challenger. So, you know, if you're a cult fan, you think, hey, maybe, you know, why not us? Why can't we be like Washington last year who turned things around? Yes, you know, they did it with the rookie quarterback. But, you know, maybe we can finally get things together here and, you know, make some noise in our division. So don't start, you know, thinking about it.

Arch to assume. Because you never know. There's also some talk that Arch might not come out, you know, next year. So just let's focus on right now and see how that all plays out. Is there a team, like if this Daniel Jones things work, or maybe even if it doesn't

work, and it's just time for Anthony Richardson to move on, is there a team that you think would have some interest or maybe that would make sense for them to go down that route and try and trade for him? Uh, I don't don't know, man. I don't know that he's shown

enough for you to want to give up a premium draft pick, you know, or a few good draft pick to get him. When I'm looking at the teams that need quarterbacks, you know, I don't, again, he has not done anything to instill any type of confidence. It's not like, you know, even Justin Fields last year when he went to Pittsburgh, at least Justin Fields had some flashes. And so,

Pittsburgh was like, yeah, let's get him and, you know, have him behind Russell Wilson. And then, you know, he played well enough that the Jets were willing to make an investment in him. I don't know that Anthony Richardson has really shown enough. But, you know, maybe this is good for him to sit behind the veteran, you know, and relearn. Because when you think about it, he is, I don't think he even has a total of 2,000 snaps between college and the NFL. He's very raw still. but that approach is got to be something that's got to change. And so I don't know, you've got to have a really stable quarterback situation

and you can take on a project guy. And I don't know who's in that position who would be willing to give up a pick for a roll of a dice. Mike, you put out a piece in the athletic today. Anthony Richardson was not part of the top 25 under 25 list. That's for certainty. But you polled a bunch of various front office members. Was there anything from your findings that really surprised you about your list?

You know, it surprised me that a number of people were kind of just felt like Brock Bertie is average. You know, he was on the list last year. This year, a number of guys felt like, you know, I'd knock them down so that way I could bring up some other people. I mean, this is a guy who, you know, has, you know, played in the Super Bowl, and he runs their system well, and he got paid. But again, a lot of people feel like, hey, it's more so the system, and they don't feel like he is, you know, a game changer type quarterback. So that was

interesting to me. Another, you know, interesting thing is just the respect that Jalen Carter after last year, really, you know, a lot of people felt like he is, you know, one among the top, you know, two players in the top 25 or 25, you know, and just, and also, you know, a lot of people really spoke Kylie of Brock Bowers. And so, yeah, it's really, it's always intriguing. And again, everybody has their different top 25. And, you know, and there are a lot of people are like, how come they didn't have this guy?

How come, you know, he's not on here? But it's always just interesting and it's fun to talk about as well. What are your expectations for Cam Ward this season? You know, I don't know. I think that Brian Callahan is a good offensive mind. but they also, they're still trying to build that roster up so it's adequate support for a young quarterback and that's something that will really help go a long way for him.

You know, it's funny because he's the top pick and there's just not that buzz about him, but maybe that's good for him that he's able to fly into the radar. They're in a place, not a huge media market, you know, and so we'll see. But I know that they really got to rely on the run, and I think they will because Bill Callahan is the line coach, and he really believes in that. So we'll see. I'm very intrigued to see what his development process is like.

You know, if you go back to when Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud came in, like, both those guys kind of went in different directions, and I think a lot of that with Young was the environment around him. C.J. Stroud had a much better environment. Is Cam Ward somewhere in the middle there? Do you see it kind of going one way as opposed to the other? Like, I guess if those are the two kind of models for how it could go, which side do you kind of hedge closer to? Yeah, you know, in Houston, they had a really good defense. And so, you know, that was something that really helped. But then just,

C.J. Stroud was just very accurate as a pastor and really understood the concepts that were there for him. Bryce Young, you know, they did not have a lot to work with. So I feel like, you know, Tennessee's roster is not in the advanced stage that Houston's was. So I feel like there'll be somewhere in between. I don't think the coverage quite as bare, and the situation is not quite as bad as what it was in Carolina, but still just not quite, you know, playoff ready, which is what Houston's defense was definitely. With Mike Jones, out in Dallas, the Micah Parsons situation still has not fast. a resolution and early in the process it sounded like there was an assumption that eventually

Jerry was going to bend the knee and given the money much like he's done with a lot of contract standoffs prior does it feel like maybe it's getting to a point where this one could end differently and maybe Parsons is not a cowboy this season no I don't think so we're still we're not there to the regular season yet And so I think that Jerry Jones, you know, he loves the attention. He loves the drama, whether it's good or bad, that people are talking about them. And so I still think that he'll drag this thing out. And then just before it's time, he'll go ahead and get the deal done like we've seen him do times before.

But doesn't that, like, okay, doesn't that lose its cachet a little bit? Don't players look at that and say, okay, man, here we go. Jerry's going to do the same thing that he does every single time. he's going to play it up, it's going to get drawn out, and I got to deal with all the stress around it, or is it just become like a known thing, like between the agents and the players, let Jerry do his thing,

we're going to get the number, and eventually it all be good. Jerry just likes to get all the eyeballs on us. Like, I don't know. It's so, it's so weird because it's supposed to be like a working cohesive unit, the same team. Yes, these contract negotiations happen, but it just, it feels like it's,

Jerry's going to do his antics, and you just got to put up with it, and then eventually you'll get paid. Yeah, well, part of that, I think that's maybe part of the reason why Mike Parsons still came there during the OTAs when he could have skipped that, you know, and he decided to come, because I think that he has to know, you know, it's going to get done. Now, you know, he's there doing the hold end to avoid the fines, and I know it is frustrating for players. We saw CD Lamb, you know, on Twitter talk about, you know, kind of make a remark about it. But I still think that, you know, there's part of them that feels like, yeah, you know, it's frustrating, it's annoying. you know, but it's going to get done.

Mike, really appreciate it taking time to join us today. Hopefully we can do it again soon. All right. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Mike Jones, NFL, senior writer from The Athletic. He joined us on the Maple Toyota Hotline Drive the Built in Canada. Fuel Efficient Fund to Drive Toyota Rav4. Gas are hybrid models available.

Visit mapletolda.com. I don't know. I'm starting to lean towards this feeling a bit different. Like, at what point does Jerry have? have to look at himself in the mirror and say, you keep losing these contracts stalemates to these players. At some point, don't you think that a man of that stature wants to win one of these?

Maybe Jerry doesn't see it as losing, though. Maybe it is winning for Jerry. Because Jerry does this thing where it gets all the attention. And if we weren't talking about the Cowboys previously, well, you are now because there's a big marquee player who doesn't have a contract and it's, you know, everyone's taken up. the oxygen about it and eventually he signs them to market value which is basically what everyone

gets these days. Does anyone get significantly above market value? I don't know. Like I guess Deshawn Watson did. Sure. But that's not, you know, that's not like a, that's not a reasonable barometer. No. No. Everyone gets basically, you reset the market a little bit. That's what everyone does. And that's eventually what Micah Parsons is going to do. And everyone will have talked about it. And Jerry will have everyone talking about Cowboys and the, you know, team valuation is going to go up. And it's just, I don't know, it's another day in Jerryland. I guess it just, I don't know, at some point, don't you feel like his pride eventually is going to get in the way. And everyone's talking about essentially how weak he is as a negotiator.

As a businessman, I would think that he wouldn't like that. Maybe, but I don't know. I think it's hard to know, man. He's just a, he kind of just goes to the beat of his own drum. you know well we uh i think we have a clip here adam shefter was on his podcast earlier today and apparently these two parties have not had really a whole lot of communication there have not been any advancement in contract talks here what he had to here's what he had to say in the situation deal done if you're not even talking and the two sides haven't had any negotiations since late

march or early april and it sounds like at this point it's personal it's Sounds like each side is dug in. The Cowboys have come out and said what they said publicly at the start of training camp, which Micah didn't like. Micah came out and asked to be traded and said he was ready to move on from Dallas, which I'm sure they didn't like. And right now, both sides seem to be angry. Now, have other people put those feelings aside in the past and figured out a way to work out a deal?

Yeah, I don't see that happening here. I see these two sides headed towards a divorce in time. the only question is when is that divorce going to happen and how is it going to happen are they going to trade them now are they going to trade them after this year are they going to move on when but it certainly doesn't feel like these two sides want to enter a long-term relationship together that's the way it feels today and we'll see if they do anything to change that before the regular season begins in a couple of weeks so i mean like gatton shepter believes that they're going to award a divorce. And I would say if you feel as though

this is not a long-term partnership, if you're the cowboys, you're better off moving off from him now than you are a year from now. Like you're better off making that, making that plan, trading him, getting whatever draft picks you can for him, which a lot of teams will line up to take Michael Parsons off their hands and give him a hefty single other team would take that guy. That is a legitimate difference maker. Yeah, he's a super. superstar pass rusher who can get to the quarterback.

That's one of the most important things to do when you're playing football. If you can get to the quarterback, take him down, sack him, put pressure. Who does it better than the turnovers? Not a lot of guys, man. There's a very, very short list of guys, and it would be debatable at best. It does it consistently better than him. Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons. It's a three-man list, and it really is a massive drop-off after that, I would think,

when it comes to rushing the passer. So I'm, I don't know, it just, it's got a bit of a different smell to it. It does seem like there is maybe, I don't, it's, it's no longer amicable. Well, in Dallas. Here's what I would say about a Schifter's video, like his quote. When he's talking about it and he talks about it in a way that makes it seem like it's doom and gloom and it's not happening, that's everywhere. and everyone's talking about it, and that's exactly what Jerry Jones wants. If it's like, yeah, you know what, they're working, that just kind of gets slid in.

But this is exactly what, you know, the game plan is for Jerry Jones. It's so weird. It's diabolical. It makes no sense. Why not just pay the guy his money and move away from this whole charade? But he kind of, I don't know, if it amuses him or something, but this is the way it kind of goes down. Like, Schefter talking in his hotel room saying that, yeah, they're, you know, it's going to get done. that doesn't move the needle for a guy like Jerry Jones.

Right. That moves the needle, though, because that's everywhere today. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. This could be just a maniacal plan for Jerry for everyone to keep talking about the Cowboys, because we were talking about this since camp started a month ago. It's just been ongoing all off season. So there could be something to it.

There could be something to it. We'll see if we get anything at some point. All right. Coming up on the other side, confirm or deny. Time to get some confirm or deny Rob Longley. Still to join us as well. Mike DeSepno with Frankie Corrado. You're listening to Overdrive on TSN 1050,

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Mike DeStefano with Frankie Carrotto here on Overdrive. You know the way it works. Make a statement. You confirm it or you deny it. We'll start with hockey. Please. Lane Hudson will be the next defenseman to hit 100 points. I'm going to deny that

Don't like Lane Hudson to hit 100 I like Lane Hudson to hit 100 points One day I think Cal McCarr would do it first Yeah Kil McCar probably would I wonder was this supposed to be like A guy who hadn't hit that mark

Actually is he'll hit 100? I don't think Kilman Maybe he hasn't hit 100 points You're right I don't think he's hit 100 points No you're right He hit 92 years ago 92 last year

Yeah And I don't like I don't think Quinn Hughes has hit 100 either He hasn't hit 100. The last guy to hit 100 was the Eric Carlson year. Right. And he won the Norris. So I would probably say in regards to the pecking order of who gets to 100,

McCar plays on Colorado. They score a lot. Montreal's probably going to score a lot. They're going to score a lot. Yeah. Demadov, like they're, you know, they've got some good players. This kid had 60 assists last year. Yeah.

I would say, I'm going to deny it based on the McCar factor more than anything. Yeah, I guess I'll deny it too, because it's just, Essentially, Lane Hudson or the field. That's such a haze line. That's such a hazy line. Well, you just feel better with the field than you do with Lane Hudson. But look, 100 points is, like, again, that's not something that happens every day. Like, that, that is an outstanding number to get to.

And, you know, the fact that Lane Hudson's even in the conversation to maybe get to 100 one day is pretty impressive stuff. But, yeah, like, Kail McCar, Quinn Hughes, Zach Warensky was flirting with it last year, the season that he had in Columbus. I think that's a team too that is going to score a lot more over the next few seasons. Could he maybe get into that range, potentially? So I would feel better with the field and deny that Hudson's the next guy to get there. You can take the field, but there's like three guys, really, that you would put in that category. Right, but you think he gets it. You think he hits 100 at some point in his career?

Hundreds a lot, but, I mean, I wouldn't put it past him. I just had a 66 point rookie season as a five. He's five foot nine on a good day. Yeah. Like you, dude, the NHL's a hard day, man. Not good enough to make Team USA, though. No, he's snubbed for camp. You know how hard it is to play in the NHL?

And this guy waltzes in, sub six, like quite a, like, by quite a big margin and throws up 66 points, 60 assists. Yeah. I mean, you got to watch him. I think he's just scratching the surface. A hundred points is a lot, for sure. But if anyone's going to do it, it's probably this guy. Yeah.

Kail McCarr, Quinn Hughes. Like, those are those are the guys that are going to do it. All right. Moving on. Micah Parsons will be on a new team before the start of the regular season. This is a deny. We just went through this. This is how the whole thing plays out with Jerry.

It gets a lot of notoriety, gets all the clicks, all the headlines. Jerry gets to be front and center everywhere. And eventually the number, even if there's no communication made with the agent, it's one phone call. It's market value plus 5%. And it's a massive number, and here you go. and it's like, there you go. Like, it gets done that quickly, I think.

I'm going to confirm it. I'm going to confirm it because I don't think Jerry wants to lose this one. That's how I just don't know if he wants to lose this deal. And I think Michael Parsons has gotten to a point where he feels disrespected. And in his, you know, beliefs is, well, I'm at, I now need to be the highest pay pass rusher in the NFL. So if you're not willing to do that, you know, don't even call me. Of course he's going to be. He's the next man.

up. Yeah, he is the next man up. He's the next guy up, but the way that Jerry Jones been talked, it doesn't feel like he believes that's the case. He didn't want to sign him in the 30s last year. Now he's going to sign him to 45 million. Why draw your line in the sand at Micah Parsons? Like, why is that the one where you decide, I'm now going to be firm on market value? He certainly should have, I mean, of the five contract standoffs, four that I can think of in recent history, right? Zeke Elliott, Dak, Prescott, C.D. Lam, and now Micah Parsons, this is probably the one that you wanted to bend the knee a little more than the others. Like, Zeke, that made no sense

given him the contract at his age, at that position, made no sense when he decided to give him all that money and do everything that he wanted for Zeke. For DAC, there's always question marks on DAC. To have him set the market as one of the highest paid quarterbacks of all time at that point made no sense. That was no success. That was fear because if you look around the league teams that, don't have a good quarterback. They're junk, but they're trash.

So if you don't have DAC, okay, what are you? You're way worse. You are. Which is a scary proposition. But they overpaid them. Yes, they did. But they had to. But now they're in a cap situation because they're done the exact same thing to CD Lamb.

And now they're in a situation with Michael Parsons where it's like, all right, what are we going to do here? Pay him a boatload of money again, just like we've done to everyone and lose this contract negotiation again. I don't know. I feel like maybe Jerry's sick of. losing. I think he might want to finally win one, and either Micah's going to have to tuck his tail between his legs, walk in and say, fine, I'll sign a

one year deal, we'll get this thing over with, and we'll sign or I'll play and we'll play out the year and see what happens. Future Indianapolis Colt. I hope. I do hope. I certainly do hope. I'll take Micah Parsons on that team. The Cleveland Browns named Joe Flacco,

the starter yesterday. Super Bowl 47 MVP. confirm or deny the Browns will start three or more quarterbacks this season. I'm going to confirm three. Three's a lot though, but I'll confirm it. So there's Flacco, is there picket?

Can he pick it? He's in the mix, yeah. Right now they got Derr Sanders and be like fourth or fifth. Dylan Gabriel is the other guy who's there. Three's a lot, but it's not a lot for the Browns. That's the crazy thing. Like if you went, if you asked me this with, even the dolphins right like two is susceptible to injuries yeah i would i would take the under on three

so what if what if we changed it to confirm or deny they will start three or more quarterbacks this season without having to do so via injury like they just oh no it would have to be injury no it's injury for sure because i like flacco was so old and then eventually maybe you start a second guy if it's picket you get bad performance you get into the last i i have my over under for picket starts at 0.5, and I'm taking the under. Sure. But, okay, so I'm just doing the road map. Oh, I know. Like, Flacco gets hurt, picket plays.

You don't like it. Like, let's throw a young guy a start. And so that's how you get to three if you're the Browns. I'll confirm it. It sounds crazy to say, but just because given the Brown's history, I don't know. It doesn't feel that crazy based on what's going on at the quarterback position there. Yeah, I'll confirm it as well.

You're confirming that? I'm going to confirm that. Wow. I am going to confirm this. Just because, like, Joe Flacko is not your future. And you just took a guy in the third round in Dylan Gabriel, who you obviously like, you spent a day two pick on him. So Joe Flacco gets, you know, this team ends up.

Look at what their schedule is the first six weeks of the season. Dude, over under on wins, you could probably, what is it, three? It's more than that, but it's going to be, it's probably pretty low. They're going to get humbled in that division. Dude, for week one, they've got the Bengals, then the Ravens, then the Packers, then the Lions, then the Vikings, than the Steelers. Those are their first six games on the slate.

It can be 0 and 6 to start the season. Although the Bengals historically, like you said, don't start very well. You're right? They don't. But you would hope that now if they're playing preseason games, you're going to reverse that trend. Yeah. And beat the Browns Week 1.

They'll beat the Browns Week 1. Boy, oh, boy. You'll have to come up with a new game plan, like maybe get an O line. Yeah, that might be the case. But like you think about it, after those seven games, they'll probably, at most, let's say they win one, of them.

Realistically, they're not going to beat the Ravens, Packers, Lions, Vikings, and in Pittsburgh, I just don't see it happening. So they could be 0 and 6, 1 in 5, and then they're taking on the Vikings, and then they've got the dolphins they play. That's a game where I circle and I think, okay, that's a little spot for Shreder Sanders or Dylan Gabriel. But if either of those two falter over the courts the next few weeks after that, you move to the next guy.

So I think they legitimately could want to get a look at both of those quarterbacks. But if you're not winning games anyway, who are not going to win games? They're not going to, they're in way too difficult of a division. Right. So you start off, 0 and 6, your first six weeks. Okay, you're moving away from Flacco, going to Dylan Gabriel, let's say. He goes one and four and five starts. All right, let's see what Shudur Sanders has.

That's how I see the season going for the Cleveland Browns. All right, buddy. Personally, there we go. All right. We got time for what? Yeah, we got a few more. Let's let him fly. Bobby Webster will outlast Ross Atkins in Toronto.

Now, this is a tough one because Ross is like, he's a man of the people now. Now, he's up in the 500, like, not in the 500s, but he's going into the pictures. Oh, sorry, Shapiro was up there. Yeah, Ross Atkins. But the thing is, they're like a package deal. Yeah, they're tied at the hip right now. Shapiro and Atkins, they're basically one in the same. I'm going to say that Bobby Webster will.

I'm going to confirm this because of the new promotion. When you're out of the firing line, call it, and now you're not just the GM anymore. get a little more autonomy, get to make some decisions, you can move some things around. I think there's probably a longer shelf life there. Also, the Raptors aren't in win now mode. So it's like when you look at what the next 10 years could look like, it could be, okay, we're building for a few years, okay, now we're on the cusp for a few years. Now we're entering our like, okay, we're trying to compete years. What's that? That could take 10 years, okay, five years, six years. But you know what I mean? Like, you don't have that type of time.

You can stretch that out. I'm going to deny it. I'm going to deny it, honestly. The Bobby Webster quasi-promotion, like, I don't know if you can look at it like that. Essentially, they just decided, okay, what Bobby's been doing since the day we fired him aside, he's going to keep doing that, making basketball operations decisions, and we'll appoint him as the head of basketball operations. But I don't think that necessarily puts him in a long-term future.

You know what I think so? No, if they viewed him as a long-term future, why would they make him president of basketball operations and general manager? If they're going to give him a stretch. I think that they look at it and basically it's a prove it, right? It's Bobby, you've got this year to prove that things can go in the positive direction. If not, he's out of there next summer. And they're going to bring it a whole new crop. They didn't make a president for a reason, right?

Yeah. You'd have to think if they felt like he could be the long-term plan who could turn this thing around and bring the Raptors back to, back to stardom, they probably would have appointed him president and keep them with the general manager title for this year. Maybe they go out and they get a GM to work underneath them afterward. But I think Ross and what you've seen here in Toronto this season, things are looking on the up and up. And this is a team that can be competitive for a long time.

I've got Bladentow for the next 14 years, right? Get bow done at some point. If you can get bow done at some point too, now you've got your one-two punch going down, going down the lane here over the next few years. So, yeah, I'll deny it. I think Ross is being in Toronto longer than Bobby Webster. Okay.

All right, we'll go back to football quickly. Is it Super Bowl? It is Super Bowl or bust this season for Sean McDermott and his future with the Buffalo Bills? Oh. You would think so, but I will deny the Super Bowl or bust thing. I think you're constantly just saying, like, you know, this team can make whether it's the right decision at the right time. And I think, you know, a lot of that comes down to him.

That's on him for sure. They've made improvements or they're saying that at least that they've made improvements to the defensive side of the ball, which is not necessarily the thing that has hurt them or lost them the games at the big time. I think if they continue to kind of knock on the door, I'm going to say not this year. I think I'm going to confirm it. Yeah, I think that they have to have that success. They've got to finally get over the hump for McDermott to save his job. We're having this conversation in the last, look, two of the last three years,

we've had this conversation about should they move on from McDermott? Is he the guy that can get it done in Buffalo? And it's been proven time and time and time again that he just has not been that guy for the bills. So if they can't get it done again, I think they have to go in a different direction. You got to get a new voice in there that maybe can take them into that next stratosphere. Because clearly McDermott, I mean, how many kicks at the can, you got to give that group. I know. I heard Carlo talking about it the other day on the morning show, too, that, like, I think there's a lot of Bill's fans that just think this team, they're very good team.

They can't win with that guy as the coach. Right. They won't win the big one. That's unfortunate, but he has a chance to do it this year, at least. Overdrab brought to you by Fandu, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Rob Longley, still to join us. Got a Jay's game tonight taking on the Pittsburgh Pirates. Max Scher on the mound for the Blue J.

So he'll join us in about 20 minutes or so. But I got A.B.'s list coming up next here on Overdrive. Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament. I've been visualizing my match all week. She was so focused on visualizing that she didn't see the column behind her car on her backhand side. Good thing, Claudia's with Intact. The insurer with the largest network of auto service centers in the country. Everything was taken care of under one roof, and she was on her way in a rental car in no time.

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And this week, we're looking at some of the worst trades. in Toronto sports. Is that right? Yeah, anything stick out to you off the top of your mind for worst trades in Toronto sports? Yeah, trading Koliak of Owenstein. That was up there, yeah. Koliak of O'Nstein for Lee Stempniak.

I'll never... That was fine, but, like, Steen turned into a stud, and Carlo was good. Carlo was good, and he was a young, like, prospect at the time. Is that bad that I said Steen was a stud? And Carlo was good. Carlo was a good player. That lost out, though, in the opening round.

Opening, oh, what was it going up? That was a first round upset. I don't even have the bracket here. I can't, I don't know. Dennis Muldgin for Mason Margeman. Here it is up on TSN, TSN2. Yeah, Dennis. But those two shouldn't have been playing in the first round.

That's what it is. That's what they had. You can argue that one with the grappler. You had Michael Grabner to the Leafs. That one ends up going through. So Grabner over the Kessel trade is a big upset, 15 seed, beating the two seed. You know who was in the Grabner trade, right?

Right, Verhagi. Carter Verhaggy. Yeah, Carter Verhaggy. Yeah, he's had a pretty good career. Pretty good career since leaving Toronto. Yeah. Filino beats Jermaine O'Neill, so Nick Falino now into the quarterfinals. So you got Grabner and Falino.

I don't, you know, going head to head. Poor guy. I agree. I don't think that was a bad trade. That was a good trade at the time if he stayed healthy. I agree. That's exactly who everyone wanted. Right.

A like gritty kind of nails forward. like grizzled veteran willing to do anything for the team. The guy's back gave out on him. Yeah. What are you going to do? It was terrible timing. Yeah. Terrible timing. What are you going to do?

Don't do my boy Nikki Falino like that. Raycroft to the Leafs, the Raycroft for Tuka Rask on the other side of the bracket. That moves on as the number one seed. Worst trade. But Tyler Biggs. He wasn't traded to the Leafs. Well, so that was, well, they took two picks.

They moved up in the draft to select Tyler Biggs. Right. Okay. Those two picks turned out. to be John Gibson and Ricard Raquel. Right. So everyone equates Biggs to Ricard Raquel and John Gibson. So it makes

sense that that one cruises into the quarterfinal. I'd imagine Raycroft though for Tuka Rask. Like that one's going to live. That's the Tuka Rask actor. That one's going to live for very long time. And I have to think the caddry ones moving on too. Roy Halliday to the Phillies though was brutal. It turned out bad. That's the thing.

A lot of this is in hindsight. Like at the time okay, like Halliday, they ended up getting some quality prospects. Kyle Drebeck was like the big prospect they got. I believe Darneau might have been involved in that trade as well. They did stink. The Leaks were trying to win a Stanley Cup and they traded Nazim Cadry. Well, yeah, I suppose if you look at it that way, but they brought in Tyson Berry.

How long did the Maple League? A year, he played for a year. And then Alex Kerfoot, like, couldn't wait to get rid of him. I agree. It was an awful trade. It's one of the worst trades that we've seen in the last 25 years. It's why it's on this list. But how often, I know I got the buzz there, but how often have we spoke about or was it spoken about it on this very show, Overdrive, or whatever shows on the 1050 airwaves, Leif's lunch back in the day with Andy talking about the least need a puck moving right-hand defenseman.

I know. All the time. And Tyson Barry was that. But obviously, in hindsight, did not work out for Toronto. It worked out very well for Colorado. Cadre went on to win a cup. So I think he probably has an opportunity to win this one against Halliday. But that Halliday trade was brutal.

They got nothing for him. You get nothing for Roy Halliday. That's like your cautionary tale when it comes to like prospects, trading prospects in the majors. Like, I don't know, trade the prospects. Go get the stud, man. Who knows? I'm with you. Who knows what the prospects are going to turn into?

Go like go get the sure thing, especially if your team's good. Yeah, I remember the Burrios deal. A lot of people really upset that they gave up. was it Martin and some other prospect that they gave up. I think it was someone who they got for the Marcus Stroman deal. I can't remember his name, but they were really upset that they gave up those two top level prospects. Do you think the top 100 in a van? What was his last name?

Yeah, something like, no, that was for Daniel Price, but that worked out well, right? But I remember everyone talking about, I'm like, dude, parades over prospects, if you're a team that's going for, parades over prospects, absolutely make that trade and turned out to really work out. Blue Jays inaction tonight, taking on the Pittsburgh Pirates when we come back. Rob Longley will join us. Our three of Overdrive coming up next.

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