OverDrive - OverDrive - December 19, 2025 - Hour 2 - Mike Johnson

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Jonas Siegel for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson on Craig Berube calling out on the players on the Maple Leafs, if significant changes are coming and the top players' mentality. The guys discuss the rankings of the quarterbacks throughout the NFL, give their best advice in Dear Hayesy-B and Bryan gives his FanDuel Best Bets.

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This is a little bit later in the hour Two overdrive continues Powered by Fanduel Bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score Dear Hasey would be a little bit later in the hour I have had some submissions here From people around here

That are asking for help In terms of Christmas gifts And how they handle things and the idea of balancing being practical, but also, you know, actually getting stuff that someone might want, right, which is always, always difficult. You're a very sentimental fella. You are.

I try my hardest, Jonas. I try my hardest. Can I just ask you, what is your go-to Christmas chocolate? Like, are you a Turtles guy? Are you a Ferreira Roche? I mash turtles. Really? Oh, turtles are elite.

But it's only this time of year I will not touch one in July or August You offer me one I'd look at you like your scum How dare you? I know weird. I've got an elite one That people don't Don't say Toffethefe

Toffet is the number one That's not number one It is number one Noodles What is talking about Toffet is elite Is it not? What's happened to

It's not elite It's like it's good It's not bad Old man chocolate all of a sudden or something? Precisely. Precisely. It's not cutting edge stuff. And have you tried the turtles?

They have like salted caramel turtles? Not bad, but I usually stick to the original. I love an original. So do you like the original whether one-timers, you have to unwrap each one, the box with the one-timer? Well, it used to be remember the trays, and there'd be double trays. Remember you would pop open, like, and there'd be a little sheet like this, and you'd throw that thing out, and I would just. annihilate a sheet of turtles. You know what it was? People

probably reached out to them and said, stop doing that because pigs will eat 15 at a time. That's what it was. You're right. You're right. Noodles, that's probably exactly what it was. Someone watched me one night and said that kid, that's really unhealthy. The turtles were embedded in the box.

It had two fingers. You just pop them out. It's like a bag of chips. Exactly that. Exactly that. If they racked the chips individually, you would think about it, right? You might actually slow down. There was no stop sign. Like kids these days have no idea what it was like old school turtles.

Because you would go through you'd go through a row without even thinking. Like a row would be gone. You'd take that out. And then as you got older, like you come home from the bar or something, you're like, these things are going to get destroyed.

Three o'clock in the morning. You're just mashing through sheets of And then your partner comes and they're like, what happened all the turtles? Yeah, gone. Well, that's it. Like, I'll buy them for my wife and she has no chance. No.

I'm eating them. I, not that I disrespect the turtle. I love a turtle. I've just always loved, the same thing at Christmas, top of fay, the small little one time. Okay, I got you. Pretty good. Pretty good. You pop them out and away you go.

Like, I, I, maybe, maybe they were too popular early on out here. Maybe in Alberta. It's a very hipster choice, noodles. It could be that. Yeah, you're a hipster. Is it a hipster play? That's like an Ozington play?

Well, like Ferraro Rochay is like a Cumberland play, a Yorkville play. They're good, but they're too rich. You can't have one and then it's done. I like the lint. Oh, those are. Yeah, Lindor or whatever they are. Yeah, those are trouble.

And they come in different flavors, right? Allegedly, you wouldn't know. They're like one-timers. White chocolate, dark chocolate. Now they've got caramel, they've got pistachio in there. They've mixed it up with the flavors. And, you know, where I shop at the mall in Ottawa, where I stay there, they've got a store, like a Lintnorth store. Like, you go in and it's just like flavor.

I've seen those. I think they might have one of Yorkville. They do. Or Yorkdale, I think they might. What's the, Vaughn Mills? I think they got one at Vaughn Mills. Yeah, they might have them at a couple different malls. Yeah.

I am going to destroy some turtles this weekend. You've got to figure out how to get them to sponsor the show so then they can just give them to you. That's a great idea. How many times we have to drop their. name for us to get hooked up. This keeps saying this segment is brought to you by turtles. There you go. Here's Mike Johnson, our TSN hockey analyst, brought

to you by. There he is. What's up, Johnny? How are we doing? Listen, boys, my mom doesn't let me buy her turtles more than a day before Christmas because she'll crush, like, no, like, my mom,

no willpower. So whether you're 70 or 50 or 30, like, there is no stuff. stopping that like for a roche i guess like those are fancy they're all wrapped up nice tolaron stick to your teeth too much but right right the turtle oh can be dead it's damage they just no stopping you no it's grand slam that has got to be top of list yeah top of list it's just a grand slam man like you can't miss it you cannot miss it i was in the store the other day and i was going to get some for my mom i'm like no i can't get them too early and then you just got

to yourself obviously yeah then you get after you're right you don't have them responsibly you left them there. Responsibly, you left them there. That's right. I would never walk by the aisle in July. I'm getting a box of turtles. Never. Never.

I'm going to box of Kit Chats. But I won't buy turtles. You got to wonder then, is turtles, like, they make all their money in December? Is that what it is? It's like owning a Halloween store. You know what I mean? You got like a month and a half to just make so much money. In the turtle's office, they're just like sitting around.

Yeah. They're not doing anything. in June and July. Ten months. They got a crazy off-season. Anyway, I don't even know how we got there, but dear Hazy-B, we'll get to that a little bit later. Dear Johnny, where do we stand on things?

With your Bay Police, you're an alumni. You see the way they played last night. Is it the coach? Is it the players, management? Like, what sticks out to you first and foremost? I'm not going to lot of you, boys. Like, I know I'm coming on. at five. I tuned in at four. I wanted to hear it.

Wanted to hear what you guys were going to say. So I listened to the first half hour and I think it's a bit of everything. You guys covered a lot there and you were largely right. It is the GM for roster construction. It is the coach for an game plan, like the ideas he

has of a game plan as well as sort of getting the guys to execute the game plan. And then of course it's the players for, like you can ask them to play the worst system of all time relative their talents. You've still got to play it hard. And as Noodle said, yes,

there are pretty significant differences in how you can play, but you can be out of system, let's call it, if you're not playing a system that's ideally suited for you, and still be competitive. And I think that's where the players

have to bear some responsibility because they're, I believe, I might be with Jonas on this one, they're playing out of system. Like, I don't think what they're trying to do is ideally suited for this group.

Now, they did have great success with the last year, largely based on their goal tending and their power play and winning a mashful of one goal games but they had great success with it but I don't know if they're this the way they're playing is ideally suited to these guys

but no matter what they can play better than they play the last little while and you guys can feel it you guys are very in tune with the market I'm down there at the games I'm between the benches like I don't want to do vibe checks

because that's not sort of how I but like The vibe check on this team is different and changing rapidly almost than anything we've seen in several years. Several years where, you know, the tension and sort of the scrutiny and the criticism. And Craig Barubei no longer saying sort of towing the company lying and being positive and like, we've got to work some things out, but I liked it. He's like, no, I'm not doing any of that anymore. He's calling guys out sort of directly, the leadership group. they asked them quote you guys played it earlier i mean that's a guy saying i don't i'm not protecting them

anymore i'm not taking the bullets i'm not going to go to the spin job i'm putting it right on him because it's not that he doesn't care but i think he's probably exhausted all the other options i've tried to be the good guy i've tried to be soft i've tried to be hard behind closed doors and now it's not working so what i got to do maybe you got to turn the heat up publicly because that's what's happening right now and i think for the first time in a decade For so many of these best players, for Nealander, for Matthews, you know, Morgan Raleigh is largely skated, you know, without too much criticism in his game.

Tomorrow's has been celebrated, understandably. So they're getting, like, the idea that they're getting that Toronto heat, which, you know, Toronto could be guilty of, I suppose, or, or suggested it might be that way. It's happening now, and it feels really different. So I don't know what happens in Nashville. They better win tomorrow because Dallas on Sunday is going to be tough. But I do think

the questions that have to be asked are, so you can ask, do we have the right roster? But I think that sort of comes almost third. The question is, do we have the right system being implemented by the right coach?

And that's number one. Because if it's not the right system, then I think Craig Brubay smart enough, he probably, even if he doesn't want to, could figure out other ways for them to play. It's not like it's that confusing. So that's question one. Is it the right system with the right coach putting it in. And then the second question is,

do we have, are the players willing to embrace trying to do that system at best they can? And I got to, like, I want to believe the players want to do well. They don't want to pout and throw the towel and be disinterested. Some of the stuff they get criticized

of, you know, with good reason at times, but I just wonder, does that conversation happening? Is Tray Living asking Brouba, is Brubi asking the other coaches, okay, are we given this team the best chance to be successful? Because I think what we've seen so far,

and we're 35 games in this season, 33, whatever it is, that them being asked to play the way they're being asked to play, they can be competitive, they can win games. They might make the playoffs. They're not a good team. They're not an upper echelon team. Playing this system with these players, I don't care, like they can play harder,

they can be grittier. I don't hear any of that. I just don't think this system, these players, as it is right now, they're an upper echelon team. They're not a Stanley Cup contending team like this. They just aren't. Whether they have injuries or not, and I think that's where they've got to go and try to start through some of that sort of wreckage in the fallout. So just to pile on that or jump on that, Johnny, quickly. If they decided, and Chief's a smart guy,

if they decided to play a different system, does that take the team where you're going to, saying to another level or it just at least gives them a different look? Like that's what I mean is, is this team much better playing a different system, playing the Sheldon Keith system.

Like you're going to ask the I think the best players. Okay, so yeah, that's fair enough. Go ahead. Yeah, I think the best players could be way better in a different system. Yes, I do. I do. Now, do I think Dakota Joshua? Not the pick on it. He's playing

well, so he's either got a pick right now. But if Dakota Joshua or Nick Wogg on a thrive in a different kind of system, up-tempo, puck possession, rush-based system? Maybe not. But you're not going to win or lose sink or swim with Joshua and Wall. You're going to sink or swim with Matthews and Neelander and Nize and Tavares, I suppose, up front. And I think, you know, what they're trying to do, what they're doing is not maximizing those guys specifically.

One quick thing on top of that, you also need to get the puck to do that. Correct. And I don't think their D moved the puck. It's been a problem for two years. They don't move the puck well enough. They're D. Like as a group. But make no mistake. Noodles. Right. This is not a, this is not a 25, 26 problem. Like look at the numbers from last year. Their possession numbers, they were like near bottom of the league. Like as you went along. So possession numbers near bottom of league, expected goal numbers were like 24, high danger chances were like 16. So they got better sort of incrementally that they got closer to their net.

But they were not, and this is the difference, and this is sort of the whole thing with this team and how they're, like, they've not been good under Craig Baroube in these sort of underlying numbers that offer sustainable success. That's the key word. They had the second best say percentage last year.

Yes, right. Right? Everyone who's got the second best say percentage has a good team, whether they're playing well or not. Right? And they had one, Jones, what was in the power play last year? Fifth, seventh? Top five.

Whatever they were in the power play. Really pretty good, right? Right. So, like, that's how you win close games. And I think what's happened is the power play's fallen off And the goaltending hasn't been as great It's been fine, but not as great And they lose post games

But largely playing the same way And yes, Mitch Marner off the roster is part of that equation But it's like it's not like they were Some juggernaut last year This is not revisionist history I had this conversation previously And people like, who cares? They're winning I'm like, I get it

I get it But so many things are falling their way That is allowing them to win last year It's not falling their way this year And I think that's where the system stuff needs to be explored. It's fair. It's just I have a tough time, Philip Meyer, living in that system. But he played on the team last year.

Listen, that defensive core, who's the best puck mover back there? Riley or Ekman-Larsen? Exactly. Yeah, you're not going to lie to you guys. That's true? Off a four-check? You want to know who the best passers were of the puck last year? Tan Evan McKay.

Yeah. Off a four-check. Yeah. Like, you can talk about stretch passes, but under duress, those two guys are the ones who got the puck out of the zone. They knew out of play. And that's been, that's 100% of problem, noodles. 100%. That's why I brought it up.

Hopefully when he gets back, we'll be better with a better foot. Like, he'll move and sort of be able to pass the buck around a bit better. But yeah, like, and it's just, totally legitimate. It's one thing to say, you're not playing the system that maximizes the forwards on this roster. But maybe you don't have the horses, like the personnel to play that kind of. system because you can't pass the buck you can't that's why troy stature looks so good because he skates like he moves around the net and he drops the fort checker and he sort of joins the rush just because he can skate well noodles can i give you a stat and let me yeah sorry mike go ahead

go ahead i just wanted to ask noodles so they are 31st in the league and the amount of time spent in the offensive zone at even strength what is that isn't that on the coach like isn't that 31st or the team is no good or the team is no good but that means they have no talent and I don't think we think that we don't want to talk about this is where I struggle with guys

I don't know how many times people say to me this team is so talented I disagree I think they've got a few talented players and then a bunch of other guys that are just carbon copy of other teams like that's the way I look at it the difference in the last

couple years is you had four guys that could separate anything in any given night. That's the way I looked at it, is the Leafs can play any different style, puck possession, not possession. It's two-two in the third period. One of those guys goes, I got you, you know, or overtime, and there's more ice out there for more skill for those four guys. You lose one of them, and the other one's 35 years old.

Now you're down to two. Everyone says nize. I mean, Johnny, you've said, nize is a really good. player. I don't see him as a star. I see him as a really good player. And so what I look at it is there's a lot of interchangeable players on this roster with two superstars and everybody else. So to me, they've got to play differently. There it is then. Like if you're saying they have two stars and a whole bunch of similar players, well, so what does Ottawa have? Three stars? You can get a system that doesn't have

you 29th in possession in the league. Yep. Right? Like where you're not getting outshot 27 of 33 times. You can create system play to find a way to either level the playing field because what they're doing now is not, it's both not maximizing their superstars

or leveling the playing field to make everyone sort of mediocre. Like get them in the pack. It's doing neither. It's hurting the best guys and also having them get caved in. And so like, you know, figure out what you want to do. Try to make the other guys just tread water and the stars win for you.

That was last year. That might not be feasible this year because of weather health, personnel, whatever, goaltending. Then you have to find something else. Then, like, I'm not a coach, so I can't necessarily tell you what I would do. But, like, you know, I do like the idea of having the puck more. And I watch them do this, and I try to draw, like, they do the stretch, tip, dump as much as any team I can remember seeing. right so they post guys up with the far blue line they wire a puck up there

they chip it in the guy who chips it is standing still so he's never going to get it some guy from the other side who is also standing still the blue line he tries to get in the forecheck and this is where the speed factor comes into play I don't think the guys don't want to work hard on the forecheck I don't think they're not fully bought in trying to get the puck back

what I think is that they're not there fast enough that they can't do it and so like that's just an example like I watched them play like that in the neutral zone I'm like this is why you never get the puck back the dump and chase doesn't have the chase is the dump and turn it over so these are the conversations we're having

I feel like they must be having to try to find other better ways to get more other than saying try harder because try harder for me falls sort of on deaf ears after a while well everybody tries hard like you're not out there

there is some lazy players in the league and you watch them all throughout the league, but they're opportunists. That's what they are. They try hard when they need to try hard. The puck gets close to them or whatever. But I do think something has to give with this group. Brian, I'll go back to you.

This is what you said right at 4 o'clock, is what's going to give here? Because you're 33 games in. Where are you at? Where do you go from here? Well, this is where I think there's, you know, there's a certain age of the fan base that's getting nostalgia here because at some point, ownership has to be included. in the vision of where this is going. Not just about can you beat Nashville tomorrow or Dallas on Sunday.

Not just can we find a way to salvage and get into the playoffs. It's a bigger picture conversation. It's coinciding with Jonas, your article, where they're not even selling out right now. It's not that they're a mess, but that's a shot. That goes all the way up the chain. You got Keith Pelley here who's relatively new.

Keith is trying to win. He's looking down the street and his counterpart is Mark Shapiro. That guy is riding high right now. within the same ownership group. They don't fall under the same umbrella, but I'd be shocked if there isn't some competition there. Keith is probably looking at him saying, all right, look what's going on with the Jays down, Bremler.

I've got to find a way to get this cooking. That is nostalgia that I think scares leave fans, because what happens generally is patchwork, right? And it becomes delusional sometimes. It becomes, we've got to do whatever we can to find a way to win right now, and then you lose sight of the big picture, or you're just simply off base

in terms of the evaluation. well and then you create just not you may not be that good then you create the cycle of like you fire the coach then the season just doesn't work anyway and then you fire the GM and then it's like you're in the same then where are we going or we're trade more picks and prospects and we're trying to get back we've got to get in the dance this is the thing and and we might be in it already the greatest mess up you could do as a GM is not making bad trades is not accurately assessing where your team is who your team is. And we might be in there because they traded a first and a prospect for Brandon Carlo for Scotty Lawton, right? They did that assuming we're going to be a Stanley Cup contender, we're going to finish

in the top seven, that pick is going to be 25, and we don't need to worry about it. It's the go back to the Phil Kessel trade. The Phil Kessel trade was fine, except the Leafs were terrible and not good. So now it turns out to Tyler Sagan and Dougie Hamilton get drafted with those picks. It wasn't the evaluation of the

picks, is the evaluation of where your team stands. You were talking about Rasmus Anderson. This is the challenge of the Rasmus Anderson. What are you going to trade another first round pick for him? How good do you think you are? They don't have another first round pick. Yeah, they do at 28. I think that's complete malpractice.

And that's what I'm saying. And then that's where, and this is where I spend time thinking about this. And making trades is tricky. Roster freeze tonight. So it doesn't even matter what happens this weekend. Nothing's happening. There's a roster freeze. guys have no trade protection earned

and you're going to trade a Matthew Nyes away of course not there's no way it's no way you're going to do that a young player so making big deals of consequence really tough to do but also furthermore on that quickly not really it's hard to do

trusting that the GM who has put these pieces together if it gets to a point where they go okay this is I don't know if you want to classify an end of an era or we've hit a stalemate we're not good anymore we've got to adjust is tree living the guy

that you trust to adjust into the next wave like that's what they have to be asking right now if you're Pellian ownership like if he comes to you and accurately assesses what you just said that we're not that good we missed we got to make adjustments we got we got to trade pieces off we got to gain

some flexibility we got to bring in picks we got to bring in prospects it seems like a very reasonable pitch what also comes with that is him saying you got to give me three years to complete it right so I don't know I mean also saying it was me who put us here right

and that's where it's not like the guy before me and that's it's not that I for a second think Baroube should be fired or deserves be fired or whatever he's not good I'm not saying that but this is sports this is like when you start thinking if we

because they're so desperate Hayes not to acknowledge what you just said like they don't want to utter those words that we're not good, we miss the window, it's not happening, we got to have a pivot, whatever you want to call it. And I don't know if they're there yet. We might, you know, last night was not great.

The last two weeks have not been great. But we are 35 games in, so something is here. But I don't think they want to go down that road, which again, leaves you to the path of least resistance is the one that maybe is the least deserved, the coach. Yeah. But like, I don't think they're there yet for a second. But like something is going to,

change. Something is going to happen. There is friction forces rubbing up against each other right now. The standings, the production of their top players, the energy coming off the coach, the pressure from the GM and the own new ownership and

President Keith's Pell. Like all those things are part of this equation. And all I was like, it feels like I don't know how much longer. 10 days, if it doesn't go better, maybe New Year's. Let's say New Year's, that's kind of a comfortable number. something will happen

it will not just be sort of let's keep racking it up and see if we get better let's just go back to the well more time something is going to happen you can just sort of yeah you can feel it this weekend feels very substantial like if you lose and you look lifeless at Nashville in particular Dallas is more reasonable but still

they're an NHL team you got to play if you think you're a good team then no one should terrify you're supposed to be yeah you're supposed to be able to go with those teams like that's Those are great barometers right now. I also don't know how the fans are going to react because, you know, they got loud the other night.

They booed. You know, remember the, sometimes it becomes a mercy play where if the coach is getting cackerel. Ron Wilson, remember that? That was it. It was like I can't keep putting them out there. The thing is the players, their approval rating is so low here. I'm not convinced we're that far away from the players getting it.

Like, not a Larry Murphy. They were getting it the other night, Hayes. I know, but I'm talking individual players. Individual players. Right. The best players, the leaders. Which is wild. Yes.

They're like, these are like arguably, when you're talking about the best players. You're saying Matthews and Nylander. Exactly who I'm talking about. And you can throw Morgan Riley in there. So also Matthews, William Nealander, are two of the best eight players in the history of the franchise. Like, it's crazy, but it's true. Yeah.

Morgan Riley is a top five defensemen in the history of this franchise. They've been in the playoff nine years in a row and they've had a, they won the division last year. They were the only team to take the Stanley Cup champion of seven games, and we are 33 games, two

and a half months into this, and it is flipping so fast. And we can talk about why or why not, but the fact that these guys who should have so much goodwill banked feel like they're getting towards the line where the tolerance of

is getting thin for poor performances. It's it's happening very fast. It's happening very quickly. So I quickly, I know we've got to go, but I asked at the starting, I believe Johnny you probably would have heard it. Was the expect, is the expectations

for this group based of where they are too high? Whose expectations you're talking about? You're talking about mine or Jonas's? I think ours were probably a little bit more tempered than the GMs. And this is the issue, right? The GM, the coach, the president, when Keith Pelley's talking about winning cups and, you know,

challenging personally on the Cups. Like that's what they say publicly, they often should. I think there probably should have been noodles coming off of last year where there's so much positivity. It probably was not irrationally, but too high. The expectations were too high coming to this season based on a lot of the stuff that has played out that we could have saw potentially happening from last year.

and unfortunately for Leifes have sort of carried forward and the numbers have caught up to them this year. All right, Johnny. We'll see what they have in store this weekend, man. There's a lot going on in the league, too. Kristen Jari's on the IR. That just came out when we were talking about this. So there's an introduction to the team.

Now, guys, I heard, I read a thing, Hayes. He's only missed 33 games in his 10-year career, on the injured list. So he's not really injury prone, even though it feels like he is. Right. Yeah, no, I know, you're right. It just sucks because you... It's terrible timing.

You're trying to settle in, you know, and the thing is, though, that, you know, that trade had to happen. So it happened, unfortunately... But Cal Pickard. Well, I think Ingram's going to play. And Ingram's coming up. I like him as a goalie. He's going to get chances to play.

It might be the best. It might be Ingrid and Jari when it's all said and done, right? I believe that. That's where I think the end game's going to be. I think it's going to be Jari and Ingram. but Ingram is 28 years old. He's a really good goaltender, but he's had some struggles, right? And it's well documented, so I'm not, you know, spilling the beans.

He's had struggles this last year, and he's working to get his game back in order. It's probably been fast-tracked now with the injury to Jari, but I think Ingram's going to play games for them, and he's a good goalie. They're 28th. They like him. Well, man, it's going to be an action-packed weekend. So enjoy yourself, John. always buddy thank you for doing this all right boys this segment will be brought to you by turtles

i'm gonna go crush half a box and a great segment a great time a great segment all around everyone's having a great time great segment guys cheers to all of us thanks johnny appreciate it uh mike johnson joining us here on the maple toyota hotline all right how much money do you think we've made for turtle oh i'm sure the stock is through the roof why wouldn't it be all right dear hazy be coming up we'll come and reset. Again, we've got some big games in the NHL, NBA, NFL this weekend. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and up on YouTube live.

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Inchu and Marriota? It'll crush the NBA in terms of in terms of ratings. They'll still do 20, 25 million for those games. And the NBA will do, what, 7, 8? I'm not sure down in the U.S., but the NFL's king, man. It doesn't matter who plays. You asked Luke about Arnold.

Can I ask you a question about that? So I'm going to name some NFC quarterbacks quickly. Tell me who you would rather have. Love. Love. Stafford. Stafford. Right now, Stafford. Hurdy. Ooh, that's a tough one. That's a think about it.

That's a think about. Hertz. Hertz is won a Super Bowl and a Super Bowl MVP. Hertz. I'm going to go with Hertz. Caleb. Darnold. Wow. Right now, Darnold.

Caleb's numbers have not. Yeah, I've been great this year. Like his, they've won a bunch of games where his, like, completion rate is under 60%. Okay, last one, Baker. I love Baker. I'm a Baker guy. I'd go with Baker, Mackey.

So that means he's like, over all of those? You're right? So it's like, over Darnold. Yeah. Which, still, there's 16 teams in the conference. You know, if you're, if you have the, it's like, can you win a Super Bowl? I don't know if you can, but I would have said, like, the questions were there for

Jalen Hertz as well. Yeah. Right. And they won a Super Bowl. It wasn't like, and he won Super Bowl MVP. I think the point is the guy's got to be great at some point. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like where if you look at him at the Holmes, you're like, I know he's going to be great. He's clearly going to be the best player throughout it. He's going to lead the charge. If you have more of a quote-unquote systems quarterback, which basically means he's just not Uber talented. Yeah. He's got to have a moment or two that's Uber clutch. Like Eli Manning's the best example of that.

He's better than that, though. Eli was not some superstar player. Ever. Why can't it, Sam Bradford? Yeah, one with the Eagles? Well, he went first overall, no, that was Nick Foles. Bradford was the first overall pick when they were still in St. Louis. So it was in the Super Bowl.

But Foles was great at times in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl. How does Eli have so little respect? Yeah. But he won. He won twice. He was great in the playoffs. Like every time. You're right.

Joe Flacco clutch, like historically very clutch. But Eli, like his toolbox was not, like, he, He gets compared to his brother and Brady. Yes, he is nowhere close to those guys. And he was a really good player. There was incredibly clutch in the playoffs, you're right, and beat Brady twice in the Super Bowl, but didn't beat him 48-47.

The first time they won was like 1710. And the next one, like he just, he pulled off two-minute drives. They were incredible. Two of the great flukier catches plays ever, right? But he threw him and he led the charge. You got to give them full credit for that. Right. But I guess that's what you're hoping for if you're Seattle.

Like Kent Darnal, give me a couple of, give me one Eli Manning run. Yeah. Just be clutch and stay, you know, stay in the pocket, make your throws. Sometimes, though, guys, the QB, the goalie, you name it, you know, they could, they just have to be good if the team is good, too. Like, you don't have to dominate, you can just, if you're good and efficient, that's what you're saying about Eli. Eli had a run, like he was good. but you have to be good at the right time. That's what it is.

So Darnold might be like the Stu Skinner kind of a little bit? I mean, they made two finals. They did, but here was the disagreement I had with somebody. They're like, oh, you know, Jari's hurt all the time. I'm like, well, he's actually only missed 33 games in his career, but it's bad timing. And I said, I think Jari's a better goalie than Skinner, but we'll see. You're right. He's been unproven in the playoffs.

The thing is, is Stuart Skinner had help in the play. playoffs. Game five of the Stanley Cup final, Calvin Pickard started. That is, you know, for me, that is, it's telling, right? Like, you can have help, like, Corey Crawford, what's this? Scott Darling played a few games. Darling, the first round he played. And Cory Crawford took over and then ran them to the cup, right?

Braden Holpey, it was Philip Gruber that started game at one or two or whatever, and then Holby took over. I've seen, Matt Murray. Larry and Murray, yeah. Flurry and Murray. Like, you just see it, but for the most part, your guy, the guy who is the one who runs right through the final, who runs right through everything. And, you know, Skinner needed help in those situations.

That's the difference. Well, you also got help from clutch players, right? Like, McDavid and Dry Settle had some games where it's like, you go ahead, give up four or five, we're not losing tonight. Yeah. Like, we're going to score five or six or do whatever we have to. Which is what a great quarterback will sometimes do that. Joe Burrow.

I guess not the best example recently but when the defense fails or whatever it's like we'll win 49-48 if we have to I think that now last night was a shootout like it turned out to be what was it 38 37 in the fourth quarter where you like I was thinking like man I don't know if this guy can do it

I have my doubts I still do like we asked Luke that and Luke was still hesitant to say I'm a full believer but you got to give credit words too yeah like I was sitting there at the half texting with a lot of people being like I knew it Arnold would just, it just wasn't going to happen. Well, that two-point conversion is the craziest thing.

He's so lucky that A. A. A. Ram player didn't jump on it. That's where McVeigh is going to go nuts. Because I can just picture Belichick screaming at his guys. We teach you that in August. There's a live ball. If you didn't hear a whistle, jump on it. And the fact that they didn't is crazy. And the fact that even the Seahs player

just kind of musied over it. He wasn't grabbing it thinking touch, like two-point conversion. He was like, I'll just pick this up, hand it back to the rep. Right. Oh, hey. He was barely in the end zone. He was a half foot in. He's like, here you go, stripes. I don't know.

We missed it. And then he gets credit. It's like, yeah, all right. Two-point conversion. But you're right. Like, Donald, he got very lucky last night. Yeah. But when he needed to make throws down the stretch, he did.

In the fourth quarter, he did, and overtime, he did the two-point conversion he did, he's going to have to continue to prove it. And guess what? He's lucky because he's got that shot. Like, he had it in Minnesota last year. He's got it in Seattle. They're really good. They got talent.

They got a really good defense. They got a good coach. They're set up. for success. Yeah. That was a great game last night, like a great, great game. It was. I even know we lost, I felt for, Luke gets so emotional in that stuff, right?

Feel for the guy. He's just dying on the vine, man. Al's brother is just being a hero too. Al's brother now challenging him on, you know, Pooka Nakuas rankings and sticky hands. Well, Al's brother writes, we're up by two touchdowns and then does like the, whatever this means, you know, the devil horns or whatever. I was like, oh, my God. Al's brother is stuffing Luke in a locker every week.

Classic. Yeah, Al's brother, listen, his football knowledge is world-renowned, man. He picks winners. He's got tremendous information. I trust his scouting eye. I wasn't kidding, man. You've got to get that guy to the combine. Get out of his brother as an independent scout.

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Football game days are better at BP We've been talking about buying Christmas gifts recently And you know you weren't on yesterday, noodles. I was taking heat from Owen Feschuk because I said I went out to buy gifts for people and while I

was there I bought myself some stuff which I thought that was totally reasonable. Like I'm in the store. Why can't I do that? What did they say? What was there? Oh it was like how dare you this is the season of giving you know I wasn't there like splurging wasn't buying like you know gold teeth and you know like I didn't go buy a new car

or something. Yeah like And then you tell your wife, we don't have any money at Christmas. You'd be by all your trunk just full of stuff. Right. Like it is. I didn't go to Goldtown and buy new clubs. You know, I was like, yeah, a new pair of shoes. Yeah, I need that.

You know, kind of need a new shirt. I was there. But support. Yeah. Thank you, Jonas. See, that's reasonable. I back you on that too, for sure. Yeah.

What's the difference? December 18th, July 18th. You're in the store. Why does it make a difference? And you got gifts for other people. Exactly. And that was why I was there. And I accomplished that.

I didn't stop short of that. I didn't waste time on myself. and say, I'll come back later or maybe not at all. I got those jobs done, and I moved on. So there is an esteemed gentleman that works here at TSN, and we all know in love. And he has run into a particament that he's taking a lot of heat on. I'm curious where you guys stand on this,

because it's the age-old question, especially with married couples. You go practical, or do you go, you know, is it the sizzle or the steak, right? Because sometimes you've got to go sizzle and you've got to get something, she's not expecting, something a little bit off the beaten path. There was an individual that bought his wife new tires for Christmas, and I think it's going to wrap them individually. Oh, that's... Don't do it.

Four tires under the tree. Is the question of, is this a good idea? Is it a good idea? The tires or the wrapping? Ah, you can comment on both. No. I think you got the answer. Okay, I go, I think wrapping them is asinine.

There's four giant tires sitting in your living room or in your family room. You roll it over? Here's another one for you. With a bow on it, the bow is like squashed. But I mean, practical, hey, I've got you some winter tires. Can I have them put on a Canadian tire next week? Does it count as a Christmas gift, though? Isn't that something you just kind of got to do?

You got to step up and buy the winter tires, right? I don't know. I played with a guy. I don't think it's a good idea at Christmas, man. Like, you can do it at Christmas, but you can't count that as your gift. Not at all. I don't know. That's trouble.

I think it's practical. I think as long as she's on board be like, hey, I'm fish tail. in all over the roads here. Can you get me some new tires? No. I'll buy yourself for Christmas. But here's the best part noodles. Yeah, but you got to wait until Christmas.

It's ice on the road. 23rd, she's fish tailing on the town of the road. You'll get the money. You got to wait. You got to wait. It's a surprise. Kids don't know. Yeah.

I think it's, I think you got to just give those right away. Yeah, there's no, there's no wrapping them and there's no tires. It's like a tooth rush for Christmas. Right. Exactly. Can't do it, man. I played with a guy who bought his wife a sew. machine for Christmas.

That's a good idea. That's okay. Unless there's like an implication there that you need to do something. Well, if he throws a pair of jeans at her and goes, hey, there's a rip in the knee. Can you fire that thing up? I'll never forget it. I was hosting our team party, and he had gone to the mall early and showed up at the party early, an hour early.

And he's like, I'm so pumped. He parked his car out on my street. He's like, I got the wife a sewing machine. I go, on purpose? I didn't understand. Like, I was single at the time. I'm like, I guess that's what you get wives. He's like, oh, she's going to love it.

I'm like, I think she's an actress. Isn't it? She's like, why are you giving her a sewing machine? Like, such a weird thing. Sewing machines in general are just a wild contraption, man. You get someone that knows how to operate that. Yeah, you get like a real foot pedal. You get like, it's an impressive skill.

I admit I have never used one. I never will. Yeah. But I guess it's one thing if you're passionate about that, but I don't know. Is there, I guess there is passion behind, you know, sewing and stuff. Yeah, I get it, but it just, it was weird. If you knew him and knew her, like, I didn't know if she... Right, it's not a seamstress or something.

Yeah, exactly. Like, it wasn't like a career boosting move. No. Okay. We got a text or a tweet in. You can tweet us at any time at Overdrive 1050. CJ tweeting and saying, Dear Hazybee, new neighbors moved in recently, and we share a driveway. First day we met, he said he's happy to do my side when it snows if he has.

time, I said I would do the same. I have now shoveled the whole thing four times already, all on my own, and he has brought nothing to the table. How do I approach this? That's tough. Because there's been a lot of snow, man. And now you can't stop doing it, right?

Like, if it snows and you do yours. Oh, I think that's precisely the message. You just do half the driveway now? Right at the halfway point. That's a message. I'm not doing it a fifth time. because it's either that or you just let it sit and until the guy gets the message, right? Like, it's one or the other

because he is clearly coming home to a clean driveway and saying this is amazing. What a setup. If you're close enough with him, shoot a text and be like, hey, you're going to do the driveway here? I've done it the last time. I don't think they're that close, noodles. It's a recently moved-in new neighbor.

What if you just didn't do yours? You're punishing yourself. That's it. Why not? Like, why are you punishing yourself? You've got the work out that to go off. I think Hayes' idea is like, just do your side and, you know, send the message like, hey, I've done it four times in a row. You're not getting a fifth.

Yeah. The thing is, like, sometimes depending on where it is, you know, you get in, if you're in the city or something and you live in kind of an older, more established neighborhood, sometimes you'll share like the walkway through the middle of the houses, too, right? which is where I grew up with that. So you can't really just do your driveway because at some point if you want to get to the back of the house or down to the side of the house, that's got to be taken care of. It becomes a bit of it becomes dicey, man.

I know the math on that. You know, it's like you've got to be neighborly. You got to try to make it's never going to be 100% even. But you got to pull your way. You can't go over four out of the gates. No. That's crazy. Those numbers are completely unacceptable.

Yeah, you've got to chip in. Yeah. I think there's a message that has to be sent. You either just don't do it, and then you wait a day, and if he still hasn't done it, then you go out and you just do your half. And you say this is where we're going now. That's a strong message. It's as strong as it gets.

That was you. Yes. Would you be like, oh, man, I said it. 100%. You know what it, you know exactly what it says. When it's a sharp line, like, because you can stop a shovel wherever you want to stop a shovel. That's true. The line right down the middle of the driveway.

the official ruling of where the city would establish your property from his. It's a, it's a, or he could just shovel it onto theirs? Well, that's extreme. Then you're looking for a fight. Like, if you're blowing it all into their side of things. It's a big mound of snow on his side. Oh, that's greasy.

No, you can't do that. You can't do that. Yeah. I don't know. I think I told you guys, like, I bought an ATV with a shovel on the front. I had enough. I had a company that came and did my driveway and they ran a tree over and broke it

and then wouldn't pay for it. Yeah. Shouldn't have been standing there. I had to show them video evidence that they ran the tree over. Yeah. Well, I'm in a predicament right now because I bought a few gift cards

and I did it quickly and I took off and an hour later I checked. One of them wasn't in there. Wait, was that the gift shopping you did? Because that changes it. No, it wasn't. It's a completely different story. But now I'm jammed because I'm like, what am I going to do?

I'm going to go back and be like, hey, you got to believe me. Like, yeah, okay, dude. So I don't know how I'm going to handle that. But you made the right call noodles. Get rid of those guys. You can't take trees out. I mean, and not take responsibility. That's amateur hour.

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