OverDrive - OverDrive - February 12, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Join Aaron Korolnek, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss Canada kicking off the 4 Nations Face-Off against Sweden, the lineup construction for the team and Jordan Binnington starting in net. TSN Host James Duthie joins to discuss international best-on-best returning, Sidney Crosby's career excellence and goaltending around the country.

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is powered by FanDuel. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, this is Overdrive. We haven't been able to say this in many, many years, but Team Canada in action tonight in Montreal at the Bell Center, four nations face off. Let's go. Canada, Sweden, 8 o'clock. I'm Aaron Koronek and for Brian Hayes with my friends, Jamie McClennan and Jeff O'Neal. Boys, what's going on? How we feeling?

Day two of equal or better hosts on overdrive. I don't know buddy I thought you did a great job yesterday great job. I refuse to accept the compliments because any of us could have done it and it's no no offense to anyone that hosts but to say hey let's let to so and so how you doing man? I know but you had actually your outros you had you teased a couple segments I mean you were on top of it I was quite impressed I was I'm not lying I was a little bit early and I brought up early in the show if we were getting in trouble we were going to phone a friend you know it would be like that game show phone phone a friend. What was that? $1 million?

Who wants to be a millionaire? Who wants to be a millionaire? Noodles, haven't we been doing this too long to get in that much trouble where we would desperately have to phone a friend? No, I felt like if we had a segment and we were just drowning, okay, let's call Gord Miller or let's call somebody, Mark Rowe or call AK and be like, hey, you're coming on tomorrow. What do you make of it? But I mean, you had it laid out beautifully.

I will say Doogie put in some pretty good work, pretty good work, Joe from the Bridge. Everybody was dialed in. I feel like when the teacher's away, sometimes the substitute teacher can be a mess. We were the other way. We were dial were dialed in we wanted to make sure the show was good yeah we didn't want word to get back to him that it was a complete gong show because as much as he takes pride when he's on the show if he gets word that it goes to hell when he's away he's triple pissed so

AK it's good to see you. Always good to see you. And let me ask you this. The big games tonight, AK, what is the one thing where you're like, I can't wait to see how that plays out? Gotta be the power play, right? I mean, the level of talent that Canada has on this PP against Sweden, which is a very viable opponent.

I think a lot of people are looking at this tournament thinking it's just Canada and the Americans. The Swedes are nasty. Dude, no kidding. I said that yesterday. The Swedes are nasty and so is Finland. Like Barkov is their number one centerman. He's unreal.

He's an awesome player. I thought of it too because we're so hyper focused on Team Canada. I kept thinking to myself, this might be crazy talk, but what if Eric Carlson just comes alive? Yeah. What if this like... Best player in the tournament. Right.

Like he's had... He could be, man. He's not good. I'm just saying, Eric Carlson has had a mediocre, with his standards, less than mediocre tenure in Pittsburgh, right? He was a rock star in San Jose that last year, 100 points, Norris Finals, all that fun stuff. If this guy turns back the clock and he gets around his countrymen and him and Victor Headman decide they're gonna put a show on or something, like I kept

thinking to myself there are guys who could go one way or the other to change the fortunes of their season. I do believe Eric Carlson is a guy who's had a negative cloud around him for the last two years. Well, deservedly so, though, Jamie. I understand. I'm not saying he hasn't earned that. I'm not saying his situation that he's been great or been a difference maker.

But, you know, he's still a hell of a player. And if he gets around his countrymen and starts to feel it a little bit like, you know, you better watch out there. That's the, that's my prediction on somebody who's had a poor season, who could maybe turn their season or career around somebody like Eric Carlson, who's really, you know, kind of been frowned upon in the last couple of years. Interesting to note, Carlson not on PPp one for sweden tonight's headman raimond's have been a jet neil and are in july ericson act which is a little bit

curious you think eric carlson would be the power play quarterback but maybe a lot of you know i should play in pittsburgh yeah they can't it's just like you see carlson go out there and i've done it numerous times watching pet yeah you're watching him play and you're like, what the hell is he doing? What is that guy doing? Where years before you were watching that guy saying, remember the big conversation was he would go number two after Crosby a couple years in TSN's top 50 players.

He was number two. And then you watched him resurface and win the Norris in San Jose. And then there's some times in Pittsburgh on a power play where you're like, dude, you're not even into this. Like you are nowhere on earth to be doing that out there. So who knows what you're going to get. But like Jamie said, maybe being around the guys and it's something different and the team doesn't suck and everyone's got a shot maybe that changes things I don't know I just do you guys remember this this would be some time ago I'd have to look at the exact date but John Gibson was he was

unreal he had a season where he was just standing on his head I think there was whispers of him being you know Vezna type of season and he was just standing on his head. I think there was whispers of him being, you know, Vezna type of season. And he got to the All-Star game and got blown up. Like do you remember he was allowing like eight and nine and eleven? And honestly, his season just derailed. After the All-Star game. I remember like he was having this Rockstar season and then, you know, the All-star game I remember like he was having this rock star season and then you know the all-star game. It's three on three Nobody cares and it's goal here back door there

But and and he never recovered the rest of that season now He's playing on a different team all of that type of stuff as far as anaheim and and and not being great I just remember him having this crazy season and it was unbelievable and then after the all-star game it went south Yeah, and that's kind of like, you know know you go to the home run derby and you yeah you whack a bunch of dingers and you come back and you can't find the ball at all and that's happened before. Did Fladdy do that? Exactly that happened so you hope that's not the case for anybody in this tournament but clearly it's such a short tournament and it's such a fascinating one in that

For these two teams tonight if they were to lose in regulation if you're Sweden or you're Canada You are all of a sudden in major trouble You play three games in the round robin the top two teams go to the final in Boston next Thursday It's eight days and there's really It's it's of course not must win tonight for Canada or for Sweden, but you got to go balls to the wall immediately if you're Canada. You're not messing around. You're not easing anybody in and if it goes awry for either team tonight, you can guarantee it'll be ratcheted up times 100 tomorrow. Canada USA on Saturday will take on a completely different importance for the Canadians if they don't get it tonight. So the opportunity

for Canada for Sweden to kind of alleviate some pressure here in game two and game three because it can go real bad real quick for you when a tournament this short. Well let me throw this out there. And I brought this up yesterday but either way do you feel like we're going to have overreaction Thursday tomorrow? Good or bad? Are you high? I got to go on Sports Center tonight.

It'll be overreaction Sports Center. I know, but you know what I mean. I'm talking... Dude, just think of this. I can hear it right now and the guy's coming up at 4.30. He's going to look at me and say, if they lose, he's going to gonna say would you change up all the lines and I'm gonna go yep no I'm right you should well but I don't think that's crazy because the term is so short I think coaching is you don't have time to wait around mess around the coaching is

the most important element of this tournament the decisions the coaches make with goaltending with deep pairs with four lines are monumental. They are. And I just witnessed it at the World Junior, which is a longer tournament, but still not that long, where it was like, how long are these guys going to keep grinding away and not producing offense with the same power play and the same lines and the same guys going out there and not producing and they were out there some of them just weren't the best players and some of them were out there on reputation and it's like these guys aren't gonna score and it just it cost in the tournament that's where I'm

going with this though hockey Canada has not had a good run here recently and you know the world juniors and lot lot of light being shined on it what's going on and then and I can see here's another headline for you if it doesn't go well for Jordan Bennington who is there a crease crisis you know rather will be screaming at you crease crisis in Canada and you know that's the headline you know so I can already envision so Jordan Bittington has himself a game and Canada wins a nice five to something nothing to see here We can avoid the headlines tomorrow But if they do they lose or if a goaltender causes it, you know the headlines, you know the storyline

Whatever. We'll be talking tomorrow tomorrow it's over reaction Thursday regardless of they get if they get their ass handed to them in this event Wayne and Mario are gonna get called in for the summit and they're gonna have it yeah I'm telling you they're gonna meet in Whistler and Wayne they're gonna fly in Wayne and Mario and they're gonna get to the details of it because it'll be a gong show man it is though but that's how as much as people are either invested or not invested in this tournament that is still I think what's at stake for Canadian hockey is people right now kind of have where are we at with Canadian hockey the world juniors

it didn't go well for them you know we haven't seen Olympic hockey in a while we've seen all these other countries kind of quote unquote catch up or get a lot better. And to me, yes, we still have the best players in McKinnon and McDavid and McCarr, you go right down the line. But if they lose, they're going to say, what is going on with Canadian hockey? Yeah. And the expectation is gold. The expectation is gold and anything less is unacceptable. That's how it should be for Canada. And I don't think of these modern players like McDavid and Crosby and McKinnon. I always had the expectation whether it was right or wrong that Gretzky and Lemieux were gonna find a way to get it done. That's just kind of, you know, Gretzky and

Lindrass were gonna find a way to get it done. That's just kind of, you know, Gretzky and Lindros were going to find a way to get it done. And when they lost to the Czechs at the Olympics, I was kind of like, I can't believe that Canada just lost that. And we've seen some losses after that, but the team that went over to Salt Lake City, I was like, these guys, like, I always think the clutch factor is going to come through. And when you think of Connor McDavid and Nathan McKinnon and Sidney Crosby, I just think that that's going to get it done. Not because they're just known as better players or McDavid's the best player in the world. I just think that the clutch gene

and them guys being on the same roster, I just think that roster wins. And I understand fully how good the other lineup is. That USA roster looks almost unbeatable. But I go to Sid, I go to McKinnon, and I go to McDavid, and I go to McCarr on the back end. I'm like, those guys probably win in the end. It's my initial thoughts. Well, and they should.

But that being said, I'm worried worried and worried might be a strong word But all I can think about is you know Oh Even when you and I played the big joke was if you lost out in the playoffs the guys That were European on your team could not wait to get to the World Championships to play for their country Like it was always a big thing the Swedish guys and right to the airport finish right to the world championships to play for their country. Like it was always a big thing, the Swedish guys. Right to the airport. Right to the airport.

Like where all of us would be going and drinking for a week or whatever and be pissed that we lost in the playoffs. These guys would be burning rubber to get to the plane. And before you finished noodles, I just wanted to say, part of my reason for saying no was, you put a lot into the NHL playoffs and I got asked a couple times after getting beat out and I'm like, I got nothing in the tank.

Like I just put my heart and soul into the playoffs. I don't feel like playing other hockey, but go ahead. No, I'm the same way. I got asked once and I was like, I'm not going to go for three weeks to be a number three goaltender. Like I just said, I was like, yes, it's a vacation, all that type of stuff, but I just felt like I was tired and cranky and all of that fun stuff. But I still look at it when these countries, and I'm talking Finland and Sweden in particular

because those are the two European ones, these guys have played together, they train together, they see each other in the summer. I think, I hope we're not underestimating them because that Finnish team knows how to play. Sweden knows how to play and guaranteed they're hearing what we've got to say is like Canada's a favorite, then it's US and then it's two other countries that we're not even sure they're going to be in the building. And to me, I think Sweden's going to try and make a statement tonight. What I think is so interesting about this tournament as a whole and the lead into it, let's think the last couple of months, there were a lot of doubts as to how seriously the players would take the tournament. Would it be all out for Canada and the US and Sweden and Finland? The answer is clearly yes. I mean, doubt he comes back from injury. Crosby misses a couple of NHL games just to be ready for this tournament

You guys see Jake Sanderson was at the airport in Miami getting ready to go to Costa Rica When he got the call to replace Quinn Hughes like he wanted to be there and then we get to this Matthew Kachuk comment made yesterday About just how important he feels this tournament is for him. And why don't we take a listen to what he had to say? He feels this term it is for him and why don't we take a listen to what he had to say? The season is a long season the regular season and especially after the last few years With deep runs in the playoffs and I just think coming here like it it brings me right back to the ceiling the finals the same mindset like the same stuff leading into it and and You know these games to me and my team like this is as big as it gets for us. We're talking four game sevens.

So we're really excited for this and the intensity just continues to just elevate close, getting close to that first game. And I'm just, I'm super excited to be here. I'm super excited. You wanna play in these games. This is what you dream about. These best on best, must win games. So the intensity will ramp up very, very fast

and I'm sure it'll peak right around puck drop for us. Four game sevens. Yeah, if anybody was going into this kind of half-ass and they better have got wind of that quote because that might change your philosophy a little bit. If you're on a different team, you're like, well, maybe this is pretty serious because if that guy they're saying we're playing four game sevens and that guy's a pain in the ass on a good day and him and his brother will be out there absolutely just running over everything and they'll be playing for keeps I love that comment I love the

quote and I'm sure every all the organizers in the league loves the quote too because that that's a there's no better way to kickstart a tournament to have that guy Say that could you imagine if you're on a finished team and you went out pretty late? You're kind of like, you know, we'll see how this tournament unfolds and you're listening that guy, you know going hey We're treating this like a game seven and and you know what? I do believe it like Matthew is a guy that that's well spoken and, but he comes to play in, when on the biggest platforms. And Brady, keep in mind, we've talked about this at length on this show.

Brady's 25 years old, been in the league, this is year seven, and he hasn't been, he hasn't played playoff games, right? This is, this is his first taste of kind of, you know, what that next level looks like. And to me, he'll be chomping at the bit so I think I don't disagree with the Kachaks I think they're gonna be flying and we'll see if other teams can counter that yeah you think about a Barkov texted him hey you want to have a no-hitter on Thursday night you'd probably hang up the phone and block the guy's number absolutely but but

consider the Kachaks and Eichel and Matthews for the Americans amongst many others, of course McDavid and Marner and McKinnon and McCarr, these guys haven't been able to stake their claim for their country because of all the nonsense that's gone on over the last couple years with the Olympics being cancelled and the inability for us to figure out a way to play best on best. This is the opportunity and say what you will about how short the tournament is and perhaps it's not the best representation of best on best considering some of the teams and players aren't at the turn who aren't at the tournament but this is what

it is and clearly the players are embracing and I think that's an incredible thing for the sport of hockey and if you're a fan of hockey a fan of team Canada it's not gonna get any better than tonight at 8 o'clock. I think the big connection is, it's kind of like the younger guys. You look at Sid, you look at Doughty. And I think the generation of the McCarr, McKinnon, McDavid, they were like, we want that crack

to be on a squad with those guys one time, because it's been so long. I mean, when was that last World Cup of hockey? 16. 16. That's creeping up almost 10 years ago, man. Yeah, nine years ago, man. Like, it's insane.

So those guys are like, thank God we're getting the one last shot to put all of us together on the same ice and let's make the most of it because you know that they don't want to say they've been waiting for it forever And they're so fired up that Sid's able to play and you could I don't know about you guys but I'm getting the sense that the respect for Sid and his career and everything he does and Everything he brings to the table. It's kind of taken a front

You know a front seat here because everybody's they're an other guy and I sure because he's an awesome player I agree I go through the league a lot. You talk to players that are older veteran guys and then you talk to young players. Some of them, I'll be quite honest, some of them don't know the history of the game. They don't need to know somebody like me played or whatever, late 90s, 2000s. But the history of the game where, hey hey that assistant coach scored 500 goals in the league they're like what that guy because you don't remember that the guy did it in the 70s or 80s

but i see when it comes to sydney crosby i see it when it comes to legends ovi and guys that they're they're now playing against but they've they've grown up watching there is an immense level of respect for these guys and I think it's a good thing You know it actually makes me feel good that you know sometimes as old people were like ah these young punks or whatever That hasn't been the case that I've witnessed. It's the exact opposite There's a level of respect out there that these guys are honored to play against him honored to play with him All of that type of stuff.

And it started with, from what I can remember, it started with McDavid. McDavid, I think a couple months ago was interviewed, said, who should be the captain? Right away he just goes, Sid. It's not even, he's the best player in the world. McDavid, right away he just said, Sid. Sid's the guy, not even thinking twice about it. That's the level of respect that Crosby carries you know and some of these veteran players. I guarantee you Victor Hedman's like that on team Sweden. Maybe Eric Carlson carries that type of cachet you know

the guys that have done a lot in the league and a more veteran presence. For sure and the reverence for Crosby of course well deserved and you heard the quote from Seth Jarvis he was asked what's been the coolest part of your experience so far and what do you think he said all sitting in the locker room talking to Sydney Crosby so I'm sure that's gonna be a very common theme and rightfully so jam-packed show James dot the will be in studio in about 10 minutes Patrick sharp who was part of the 2014 Olympic gold medal team for Canada remember that team they basically didn't allow a goal like the

most dominant defensive team in international hockey history so we're looking forward to catching up with Patrick who's with the Philadelphia Flyers now in a management role Darren Dreger's coming up Paul Jones coming up as well at 630 talk about annivers. The 25th anniversary of Vince Carter's iconic dunk back in 2000 is today. 25 years since that and they're celebrating it down at Scotiabank Arena tonight. The Raptors are hosting the Cleveland Cavaliers. So Paul Jones will be on the show in hour number three to discuss that. You're watching Overdrive on TSN4.

You're listening on TSN 1050, I'm Korolnik and for Hayes, that is Jamie McClennan, that's the O-Dog Jeff O'Neal, James Dutty coming up in moments. Overdrive is brought to you by FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score, Aaron Korolnik and for Brian Hayes with Jamie McClennan, Jeff O'Neal, head of Snowmageddon in southern Ontario, calling for 15 to 25. Yeah, driving the snow, stay off the road please. Might have to call the Army in again. Maybe.

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I mean, that's the you know, that's the underlying message to everybody. Well it's only naturally welcoming former weatherman back in Ottawa back in the day. James Duthey, the host of many things here at TSN. What's going on with the meteorological forecast, James? I never did the weather. Oh, I should know that. I consider myself your biographer. Come on dude, you got to know he was a weather man if you're gonna say welcome in the weatherman. I actually did the weather one night, actually my mom did the weather one night. I'll make this short story very quickly, but this is how old I am, the old tape days. And J.J. Clark, the weatherman, used to tape the late weather at 6 o'clock so we could go home when nothing was going on with the weather. And they erased the tape.

So I was in the newsroom and the anchor called me and said, James, you going on with the weather and they erased the tape. So I was in the newsroom and the anchor called me and said James you've got to get me the weather off like the ticker because they erased the tape and I got to do the weather in two minutes and I didn't know how to work the ticker back in the day. So do you remember like the cable channels in your city used to run like a remember there was a channel that like ran the news just in scrolling font and on the bottom it would run across the bottom Of the screen the weather but that's old man. Yeah We're talking

1992 or something I called my mom and I said mom you need to turn on Skyline cable and Give me the weather and she's like why it's wrong. Jamie Jamie What's going and I said you just need to get me the weather now mom and she's like okay it says 14 degrees how was your night at work? Mom I need the weather right now. So my mom gave me the weather and I relayed the weather to the anchor person who read the weather so that was the night my mom did the weather. There you go. That's all because some guy was lazy and wanted to tape it at 6 o'clock. Exactly.

Well I don't know how the weather is in Montreal, probably not as bad as it is here in Toronto, at least with the precipitation, but at least they have the big Four Nations faceoff kickoff tonight with the Canadians and the Swedes. What is your level of anticipation and excitement for this tournament? I was, you know, in the months leading up, I was kind of blah a little bit bit but I'm pumped. I'm really I'm like everybody else I just I'm pumped to see how they play together and you know it's the one thing I think is the most interesting is how it's it's the shortest tournament ever basically right like we talked about the Olympics is a

short tournament this is super short and whether they can click fast I did a little did a little research for you guys I was very impressed by ODogg's charting over the last few months on NHL games so ODogg I did a little charting on 2010 and 2014 the last two best on best because I just remembered Canada kind of starting slow in both of them. Mm-hmm So 2010 they play Norway the worst team in the tournament the first game. They win eight nothing By the way Crosby to a Ginla the first goal So there's a little little bookmark there nice Iggy gets a hat trick Second game they lose us or they win 3-2 over Switzerland in a shootout

Remember that really poor effort Crosby has to score in the shootout for them to win. Yes. So they were sketchy, then they lose to the US 5-3 in the next game and that's when the country was in a minor panic and it was after that game that on the bus ride over to Canada House, Babcock tells Luongo that it's his tournament and that he's going in for Brodeur and they kind of righted the ship from there, they had that great quarterfinal game against the Russians and go on to win the gold but you know kind of a shaky shaky start 2014 they play Norway in the first game three to one iffy iffy kind of

performance Shea Weber Jamie Ben drew Doughty with the goals Cruz over Austria was a crappy team then the rest of the way they beat Finland 2-1 in OT in the last round Robin game. Doughty gets both goals. They beat Latvia 2-1 in the quarters. Remember that Shea Weber has to score with seven minutes left to beat Latvia. And then 1-0 over the US and they beat the Swedes 3-0. So that's just a long-winded way of saying that in both those tournaments it took Canada sort of three or four games to really get going and in this tournament they don't have three or four games to really get going

and so I think that's the great equalizer for for Sweden tonight and so let me ask you this Jimmy if you were if we were gonna pull off a stunt on Sports Center tonight and tape it like your buddy did with the weather what would be your slam dunk tape Sports center hit that you think is going to happen tonight that's a good one uh... i don't you see i don't think you lead it off by oh dog they won six to what happened how did it happen like a nice crisis

yeah probably i'd say well that was sketchy at times but you know mcdavid mckinnon come through in the end this and on that's been i would be my best bet because i don't think it's going to be i don't think it's going to be lopsided that's just not the way these canadian teams of work starting off a tournament against a a good team like sweden i think it'll probably be a closer game than we we anticipate

so jimmy that's where we're talking about yesterday i brought it up in the last segment before he came on are we not giving sweden and finland uh... enough lava respect uh... you know of them being capable of in a short tournament with guys who've grown up together played together on many teams and stuff uh... a chance in this tournament yeah i think particularly the the fins and the i think people given swedes a chance in this tournament? Yeah I think particularly the the Finns I mean I think people given the Swedes a chance they're just Americans and Canadians obviously deserve to be the

favorites because of the rosters but just because of what I said you know if they're if a team like that 2010 team that was loaded and you know is beating Slovakia 3-2 on a late goal or whatever I think I think Luongo made a great save on Demetri with like 15 seconds left to preserve that win that just shows you that I think we get we all fall in love with staring at this roster and going oh my god this is unbelievable but I think particularly with Finland as we find out you know the World Juniors almost every year when the rosters far inferior

for the most part to Canada will have 17 first round draft picks on there, Finland will have two and what will happen, I mean this year they beat them but for the most part the Finns know how to play in a short tournament like this and know how to play together. So yes, I think that Finland could easily beat the Americans or the Canadians I think all of these games are going to be closer than we expect having said that now it'll be eight to one tonight and they'll look like an idiot. James Duthey our guest we were talking about how guys like Matthew Kachak and Jake Sanderson Crosby Doughty talked about the importance of them being at this tournament and I think with guys like Crosby, Doughty talked about the importance of them being at this

tournament and I think with guys like Crosby and Doughty in particular, they're the elder statesmen. They've been there before. They've won gold at the biggest stage for Canada. But the younger guys, I hone in on the Americans and the Canadians who are now the top players in the NHL, the Mathews and the Eichel and the Kachak boys and of course McKinnon and McCarr and Connor McDavid. I think there's an increased importance for these guys because they're representing their country at the biggest stage against their opposing best for the first time and I think that's why it means just a little bit more than we perhaps thought it might when this tournament was first

announced. It is crazy like to see some of these guys in the uniforms and know that they haven't done it since they were world juniors or whatever. The odd world championship, they get knocked out for a lot of these guys. But yeah, I think you're right. I wondered a few months ago if the effort level was... Just because, look, the playoffs are a couple of months away and you know, do you don't want to get hurt? Definitely the playoffs is there gonna be is it gonna be halfway between an Olympics and an all-star game kind of in the middle?

But I think you're probably right AK because of those guys who've never done this before they're gonna be they're gonna be super pumped No matter that it's a made-up tournament with a made-up trophy Jimmy where do you think Sid standing is to be when he's wrapped up as international and total career? Is he going to be up there with the highest regard of the Gretzky's and Mario's with all that he's won? I think he's won every championship available, hasn't he? The World Juniors, Olympics.

He's going to be like gods of one of the greats of Canadian hockey no well I think we're I'm not trying to give away for a I don't Mike Lane will get mad at me if I say this but some of our somewhere along the way maybe Trade Center I think we're doing a like a Mount Rushmore of hockey where you're gonna have to pick your is there four on Mount Rushmore there's four right until pros be's on this until Trump knocks you off and just makes a giant head of himself but um yeah so does he make you know is he the fourth best player he's probably not the fourth best player of all time but because of what you said oh I think just in stature maybe he belongs on there I

mean you're gonna have to get get some arguments with gordie howe or somebody like that but i just think the way the guy is revered by everyone in your scene it with all these canadian players playing with them that maybe uh... i think he will be i think he's top five player all time and the way he's considered a swear word to say that sydney crosby and i i don't want to be disrespectful here, like is it okay to say that Sidney Crosby was a

better player than Gordie Howe? Like is that allowed? Yeah I think you can say that. It is allowed, oh, but what'll happen is you get people that are old enough to have watched Gordie Howe or old enough to watch Bobby Orr. Yeah, that's a fair point, Jamie. Maybe people that have watched both say, no, he wasn't or no, he isn't. It's hard to... Impossible to compare. It is.

I have a tough time going from generation to generation as well because I talk to people that were old enough to watch Bobby Orr. To me, Bobby Orr was like McDavid in today's world skating around everybody. It was a video game where people back then didn't skate as well so all of a sudden Bobby Orr would be going end to end. I look at it, I have a tough time. What I feel like we should be doing is having a cut off and going, okay it was Bobby Orr and Gordie Howe up to this date and then from this date, it is these players. Yeah, but you know what people are like, Jamie.

They want like goat conversations and all-time greats. I know the one guy that knows all eras and he has a great perspective on all the different players and you guys know exactly who I'm talking about. Quizmaster? No. Oh yeah. Because he's biased. That's the problem. The Quizmaster, if he doesn't like your answer, he will change it or he'll find a way to talk

you into changing it just for the argument's sake. And that's the thing. He has his bias and they'll never change. That's why I feel like behind this Mount Rushmore, there's a ste... You know who? Standing there behind the curtain, I guarantee guarantee you maybe he wants to be on it quiz the quiz master would have bellow on there cuz that's always been his boy why is it my he loves the montreal i just i'd feel like a goalie should i

feel dominic has it should be on there i think dominic has it was the greatest colt enters ever played this game now you know i said can dryden they can say patrick wilde marty perderi you name it but i do i just look at it from you know has it was the best but this guy was in winning hearts and stuff that will leave with me when seven business seven best seven best that i don't want to misspeak you know a k

it's something like that yes do get it to look at our he's on it he's on it will get the exact stats that she here's a brought this thing up which of michael and kill me for uh... i would put gretzky mario bobby or in cross be on mine and and cross be would you can

probably argue i don't it's hard pretty hard to argue the other three uh... but you're right they will be gonna knock off in ten years when the other guy that's seven is gonna go on there but he could be I mean it depends what I don't know if he only let's say he doesn't win a cop or what you're right like I could I think Crosby McDavid's a better player than Crosby but what goes into your Mount Rushmore this is dark this gets gets into the MVP debate again, right? As to what's your definition of what should be on there. But I just think because of what you mention off the top, the way people revere Crosby in this country and around hockey and

the respect he has that for now he's getting chiseled up there in my book. Six Vezinas for Dominic Haschuk, according to the K-Map. I asked hearts too. Do we have any hearts? getting chiseled up there in my book six messiness for dominic hashing a coordinate in the south as hearts to be a cd definitely has hearts there there's no denying it but you think cross be of course the moment we remember more so than any in twenty ten in vancouver he was actually the mvp of the tournament in twenty sixteen as well the world cup of hockey or whatever they call that i don't think anyone remembers that because that term it was a little iffy but wouldn't it be an incredibly fitting not gonna call it end because I think he's still very likely

to be on the Olympic team next year Sid but if he was just to dominate this tournament win MVP lead Canada can you think of a better storyline than that James yeah that would that would be awesome I don't think it's gonna happen I I kind of wonder if Makar if this is his moment if this is his moment only because look he did it a couple years ago when they won the coppin He was amazing, but he still has that Colorado West Coast You know everybody in the East doesn't get to see him as much as they should and if he is clearly the best player on the ice Which I think he has the potential to be then this this might be the one where he where we leave the tournament and go potential to be then this this might be the one where he where we leave the tournament and go

Man, it's maybe it's a maybe it's an actual question as to whether he's right there with McDavid is the best player in the game You remember him in Buffalo at the World Juniors. He'd scored every shift and the coaching staff was like It was ludicrous. We can't trust the kid. He's a bit of a wild horse out there I was like, ah, he scores every time he's on the ice. Didn't he start as the seventh defenseman or something stupid? Yeah, he was. They put him out sporadically. Every time they put him out there, he scored a goal. They were like, no, we can't trust this kid. He's crazy out there. All he did was score goals. The next year, he's winning awards in the Stanley Cup. I'm like, man, they might have had that one wrong in Buffalo. Yeah.

Yeah. The other thing though is just like the whole goaltending thing, which I know you've talked about to death is, like I think it gets really real tonight. Like I think I saw, I was watching SportsCenter this morning and you know, they put up a font of Binnington's numbers and then you put it next to Hellebuck's numbers and that is, it's a little bit terrifying.

Yeah. Like Binnington's number like 13 and 20 with like an 897 save percentage and then Hellebuck is some ludicrous number. He's got almost as many shutouts as that. That's the part where I think it's, you know, maybe it won't play into it because it's only a few games and the defense is really good and Canada outscores the other guys. But statistically that is a bit of a terrifying comparison. I think we are, I mean everybody, it's the, it's not the elephant in the room, it

literally is the storyline heading into this because you know if somehow the goaltending for Canada doesn't hold up it's not only going to be a crease crisis, you know we we have to have a summit. What's going on? There's no goaltenders coming up. To me, where I think at Logan Thompson, who's 27 years old and should be up for a Vesna, he's just not there.

And I'm not sure if I'm believing the stories online saying that the coaching staff didn't like him or whatever. It was difficult. The bottom line is they didn't choose Logan Thompson, who is arguably been one of the best goal tenders on the planet this year. Well, Jamie, the biggest part about it is, as a country, we are so used to Marty Brodeur and

Carey Price. Roberto Alongo and Carey Price and Patrick Wa. Grant Feuer, Patrick Wa, we're so used, much like the center ice position, it's almost like we're used to the best guy at that position is a Canadian. And it's just not that now. It's actually not close to that. It hasn't been for a while.

The only defense I have of that is the goaltending has been good enough to win cups. And if you look at at I think it's Six or seven out of the last ten cup winners are Canadian goaltenders. So, you know, they're doing the job They're just it they don't come with the brand recognition. They just don't come you're right. It's not Marty Breder It's not Roberto Luongo. It's not Kerry Price. What you're getting is Aidan Hill You're getting you know is Brayton Holtby into Matt Murray into Darcy Kemper into a downhill like you you're getting guys that are winning cups and and being productive and being very good goalies they're just not superstar brands like the other guys and

and that's just the reality of it to be honest yeah they're coming though I mean this is probably a bad time to say this after they stunk up the world juniors and Canada lost in the quarters, but that Carter George and Ivan Kovac and a couple of other guys, there is a wave that is probably the best wave of junior goalies coming to the NHL within the next few years from Canada, but it's such a... Bob or Craig told you that. It's such a Craig. No's a great told you that it's such a crap no way in hell you know that it's called world junior prep

oh look at the chart remember the binder i had in front of me in the uh... world juniors when you would show up with a little tiny not even a notepad bob and i had like binders four hundred pages and oh there's this guy said i was with this guy at the world juniors and some guy tweeted, look at the difference between Bob and James and Cheryl's notes and then oh dog's notes. And then this guy doesn't defend me. He writes the guy back and goes, he doesn't even have anything, not even a piece of paper. It's all up there.

It's all up there. Exactly. You know what you're doing. You know how to repair. Yeah, he could have said they're all on his iPad, anything. paper all up there uh... there exactly know you're doing the panel they could have said they're all on his ipad anything he goes there's nothing actually there so that's what they got the cuts but you took that as a negative that's a compliment to you

yeah the fact that you don't need you know i need all the stuff in front of me you're you have just this unlimited source of information in your brain you're like yeah like an ilan musk type character the wealth of wealth of knowledge I mean Jimmy I brought it up to you and I want your opinion on it is there anybody who could you know turn their season around turn their career around in this tournament that you know might have a Renaissance kind of kind of thing I brought up one name. I'll throw in that's Eric Carlson

Who's you know yeah, so that's that's a really good name I mean dropped off most of the guys on here have pretty good Like there's not a lot of guys on here who haven't or having garbage seasons, right? Because that's that's why they're on this all of these teams as you look at that that's the best example right there probably uh... what about a jordan what if that that you can attend i was just gonna say what if jordan bennett stands on his head and i like this is a layup you're missing a layup what if which partners the best player

in the tournament i don't think i would shock us with that talk is i don't but it's a big stage it'll be a playoff type environment and he can say everybody calm down i know how to perform under these circumstances so just take a lap and i'm gonna bring it again in the playoffs i would say mark stone and that sounds like a dumb answer to because mark stones are in the league but i think a lot of people have forgotten same deal plays in vegas hurt so much over the last few years that

i think that maybe we forgotten how great he can be when he's healthy and you know maybe he has a chance to be spectacular in a tournament like this playing with McKinnon and Crosby. I mean look at your Sens team Jimmy like if they had Mark Stone still there with those young kids what? It's not my team. You're from Ottawa. You're from Ottawa. Alright I mean I'll represent the city, but... If they could have... and not everything works out when you keep the band together, but if Carlson stayed and Nick Paul stayed and Mark Stone stayed, who the hell knows what kind of team you'd have there? The most embarrassing part of that tenure was when Dorian came up on the day that mark stone was traded and said this is one of the

i i don't know miss quoting here so i don't know that i had strong they got brandstrom from mark stone and he said this is what one of the greatest days in franchise history something like i said probably terribly misquoting but it was something along those lines and that's just well brett's up and i thought everybody knew at the time brent's from wasn't that great a prospect yeah i i mean he you know on the back knew at the time Brandstrom wasn't that great a prospect. Yeah, I mean, he, you know, on the back end you want trees, not shrubs, and he's a smaller

guy, right? Yeah. The one thing I will say though, the Eric Carlson trade, that's Stutzla, that's Josh Norris. That was a good trade. That was a really good trade. Like, you look at what they got out of that whole trade as far as picks, if you follow the trail of picks and prospects they got out of that whole trade as far as picks. If you follow the trail of picks and prospects

they got out of that, pretty impressive. I think that's part of the core of their team. I do believe Stootsla, is it Ridley Gregg with one of the picks too? Like I can't remember, but that one draft, he had three first rounders, and he took Stootsla, Sanderson, and Ridley Gregg and all three of them have a line for this.

That's a hell of a trade, I don't care. Who cares about the guy that's in the Federal League? That's a good trade. That was a great trade. James, great to see you, thank you for coming in. It must be pleasant being back from New Orleans entering this snow hellscape that we have here in Southern Ontario.

So, welcome home. It's gonna be a night. Well, drive safe yeah we should uh... we should do a live show on the commute home with uh... long long show all over your coming in right over are you you come in at some point yeah i've been added i'm leaving here my house at six o'clock

to get there for a public as a bring the stuff that i got uh... for you from the super bowl i'll bring the stuff that I got for you from the Super Bowl. I'll bring it in. You better have something. He asked you for stuff. You better have something. It's a different size this year. It's a large and you better have something. I didn't get anywhere near that store. Nowhere near. I came in late. I came in midway through the week. I would have gotten you a hoodie. I was surprised I didn't get the annual text that I get every year, AK, that says, give me the hoodie that Jalen Hurts is wearing right now at his press conference. I'm not paying.

Wait till you see the stunt I pull when I get to Montreal. I'm going to go see if I know any of the trainers for Team Canada and I want a duffel bag loaded full of like large stuff. Like give me it all. Hoodies, shorts everything a sweatsuit a hat all of it stuff it in a bag what player would would be your size now like are you in a like a Brandon Hagel Colton Pareko type size what do we got here I think me and Sid I'm a large up top I'm a large t-shirt yeah Wow It's probably an extra like he's got the biggest ass and like trunks same frame ever seen same frame say guys and I say everything Couple athletes Jeff O'Neil and Sydney Crosby James. Thanks for coming in. Thanks, buddy. That's James Dutty from TSN Patrick Sharp in 20 minutes overdrive continues TSN for in TSN 1050

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