OverDrive - OverDrive - August 26, 2025 - Hour 3 - Trevor May/Mike Tannenbaum

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Frank Corrado for Hour 3 on OverDrive! Host of the MayDay Podcast and Former MLB Pitcher Trevor May joins to discuss the impressions of the Blue Jays' playoff quest, Max Scherzer's skills on the mound and Cal Raleigh's MVP-caliber season. Hayes and Frankie dive into Arch Manning's future with Texas and how he will perform this season and ESPN NFL Front Office Insider Mike Tannenbaum joins to discuss the headlines approaching the season and the FanDuel Best Bets.

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bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score Brian Hayes, Frankie Corrado, Jay's twins tonight, Chris Bassett on the mound for the Jays. Coming off a 10-4 win last night. Lots of run production. Let me ask you this about the whole Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey thing, because we're coming into the show with Taylor Swift every hour. All those

guys that she broke up with or that broke up with her, are they all they were all in the wrong. Taylor Swift is vindicated now because she found a guy, she's found true love, they were all wrong, she was right,

she just needed Travis Kelsey to come along and he's the best. Yeah, I guess that's the way she would probably platform it, right? Right? Like that's kind of what,

uh, what this would suggest. She was just waiting to find the right guy. All those guys were wrong. Like how do you write an album now, though, based on everything being so great in your life? No,

she's just going to go back through the old highlight reel of like oh Calvin Harris treated me so bad I got to write another song about it. Harry Styles I'll go back in time and talk about old Harry. My old high school boyfriend I hated him again to write another song. You know, feel good

love songs, those don't really pop. You know, you got to feel the hurt. Yeah, you got to have something like dark and heavy. Yeah. But yeah, shout out to the Kelsey Swift crew. Big engagement. I guess the ring is valued at $550,000, which I, I don't know, that's pretty amazing.

I think that's fine. I think that's really good. Like, how do you possibly, like she's a billionaire? How do you impress her with a ring? In those circles, though, I don't know what the going rate is for a ring when you're in that tax bracket. Right, exactly. I can figure out like, ah, you're a lawyer.

I know how much you could probably. You're an accountant. I can do the math on that. I can't do the math on what you get Taylor Swift for a ring. And if you're Travis Kelsey. Do the math. Yeah, do the math. Yeah, I don't know.

I guess that's the answer. 550 grand American. But you think there's some really wealthy guy that looks at it and it's like Taylor Swift and you only spent half a million dollars? Yeah, probably. Looking down on Travis Kelsey. Maybe Harry Styles is thinking that. How much did Kanye West spend on Kim Kardashian's ring? Like all these stupid things, right?

That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know if Kanye is necessarily the guy that you're looking at for, you know, setting the bar for anything right now. Yeah. It was the first, like, celebrity couple that came into my head. That was a big one. I'm sure it was a very expensive rig. Had it because you're right.

Your Kardashians are billionaires. What the hell are they looking at, you know? Anyway, Trevor May coming up here in a moment. Mike Tanabom later in the hour, ESPN NFL front office insider. He'll join us around 640. Sounds like Shador Sanders is, you know, going to be on the team, 53-man roster to break camp for the Browns because they traded Kenny Pickett to Vegas last night, which means Dylan Gabriel will be there.

such a weird like dichotomy you got old guy Joe Flacco who I thought was finished three or four years ago and kind of miraculously came out of retirement and you know has kept his career alive it's it's pretty amazing to see when you consider yeah off the couch that was literally his motto like off the couch off the couch off the couch and look what Joe Flacco could bring and then you got these new these two rookies in Gabriel and Shadour Sanders who are nowhere close to being ready to play yet one of them I think will get snaps this year. Like Flacko's not playing 17 games.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of them get snaps this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns, I was saying this to Al's brother last week and this is when Pickett was still in the mix wouldn't be surprised if the Browns used three quarterbacks this year. And for some teams, a lot of teams, you would look at that and say, well, that's nonsense, that's crazy. But for the Browns, three is like, yeah, I could see it.

Right. I could see it. And the thing is that if that happens, that means they're probably in big trouble. And they're going to lose a lot of games, which means they could have a top five pick next year. And then what do you do? Pick a quarterback. But didn't we think the Browns were going to be in trouble anyways? Yeah, I thought so.

I think so. But their defense is so good. They have the potential to be very good. That's the crazy thing about Cleveland is they're so unpredictably stupid that the, the, the, The craziest thing now would be they find a way to win 10 games and make the playoffs. Like somehow it just if Flacco stays healthy. You know, plays like off the couch Flacco and he's very, very resilient and he's very accurate and he doesn't turn the ball over and they find a run game and the O lines, you know, again,

all these things you have to break their way. Yeah. But like you have Miles Garrett. You have some defensive weaponry that could keep ball games close. And if Flacco can do anything, if you have a special team that is, somehow intact. It's a thin margin in football. It is. The thing, though, we can talk about all these things going right for the

Browns. They play in the same division as the Ravens, the Bengals, the Steelers, right? Like, you look at their season to start. They got the Bengals, the Ravens, the Packers, the Lions, the Vikings, the Steelers. Yikes. That's 0.6, possibly. That could be 0.6. And then after that, the dolphins and the Patriots. They can win those two games. Two and six. Maybe that's what I'm saying, though.

Maybe you're three and five and you're in it more than you thought. Right. You know, or miraculously, you're four and four, and you're like, wow, look at this. If that happens, then you're, yeah, you're in really good shape. Again, a lot of crazy things have to happen, but the point being is that the NFL is completely unpredictable in some area in individual areas. Yeah. And I'm not surprised. Like, Vegas trading for a quarterback is not the craziest thing in the world.

But I almost thought it was going to be, what's the guy in Indianapolis, his name, Richardson. Yeah. Well, it just feels like with Anthony. Anthony Richardson, like they announced Daniel Jones is the guy and he's going to be the guy. He just, he may have killed his career last year when he pulled himself from the game. That's what Al's brother said last week. Yeah. Like that's the thing that everyone looks at it.

No one's ever seen that before. You can't, how do you trust the guy that's going to do that? You cannot, you cannot do it in the NFL. I was so flabbergasted by that, that story. I could not believe it. Like, it was not watching it live. And when I saw it online that Anthony Richardson said, I need a breather. like a quarterback pulling himself on a drive is insane.

I couldn't name another instance where that has happened before. Ever, ever, ever, ever. And he's lost the room and he's clearly never regained it. And now Danny Dimes is going to get enough rope to possibly drag this team into whatever they're going to go. Think about that. What an indictment that is that they looked at Danny Dimes and they were like, we would rather have you and the coach, Thichen. Yes.

like, this is not just a one-week thing. No, no, no. We're committed to dimes. Dimes is our guy. Yeah. Tony Richardson, go sit over there and watch. Do the Giants cut cutlets? Yeah, that's terrible. Seemed like it was kind of inevitable. The guy was a third string quarterback like two years ago. He's Italian, he's got an Italian agent.

It does not guarantee you anything. Giants need to figure it out quickly. That's a desperate front office, desperate head coach. Very desperate. Yeah. All right. Jay's Twins tonight. Scherzer looked pretty good last night. Good enough. Good enough

where at this point I think he's a lock to be one of their three starters. Say they're playing a wild card, D.S., whatever it is. Let's see if our next guest feels the same way. Former MLV pitcher, host of the Mayday podcast back on Overdrive, here's Trevor May. How you doing, Trevor? I'm great. How are you guys doing?

We're doing well. In terms of your evaluation of Max Scher, the rest of the way. Does he simply need to stay healthy? Does he need to show he still got ace-like stuff? Or is he just a lock you come playoff time that guy's going to get the ball i think that it's staying healthy at this point in max his career is is goal number one um you know you can't you can't provide value your team you can't help your team win if you're not on the field so um if he's healthy and he's out there he is just knowing what i know about him he is uh confident in his ability to

compete and that's really all you can ask for for a guy who's you know been in the league for 15 plus years. So I would say, though, give him the ball in the playoffs because if so much of pitching well in the playoffs and getting the job done at that level is just sheer willpower. And there is not a guy, even at his age, there's not a guy in the league who has more willpower than Max Scherzer. So I find spots to give it to him, give him the opportunity, have it be a spot that it is to lose and then you know make adjustments as you need to as as you know that's that's what you need to do in the playoffs well it's also like if you look back at the way some of these games have gone for the jays um whether it's been in the wild card the last

few years pretty short leash for some of the starting pitchers like what do you think the reaction is if all the sudden sherser you know he's starting a playoff game gets into a little bit of a jam maybe they're they start to bring out the analytics and they're like we're going to take you out like is that is that in their best interest or do you let a guy like that work it out on his own. That's kind of the name of the game for anybody, even the guys at the top of their game. There's very few, I think it's a small handful at this point where in a playoff situation, especially to start off a series or a game that is kind of must win, where you just simply

can't let that crooked number go up there. And that is the name of the game for starting pitching. So even the, you know, the tariff scoobles and the care of crochet, the world, they're even going to have shorter leashes than they would during the regular season as well. So if you put that in the context for Max, his lease would be shorter than he would like probably anyways, even if he were in primetime Max Scherzer territory. And that is just something that you have to do in this day and age, especially with how many quality arms are out the bullpen.

But of course, you know, if the, bullpen is a little sparse, you tend to let them go. I think that the number one thing that every manager and every organization would love to just not even have to think about that, we know that's usually wishful thinking. But if, you know, the guy's cruising, there's no reason to pull the trigger on that unless there are some rough waters in insights. And I think that a couple times in recent years, we've had, we've kind of pulled too early. So it'll be interesting to see kind of with the, especially.

especially the Jays and the whole rotation, how that is implemented with guys in their experience and how deep they used to go into games and how deep they go into games now. It's going to be a puzzle to solve. But, you know, I think the arms are out there to either way to get the job done and wins the games. Yeah, the Jays, like I think in particular,

is a really interesting puzzle to put together because you're dealing with Scherzer who's 41. You've got Shane Bieber now who's coming off Tommy John looked really good on Friday night. their bullpen has been a disaster over the last month. Like a really bloated ERA, it has really not been good. So you're juggling like health, age, Tommy John, a bullpen that's leaky, yet a team that's five games up on the American League East.

So it just feels overly complicated. Yet at the same time, you know, I'm curious how you think they could simplify this. Like how John Snyder, Pete Walker, in the front office, how they can simplify this to make the team feel and the bats feel like, okay, the arms are going to be there for you, whether it's Beaver, Scherzer, or Gosman, whatever rotation we're going to go with in terms of the bullpen, you know, you still got a month to do that. Do you feel confident there's enough time for them to figure this out,

relay the message to the rest of the team and say, we're good, come playoff time? Yeah, I think a month is plenty of time. And September is usually what, this is what's happening in September usually. You're trying to shore up. You're trying to get the guys who maybe are banged up a little bit, everyone healthy. If you can get to a point where you have a lot of depth going into the playoffs, I think you are put in a good position because the more opportunities for different guys

to be the hero, the one that steps up, that tends to work out. But we've seen, you know, the Phillies made a good run a couple of years ago, went real deep into the playoffs with a very leaky bullpen. One of the leakiest bullpins I've ever seen in a playoff grew, and they got the job done. they found ways to do it with enough arms. I think it's just having, try to get as many options as you can have, ready to go for those last couple weeks of September,

because obviously there's going to be pressure, you know, for the division. That's still going to be, you know, it's not a foregone conclusion at this point. There's very few leads at this early in the game that you can say that for. But like, once you get closer, if you are able to not see a lot of red ink on your ledger here and you see a lot of guys that are available, that is something that is controllable. That is something you can focus on and getting everyone to peak

after at the same time going into the playoffs is that next step. So those two things are as much as you can do, but getting everyone healthy and making sure that even if guys are struggling, they're still healthy and the stuff's still there. It's just maybe decisions being made. You can deal with that.

But what you can't deal with is, you know, a lot of guys that aren't 100%. With George Spring, or having the season that he's having and, you know, an OPS above 900, how much more important is that for the Jays come playoff time this time around? Like a George Springer who's kind of like had this resurgence and is playing with a lot of confidence and is really contributing. Does that bang the drum a little louder for them?

I would say absolutely, especially with how his performance has been historically in the playoffs. He's played in big games. He's come through in big games. That is one thing. I think that's a major strength. And I think that a big reason that the Blue Jays are in the position they are in is because of the wealth of veteran presence and the wealth of experience in that clubhouse, even if it's guys who on paper you may say are past their prime, there is something to be said for having done it before because the playoffs are a, they're just a different beast. There is a nervousness and there is an anticipation and there's an excitement that doesn't just come during the game. It's all day before and it's all day after, and it's like that.

If you go deep, it's like that for a month. And they have the guys. I mean, I can't point in another team that has more of the guys who've done it in October and in November than the Blue Jays have right now. And I think that's something to hang your hat on. And George Springer is a huge part of that. And his resurgence has been massive for how the offensive turnaround has been this year. But just all around showing that, you know, you guys can get back. on the horse, and we can be

a force in the batters box that just wasn't there last year. It's a lot of the same guys, but it's a much different productive team. With Trevor May, and you look at, you know, the standings in the American League, you get the Tigers 78 and 55, the Jays are a half game back, 77 and 55,

and then the Jays are four and a half up on Houston in terms of those top two seats in the American League. And I think naturally, you know, in Toronto, we're still looking back on Boston and the Yankees and they have to play those two teams twice, All right, they each play them one more time the rest of the way, so there's still some jockeying of position within the division.

But I'm curious, you know, as an outsider, Trevor, looking at this situation, if you're the, Jay, should you be looking forward? Like, should your priority be, we got to just secure the top seat in the American League here because that would be massively beneficial, clearly, to avoid the wild card, and then everything's got to come through Toronto

all the way into the World Series. I would say, you know, maybe the last couple years with this new playoff format and the way that that buy has kind of teams have been affected by it, it seems, or like the way it kind of plays out, I would say be hesitant. But in the unique case of the Blue Jays and figuring out this rotation and getting the bullpen going, I think rest and just being able to, being able to line up your pitching is such a valuable thing for them to be able to do. and so I would say minimum you need that one of those top two spots

to get those to get that space but if you can take that top spot and just make sure that you have home field advantage the whole way like they have played so well at home it's a massive advantage you know you have the entire country of Canada behind you

like there is something to be said for that so going going all out for that and finishing really strong I think all of those things take care of themselves if you just go out And you're like, we are still focused on winning each game the same way we're going to need to do it in the playoffs. That will give you that seed that you need. And that would, I think, be more beneficial for them than maybe other one or two seeds in the past. Outside of the Blue Jays organization, is this the year a guy with the nickname Big Dumper wins an MVP?

And I'm talking about Cal Rally, who just hit his 50th home run? It's looking good. It is looking good. I know it's tough. I know it's tough for the Blue Jays fans to talk about Cal too much. I know he likes hitting up there in Toronto. But, like, the guy has been incredible. I've been able to see him in person.

I think I've seen, I've been to four games. I think I've seen five home runs. So maybe I'm a good luck charm. It doesn't seem like that he needs one. But I think it would be a really cool thing for the game. He's a catcher. There's just a lot of things going against his position and the types of things he needs to do to win.

an MVP, and if he were able to do it in a league that had Aaron Judge doing what he's doing, that would be one of the most impressive seasons of all time. And I got to say it, he still's got judge and stolen bases. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. If he gets, you know, I think he's in double digits now. If he gets up in the high teens, like, that might, that might steal the deal. I know. I'm coming from left field here, but that's, I mean, a catcher with 15 stolen bases is crazy. Name big dumper? That's pretty impressive. Yeah. And, you know, like, what your team does, doesn't matter as much in baseball compared to other sports. Generally, your team's got to be in the playoffs, you know, to win the MVP in the

NFL or the NBA or the NHL. But the fact that Seattle has been so good, you know, the last couple of months, and they're in the playoffs and they're likely going to hold on. They're kind of chasing down Houston. But they're going to make the playoffs. Like, that seems substantial to me, Trevor. Like, it's not just a throwaway Mike Trout. I'm so much better than everyone else in my team stinks year. He's contributing. to a winner, and once he gets closer to 60 home runs, which I think is going to happen based on what he's done the last two nights, and now he's at 50, it's going to get louder and louder and louder.

Like, if he's chasing 60 into the last 7, 8 games of the year, it's going to be all Cal Raleigh all the time, which is going to be incredible theater. I fully agree. I think we, you know, I know we saw Aaron Judge break the A.L. record for home runs, but it's only 62. Right. Like, he would be threatening that. If he's even threatening the record for home runs as a catcher, as a switch hitting catcher,

that catches, he's not platooning either. He's catching a lot with the way he handles his rotation, the way he receives. He's defensively a very good catcher. And then if they make the playoffs, I think that is necessary. Got to be a lot. But make the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah, you got to, I mean, there's really nothing else to be said there.

I think you're just weighing like Aaron and Judge has to be hitting three, I mean, if he's hit in 370, like that's tough to be. But he has kind of come down to earth a little bit of time. So I think that it's a much closer, closer race than most would have thought maybe two months ago. Absolutely. And, yeah, Judge is still judge, but you got to give it up to what Raleigh's doing out in Seattle. He's former MLB pitcher host of the Mayday podcast, Trevor May. Great catching up with you, Trevor. Thank you for doing this, man.

We'll do it again soon. Of course. Thanks, guys. You got it. There he is. Trevor May. Yes, switch hitting catcher that's behind a plate all the time. Like, gold glove type defense, stealing bases.

That's a thing that, winning team, winning pedigree. Don't take into account, right? Yeah, incredible. Like, we saw Alejandro Kirk steal a base once. Yes. Okay. And it was basically a different body type. Free bag, like effectively a free bag.

Yes. Yeah. Kirk's been unreal. That's not something you're accounting for a catcher to be doing. No. They got enough going on. Right. Hey, he does it all, man. Like, it's a testament to the greatness

of Judge that Judge is still right there with him. Because any, like, no one else is close. It's just Aaron Judge. Yeah. And he's so good and he's been so great and his numbers have been so phenomenal and he just carries the whole lineup and Soto's gone and he continues

to do it. That's such a, like a Yankees thing, though, the last few years where like, hey, if judge isn't hitting home runs or if judge isn't carrying the lineup, no one else is. Right. And Bill really hasn't been addressed,

and they tried to do a ton at the trade deadline. Well, they did it. They did. They made a lot of moves. And their arms were starting to get better. Like, their bullpen arms were brutal the first couple of weeks post-trade deadline for them, but they're starting to pop a little bit more,

which is what obviously they're looking for, is shorten the game down. Yet Max Fried was great the first half. He hasn't made so great in the second half. So we'll see with the, the Yankees. But as of now, you've got Red Sox, Yankees, Mariners, and then again, Mariners have a four-game cushion on Kansas City, five and a half on Texas.

Yeah. But, yeah, I think that's what we're looking at. I think you're looking at Toronto, Detroit, Houston, Boston, New York, Seattle. That's your American League. You know what I forgot to mention to you when we were doing the NHL Futures last hour? Looking at the rocket, Dry Seidel's the favorite right now. Matthews is second, Drysidels plus three something as the favorite. Remember, I think it was last year.

Matthews was coming off 69 goals. You had to pay significant juice for Matthews as the favorite for the rocket. And now you could get them at like plus, I don't know, it's in the high threes maybe. Plus 340, plus 350. Yeah, like it's, that landscape changes so much in one year. Well, listen, Drysaddle is in it every single year. like he's going to score 45 plus if he's healthy 50 plus Pastornax in it every year

who am I missing Reinhardt's been he fell off last year in terms of his goal totals you know Vetchkin scores at a high rate but is he going to keep doing it not rocket calibrate no it does fall off though after those three guys consistently anyways the guys sue every year it's Matthews Drysettop Pastonac and then you get years where like McDavid score 60 and then

And this guy has a big year for some reason. Right. And Ryan Arndt scored 56. Great in point could pop 50. Right. Right. Stamcoast used to be in those conversations all the time. Probably not as much now. Yeah.

How would you wrap up the top five goal scores in the league? I would go Matthews Dry Set up Pasternack. To have it in front of me. These things, you always have to have the names or else you forget. But those are the three for sure. Yeah. That are like in it basically, well, I guess, every year, but it changed, like it changed last year because Matthews wasn't in it.

Tage Thompson could wire home goals. Jake Gensel. Like, but yeah, you're right. Like dry sidel. Last year, it went dry sidle, Nielander, Tage Thompson, Ovechkin, Pastor Nack. Interesting that Nielander was right there. We don't really think of him as like a chasing the rocket type play. No, you think of he's going to score 40 and that's great. He's going to be in the hunt. He's going to score a lot of goals. but Rockets 50 plus.

Yeah. Like recently it has been. There have been dips and there's been ebbs and flows of that award. But I would guess over the last eight years, anyone that's won it scored 50, you know, COVID notwithstanding or a lockout notwithstanding. Last year, 52 wins it. And then everyone else is in the 40s. And there's not that many guys in the 40s two years ago.

It goes 69, 57, 54, 51. or you get three guys in the 50s, one guy touching 70 almost. And then a lot of guys in the 40s below that. Crazy how it changed. And that was Dreisaitel's 14th with 41. Got like Crosby, Ranton, Marchesau, Kuturov, McKinnon had 51.

Yeah. But I don't see. Rantanin's a guy that he could pot 50 plus. But that's Rantan with McKinnon. Yes. Now he's with Rupé Hintz. Rantin 2.0. A bit of a different, right?

different story. Yeah. Okay. A couple more futures. We'll get to that. We got Mike Tannenbaum of ESPN later this hour as well. Our best bet's coming up. Overdrive continues.

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because there's still camps going on and some people get out of town and they go away. But my wife and I are working. My kids are not in camps. So it's a lot of trying to figure out what the hell we're doing here. You're like, what are we doing? What's going on during the show?

We were coming in here today. We had meetings and all that kind of stuff and trying to figure out exactly how this is going to work. Tomorrow we've got my sister-in-law coming to the house. And that's going to work so I can get in here. Yeah. I don't know. It's going to be one of those days, one of those weeks.

But then next week, everything flips. And I'm looking forward to normalcy. Like, we got a huge college football game this weekend. Texas, Ohio State. that's the biggest game of the year huge and that's how it starts Arch Manning the number one team in the country the Longhorns going

to the Buckeyes who are the number three team in the country I read a couple of weeks ago I have not looked at what the odds are now I don't know where the spreads at but I believe first time in history a number one ranked team in the country starts the season as an underdog in the first game that they play

how does that happen well I guess it's so home field advantage it's so close Texas is one Ohio State three, right? Like the Buckeyes just won the national championship, so, you know, they're a factory. The Buckeyes are always a great team. It's a really tough place to play in. It's also going to, it's going to be interesting watching Arch Manning this year because I feel like, you know, every year when we hear about who's the top quarterback, fans of teams that are going to be terrible start to attach themselves to that guy and like, oh man, the savior's coming. Like, we just

if we're going to be bad, we've got to be bad enough that we could get this guy. But we've got to find out, like, is he, is he that? And is he going to come out? Because he may not come out after this year. Like the mannings are saying he's not going to. Right. That's what Archie Manning, the patriarch of the family, the original quarterback saying, nope, not going to happen.

Because Eli stayed until he was a senior. Peyton stayed until he was a senior. How to argue the results. It's hard to, exactly. The NFL's waiting for him. Like the NFL is going to be there. You know, the thing is, Peyton didn't win,

Peyton and Eli did not win a national championship, and neither of them won a Heisman. I think Peyton may have finished second or third in the Heisman, and I think they won the SEC championship. So, I mean, it was a different era that wasn't playoffs back then. But, you know, if they end up number one team of the country, pillow to post, win the championship, he wins a Heisman. At that point, do you maybe recalibrate?

Sure, but also, what if, like, New Orleans is the first pick overall? That's where the family's from. This is also a different landscape of college football where NIL money is huge now. Those guys didn't have that. So you're not so worried about the financial aspect and you'll get your money. But the NFL, you're right, is going to be there for him in a world where Danny Dimes is starting games and Kenny Pickett just got traded because obviously they have a purpose for that. And Jimmy G. has stuck around when Archmanning is ready, yes. Archmanning will be playing.

And I think what the mannings have proven is that this is how you prepare for. a great NFL career. Now, they have the luxury, again, of having, they got money in the family, they got the name, all that kind of stuff. Like you said, NIL, he's playing for Texas. But playing your senior year, for Peyton, it worked out pretty well. For Eli, it worked out pretty well. Or if they had to come out the year before,

they'd probably still go first overall, probably. But they went first overall after being a true senior. And, yeah, I guess. A few years ago is a great litmus test on getting put into the right situation as a quarterback as a rookie, whether it's Bryce Young or C.J. Stroud. Yep. You go to Carolina, they're terrible, you get fed to the wolves, or you strike gold and you go to Houston that's got a good defense, it's got a good team, and it's like all of a sudden

you look like a stud, but chances are the stud rookie quarterbacks going to Houston's is fewer and further between. You're more likely going to a Carolina, and that's tough, man. Well, that's why, again, I do wonder about which. team has the pick and how in fact is in to the decision because what if it is new orleans who is expected to be terrible this year is that too much pressure would that actually lead him to staying and say i don't want to go to new orleans like that's that's his hometown that's where his grandpa played or is it like man this is the dream come true the saints first overall they're

going to take me i know where i'm going what if the giants are bad again i don't think i don't think they could be i mean they have they've been awful for years what are the giants are first roll pick. Do you want to go play where Eli played? I don't know. The Colts, they got Danny Dimes is a quarterback. What if the Colts are the worst team in the league? And on it, like, I was, me and Al's brother were talking about this last week, because, you know, he's a Colts fan. So automatically, as soon

as Danny Dimes gets the starting job, he's like, Arch Manning, that's my focus right now. And, like, it's not that far fetched that it would be a scenario where it could be Indianapolis making the pick. We'll see what happens, obviously. But

I think, I think, if, you're trying to navigate that as the family, you don't want Indianapolis, you don't want the Giants, and you probably don't want New Orleans. I think you just want to go carve your own path somewhere and be your own person and not have to follow up the legacy that is already built by that name, you know, that is just you're never going to be able to live up to it. Yeah, that, that would, that would make a lot of sense. And what they've proven with Eli and San Diego the Chargers back in the day, is that

they are willing to tell teams he's not going there. So if it's the Browns, he's probably going to say I'm not going there. Now my understanding is the owner actually is pretty close with the family and Jimmy Haslam's his name or whatever. But for me, I would

anticipate if the Browns have that pick, he's going back to college or he's saying trade me because I'm not playing there. We've been through it with Eli. We're going to do it with this kid. He's going to maybe handpicked to an extent where he's going to end up going. We should do a list.

Top five best situations for Arch Manning. For Arch Manning. Well, listen, he's got to get through this year first. They are a two and a half point dog to the Buckeyes on Saturday. That's a 12 o'clock kickoff too. I love that. It'd be great under the lights, but I don't mind

starting a college game day right into it. I know ESPN's going to be on the grounds. I think Fox is going to be on the grounds. It's going to be pretty cool. But yeah, that's a good question Giants had three wins last year They've been terrible They've been terrible

Like what if it's Jacksonville What if San Francisco is horrible this year It just paid party though But the thing is You would A find a way to move the money And B you wouldn't be in a rush To get this guy in Like you could have 30 for a year

And maybe make some changes around the team I don't think they're going to be that bad bad, though. I think what if it's Miami? Miami could be. Miami feels like a powder keg that could just explode. But Miami's never won anything, you know, since 72, basically. I wonder what they would think about that coach. Because he's, like, I don't know, like,

Mike McDaniel, I don't know if he's going to survive. Like, if they're the worst team in the league, he's not the coach anymore anyway. Right. Yeah, I guess that's getting, that guy's getting the ax. It feels like he would be an interesting guy that they would have conversations about because he seems like a brilliant guy. What about Vegas, Tom Brady? Imagine Archmanning, teaming up with Tom Brady.

And Pete Carroll as the coach. I think there's your number one spot right there. That could be it. I think there's your number one spot. Takeover Vegas. Yeah, because, you know, the Giants, again, three-win team. But, like, Tennessee just took Cam Moore. Cleveland's a mess.

He's not going there. New England's got Drake May. Jaggs, I think they'd move off Trevor Lawrence if they're that bad again. Carolina, though. It could be Carolina. They could be the worst team in the league. You want to stay away from places that are just cesspools for... What if it's Dallas?

Being terrible. What if Dallas is the first overall pitch? I can't see Dallas being that bad. Okay. Me neither, but you never know. All right. Mike Tanabom, coming up. His take on this and more.

We'll get to our Best Betts Powered by Fandoah. We'll do that next. Okay, Best Fets powered by Fandole will make your picks and assemble a same game parley in seconds on the Fandle's Sportsbook app. It's Futures Day on Fandual. I'm on the Bills plus $7.50 to win the Super Bowl. I'm sticking with it. That's my pitch.

I'm on the bills to do it. Their final year at the Ralph, they start their new stadium, the new voyage at the new stadium, by putting a banner up day one. Opening night, Thursday, next year. Unbelievable. I like the over-on-the-win totals for Houston.

We just talked about them. I like the Packers, 10-plus wins. Get a little bit of plus money on that. I really like Green Bay this year. Of course you do. I'm going with the under nine wins, eight-and-a-half total, under plus money on the Bengals.

under eight and a half wins. The Bengals, I'm not buying a Bengals right now. No, something about them seems flaking. I just don't think they improved. Yeah, no, quarterback's going to be great, but Burroughs been hurt a lot in his career too. He's gotten through Camp Clean, which is big. They had such a remarkable season offensively last year,

and it still wasn't enough for them to get there. And I just, I wonder about that. Now that Chase isn't chasing the money, you got the money. Now that you've spent so much on Chase, Borough, Higgins, Hendrickson now, where else is the money going? And who have they, how have they improved? And they're in a tough conference. It's still the same issue, right?

Tough division. The O line is going to be a problem and Burroughs going to get chased down and he's got to deal with a lot, even though he's got weapons. It's great, right? You've got to spend money on weapons, but you've got to be able to get the ball to the weapons. Yes, exactly. Exactly what you've got to do. But we're through camp. And a lot of cuts being made today,

a lot of tough decisions being made today. A guy that's done that throughout his career. An executive in the NFL joins us now. Here he is from ESPN NFL front office insider Mike Tanabom. What's happening, Mike? Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, how you doing? You're getting flashbacks?

Like, how difficult was this day as a GM to have to basically just kill dreams and make that decision and cut guys? I mean, it's got to be incredibly emotional to go through that. Yeah, by far the worst day of the year. You know, it's a privilege to run an NFL team, and I was fortunate to do it for a while, but without question, the worst day of the year is today. And, you know, typically you would tell the players, you know, the same thing, which is like, look, you know, we could be wrong.

You know, maybe we were making a mistake and, you know, continue to pursue your dream. You never know. And hopefully it works out someplace else. Well, last night, the news came out. Kenny Pickett traded from Cleveland, which means they're going to have Joe Flacco as their starter, who is the definition of a vet with Dylan, Gabriel, and Shadour Sanders as the two and three quarterbacks down there. Do you see Flacco playing every game this year? And if so, or if not, like, how does it work with Gabriel and Sanders? And how loud do you think that story is going to continue to be?

Yeah, you know, it's remarkable, guys. Like, if we went back to, you know, start a training camp in mid-July, you know, the only quarterback to stay healthy was the 40-year-old Joe Flacco. So what's really remarkable, Kenny Pickett gets hurt. You know, eventually he gets traded to the Raiders, and Shador Sanders hurts his obli. and Dylan Gabriel hurt his hamstrings. So, you know, if you said to me, do I think he'll play in all 17 games,

my answer would be no. But if we were on in mid-July guys, and you said that three of the four quarterbacks got hurt, I would say, oh, one of them would have to be Joe Flacco. So, you know, crazier things have happened. We were talking in the previous segment about Arch Manning and, you know, what this year kind of entails for him and maybe he doesn't come out of college right away. How do you see this season going for him?

and is there maybe an NFL team that's near the bottom of the standings or you predict is going to be near the bottom of the standings that you think, well, that could be the spot where he goes where he considers coming out ahead of time? Yeah, you know, first of all, I'd be surprised if he came out just from a standpoint of, by all accounts, he's really happy at Texas. You know, in this NIL era guys, like it's, you know,

one of these things where, you know, players are getting paid way more than they have in the past. So, you know, I think the one story that everyone's kind of monitoring is like, well, what happens if it happens with the Saints? You know, so he went to Newman High School in New Orleans. Obviously, his grandfather was a legend for the Saints. His uncles are from New Orleans. So I don't think he'll come out, but if he did, to me, that would be the scenario.

Yeah, that would be something, man, because we were discussing that. Like, do you want to kind of write your own passage and find your own spot? Or, like, they just, that's, their royalty in New Orleans, man. And it sure seems like it, Mike, that the Saints are going to be in contention for him, aren't they? Like, they look like they're going to be terrible this year. I think they have pretty good skill players, Rashid, Heath, if he's healthy, Chris Olive, Alvin Camara. Offensive line, I think it's better than people realize. So, you know, I think it's about, you know, the health of their skill players.

And look, they're in a tough division because I think Tampa Bay is really good. So we'll see. You know, there's always a surprise in the NFL, as we know. Absolutely. Mike Tanabom and VSP. Where do you stand on the Buffalo? bills and the idea that this could possibly be the year where they break through, if that happens, you know, how does it play out? Why would that happen? Why would this be the year? Could be the year

for the bills? Look, they're hard to beat, you know, Coach Belichick, who had the prides of working for, always talked about in football, you know, oftentimes your opponent will lose the game before you have to win it. And I think, you know, the way the bills play, they don't turn it over, they don't get sacked, they have arguably the best quarterback outside of Patrick Mahomes. So I think it starts with that. I think they're really well coached by Sean McDermick. And then you look at, you know, is it going to be Dalton King Kay, Kien Kulman that steps up? Khalil Shakir is obviously a very good slot player.

So I think there's enough skill there. Maybe not the most explosive group in the world, but I think they're going to be really hard to beat. Now that we're getting closer to the season, are you surprised that Micah Parsons still doesn't have a deal? and is there any, I don't know, is there any take on how this situation could play out, should play out, do you think he's back? Like, I don't know. How do you make sense of what's happening in Dallas? Yeah, no, it's a great question.

Look, I thought Terry McClaren and Trey Hendrickson were harder to get done given their ages. You know, you look at someone like Michael Parsons, who's 26, 52 sacks, it's a no-brainer, like, you know, in the system, guys, you hope to hit on somebody like, you know, Michael Parsons. So a little surprise that hasn't happened, but, you know, there's a little bit more time before opening day. Yeah, well, I mean, not for them compared to the other teams in the league because they're in Philly in nine days or whatever it is.

That's right. You know, it happens quick. They're opening night, man. And, I mean, what is, let's say Parsons signs tonight. What is your projection of what the Cowboys are going to be this year? You know, I think they're maybe the third best team. You know, now that McClorin's back in Washington, guys, I'm very, very bullish on the commanders.

I don't know how much Vaughn Miller has left, but maybe it's 15 sacks a game. It makes it snaps a game in terms of, like, helping in the fourth quarter. But I think Trey Amos is a good second-round pick. I think Javon Kinlaw is going to help. And, you know, now on the offensive side with, you know, Jane Daniels getting sacked 47 times last year, they had a tonsil.

They drafted Josh. Colin in the first round. I think they're going to be very good. All right, we'll leave it there. Enjoy the opening of the season. Thank you, Mike. All right, thanks so much for having guys. Really appreciate it. You got it. Mike Tannenbaum with ESPN. Yeah, we got games Thursday night,

Friday night, down in South America. Yeah. I love that. Chargers chiefs down. Travis Kelsey, just got engaged. The guy's got to fly to South America. If you were Travis Kelsey, would you have done this earlier in the summer? Or do you just... I don't know. Time is right. I feel like this is their two-year anniversary.

I know way too much about these people. You know that this is a two-year... I'm pretending like I don't, but someone tweeted in saying it's their two-year anniversary. Don't lie. You got a text from your wife. No, actually, she's been busy. She did send me the original report.

I was very excited. Do you want to hear something? I was, like, just doing a token 20-minute bike ride today. And I heard, like, an audible gasp upstairs from my wife. And I was like, what's that noise? And sure enough, I go on Twitter and there was tweeted out like 20 seconds ago. Yep. Like that was how the news was perceived in our household.

I love it. Yeah. Very exciting. Very passionate fan base. Very passionate fan base. Very much so. So, yeah, we got games in nine days, man. Nine days.

Yep. Cannot wait. Yeah. Got a fantasy draft in a couple of nights. Yeah. Do you guys do that in person? No, it's always online. That's the thing.

Now you guys get older. It's online. It's just throw it late at night. everyone gets the kids down. That's exactly what it's got to be. Yeah. That's exactly what it's going to be. That's the way it is.

All the young guys, they'll get together in person. Yeah, and then we've had this one hockey one that we've done online forever, even when we were all in school, like 20, almost 25 years ago, we would still do it online, which was so stupid. That one, every single year, it's the same thing. No one remembers our buddy who's been the commissioner for the last 10 years or whatever it is because it used to be another guy, and he's like, I can't do this anymore.

He's driving me crazy. He just got out of it. Basically, the night before the season starts, he sends a text saying, are we doing this? I forgot about this. And it's like, I guess, but we should probably do it in the next hour. And somehow everyone gets on the same group chat,

and we just do it. And there's no preparation. There's none of it. And I'm anticipating the same thing will happen this year. Yeah, that's exactly. About October 5th, someone will reach out. So are we doing that hockey pool again for the 25th year in a row? Yeah, sure, I guess so.

And there's going to be a lot. at least one or two guys that lose interest or forget about it halfway through the season. And you're like, there's no way that guy's paying attention to his roster this week. Yeah, there's just no way. Yeah, exactly. All the time that happens. Yeah. Because we've, we implemented the head-to-head in hockey a few years ago, which I wasn't a big proponent of, but we did it.

And there's way too many guys who it's just don't have a starting goalie for the week. Because it's like their fifth, their fifth tier pool that they're in. Like, couldn't be bothered. Yeah. Got my big money pool. I got to take care of. Also, living life. I just have responsibilities.

That's a part of it, too. And if your team stinks, it's so demoralizing. If you're a month in and you realize you're like, I just pick the garbage team and I have no chance. I have no chance. Yeah. And that reality hits you pretty quickly. That's what, it's so cool about NFL fantasy right now.

It's uber positive. Everyone's jacked, can't wait for it, picking. You'll be, you're two weeks away from realizing your team sucks and you've got to wait until next year. Do you care what grade you get? No. whether it's like Yahoo. I never get a good grade, and I've won sometimes, you know, up and down.

You win every once in a while. I find the grades are completely bogus. Or else you would just put on auto draft and say, draft me the A-plus team. Exactly. And you'd win every year. But it doesn't happen that way. It does not happen that way. All right, Frankie, good stuff, man.

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