OverDrive - OverDrive - December 10, 2025 - Hour 1 - Keegan Matheson

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss Rob Ray calling out Noodles for his mascot head views, William Nylander moving to the third line with the Maple Leafs and the Sabres' win against the Oilers. MLB.com Blue Jays Reporter Keegan Matheson on Bo Bichette's future with the Blue Jays, the approach to Kyle Tucker and Shane Bieber's status going into the season.

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TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, and up on TSN4, Brian Hasey, O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennett. What's going on? What's going on? You teased me yesterday, Hasey B, with something very weird that it left me thinking all night and it was something to do with Rob Ray and I

want to know right now what the hell that was because I've been thinking about it what was like what could Rob Ray have done you'll notice noodles noodles looks like he's in his office he may be in a bunker somewhere in the northern

portions of the country isolated with heavy duty security because Rob Ray who is probably the most terrifying human player of my childhood like growing up a leaf fan watching Rob Ray fight every time

like him and Domey fought every single time they played and his helmet he was always blind he couldn't see anything right his helmet was like over his eyes he had no shirt on after every fight and he just threw cinder blocks and he was so tough and

didn't he beat up a fan? Didn't he beat up a fan? That's what was crazy because you could kind of put yourself in that spot right that one idiot fan that jumped on the bench back yeah and rob ray speedbagged this guy with about 25 bombs in three and a half seconds back when you could do that kind of stuff right like if that happened today rob ray would probably get arrested yeah i started a water bottle at rob ray and buffalo one night and literally like out of a kid's movie when he looked up i ducked i ducked on the bench because i'm like if that guy even thinks a little bit that i did that

I'm a dead man. That's big trouble. A dead man. Okay. Go ahead, Noodles. You can lay it out because we got the clip, your boys, you know, Red Warner, the whole crew. Well, that's the thing. I did Barnburner today to try and, like, basically state my case because I was like, I feel like I said something at some point.

And I don't know when, but I saw the clip and then it was going viral. And then, like, I went back to watch their show to go, okay. was it after ha ha kind of like you know noodles is a good guy buddy buddy stone cold face thank you got to play it okay let's play it here it is all right so this is the barn burner podcast right ret warner and you going on all the time great guys they cover the pender they cover the flames and hockey in general we've had red on a bunch we love them good friends and ret warner was obviously really close with rob bray i'm assuming they were teammates for a long time in buffalo right playing the cup final together so rob ray the sabres were out west

They were in Calgary. So Rob, I'm sure Rhett said, hey, will you come in and hang out with us and do the podcast? And Rob raised a big personality in the game and sat down. And somehow noodles came up and this is what transpired. I got a problem with him. Yeah. Because he called you a big head. Called me a mascot head.

And I will see that guy. I'll write that too. Masked head. He took something that was funny, personal. Take this clip. And that will be addressed, noodles. Dude, if I'm you, I am Lloyd Christmasing this in claiming that, oh, said that, or I said that, and I am staying as far away from this guy as possible.

And here's the crazy thing. Sam Cicerello sends me a note, because he saw the clip, and he goes, you know, you're between the benches with him next week. Oh, my, my, freaking God. Dude, that guy, I don't know if the three of us could take them. No, you are correct. I don't think so. Last we did an old high school move where I bent down behind him,

and you pushed him over. And then noodles kicked him in the head. And he still beat us up. He would stuff, first of all, he would stuff me in a garbage can. He would throw Hayes over the glass, and I don't know what he would do to you. Oh, but like. Now he's heard the squirt the bottle thing. He's probably coming for you.

He probably remembers that from. 20 years ago. Yeah. So did you guys iron this out? Or like, where did this even come from? Here's, I don't remember. Here's the thing. I've worked with him several times.

I love the guy. And I actually was like, listen, if I said something, I need to apologize right away. Because you disarm people with the truth. I do remember saying something like that, though. So I should own it. I should say, like, he's a big guy. I remember being between the benches with him one time and looking around him because he's just so big.

So I might have said, like, hey, you know, he's like a mascot, head like a mascot. I don't remember the actual clip. But I know, and I will admit, I feel like those words came out of my mouth. I don't know when, though. Like, I think it was a couple years ago. That's the weird thing. This guy might be doing the, like, he might have taken a number from like two years ago, three years ago. Because I, the weird thing is every time I'm in Buffalo, he's always in the trainer room and we're between the benches where I'll go say hi to him, hang out.

Like, he's never confronted me about it. Now, I feel like it's somebody's brought it to his attention, and now he's annoyed by it. My only problem with this guy is, that looked like it was more than just, like me and noodles are going to have. See, because I watched before, I watched before and after the live clip, because I was like, okay, I need context. So Boomer goes, yeah, you know, as a GM, they were talking about long contracts

and getting away from players that don't really live up to their contract. And he goes, like our buddy, Noodle says, you have to be a sociopath as a general manager. And he goes, Noodles? And he goes, yeah, he goes, Jamie McClennan. He goes, I got a problem with that guy. Oh, that triggered him, man. Dude, that's like. So then here's the other part.

He says that clip that you just played. And then I'm waiting for Ret and Boomer to go, ah, you know, great. guy, friend of the show, all of that. They just go, all right, transition. Oh, that's so greasy. There was no, like, no defending me, no going, ah, noodles is a funny guy joking around, whatever. It literally was like, changed topic, this guy, we do not want to head down that path. So he just sat there for a second, and then they pivoted onto something else.

There was no laugh. There was no nothing. So I was like, okay, I know he's joking. He's got a really, you know, kind of dark sense of humor. But part of me is, like, want to call Marty Bearon and go, is this guy, like, going to be waiting for it. I'll tell you, my next phone call is the Sam Cicerello and saying, I'm actually not between the benches. I'm in the press box with whoever's calling the game, possibly Gord or Kentz. Or, furthermore, I think I'm coming down with the flu, and I won't be available next week.

Like, the Rob Ray flu is a real thing, man. It was a real thing in the 90s, and I think it's got to be. I called Mike Johnson and say, on the 23rd, I'll have a. massive dump in my shorts, and I will be sick as a dog, and I'm not going to Ottawa. Oh, my God. I just, like, I just need to get an apology to him. Yeah, get it out there from all of us, because we don't want, we don't want anything to do. I am not dealing with any type of Rob Ray.

I was not associated with it. We said it. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are doing the, you know, like that. But here's the thing. That's who it basically is, Cam Nealian, Rob Ray, two guys, I have no interest in crossing. he's the sea bass right now and it just

I like I say I can't remember saying I can't remember when but I do believe and I will own it it might have been a hockey head conversation right we talk about big heads

hockey heads you know and and Rob Ray you know like he he's such a massive massive massive dude that team that Buffalo team

with him and May Barnaby they had Brad May Matthew Barnaby and Rob Ray just caused causing havoc. Was Ray Emery on that team with them too or no?

Ray would have come in later. I don't remember Ray Emery being on that team. Like in the 90s, it was like May Day and Rob Ray and like those guys were so tough. Those games were so crazy. Like the Leafs used to play Buffalo, it would be a home and home. Buffalo on Friday, Toronto on Saturday, and there'd be 12 fights combined in both games. Well, that's the thing. And, you know, watching him talk and apparently he's very friendly and buddies with Ty Dom.

It's like people think that we hate each other He goes, hey, we fought We fought a hundred times, whatever But he goes, he hates you He doesn't hate Ty Dolmy He's got a problem with Ty Domney He doesn't hate me I think he's got to

He said he has a problem with me And it will be addressed There's only one thing to do, man You gotta deal with this like a big boy You got to call Rob Ray and say There's a game coming up Are we going to do this or is there a serious problem here Because I don't remember saying mascot head

I think you call him Buffalo Head No, I think I said So you did say I can't believe Rhett Warner your boy didn't save you though I mean that's what's shocking to me Like if we were in a similar scenario Buddy if Rob Ray knows that he said mascot head

What's Rhett Warner gonna do? Brett can at least soften it a little bit Ah, noodles jokes around He calls me this all the time Like I jump to something Is mascot head really egregious? I don't think so Because it's not like

we've got Brian, what is Brian McCabe's nickname on our team, on our show? What is it? Asface. Yes. Which is much more offensive, but we're not a great of Caber. Caper's a tough guy, but Rob Ray is a different category of human being. My brother is a police officer, works at the airport. He was at customs, and he said, I saw this guy coming through with bad hair, and I looked up, and it was ass face.

he saw he i said i was his hair and he said terrible about cabers taking shrapnel now we're talking about rob ray but i i i guess my point is is i there has to be context to it i believe it might have been when he got the puck in the face i was like hey that was crazy hard to hit that you know his big head had had like a mascot something like that but i should apologize okay and and i will but i again we love Rob Ray but if he took offense to it

and maybe it's like pissed about it then I should just go at it and be a man just Van Gundy grab him by the leg here's what we got to do 445 we got to call Rob Ray do you think we can call him

all right let's try to get them on yeah they've been out west right they beat the Oilers last night yeah like I don't know Edmonton yesterday strutty and O had them winning the president's trophy because they want two games. And last night they stink again. I know.

And it's like, what, I don't, I can't figure it out. Chuck Knoblock was up there and he's like, nothing to panic about here. I was like, that's the thing, though. Buffalo is better than their record. I keep telling you guys that. They are better than their record. By the way, they're all. Buffalo is terrible.

But guys, if you look at the standings, they're not that terrible. No. They're on a heater away from climbing up the standings. I keep coming back to it, and it's not defending anything or pointing at it. This is a weird year where you're literally, like, this turnover, guys. Well, that's just, that's Steve Smith, dude. Well, it is. At least Steve Smith had to make a play.

That's just stupidity. Now, Steve Smith's going to hate my guts. Exactly. Let's just, let's just stop using analogies and talking about people. Exactly. But, like, you know, they. they didn't deserve one point. They got one because they turned it on in the third period.

It was three Cobb and they had nothing going. They just were really lethargic and Buffalo played them hard. And then in the third they said, okay, we're going to wake up here. And the funny part about it is if you look at the tying goal, like Bouchard makes an unreal play to get it to Nugent Hopkins. It's just that's the weird part. When you don't beat Buffalo, it's the same as Winnipeg went in there. They get smoked by Buffalo.

it's closed-door meeting. They're the team when they wheeled through town, you're expected to get two points because basically everyone else in the week is. And again, they played the night before. There was no excuses. You're on home ice. Thing is, though, that's the league right. And everybody on the broadcast out there was saying

this team's give a crap meter was basically non-existent. And they somehow flipped the switch and got it done. Well, again, we could do the coaches meter because everything's flipped, right? Travis Green was top of the world two weeks ago. He is miserable right now. He is miserable.

Marty St. Louis. They're calling up Jacob Fowler in Montreal because they can't get a stop. Because Dobish and Montembow are terrible right now. So they're like, call this guy up. We'll go three goalers, and you've got to play him. If you're calling Fowler up, you're obviously going to play him. He's 21 years old.

He's good, too. I think that kid has a chance to be really... Doors is wide open for him, right? They're not committed to Dobish or Montembo. But they're looking at it. Like, who's going to give us stops? Who can find a way to get us... into the playoffs, again, it's December still,

but within this division, we keep focusing on the Atlantic, naturally, and the Maple Leafs are no different. Every team has wards. Every team has been in a dark place, and the division is wide open. Like, it's who can give me some stops and give me some breathing room so we can feel good about ourselves. Who can be the play the best in the last 10 days of the season?

That might come down to what happens. You know how we have that saying, or there's a saying, you know, in hockey where it's like one of those nights where it's like, okay last shot on goal last shot on goal is going to win that game that night it might be who's going to have a five game stretch in in april that that gets you you know i i look at it what's up with ottawa noodles like you're caught you're around the team like you know what all mark struggling and pinto's hurt they deserved better last night they were three for three on the power play three for three on the penalty kill they outchanced them they did all these

things you know what they did egregious like we were just talking about Evan Bouchard, there were two egregious heirs that they beat themselves. I don't know if you saw the goals or whatever, but there was, Cotter gets a goal where there's a bad exchange with Spence and Stutzla, and he goes in on a breakway. 3-3 near the end of the game. Cleven goes to move it over to Spence. Connor Brown had three assists yesterday.

Mind you, good guy, said to say hi. Love it. Shout out. But here's the turnover. Normal-sized head. Normal-sized head on Conner. We love Connor. So there's the turnover right here.

Like that's just, you know, stupidity. Well, you know what? It's just, it's the way. Jamie, that was the casual. That was the play yesterday where I was talking to Struddy about that, where he talks about, oh, you've got to practice X's and O's. You've got to practice all this structure. And I said, wrong. A lot of it is stupidity.

And that is a prime example of it right there. What you're doing thinking about making that type of pass or what Evan Bouchard is doing behind the net, you don't need practice at you don't need anything drilled through your head it's just casual it's lazy it's it's stupid it's stupid hockey and that's what's going on and it must drive coaches nuts i believe and you're right but i also think i keep hearing it and i'm not you know not just talking to coaches that are losing you're talking to coaches that are having success i had a good chat with glen gulletson he's like man the schedule like they keep saying schedule schedule like they're just they can't keep like the the product of hockey i i i'm it's weird there's some great games and then

there's just some weird ass dumb ass play going on out there someone used the golf analogy and it's a perfect one it's they're just guys are pulling up on two wheels you know driving right to the first team and putting the peg in the ground there's no warm up there's no practicing there's no i'm taking a day off to go work on my short game it's just every single game is around where you are there two minutes before tea time like that's what it kind of It feels like. It's great analogy. And they, you know, it's, I look at those mistakes last night.

They're egregious. Omar could mix in a stop. Like, he has really struggled this year. Well, at home, too. Like, that's the one thing. They've lost four in a row at home. That's the concerning thing. But they, you know, when you look at it, they're right around.

Like, Saturday night they lose to Sanos or St. Louis, sorry, 2-1. Outchance them 22 to 8. They got goalie. So you can one-off here or there. You see it out throughout the. league last night they had an opportunity you know they scored on the power play they get ahead they're feeling like it's just they've got to find a way to put it together like consistently and i think we got brady on today yeah brady could chuck coming up at you know they're they're into columbus like

i'm doing that game tomorrow like you know there's no rest for the weary and there's no feeling sorry for so it's like okay you're right back at it tomorrow what do you got yes you have no time to breathe, man. That's why even the Leaf schedule, like they've had two days off here so they could practice today. They got Celebrini in town, which you can, there's a buzz, right? The next few nights, you got Celebrini here, then you got

McDavid and Drive Sital on Saturday, and then he got Badoard early next week. Like these, if you're a season ticket holder, you've circled these games and said, get me down there. Like, I can't wait to see these kids play. But you look at it today, the news out of practice, A, Bobby McMahon got suspended for a game, and Craig

Barube, not happy about it. We'll get to that. but William Neelander has been moved down to the third line, which I find, I think it's telling. I mean, Barube's had enough of him. I know he keeps saying, hey, I love Willie. He's driving him crazy. You can tell. And what's interesting about this is he said Baroube,

similarly to the way he described Nick Robertson and why he was out of the lineup the other night. He said, it's just falling off. You know, it's falling off. It's not where you need to be. And he said the same thing with this line, Cowan Tavarous Neelander, but it's not the kid who's moving.

it's the vet who's making 11-5 and is going to be here for the next eight years. Like Willie, they're sending him down and they're sending him to a line here with Joshua and Roa. There's nothing sexy about playing with those two guys. Nothing. Right. Like that is Craig Barube

believe, as you guys know, Waw and Joshua aren't going to change their game because Willie's there. They're not going to start trying to, you know, jump the zone or you know, sauce passes over two lines and try to hit them, you know, driving or whatever. That is a direct message from Craig Baroube,

you better start skating, working, and checking. And it's always Willie. Like it always comes back to him. They have a unique relationship, but he obviously, Barube is seeing something that he doesn't like. Yeah, it goes back to, it's just, he's trying to get a jolt. You're trying to get his attention and

wake him up a little bit. It worked at the beginning of this season. It didn't take long for Craig Baroube to say, I think it was three, three, four games in, maybe less where he was like he's just not, he's not moving his legs. we need more. We definitely need more. So I don't know, I don't think this would be like to create some depth on the top

three lines because you're putting Nick Robertson in a spot. But at the end of the day, you're trying to get a jolt out of the player and see if he can respond. Like all my coaches, when I was pissed off, especially Paul Maurice, you go to go play the third line for a little bit, see how you like that. And then you got to go out there and bust your ass and finish checks, and you tip one in in front of the net, and then all of a sudden you're back with your buddies again. So that's what he has to do.

Whether you get that response, that'll be fascinating to see. Well, and the other thing, too, you have the luxury of a practice day to send that message. Let's be honest. You know, this could be eight minutes into the game and Willie's back somewhere else. That's right. It's a jolt in the dressing room, Jamie, because everybody knows what color of jerseys, their linemates usually have. And when you see the different one when you walk in, everybody looks around. And if you're pissy, you're pissy.

and if you get a different color jersey, you're moving up. You're a little bit happy. So that's when the jolt comes. Yeah, that's it. If that is the messaging. I feel like the message is sent today. We'll see how things are in the morning if they line up the same thing. It might be an optional tomorrow.

But, you know, if he starts the game like that, we should have a jerry's if he ends the game on that line. Not a chance in hell. I would say he doesn't get out of the first period on that line. Which is fair, which means maybe he's, you know, done something that which he's capable of doing that's the thing he's capable of special plays of special things that you know this guy had an all-timer and overtime that was what 10 days ago two weeks ago when was that it feels like it was a lifetime ago because there's been so many

games put together but you know him starting on the third line today maybe tomorrow i'd be shocked if he's there by the end of the end of the game yeah i i think the hope is that he's not like I think Craig Baruba is not stupid. He knows he needs them and wants them to perform at a high level. I think it's interesting they're winning games and he's still kind of leaning on him. But it'll be on Willie. You know, if he's playing well and he is motivated, they'll move him up, of course. And he'll still play power play and they'll find different shifts for him.

Neelander's going to be fine. Yeah. He'll be fine. This happens. It comes and goes. He'll be fine. But it is interesting timing. And again, I think it's a feather in the cap of Easton Cowan.

You know, the obvious move was move. The line's not working, get the kid out of there. And they're leaving him. You know, they're giving him an opportunity to stay with John Tavaro's. We'll see how long that last. All right. Brady Kuchuk on the show today, the Lou Brown Awards making a return. We're doing the Lou Brown Awards today.

We haven't done that in a while, so we'll do that at around 530. There's a lot of baseball news. There's more talent. There's more pop in the American League East. Pete Alonzo signed on a five-year deal with the Baltimore Orioles. How do the Blue Jays respond? Kegan Matheson coming up. What did he see in here out of the winter meetings?

Where are the Jay's going from here? Do they need Tucker? Do they need Bichette? We'll get into that more with Keegan. And Brady Cichuk coming up. Lou Brown Awards. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4.

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video evidence of it and it's like you'll lose street cred like noodles if there was a video of you golfing and you're awful you can't have it go out into the atmosphere because there was a video yesterday of mad dog playing basketball and this guy look at this guy watch this this guy talks sports is one of the legends of all time and he goes and does he does that he blows Akely zone? Dude, play it again, Joe. Like, just watch this guy. This guy is one of the legendary people that's talk sports.

Don't know. When you do something like that, your street cred, it just goes down. You can't do it. Evaporated. Evaporated. Stephen A. Smith has done the same thing before. He thinks he's MJ, and he goes out there and throws air balls, and it's like, stop it. Stop doing it.

You can yap about it all day long. That was horrendous to look at. And just to see that guy, it's like, and you're going to talk about, play it one more time. I just want you to watch the end where it looks like he breaks both of his kneecaps. And this guy's going to go on TV and talk about basketball. Look at it. Wow. That is outrageous.

Yeah, that is the most unathletic operation I think I've ever seen. The dribbles are off. What kind of shot was that? I don't know, too. It was like a one-handed three-point attempt. It almost looked like a floater at the rim. But he's throwing, it's a half-court shot. Look at him dribbling.

Look at this dribbling. One-handed flipper. And then breaks both of his knees. Yeah, that's disappointing for Mad Dog. Yeah, that's, because he is an all-time personality. Like, Mike and the Mad Dog in New York was like the original sports radio. Yes, you can't take away street cred like that. I know.

No, but think about it. Like if some people are like multi-sports people. They can, you know, oh, you played hockey, but you're good at golf. I'm sure you're good at a natural athlete. Like, I was a goalie. I wasn't really, I was good at baseball because I was a good catcher. I could get behind. But like soccer, I wasn't very good.

Football, you know, you can get around. Golf, I know what to do. I just don't like doing it. Yeah. Like I would shoot 150, but I wouldn't enjoy it. I've got a good. Don't ever do it. I've got a good stripe off the tea, though.

Okay, you can know what to do. Like a little cut off the drive? Yeah, but I don't have it, and I don't do it, and I don't claim to do it. But the thing is, is a guy like that, there is zero athletic. Like, that's the difference. Crazy. That is crazy to see that cat. Well, and that's a sport that, like golf is natural.

Like, there's a lot of coordination. There's hand-eye, you know, golf is tough. Like, golf is not. It's just like hockey's not natural. Like, if you had someone. who's never skated. You can't be like, oh, that guy doesn't know how to skate.

Yeah, no kidding. Like, that's a difficult sport. Basketball, who doesn't know how to throw a ball that is going to look borderline athletic. You know what I mean? Like within range of athleticism without blowing your ACL out at the end of the clip. There's been some great athletes,

Hayes, great athletes that get on a mound to throw a first pitch. Can't do it. Can't do it. They can't throw a baseball. Basketball players, quarterbacks, you know, hockey players. You know, that first pitch, I'm telling you, man, it is, it's a dangerous game, the ceremonial first pitch. It is.

Because you're nervous. I have buddies who are singers and pretty famous ones where they're like, I go, do you ever sing the anthem? They're like, no. Why would you ever sing the anthem? No chance. It's a no-win situation. Because if you're good, you're expected to. But if you're no good, then it's a meme.

It's a clip. Same thing. Why would you throw a first pitch out? if you if that's not if it's not natural for you you imagine if the jays invited us to throw a a pitch out would you do it absolutely you would do it you think you throw a strike dude i think oh could you think you throw a strike with those labrums on you'd be a disaster you'd throw that thing down the third baseline i have a difficult time throwing a baseball that is very true i can't throw a football and i have a difficult but so how you're going to do it i would figure out a way

to not embarrass myself. Okay. I would throw a strike. Like, I have full confidence. You're George Bush all of a sudden? I would throw a strike. I have full confidence that I can do that, would do that. But the nerves, man, like I've done first, you know, when I go to the pro-ams and stuff

in the Canadian Open, it's nerve-wracking. They call your name out. There's a bunch of kids around. Like, I've seen some guys sit, like, T-shots at a pro-am that are outrageous. I'll tell you this. You want to talk about T-shots? Keegan Bradley and Scotty Vale were with him. After we talked to Keegan, I'm going to play you Tom Brady,

cold-topping one. I know. I'm pebble. Dude, it went one foot, a drive, with a driver. I know. It went one foot, and there was a silence around the goat that was indescribable. What is more mortifying, though? Topping in a yard, which is horrendous, or like, sculling something into a crowd.

I think it's worse the crowd Because then you take Hitting a golf shot with a lot of people around I had to hit a T shot in a celebrity shootout Par 3 with Michael Jordan sitting one foot from me On a cooler of beer And I almost crap my pants Because I'm like

Michael Jordan is right there And you just can't do anything stupid And I folded the sod over it You did you chunked it? I folded the sod over it I hit it 20 yards Oh no Anyway

Mad dog. Mad dog. The mad dog. All right, here's Keegan Matheson, MLB.com. Bye from beautiful Orlando, Florida. What's up, Keegan? I was doing well down here in Florida. How's everything up there? Well, we're waiting for some news.

I mean, the ALE East is getting bolstered here, right? Pete Alonzo, a big deal. That means Diaz left the Mets yesterday, and Alonzo left the Mets today. I'm sure a big story is what the hell is New York doing, but what do you make of this move for the Orioles and how might it affect the Blue Jays and the rest of the ALE East

and what they plan on doing? This division sucks to be in, fellas. I don't care how many times over the years players and coaches tell me, man, I love it. You want to play against the best. No, you don't. You would rather be in a division

with four crappy teams and make the playoffs every year. I think the AAL East next year could have five of the best teams in the American League again. It's going to be back to. that it's going to be a nightmare and at least four of them are probably going to make the playoffs

alonzo i love that the orleans are finally spending money they have the new owner who's got tons of cash they need to spend it on pitching i think they're going to but the east is a nightmare guys like it is going to grind you down the dust and next year is probably going to be the best we've seen it in a long old time man the red socks aren't done it's going to be nasty kegan what's your take on the bull-bichette situation it's kind of fascinating how he's been a fan favorite, very popular guy, guy that produced, his bat is very valuable. And I wonder how he's viewed the team's interest in Tucker if it pissed him off. Naturally, I think it would because he wasn't the first priority.

Even over the pitcher's seat that was signed, just kind of take us through the whole Boba Chet scenario. Yeah, man, there's no romance and free agency, right? It becomes business so quickly. And for Boba Chet, a guy who is so beloved in Toronto, And he's coming off that home run, guys, off with Tony in game seven. That, man, that should be, it should have been behind Joe Carter's home run as the second biggest moment ever for this team. But because they lose, we're going to remember it differently.

I'm curious where the Bichet markets add, guys, because when I look at a free agent, I kind of try to picture them in the middle and wonder which way it's going to go. Is this a free agent that teams are going to chase and really fall in love with? or is it a free agent that teams are going to look at and poke holes in and try to bring that number down from where we think it's going to be. I think Bichette might be in that camp

where teams are looking at him and saying, well, he's not a shortstop. Well, he slowed down last year. He already was not a fast runner. And when we think of short stops guys, you typically think more of an Andres Semenes type who might not have Bichette's bat, but he's quick.

He can steal you a base, he can help you on the bases. Bowe's not going to do that, period. That's okay if he's hitting. but I think the teams are going to be poking at that. And that's why I think if you're the Blue Jays, man, even though this part sucks, the business part, you might just let that market play out.

And if it starts to collapse or sag a little bit, you get into it. But I don't get any sense that the bow market is surging or really like running away and making him more money right now. So outside the city of Toronto, the market of Toronto, is it basically the impression for the, whole league that the blue jays are all in after the sea signing and they seem to be in on everybody is that the impression the league is getting that's about it guys and the winter

meetings i mean i think we don't have many good words to say about the winter meetings there's a lot of BS that we don't do in other sports and i can't stand it frankly but at the winter meetings when you hear the odd real thing there's still a lot of guys being attached to the blue jays and i know it's been a quiet winter meetings for them but it's a all just about the order it happens in. If I came down here and they announced Dylan Sees and Cody Ponce here, we'd be saying, my God, they're the hottest off-season baseball. Now, I would love it if baseball had an NHL-style off-season. Everything happens in an hour. I disappear for three months into a Guinness-fueled coma, and it's beautiful. No one has to see

me. But in baseball, we do it slow. And this is going to play out slowly, guys. But the Blue Jays are this team that everyone's tagged to now. And it's going to say that way because they're good and they have money. They have a ton of money. And they're attractive to players now. That's not just fluff from the front office saying it. Players

are looking at this team and saying, man, if I can't get on the Dodgers, why not get on the Blue Jays? Where everybody seems to love playing where everyone gets paid and where this whole country of people seem to be out of their minds about this baseball team. It's really attractive. Agents are saying

players are saying it. There used to be some fluff to that. Now it's real. I buy it. It's legitimate that people want to come to Toronto, not just when they pay them, but for baseball reasons. And that's a very good thing. Well, we talked about Bichette and his market and where it could or could not be going. How does that logic apply to Kyle Tucker, who, you know, is the bell of the ball, he's going to likely get the biggest deal, the most money, likely has the most suitors. What are you hearing on Tucker and the connection with the Blue Jays? and he fits the jays so well he's everything the blue jays do perfectly

if you took the blue jays offense and put it in a blender and made one player out of it it's kind of Kyle Tucker at this point his market might be a little bit like Bose to a lesser extent it's not going to fall apart or really change much but unless you are Wonsoto or Shoheyotani I find more often we get to this point of the offseason

and say okay maybe those five or six scenes we thought would be interested, maybe it's two or three at this point. Maybe that list starts to shrink. Guys, we're even hearing the Yankees talking like a team that's not going to spend a ton of cash. They're acting not like Little Brother, but they're not acting like the Big Dog at all. The Blue Jays are. So that market, I don't think it's going to blow into this $460 million. I don't think it's going to do that.

Maybe it's down around the 300 low, 300 range more, I would expect from the outside. But, man, he fits everything. The Blue Jays do. Again, it's just not a market they're going to chase, I don't think. If it's Soto or Otani, I mean, screw the money. You chase it. Those players don't come around all that often. Tucker's really damn good, but I don't think you chase the money and get uncomfortable.

You wait a minute. You let it come to you. Even though that's boring. It's not exciting. Let it come to you a little bit. And the Js have to be interested. They are interested. You fits them perfectly.

But again, you want the money to be right because you're balancing that against maybe getting a mid-range guy. and some relievers, which they still definitely need. Right. With Keegan Matheson, and, I mean, not also, you have to believe that they're going to call you at the end and say, okay, we're making a decision now, right? Like, if you wait for the market to come to you, you've got to hope that it actually does,

which obviously Ross and Mark know the way the game works, and they'll check in, they'll do their due diligence. But I'm curious, like, let's say they get Tucker. And they sign them, and it's a good deal, long-term deal, and he's connected to this team for a long time, or we'll play for the Jays for a long time. What kind of ripple effect will that have on the current roster? In other words, is Santander definitely staying?

Does Springer have a future after this upcoming season if he plays great again? Like, if you bring in Tucker and it's big money and you connect him with Vladdy for the next eight to ten years, does everyone stay? Does some people go? Do you trade someone to possibly acquire those arms you just talked about? Yeah, that's the new corner. There's only so many seats at the table. you know and let me hit really quick on what you mentioned hey is that phone call the team's get the jays get that phone call now that's part of being a team that's got money right respective agents and that's why whenever whenever anyone goes on about there's a team that's the leader for this free agent no they're not that's almost never real okay there's not a leader there's not a front runner it all slowly builds and then one day boom who's in who's out let's do this quickly okay it's not a it's not a slow marathon race it says you wait around and then you run a sprint at the last minute and if the blue jays were the

someone like Tucker. That, of course, would probably make this, George Springer's last year. We'll see where that goes. Dalton Varsho is another one. But you can only have so many of those mega contracts on the books unless you're the Dodgers. So the Blue Jays would need to keep developing players, guys. They would need to

keep finding success stories like Ernie Clement, like Addison Barger. The beauty of those stories, yeah, they're good at baseball, that helps out. But when you can find those guys who are doing it for a million bucks, for three million bucks, that saves you. That that creates a championship roster

right there. So adding a big name like Tucker, and this would even go for Bobesh yeah, it starts to squeeze some guys and Anthony Santander guys, maybe he's a bounce back, fantastic story next year. God, I've got to see it first. Man, last year was not good. The health I know is a factor,

but it just wasn't good guys. And I didn't see a lot of signs that have me saying, holy crap, this is going to be great. If he was on a tear for 50 games and God hurt, sure, we're talking about that. Those 50 games were really bad. So he's got to pick it up. And if that contract does not work, part of having financial strength is the ability to eat some stuff over the years. The Jays are eventually going to

have to get to that point on some friends, kind of like they did with the R.R.L. Rodriguez. If it's not working, you eat those few million bucks, and that's part of being a big dog in this league. Well, and in Shane Bieber's case, they didn't have a choice. He had a player option. He picked it up. And I was taken aback a little bit by Ross and his approach to Bieber all of a I guess there was some forearm stiffness at the end of the year or early into the offseason and he's kind of still rehabbing. Like it's a continuation of the Tommy John

comeback story, yet he's pitched in the majors. He's pitched in the World Series. Do we look back on it differently? Because there were a lot of people that looked at it through rose-colored glasses. Right? Oh, he's here because of the vibes. He loved it. He would have played for a dollar because he loves being a Blue Jay. Maybe that wasn't

the case. And where do we stand on Bieber and the Jays this season? yeah listen the jays have a great club nose it's real and i believe in it but i think that they're often framed as the only team in baseball that are friends you know and it's that's not always going to swing guys money money matters way more fellas let me tell you a million bucks matters a lot so with beber i always i viewed that as surprising yeah absolutely but i always thought there was a little something more to it something i wanted to find out or talk to beaver about but we did find out from afkins this weekend that he was dealing with a little bit through

that. Now, anyone coming back from Tommy John, when you wrap back up, you're going to feel it in your shoulder, in your forearm. Ideally, it's just that sortness. And the way I look at it now, guys, I'm not terribly worried right now. Beaver's not going to throw 200 in his next year. I think coming back from Tommy John, you're probably doing a workload limit anyways. Maybe it's 150 or 160, something like that. You're probably better off to be easy on him early in spring training and in April if you need to be softer with him then then you've gotten for the end to crank it up so in a perfect world you're just a little easier with him out of the gates it's not ideal anything coming back from the surgery like that but right at this point right now it's it's

it's not a red alert or anything for me just yet but it adds a little color to that you know it's uh beber loved his time here he picked the blue jays because they gives him a chance to cash in big a year from now again comes to money but uh yeah that's that's a definite factor, another wrinkle we kind of learned this week. Okay. Well, we'll see what they've got the rest of the way. There's still a long off-season left, and there has been some news, and I think the New York

match of the team to watch now, what are they going to do to respond to two-star players leaving their team? Great stuff, as always, Kagan. Appreciate you doing this, buddy. We'll do it again soon. You got her, fellas. Take care. There is, Keegan Mathis and MLB.com and, of course, TSN.

Yeah, Mets' Twitter is going apoplectic. Like, they are going crazy because they love Pete Alonzo. They love Edwin Diaz. And Diaz goes to the Dodgers. Alonzo goes to the Orioles, which are not a team that spends a lot of money. And the match, they had a down year last year. I wonder if Soto was some kind of factor in all this,

where he just kind of causes some. Well, you know what I mean? Like, you might just be. A lot of pressure on him. Like waves? Like, a lot of pressure on him. Like, causes waves, though? Like, what do you mean?

who knows he just seems like he might be a disruption i don't know notice how he gets there and it's just kind of chaos not good yeah there's there might be something to that i think alonzo held a grudge right the year before he wanted a deal the met's they basically said yeah you want to be here we'll take advantage of you and he went out and had a great year with a player option he opted out and he's like get me out of here and i think like when you look at what happened with bregman last year who also opted out alonzo i think there's a very good chance that going to be the case for Bo Bichet that it's not going to be some

seven or eight year deal. It could be but it may turn into a three or four year deal with player options where he can opt out and maybe the Jay's call on that. Maybe they know that that's kind of the case and later in the off season they say why not come back home

you know and if you have a great year we'll pay you whatever it is, $25 million. I don't know what the average annual rate will be but opt out do what Pete Alonzo did and then go sign somewhere else. You know, give us one more dance. Like that might happen. That may be the case with Bichette. Maybe it's

the case, but it's not with the Jays. Some other team. Maybe the Mets. Who knows who it is? We'll give you a short-term deal. Big money and you can opt out if you have a great year. Like that seems like it could happen. If it happened with Alonzo, it happened with Bregman. Bichette, I think, needs to be at least expecting that as a

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