OverDrive - OverDrive - February 3, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 3 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insider Chris Johnston joins to discuss J.T. Miller's deal to the Rangers, Elias Pettersson's role with the Canucks and the Maple Leafs aiming for a center. They also discuss Myles Garrett requesting a trade from the Browns, the conditioning of Luka Doncic, Rory McIlroy winning at Pebble Beach and Bryan gives his FanDuel Best Bets.

. Light on the music stories and culture that inspire us all black history is our history celebrate with us Listen on the free IR radio app final hour overdrive Continues powered by fan duel bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score Brian a co. Dog Jeff O'neil Jamie noodles mclennan our best bets later in the hour only got one game in the NHL tonight You missed this assignment a noodles Ottawa Nashville tonight that one hurts. I knew that's bets later in the hour. We only got one game in the NHL tonight. You missed this assignment, eh, Noodle? So Ottawa and Nashville tonight? That one hurts. I knew it was. That's a kick in the pills, man.

It hurts my heart, guys. Like, honestly, like, I had a buddy text me this afternoon and go, are you, are you gooned already? And I was like, what? Like, I, I, and he goes, aren't you in Nashville? And I go, no, I think it's a Monday. Isn't it a prime game? It's a prime game tonight, yeah, absolutely. So I mean. Prime came in and jacked up your dreams. Dude, you should have just made up an excuse

and said I have to, I'm on radio today. I'm doing the call on radio. Right. Yeah, do some recon, just fly into Nashville and just be sitting there. I'll do it for, what if I did the show from Legends in the corner, just sitting there? Be fined by us, why not? I mean, there's only from Legends in the corner just sitting there? That'd be fine by us.

Why not? I mean there's only one game in the NHL and Ottawa is red hot. They are red hot right now. It's a good scene if you're an Ottawa Senator fan. Well you know they got a little, well you can go back. On the weekend everything fell together against Minnesota. I didn't like that Hartman hit. That was greasy man.

I don't know if you saw that i think you're going to toss the book at him for that man he's a greasy player man he is he is but it just was like dude that's that's kinda greasy man like i don't know if you tack on a couple of greasiness is that the dvd or something or something like that but he's done stuff off the draw before right like he's not

yeah i i stuck some ice dick somebody he had a greasy play against the oilers this year nevington was beat in the month about two minutes left he he pushed like he was uh... evan bouchard was trying to go back and he pushed him into the net and bouchard and i believe in the game it was a greasy move. He's a grease ball this guy. But he's the type of guy you're like God I you know but then you're like well I kind of would take him on my team he's a pretty good player too. Guys I was joking about Lindy

Ruff but didn't something happen in Buffalo yesterday where Lindy Ruff was outraged somebody hit like Tage Thompson. Well Tageage Thompson got smugged. Oh, that was a bad hit. That was a bad hit. Lindy was like, well, I guess a couple guys could have got him, but they didn't. And then guys on the team were saying, we didn't see who did it. So for everybody that says only Toronto Maple Leaf fans outrage about not responding, they're pretty pissed in Buffalo, I think.

Yeah, he was having flashbacks to Looch each running over Ryan Miller right He rocked us the head coach back then and that was like a massive massive story and Well, Looch each is a different animal where you're like Okay, the only chance you got is if you break your stick across the back of his legs, right? But that one kind of warranted it like he he bare it Miller was out of his net But he did not slow down or try to help people out there now what are you gonna do haze if you're the d you're not here yet uh... probably what you just said it's a it's a chop

hack and grab charles heart as you can and then act like the guy beside you did it right it's not a drop of gloves and that's not right stuff so so i don't know you break your stick on and you wait for the linesman to get in and then you act like you're going, like you gotta have, like it's a pile, it's a dog pile, you get on top of him. That's what I would do. There's a guy in Buffalo that makes the most hilarious banners.

Like he hangs banners online. This one says, they saw the guy that hit Thompson but they didn't do anything about it and it's like in a banner form in the odd. Like they're Buffalo, because they're not obviously a great team this year, but he makes these banners for them. It's just, it's crazy. Yeah, it's not a good look, man. Like I saw, there were, like a lot of people were on about it last night.

I think Barnaby was tweeting about it. I think Matthew, and you know, he would have reacted. He would have come in flying, obviously, back in the day. Rob Ray, dude. Exactly. And it's not that era, you know, we're not playing in that era anymore, not living in that era, but like Buffalo's season is gone. They're awful again. Tage Thompson's been red hot recently and he got clipped last night and no one did anything about it Which means the next time they play someone will it'll be a fight off the draw or whatever

They'll figure out who did what like like that Cooley hit on Patrangelo last night That was out of the biggest hits I've ever seen in my life. That's crazy That was like launched into him and it was like I thought Petro was like, okay, I move the puck, there's no trouble, no foul around here. And this guy just said, I am going to run you through the boards. It was unreal. Do you remember, remember the hit Dustin Buffland had on the wall, somebody was Buffland? And then Dion had one, I think it was on Mark Stone, Faneuph on Stone along the wall.

Like there's been some big hits along the, in the league and over the years Scott Stevens. Buffaloon too. Buffaloon got stone along the wall. Oh, Buffaloon had a couple guys that he. Murdered people. He got a couple guys, man. There was one that won, that famous one, PK on Marchand when Marchand was coming down the wing

and PK stepped in and just buried it. But guys, that begs the bigger question. Like, are we in a league now where a coach is telling the guys to, you know, four-check heavy and finish your checks. And if you do, you got to fight somebody. That's one aspect about the game. I don't understand. Like I used to label guys.

I used to hit tough guys. I didn't have to fight people. Like I find it crazy, man. You hit somebody, you got to fight. That's just the way they do business now. I find it crazy, man. You hit somebody, you got to fight. That's just the way they do business now. I find it crazy. It's a different world now. But Jamie, look at that kid.

Coolie hit Petro Angelo. It's like, OK, you had your head down. I hit you. As soon as he turns around, he's got to fight somebody. I do not agree with that aspect. He actually turned around and knew it was coming. But he's like, I just destroyed. You're right.

But I think in an era where, you know, Petrangelo, he would either handle it himself or his teammates to stand in, like there was just more accountability or there were just more big hits and guys would be like, I'll take care of this myself. The hits aren't, how many big hits have we seen this year, period? You can count on one hand type of thing where it was you know every night in the league. And I do think you have to consider maybe the player in this, oh there's the buffling hit on stone and then they all, is that Danny Heatley coming in flying? I thought that was Smith, Zach Smith.

Okay, Zach Smith, that would make sense. Wasn't Danny Heatley, no chance, he was 15. That's the guy who break his stick over you. Yes, Zach Smith would have happily done that but like Petrangelo is one thing, Thompson, Yeah, he's like, no chance. He was 15. That's the guy who break his stick over you. Yes. Zach Smith would have happily done that. But like, Patrangelo is one thing. Tage Thompson's their star and their team stinks. I think it's circumstantial.

If you hit Matt Rempey or something, then no one's flying in. But if you hit Patrangelo. Well, as a coach, you're thinking, where are your heads at, man? Yeah. You guys even care about anything? That's the thing, right? And I think that's what lindy ruff is disappointed about here's uh... chris johnston art tsn hockey insider

did you see those hits yes i'm sure you did cj and what do you make a lindy ruff kind of not overly happy about his own team not fighting for tase thompson i i i get it i mean what buffaloes looking for something to rally around. That organization has been questioned in a lot of ways. I mean, I think in, you're right, today's game just is not, it's not the same sport that that O played in or, you know, when noodles was in the league and just with the physicality specifically.

But, you know, I think Buffalo's looking to have a lunch bucket kind of team and and that isn't a lunch bucket kind of response I think it's it's that simple it's about quite honestly I think that message is a message to the fans I think it's about business you know more than anything that the team's business interests and you know obviously they've taken a lot of heat in that market I've been following Mike Harrington you know one of the columnists down there from afar, and he's just been teeing off on them over this. So I can understand why they're getting some heat,

I guess, in that situation. Yeah, well, that's the problem. In the market, everyone hates the team. Like, that's the reality. Everyone hates the team. They're looking for a reason to hate them even more. And, you know, this would be an example of that, I guess. But yeah, there's, I mean, Everyone hates the team. They're looking for a reason to hate them even more. This would be an example of that, I guess.

There was a lot of movement over the weekend. I guess we'll begin Friday night. JT Miller eventually ends up in New York. He had always been connected to the Rangers. It always felt somewhat like a foregone conclusion. That's where he would end up. They get Hedl, a young defenseman, and a pick that's protected. Did Vancouver get enough here in your opinion, or did they back themselves into such a corner

that it just wasn't possible for them to get a lot? Yeah, I think it's more the latter there. When you're trading a player who had a hundred point season last year, and you look at that return, like if you just were to take those two facts, I mean, it's hard to, to argue they got enough in this trade, but you know, we've all seen what's happened over the last six, seven, eight weeks in that market with that team. I mean, they're not in a playoff spot right now. And, and you know, it's pretty evident that the, you know,

everything that's gone on there behind the scenes and you know, I can't profess to even know the half of it but you know we know enough to know that it hasn't been very pretty is is you know really taking a toll on everybody and so I think ultimately the Canucks just got to a spot where they felt they needed to to make a deal for Miller um you know the Rangers was a place you know this was a player of the full no movement closet that he was comfortable going uh the Rangers was a place, you know, this was a player of the full no movement closet that he was comfortable going. Uh, the Rangers have been interested, as you mentioned, he's even really going back years.

Chris jury has an interest in bringing JT Miller back to New York, but you know, this season there's been a couple previous attempts to get the deal done. And you know, ultimately, I think from Vancouver's end, the fact they get that first round pick and they're able to parlay it into some other players, uh, and you know, they didn't have to retain any salary was enough that they get that first round paper they're able to parlayed into some other players uh... and you know they did not retain any salary was enough that they felt that they had to move i mean but but clearly vancouver's banking on some addition by subtraction here guess what the next element of this is going to be if you say what's

Vancouver do next i think they're out there looking for a center could even though they got one in philippino mean that's not a player of course even in the short term that's replacing j t no in the lineup so cj d either ranted in trade craig conroy make some moves and now and the j t miller do you sense that it just the dominoes have fallen now and all hell's gonna break loose before the four nations i mean it feels like all hell has break broken loose already mean the we've had

some pretty big moves here you know and they're not all sort of traditional deadline moves. I mean obviously the Sharks trade on the weekend, that's with the Stars, that's a traditional deadline move. A good team is loading up trading a first round pick and getting some rental players to their lineup. But you know a lot of the other trades you saw like the Flames Flyers move or JT Miller, Rantin, I mean there's a lot of layers to that onion. And, you know, I'd been hearing that there would be almost like two kind of trade deadlines this year, you know, that the period before the Four Nations,

and then obviously the two weeks after leading into the actual deadline and that, you know, that ended up kind of coming true. And so, you know, we'll see if there's a bit more action this week. I certainly think by the time we get to that Four Nations break, we're less we'll see if there's a bit more action this week. I certainly think by the time we get to that four nations break, we're less likely to see trades, you know, basically for the 10, 12 days of that

tournament. And then it's going to be a sprint to March 7th when we get on the other side of it. CJ circling back on the JT Miller situation in Vancouver, where do you think their current like, or what do you think their current opinion of Pederson is because they've got until July 1st and then I believe the no movement clause kicks in or whatever to no trade like after that there's there he's staying in van or wherever he wants to stay so where do you think their

assessment of him is right now well they're not happy with him you know it's you pay the player that the kind of contract they gave him last March and you know its production is has fallen off a cliff and so you know I think the Canucks are going to be somewhat patient here you know let him try to find you know the level of play that basically earned him that contract but you know I don't know how long that that that patience will extend. I mean, certainly this is a team trying to get into the playoffs now. Um, and they expect Pederson to be a frontline top of the lineup guy for them to help drive that. Now he hasn't been that player of the season.

I don't know how reasonable it is to expect them just to flip a switch. Now that JT Miller has no longer sharing a work environment with them. But it's fair to say that Canucks have been disappointed with Pedersen, with his level of performance this year, and they're hoping that this is something that can energize them. Because ultimately they went at least far enough down the road with multiple teams to have multiple discussions on a Pedersen deal. I mean, at one point there was a decision, is it Pedersen or Miller that's being traded? Ultimately, they kept the younger player, also the higher ceiling player, maybe certainly the higher paid player. And so, you know, he's going to have to

start performing at some point, or we might be talking about him being traded out of town. But I don't think that'll be in the near term. Oh, I think really they they're gonna see what he can give them here over the balance of the season and reassess when they get towards the summer. Well how complicated could that be a deal featuring Pettersson with the amount of money he's making and you know let's call it as we see it and it's just a reality. The last 12 months have been a disaster for the guy. He's not playing anywhere close to his contract value. Somebody thinks they can turn him around though, Hazy. Yeah, I guess.

It just seems like it'd be complicated to how many teams would be willing to take him on. I know the cap's going up, but I think there's more pressure on him than maybe any other individual player in the league right now, CJ, to prove his worth. He's the highest paid player on the team team and he's got to be responsible for getting that team back on the right track. And if he doesn't do it, I could see Vancouver trying to flip him. For sure. I mean, I think that's all fair. Your assessment there of him, you know, bearing

that pressure. I mean, he's on like a 60 point pace right now, you know, for a guy among the top paid forwards in the league, you know, someone who has previously had 100 point seasons and consistently anyway been sort of a 90 point type of score, you know, to earn that deal. You know, and the issue with with Pederson, I think, is just like if you're trading him, what are you getting back? I mean, if you JT Miller for not quite equal value which we believe they already did and then you know you're trading Pettersson and under these circumstances I mean I can't imagine the return looking too good. You're only a couple years away from Quinn Hughes being out of a contract. I mean the Canucks don't want to go into a

rebuild. What they did is they made a bet on this core and and it's it's blown up in their faces. I mean they thought a team with JT Miller, Pedersen, you know, Quinn Hughes at the center of it, you know, getting paid the front line money, you know, in addition to Demko and some of the other players that have in the organization, was good enough to, you know, eventually maybe win a cup. And obviously last year was good enough for them to win their division to get deep in the second round, have a chance to eliminate the Oilers, you know, fail to do that. But now, I don't know where they're going to turn.

I think clearly the best solution is hoping this changes because this is not a good situation when you have a 60-point guy at Pedersen's age and stage of his career making $11.6 million on a cap. It's just not the right time to trade them and get value back. With Chris Johnston, our TSN Hockey Insider, so we were breaking here on CP2 for 1050 that I guess the tariffs have been delayed for 30 days, CJ, and maybe that means the booing will stop for the national anthems being played on both sides of the board or moving forward. What is your understanding of how committed the league is to playing the national anthems?

You know, has there ever been any thought or discussion to just get them out of the sport? We haven't previously heard any real discussion that way. I mean, obviously, you hear it brought up from time to time among fans or maybe in this environment, but in terms of anyone with the power to make that decision, like I've never even heard that really debated behind the scenes. You know, it didn't seem like the NHL was too concerned about, you know, the, the, the few cases we had over the weekend, you know, where this happened

in Canadian arenas, you know, I think there was, there was going to be a lot of focus and probably still be a lot of focus on the four nations, uh, tournament, you know, which gets going next week. And you've got that Saturday game, February 15th, the Four Nations tournament, you know, which gets going next week and you've got that Saturday game February 15th, Canada, US, you know, could be one where it crops up. I don't know if this Tariff News, you know, tonight will change that in terms of how fans are feeling but I mean, you know, I suppose if this got big enough you probably, the debate that the conversation has to happen but, you know, really in my time around the league,

which has been a pretty long time at this point, I've never heard any meaningful push to get rid of anthems. And obviously at an international tournament like the one that starts next week, I mean, buying the anthem is a big part of that and I expect that to continue. Well, exactly.

I mean, it is obviously separate with international tournaments and all that, yet it's been a part of the sporting landscape my whole life. Like I've never, you go to any sporting event, it's natural, it comes with the whole program and the whole experience. Leafs in Calgary tomorrow, I guess Mitch Marner didn't skate today, uncertain if he'll play tomorrow. Do you have any understanding of what's going on with him?

No, I don't have any clarity on what he's dealing with. I mean, obviously you get the stage of the season, you know, a lot of guys are weathering a lot of sort of different injuries but, you know, it's certainly based on practice there. It looks like there's a chance he misses that game and, you know, I don't know on this program which which may believe we're more concerned about but obviously something hockey can do. We'll have to keep an eye on, you know know if Mitch Marner is out injured because he's a big part of what they're expecting at the Four Nations but you know the fact you finished the game in Edmonton you know I've not heard

anything that that suggests this is a major issue certainly the Leafs and Craig Borubey today didn't seem to be playing it up too much so wish I had a little bit more for you in terms of something tangible, but it does seem like more of a minor body maintenance kind of issue than something that's hitting the alarm bells. So have you heard any rumblings behind the scenes? You even don't have to name the player, but of any other players on the fence to maybe withdraw from the four nations based off based on either their age or maybe being nicked up, you know, what are we a week and a half away from it

type of thing? I have not, Nudel, I mean, even Alex Patranjo, I think that there was an ongoing discussion there, you know, even, you know, that would be announced to basically a week or eight days ago that he was out for Canada, but I don't think that took the Canadian team by surprise. I mean, if anything, it seems like players are trying to get back to play. I mean, you've had Jonas Brodin, who's meant to play for the Swedish team, has been out of Minnesota's lineup for a while. He's hoping to get back in here this week and play in that tournament.

I think the Transyl situation was unique. If anything, quite honestly, it seems like the players really want to get there if they absolutely can and so you know I think any other new names that that you know crop up in the next week or so that that end up being out of that tournament will just be because their injuries and or the physical situation doesn't allow the guys to go because you know certainly for the younger players in the league as much as the rest of us are thinking think, and what is this tournament? There's no history, it's a limited field, all those things.

I do think a lot of the players say 30 and down, which is most of the tournament when you look at the rosters. I mean, these guys are pretty anxious to play for their countries. In terms of the trades that are happening, we haven't even mentioned the Grandland and CC deal going to Dallas over the weekend. With the Maple Leafs, it seems like there's so much focus on third line center, third

line center, third line center. Is that still your understanding, CJ? If so... They like a third line center. They love a third line center up here. How would you handicap the chances that they actually acquire that piece? Well, I think it's still pretty likely and certainly that seems to be the focus of the organization.

I think they'd like to get a defenseman, you know, sort of depth player at minimum as well, you know, sometime before March 7th. I mean, the issue for teams like the Leafs, and it's not just them, is they don't fully know who's available. I mean, Dallas was the rare sort of, you know, team in a situation like the Leafs where they went out and made their deal now. That's purely driven by the fact they have a whole bunch of injuries. Miro Haysken ends out, they lost Neil Lundquist for the season, Mason Marshman's been out of their lineup, Sagan's

already done for the regular season. So Jim Dale just elected to, you know, take one of the sure things. Obviously, San Jose is one of the few true sellers in the league. Get Michael Grandlin and get Cody Cece in there now. Most teams, whether it's at the top of the standings or in a position that are operating like the Leafs, they don't yet know what the trade market looks like. There's so much, there's just a lack of separation there. I think the sense I'm getting from teams like the leases, they're trying to sort out who's actually available.

What are we choosing between, you know, when you're making that decision, say, for a third line center, you know, you want to make it understanding exactly what the options are. And so, you know, the truth is, I don't think those trades will happen until some point after Four Nations. And I think that's where a lot of the traditional buyers and sellers will get their business done is at the end of February and that first week of March. Yeah, and then I guess the follow-up is how comfortable they are with giving up assets, which is a discussion we have every year with this team because for nine years now, it's

been first round pick this, first round pick that, second round pick, third round. They don't have many picks and You know, they've got mitten they've got Cowan I'm sure there's other prospects through other teams would have their eye on but how comfortable do you think the Maple Leafs are in? in being all in quote unquote this season It's you like they have to be quite honestly I mean just given the uncertainty about uncertainty about where Mitch Marner's contract is going to be at or how that situation is going to resolve itself.

I mean, there's a lot of big question marks about this organization's direction, I'd say, beyond this season. Just how you even got John Tavarez, who's obviously still an important offensive contributor for the Leafs at this stage. And you got this rising cap. I mean, I think around the league, there's probably less certainty pretty much for every team just because, you know, finally the cap is going to be supercharged. But, you know, players are going to have different expectations in terms of what they're paid with that. And so, you know, with the league kind of being wide open the season too, I just think at all points to a year where the Leafs have to go in aggressively.

I think that's their, their mindset. We'll see what, you know, what limitations they end up having with the salary cap, which obviously, you know, in the, in the very near term, in terms of making deals before March 7th, we'll have a say. Um, but I, I think he just, you put those assets on the table and you live with the fallout. I mean, as you mentioned, they don't even have a first round pick this year. So if they end up trading at first, it's likely going to be their 2026 pick. And, and, you know, that's how teams trying, trying to go for it year after

year after year, typically operate. And that's what I expect from the Leafs. All right, CJ, we'll leave it there. Thank you for doing this. All right, boys have a good night. Chris Johnston, our TSN hockey insider. Yeah. Alright boys, have a good night. Chris Johnston, our TSN Hockey Insider. Yeah, I mean that's, I do think this season it does feel like the East again is wide open. I think that's why Carolina did what they did.

I think you'll see other teams. I think that's why the Rangers still feel like they're in it. You know, they're like, they're not even in the playoffs. Like as of right now, Tampa, Boston and the Rangers are all outside of the playoffs. It's crazy. Columbus is in, Ottawa is in, Detroit is in. Detroit did it again last night, beating Vancouver in overtime. Detroit's battled back into the playoff race.

They're in a playoff spot right now. They were out of it. It wasn't about a month ago. It was like, well, Coach Paz and Clowen. Yeah, the coach bumped, but I mean, they've been really good. I'm concerned about Columbus that Marchenko now had, I think, had surgery today, broken jaw. Like now they're getting nicked up. Like that might be a team. But again, at the start of the season, we didn't pick them to be there. Allenders picked up a point. They don't lose though. Like right

now they're in it too, man. So remember the other day I said it was ten teams that were ten point ten points apart I think it's nine now that Montreal slid down so if you go leaf 64 down to the Rangers 64 I think there's nine teams there within ten points of each other there's your five games right there it's crazy yeah however you want to slice it guys you got've got to admit like it's exciting to watch coming down the stretch. People complain about parody, this and like that. Like for these fan bases to be in it and who knows what comes of it, but it's kind of exciting coming down the stretch, is it not?

Yeah, this is what the NHL dreams of, man. You've got all these different fan bases that now they're going to show up and they're're gonna buy tickets and they're gonna watch games because It might break your way Yeah, it might and might not and and the other side the West is I mean it's I think it's two teams for one spot Really? Yeah, Calgary and van that are battling and you know van I I thought there was some under the radar They picked up Pettersson there from Marcus better. Yeah. Yeah, like he's he's a nice player like they know Connor. Yeah, that O'Connor works hard. And like, like I said, I think what they're trying to do is, is pivot on the fly. But, you know, the one thing out of all of this that we haven't focused on that much. And,

you know, CJ brought it up. How about a lace Pedersen play better? You know what I mean? Like now there's no more excuses. Like there's no, you know, what's going on or whatever. Like, like JT Miller's gone if there was a rift or whatever. And I know he didn't speak about it after the game the other night. He said, I don't want to get into it. I just want to move on and play. Well, you're going to have to play really well because that's, they're paying him a lot of money. And I want to hear honestly a media comment or how we conducts himself it's a big thing for me

like if he comes out and his shoulders are down and he just looks pissy and it's like I don't want to talk about that I don't want to talk about my contract I don't want to talk about my production that's all I've heard from the guy for a year it's time to man up and play and play damn good because you're a damn good player Like his interviews and it's not all about the interviews. It's all about the on ice production But he just looks like he's so pissy for a year straight Stop being pissy and play. That's it. That's all you got to do guys the highest-paid player of the team, dude

I've loved the guy's skill set for for years i've talked about it for years and watching him over the last year i'm like what on earth is gotten into this guy so now the other guys out the door you better play and i'm concerned he was left the game the other night came back and he was labor and that's a scary scary down for them this he's been unreal like and well that's it man i mean

it's one of those scenarios where obviously the focus has been on miller and peterson but all of it and understandably so yet it's it's allowed other things that have not been great to kind of the shuffled under the carpet so to speak not in the market in mancouver they're all over everything clearly

but like that go has been hurt all year or when he has played he hasn't been great you know like that's that's a big part of the reason why they're struggling you know like Kevin Lankton it's been really good but that you can't rely on him to play 55 games or if he's going to you're probably gonna be in a fight for your lives yeah you know like that's just a reality and Hronik was certain they made some decisions on the point that maybe they made wrong decisions in terms of who to keep, who to let go, etc. And yet it's been all hyper-focused on Pedersen and Miller and now that distraction seemingly is gone. Well, they've got 30 games to figure it out here because if not, man, you're going

to waste a serious, serious opportunity. But yeah, like I don't know. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. Elias Pettersson is still a Vancouver Canuck on July 1st. Not even close. Not even close. Wow. He keeps playing like this, man, and they miss the blast or they make it.

He's awful. I don't know. They may just say, we got to cut bait on the whole thing and restart It's dangerous. How are they gonna cut bait on him after July 1st? Well, that's what I just said I don't think it's a lock. He gets to July 1st Oh, I'm saying they were just watching like a hawk for a month here. Absolutely Yeah, absolutely like if you're not breathing easier and playing well and looking great, you know, it's not bait Yeah

you might have to you might have to, and it'd be, it'd be a tough pill to swallow because he didn't get much from it. Like he does, he doesn't find player. He's not a superstar. He said injury problems that concussion issues, he'd, which is concerning. Um, you know, you got a pick that's protected. The Rangers protected the picks. So if the, if it's top 13 this year, you don't get it. That's what happens when you know you got to move a guy out of a locker room and you

just get pushed into a corner and it's like, I guess we'll take that. Yeah. Well, we judge it too. The best player, you look at, the best player in a trade is usually they're like, oh, they won that trade, right? JT Miller's the best player in the trade by far. Absolutely. When he's on his game, the guy stuck like he's a really really good player and

That being said I want to see the body of work what they do With either the space or the people they bring in you know it addition by subtraction people are saying in Vancouver You take the mess out of the dressing room. Maybe guys flourish, so let's see if that happens yeah let's see man I don't know you're you're trying to do that on the fly right this season and the thing is about the West LA is not out of the woods either like LA's only got 60 points they got games in hand but Calgary and Vancouver share a division with them Calgary is a point back of LA you know yeah yeah so maybe you got to maybe got that second wild card and the third seed, you know, I would probably bet on LA figuring it out.

But maybe there's two spots. Maybe they're both good. You're right. Games played is big in that, but you're right. Like right now, Calgary's one point back, but LA's got two games in hand. Right. You know, I just, I think that separation is really where it's at St. Louis, but we look at it and it's just that five games, I keep coming back to it.

Five good, five bad, it's going to have a big effect on how you operate. It makes it interesting. That's the reality of it here is Anaheim had some wins and they're kind of like they're out of it here is, you know, Anaheim's had some wins and they're kind of, you know, like they're out of it. No, I understand it. I'm saying, but a lot of those teams, Anaheim, Seattle, Nashville, Chicago, San Jose, like, you know, to end up where they are, they're talking 70 in the seventies for points, they're going to get wins, right? And what they're going to do is take wins off of people who really need it. That's the biggest challenge, right? I'll bet you this guy in Utah is not gonna,

he's gonna sit, these guys miss, although they're still the Arizona Coyotes, he's gonna say, okay guys, what the hell are we doing here? Well, both his teams stink, man. The Jazz are horrendous. Like, he's got two teams, everyone's like, Utah, man, Utah, Utah.

It's like, all right. What do you make of the leaked? I don't know. Is that the leaked photos or the leaked potential logos for Utah? Is it the man? I mean, they look all right. Mammoth and outlaw. The outlaws one look exactly what we were mocking on Friday.

It's going to be a cowboy hat and a mustache. Like everyone does the exact same thing. Well, the guy's got a mask. He got a COVID mask on instead. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, it's a bandana over his face or whatever. That's an outlaw. Yeah, OK, I got it.

There it is. I think the mammoth one looks pretty. The mammoth looks like Chewbacca. It looks all right, though. I can get down with mammoth. I think that's pretty good. All right, best bet still to come. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 out on the TSN out. All right, Super Bowl week down in New Orleans. We're gonna have picks later in the week. We're gonna have Luke come on.

We're gonna have a lot of people coming on from New Orleans and every incredible playoff moment on TSN is powered by Bud Light, a refreshing taste that's easy to enjoy. Tune in game day for pulse-pounding action. How about Miles Garrett asking for a trade out of Cleveland as well? Are you surprised? No, but it's sickening if you're a Browns fan, man. Like this guy has, he's, he's the most disruptive defensive player in football. He has been for years. First overall pick.

And it all comes back to the Deshaun Watson deal. It just screwed up everything and now this guy is going public saying, I'm out. I want out. It doesn't mean they're going to trade him. Looking back on it, you didn't think that the Deshaun Watson transaction was going to lead to all of this. Everybody must have been jack Jack saying, players included saying we've got a guy that can take us to wherever we want to go.

Nobody expected all of this nonsense. I mean, the guy, there was some red flags, I think we can all agree on with Deshaun Watson, but on the field play in Houston, the guy was elite. He was a really good player. It's just never translated and now he's injured again and all the dead money and they never win. It's just a nightmare. If I'm the Buffalo Bills, I'm calling Cleveland saying, write out what the trade is. What is it? Multiple first round picks, third round pick, a player on the roster. Tell me what I need to give you because Miles Garrett, this is the Reggie White trade

all over again, like the Packers went out, got Reggie White, they won a Super Bowl, what was it, a year later, two years later? Guy is the best edge rusher in football, he's an absolute machine. 29 years old, it's gotta be a team that's within a two or three year window here, cause he is 29, he's not a rookie or anything like that.

But it's like every league wants in on this, right? three-year window here because he is twenty nine he's not you know rookie or anything like that but it's it's like every league wants in on this right every week of back and say we actually have no i'd no intention of moving in they could they have a monitor contract i think that's what their stance was i'd that's twitter and i don't know what reports to believe or not but there was one i saw a bunch for their like we we have no intention of moving this player well and the player becomes disruptive and oh you're asking for it if you don't move the player but same thing as Fox I'd be

like you're not gonna go where you want to go well exactly and to my knowledge he hasn't requested any specific team that he wants to go to but you know he's not showing up for OTAs you know he's not showing up for OTAs, you know he's not going to show up for camp you know it's going to be a whole, like it's just going to turn into a mess um... yeah and Cleveland is a mess anyway so I understand why they're probably thinking we gotta at some point stop the bleeding here like their whole team is Miles Garrett in that defense

and Hayes it like people always say it is a business. And this guy, the season ended and he probably sat with friends, his agent, whoever he deals with and he's like, your business, the Myles Garrett business needs to get away from the Cleveland Browns. Like just for your own brand. Like you need winning involved with your name, possibly a Super Bowl to enhance your business. Like the business of being a Cleveland Brown sucks. It's awful. Yeah, it's awful. It is.

When is it going to happen in Buffalo where players are like, it's already happened in years past, but like Jack Eichel was like, being a Sabre right now is bad for Jack Eichel business. So I'm taking it somewhere else and it sucks, but when your team's in a spot like that, individuals, their own individual business is like, this organization is bad for my business, therefore I gotta take it somewhere else. The whole thing, how people look at me, how my jersey looks in a garbage team, I want everything about my business as an individual athlete to be better perceived. And why wouldn't you want that?

Especially if you put in time, right? You've been around forever. You've tried. You've had different coaches, different quarterbacks. The guy is, he panned out. They took him first overall. The guy, he's everything you could ask for in a defensive player. You've been defensive player of the year. Again, he is, in my opinion, there's no one that would scare a left tackle more than Miles Garrett. Like no one in the league coming off the edge like him that would scare you like he does. He's done everything he possibly can and the Cleveland Browns have not pulled their weight. It's like what we talked about with Luka.

Dallas looked at it and said, we don't believe we're gonna get a return on That investment we're gonna give you 350 million and you're gonna show up out of shape That's their perception doesn't mean it's accurate or whatever We don't know how it's all gonna play out But that that was a business decision and that's what Myles Garrett's doing here He's like I want out and he's gonna demand to get paid too I mean, that's what comes with it too, right? Whoever requires him is immediately gonna make him the highest paid defensive

player in the league. Immediately they're ripping up his contract and repaying him. So I guarantee you that Lucas situation although there was a perception and everybody knew that what they were dealing with but I bet you there was one isolated incident where like some kind of trainer or athletic therapist, he was supposed to be doing something and they walked into a back room and this guy was eating chicken fat. Like it was something where somebody was just blown away and they were like, I can't believe I just saw that.

And if I'm telling you, it filtered out the chain and somebody was like, Oh my God. You know what I mean? Like blow off there. I don't know. But there was something like it was something where they're like, that's it man. That is it. They showed up. They showed up like a trainer showed up at his house and it looked like Hayes is dorm from college. Just pizza. 100% that's what happened. Trying to get the door open, it's blocked by like bottles and boxes.

I've had that happen. Trainer walked right in my kitchen just like this, chucking stuff behind his head into a garbage bag. No way man. Yeah, I mean and that's a business too. The trainers, they work for the team. The GM is talking to that trainer a lot, right? You think it's a sanctuary in there? It's not. Those trainers are... What did you see from him today? What did he weigh in at?

Did he show up on time? What's he looking like? Oh, really? Oh, the weigh-in. That's a problem. How much money you think he was trying to give the trainer after an off day showing up for that mandatory weigh-in and he's just been going to town and you're five pounds heavier.

If you were really desperate, I think you wouldn't be shy to throw 20 Gs at a trainer and say write down that number. Do you want it or not? Twenty grand cash, paperback. If you were in a desperate mode where you know if you weighed over and someone was really going to hate you, you say, oh, there's 20 Gs in the back of my car. You want it? Put down that number and tell the coach.

I know of, and I'm not going to say the name, so you guys know I played for several organizations. I know of a guy coming back off of a road trip and it was 12 heavier than his playing weight 12 and we were gone for like a week so 12 pounds man 12 pounds that is like big nights every night and like late night wings That is like that's but it's pregame meals walking out Yeah pregame meals walking out with six cookies and a napkin and like that type of stuff like you know what it's pregame meals walking out with six cookies and a napkin and that type of stuff. You know what it's like. You know those pregame meals.

You could sit down and- I know, but a lot of times the coaches and assistant coaches are in there. If you're a fatty and you're wheeling out with a tub of ice cream and six cookies and a napkin, you're insane. You would make people break their neck looking at you walking out saying look at that guy right now you don't even touch the ice cream. And if you do you fake a phone call until the coaches leave and you go back in there and do

your work you never do that in front of them. And then you go up for a nap and you do come down for the snack at four o'clock all year and there's toast and cereals and all cookies again act to work cookies and carbs that's all it probably is uh... cookies and carbs twelve-pack of the other way around one of the veteran guys called about it just was like okay knock it off type of thing

so it was not good well let's listen man i Okay, knock it off type of thing. So it was not good. Okay. Well, listen, man, it's been a wild 48 hours and we haven't even mentioned, how about McElroy being able to moonwalk down 18 at Pebble with a three shot lead? Like that's gotta be one of the coolest moments. He hit a three iron off the tee cause he didn't even care.

He's like just fairway finder. If he hit anything else, I was gonna just jump through my TV. But what, never mind the three iron, dude, on 14, he was hitting 400 yard drives around the corner. That was outrageous. No one's ever taken that line. Like I played that hole where it was drivers smash a three wood and then hammer a nine iron he hit driver seven iron yes it's absurd man it registered 399 yards yeah that's how hard he was hitting his drive that's how far he was any with like it was like a pitching wedge going on so what's the brand name of the driver is it's

tailor-made that's exactly right he changed to a tp5 too right? He was like, yeah, I was just chipping around and I hit a couple and I liked the way it reacted. The guy grabs some TP5s out of the shop. Yeah. And just started, it goes out there and wheels around Pebble and shoots 21 under. Yeah. It's incredible because he played TP5X forever because he liked the feel, I guess, around the greens and stuff. Dude, it's a great win for that guy. He can keep the flies off for a little bit because every time that guy tees it up and he doesn't win people are like what the... but it'll just ramp back up at Augusta. When is he Sky? 100%.

100%. And like Scheffler returned and played well and now you go to waste management this week. McElroy's not in the field but he'll be there at Torrey Pines I believe the week after that. I'll tell you what that Jay Monahan as soon as he saw Seb Straka dropping down that leaderboard, he started drinking heavily. Big time, dude. McElroy going up and Seb going down, he was like, keep doing it. The Undertaker meme with Jay Monahan and Seb Straka after 54 holes.

He's like, I can't have sep I can't do this again Yeah, you can't you have to move and let Rory take off. Yeah. Yeah McElroy He just he hit that QI 35 Taylor made driver all over that place Yeah, and the TP 5 it was great man. He looked good. That was me picking a winner, too I'm up 10-2 and doogie standing. Oh Noodles what is it? Isn't it just a one spot? Doogie likes the 10-2.

Doogie's scoring system is 10 points for an outright win, five points for a top five, two points for a top 10. So you had Schaeffler who finished T9, that's two points for you. And I had McElroy outright, which was ten points for me, ten two. Alright, so I got a pretty good line on the waste management. Yeah, okay. Oh yeah. Alright, we'll get to those picks on Wednesday.

Actually I do have breaking news for you two. I'm going to waste management. You're going to the waste management? Yes. Explain, are you down there the road sends or what's going on down there now i'm meeting a few bodies

uh... and i think that you get to walk you're not even a look at one god is disgustingly you're well i'm not like what i get a call from the bridge played a video of my guy from the waste management this is going to be noodles at the white lines and i thought i I swear, look at this guy. Look at this guy walk. This is at the waste management. Look at that guy.

Well, we've got a, we've got a. The backwards holdup. Dude, the backwards holdup is such a dangerous game with no hard hat on. Like he just cannot. That'll be, Here's the thing. I'm on the show Monday. My flight gets me in in time to be on the show Monday.

My voice might be a little bit rougher. Just get a replacement. I'm coming in. Do me a favor. I don't know if I... Because we're coming off the Super Bowl. I can't handle that. Well, we're watching the Super Bowl. We're watching the Super Bowl.

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tonight's little not get absolutely cdm are co-lovers ruin the language absolutely and autobus one uh... for a row so everything's coming up for autowa and uh... we'll see what comes of it tonight, the loan game and the NHL. We'll see if there's any blockbuster trades between now and tomorrow at 4 PM as well. Nothing will shock me anymore, but I love it. Teams aren't like, and we've always talked about in the past days, teams are married

to their players. No, we're not changing. Switch it up. If you don't win, what the hell's the difference? Why don't get married to something that doesn't work? Organizationally, I love it. I love seeing trades movement all of it. Let's get crazy man. I love it, too It's it's it makes it so much more fun and interesting and the fans benefit in the end I know there's some heartbreak for individual clubs

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