OverDrive - OverDrive - February 7, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Michael DiStefano for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' victory against the Kraken, Anthony Stolarz's return for the team and Josh Allen winning the NFL MVP award. TSN NFL Analyst Jesse Palmer joins to discuss the Super Bowl matchup between the Eagles and Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes' winning mentality and Saquon Barkley looking to make a statement in the game.

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For details visit McAlpineLincoln.com. This Hour of Overdrive is powered by FanDuel. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Alright, here we go Overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker. And up on TSN4, Brian Hays, your dog, Jeff O'Neil, and there he is, my partner, Al's brother,

also known as Michael DiStefano. How we doing fellas? How we feeling? How we doing? It's a super day boys, it's a super day. We're jacked up. Let me ask you guys something. Right off the hop, do you think Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley are hanging out with Travis

Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes right now? No. Why would they do that? Why would they possibly do that? Why is this guy on the show? I thought I was a prominent member of the show and you guys are going to team up today and try to gang up on me? Yeah. I didn't sign up on that

that's the plan team what are you talking about yeah one of my stars he's nowhere to be found and you guys are going to come at me with your agendas your beliefs different storytelling maybe possibly lead me in some different directions throw some crumbs over there and see if i'll go chase them i don't support it but i did want to show you guys something. That's my first Super Bowl with some real friends. It's my buddy Murph Cat, Bear Cat, and Spradley, and we are right in the New England zone,

three rows up in Jacksonville, Florida, and guess who they played. Can any of you answer? Is it Carolina, Carolina that game I believe Eagle Andy Reed's and he really lost the Super Bowl that day is that what you're about to tell me that's right exactly right Who is playing the halftime who's the halftime? Dude, I'm not getting into it cuz you know I hated it was Paul McCartney They wheeled about on a piano and I looked at my buddies and I'm like I Wanted Michael Jackson or something like I wanted Paula Abdul. I wanted something to get me grooving

There's no culture no culture with this guy Paula Abdul no culture Paula That's a pace. We've never really like asked the question You're telling me if McCartney wheels out there on a stage on a piano doesn't stand up, you'd be like, this is really cool? Absolutely. You can say for the rest of your life, you saw Paul McCartney play live.

I think you'd have an appreciation for it. Absolutely. Outside with O, where I probably would rather something with a little bit more pizzazz for a Super Bowl halftime but you have to appreciate the greatness of Paul McCartney and the Beatles exactly legacy like this is the comparison of going to Augusta or the waste management right both are very cool but if you get to go to Augusta National is it stuffy sure is it older is it a little bit more you know procedural in terms of the way things are gonna operate yes but it's a bucket list it's something you can say

for the rest of your life go to the West waste management obviously is very cool too but what that is is a party and it's modern and it's buzzworthy now but no one for the rest of their life is saying hey I got to walk the sacred grounds of TPC Scottsdale I got to see you, Paula Abdul do the halftime show. No one's saying that. Paul McCartney. Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake. That would have been cool. That would have been cool. That was historical for a lot of different reasons. Very historical. Very, very historical. But anyway, we don't have to go down that road, but I think it would have been cool. I do, I wonder if that is possibly a look into the future. Andy Reid on the wrong side of a Super Bowl result.

And you guys are going to be picking the spread. All right. Commissioner Dougie finally stepped up. There's way too many people in his ear. Next year, this is what's going to happen. Okay. I don't want to hear from anybody in terms of complaints in terms of what the spreads are what we're playing Like Luke Wilson is the most annoying human being on earth. Yeah, but a group chat

I got I got to just add one thing you have the luxury You go in there for those expensive Sports Center hits that you love jamming in your pockets and when you are in there Yeah, you have the luxury of saying, hey Doogie, I gotta talk to you about something. And you grill him and complain in person and act like it never happens. So you're in Doogie's ear more than anyone, bro, anyone. That is true considering Doogie and I work closely together

to actually make everything work on this show where if I didn't talk with Doogie, who knows what the hell would be happening every single day. So yes, I do talk with Dougie and I try to in certain areas guide Dougie towards what I think is a very important element of the show, which is entertainment in the end. But Joe from the bridge is the second most annoying person on earth. It's a one a one. This guy is out of control. a lot of so annoying on the user trying to use the

chime in once in a blue moon and said i'd like that trade maybe not but now it's daily he has a ten paragraph essay and it's like here's the deal yeah from joe from the bridge is bill gala stop i don't condone that either and I hope that that disappears immediately Okay Well, and that's who I'm directing this towards Luke Wilson and your biggest fan Joe from the bridge who always sides with you Every time always pushes for idiocy and things that are anti Entertainment value and that's what we're looking for and there's gonna be some

Fireworks this afternoon because we are going to finally track Luke down. We haven't heard from him all week. I've not had Luke on once all week. No idea what he's doing down there, but he will come up at six. We're going to have Jesse Palmer come on a little bit later. We've got MJ coming up. We're coming off a Leaf game last night. Morty Seinfeld, you're on the panel, right?

Did you make it through the panel and how'd everything go last night? It was, I wouldn't say it was exactly an enthralling game but Stoller's played really well yeah Stoller's played really well and I think that's all you wanted to see pick up two points stay red hot on this trip Stoller's is back you look great I think that's our play kept everything you wanted across the board I think everything happened last night Hayes it was one of those games and it's like the Seattle Kraken right now it's like they're playing poker short-stacked where it's like no matter what they do like they could dominate a game you know

the other team's goalie is gonna stand on their head or another team's power plays gonna get a couple early and it's just a team that's not gonna make the playoffs and they're going out there and working and the Maple Leafs are just they're better players are better and they had some guys come through with some lucky breaks. It wasn't the best game in the world but I think good teams win games when they don't have their A stuff and now they have an opportunity I said it on the postgame hit they can go into Vancouver and I touched on this before they left for the road trip you get those first couple games you go for the kill and you really focus against Vancouver and

everybody gets on their private birds in Vancouver and goes down to wherever they're going and Everybody's feeling good about themselves. It's either the private bird to Mexico or the private bird back to Toronto But you go for an oh because remember the feeling going into the road trip guys Wasn't good. No, it wasn't good. The offense was stale. Nobody was scoring It was a really grindy dog days of the season type feel and now they're cooking out West Bobby McMahon scored again another good story Listen Bobby McMahon is the best story going in Toronto sports right now. Like the story of Bobby McMahon is one that this market always, I think any market would and should gravitate to.

But I think a hockey market like this should have such an appreciation for who this guy is and where he's come from. This guy was playing East Coast Hockey League games a few years ago. This time last year, he was an American Hockey League player that maybe could find a role. Now he has 30 goals in his last, I believe 76 games. And I saw a stat sent to me last night or this morning, someone sent me a stat that over the last 30 years. Hang on a sec, what do people send you like just random stats? No, I get, I get, I get like tagged and stuff. So it's like one of those things, like tagging on Twitter or whatever. Someone will send me a DM on Instagram saying,

check this out. Because they know I'm always looking for information, right, Al's brother, I'm always reaching out to you. I'm looking for tremendous information. That over the last 30 years, three Leafs have scored in five straight road games. Cause that's what Bobby McMahon established last night. He scored in Montreal, in Ottawa, and now he's scored the first three games on this trip. Matt Sundin, Austin Matthews,

Bobby McMahon. Like that's where this guy's at. What a list. Matt Sundin, Austin Matthews, Bobby McMahon. And every goal seems to be like last night it was a really nice play by Morgan Riley, but he's scoring you know flying in off the wing right with somebody else's stick in Montreal. Like this guy, he's actually had some highlight real goals, man. And it's just an incredible story. Like we've had these folklore type guys show up out of nowhere and go on these great runs. The Lonnie Bahanas types, the Nikolai Borzewski types, and Steve Sullivan. There's been a number of guys where it's like where did this guy come from? Wow

We're on board with this and that's what Bobby McMahon represents right now I don't think this is gonna be a guy where you're looking at him and I don't want to put my own tires because I'm just I don't feel the need to okay But do you not remember Hayes when I told you when I he first kind of made a statement last year I said and nobody really believed me I'm like, I think this guy's a hockey player like I think he's a top nine forward and everyone was like, oh, come on He played in the East Coast and noodles was giving it to me and you were giving it to me. I'm like, sorry I just think he's a player big strong fast can shoot the puck and maybe just maybe and it doesn't always work out if you

Give him an opportunity to play with some offensive players and who knows where this goes with the guy big dude like that that could skate like if there's a foot race for a park in the neutral zone he's getting it he's been in that he could skate and yeah is not ready can any of the like what i'm gonna tell you i'd like to score you a goal in a playoffs here they need it and i'm seeing this the boston series last year, right? Like that's not why they lost the Boston, but you get him in game seven

Maybe it's one nothing Bobby McMahon wins a loose puck and it's two nothing and all of a sudden the game's over Well, hey is how often have we talked about this year the lack of secondary? Scoring from this team like that's been a massive talking point all year long and in the playoffs when the big boys go quiet No one steps up and scores that goal right like they lose these games to one three two and it's just because no one else is able to step up when things go bad for for the stars but now you've got but Matthew nice who's been scoring some goals of late he's up to twenty goals Bobby McMahon who started the year you know third line for the year at a lineup actually exactly scratch nice run now all of a sudden he's what fourth on the team in goals

fourth fifth and goals and he's a huge secondary option he could play up and down the lineup he's trustworthy like you obviously see that Berube trusts him to play off in the offensive zone on the defensive zone he's really just a player that's really kind of blossoming it It's been a great, what, 27 years old? He broke in the league at 26 and he's turning into a quality middle six player. And it's just something that the Leafs really needed this year, especially with Marner, the injury that he's had, Matthew's the injuries situation and his goal scoring has definitely fallen off. They needed someone to step up and McMahon has done that.

Yeah, you look at it right now, Nylander 33 goals, Tavares 21, Matthew Nyes 21, Matthews 20, Bobby McMahon 17, Marner 16. So you're looking at three guys who are gonna have 20 plus on the season, or six guys that are gonna have 20 plus. And probably a number of them will hit 30. But that is significant to balance out the lineup because obviously up the middle and on the right side they've always had guys who can put up points and score and

that's still what is going to be the driving force for this team it's gonna be Matthews, Tavares, Nylander and Marner but Knives and McMahon are pulling their weight on the other side right that's been a conversation we've had really since Hyman left is where do they find some depth and some strength on the left side of the lineup and who is going to contribute offensively you can't just constantly be revolving and moving different pieces in and out and Nyes continues to do it McMahon continues to do it and it's opened the door I think for Barube to really move his lineup around and like last night again I thought the Matthews line they

look they look good they look comfortable and they told me clearly is trying to salvage the opportunity ruby didn't love that tomorrow's smarner newlander thing thought it was a case that happened in vancouver you think they were back tomorrow back with matthews yeah matthews has gone five games that are gold yeah that that doesn't happen don't think ever i don't know I don't know if that's ever happened again.

But a lot of what happens, everybody talks about Max trying to get his game going, and I think he's been okay the last couple games. But when the big guy on the line has gone five without one, that's when things change. Hayes, I told you about the chain of command, about who needs to be cooking for things to stay in place. That's generally the way things go. How do you balance that out with they've won three in a row and they're playing well and they look pretty good. I don't think they played very well last night guys.

Let's be honest. They played well. I mean Seattle's not a very good team either. Seattle's not that great but I hear what you're saying. But the point is I thought they deserved the win in Calgary. I think in Edmonton they played great for 30 minutes and then they were on their heels but they held on and went won but this is the balancing act that Barube you know is going to be challenged with where

there's this perception of him as a coach like I don't care who you are I don't care what you make I don't care where you came from blah blah blah it's kind of like if you're a goalie coming up a shutout should you continue to play and if you're if you've won three in a row they've been very streaky last month fits when three at least three win three lose three like they've done it for straight times so maybe you're trying maybe you're not buying into okay we've won three in a

row so i'm gonna be a prisoner to that i know i you did it there's a lot of factors that go into it because he doesn't want to play vancouver and it'd be a spirited game. I know, but there's a lot of factors that go into it, because he doesn't want to play Vancouver and it be a spirited game and the last game before the break. And he doesn't want to have a first period where he hates the line combinations. And he's going to cook himself and say, why? I hated this the last game, so why didn't I just change it up?

And that may be a way from him getting away from the Matthews-Domey combination and just pointing out the second line where he could say, didn't really like that one. Yeah and that's what he said he didn't think they executed well they you know he said the whole team was you know not exactly sound with the puck last night at times but still you know you found a way to win you've won three in a row and like you said oh you if you find a way to get eight points on this road trip if you beat Vancouver tomorrow night that's a great way to go into the break, man.

I'm right. It's a great, great way. You're feeling good about yourself because keep like, oh, like you were talking about before, the sky was falling before they left on this road trip. Like their home starts had been abysmal and they're playing so poorly. They couldn't wait to get out on the road and now they've won three in a row. Right. You went in in you had a

gutsy victory against Edmonton you go and you score six in Calgary and then you grind out a win so you've had three variation W's but at the end of the day it's points in the bag and now all of a sudden right when you left for the home trip you're looking at the standings Ottawa's only two points back they're closer to third than first in the atlantic division when they left the road trip this one point back a first place in the atlantic i think i want to a six-point buffer now on tampa but i think moved up in the third place last night yet there are a far better spot than they were we could go yet the goal was to head out there

and and and into the break everybody feeling better about themselves sorry accomplish company just go for the kill now and go for the perfect road trip. Yeah and I think probably the most important component of that is that Stolar's play last night played as well as he did. He did. He didn't miss a beat Brian. No he didn't.

He had a flurry in the first period there. He was on the ice a lot last night. Yeah. Like and as a goalie coming off a surgery and a lower body injury that can be daunting. We talked a lot about it yesterday like psychologically overcoming that and he he was swimming at times like had it in check but he was he was in one throwing that leg out there he's tested it yeah look good we testing it and I would assume wall goes tomorrow night I'm not 100% certain that'll be the case but I think if regardless you feel good that

once you return from this two to a break you've got your and we're still going to be asking that question all the way until we get to the playoffs who's gonna start game one who's gonna be the man but if you get both of them plan well that that's you can rack up a lot of points yeah but you're just going to rack up a lot of points if you have a better goalie on eight nights at a ten you're gonna win a ton of games yeah and that's kind of where they're at right now um all right jesse palmer in about 15 minutes

are you guys surprised josh allen won the mvp of course no no i don't i don't understand the outrage i've been it's not it's not about it it's not outrage it's about the other guy winning the they all probably do yeah no no listen slow down al's brother. It's not... I was... I answered your question. No, no, I know but don't get... don't misinterpret me saying like I think Josh Allen should have won the MVP. Yes. That's not what I'm saying is the history would suggest whoever got voted first team all-pro gets the MVP. That's the surprise that I'm asking about because that has always been the case Whoever gets first team all-pro and it was Lamar Gets the MVP and that flip last night. So all the same voters who voted for Lamar to be first team How do you how does that make sense?

To me? How does it make any sense? Before you guys debate before you debate the actual award being presented Here's like here's a little trick for you TV-wise. If you don't see Lamar in the crowd, did anybody see him? That is a good question. I don't recall seeing him. If you're not seeing the other guy, there's a good chance that Lamar is...

Hit off? Yeah, well, yeah, because he's probably got to be saying, look man, you didn't win, so he goes, I'm not showing up like I'm not gonna show up for the you know the suspense so everybody could think you can double pan show both guys faces Josh Allen's the only guy that I saw well I you're right I didn't see I didn't see the the awards I just saw it being reported I know that while Burroughs doing the rounds everywhere Joe Burroughs is trying to convince the whole world to put pressure on Cincinnati yeah but, but you're right though. He, like, Alan had his parents there,

he had his fiance there, he probably might have been tipped off. Exactly. He's not, like, if you're going to go down there with your family, I'll never forget I was so pissed off. I went to the Canadian Hockey League Awards and I was convinced I was winning the Rookie of the Year for all of Canada, literally about to stand up because I won her for the OHL and the guy said Jeff Friesen, I almost passed out and I had to shake his, I had to stick my hand out and shake his hand, I was so devastated. Oh and his name's Jeff. Yeah, the guy's like Jeff and I had half an ass cheek off of the chair and he goes Friesen. Oh man, that's tough.. Dude it was tough man.

Hey congrats I knew it was going to be you. You deserve it freeze. Okay Alice brother go ahead and lay out your case for why there shouldn't be any outrage. It's not outrage. But they're online like you look at Twitter last night and everyone's saying that it's outrageous that the get because everyone's pointing to the stats and the season that Lamar Jackson have you can't take that away from him right statistically it was a top 10 quarterback season of all time right in terms of EPA and all the underlying numbers that odog absolutely adores and you can't take that away from that is absolutely true but this is this this is not like the CFL has the award it's called the most outstanding player yeah the best true. But this is this this is not like the CFL has the award.

It's called the most outstanding player. Yeah, the best MVP. And this is the issue that I think a lot of people have with the MVP award. The middle word there is valuable, right? And when I break it down to me, at least, Josh Allen was far more valuable to his team's success, a team that had more wins than Lamar Jackson's Ravens, by the way, than Lamar Jackson was to his team. So when you break it down, who was the most valuable player? It was Josh Allen, hands down. I agree with you. I agree, I believe Josh Allen,

it was justified that he won the MVP. I was just not preparing for that because of the All-Pro history. First team All-Pro, it's the same voters, generally whoever gets that gets the MVP. But I completely agree with your assessment that I thought Allen had a phenomenal, they both had phenomenal years. Joe Burrow had a great year. If it was MOP, I think Saquon Barkley would have won it last night. I think if it's the most outstanding player, I think Barkley probably would have won it.

Well, because then it's offensive player of the year. The year with Saquon is basically the numbers the guy put up were historic. He would have passed Eric Dickerson, I believe, in week 17 if he played. The guy's numbers, I think if he runs 30 yards, he breaks a new like record over Terrell Davis, I think it was, right? Single season, full year playoffs and regular season. And the impact impact he had on them but I do think Allen should have been one I would have gone Lamar to and then the rest is history it's relevant who else should be 2723 was a boat split so close it just to me when I break it down

to value like if you look at the Baltimore Ravens in the offense that they had and you look at the bill I mean just look at look at who got voted in to all pros yeah they had a bunch of no pros and there was only two guys who were voted all pro on Buffalo Deon Dawkins his left tackle and Josh Allen nine players going to the Pro Bowl for the Baltimore Ravens so you take away Josh Allen from that Buffalo Bills team how many games do they win yeah no, no, I hear it. Now, let's be clear. If you replace Lamar Jackson with, you know, a terrible quarterback, then they're not going to the playoffs either.

I don't know if I believe that because they still had Derek Henry running the football. You think the Ravens are going, so you tell me, you give me the 30th best quarterback in the league, statistically. You think the Ravens are making the playoffs? I think they have a better chance than the Buffalo Bills. Do you think they're making the playoffs? Do they make the playoffs? Probably not. They would be in a fight for a playoff spot but take the league average quarterback let's say. I think you take a league average QB you put them on

Buffalo you take a league average QB you put them on Baltimore they both play the same schedule. I think Baltimore ends up with more wins and makes a playoffs that I would agree with that I would agree with but I still think you have it like I've heard that argument applied and it's accurate But it's also a little bit misleading because Lamar still apply like supplies wins that are pretty significant Like he's still a winning quarterback. He's the runner-up. Exactly. I hear you. You guys want to know the stupidest thing I saw yesterday? I think Tyreek Hill's agent put out some feelers and probably understands that nobody wants them.

And he was apologizing to Tua today and he's like, my whole team, I'm sorry. Where at the end of the season, he was like, I of here man. Yeah, dude this guy sat down with Kay Adams He fake cried we have it. Do you want to hear it? Do you want to see it? Why please? Okay? Here's Tyree kill from earlier today You know toa he's my guy always my guy no matter what I'm sure like he understands my my frustration like we all want to win toa he's another competitor He's a hell of a competitor a lot of people don Tua, he's another competitor. He's a hell of a competitor. A lot of people don't know that. He's a winner. He's consistent.

So I'm looking forward to, you know, just us continuing to build our relationship, man, even more. I love that you're- And this is my public apology. I love that this is important. Is that what that is? Please.

This is my public apology to you, Tua. I love you, bro. But take it, I mean, are you sort of wanting to say you're sorry your team? Oh god. Yeah But I mean but they already know that though like they know I'm not that kind of player though I'm not I like a lot of people may say Oh Rick is a hothead. He's this he's that but a lot All my teammates know bro, like I come to work every day. I bust my tail I show up to meetings on time and I do what I gotta do Okay, that little is a thousand. Oh

Owens was it not that was that's my quarterback. That's the worst fake crying I've ever seen Oh, and if I'm anybody in Miami, I'm like now really get rid of them Well, I think there's I think you're on to something that they he knows He's losing money probably like in Miami would be in a position to give him the most money or if they cut him, he's gonna lose money. And listen, people would sign him, there'd still be a big, big marketplace for Tyreek Hill. But you know, that Miami lifestyle is a significant one.

And you know, I'm gonna give credit where it's due. Like if you're gonna go back in there, you have to address the fact that right when you lost at the end of the season you said i'm out this team basically stinks i can't win here i want to win but he he really tore strip off that dolphins organize everything everything so if you're going to go back you kinda have to address that and i guess tyree kill

managed to do i don't know how much weight to ask but there's a chance to assess don't even think about bringing that guy back in the air yeah i don't i don't think to it deserves like josh allen type levels of like now it's the fondant's out of here so i can breathe uh... but to as the guy that committed to to us to as a quarterback down there uh... are jesse palmer coming up his take on all of this including looking ahead of the super bowl on sunday mike johnson on the Leafs last night.

Sid not playing tonight, right? We don't know what's going to happen with Sidney Crosby, but by Monday at 5 p.m. Four nations. All the rosters have to be set. So is he going to play? If not, who's going to step in? We'll get to that as we move forward here. And Lucas coming up, Azenbro versus Owen Wilson. Picks will be made at six o'clock, six o'clock today. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 4.

Overdrive continues powered by Fandual bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score. Brian Hayes, the ODUG Jeff O'Neil, Al's brother in here. Jesse Palmer coming up, Mike Johnson coming up. So Bobby Webster on first up this morning, he had his presser and I'm starting to kind of turn a corner on this brandon ingraham approach and where things are going here with the rafters sucker

but now i am so i am i am the way it's kind of being described also the only time you take is for half a year well give me an example of a half a year tank. Here's the thing. For starters, they're not going to be lower in the standings than they already are. You're not dropping to like the second worst team, third worst team. The teams that are below them are all horrendous and they're going to lose out and it's just not going to happen. So at best you're going to have like fifth or sixth best odds to win

the lottery. Like that's where they're going to be. I think they probably know that's where they're going to be with or without Brandon Ingram. He's probably barely going to play. When he does, there'll be a ton of load management. So Webster's made it pretty clear if you listen to him today, like they're still tanking for this year. For this year they're going to tank. He still said they're continually rebuilding. Yes. This year.

But what they basically did, it's the same thing they did with Portal, but the timing's different because Portal, they still had Van Vliet and C. Ackerman. It was like, what are you doing? You're delaying the inevitable. It was basically a free agent signing in the form of a trade. Essentially. Like that's what it is. They got ahead of it. Yeah. They've already agreed to the deal. He's going to sign here and whether it's the right piece or not, we'll find out. But that's what this was. It was a free agent signing in the form of a trade. And that's what it's going to be. So they're still gonna tank.

They're still gonna be one of the worst teams in the league. And we'll see if Ingram really pops next year. It's a gamble, but it's one that I think is worth taking because at some point you're gonna try to move up and that's what they're gonna do. They don't wanna be lost for five years, six years, seven years. And I don't think anyone really has the

stomach for that that's my two cents we'll see you guys can respond a little bit later on but uh... we got a guy on the line here ensures buzzing for sunday i'm sure is a lot of uh... different takes on what we saw yesterday around the nfl right including josh allen winning the mvp here is our tsn nfl

analyst jesse palmer a doing jesse right including Josh Allen winning the MVP here is our TSN NFL analyst Jesse Palmer. How you doing Jesse? Guys doing awesome. How are you? Happy Super Bowl week. Yes, love it. We're doing well. The Hall of Fame actually was announced last night.

I guess we'll begin with Eli. Eli Manning was not a first ballot Hall of Famer. How did you respond to that? Not overly surprised just to be clear. I mean, I think Eli is going to get in eventually. The best way I would sum it up is if you look at Eli's career, I would say he's had Hall of Fame moments. I don't, you know, but a lot of people don't feel like he's had the Hall of Fame career, no MVPs, no first team, all pros, anything like that. I mean, obviously the two Superbowl wins against Tom Brady and winning the

Superbowl MVP in those games, I think is the strongest case. And ultimately I think that is what's going to get him in. I think right now he sits 11th in career passing yards and career passing touchdowns. So statistically, if from that standpoint he gets in, I think the problem right now is that from a career standpoint in 16 years, he's got a 500 winning percentage. But historically, if you look at guys like Dan Fouts and Warren Moon, they had similar career winning percentages and both of those guys were first team,

first ballot, all the famers. Warren Moon actually never even reached a conference championship game in his NFL career. And so, you know, I think it's just a matter of time for him. It's not surprising he didn't get the first ballot. By the way, Michael Strahan didn't get a first ballot. Chris Carter didn't get a first ballot.

Theo didn't get a first ballot. So, you know, John Randall didn't get a first ballot. Um, Chris, Chris Carter didn't get a first ballot. Theo didn't get a first ballot. So, you know, John Randall didn't get a first ballot. So I mean, it's, it's, it's not surprising to me. He didn't get in, but I do think he is going to get it now. It may not be next year though, cause you look at next year, Drew Brees, uh, is available. Uh, Philip Rivers is available. Bill Belichick is available. Um, Jason Whitten available, very, veryick is available, Jason Whitten is available, very good, and Harold is available. So it's going to be a huge discussion next year too. But I do think it is a matter of time before he does get in.

Jesse, the guy in KC is a slam dunk to get in, we all know that. And as far as the game Sunday, he's the guy that never loses. But Philadelphia just watching NFL live and all the shows in the states all week. People are describing the Eagles and they have all week and they have for quite some time as the best roster in football. So if you had a choice, like if a random fan was going to pick between the best roster and the guy that kind of missed her clutch and doesn't really lose what should they take I? Take mr.. Clutch. I mean I mean because Just look how good he's been it just look how good he's been in the biggest games. You know throughout his career and

So there's nothing about the best roster with seq one that says maybe that's the recipe to take him down Absolutely, I mean listen there, there's no question, in my mind, Philadelphia's the best roster in the NFL this year. You know, there are a lot of people that also think this is the best team that Mahomes and Andy Reid have played in the Super Bowl so far, even better than Tom Brady's Bucks,

with that defense and Antonio Brown and all those guys too. I think that's personally debatable. I mean, listen, I mean, I think what makes Philadelphia different from the team that got beat by the Chiefs a couple of years ago is Saquon Barkley. You can just mention it yourself. I mean, they're explosive now running the football. One play can be a home run at any given moment.

And you combine that with the best youths in the NFL statistically, and that feels like a recipe, but here's what I know about the cheats. They've won 15 straight games by seven points or less. Think about that for a second. This scheme straight, like this is a team that knows how to win close games. You see that's been the theme for them all season long. And listen, luck plays a big part of that by the way. And there've been some games where, you know,

got kickers have, have doinked kicks off the uprights. We've seen quarterbacks fumble snaps late in games that have secured wins for the Chiefs. But dude, with Mahomes, he's the best third down quarterback in the NFL this year during the regular season and it actually got better in the postseason I saw some crazy stat this week they went back and they looked at every quarterback in play NFL playoffs history in the modern era and they were looking

at how successful they were on drives at the end of the game where they were trailing and they needed either a field goal or a touchdown to Get it to OT or to win the game and they were looking at the percentage of Times that quarterback was able to come through for his respective team and Tom Brady was like that 50% I think Drew Brees is at 60% I want to say Mahomes is something like 7 for 7 or 13 for 13 like a hundred percent Like which the game on the line. there's never been a guy more clutch than Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs.

It's like Joe Montana stuff. And so, I mean, yeah, like I hear what you're saying about the roster. I totally get it. I mean, Jalen Hurts was was effectively Superman. The last time these teams played in the Super Bowl, and that still wasn't enough to get it done. And so, I mean I mean Listen Kansas City still has other good players too Outside of just my homes, but to me that's the guy that makes the difference and that's why I have a really really hard time picking against that

So if that's the case you're on the field after the game, let's say the Eagles win Do you think the story will be the Eagles winning and how they did or will it be the Chiefs losing and what happened in Mahomes? I think it'll be the Eagles winning and what they did. I think if they win this game I think Saquon goes off. First off I think Saquon will have to have a monster game. They're also gonna have to have balance and I think AJ Brown and Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard and all those guys are gonna have to get theirs too. I think they have to have, Jalen Hurts has to have a day throwing it. It's good news for them, by the way, that they've had an extra week of healing time for Jalen Hurts and his left knee. But to me, the big story will probably be Philadelphia's defense, I think.

I mean, I think if you're going to slow down Patrick Mahomes, it's going to come from the past rush. And we know that the Chiefs this year, they've had problems protecting from homes. I think he's been sacked 41 times when you count the regular season and the postseason combined and they've had all of these issues with their left tackle. Nolan Smith for the Eagles has basically been unblockable, um, and in the postseason, I think he has four sacked throughout the course of the playoffs. So no, no question. If the Eagles pull this off, it's gotta be about what they did

to unseat a team that no one's really been able to figure out in the postseason with with one of the all-time great quarterbacks and one of the all-time great coaches on their side. Well, I mean, I think Saquon has to have a big game, but when you look at Jalen Hurts, the last time that these two teams met in the Super Bowl, he did throw for over 300 yards. Do you feel like he's kind of being slept on a little bit as a guy who could impact the game here this weekend? Yeah, I mean I think I don't know if people believe it's the old formula of just hey let's just run the ball with stake one play great defense we win in the trenches we win the Super Bowl. I don't honestly I mean that that generally that generally is the formula that you, that you would follow.

And there's probably a lot of other teams in Superbowl history you can point back to and say, that's exactly what they did. And that's why they won. The bears have 85 pop out Ravens, um, uh, we're trying to do for that team, but I feel like to beat my homes, it's gotta be more. So you're right. I mean, it does have to be more jail and hurts. And, and you know, he, he talked after they, they just pummeled Washington in the NFC title game, I just post-conference, uh, post game press conference.

And he said, you know, surrionny finally kind of took the straight jacket off me a little bit and kind of, kind of let me loose. Let me throw it. There's no, there's no doubt in my mind that he's going to have to do more of that. Like Philadelphia is way too talented at wide receiver and at tight end. For those guys not to be able to make plays in this one, they absolutely have got to do that. You know Kansas City's defense is going to come into this thing saying rule number one is we have to stop Seagorn Barkley. The second thing they've got to do is they've

got to stop the push putt. Which I mean I think we talked about this I think I talked about this on Monday morning quarterback, but in the AFC title game, I'm ridiculously good with Kansas city's defense on Josh Allen's quarterback me. I mean, a six foot five, 240 pound quarterback tried to sneak it six times. They stuffed him four times. And they did it once on force down. It was huge. Now, if you go back, I mean, that's, that's, I know like quarterback sneaks, you know,

in the is a micro shock and obviously at the game. But I feel like when you play the Eagles and you play Jaylen hurts, that's a big part of being able to get off the field. And by the way, the last time these two teams played in the super bowl, I think Jaylen hurts for two touchdowns on quarterback sneak. I can't say they actually struggled with that. So if there's kind of an, like a weird area of the game that you're looking at in this one that

that might determine it when Philly gets into third and one and fourth and one, if Kansas City does what they did against Josh Allen and the Bills, man, that is huge for the chiefs. Jesse, Tom Brady. And I mean, we talked about my home was being Mr. Clutch like that guy was Mr. Clutch for the Pats and then he got it done again with the Bucks. What do you think he's going through with his first Super Bowl up on Sunday? I mean, do you think he's got nerves and how do you think he's been overall as far as the color guy?

Yeah, I'm sure he's got nerves. He's probably got excitement though. I mean, that was a guy that just thrived in playing in big games. So I think that probably translates to his broadcasting as well. He's probably so excited to get up in the booth and call that game, just just understanding the stage. And I mean, it's, it's, I think it's fun for all of us at least watching the game to, to hear from, from a guy. No one's ever done it more, right? No one's ever,

no one's ever won that game more than that guy and been in those moments. So I think it'll be a lot of fun. I've been a fan of Tom listening to him this year, honestly. I mean, from a guy, I can speak to it firsthand, at least having played the position, not, not anywhere near the level he did, but then make that transition to the booth. It's tough. It's daunting. And there are a lot of things, a lot of fundamentals and mechanics that I think go into broadcasting and calling games that probably a lot of people at home aren't aware of.

And the only way you ever get control of that, the only way you get used to that stuff is like anything else. It's just reps and calling games. So I mean, he's on a big stage in his first year of doing this. There's going to be, I don't even know how many people around the world are going to be watching this game. It's the biggest stage in sports. So obviously a lot of pressure on him, but like, is he making like $35 million a year

or something? Yeah. He's got to meet the moment, doesn't he, for 35 sheets? I think so. Yeah. I think so. Yeah, I think so. You know, but, but listen, I mean, if there was ever a guy built to do that based on his own experience, you got to think it's in. So I'm, I'm excited. And what, what's going to help him too, I think is, you know,

I'm expecting this to be a close game. I'm expecting this to probably go deep into the fourth quarter. Um, for broadcasters, you know, for broadcasters that, that always helps, you know, staying locked into the moment and me actually knows a bit also but they're where i'm sure you're gonna be great yeah it's gonna be a fun one sunday enjoy jesse we always appreciate you find a time for us

you can get a procedure there's a jesse palmer tsn nfl analyst and it is the code of broadcasting well i'm talking to somebody like that's asked for any type of advice doing this gig I'm like the goal is Jesse Palmer he looks good he talks he's got thoughts and it comes out smoothly yeah and it's got some energy to it there's not much to it other than that right yeah he's a crossover guy like he's doing the bachelor that guys who are never the cooking show he had to be having everything and over driving amazing race to that as well

he copies died because the new hold on to that final rose i've got al's brother and i know i have uh... hold on guys duties calling me yes uh... yeah that i'm sure it's high on his list of uh... achievements hold on guys duties calling me uh... yeah that i'm sure it's high on his list of uh... achievements through his career is talking to us uh... you know biweekly throughout the season but

if it is a blowout does it turn into tom brady storytime uh... but i don't know how to handle that with those guys a story time because nobody cares anymore you're just like I remember that time you did this Noodles and MJ are MJ and Gord noodles and Gord like if it's a blowout They literally start talking hockey stories and stupid stuff. Yeah, that's the only way to go I'll be curious though because obviously, you know us us in the media We're having that conversation my homes versus Brady at what point does he get to Brady status goat status maybe eclipse him like is it is

it over hard doing the play by play with them yeah like does he have the Cahones to have that conversation who Brady that's like if like that question but if you're blowing if it's a chiefs blowout conversation midway through the fourth quarter asking him if Mahomes is better than him. Well, what about this? What about asking the Stephen A. Smith comment where it's like, if Mahomes gets this three-peat, he's the goat, man.

Exactly. There's no question. Do you think old Kurt would bring that up? I don't think so. You want to talk about getting the eyes? Could you imagine Tom Brady looking at him? Like, it's 35 to 3 by the Chiefs in the fourth quarter and Overhart goes well pal. Let me ask you a question here, and it's

Do you think Mahomes is better than you or is past you hurt? Do you want to eat out of a straw for the rest of the game? I would if I was brave look at him and say wait until he comes back from a 28 to 3 Second half deficit before we have that conversation. That's how you respond to that question. And here's the thing, Brady though, like the move in sports always is to be graceful and probably say yeah I think he has or I think he's on my level, hey I love that guy. What would be great is if he did, like if he pulled an Eric Dickerson, it's like no I don't think he is and I don't want him to be.

I don't want this guy to catch me. I don't think he's going to catch me. I don't think he can catch me. That's a statement. Well, he's got seven Super Bowls, Brady. Yeah, six in New England, one in Tampa. This would be four for Mahomes. It's pretty amazing.

Like he catches Montana with his fourth here. Montana had four, Bradshaw at four I'm trying to think of who else I think that's it in terms of the all-time greats or anyone for that matter I mean because Brady once he passed them I don't think anyone's got five or six it's like Montana Bradshaw maybe Mahomes as of Sunday and then Brady's it's that's it Akeman's got three A.B. Mahomes as of Sunday and then Brady's at 7. That's it. Aikman's got three and then yeah. You got a bunch of dudes with two.

Manning's got two. Yeah, Eli's got two. All right, Mike Johnson coming up in 15 minutes. Al's brother get a few lists for us. There are a couple of different lists we're gonna get to today. Dear Hazy B as well at 6.30, Overdrive Continues, TSN 1050N on the TSN app.

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The class of 2025 football hall of Fame was announced yesterday congrats to everyone getting in It is a formality obviously as we know that Tom Brady will be going in in 2028 I just saw Darren Rovelle tweet out that He's already starting to like Basically prepare for that and to like basically prepare for that and he's starting to prepare like starting his speech Brady 2028 Hall of Fame inscriptions are starting to be signed like in anticipation that's how much of a baller this guy is that he is already preparing for which I hope leads to a point for the first time ever where he doesn't act like he's

surprised that he got the call and every athlete i couldn't believe it all i'd i flushed the call i was like i wasn't even expecting it yes you were tom i would make david goes like i will if i'm lucky enough to play for canada uh... and i don't think that you don't have to say that we get it you're trying to be humble we understand it but but I prefer the honesty. I'm a lock I'm gonna be playing a ton of minutes and if I'm not John Cooper's gonna hear from me and everyone as you said I

Mean even even when he committed to the broadcast booth you were convinced that guy was coming out of retirement to play again. I Feel like he probably still could and be better than a lot of quarterbacks in the league. I do, but it's over now. You think a team would pick up a call? Who would you? Here's the question. If Goodell said, NFL teams, Brady, we want you back in the league, who says no? Is it Brady or the teams? Well well he's an owner now and it

complicates things but it's still the idea of Brady playing again it's probably Brady I mean the ship is sailed he's Don he's comfortable now he's retired it's a great lifestyle any teams taking a shot on Tom Brady I think it's him what if he opened up and said any of the 32 teams I will go if someone wants me, one of those teams. Who would have more suitors today, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady? Aaron Rodgers. That is a good question.

Probably Roger, like he's playing, like he's still playing. He's still playing and he still put up decent numbers last year. Like bringing in Brady would just be a whole nother element. Whole different element, leadership, all that stuff. Alright, Hour 2 coming up. Mike Johnson will join us. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 4.

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