OverDrive - OverDrive - January 17, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' victory against the Devils, Auston Matthews and William Nylander's impressive performance and the Maple Leafs' matchup against the Canadiens in Montreal. They also discuss the Blue Jays in the Roki Sasaki's sweepstakes and TSN Canucks Reporter Farhan Lalji joins to discuss the fallout of the Elias Pettersson and J.T. Miller's situation in Vancouver.

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And up on TSN for Brian Hasey, O'Duck, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, MacLennan. What's going on? What's happening? Mail it in Friday, we love it. And with good vibes, Hasey B, I would imagine after the Leafs performance last night, you've kind of gotten out of your stupor much like the Leafs did. I think so, yeah.

I mean... He's been crabby the last couple of weeks. He has not been as satisfied. I've been holding people accountable. Like that's... I think I have a civic duty to do that. I'm trying to keep people accountable. That's how I operate here.

Really? Now all of a sudden you're the barometer, right? You're the... That's right. I'm Mr. Accountability. I'm a genius, right? I got a funky middle name. I told you yesterday with Vestchuk, the only problem I have is when you get negative material, there's no other way around it.

It's just not good. But what I can't do anymore is, right or wrong, if they lose three games and they're in first place, I can't go back during the regular season and say, these are the guys that never get it done in the playoffs. That is one avenue that I've waved goodbye to. I've gone down that road and that ship is gone. We're not going to address how the regular season could apply to future playoff success or failure. That's what you're establishing this week. Well, that's what every, like even fans, the fans come out to me and they're like, see at the three game loss, they're in first place in their division.

Like I told you these were the guys and it's like, so William Nylander settled down. Well, I guess it was kind of an Aaron Rodgers play from Willie, right? Dude, it absolutely was. Everyone relaxed. It's all good. We're gonna figure it out But if you're gonna play that game, you're gonna say what Willie's back it up, man You better back it up and what I will give a ton of credit to William Nylander packed it up last night and Austin Matthews backed it up last night and that's that was the difference was you know, the two highest paid players

You know, I don't know if they're the two most important players. I think Matthews certainly would be in that group. I think Marner's in there, Willie, Joseph Wall, Jake McCabe had a great night, Chris Tanev, et cetera. But I guess they put their money where their mouth was. That's kind of what it was last night. They needed those two guys because the game was it was in peril like you know the points were in peril like sorry wasn't that promising I

mean they were you know it didn't look great at times yeah that's the thing that gear you're chasing the game with five minutes left in the in the game they've had chances there were chances at both ends at that I had to go back and watch the game obviously but it was I was a good game Both games get early entertaining game. Yeah, always more fun When there's lead changes and and this is what we've seen a lot over the nine years is that type of Behavior and that type of I guess game playing out like how often have we seen that in the Matthews Marner Nylander era? Heroics in the third period like last year matthews did that ten times

Where he just said screw it jump on my back in the third? I'm gonna score we're gonna go to overtime and we're gonna close it They did that so many times last year And I think that's what was refreshing was it did have a bit of a throwback vibe to it that you know no lead was safe if you're in New Jersey because 34 was chugging and Willie was chugging and I thought Marner played well I thought Domi had a good night and the Leafs just kept plugging along and pushed it to overtime and all of a sudden the losing Street comes to an end and it had to last night. Yeah, it had to you can't go four in a row

Montreal won again in Dallas last night, dude. They're on fire They're on fire. That's real Canadians are on fire You see how much fun they're having after the game the high fives with the coaches like they I Don't know where they got this goalie from I never heard of the guy but he's dynamite like they're just they're awesome right now I know yeah But I like that they're not like he's not starting every night right like they're giving him like I would be shocked if he plays Tomorrow, I think you play mountain ball tomorrow like to me. I think he's their guy, but it just You know it's a great story. I think the Canadians

Early in the season it looked awful for them and and now it looks amazing I still think they're somewhere in the middle personally. That's just how I feel about them I feel they're somewhere in the middle, personally. That's just how I feel about them. I feel they're somewhere in the middle of a team that's turned the corner out of a rebuild heading north, put it that way. Because the Hudson kid's a player. Like he's a flat out player.

And I think you just, I'd love to see what he's gonna look like with 200 games under his belt. You know, have they found like Montemols, they're one, he's a good goaltender. If this is their goalie of the future that played last night, like he looks like a nice goal turn. I think he, it's kind of like the kid in Ottawa. Maryland and Dovish, man, the two of them. It's still early on.

You don't know what they are. Like what the hell's going on with the other guy in Ottawa? Is it with the pink scarf, the thousand dollar scarf? Does he ever play? Honestly, what is he putting his gear on or what? Yes, apparently so yes He's been skating and I think he's closer than not like put it this way. He's close to closer to playing That's what I hear. I don't know again the pink scarf a thousand000 scarf. I guarantee you that is a $1,000 scarf. I undersold it. That thing's probably $4,500.

It could be. Yeah, no question. It could be. He's making money. He's making $8.5 million for the next four years. Yeah, but my other takeaway from Leaguewide last night was that's check please for JT Miller. I think that's probably it for him. You think so, eh? I really do. I thought it was going to be like him and Pederson and

Quinn Hughes, Jimmy Rutherford sit down and iron it out and let's, you know, we're a good team with all of us together. But watching his body language and the presser after, I was like, that's a guy who's decided he's moving on and that's what it looks like to me like I don't think he's gonna does man and it sounds like it you know he had a he had a weird presser earlier in the day or I guess after the last game and certainly last night the same thing and he didn't play a lot you know on the 401 goal that's that was basically all him and it's not just JT Miller again they can't at home They got real issues at home. They thought they straightened it out last week when they beat the Leafs and played well.

Then they got pumped by Winnipeg. And now LA got them badly last night. But yes, Miller looks like he's moping around. Rick Tauke looked like last night he's kind of had enough of it. And it's got a Jimmy Butler vibe. It's Jimmy Butler Miller. It's a distraction. So how long do you want it to go on for?

And I've been around scenarios where guys have made it clear they want it out. I played in Hartford and Brendan Shanahan wanted to go to Detroit and that was quick. It was gone the next day. But when you let it linger like this, you guys get moping around. And they can save their season. That's the crazy thing. The West is so top heavy. The spot is available for them. It is because it's really, I looked at it today,

it's Vancouver, Calgary, and St. Louis. For that one spot, really. And the rest are kind of cemented in. And Seattle's like six points back of those three. So I think it's I think it's those three fighting for one spot. On paper Vancouver is the best team out of the three of them and I think St. Louis I think Jimmy Mott's might have something going there though. This St. Louis team won't go away. They're

they're hovering. And it's the same thing. Sorry I misspoke five. No. Yeah Utah's five out. Anaheim Seattle like that. You got it on the nose. I mean, it's been established that the second wild card spot is available and it's Calgary, Vancouver, St. Louis. And that's the thing about this where if you're in Vancouver and you're real in and LA beats up on you and you lose to Winnipeg and they've had issues scoring and you know, Demko has been pretty inconsistent when he's played.

This is, you got to do something to salvage your season and I don't know, what hurts is that you could be selling JT Miller for 50 cents on the dollar here and he's got some control based on his contract in terms of where he's going to go what he wants but i i also believe that jim rutherford has enough poll in respect in the league that he's he can't he could get a pretty good deal out of them like gm's are going to take advantage of jim rutherford

you know like he's not not a lot of say no give you a seventh round right we're not just going to top on the. Oh, they would get a deal for JT Miller It just may not be as good as it should be when he's playing at his best He's a truly impact players the hell of a player I just I would love you know in a candid moment to know what the whole issue is and we might never know you might Be two years from now. I know there's lots of rumors and everybody thinks they know. I don't know. I can't trust everybody who thinks that they say, oh, I saw this and look at the body language there and look at, you know, Pedersen's reaction to this. And, you know, you've got a lot of forensic experts on Twitter trying to break it all down.

To me, I think it's, if you have to move away from the player, it sucks because he's a hell of a player. You're right. I don't know if you get the same player from the player it sucks because he's a hell of a player you're right I don't know if you get the same player back if there's a one-for-one trade out there Who is it it like everyone is a bandage ad for JT Miller? I don't know like I I think Miller's a better player than Zabana Jeb but the bandage adds a top-tier player too He's a number one standard. What if the Jersey Devils are willing to give up their captain for him? Oh, I don't Jersey Devils are willing to give up their captain for them. Oh, I don't... The eco-heasher, is that what you're saying?

Heasher for Miller? Yeah. Yeah. Heasher's been pretty good. You're just talking size? He's been pretty good. No, I'm just saying, like, what if a team like the Devils called up and they said they wanted to get a bigger guy?

I can see that. I mean, I don't know about Heasher. That's the kind of trade you're looking at. I don't know if Jersey would even want to contemplate doing that. Yeah, I yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's that just kind of came out of left field. You made me think about that. But I don't know.

I I think it's more, you know, you're looking at two two teams that need a change. That's probably what you've got. Five or six teams in that in that you're not going to Chicago. No, he's not going to. He's not going to just get dumped to a bad. Some teams some teams good looking at it saying what's gonna bite is some team that things JT Miller could put us over the top that that's that's what would need to happen yes here's crazy so you're saying the team what about the team here well it would depend on what's going the other way that that's

obviously that's what makes it yeah you'd be getting into a Joe from the bridge type of package yeah yeah Joe from the Bridge type of package. Okay, let me, yeah. Joe from the Bridge packages, Nick Robertson, Philippe Myers of first to Vancouver for JT Miller. Yeah, I mean, that's obvious. No, that's not, that's too rich for Joe from the Bridge. It's given away the rights to Denny Malgin and, you know, a third rounder.

And that should call it, we'll it, square right there, right? Something like that. That's a joke from the pit. O's option was actually too lopsided in favor of Vancouver. So you couldn't do that. We'd have to kind of move the pieces around a little bit. But it does seem like it should happen now. It's got to happen.

Crazier things have happened though in sports, where you prepare for it, and then it just doesn't take place because they don't get the deal or whatever. But I will say if it ends up happening, the spotlight will be on Miller, because once you get out, I don't know if he's injured or banged up, he looks like he's laboring at times,

but if you're trying to get out, you get out, then you better snap out of it wherever you go next. You better revitalize your career and conversely Elias Pettersson better be a player when JT Miller goes no no by far your best player Superstar because that guy isn't pulling his weight either I mean nowhere close to it for the man you say that's the first guy you go to saying if that was the problem that was Kind of bothering you every day. It's gone.

So let's see what you got there, bud. Top line, I'm playing you 23 minutes tonight. You better be ready to play and you better start putting up some numbers because they need them. They need their superstar players because there's an opportunity to salvage the season and still make the playoffs. Dude, I said yesterday, Hayes, I hate it for the organization. I hate it for the fan base. How they had last year and it's like, okay, you got talk in there, he wins coach

of the year, the team's dialed in and you take Edmonton to the brink and then all of a sudden it turns into a gong show? It's just, like you've got to be thinking if you're a Canucks fan, like, what, we can't have nice things, we can't have a good team for 10 years? It sucks. Or five years even? Yeah. It sucks. I mean, there's no other way to put it.

It's just... Yeah. It's been regression instead of... Well, yeah, they had a two or three year gong show leading up to last year and they finally turn it around and now what? We get this? I'd be like, God, oh boy. Well, that's it.

Well, here's something I'll say. Exactly. I... If they make the playoffs, do you give Quinn Hughes some some heart trophy? Yes. Votes. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is the only guy that's like he's worth the price of admission every night.

He scored that goal last night. You're like, OK, that's just that's just plays every night. Puts up numbers. Guys, the guys unreal. I mean, there's the updated odds courtesy of Fando McKinnon seventh right now McDavid dry saddle halibut Capri's off Kuturov Quinn Hughes Oh look at McDavid. He shot up there didn't he? All the haze the last the last two nights he's been gross

I don't know if you've watched like it all things great. because this guy here now i'd like to ask you how to address something quickly i want to adjust my numbers two percent uh... i'm going to get to a person from that that was jerry said wednesday you said one percent i said one has had almost blew up his body i said i was insulting is insulting i'm going to double it i'm doubling it in two days.

I'll tell you what. I think that's actually really kind of me moving the goalpost here. I give McDavid a 2% chance of winning the heart. You said on Wednesday, and then I don't know if you watched him play Wednesday night. No, it was unbelievable. And then last night was gross too. They spotted them a 3-0 lead in Colorado on a back-to-back. And then McDavid and Dry Settle said, that's actually not going to happen. spotted them a three nothing lead in colorado on a back to back and then mcdavid and dry

saddle said that's actually not going to happen we'll just go ahead and win this stuff in reg which is also impressive. Yeah, I mean listen Edmonton is he looks good. He looks good. I like what I see. 2% haze I love it. I'm up I see. 2% haze. I love it. I'm up to 2%. 2% milk.

I mean, who knows? Maybe it will be cream. It will be 10% by the end of next week. I'm going to adjust my numbers as I see fit. But listen, the guy is the best player in the world, but based on his standard, it hasn't been the greatest year. But I also would say, I shouldn't say it hasn't been the greatest year it's been a great year but Dry Saito I still think has been more valuable to that team. I agree.

With how great McDavid's been the last two games he missed five and Dry Saito was incredible Dry Saito leads the league in points or in goals he's right there in points he's got all these game winners and first goals in games you know lead changing tie all these like really important statistics that are important for teams. Dry Saddle's driving that. So I'm not surprised that McDavid, Dry Saddle are in the hunt, McKinnon's in the hunt,

Hughes should be in the hunt, Hallebuck, I don't know what Hallebuck did to drop. What did Hallebuck do in the last few days? He just had a 2-1 win last night on the note. Why are his odds lower now, all of a do in the last two one win last night on right like it just why are his odds lower now? All of a sudden unfundle what did what did hellebuck do to hurt his case? Somebody was thinking the same thing as you about McDavid and said alright. I'll double up my right I'll add it to three but I better be careful here with McDavid. He's on a bit of a heater

But yeah, I mean it's interesting I I think it was a James Myrtle who was tweeting about Austin Matthews and and Can he still chase like 50 goals on the season? Which I think is rich but James said the base based on his pace from a year ago I think he did the math and it could get up to like 48 on the season ever since he came back the second time, the guy's scoring basically every night. What I was impressed with last night, for starters, he's had two goals that are eerily similar this week.

The Otterger goal against Dallas and then the goal last night on Markstrom where he comes down the same wing, the off wing, and goes under the bar on mutants in net. Like Otterger and Markstrom are massive, massive guys. But that second goal, I thought the drive from the blue line, the power, he looked like himself. The way he reacts to scoring goals, he looks like himself. That is everything that the Leafs have needed. In terms of breaking through offensively, it always starts with the one guy like he's at the top of the pyramid and then everything else filters inappropriately

like look at this goal he takes off down the wing like he looked he looked great last night like some of these scorns of great goals again some of these defenses like you must be watching the tape if you kind of coach defense or defensive systems and like Jack Hughes last night was left wide open by himself in front of the net Austin Matthews is allowed to wheel right down Main Street with two minutes left or whatever the hell the clock is Connor McDavid left wide open in front of the net like are these guys insane out there like I know you talked to modern-day players They're like yeah, it's you know the games kind of bizarre and like happened so fast and this and that but that would drive you

like imagine leaving Connor McDavid around the front of the net untouched or Jack Hughes or and that's you know Oh the nightly thing you get from and you get it from coaches and players as i've talked to them on the road it just like and the game so fast you think you're going one way and all the sentence goes the other way like we are jake allen was that wednesday right now i can send he goes like a lot of chaos he goes as chaos in your trying to catch up to it that's the one thing the pace of the game is so high

that's why you don't see a lot of the physicality because guys circle and turn and it's, we used to, oh you were taught finish your check, stop on pucks. They don't stop on pucks anymore. They circle, they keep their speed going, right? So the details of the game are a lot different now, but that's where the big blunders come. Like I'm watching that Jack Hughes go, going, like, everyone's going north. All of a sudden the puck goes south and he's there by himself. He had two seconds, which is a lifetime in real time in hockey. He had two seconds to make a play. Especially a guy like that who will take the two seconds.

You put a fourth liner, that guy turns and whacks. Exactly. It's a hack and whack fest. Absolute hack. It turns and wax. Exactly. It's a hack and whack fest. It just pops out. It's just, oh, and then turns around and goes, damn, I had some time there. But you put a superstar and two seconds for him is 10 seconds for the average player. But you're right in terms of like, even though even Willie's going, I know three on three

is a totally different beast, but bad change, there's William neilander who gets more breakaways than anyone in the league oh yeah like that that that play there like the defenseman like what do you have been on risk of a park yeah and i was gonna change your coach was gonna change your head is senior had a change in both guys were wide like that's the weirdest part is both guys guys are outside the dots and he saw a knee lander come over the boards. Like knee lander came over the boards right in front of him and he was like, nah, I'm going to get off here, man.

Yeah that's the thing. The change on that side was a problem because the guy coming off just chewed a minus. Oh, no kidding. Can you imagine chewing on that? You just jump on it and you're chasing him down. I'll never forget the worst minus chewing of all time was I chewed two on empty net breakaways. The same player changed both times when a guy was on a breakaway with an empty net and I ice skated on to watch it. I've never wanted to wrap my stick around a teammate's head.

Oh, it's so gross. I guess you have to go on the ice, right? You can't say, no, I'm not. Well, you can't sit up there and look at the guy and say, am I really going to chew on this right now? But twice, like, and then the coach is in hero mode. I just pulled a goalie again. Same guy did it. And I'm like, you gotta be jodding. Did he do the dive over the boards to get off the ice? He felt no shame. No, you just keep skating.

No, you just click the door open one leg at a time. Click the door and not a peep from anybody. I was like, this is why we suck. Just keep skating. Yeah, that's what I called for. But yeah, it was a fun game. And tomorrow's going to be a blast, man. I was trying to think of it earlier today, like the last time, I know the Leafs and Habs

open the season every year, and there's meaning to that because it's opening night, but there isn't in terms of the standings or in terms of importance long term. I don't even think during the... Obviously, the playoffs series would be the example, clearly, but that was the playoffs and it's different than the regular season. I don't remember during the regular season in that Canadian bubble ever having any games against the Habs that really felt meaningful because the Leafs were going where they were going and the Habs were probably going to get in based on a formality of the way the

playoffs were going to work out. This feels like the biggest regular season game between the Leafs and the Habs I can think of in maybe a decade. Like I really, I couldn't think of another example. I'd be curious if Leafs or Habs fans want to tweet in, go ahead. At Hayes TSN, at Overdrive 1050. If you can think of a specific date over the last decade where a game felt bigger than

the one tomorrow night. Outside of that playoff series. Outside of the playoffs, of course. Yeah, I mean the playoffs goes without saying. The playoffs are different. I'm talking regular season. If you're just talking like juice it's been a long time. It's been a long time since these two teams had a game like that. Meaningful hockey right? That's what it is. Exactly. Meaningful hockey in mid-January where it's like. There's nothing better I can say this as a as a guy from Toronto. There's nothing better than Leafs halves on a Saturday

night. It is the greatest thing. No, no. It starts tomorrow at 10 a.m. walking around Montreal. I remember walking to the rink and it's like, this place is juiced up and cranked up already. It's the best. You can feel it, man. You can feel it. It's separate.

One of my favorite things, like it's regular season games, not that big a deal. I scored an overtime goal against Jose Theodore on Saturday night in Montreal. It was one of my favorite things that I've ever done. Can't beat that. Overtime, just ripped it under the bar. I'm like, that is awesome. Saturday night in Montreal overtime. Joe, try to find the goal. You got to find that goal.

Go down memory lane. There's 5, 7,000 Leaf fans in there, 15, thousand plus Habs fans that are going crazy. Dude, you know what, like Montreal, just the warm up, the vibe, like it's a crazy cool scene there. That's a great setting. It really is. Yeah, I mean, I love that building. There's an energy to it.

And I think, you know, that team's playing with a lot of confidence and they seem to be playing connected, you know, and they're young guys, they get score, they're finding the back of the net. I think the power play has kind of woken up a little bit. That's the thing, their special teams were really struggling at the start of the year. And then you had Liney come back and he kind of, actually you could probably circle when Liney came back, this team changed a little bit. Big time. Big time, man.

Listen, he's up to 10 goals and Kirby Dock's been really good. When you get that strike offense, like that quick strike where you just put it on the guy's tape and he can rip it into the net other than Cole Caulfield, makes a big difference. Yeah, it is. I mean, Caulfield's going to score 40 plus if he stays healthy. He's already up to 24, I believe, in the year. But they're getting depth. That's been a big part of the conversation out of Montreal

is they're rolling four lines. Our Mia was really good last night. They've just gotten depth. And Hudson's been great. And their goaltending's been good. It's just a great combination, top to bottom. And if you're the Leafs, you've owned this, again, playoffs, notwithstanding,

which of course is the most important detail of it all, what happened in 21 and then up three one, I'm not looking past that. But if you look over the last nine years of the Matthews, Marner, Nylander era, the Leafs have been the dominant force and they've been the better team and they've rolled in there in one big and

now the shoe's on not on the other foot because the Leafs are still better and the Leafs are higher in the standings and the Leafs have higher expectations but I think it's a big opportunity for Craig Barube and the Leafs to go in there and basically snap out of it and say we're not letting you run over us here. Party over boys. But the big boys are in town and we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna take you out But I expect a really good game tomorrow. I think it's gonna be a great game Mike Johnson will join us later this afternoon dear hazy be coming up We got Farhan Lology coming up Farhan obviously has been in Vancouver covering the Canucks forever It I swear every question asked to JT Miller yesterday was from Farhan every single one

Good for well, I got this to JT Miller yesterday was from Farhan. Was from Farhan. Every single one was Farhan. He goes out of no. Good for him. Well, I got the sense that... Totally appropriate questions. No kidding. And I got the sense that he recognized nobody else wanted to ask him, so I got to do it. And he did it. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So we'll play that for you for reference and we'll catch up with Farhan a little bit later in the hour. Luke's back, Al's brother's back. It's go time today. Wow. I can feel winners. I can feel winners

today at six o'clock it's it has to happen because last week was really one of the darker and lower moments in the history of this program it was pathetic it's absolutely pathetic one to one the first one one

and it's one one going to doie did a great job of generating buzz. Dugie's on fire, man. Dugie is a man on a mission to make sure that everything's cracking. So we'll get to that a little bit later on this afternoon. And we're tracking Nick Taylor at the Amex, man. On Fandl, he's the betting favorite to win this thing. He's red hot again today. I think he's two shots off the lead last time I checked. Dude. Nick Taylor Absolutely on fire. Yeah, he's on fire. So we're tracking our guy Nick Taylor as well out in Palm Springs overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN for

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call me a call me crazy i don't see why you make this move i know they've they've got all the reporters coming out saying it doesn't mean anything they don't know that sasaki's gonna accept their offer why would you make a move like they did today including bringing in a player miles Miles Straw who's got a couple years left on his deal and basically can't play. It's a salary dump for Cleveland for them to get some of the international pool money.

Why would you do that unless you feel 99% sure this guy's going to take that money? I don't know, man. This one feels a little bit different to me. I'm back on the private plane watch. Give me some private plane material. Really? I'm looking for it here. Wow. I just don't know why would you make this play if you don't know that it's going to

Sasaki? I get it. And sooner or later somebody's gonna look at the Dodgers and be like, there's enough big dogs here. Maybe I want to be a big dog somewhere else. Exactly. Do I expect him to still say I'm siding with the Dodgers? Yes, I do.

I do because everyone else does. Everyone else does. Reasonable. I got you. I hear you. But I think that point you made is an important one because the reports are out today that that the Padres have been told they're out. Yes, that's correct. Like it sounds like it's Dodgers or Blue Jays for a Japanese star We're back. We're back in the saddle ago. Here we go again, but let me just confirm this. He's a star pitcher, right?

Yes, he's a starting pitcher. He throws heat and get up to the high 90s. He throws some junk, nasty stuff. Oh, nice to have him. It's difficult to really know exactly how... He throws some junk and nasty stuff. It's the standard go-to. I haven't seen him pitch a live bullpen or something. It was the standard report.

I appreciate the standard. He throws some just absolute smoke and he can also mix it up and throw some nasty junk got some nasty stuff exactly That's a Harry Doyle line right like that's what Harry would say RIP brother RIP Bob Euker and Harry Doyle But I think what you said about him trying to establish Superstardom you're not getting that in with the Dodgers to like not even not even close You're probably fourth or fifth in line. At best. Now I understand California, the Dodgers winning closer to Japan, closer to the time zone. There's a lot that goes into it that I understand that Toronto just can't compete with. But

what they can compete with is, hey, you come here, you're the guy. We'll give you whatever you need to be a superstar and a rock star. So we'll see. I mean, listen, what did George Bush famously say? Fool me once. Shame on. We gotta play that. We gotta play that. Cause like, shame on you?

Shame on you? Or shame on, you get fooled, you can't get fooled again. Point is, you can't get fooled again. There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says fool me once, shame on you, it fooled me, we can't get fooled again. I forgot how long he hesitated. That is not one of those, although I butchered I think the Wayne Gretzky, I butchered hard work beats skill.

That's a pretty standard saying. That guy's hamster was Usain Thielting it, dude. He had a seizure after Fool Me Once. Fool Me Once. Right after that it's Shame On Me. Right. And when you're the president. No, it's actually Fool Me Once, Shame On You.

Shame On You, Fool Me Twice, Shame On Me. That's the saying. And he knew it. He knew he was in a blender. He's like, I'm gone, I can't get it back. And then he tossed out You Don't Be Fooled Again. Right. Well, I'm George Bush I've got to get it back and then he tossed out. You don't be fooled again, right? Well, that's me. I'm George Bush when it comes to Sasaki here just because of this deal today I just I don't see why you take on all that money and you know

Because again if it was if they did that a month ago Before everything opened and they kind of knew where they stood or whatever and it was like hey We want to have all of our ducks in line here and we're gonna go in full board this is the windows open it's open like he can sign they could they know who he is he's been to Toronto and now they're acquiring this international pool money I or bonus pool money I'm I'm going George Bush on this let's see who can't get fooled again play the the whole thing. Yeah, the whole thing. We gotta hear the whole thing. It's one of the great, great clips ever. There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee,

that says, fool me once, shame on, shame on you. It fooled me, we can't get fooled again. That's old saying in Tennessee. Even the way it starts, it's so ignorant. Does anyone know the context of what he was talking about? I don't know what he was talking about. Who knows? Maybe chasing superstar Japanese pictures. I don't know what he was talking about.

All right, Farahon Lology is coming up. I wonder if the Vancouver Canucks could apply that George Bushism to what's going on with JT Miller and Pederson and the Canucks. They got blown out last night at home against the LA Kings and it's ugly. It's ugly, it's loud, it's dramatic, it's so popper-like. There's a lot going on out there, so we'll catch up with Farhan, get his take on on all this Mike Johnson coming up on the Leaf win last night if he can think of a more important regular season game than Leafs Habs tomorrow night In terms of that rivalry over the last decade We'll catch up with Johnny and NFL picks still to come as well overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSNF Breaking story from Alpine News Network

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Alright, I don't know where he is. You guys want to shout it out? Where is Al's brother? He's been there all week. He's at McAlpine Ford in Aurora. I was there today. I saw him. That's right.

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you by our friends of mccall point ford in aurora was our family the ford family in you was he just sitting there like you walk in and he's just sitting there like yeah maybe like a with when i walked in he was there you're signing autographs and stuff man of the people he is a man of the people i i was downtown last night everyone's like where's else brother what's else brother doing i'm like i don't know i don't keep track of them and he's either on a cruise or he's

you know in his basement Basically, people have people stop yelling haze is a fraud like I think Goes it's still around a little bit But I wouldn't say it's anywhere close to where I was last spring last summer. I'm trying down a little bit. Thankfully I'm trying to remember there was an NHL player. I was doing a game. I forgot to tell you guys this I was doing a game and A guy like leaned over and was like haze is a fraud and I was like Try to try to remember that maybe was JT Miller His headspace it doesn't feel like it's really in the game right now. It might be. Here's Farhan Lalji from Vancouver. Farhan, give us a little mood meter out there

in Vancouver. How's the city reacting to the way the Canucks are playing right now? Well, it's a beautiful sunny day. How dare people suggest you're a fraud, Brian? That's offensive to me. I appreciate that. Thank you for the support. And, oh, dog, do me a favor, please. Yes, man. Can you please turn off your email auto message? Because every time I send something to TSN Hockey, I get a bounce back from Jeff O'Neil saying I will no longer be checking this account.

Farhan, I had changed... I had the dumbest email of life, and I hated spelling it out to people, so I just changed it to something separate. And somebody told me the only way to switch over is to write that email. Once you send one to the other one, it says this is no longer functioning. So you got to deal with it, bud. I don't know what else to tell you. Dude, every day I send something out. You're the only person that replies. Although now with the connection playing this poorly, I get a lot of requests, my goodness,

like watching this team, it is theater, it's an adventure on so many levels and for all the wrong reasons, right? I mean, you guys, like Noodles and O-Dog, you guys are professional athletes. Like what's the most offensive thing I could accuse you of? You were professional athletes. But you're always pros in my heart. What would be the worst thing I could accuse you of? You were professional athletes. You're always frozen my heart. What would be the worst thing I could accuse you of? lack of heart maybe like

You know something like dressing I'd dressing room problem Well, like the word that people have said to me before is don't ever tell an athlete they quit and The Canucks look like they quit last night and they've looked like that games where you score a couple of goals on them and then everything around them sets in and they just have zero answer zero response zero pushback this is a team that looks like they've quit I'm not saying they've quit on their coach this is not a Rick Tauke indictment I think talks done a great

job and you know he's as much a victim of what's going on around him but when they've quit. I'm not saying they quit on their coach. This is not a Rick Tauke indictment. I think talks done a great job. And, you know, and he's as much a victim of what's going on around him. But when you look at what's happened with this team and the storylines and the narratives around it, you know, not a lot has changed in the last two to three weeks from when the Pederson Miller conversation began to rear its ugly head again, what's changed or what, what it's really, what hasn't changed. They've gotten no better, right?

Like they haven't done anything to stop that conversation. So people keep talking about it because they've done nothing. I mean, JT Miller missed 10 games. He's played in 17 games since, and he's scored in one of those 17 games. It's, you know, when you look at how this team is playing, Pedersen gives us a few moments here and there. The one guy that you can count on night in and night out

is Quinn Hughes, who I still think is playing at a heart trophy level. Not just a Norris trophy level, but the rest of them look like they've checked out, and that's as big an indictment as I can offer. Farhan, it seems like the JT Miller-Pedersen situation is now having an effect on everything and it's just like You got to ask yourself We were talking about at the beginning of the show like how did we get here? Like how did they go from last year being so great and they finally turned things around and the fan base has got to be

Thinking we got our coach our players are putting I know we're all dialed in We've got Quinn Hughes and Demko and JT Miller and Pedersen and then all of a sudden this year everything's gone to hell in a handbasket again. How did it get to this point? What happened between these two guys? Yeah and you know I don't know how much of it truly is their relationship that's led to this. Obviously there's been some of that but it's been magnified and taken so far out of proportion because they both played so poorly. It's not like, this is a three year old story, right?

And potentially even longer when you hear Brad Richardson's comments of, think of how long ago he was actually in the room with the Canucks. So I don't know that their relationship is any worse than it was three or four years ago I just think I'm playing so poorly that it's not come back up to the forefront and certainly they've handled it poorly and the Organization as a whole from a communication standpoint has handled it really poorly, right?

The strategy around it is baffling, you know to the point where they're actually Legitimately looking at moving one of these guys and the general manager away from the conversation. Like no one has shut this down. And two and a half weeks ago when he spoke to when Patrick Albine spoke to Ian McIntyre and they said, yeah, like we're all things are on the table. We're looking at all of it. And you know, the leaks have happened now and nobody can run from it.

It's just too big of an elephant in the room. So I don't know that that particular issue got us here. I just think these two players playing so poorly have got us here. So obviously JT is dealing with a number of different issues. In the case of Pedersen, this goes back to last year's All-Star game. He came out of the All-Star game,

a completely different player and has just not been able to find his game. First it was, well, the contract is creating too much noise. Then he signs the contract and he just hasn't lived up to the contract. So that's creating its own noise. So there's just so many layers to it. They've had the injuries. There's been a bit of a market correction in terms of, you know, their PDO and their

finishing rate and all of those types of things. And everything that went right for this group a year ago and last training camp going into it Jim Rutherford said, so much has to go right for us to make the playoffs. He was right and now all of that has gone wrong and this is the result. So Farhan, we were talking before you came on about it seemed like you were the only one that was asking some tough questions or at least asking some honest questions last night in the scrum.

Did you feel like you were the guy that just had to kind of take the ball and run with it and be a straight shooter with JT Miller? Yeah, I did, but look, I'll tell you, this market is not what people think it is. This market gets a bad rap. The reality is there's only maybe four of us or three of us at best that are willing and in position to ask difficult questions. And heck for me,

half the time I'm traveling for football, right? Like for the Canucks as players to actually think this is a tough market is completely delusional. And I know the national narrative is this bad market. Well, the national insiders set the fire right by talking about the fact that they Peterson and Miller no longer get along again and then someone's got to ask a couple of tough questions and then everybody talks about it and now the market is bad we've got a bunch of young bloggers that are thrilled they've got credentials and they're not willing

to ask difficult questions whereas you know you've got a couple of us myself Jeff Patterson Patrick Johnson Johnson, Thomas Dranson, and that might be where it ends, that are willing to ask a difficult question. And so, when you go back to 10 years ago, I talked to Frankie Corrado about this, when he was in the room, there was some big boy journalism around here,

like Gary Mason was still doing sports, Tony Gallagher, Jason Botchard was alive, there were people that would ask tough questions. So now you get the same volume of media and the same volume of cameras and microphones but it's an entirely different media landscape. These guys do not know what hard questions and tough journalism is and they get completely offended and taken aback and blindsided when someone asks a tough question. It's not that difficult to market, guys.

So Farhan, let me ask you, would you guess, what's the way out of this? It looks like from JT Miller... One of them is going to have to get moved. One of them is going to have to get moved. That's just my opinion. And I would guess after watching JT Miller last night, it might be him, because it looked like, I don't know, it looked like, I've seen guys who are on their way out the door And that's what it looked like

Yeah, you're right, and I think if the connects had their choice they would move JT Miller because he has the ability to Completely lighten the room right and be the most Mike Shishkiewski talked about this with about Christian Leighton right that he has the ability to be the warmest guy in the room when things are going well, and has the ability to burn the house down when it's not. And that's where JT Miller is. And quite frankly, Miller's aware of that. Because last year when everything was going great,

he actually talked about that, that, hey, we're winning and that's why everything is going great. And, you know, I tried to make the point that usually when things for him are going good or bad, he's always that emotional engine and he's not that now. And that tells you to your point that he probably looks like a guy that's got one foot out the door, even though he's got a no trade. But I think if you're the Canucks,

it's going to be a lot harder to move the 31 year old than it is to move the 26 year old. And where Miller has floored me the most, I always felt that Pederson had the higher ceiling and the lower floor. And Miller, you know, was kind of in between there. You could always count on effort and intensity and passion. Well without that, he's got the same floor as Pederson. So I think if the Canucks had their choice, they'd prefer to move Miller, but it's going to be a much harder deal to move than Pederson who's only 26 that has the higher ceiling. Yeah well we're tracking it across the country as you know I think everyone in the hockey

world is pretty fascinated by it and I know you're off the KC you're gonna be the national championship game so safe travels enjoy the football and thanks for doing this today we appreciate it. All right there's any time and noodles and oh dog I would never accuse you to of quitting on his. Farhan, I'd just like to quickly mention thank you for acknowledging that myself and noodles were professional athletes and not Brian. Thank you Farhan.

Appreciate it. This Farhan Malji from He's off to Kansas City. It's an accurate assessment. You see that screen pick that Farhan, they post up for Farhan. I'm sorry, I love, that's 20 years old. That was an old school one. But he's in good shape, man. He's still great.

He hits the gym. Great, good style, wears great clothes. When I first went out, started with TSN, This would have been 14 years ago. I went out with Farhan and Johnny Liu and Edmonton and those guys were rock stars Oh, yeah style man Farhan and John Lou are TSN staple slash legends. Yes. Yes across the board. It was a gritty night Yeah, very good. No other way to put it Mike Johnson coming up in the next hour least habs tomorrow night We'll start teeing that up and look back on a leaf win last night

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