OverDrive - OverDrive - February 4, 2026 - Hour 1 - Doug Flutie

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys have officially touched down in San Francisco on Radio Row for Super Bowl LX, and kick things off discussing the Maple Leafs three-game win streak out west, Team Canada’s outlook at the Olympics, the Los Angeles Kings acquiring Artemi Panarin, and the Toronto Raptors bringing in Chris Paul. Legendary former NFL and CFL quarterback Doug Flutie joins the show to discuss what it’s like for players preparing for a Super Bowl, what his CFL career did for his confidence, what makes each starting quarterback in this year’s Super Bowl so special, and if Josh Allen will ever win a ring for the Bills.

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All right, here we go, overdrive, often running live from San Francisco, California, Super Bowl. radio row look at us Brian Hayes, the O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennan. We spent the last hour trying to figure out how we're going to sit in these seats. It's a cross-leg? What are we doing here? I think it's open season.

You're looking cool. I feel comfortable. I feel comfortable. And guys, I think we have to attempt something because I've noticed, when you walk in this building, Hayes, I walked in with you, and everyone who's anyone in sports is here. Pat McAfee's here.

DeVen A. Smith was over there. was over there. Mad Dog is here, but you could see everyone going to the different stations and it's like, oh, look at that, that's Stephen A. Smith. And there's been a couple of looks over here like, where are these cats from Canada?

We might have to get Doogie to get fake arrested tonight or something, to get some notoriety in here and to get cooking and everyone's going to say those are the guys from Canada, their producer got arrested, something like that. We got to make a name for ourselves in here. That's the guy who got kicked out of

customs line. Yes. He was doing there. Well, Dugie might be on a list right now. A lot list. Yeah, like Dear A Zee B out of the gate. We've been here for five minutes. Dugie's pants split wide open at the airport. Like, on the way here. Very uncomfortable. Like, I'm talking

a full split. Yeah, he bent over to grab his luggage. It split down the middle and he farted really loud. And everyone was staring at Dugie at the custom section. Yeah. So we're getting big press back home for that. They know who Dugie is at the airport. And here's it. It's huge news. My brother was on duty and reported that

to me. As a cop, he was on duty and you knew about it. We saw Ryan on duty said, we've heard stories about some guy. Where's the Dugie character? It was making people very uncomfortable here. He's in a room. They brought him in for interrogation. We don't need press back home. Yeah. Here we need

press. We got to get buzzing in here because this is awesome. Like, anybody as a fan of football and if you watch sports, you've got to try to find a way to get in here for this experience. And the one question I have for you, Hayes, why doesn't the National Hockey League do something like this? Like, couldn't you find a couple days in the finals, or is it just because it's a series you can't get this setup? I think it would be awesome. They're like hockey diehards, man. Yeah, what you need is the neutral site. Right? That's what

this conversation leads to, I think, every single year. And you see it. Listen, the Super Bowl, you can't just replicate. No. If you're the end. The NHL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, you don't have a shot. Super Bowl and the NFL is a different beast. Are you talking neutral site for a whole series? Well, yes, in order to set up all the infrastructure, getting everyone prepared here, having everything planned, to have everyone on site, that's what would have to happen. You'd have to have a neutral site.

It's like an All-Star weekend type of thing. I think it's a cool idea, man. Wow. I don't know. This setup is elite. It's to be very different. I mean. Elite.

Like, you know, you think of some of the places. as we've been to, even the golf and, you know, all of the other tournaments we've been to. I look at this setup is unbelievable. Yeah. We've been to other places where, you know, Radio Row, there's like a golf cart set up and glass enclos. That's what I love about this. If you come here and it's no disrespect to anybody that has a worse set than us. If you just get a desk and it's like you're there, it's not the same vibe. Like, we are. And to be clear, we've been that guy. We've been in the golf. Card over there. Many time.

Every other time we've been on location. Basically every other time, they're like, we'll find a place for you guys. Storage room B, I think. Now we can carve people throughout the day. I'm looking out here. I feel like we're in a palace. It's dialed. Looking upon. It's dialed in. No, it's a beautiful set. Thanks to Fandole

for setting us up. Obviously, we're here, courtesy of Fandau, TSN. It is an interesting question, though. Like, how can you build on this energy with other sports? I just I think, again, you've got to be realistic. The Super Bowl and the NFL are a different beast.

Yeah, that's it. You know, and even the Super Bowl here, we're downtown, San Francisco. The stadium's an hour south of here. There's other events going on in between. There's stuff in Santa Clara. There's stuff in San Jose. Like, it is spread out. Yeah.

Right? You wouldn't know it based on how condensed this room in how much energy there is here. Thorad you say the stadium's an hour away. Yeah, it's an hour south of here. It's taken over the whole area. I landed today. You guys landed yesterday. day. The place is buzzing.

It's amazing. Traffic everywhere, but they've got it organized. Street shut down, police waving you through. They know exactly what. My driver deserved a medal to get here. I'll tell you what. Well, you flew in this morning. Yeah, I was in Raleigh last night. So I was at 3.30 a.m. wake up, which was tough.

I slept for two hours last night because I watched the Leaf game. Yes. How about the Leas? How about the Leaves? The Leaves are messing with you. I'm telling you. I knew it was going to come. I said, lock of the century that went three straight.

going into the break. I knew they were going to win. They're messing with Leaf Nation, the psyche. Last night in particular, right? You beat Vancouver, you beat Calgary. That's expected. Kind of gimmies, yeah. My bingo card had them getting smoked last night.

I'll tell you what. And Leaf fans are noticing it. And this is not an excuse. I know what's coming. I know what's coming. They're a point behind Edmonton and Vegas in the standings. What division you're in this year factors in to the way things are going to play out.

Now, that's just the reality, and that's the way it goes. You're right, because Edmonton's talking about McDavid getting his cup, and the other guy, Matthews, they're talking about blowing up his team. They're a point behind Edmonton. I thought you were going to say they've done, they had the road trip without 44 on the back end because that's what was, I thought you were going there. Let me get that out of the way. The standing stuff, which again, you can't control.

If you're a fan, you can complain all you want. The fact of the matter is Toronto's not in the Pacific time zone. So they're not in the Pacific Division. but Edmonton's a point up on them. Vegas is a point up on the Leafs with less regulation wins. They've been getting smoked. And they've been getting smoked

ever since they acquired Anderson. The only win is against Toronto. But you look at it, the few things that stood out to me last night, the Morgan Riley conversation is a legitimate one. I thought Carlo had a great game last night,

throws that hit on McDavid, was ready for the fight too. Yeah. Like, Nurse is a tough customer. He threw his gloves off and said, where are we meeting? And I thought he did pretty well in that fight. Like he can fight, right?

Like, nurses have... Just haven't seen a lot of it from Brandon Carlo, though. Like, on the other side, Trent Frederick skated right by him. Right by him. I was like, what? Like, 10 skates right here. There's their... Oh, I'm going to go look for the puck.

Yeah, right by him. I'm like, that's the guy they brought in. Now, Nurse is a good leader there and stood up, and you're right. There's a great fight in Carlo. The one thing that teams have done is... you have to respect McDavid because he'll make you pay, but there are teams that go right after 97. And to me, you know, Carlo took an opportunity.

As he should. And didn't hurt him. You're not trying to hurt him, but you're trying to hit him. And slow him down. And you know what? You didn't have a lot of space last night. I thought they did a good job in layers checking him. Listen, not a lot of teams in the league have gone through a game

where neither McDavid or Dryside will get on the game. Now the goalie helps a little bit. Well, that was my next point, is, Again, Morgan Riley being out, I thought Carlo with McCabe, that's all of a sudden a pairing that looked a lot more comfortable. You know, it's only a couple of games. But Riley being out, they win without him. Like, is it a coincidence?

Maybe. Is there something to it? Like, you look at the amount of games he's missed throughout his career. They're winning percentages through the roof. It's just something that's... I understand it sucks for him. And I get the position he's in. We all love Morgan Riley.

But that is brewing. Like his stance within the organization, what could happen in the future, and him being out and them winning isn't going to help that conversation. Well, it's the situation he's in. I'm sure he would have never predicted this. But when he gets healthy to come back, whatever's happening with the decor, you're going to have to ask the question, where do you fit right now?

And what is going to be the most helpful for you to have success out there? Because if there's pairings that are working, you can't break them up now, which he would usually be a guy saying, I'm coming back. You get off that deep pairing. I'm going there. I don't know if you can do that anymore. I could find a spot in the stands for Philip Meyer.

I'm sorry. I hear you. I get it. I'm not saying he's not going into the lineup. Like, he's going to be healthy. Like, you hope, like, they're done now for three weeks. Yeah. So now they're going to watch for the next two days some standings go on or whatever.

And if, you know, if they get a little help, they're five points back. If they don't, they're seven. But at the end of the day, what are they going to do? Well, I don't think it should change anything. but ultimately what we think doesn't really matter. It matters what Brad Shrew living in the Maple Leafies decide to do. But credit to them. They won games.

They needed that. They had lost a lot of games prior to these three games. Stolars you mentioned was great last night. He was really, really good. And that is a story with 25 games to go. You take three weeks off. You get Stolars healthy and Wall healthy. If they get great goaltending...

Gives you a chance. Well, yes, it gives you a chance. It moves the Jerry's percentage, mini jerry and then making the playoffs to like 35%. It's still such an uphill battle. What if they've already made a decision on these guys? Is that possible where they already said we're punting on the season? Well, who knows?

I think so. I think you trade McMahon, you trade maybe Lotton, you trade one of the defensemen. But you still get great goaltending. You're going to be in game. And you still have top players. Yes. See, this is the thing that I don't disagree with people, but it's like you have to have a plan moving forward.

there's no guarantee if you trade player X, let's say McMahon, I'm just spitballing. The player you either get back or the cap relief or whatever, the team's not just going to go down the toilet. You still have Neelander if he's healthy, Matthews, you still got players like talent. And to me, it's, if you get the goaltending, you can be right there. There's no guarantee. I don't know what the percentage is. I saw Mike Kelly just killing eight fans yesterday. Well, it's not high.

No, it's a huge mountain that they've got up flying. 20%. But if you, you know, you inch forward, Mary Swansea, you got a chance to do it. You got a chance. And I would say the third thing that stood out to me is the guy he just mentioned. William Meelander is a game changer when he's playing. Yeah. When he's healthy and dancing, he's a one-man show. Like he can create offense on his own. Unlike anyone else on the team, Matthews included.

Like Matthews, I think needs to feed off other guys. Yeah. Willey-Lander. I just got to say one thing, and it's kind of bugged me the timing of him coming back. It was like, I don't know, it just seemed like the organization gave this guy $100 million, and this season was hanging in the balance. And it was almost like, where was your head at? Did you want to prep for the Olympics?

Like you got three weeks coming up where you could have told Sweden, no thanks. I got to just, I got to play for the Leafs, and then I got to rest. But it was like, I don't know. It kind of bugs me to the timing of it a little bit. Be honest, though, I'm glad he's back in the sense that, that he didn't get hurt. Well, he looks great. But he was hurt.

He would miss seven games or whatever. He missed the most critical time of the season. But he's got to go to the Olympics. Then you're going, okay, where's his head at? Olympics or your team. He came back and played very well. So that said to me he's healthy. So go to the Olympics, play well, play hard, and come back more, you know, rejuvenated.

And I don't know. You know, you guys may have talked about the McDavid letter or whatever. I thought we haven't because we were off yesterday. I thought that was brilliant. I loved it. And what I like about it, so McDavid, you know, wrote something in the Players Tribune because I don't believe any of these guys actually... He may have spoken.

Yes. He may have a ghost writer. Yes, of course, which is totally fine. Yes. It's totally fine. But what stood out to me about that is that he, and I have such great appreciation for this, he admitted, like, he thinks about his legacy. Yeah.

And he cares about his legacy. Sure. Which you should, and that should go without saying, but there are times when we get in these debates and arguments, how important is it to win? Statues. What about this? Statues and all that. It's like, wow, the players are just going about their business. No, they're not. Like, he is, he is dialed in. He's in tune, though. Yes. That's what it is. He absolutely is. Now, I thought it was somewhat funny last night. It looked like kind of get me to the Olympics. I want to get out of here clean. Yeah.

From him, Matthews. Now, and they play Calgary tonight, Edmonton does. They just want to get out. Yeah. Because you do not want an injury at this point. I know, but they want to win, too. They've been playing like crap as well. I hear you.

And they also, all of a sudden, who's stopping pucks for them? They need a save tonight as well. Yes. Yeah, Jari's got to play better. I like that Ingram. I liked him. He made some good saves last night. I couldn't lay that loss at his feet.

Right. I thought the Leafs did. The power play was a difference there. Two great plays in the power play game. Right. But, you know what, when you look at it, coming back to the McDavid thing, what do we talk about all the time, like, when, what fans are dying for? This guy said, I want to win at Edmonton. All I think about is, you know, is winning.

Edmond, you know, I don't care. Like, he basically was saying, I think, what a lot of fan bases are dying for from their star points. Yes, exactly. I want to be a winner here. And I'm obsessed with winning right here. Right. It landed so well. And it lands, well, I think, as a Canadian, because now you get to root for him.

Not that you're ever rooting against him, but now he's playing for your team if you're Canadian. He's got to get through tonight, and then you get to the Olympic Games, and obviously the next three weeks are a massive legacy platform for all of these guys. I'm a little, like, this is just maybe me. I'm nervous for Canada. I really am. I feel very good. I've got to be honest.

The goaltending scares me. The goaltending. Just like it did going into foreign nations. Yes, it does. But I look at McDavid, MacKinnon, Sid, Celebrini. Like, those cats are going to go over there and I think put on a clinic. You're right. And that team USA is going, we're going in as underdogs.

Yes. We don't care. Go ahead. To me, and I think there's going to be a surprise team in there, whether it's Sweden or, you know. They generally play well, especially in Europe. Yeah, like the Finns will show up in battle. Oh, you're going to get the best from some of those Euro players. Oh, yeah.

You can bank on that. But I, you know, you look at it, I feel bad for Sorrelli. watching that game live the other night. And Sam Bennett goes in. That's kind of a makeup call for missing them the first time. Yeah. Right? But you look at it.

It makes a lot of sense. I'm excited for it. But, you know, it's, to me, when you come back to it, the storylines after the Olympics is going to be outstanding. It's going to be a race, man. Now, I am worried about the Leaf's schedule. Yeah. That's been a constant, you know, for months now.

Yeah. And when they've dug themselves such a hole. There's no margin for error. There's no margin for error. They need the best goaltending you can get. They need health and they need a rock star run. 25 games, you need like 17, 18 minutes. Now are you worried, though, that they just were feeling good about themselves.

Now you've got to start over, or is it better to get healthy and then go out? I think it's better to shut everybody down. And then nice get to 100%. Tavares get a break. The goalies get a break. Yeah. And, you know, you hope Matthews and Ekman Larson and Nylander come back healthy and motivated. So, you know, leave it to break.

And we'll talk about them, you know, a bit over the next few days. and as you can see up on the screen, to make the playoffs, they're plus 320, to miss minus 390. Those are pretty significant odds, both ways. Well, right now, then if you're crunching numbers, that's the reality. The same bet is that they miss the playoffs. But at the end of the day, they've given you a little flicker and going, okay, if you can get something going here, the problem is they've been good, then bad, then good, then bad. And it's on the GM to, and he's got enough sample size to know what they are.

Yeah. Who they are, what they are, what they can do, what you should. should do. So, you know, the trade freeze will go in. I don't think they're going to make a move prior to that. And we'll see what today is. Yeah, I think it's that. Yeah. Archie Panarin. Panarin traded to L.A. for like a prospect and a couple of picks and then he gets a two-year extension at 11 million. That's Copa-Tar's money. Right, Copa-Tar's retiring. He hates the deal, which is, you know, it's fair. I just don't know. Acquiring the guy is one thing, but also extending him. He is not the same player he was. He's not the break. He's not the break.

Red Man anymore. To give him another two years at 11 million? No thanks. It's not for me. I think it's crazy they did that. I think the fact that's only two years would suggest that L.A. knows that. He didn't get a five, six year off into the sunset deal. It's like, we'll take you, give you a couple

years. We have money coming off the books. They need some star power there. They need help up the middle of the ice, though, and that's not going to help. Like, Panarin's going to play the way. And his, the one thing I was saying to Oaf Air is L.A. is a team that got older and a little bit slower in the off season. He doesn't bring the pace up.

No. He's got skill, though. And he's... He's not skill. He can still do some things on the power play, but... He's a one goal, like a one shot score for me. Like, he doesn't need five or six shots and volume. What he needs is, hey, give me

one opportunity. I can put it in the net or make that play. And they might be looking for a game breaker there. We just talked about it. The West outside of two or three teams seem wide open. You know, L.A. may be thinking, okay, well, we're right on the cusp there, and maybe this guy helps put us over.

That's what they're hoping for. They didn't give up a lot. The West, it feels like it's kind of set in stone. It's Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota. Vegas and Edmonton, though, are not in a good place. And that's what those teams in the Pacific are looking at. Like, why are we afraid of those teams? You know, they have more history, clearly, but they're not in good places.

I think Evanton's a team that's going to be active at the deadline. Yeah. because you see what they've been doing is infusing some young players in that, Suboy and, you know, like guys like that who are, you know, Howard's been up and down. But I think what they're going to do is add, you know, you add at the deadline and see what you've got and give experience to guys. They're kind of, for me, I think they're like in the Florida mode from last year. Yeah. Florida, obviously, we know what happened once they got.

But Florida's in one right now. I think they're finished. The way they've been talking the last few days would suggest that that they're in big, big trouble. All right, so we're live from Radio Row. We're going to have a big show today. We've got Doug Flutty coming in. We've got Donovan McNabb. We've got Jeff Garcia, James Duffy.

So four quarterbacks are coming by. One flag football? One flag football, but nevertheless, a legend. Doug Flutie has his own cereal. Yes, he does. Flutie Flakes. Do we bring that up, or is that awkward? Yeah, we'll see what happens.

We got a lot of time. We'll get into a number of things with Flutie. So that's coming up. The trade deadline is right around the, corner from the NBA, and the Raptors have just acquired Chris Paul. So Chris Paul, for Abaji is going the other way. It's effectively a money game. It's to get the Raptors under the luxury tax. Paul is not going to be stepping foot in Toronto. Are you sure? What's your Jerry's that? My read, based on what I'm picking up from Shams, Sharini, and others, like Chris Paul's not even

getting a phone call. Who else didn't step foot in Toronto? Alonzo Morning famously did it. That was in the Vince Carter deal. So that was- Never even made it to Toronto. There were reports they were calling him, and he was not even... Just flushing? They could locate the guy. Flushing. Flushing.

Like, the two Williams came up, and they got picks, and then they got Alonzo Morning, and Morning said, I'm not coming up. Like, didn't answer for days, and then eventually they established some sort of contact with him. So this isn't like... So it's kind of a salary dump, or like you're saying? Yeah, it's about, there's, you know, like different thresholds of taxes and all that. Like, Chris Paul was sent home by the Clippers, and he... That's what I'm wondering. Like, this guy doesn't play anymore.

What do you think Chris Paul looks like right now? Me. I think there's a chance he does look like you. Like he's 40 and he hasn't stepped foot. I want him to play. I want him to show up. I kind of want to see Chris Paul show up. It would be awesome if he showed up. Wouldn't it be amazing if he sent a tweet out and said,

I don't know what these reports are all about. I'm packing my bags. I'm on route. That would be so embarrassing if he called the organization and said, where do you want me to fly to and they just said nowhere nowhere it would probably be the savvy play

because I don't think you need Chris Paul like Chris Paul's the clippers and the whole scene there like how he got sent home and they traded James Hardin to Cleveland yesterday so Hardin's back out again and he's in Cleveland now I watched last night

I should have I bookmarked it it was a reporter that went crazy yes so that was when he originally got to L.A. And he said, I'm warning you, this guy's a problem, you'll never win with him, he'll demand out, he won't take any account for anything.

It was a remarkable rant. It was one of the greatest rants I've ever seen. Of all time. And he was 100% correct, because Hardin has done nothing in L.A. And now, I don't know why Cleveland's bringing him on. Like, I know he's got Uber talent and all that, but I just ruins T. Like, he's just, no way, man. It's not going to work.

Yeah. With James Hardin and Cleveland. but there was an all-time great tweet on this today. Someone tweeted out the scene from Goodwell hunting. Remember when he picks up the paper? And he's like, do you know how easy this is for me? You know how easy? And he said, this is James Hardin showing Janus out of demand a trade.

Because Janus is like trying to work his way through it. Hardin's like, do you know how easy it is? Like when I want out, I'm out in like 48 hours. That is so fun. Fat suits and showing up out of shape. You know, there's so many different things. is done to get out and teams are like forget it just get rid of this guy let's go where do you want to go yeah find a way to make that work for you that is like he is an all-time great at demanding

trades yeah the greatest of all time there's got to be a timeline and what happened in that there's gonna there's got to be at 30 for 30 oh i think so like oklahoma city to houston Houston Houston to Brooklyn Brooklyn to L.A. L.A. to Cleveland and all of it see everything like I want to see the dude that demands this guy had about Vegas and needing to go to Vegas and own timeline lines, don't practice. I want a 30 for 30 on that. Me too, man. If they had all the scene, they could do the scene in the peeler, like, this guy loves going to peeler joints. But he openly admits it.

Yes. He is 100% on the level about all this stuff. He has a ranking too, and I think Toronto was in there. Well, someone did, someone tried to get the analytics down on how good or bad the peeler scene is in each individual city based on how he plays in that market.

So in other words, if he plays... If he thinks to join out, it means there's a better peeler joint? Yes. If he's brutal, it's a great team. Three points in one of us in Toronto. This guy goes to Utah and he's Will Chamberlain. You know, 100 points, 100 rebate, because he's like, I've got nothing to do you. Nothing to do, yeah. But he goes to Atlanta or Miami, he's basically...

Barely makes it. Yeah, he's trying to figure out what he's doing on the court. Anyway, the trades are starting to pour in on the NBA side of things. We'll see what happens in the NHL side of things. things. We're live radio row, San Francisco. It's just an incredible scene down here. Unbelievable. We're getting closer to the game. Like the game, there is energy for the game. It's amazing how there's all these distractions, right? There's all these different things going on. The Pro Bowl yesterday. You know, the awards, the Hall of Fame. How about your boy, Bobby

Kraft, not getting into the Hall of Fame, too? Something's going on there. Well, they've iced them out. They've obviously iced out Belichick. And now Bobby. Obviously iced out Robert Kraft. You think they'll ice out Brady for a year. Do you think they have what it takes to tell Tom Brady you got to sit for a year? No way. Absolutely not. It must have been like the New England curse. You are getting it.

That's the way I, but. Absolutely not unless there's info that nobody's privy to except people voting. Like there's a big Tom Brady scandal that only certain people know it. I can't see it, man. Well, the Flakegate is the only, like he's not responsible for SpyGate. That's not his problem. But people say he was responsible for deflake. Yes, it's his, like the footballs were, he knew what he was doing.

Right. Like he was, now a bunch of quarterbacks came out in defense of him and said, everybody does that. Everyone knows the PSI on every football. The quarterbacks know exactly what they're dealing with, right? It's like a golfer with his club. Like, he knows exactly what dimensions he has and wants. Yeah.

But I guess that's the next question. What happens with Tom Brady? And I had seen today that Brady had reported that, or not reported, but suggested he's not, he doesn't have a dog in the fight in this game, because now he's a media guy and he's an owner of the Raiders, so you're not rooting for the New England Patriots? You think, secretly, he doesn't want them to win because his legacy is there, or does he want them to win because he has...

That's a good question. Like, he can't be nervous about Drake May. He's not nervous about anybody. Maybe Mahomes catching you, not Drake May, but the idea that he wouldn't be rooting for New England is somewhat surprising. Well, unless, but he didn't leave... Did he leave on great terms? Yeah, decent terms.

He went to Tampa, left as a first year. One in Tampa, but everything's all good. They got the statue for him. But it's not like an ex-girlfriend type of thing. I don't think so. I'm looking at that going, I. Bellichick. For them, but you don't, you know.

Belichick was toxic. Brady wasn't. All right, we're live at Radio Row, San Francisco, moving towards Super Bowl Sunday here at the Fandrell set. Tons of energy in here. Doug Flutio will join us today. Donovan McNas. coming up. We got Duffy coming up.

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Week. It's going to be fun. Patriots are in it. Yes. All that fun stuff, a bunch of old buddies around, so it's like a class reunion. It's amazing. Great to see you. And I don't know if you're being asked about your CFL career anywhere else, but you're on Canadian TV right now.

I guess we'll ask you to compare Super Bowl Week to Great Cup Week. How would you compare the two? You know, just take Great Cup and Magnific. it, but it's the same energy. It's just the numbers of people and all that that are different. And I said this, I was

on a couple podcasts this week. We were talking CFL stuff. That's a clip from the Grey Cup up in Edmonton against Saskatchewan. You can't tell me it could be any more exciting, any better, anything. We talk about championship games. We talk about the nerves involved and all that. And it was such a fun part of my career, and I loved every minute

of it. What's the week like for a play leading up because we were at the Grey Cup this year in Winnipeg and it seemed like we saw the players in the hotel and it was just like so much angst like they were just sitting around and waiting for that Sunday game like all you gotta do I mean you can get into trouble you can do whatever you want but this just seems like so much sit around and wait time

well like with Super Bowl they got two weeks to prepare Grey Cup did they take the week off? No they don't they don't right into it so you're right into it so you're still preparing for the game and trying to do some of the activities and be around. But the CFL workday is usually a four and a half hour work day. So there is that downtime and they're around, but do they want to go out and mingle with fans and get out in the middle of everything

or they try to be quiet on the side? The difference here in the NFL is you got the week for preparation, then you come to Super Bowl week and you've already got the prep done. And now it's just rehashing stuff in the practice, so you do have that free time. CFL-wise, we were still watching game film, still preparing, still getting ready, going 100 miles an hour. And for me, I'd like to be in my happy little bubble and just kind of hide. Absolutely.

Doug Flutie with us. And you might be one of one in terms of connecting with the like three levels of North American football. College football, obviously, you had so many famous plays, including maybe the most famous play of all. Obviously, you know what I'm talking about, the Hail Mary. Then you go to the Canadian Football League. You may be the greatest player in league history, real close to it. And then in the NFL, you are so beloved, especially in Buffalo, with your connection to that crowd. Like, how do you respond to that?

Because, again, I don't think anyone has all three levels the way that you do. You know, I've never really thought of it that way. I just, it was, it was, people talk about their journey. I never, I always hated that phrase. But that's what you do. You know, it was just what's up next, what's the next year bringing and all that. The college, I thought for sure that winning the Heisman and what we did at Boston College would be the pinnacle of my career. It was, I didn't, I wasn't sure if I'd have a good professional career or not or have an opportunity.

Things worked out both in the NFL. The CFL career is what put the fun back in football for me, enabled me to get back to the NFL and then become a Pro Bowl quarterback in the NFL. How did the fun get back into it? I think in the CFL, it was just more wide open and turning it loose. I had coaches that believed in me. The nature of the game and the size of the field lent itself to my abilities. So I was just having fun playing football. And all of a sudden the coaches were putting more and more back in my hands.

I was at John Huff Nagle in Calgary. Huff was a great offensive coordinator. Put everything together. He'd get me going through the game. And then at some point he'd just say, take it and go. And I'd start to call my own plays. Toronto with Don, I started calling my own plays right away. So it was like it just all just put the fun in it for me.

Winning solves a lot of issues. So that's part of it. Well, you see the size of the quarterbacks now. And the quarterbacks are a lot more protected than when you play. What do you make of the evolution of that position? Well, they watch the CFL. I mean, all the stuff they're doing is stuff we did 25, 30 years ago. we'd spread it out, use the quarterback as a runner, the RPO game.

I always say Damon and Allen, Damon Allen and I both, I saw Damon pull the ball, eye on the backside end and running. So I started doing it. Then a guy would come off to get me, so I'd throw it to the slot receiver. And we kind of started the RPO stuff. And same with the spread offenses and using the quarterback as a runner or the five receivers, six receivers empty set pass game. So the small guy can do that, you know, they're in gun now.

So it creates better separation from the line of scrimmage. And you can see the whole darn field where I was under center a lot, like the majority of the time when I was in the NFL. Talked about having more fun in the game. Sam Darnold seems like he's having a hell of a lot more fun than when he started. Could you envision like when you saw him with the jets to where he is right now? Like just the improvements, the way he looks. the way he throws the football.

The whole package is completely different. Would you have foreseen that? I saw him in college, and I saw what he could do, his abilities. I say this, everyone goes to the Jets to die. All quarterbacks go to the Jets to die. It just happened. So, no, I couldn't have envisioned it after that. But I have a soft spot in my heart for the guys

that have to bust their tail to keep getting the opportunity to make it happen. The amazing thing is, he won 14 games last year with Minnesota. They let him go. him go. Crazy. Right? And then they're still searching for an answer.

So don't say crazy because you said you would have done the same thing a lot of a lot of the team. You did. You were like, at the end of the season, he didn't play well, play, like whatever. He wasn't great at the end of the year. Sam has always shown the ability to be great. But he's mixed in with all the interceptions and turno. And it's something I did.

I never gave up on a play. And he had to learn how to give up on some plays, throw the ball away, take the occasional sack. and not turn the ball over. And that's where he ran in trouble, was always trying to make a play. So a big part of that is being 100% sure what you're seeing in front of you,

balls out in rhythm and in timing, and the other is maturing enough to know when they give up on a play. Doug Flutie with us, we're live in San Francisco here on the Fandual set. What about the other quarterback playing on Sunday, Drake Mays? He's so young, so good, so efficient.

He's got a great coach in Brable. Like, does he have the it factor for you? And if no, what does that mean? The it factor part with me and him is seeing in him is his athleticism, knowing when to take off and roam the ball, feeling those opportunities. Throwing on the move, he throws the ball exceptionally well. He's a lot more mobile than I ever realized he was when he was coming in. And just throughout the year, the team in general throughout the year got better and better and better.

And his confidence grew. the playoffs run maybe a little shaky but that's because he played great defenses and he still managed to win games so I think he's going to have to be more the Drake May we saw in the middle of the year slinging it and ordered outscore Seattle

so where's your gut instinct on the game here who are you leaning who do you like I mean the scary part of this is Seattle to me is the better team it feels to me I think it was 04 where Brady had the tuck rule, the snow game, an ugly win in the snow. Then you're going up against the Rams who should have blown,

or supposed to blow you out, greatest show on turf. Yeah. It has that feel. Yes. So if the Patriots can just make Seattle work for everything they get, keep it close, grind this thing, and get towards the fourth quarter, I think the Patriots can win it. I'm starting to get there too.

And the amazing thing is there's, you know, so many football fans out there that are not prepared for New England to do this again like it just was 20 years they wanted to see you win too soon for 10 years yes how long when was the last one uh in 19 19 i believe it was yeah so seven years i know i know but if you're

a bills fan dog it's been a lot longer than that where do you stand on on josh allen like are you a believer he's going to get a super bowl is just inevitable the best quarterback he's the first guy i'd take out of anybody and he put them in a position to get to the super bowl again

and they fell short fell short in an ugly way. Officials, flags, catch-no-catch, all that stuff. Just heartbroken for Buffalo. Yeah, let's hope he gets there. We were hoping he'd be here this year, maybe next year in L.A.

With Doug Flutty. So you're working with light helmets. Light helmets. What's going on with that? It's a company that is player-owned, players in it to protect the sports, and the people that play them. And that's the bottom line.

The helmets are a lighter helmet, It helps obviously with fatigue, mobility, everything else, if the helmet can be lighter. Also, the liners are specific to positions. And each helmet is specific to their, you know, whether it's quarterback O line, D line. And the guys that have worn them in the NCAA, as far as we know, the NCAA and NFL this year, none of them have had a concussion. So it's been very promising. This company started 2018. and is considered the best of the newest helmet.

That's awesome. Awesome stuff. We can't thank you enough for coming by. It's great to see a CFL legend. I don't know if anyone else is going to tell you that here, but we always forget. We'll never forget. I'll never forget.

I loved every minute of it. Absolutely. Great seeing you. Good to see you guys. There is. Doug Flutie joining us here. Radio Row. Fandual Studios, Overdrive continues.

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Will it be heads? Will it be tails? Make sure to call it before the Super Bowl. And of course, we're here for Super Bowl 60. And before that kicks off, Download the Fandau Sportsbook app and pick aside today. We're going to, Nate, come up with our picks later this week. Yes. Right?

I was studying on the plane. Do I go heads? Do I go tails? I'll make my big reveal in a couple of days. We're not revealing right now? We're not revealing right now. No, but we're already people to check it out. Right?

Get to the Fandual Sportsbook app for that. And again, we'll do that later this week. And I think Al's brother will be a part of the show on Friday. And Luke's going to come by the next couple of days. Is there a chance we can get this set moved back? Like, I don't know what to do here. No, you look good, you look great. I just have to say, you took so much pleasure.

You just spoke to someone in commercial break and you said, where are you set up? And he said, somewhere in the mush over here and you gave it a head knot. You was the happiest I've ever seen me in my life. I wasn't saying that to be arrogant at all. You loved it. You were like, where are you set up? He's a guy I used to work with. And I know he's doing, I guess he's down here doing broadcast and he's doing stuff.

So I didn't know if he was just walking around or if he's dialed in. But he's like a porta potty in the back. Man, you loved asking. That was not what I was intended. That was not the point I was trying to make that. I was not trying to be a big wheel at all. No. I was not.

I know better than that. Sat back. I've been on the flip side of that so many times. Actually, we're coming up here. Sorry, move along. You know, isn't it awkward? President's Cup, where are you set up? We're facing the wall over.

there in the corner if you ever want to find us actually we're not in montreal we're in the bow yeah yeah we're at a different golf course but we're looking forward to it yeah that i guess it came off as a big wheel move but that was not the intention he was very happy i did notice that yeah i was just checking in it was good to see him it's been a long time since i've seen it i just felt for the guy we're up here we're so dialed in on the set where are you set up and He was like, I'm kind of behind that thing over there. You see that giant set over there? Nowhere near there.

Way over here. That was not the intention. That wasn't what I was trying to get to. All right, Donovan McNabb. Dughey's trying to tackle him somewhere. The best thing is, Dugge is on the seat. It was great to his dog lute. He's got a Johnny Cash suit on.

He's so bald in. He looks amazing. Does he have, like, duct tape on his pants? What's he doing? I don't know. He's trying to break out a new style. He's breaking out a new style. But we're going to get Donovan McNabbin here.

We got Duffy coming up. We got Jeff Garcia coming up. But it's interesting that it does seem to me. Now, Flutie has a Patriots affiliation. Right. I get the sense it's swinging to the Patriots. And I don't know. I think that's fascinating, Brian.

Like, how does it go from high-powered Hawks team, like run and gun and they're going to put up a bunch of points and they're unstoppable? How does the swing happen outside of the two-towered? teams that are playing. Well, I think it's actually dangerous to do this, but I think the reasoning is people are falling on history. And they're saying, well,

remember when Brady and Belichick were huge underdogs? I think that is completely idiotic to fall back on that. It's 4.5. Doug Flutie brought it up. He was like, the Rams were there with the greatest show on turf, with Kurt Warner and all of his weapons. This is totally

different. It's a completely different team. Why would you draw that comparison? I find that to be insane. Well, I think because there are some similarities. In terms of May being a young unproven quarterback, Brady at that time, young unproven. Now, that spread was crazy. I want to say it was 13 and a half or 14 and a half.

It was a massive spread in favor of the Rams. Everyone thought they were going to blow the doors off New England because no one trusted the young quarterback, the coach that hadn't won as a head coach before. So I think I look at it like Braebel's got, you know, some Belichick features to him May has some Brady features to him

they got a really good defense that's cooking right now and I think the Patriots and Brable are going to feed off the underdog narrative. Now how much is that work? I'd ask you guys as pro athletes when your coach is yelling at you no one believes in us where do you draw

the line between okay I'm going to use that as inspiration and where does it cross over to the other line where it's like yeah no kidding neither do we. We're not winning this game. I think the underdog role only takes you so far. I've told you so many times about playing against the Detroit Red Wings in the finals,

where we won the first game of the series, and it was like, maybe we're not the underdogs. Maybe we can do this. And then all of a sudden the next two or three games, they completely crush your soul. And you're like, we weren't even underdogs. We didn't have a chance. The thing is, though, this is one game. You're right.

That is where it's completely. Somebody has a bad quarter. There's a fumble out of nowhere, a bad call we've seen the refs get involved or not get involved. This is why I think it's, people are starting to waver. They've seen things they don't like. People have been

complaining about the reffing all season long. What if the refs factor in? What if a fumble out of nowhere, a bad, you know, an errant throw? And all of a sudden all hell breaks loose. Like I just... That's the reality of it.

You've got seven games, or four games. Here it's one. And you have no idea. Somebody has a bad day. That's it. That's the amazing thing of having to take advantage of this for both teams. But I think it's imperative that like Darnold kind of closes the loop on the redemption story. In other words, if he doesn't play well and they lose, everyone's going to start back up.

I knew it. This guy... I knew this guy didn't have... Sinda Rousalda was smart for dumping you. Exactly. He's seeing ghosts again. So, you know, I've been asked this question a lot this week. I'm sure you guys have

been asked as well. You know, like, who needs this more? Obviously, both teams want it for their legacy. You can make a strong case for New England as well. Like, if they get it, then they're on... You're never going to catch the Patriots dynasty. Right. But that market, you got to win a championship

before you're even taking serious in Boston. Right? With the way the Pats work, the Red Sox, the Celtics, the Bruins, they win all the time. So if you don't win a championship, you're not even acknowledged. So the bar is set so high where you have to do that to get into the conversation in New England. But I think with Donald in particular in Seattle, if they don't win, and especially if they don't win because he doesn't play well,

the whole redemption story blows up. The whole legacy things for both of these quarterbacks, and I know Drake May is only in his second year in the National Football League, but not everybody has Tom Brady's career where you play in all these Super Bowls or Patrick Mahomes. So one guy is like destiny is going to change and the other guy might be chasing the rest of his career. And maybe not even come close, Brian. That's the truth. They may never even come close.

It could be a one-off for either one of these guys. There's dozens and dozens of those. The Brady's are the exception of the rule. Mahomes. Those guys are different. The reality is like Aaron Rogers got one Super Bowl and he played in one. He got to one and he played it. He won one. And that was 15 years ago.

It's crazy though. So that's an all-time grade. Drew Breeze won at once. Right? Like he won at one time. Those are two of the all-time grades. You might get some guy like Eli where he goes and wins two. Yeah.

But you think about it, though. You got me thinking that. A minute, if Darnold doesn't play well, people will be like, I've been right about this guy all along. Oh, launching into takes. Reconceived notion. Like people already have. that he's got to change that.

Yes. That's the weird part. That's, yeah. And I'm sure he's aware of that. Like we talked about McDavid writing that article in the Players Tribune and accepting and acknowledging

he thinks of his legacy and everything counts in terms of legacy building. Right. That's the world we live in. You know, like we're, look at all of this media here. Every single show here has talked about goats

and legacies and who's this and who's that and done ranking. and lists every single show for every single sport, teams, players, coaches, owners, GMs, everything. So that's ultimately what's on the line. And you've done the heaviest lifting is to get here. You've got to win all those games in the regular season. You've got to find a way to win the playoff games. And then you get to the Super Bowl and you've got four quarters to figure it out. You better be ready to play. On paper, who's the better coach?

I would say Vrable, but like McDonald's so young. Like, he's not a phenomenal job. Right. Like, he's only been there a couple of years, taken over for a legend in himself. Griseled. And I think that factors insignificantly. I think the fact that he's been a winner as a player. He's been through this before as a player. I think he's going to be able to ease the stress of Drake Meg.

Right. And that team and kind of feed off the energy of the Super Bowl in the more positive way. Yeah. Where with McDonald and Darnold, like, they're just not, they don't know. But it might, they might be. They don't know. So green, not so green, that's the right, wrong word, but it's, it might not overwhelm them. Yes.

It's just, hey, go play and. I don't think Brable will be overwhelmed. Right, he's going to be. Now, it doesn't mean they're definitely going to win. But I don't believe he'll be overwhelmed by the moment. All right, hour two coming up. We're live in San Francisco Radio Row. We're at the convention center downtown, moving towards the Super Bowl here.

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