OverDrive - OverDrive - August 29, 2025 - Hour 2 - Steve Phillips/Clarence Hill Jr

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Dave Feschuk for hour two of OverDrive! The guys get more into the Micah Parsons trade and how tough it would be being a Dallas sports fan. They were then joined by TSN Baseball Insider Steve Phillips to preview this weekend’s series vs the Brewers. Cowboys writer Clarence Hill Jr. wrapped the hour up by joining the guys to discuss the Cowboys trading Parsons and what it means for the Cowboys. They wrapped the hour up by discussing Mitch Marner’s sit-down interview with Mark Masters.

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The fallout of the Micah Parsons deal, Kenny Clark on his way there. Kenny will be playing, obviously for the Cowboys on Thursday night in Philly. Less than a week away from the NFL. We had college football being played last night. It happens quickly, man. All of a sudden, it's football weather here in Toronto today. How do you love to be a Dallas sports fan? In the same year, you trade Luca, you also trade away Micah.

And why is the question on both fronts? Crazy, man. Like, Frankie brought that up yesterday, that in the same calendar year, like the two biggest superstars in Dallas, I would think. You know, maybe DAC, maybe the quarterback of the Cowboys is always the number one guy. maybe. Maybe Cedee Lamb, but like Parsons was just unanimously loved because he was so young and all he does is terrorize the opposition and he chase his quarterbacks down and double-digit sacks and all pro every single year. Like what's not to love about Micah Parsons?

And Luca, Luca was larger than life. You know, he was larger than life. And they had been in the NBA finals the year before and they're both gone. And they both go to the, like the Lakers and the Packers, like it's not like they sent them to some obscure place. No. I get that feels like an oxymoron with Green Bay because Green Bay is Green Bay, Wisconsin, but the Packers are a massively public

team that's always good and always on prime time and always in the playoffs. So, and Luca went to the Lakers. You know, it would be one thing if you did your fans a service, like it's a disservice to flip both guys, but if you're going to do it, send

Luca to Sacramento and send Parsons to like Tennessee or something like that. Right. And the point is too, Hayes, like both these trades kind of went the same way in terms of when you have an asset that is that valuable, a Luca Donchich

MVP caliber guy, game changing player, a Micah Parsons, a guy who can literally change games with the way he terrorizes quarterbacks. You don't just pick one trading partner and trade them to that one team. You hold an auction

and you get the whole league out there bidding for these guys and you extract the maximum return possible for the greatest asset you're probably going to have in the terms of the Mavericks. I mean, a generational type asset, Micah Parsons might not be quite that good, but he's pretty damn close, man. I mean, the idea that, isn't it just bizarre

that these trades went down very similarly where, you know, for reasons we still don't fully understand on both fronts, those teams, went to essentially one team and said, okay, let's make a deal. Yeah, it's a very good point about like the worst possible time to make the deal based

on leverage. Yes. You know, like that was in a, like Luca was in the middle of the season. If you do that in the summer, if you announce that the draft, Luca's available. You're getting 29 other teams calling you. And it's just a trade war. And by the end of July, you probably got

five or six unbelievable offers in front of you. And you take the best one. And you're right. It was as if, like, the Mavericks just decided the lake, he's just going to the Lakers. That's it. We're just going to work with them. And the only thing we want is Anthony Davis. And at least, like, street close is a player.

You know, the guy's hurt all the time. And he literally got hurt in Dallas and kind of sewered the rest of their season. But Kenny Clark is a 29-year-old, soon-to-be-30-year-old defensive tackle coming off probably the worst year of his career. Yeah. You know, and that was like, that was the pitch that Jones made last night was what we need. We needed a tackle. We need to stop the run. Okay. Yeah.

You know, and it was the same thing with the masks. Well, we needed some size. You know, defense wins championships. So street closes our guy. Like, what are you doing? It's so funny. Yeah. Nico Harrison said essentially the same thing as Jerry Jones.

Nico said defense wins championships and Jerry was saying there's something called stop in the run. Well, come on, man. Yeah. Let's get serious. It's a cop out, man. It's a complete copode. Now, the Mavs, you know, they end up winning the draft lottery, which is kind of crazy

when you think about it and, you know, they might be able to get out of this. I have no faith the Cowboys will. I have no faith, obviously, because of Jerry Jones. But, you know, like if you're in Dallas, you've already moved on because you've got Cooper Flag. I guess in Dallas, what they're hoping for is Arch Manning now. You know, that's the big thing.

You've got to hope that Arch Manning is a guy that they're going to somehow miraculously either tank for or trade all these picks away and go get them. But the thing is, if Arch Manning turns into who we think he's going to turn into. I don't think he's going to come out this year. Maybe he will. But if he is like this all-world manning, you know, the third generation, no one's trading that pick. No. Like it doesn't matter if you, if you offer up 15 first round picks, no one's trading it. Like if that's what he represents, if Archmanning is going to be the next all-time great

quarterback, the Packers two first and you're two first and a couple of thirds, you're not getting them. Like it's not, the trade's not going to happen. They're just going to hang up the phone. So you have to tank for them. It's the only way you can possibly get them in Dallas, and I don't think that's going to happen. The other bizarre thing is they trade these, they trade with the Packers for two first-round picks.

The problem is they're the Packers' picks. And the Packers just got exponentially better because you just handed them Micah Parsons. That's right. I mean, so they're not going to be good picks. No, they've been in the place. The last two years, Green Bay. And, you know, Jordan Love stays healthy.

They're going to do it again this year. So exactly. The pigs are in the 20s at best, maybe even 30s if they make the Super Bowl, which would not surprise me in the next two years. More on that later in the hour. Here's our baseball insider joining us here on the Maple Toyota hotline. Here's Steve Phillips.

You're not a Lions fan, are you, Steve? Of course I'm a Lions fan. The Packers can't get past the Lions. Come on, Steve. Did you guys hear Michael Parsons got traded? Yes, I heard about that. Pretty big news down there, isn't it? Seems like it's pretty big news.

Oh, my gosh, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. It is. The reality is the NFL, the NFL rules. I mean, it really does. They have, you know, now, you know, the owners in baseball will tell you that it's in part they rule because of the salary cap. Right. Right. You know, but that's, I don't think that's true. I think it's because, you know, every game is an event. And, you know, they, you know, 17 games and, you know, it's an event versus, you know, a marathon. And so I just think it's a different thing to consume from a fan's perspective.

But, yeah, the small market orders will tell you, that could be us. That's right. We just get a salary cap. Yep, that's right. And here's a scenario where this is the Yankees trading, you know, Aaron Judge to the pirates, you know, in terms of market size. And in terms of like, like Green Bay's got, whatever, 200,000 people in that town. And Dallas and the, you know, the cowboys are worth more than any. other franchise in the world. It's pretty incredible.

But it does just fall in their lap because the Packers were in Dallas week four on Sunday night. Like that just, you can't beat that and that's the end of the baseball season. Like you guys are going to be on MLB Network, breaking down all the different playoff situations on that Sunday, and

the whole world is going to be watching Packers Cowboys on Sunday night. Like, it's going to be crazy. You'll be watching. I'll be watching the MLB Network. I will be, yes. I appreciate that. I will be for sure. Cause will be watching on the Lovie Network as well. That's right.

Right. And Dave, I think you might be watching it, although I think you might flip over, have two TVs on at the same time. Yes. That's right. Yeah, that's right. I'm a two TV guy. Absolutely.

All right, Steve. Well, hey, man, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you a place where the NFL does not rule because baseball is ruling Toronto right now, Steve, as you know. And we are in for, we hope, a great series here with the two best teams in Major League Baseball down at the dome. with the Brewers in town, the National League, major league leading brewers in town, Steve.

And we just had Eric Kratzom. We were talking about this Brewers team, and he was saying how similar their story arc and the way they play baseball is to the Blue Jays. A little bit of an unexpected magical season where they're at the top of the standings when very few people thought they would be. I mean, how seriously should we be taking these brewers?

Oh, my goodness. I think very seriously. I mean, they don't have the best record in baseball. football for no reason. I mean, this is a very balanced team. They're tops and runs scored, runs per game, and they're like 17th or 18th in home runs, although the month of August, they've started to hit more. But they've got outstanding starting pitching. They've got a big three in Woodruff, Peralta, and Mizorowski, and Canton has been a great number four for them, and Quinn Priester's been a great number five for them. I mean, he's got 10, double-digit

wins and an all-stars. So, I mean, they're five deep in starting pitching, kind of like the Jays are. But the bullpen has been better than the Jays. Now, Tyler McGill, their closer is on the injured list with a flexor tendon strain. I'm hearing that it's minor and that it's just giving them a bit of a break. But they've got outstanding setup man in Yerebe and mirrors. And so they've got some good arms and Ashby out in the bullpen from the left side. And they are a great defensive team like the Blue Jays are.

So, yeah, they're similar in some ways. I do like the Brewer's bullpen, though, better than the Jays. I wrote about the Jays bullpen today for .C.A and, you know, a 5.40 ERA since the trade deadline. It's now the third worst, only because Atlanta gave up all the home runs of Schwerber yesterday. The Jays had the second worst bullpen ERA going to the yesterday, and then it changed because Atlanta now is the second worst, the Jays are the third worst. but also the Js have the second highest walk rate out of their relievers since the All-Star break. And that's the problem. If you look at the numbers for their relievers since the All-Star break, they're all, you know, eight walks and ten innings, you know, five walks and ten

innings. You know, Sir Anthony Dominguez, I think, has nine walks and eight innings. And, you know, you cannot put extra base runners on. And it really seems like it's an entire, it's been contagious that unwillingness to get strike one to work ahead in the count to throw it over the plate that there's this thought that they need to nibble and miss bats and that's where they really I think have the biggest disadvantage in this matchup. Yeah, the bullpen, it was a wild ride a couple of nights ago where, you know, Hoffman blows the save in game two of the series and then comes back out in a carbon copy situation and ends up getting the save

and it got a little bit dicey there. But what does that say of Schneider's approach here? like he may not fully trust Hoffman but does he does he trust him more than any other option is that basically what he's saying yeah right so the one thing about Hoffman did to give him credit right for a closer the key is that once you blow a game what do you do the next time out and i went through and looked at his seven blowing saves and and you know through the first six of them uh he actually came out and uh and did a really good job like through the first five of them and got zeros the next time. You know, either didn't get, you know, just got an out, got out in an inning, or he got a save, but he didn't give up anything. But then he had the back-to-backblown saves at one point. And so he does have that ability to flush out the bad day and come back the next day,

which is a great trait for a closer. It's just that he's having too many opportunities to have to prove that he can flush it out, right? I mean, the seven blown saves is the second most. I think Ryan Helsley, who's with the Mets now, who's really struggling out of their bullpen and who was the closer at St. Louis has eight blow and saves. So, you know, it's been an issue. And it's one that I would stick with Hoffman.

But in the meantime, because I don't think anything dramatic right now sends a message of panic. But what I do is I really do think that in the playoffs, they're not going to have Lauer likely or Burios in the rotation. I mean, if it's three starters, then it's going to be Gosman, Scher, and Beaver. If it's four, Bassett probably is that fourth guy. And so I really do think that Breos and Lauer will be options in the bullpen, and I think they need them.

And I think that, you know, you don't have to say that I'm going to close somebody else, but there will be a time when, you know, it's gone extra innings or, you know, Hoffman's in trouble, you need to take them out, or he threw back-to-back days and he's not available to really give somebody else that shot there. And I think it's likely Burrios for me. I would love to see that for him. I think he's got a resilient arm and that wipeout sweeper that could be effective. But I think he's got to gradually try to at least build in some protection for somebody else in the late innings,

even if he doesn't use them for the night. Steve, some news down at the dome today with the idea that Anthony Santander is expected to take batting practice. today. He's going to travel with the team after this series down to Cincinnati, and there's this idea that his rehab stint will start shortly thereafter coming off this shoulder problem that's kept him out of the lineup since late May. We were just talking Hayes and I about how, you know, integrating a guy who's notoriously slow starter, as good as he can be, 40 plus home run guy a year ago, had a really slow start to this year, partly because of injury, of course. this is going to be a challenge for John Schneider

to integrate him and find a way to get some use out of that bat will not sort of hurting the integrity of a lineup that's been working really well. How would you approach that? And what's your level of concern that it sort of upsets the chemistry of the team? Yeah, so it's a tough one. It is a tough one.

You know, I think that as long as Laddie's hamstring is okay and he'll be at first base, he can use the DH hole and play with that a bit. now, you know, Ty France is getting some of the baths, and he's done a nice job, Ty France, so far. You know, I don't want to mess up Barger getting at bass, but he is struggling a little bit right now. And so I think it's going to be a challenge

like when the Yankees had Stanton come back. And, you know, they had, you know, Grisham hitting home runs in the outfield, and, you know, Dominguez kid in the outfield performing well, and, you know, where were they going to fit everybody with Bellinger? But, you know, those things tend to work themselves out, and thank God that Stanton came back when he did

because he's carried them for a while, even with Judge's elbows. So, you know, I think that you're right. It can disrupt the rhythm of the bats where guys could be frustrated, and it's going to take really good teammates right now to just accept and welcome him back in. And, you know, it behooves everybody

if he gets in and swings the bat well. Right now it's not about who's getting the playing time. It's about let's win a championship, and they're going to have to put that in the forefront. And that's the same for Judge Snyder, that he's going to have to, he can put Santander in there, but in the end,

this isn't a time to give him a runway to get right. This is a time to win games. And so his rehab assignment needs to be one where I think they make it extended until he proves he's ready to hit and locked in. Then you bring him back. And if he's successful right away, then you've got a great problem you have to deal with.

Otherwise, you're trying to pound a square peg into a round hole, and I don't think you can even try to do it. You've got to try to win a game. So we got Shane Bieber on the mound tonight, and Nanny looked good a week ago tonight, but this is another long layoff, right? They went with the six-man rotation. They had an off day yesterday.

First start at the Rogers Center as a Blue Jay. What is your expectation for him tonight? Yeah, I think the same thing as he did last week. I mean, I think he's, like, the moment's not too big for him. He'll thrive on the

energy of the fan base and the support he's going to get. And, you know, the extra time doesn't bother me for him either. You know, on rehab assignments, you tend to sort of spread it out a little bit anyways in a little longer. So I think that none of that's going to affect him. And if it does, it would only be early and then he'll get locked in and settled in. You know, he's got such an assortment of pitches that if something's not working early, he always has something else to go to, which is nice from a pitcher's perspective,

that if you don't have the feel for your curb ball, okay, let me throw my slider, let me throw my cutter, let me use the change up a little more, and I'll find my way until I get a feel for the curve ball. So I expect much of the same from him, and that's, boy, you love having to pitch the first game of a series. You know, you run him out there, the level of confidence in a big series against Milwaukee, a very good team. Peralta on the mount, it's a great matchup, and this is going to be a fun week in a baseball. You've got the best record in the American League, best record in the National League.

and two really fun teams to watch. It is going to be really a weekend to go watch games up there. Dave, I mean, there's concern, of course, that there's two pretty hot teams right on the heels of the Blue Jays with the Yankees and the Red Sox, what they won, four and five in a row, respectively. The Yankees have got a few more against the White Sox. The Red Sox got a few against the Pirates.

Not that you can take any team lightly in Major League Baseball, but, you know, what is your level of concern that, you know, the Yankees are mashing, they're heating up, the bats are incredibly hot right now, and the Red Sox are a really young intriguing team that's on the rise here. I mean, like, this is not going to be an easy fight here, and how do you handicap it? Yeah, I look at it and say, bring it on. Like, let's go. We're the blue jays.

Like, bring it on. Like, we've got a three and a half game lead, four in the loss column for a reason. and we have the tiebreaker because we kick your butt, so bring it on. Like, you know, you guys can try to catch us if you want. And I think for the Jays, you know, one of the things that's always good is to strive for the thing in front of you and as opposed to looking over your shoulder. And I think that, you know, so, you know, for the Mets right now, they now have closed the gap on the Phillies where they can start.

They've got something to charge for instead of worrying about looking at the reds on their heels in the playoffs trying to catch them. And I think for the Js, maintaining the best record, is a really good thing. With the home record the Blue Jays have, they need to be the one seed. So beat Detroit, stay ahead of Detroit.

That's got to be the goal. Forget about the Yankees, the Red Sox. They're not going to come close to us because we're going to keep winning because we want the number one seed because, I mean, with a 42 and 22 record at home,

you want as much of a home field advantage as you can throughout the entire playoffs, and they've got that opportunity in front of them. So I don't think you even worry about looking over your shoulder. I think you just charge ahead. absolutely and you know we're talking about this at 4 p.m that this is a marquee weekend every game's important every series is important but you got the top team in the nL and the brewers you got you know them and the tigers the tigers and the top two teams in the american league it's a hugely important

litmus test but at yankee stadium next week and then they got the red socks i believe the following week like those are the two series right like you stay in the moment they're all going to, they're all going to pair at the same cliches, one game at a time, one pitch at a time, one at a bat at a time. This will be significant. And you can make a statement that I think can ring out throughout baseball. But in terms of just the American League East and the chase, like that three-game series next weekend at Yankee Stadium, that's as big as it gets. Yeah, no question about that. And I'm hoping to get down to one of those games there as well.

I think it's going to be so much fun to watch those teams go at it. And, you know, and the way that they've lined up the pitching, they've got it lined up to get their guys, you know, their main three lined up for that Yankee series. And it'll be the same three. It'll be, you know, Gossman and Beaver and Scherzer lined up again for that series next weekend. And so the Jay's got it lined up the way that they want.

And you can't let any one game or anything happening in the standings to deflect or distract you. You just got to keep playing your best baseball. One pitch at a time, one inning in a time, one game at a time. I'm going to throw that close to you at you. And so I'm just, I'm prepping you for what you're going to hear from the players. But I do think that that's the way they have to – they can't worry about winning games. They've got to win pitch, one pitch at a time.

When you do that, you end up winning enough games. Hey, Steve, I really liked you. You were talking earlier in the chat here about your column on TSN.ca, about the problems with the Blue Jays bullpen. and maybe you can just expand on that a bit. I mean, you pointed out really something that I hadn't considered, you know, maybe as much as you had, which is that, you know, they're not really challenging hitters in the way they should be. And we've heard that, you know, Ross Atkins came on this show,

we talked about how that is the mentality they're encouraging is to challenge hiters and to, you know, to not be afraid to throw strikes, don't nibble around the edges, don't be afraid. And consequently, don't be afraid to get hit. But they're having a hard time finding that balance. So why do you think that is? Yeah, I think that it's confidence is what it is. I do.

I really think it's confidence because when you throw a good – when you throw your fastball and they hit it and you think yourself as a pitcher, oh, okay, well, I better make the perfect pitch. I better throw it right on the corner. I better throw it right up in the spot I want in the zone. I can't make any sort of a margin for error. And then what ends up happening is, oh, it's ball one, ball two. And then what you have to do is you actually.

they have to throw your fastball over the plate to get back into the count, and that's when they whack you. And so, you know, and so the courage and confidence to throw the first pitch over for a strike is so critical, whatever that is, to throw it for a strike, even if you catch more of the plate than you want to, because then it changes the entire bat. Then you can start a pitch on the plate and break it off, and the hitter sees strike, because he just saw a strike, and he can then start to chase. When you're not starting it on the plate, they're in take mode because until you're,

and so what they do, they keyhole you and say, if it's not right down the middle, I'm going to take it. And so there's a mentality, and look, this feels contagious in their bullpen right now, that they all feel that way, you know, and maybe, you know, Hoffman's got, is tied for, or he's got the second most home runs for any reliever, any pitcher has just been a reliever all year. He has 12 home runs he's allowed Hoffman. The guy in front of him was Chad Green, who had 14 who got released. So he's now among active pitchers, the guy with the most home runs allowed, that's exclusively Benar Lieber.

And it's because sometimes he falls behind in the count, and then he's got to throw it over the plate. You know, and then the hitter is in command at that point. So this has to be a mentality. And I almost, the other thought I had was if Burrios goes down there, you've got a fresh personality, a fresh approach, a guy who is more of a strike. thrower. And you can start to get guys talking about. Get in the zone. You've got to throw a strike one. Get ahead. It takes confidence and courage to do it, but they've got to make that

adjustment because ball one, ball two, you bring a guy in with runners on, he walks the first guy. All it does is compound the problem. And they're doing it because they want to avoid contact. Trust your stuff and trust the best defense in baseball. Trust them that if it's put in play, they'll make a play for you. But do not give them extra base. is an extra base runners. All right, Steve. Enjoy the weekend, buddy. It's going to be a good one.

We'll do it again soon. Thank you for this. You got it. Thanks for having me guys. There's Steve Phillips. You too. Joining us from the Maple Toyota Hotline, drive the built-in-canada fuel-efficient

funded drive Toyota Rav4. Gas or hybrid models available. Visit mapletoita.com. Yeah, I can said that to us a few weeks ago. We can live with the home runs. You've thrown strikes. Be aggressive. Get after it.

And that's, you know, they're giving up home runs, but also not being aggressive. You know, a bit of a conundrum there for them. But something's got to turn here. This bullpen just, it can't continue. And Milwaukee's going to expose it. The Yankees next week will expose it. It's got to be better.

And we'll see what comes of it tonight. All right. We'll come back and head down to Dallas and get back into the Micah Parsons story and the fallout and where Jerry Jones takes it from here, how Cowboys are reacting, what Parsons is going to bring to Green Bay. We'll get back into the Marner Masters sit down out at the Canadian Olympic orientation yesterday and Mitch getting into some of the reasoning as to why he left Toronto or felt that he should leave Toronto. So we'll touch on that a little bit later this afternoon as

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That's careerfoundation.com. Changing lives, one job at a time. All right, Dave Naler in about an hour. FFL on TSN tonight. We got the college football going this weekend. Man, that's going to be a big game tomorrow, Texas, Ohio State. I'm not a huge college football guy, but I want to see Arch Manning play on the road.

That's the number one team in the country versus the number three team. That is how you start a college football season. Seriously, man. It doesn't get better than that, man. What a launching pad. It's incredible. So we've got that, and then on Thursday night,

you got the Cowboys in Philly playing the Eagles. We're less than a week away from opening night in the NFL. And I guess it got started last night yesterday around this time yesterday. Michael Parsons was announced he's on his way to Green Bay for Kenny Clark and two first round picks and a guy who's covered the Cowboys for a long time joins us now. A writer with D-L-L-S sports. Here's Clarence Hill Jr. How you doing, Clarence? Hey, what's up, guys? I'm glad you talking about college football because I'm in Columbus

right now, get right over to Texas Ohio State Showdown. And I'll send him to the first college last night with Jerry basically defended his decision to get rid of a generational talent in similarly all the record Hall of Fame past Russia in its prime year 26 in Michael Park. Yeah, man. I mean, okay, so I have a feeling where you're going with this or how you feel

about it based on the way you just described that scenario yesterday, but is there any way to spin this positively for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys? Can you be a contrarian here and say, this is why it could make sense at some point? Sure. I mean,

First of all, let's just line one. You don't trade a past stretcher for a noseguard, okay? Right? Yes. Can we agree on that? Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's not to be disputed, okay? And Kenny Clark is a good player.

He shouldn't be, you know, run down in any of the part of the scenario. You're going to trade the passports for nose cards. Kitty Clark is not a player to Mike Parsons, even though he's a solid guard. But the two first-round picks, the cops have four picks in the top. top of 117 over the next two years. Certainly, you can flip those for more picks. You know, Jerry tried to compare it to the Hersson Walker trade in 1989 when they take a Hershey-Herson-Walking in Minnesota

but Bush were a pick and based on the foundation of those title teams. This is not that, okay? This is certainly not that. But, yeah, there's hope for the future. The problem is, who cares about the damn future in Dallas? They have one in 30 years. You pay them That price at the top of the market

$60 million. You pay a city lamb At the top of the market The goal is to win now, isn't it? You would think so. You would think so. It's not waiting for another couple of years for it to pay off, right?

When you pick some, you want to win now. So that's a talk part. But yeah, you can spend it positively and talk about the picks, and now that's going to help build them and I can spin it to other people. and do whatever, but that's two, three years away, and the window for that is the next two or three years.

So, Clarence, you know, I love your Twitter bio. You talk about how you're a Cowboys writer since 97, through seven coaches, four playoff wins, countless scandals, controversies, and unfulfilled expectations. So in all the stuff you've seen in Jerry's world, over those many, many years you've been covering this team. Like, where does this affair, the Parsons' Affair and Ultimate Trade rank in terms of the shake-your-head moments?

Well, it's shocking because, Jerry, you know, this is my first year on the B-Barr-Swiths got arrested at the airport, taking a gun to train. So, you know, it was in the middle of the Michael Lervin trial, and I've seen all this stuff. But considering those people, personalities, characters, those teams, It was shocking, but it necessarily wasn't surprising that those stuff was happening. Jerry's never let a player he wanted to keep go.

He's never let a player in his crime go. A generation, they've always found a way to sign them. You know, the only players that let go after playing well was really Demarco Murray, and they didn't think he was a generational running back, which was food. But they don't generally let guys go like that. city. They always find a way to figure it out with Jack and they figure it out with CD and they figure it out with Des and figured out with Jack Martin. They always find a way to figure out and keep his guys, you know, so shocking that he let his guy go. You know,

and this is a guy that he bonded with. You know, he tried to get a Michael Irving type relationship with Michael Parker. He tried to, he wanted Micah to be his Michael, which is Michael, called him Michael, or Michael Parsons all the time. You know, he tried to have that. 40 and clip, so to speak. So it's... Jerry got mad. He got mad because Michael, Micah, excuse me that I'm doing it,

did not... He thought Micah really didn't on the deal they had. He thought Micah was disloyal. Not Micah, you know, basically, they had a handshake deal and now he can't trust Micah. And he got mad and he made the trade

because that was certainly not the plan coming in and that Jerry was ready and willing to make him the highest, paid non-quarterball. With Clarence Hill Jr. So you know everything there is to know about Michael Parsons' his career. You've covered him since day one. You've seen him. I think he finished second in defensive player

of the year. Voting is a rookie. A double-digit sacks every single year of his career. If a Green Bay Packer fan calls you up, says Clarence, what are we getting here? And how much did this guy just improve our chances of chasing a Super Bowl? How would you answer that? Well, again, you got a generation of a player. You got a guy, you got your Joe White. How about that?

Are you old enough? Are they always that the number of Reggie White going to Green Bay? Absolutely. Who those are you to remember that? And when Reggie White came to Green Bay and took them to the Super Bowl, you got a guy that could be the missing piece to a Super Bowl one. You got a talented team. You got a quarterback.

They got a talented lineback in Edgar and Cooper. Michael Parsons and Edgar Cooper on that defense. they're going to be loaded, you know, and so you got a potential missing piece to a Super Bowl run. God it can be a difference to make it for you. Again, you know, I bring up Reggie White. Only Michael Park and Reggie White is at 12 seconds in that first four season in their career. It ended up being a hard-of-in career for Reggie White. It looks like it's on that way from Michael Parker.

So, Clarence, I mean, where does the Cowboys fan find hope now? judging from stuff I'm reading off of your social media feeds there are a lot of people looking toward Columbus, Ohio tomorrow for a certain guy who's going to be wearing the burnt orange of the Texas Longhorns and saying maybe maybe the Cowboys can get Arch Manning to be the savior of this lost era what do you make of that and what do you how do you give a Cowboy fan hope

you know Cowboy fan Dallas fan people in Dallas are just, it's like a gut punch. The same kind of year, you lose Luca Donk, you know, which was shocked the world and shocked Dallas, and they had a hard time getting over that. You lose Michael Parsons. You know, this is two gut punches in a year. Certainly people are talking about arts,

but people don't know. Or she's going to stay two years. Art does not stay in one year. And even if you get arts, there's not a media stick. You're looking quarterback. I mean, again, I talk about the drought, you know, and how long the Cowboys have to wait to get back to the Super Bowl? And that's what you're doing. And if you're in the running for arts, that means that this thing is fell off the run with deck and you've been a bad team for a couple of years.

Well, we'll get you out of here with, I guess, the question about what you're covering tomorrow with Clarence Hill Jr. who's in Columbus ahead of the biggest college football game of the decades. century maybe. I mean, I've heard some people saying biggest game of all time. I don't know if I'm buying that, but, you know, Arch Manning, how good is this kid in your opinion? And do you think Texas can hold on to that number one team in the country status throughout the year?

Well, first of all, I was that take to the U.S.C. for the next championship game. You know, with Vince Young. Vince Young, yeah. All those I've been champions winters, two I've been going to go to USC, those loaded teams. Yeah, this is anticipating the game

I'm a longhorn I'm going to hear as a fan I'm not here to work I'm here to cover But I follow along on I'm still like you know Everybody's excited about arts But you know

He has got two starts in his career I mean it's on the coming And the thing about art Is that I think he's going to run right his way He came into Texas They did not force him on the field He got to learn behind Quinn ears

They didn't force him as a freshman and he got to cook, he got to develop, and he should be ready to go. You know, he wasn't forced on the field to make plays with the first person. He got a chance to watch a quarterback, an NFL quarterback, who made the Miami Dolphins roster,

a guy who took the second to back-to-back playoff. He's got to watch him, handle the media, handled third and 14, handle all this stuff and learn from him, but now it's his turn. And so, you know, again, he is legacy of Manning. And he certainly has big uncles,

to lean on and granddad lean on the top of football and certainly sharp. He needs with the Texas to be developed by SART. And so it's his time. It's his time and it's kicking off tomorrow at noon. You'll be there. Enjoy it Clarence. Really appreciate the insight. Thank you

for this. Thank you guys. Clarence Hill Jr. Cowboys writer for DLL Sports and I guess big Longhorn fan. So there you go, man. Longhorn's buck guys tomorrow. Number one ranked

Longhorn's number three ranked Buckeyes. The Buckeyes are favored. You know, it's a road, it's a road game for Texas. Like, what a scheduling. Like, you start your season in, like, so many great, great teams just ease into the season. You know what I mean? Like, how many times have we seen that? Obviously, the most famous one, Michigan,

tried to squeeze through Appalachian State back in the day, and we know what happened there. But this is, this is a scenario where you hope it's not a blowout. out, you hope it's a close game. And if it is, you know, whoever loses is not really going to be affected in terms of what the rankings are going to be at the end of the year. You know, like

if, you're right. If they each lose one game or two games or whatever and obviously one of them, one of them's going to lose tomorrow, this won't be held against them if they're both true powerhouses by the end of the year. And they've expanded the college playoff again anyway. So you have

to presume both teams are going to get there in the end. I mean, you talk about pressure. sure, though. It's like Clarence said. Like, this, this, this, this Archbannies, he's at two starts. I mean, and everybody's calling him the second coming, and the name of the back of your jersey is a legendary

name that's not easy to live up to. And, you know, you're not the son of Peyton or Eli, you're the son of Cooper, and the grandson of Archie, but, like, there's a lot on this kid, and he's making, you know, reports, Hayes, he's already making a

very, very healthy salary, thanks to the Wild West that is the NIL deals in college football. Several million dollars, and he's yet to prove himself. So that comes with some serious, serious weight on the shoulders. Yeah, big time. And again, yeah, this is it now. There's no, you know, there's who's a Quinn Hewer? Quinn Ewers was, you know, the quarterback that was in his,

was the starter last year. Right. He got hurt. That's when Arch Manning went in. But now there's none of that. You're not getting replaced. You're playing. And this is obviously what he's waiting for.

It's been a couple of years. He's going into his junior year. But it's going to be a great story. And I think a lot of people in the NFL are going to be tracking it because even if he doesn't come out this year, if he keeps building his resume, let's say it's a great year and he goes back to college. Like next year it's going to be a circus wait for that guy to get out

and how teams are going to prepare for that and tanking in the NFL will be a huge conversation because it'll be bigger than ever. I mean, it'll be bigger than ever. There's been big, big quarterbacks who have come out and you're waiting for him and you know, you know, Trevor Lawrence was probably the most recent one, probably, in terms of like what he did at the collegiate level

and you knew when he was coming out. It obviously hasn't worked out great for him or Jacksonville, for that matter. But there was tanking going on that year. Like significant tanker. Remember the Jets won a game late in a year, I think against the Rams or something? and that pushed them to second, which I think, who'd they end up taken?

Was it, was it Zach Wilson they took that draft? They might have. Yeah, I think that's, yeah, Zach Wilson, they ended up taking instead of Trevor Lawrence. But anyway, that's what's coming with Arch Manning. The death march for Arch. That's exactly what it's going to be called. And probably valid if he gets even close to what the expectation is. So I'm looking forward to watching that game tomorrow.

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drink and you get it all in 20 minutes or less a fast lunch doesn't have to be fast food see you for a $15 fast lunch of your local Boston pizza. All right, so Mitch Marner out at the Olympic orientation camp, and he's going to be on that team. I think he's a lot to make that team, as he

should be. He was on the Four Nations. He's going to have a really good regular season in Vegas, I'm sure of it. Sat down with Mark Masters. Now, I've noticed, you know, there's a lot of Lee fans that are like enough of this guy, like, move on. I think it's important for him to sit down and do some interviews with

you know, the media in Toronto. And Mark went out there and he sat down with Mark and he's got a good relationship with Mark and Masters has covered him closely his whole career. Like Mitch, you know, he announced he's out and he disappeared and he flew down to Vegas. Like I think he's from here. He spent nine years here at some

point he's going to talk. And I would guess he's going to do more of these one-on-ones. You know, I would think so. So he spoke a little bit about his time here in Toronto and, you know, he revealed that, and he's not alone his agent's been I guess doing the rounds as well Darren Ferris about you know what happened

after they lost in the playoffs and listen Mitch is so uncomfortable to listen to in interviews he just he always has been that way he's not comfortable speaking he you can tell he's overthinking everything incredibly robotic I'm sure they have a PR team that's

trying to help him out and prop him up but as a result he never sounds natural never ever ever he never has and this was no different with Mark last night but you know he spoke about idiots, allegedly, you know, docks in his home address and more, you know, and unfortunately there's idiots. There's morons in every city, there's idiots with every fan base that just have no sense of, you

know, just humanity. And yeah, you can be a super fan of it, die her, but there's always a line. And unfortunately, everywhere, including in Vegas, I'm sure of it, there's idiots. And there are idiots in Toronto that I'm sure made his life difficult. old at times. But I don't, you know, to the idea, and I don't know if this was intention,

his intention, but the idea of like painting the whole fan base with that brush, I think is silly and, and completely unfair. It's a rabid fan base. It's a diehard fan base. It was a fan base that was furious

based on the way the team performed, not happy with the way he played. But with celebrity, you know, these are the downsides of celebrity. You're very well known. Everyone knows you. All your name.

neighbors know you. Everyone knows, you know, in the neighborhood where you live. I remember that as a kid driving around. Oh, yeah, that's where Darrell Sittler lived. That's where Rick 5. Like, that's just the way it's been with Lees forever. For sure. You know, like people know where they are. And they walk around a city. And, you know, last year he was treated like gods. And this year, you know, because of a couple of morons, I guess he's flipped the script. But I'm not buying and I won't buy that that's the reason he left. He had made his mind up. He was out of here. And honestly, it's just in the best interest of everyone for that to happen. Go play in Vegas. The least needed to move on. He needed to move on.

That interview of anything just gave me more closure on it. He's just, he had to go. He's out. He's in Vegas now. He had to go. I mean, look, that's stuff about, you know, the stupidity of people, you know, threatening to show up at your house. You know, his agent has said he had, he had a death threat that was traced to some kid at Oakville. You know, the idea that people know where you live and you're hiring security after the seasons over Hayes, that's, that's sad stuff. Yeah, it is. It's not uncommon, unfortunately. For people of public profiles, you know, it's not uncommon.

You know, you hear about the stockers and you hear about the people that jump your wall and get into your compound and, and it's scary. Like, it's scary stuff. But to your point, that's not the story here. That's not the reason he's leaving. That's, you know, the reason he's leaving, Hayes, the reason he left is because of the losing. Let's be honest here.

Like, let's just be frank here. If these guys would have won the way people expected them to win in the playoffs, none of this would be going on. The stuff about the fan base being cruel and the hatred on social media being hard to take, which is another thing Mitch said, that wouldn't be a part of the storyline. It's about losing. Losing is at the root of this.

These guys won two playoffs series in nine years. Mitch Marner was a massive underperformer beyond game four of all these consequential series, you know, you look at zero goals, six assists in his most recent, 18, games, five, six, and seven. You know, you can't, you can't look away from those numbers. Yeah. And those numbers are the reason that the relationship had to end, plain and simple, to kind of, you know, take one last shot at the fan base and one last shot at the market. It just deludes the real storyline here, which is about a lack of performance for an awfully nice paycheck. Yeah, and that's exactly why the rubber hit the road in the end.

It just, it wasn't good enough. It wasn't, it wasn't good enough in the playoffs. And, you know, naturally people, they all heard it. They all heard it. And they, of course, you're going to hear it. It's the Maple Leafs. You should hear it. Yes, of course.

You're a professional athlete. Like, obviously that's going to happen. And, you know, you're right. And in terms of what the bar is and what people are really looking for, it's not that high. And yet, I think Marner, again, being from here, and his family's from here, his friends are from here, his agents from here. They actually, they know how to play a portion of the fan base like a fiddle, and this will land for people.

Because there is a percentage of the fan base that truly believes the reason this team hasn't won in 60 years is because of the fans and the media, not because of the players, right? Not because the players underperform or because management has done stupid thing after stupid thing or because ownership has been inept at times over 60 years. It's the fans in the media and it's the ultimate cop-out

and it's the ultimate coping of, you know, while my team can't win and I don't want it to be because of my favorite player doesn't get the job done when the lights are the brightest. So I'm going to blame Joe Blow from you know, Leslieville because he's an idiot. Or, you know,

Joe from the bridge. Exactly. Or Gary from Barry. That's the problem. You know, and it's not. It's it's the player. It's the players. It's the management. It's been 60 years. This isn't a small sample size. And unfortunately that will land for some

people that will say, I knew it. You ran them out of town. Idiot fans, not the player. Hour 3 coming up, Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN2. Unmistakably Canadian. It's the music that raised you.

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