OverDrive - OverDrive - January 22, 2026 - Hour 2 - Darren Dreger/Pierre LeBrun

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Frank Corrado for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insiders Darren Dreger and Pierre LeBrun on the biggest headlines around the NHL, the Maple Leafs' trade targets and players that could get traded in the league. In Hayesy's List, Hayes lists the Toronto players that have got away in the last 25 years, and Bryan gives his FanDuel Best Bets.

Power 2 Overdrive continues. Powered by Fanduil, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Brian Hasey, O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Frankie Carrotto, giving away those leaf tickets later this hour. Leaves Gold Nights tomorrow night. Vegas in Boston tonight. Sid and the Penns in Edmonton, that'll be a fun game to watch. And lots going on in the NHL, lots going on in the NBA. We're getting closer to the NFL and a big, big Sunday.

As the O-Dog will be on the clock making the pick tomorrow, it's a big. big, big moment for you. I'm not making the pin. I'm just giving my, I'm going to do my usual thing. It is a team. You have declared yourself the captain of the team. You are going to get the information, receive the information, and ultimately make a selection. I'm not being, I'm not...

Let me ask you something. If Hayes is going to make the pick, that's his responsibility. That's fine. But if he goes against you and what you said to do, do you let him know about it, like immediately, Turnover, interception, feel like you're down in the game. How quickly do you get in his kitchen about it? Immediately.

You know the answer to that. It's a rhetorical question. It'll be so angry. It'll be so annoying. Here's what he just set himself up for. It's actually a brilliant play. It's one of the great political plays ever. If he's right and I go with it,

he made the pick, right? If he's wrong and I go with what he said, he'll say, well, you're the guy. You should have been making, It had gone a different direction. My favorite line to him, Frankie, is, don't say you weren't warned. I love loading that one out there.

Don't say you weren't warned. Because him and the other guy will toss back these crazy ideas, and then when they get smoked, and I said, I don't know about this, boys, I always say, don't say you weren't warned. Do you realize we were on fire all season long? Dude, I get it.

I'm Forzling, though. I'm Gustav Forzling. I jumped on the floor. Florida Panthers moving ship. And I appreciate that. And we're three and two in our picks. The Bears have jammed us twice, right? We have a winning record in the playoffs. It's that Luke hasn't missed.

And noodles, I guess. Credit to noodles as well. He's playing a big role in that, I'm sure. But anyway, we'll get to that tomorrow. Luke will join us, and now his brother will be involved. And we'll make our picks, and we'll tee up the game tomorrow as well, you know, with Marner in town. And I'm quite curious to see what, I know Bruce joined us last year.

Bruce is an optimistic guy. Bruce played for the team. It's not going to be a positive reception. No, it's not at all. No, it's not going to be. I think during the video montage, it could be. But it's not going to be like Jonathan Taves, nor should it be. Taves won three cups in Chicago and left based on medical terms.

It depends how pissed off they are. If they really want to dig deep, they'll just boo right through the whole reset, Like the whole welcome back video. I don't know. I think the guy's jersey could possibly go up. That's how good of a player he was for this organization. He's a top 10 player in the organization all time. Not even a question.

Well, it's a question. And from Toronto. It's a question for sure. And from Toronto, think about that as well, right? Like, okay, fans have every right to boo. They have every right to be pissed off. But I just want to know why. The intent, why?

because all we talked about for maybe five years, four or five years, was you got to break this thing up. Someone's got to go. Okay. Mitch Martin went. He was never going to be a leaf forever. All they say is we could have had Rantaninan, but you said no. That is the one thing that everybody says to me. We could have had Rantanin, but you said no, and now we don't have Rantanin.

I don't know. Well, be pissed off because of this. Be pissed off because in 2019, he wanted $11 million when Rantanin'an took nine, and Braden Point took a bridge deal at six and a half. And then that's fine. You got all your money. But then you had to deliver and you had to win. And then year after year,

Martyr, Matthews, Nealander, Tavaris, the guys who were making all the money, they didn't win. Flat Cap World, I get it. But you can't really lean on that as an excuse. So all the optimism, all the hope, that went down the drain. And then we got to the point where it was like, something had to change. Someone had to go.

Okay, he's gone right now. So boom, because you're pissed about the, way they performed in the playoffs, boo him because he's gone. Someone had to leave, and it turns out it was just, it was his time to go. Yeah, it's a bizarre psyche, because there's a lot of, the Leaf fans that are booing him, that will boo him, wanted him gone, and now he's gone, but they wanted him gone, but with him begging to stay. It's a really weird backwards mentality, but that's at the core of it.

wanted Marnard to beg to stay and the Leafs to say, no, we don't want you anymore. Get out. You know, that's what they wanted. Where it stings for the Leaf fans that wanted him to go was he was happy to go. And by the accounts, he was planning on going. And he picked his spot and he went to it.

You know, and that's the depth of it. And obviously it's more, it's the losing, you know, the contract was a big part of it. That set himself back in the marketplace for sure. He's not alone. Other guys did that as well. And other guys had different chances to rectify. it. But, you know, the fact that he's a local guy makes it, you know, possibly more scathing

tomorrow night because he's going to have family and friends here, where, like, if it was Matthews, he'd just show up, do his thing, and get the hell out. If it was Willie, he'd show up, do his thing and get out. It's different with Mitch. You know, Marna's going to live here in the summers, I presume. You know, probably up in Muscoca, probably at home a lot. Maybe he's still going to run a camp or whatever. I don't know. You know, he's going to have a future in Toronto where the other guys wouldn't if they left but um i don't know it's it's kind of a shot at the whole core for and he's the one that's going to have to eat it that's what's interesting about it matthews should probably hear it for the losing and nielander should hear it and tavarro should hear it and riley should hear but

they're still here so mitch'll take it kind on behalf of those guys as well even though there's still leaves um all right some leaf news a lot of leaf news today to chat about it let's bring in the insiders here darren dregor and pierre lebrun good to see you you boys as always. Drags, I guess we'll start with you in terms of Ekman Larson and Brandon Carlo. What are you hearing on those two and the likelihood that

they're even available tomorrow night or this weekend at all? Yeah. Well, I think the news is better than it sounded like it was headed earlier today. I mean, we know that all over Ackman Larson wasn't able to finish the game. And he's a tough dude, right? Arguably

he's been Toronto's best defense. So when he went down in the first period, I think everybody's like, oh no, here we go. And then postgame, we find out that maybe Brandon Carlo tweak something as well. So I think it's actually better news now, Brian, to be fair, it was trending towards

the negative and a higher sense of urgency for the general manager to bring in some form of stopgap. But my understanding is, as the day has progressed, both men are feeling better, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the lineup against the Vegas Golden Knights tomorrow. Oh, that's a big win. that's the case. That's a big, big

wheel because, you know, I don't know, Dreg's worth things stand on, you know, with Tanev and listen, Tray Living deserves credit for Clement Stacher. Stature's been a big get for him and a big get for them, but, you know, if there are injuries or if these guys are in a position where, you know, it's not

feeling great tomorrow and it carries over, kind of pressure does it put on Tray Living to try to add to the defense at some point. Yeah, well, I'll bring Pierre into this too. He's been looking pretty much all season long, and drifting back into the offseason. And you're right, Brian. I mean, when you look at how they've been able to keep this group

basically together with duct tape, again, I repeat, Oliver Ekman-Larsen has been one of their mainstays, shifting sides, playing in the cave, you know, all of that. My understanding on TANF, just to bring you fully up to speed there as well, man, he's working at it. You know, this guy is trying to get to a place where he can return. Now, there's no guarantee that he's going to be able to do that. Far from a guarantees. been out long term, but it's something that we're going to have to continue to monitor. In the meantime, Tree Living Pierre continues to kick tires, as we know, like most general managers, looking across the market, in fact, scouring the market for some help on that blue line.

Oh, thanks for the T up there, buddy. Yeah, I mean, he's Antalisa been scouring the market for a while, and, you know, we've talked about Luke Shen on insider trading. I think that'd be a wonderful fit to bring it back again, pending UFA. Dougie Hamilton's a much more complicated situation. We know that the Leafs are among the teams that are on Hamilton's approved trade list. Where it goes from there, I'm not quite sure. There's no way the Leafs can afford 9 million a year, which is what he makes for two and a half years. But I know the Leafs have batted that around internally and a host of other D options.

You know, what's hard right now, not just for the lease, but for other teams that, you know, I've talked to all week, because they're waiting for more teams to declare themselves as sellers. Look at the East, man. I mean, I was looking at this because I had a note on the Florida Panthers today. They're five out. They're in an eight-team battle for the last two wild cards box in the East. Like, who's announcing that they're out? So I think everyone's trying to get in some ways to the Olympic break

and understand where they are. But, you know, I get that OEL is not long-term, if at all, not even a game, and same for Carlos, Dreg just told us, but it doesn't change the fact that with the TANN of situation, the Leafs, I think, have to add a piece on the back end before the deadline. Otherwise, I don't know, hey, how they make the playoffs, perhaps, or even if they make the playoffs, how they can think that they have a chance of going

passed around. Pierre, I'll start with you. Is there anything that this team could do leading up to the Olympic break, right up until the Olympic break, that could push them into a position to do what Boston did last year where they just say, you know what, probably not our year, and we might just have to move away from some things and go get him next year. Like, is there a scenario where that could happen? I mean, I guess there is, oh, and I know why you're asking, it's funny, remember that day on December 23rd when it looked like the sky was falling in Toronto, and Brad

Sheelving had a mini news conference in lieu of Mark Sabar's firing and basically coming out and saying, you know, I'm not firing Craig Barouba. It feels like a long time ago now. But at the end of that news conference, I was able to get in the last questions about Tree Living. The question was, are you looking at the market for selling or buying at this point? And I thought it was a fair question,

given where the Leif's were. And if you remember his answer, there was very little hesitation that he did not think the season was over and he was still looking at if he could, within reason, of course. The reason I point that out is that, you know, listen, I think Brad Tree Living is always going to do the right thing for the lease. But his own situation at the end of the year is going to be interesting.

Let's face it, he's got another year left on his deal after this year. He's got a new boss and Keith Pelley. And so you're asking me, you know, would the Leafs get into a position where they start a mini-terror down like Boston did last year? I don't see it today, man. I don't see it right now. Drags, you want to jump in there? I also wonder, too. Yeah, you know, it gets a little bit more complicated, too, for the Maple Leafs.

Like, you know, we just saw Kiefer Sherwood from the Vancouver Canucks go to the San Jose Shards for a couple of second round draft picks and an American League defense, about 25-year-old, right? And I think that, you know, there were some mutterings by lead fans. Well, Keyfer Sherwood's a nice player. Like, you know, as a rental, like, why wouldn't you give that some thought? Well, the problem of that is, you know, again, some of the trades that were made prior to Tree Living arriving in Toronto are still haunting this team from a draft pick perspective. So second round picks are actually valued. And then you do have to look at what your business is moving forward.

What do we think Bobby McMahon is going to get on a contract extension? Four and a half, five million bucks per year? Probably. You know, Scott Lawton is playing really good right now for the Toronto Maple Leafs. you know, what is Scott Lotton going to command? Are you willing to pay him more than what he's getting paid right now on an annual average? So all of that kind of stuff is factored into the pieces that are going to go out because they don't want to talk about Easton-Callon or Ben Danford in terms of trade bait.

So who else will we talk to you about? And the rest aren't going to fetch you the pieces either on defense or up front that are going to move the needle. Pierre, in some of your talking with GMs and executives around the league, do you get the sense that there's any team sort of operating with a soft deadline with the Olympic break, just wanting to get some business done before everyone takes off, or is everyone okay with the trade deadline really being that hard deadline this year? Well, before I answer that, Frankie, you are the answer to the chivio question, right?

You play with this time. Come on, there's still people texting in here. Come on, Pierre. These are big tickets. People are still trying to win. Big, yeah, you guess you got a text, 10.50, 50. I don't know if I'm right. What an idiot.

Come on. Frankie's Sejor in Toronto was that long. I don't know if I got it right. I mean, it's possible. Maybe there's someone else. Pierre, unfortunately, Pierre, you saying that it wasn't that long, that was my longest tenure with any team in the league. It was a good run for you.

It's a good run for you. It went well for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, what great. I don't know where to go from there. I don't know if I can ever speak to you again, Frankie. Yeah, listen, I think there are teams that would like to act before February 4th

because they can't afford to wait. And, you know, I think of the two-time Stanley Cup champion Florida Panthers in a perfect world when they were playing a lot better about a month ago to look like they were back. They would have waited until the Olympics and seen what they need. but now Seth Jones out for another month and they're five points out the sense that we're getting is Bill Zito is picking up that phone

all right and trying to see if he can help his team here before the Olympic break if possible because every game is huge now for them and all the teams of that race so I think that's the example I would use that some teams feel these next two weeks could be make or break

the teams that are comfortably in a spot that can afford to wait that's what they'd rather do because they want to see a if some of their guys get hurt at the Olympics and then pivot and be some of the guys they're eyeing that might be going to the Olympics they'd like to make sure they don't get hurt there and then make their move out the Olympics so it depends where you are in the hierarchy right now in terms of answering your question Frankie well you know the Olympic conversation is interesting because they're fired up in Montreal as you guys know

that you know Jones is out they didn't call lane Hudson and they went to Jackson Lecombe, who's a good young player in Anaheim, and I think the explanation was he's bigger, obviously. He's more, you know, maybe he's more suited to penalty killing and more defensively sound. But, you know,

if the idea is, well, we've got Quinn Hughes on the team, and I guess I'm speaking for Bill Guerin, if you can only have one guy like Quinn Hughes, does this take Hudson out of the next Olympic games? Like, what does Hudson have to do to get, you know, more involved

in that conversation because he has been great again this year. He's phenomenal last year. Yeah, I mean, he's been great. I'd be shocked of Lane Hudson. Yeah, go ahead, Drake's. Yeah, I'm reminded of what Billy Guerin said when they picked Team USA. And, you know, essentially what he said was, I'm not putting together a fantasy hockey roster here. You know, I'm putting together, you don't need a general manager for that.

And I think that that was the approach by Team Canada and Team USA and maybe all of the power teams, is that you're putting a roster together that you think is going to content for gold. And how are you going to match up against Team Canada or Chequia or the Swedes of the Finns? Right? I mean, that's what we're talking about here. And with all due respect to Lane Hudson, whose numbers have been sparkling, if he goes to Italy and Quinn Hughes stays healthy, like, where is Lane Hudson playing in that equation?

And I think that that was part of the factoring in making the series. It's not like Jackson Lacombe came out of nowhere, right? I mean, he's a real good player. As you identify, Brian, I mean, he's a little bit bigger. Maybe he's got some attributes that they like ahead of Lane Hudson. But for me, this is less of an indictment on Lane Hudson and more about the player that they see in need in Jackson Lacombe. Yeah, and Lecombe almost made Team USA right out of the gate on his own.

I mean, that's my understanding. He's that close to making it to begin with. Yeah. You know, because he plays in Anaheim, I don't think he gets the same. you know, the same chatter about him than other players who, depending where they play. I will also say that his skill set is more similar to Seth Jones as well, if you're going to, you know, in terms of replacing the kind of player that you're replacing. I don't know, Lane Hudson's a pretty special player, though.

And if he's not on Team USA in four years in the south of France, by the way, I'd like to go to the cover that Olympics as well in the South France. If Lane Hudson's not there for Team USA, something's wrong. I mean, he's so dynamic. I could have seen him succeed at these Olympics, but Dregs covered it really well. Between Quinn Hughes and Zach Wrenski, there's lots of offense on that blue line

and Team USA really focused on different worlds. Quinn Hughes is going to play 30 minutes a night in the Olympics. Yeah. So that's how they approach that for better or for worse. And again, I can't tell you many times Bill Guerin and the conversations I've had with him in general has talked about how it really hit him and his management team, how heavy and hard

the game was at four nations, the first best on best hockey more than a decade. They came out of that tournament saying, man, there is no ice out there, and it really influenced some of the decisions. They influenced some of team Canada's decisions quite quickly. And that would have had an impact on Billy Garan's decisions, too. You saw some smaller players,

and it's no disrespect to Hudson, as much as you just pumped his tires, Pierre, but you saw players like Kyle Connor and Jack Hughes at the Four Nations, they were not that effective. And when you have a D.C. core with Quinn Hughes on it and Zach Rowensky both playing left-handed shot skill guys that can play almost half the game each there's just not they want something different out of the third pairing left-handed shot it's that simple for

everyone in Montreal that's offended by this it's that simple you're going to put them on a third they need a guy to kill a penalty they need the guy to be big and strong in front of their net they have more than enough to go around of puck handling and exit passes they have it and he didn't make the cut it's no disrespect to the move on and stop crying about it. It's crazy stuff. Well, the one that I think might deserve a little attention, and it got the attention earlier this week,

was Cole Cofield scoring the goal with 15 seconds left in the game. And it's kind of crazy that it's against Billy Garen's team, Minnesota, and Brock Faber was the guy who didn't flex out to him in the zone to cover him, and that's, you know, he's going to be part of Team USA. But we always talk about these games, you know, no space, but we also talk about the clutch factor, and can you score a big one at the right time? No one's got more game-winning goals than Cole Cofield over the last three years in the NHL.

Like how much treks would they have taken that guy into consideration, and is that one that they still think about at this point? Yeah, I'm sure they do. I don't think there's any question about that, just based on what you said, Frankie, the ability for this kid to shoot the puck and put the puck in that. And a goal like that, you can see how that might, you might need it.

You might need it in a real tight game, just that quick turn and release and the way he shoots it. It feels, to me, still like Jason Robertson, might be the next go-to guy if there is an injury up front. It does. And, you know, the Americans, for the most part, have stayed pretty healthy with the exception of the decision that they just had to make on the blue line. but both Canada and the U.S. do anticipate, even though the days are ticking away, that there will be further injury replacement. So Team EOSA up front hasn't been hit, but there's still time for that. Well, by the way, one interesting difference between the U.S. and Canada, just quick, hazy,

is that the U.S. went out and replaced Seth Jones right away yesterday. Canada's going the other way. First of all, they don't know that a Braden point is out. They're going to give them all the time in the world to heal up. but even if they knew, the team Canada's told me they're going to wait until the loss they can to make all their injury replacement decisions. So it's interesting. U.S. and Canada are going two different ways here. The U.S. didn't have the name replacement yesterday.

They could have waited if they wanted. Right. Yeah, that was a quick turnaround. Well, we're getting closer. We're getting closer to that Olympic break. Great seeing you guys, as always. Thank you for doing it. We'll do it again soon.

Thanks, guys. There it is. Darren, Pierre LeBrunner, T. T.S. Hockey, Insider. Dugie, saying thousands of tax. coming in and a lot of them recently saying hashtag thank you pierre for the answer because it is frankie frankie carato obviously played with mitch marter you're telling me they sent in the hashtag thank pierre i'm joking off here i'm joking but uh we have announced a winner anthony anthony g

tony tony tony t baby from toronto has won the tickets so shout out to tony who knew the answer and he's going he'll be in a building tomorrow night paris seats to see a leave school night guaranteed tony g is going to be booing his ass off with a name like toy g he's gold chain and he is booing thumbs down the entire night on his feet tony g is in the building and he will be fired up tomorrow night which is great and we appreciate everyone texting in and trying to win the tickets and dougie and j p did the best they could best they could right to comb over everything and make sure they found an appropriate will for the tickets.

Maybe I'm different guys because I played pro sports, but I don't think I've yelled one thing at a sporting event. No. Like if I went to a game and Bo Bichette and I hated his guts, like, I don't think I would, like, you know the guy that's like, babe, Bichette, you suck? Like, I'm just, I've never done anything like that. I think you guys clearly have a different view of the,

like you were athletes, you know, like you could put yourself, in the shoes of the player maybe and think what that's all about it. No, but I actually think a guy that I don't know what you're getting out of it, just saying, Boba Shett, you're a loser or like a boo. I don't need anyone seeing me standing there booing or like face pink. I just, maybe I have a different perspective on it. Yeah, I think it's a North American view too. Like there's Toronto's a different spot for this.

Like you go to like Europe or something, the chance, right? The chanting. Oh, I totally get it. Let's say I went to a game with you and you stood up and said, Marner, you stink. I would say, can you please sit down and never say anything like that? I find it, it's weird. I find it embarrassing. I don't know.

I think the booing or the cheering is one thing. I hear you on the like specific commentary towards whatever. You know, I think a lot of it's instinct. You know, a lot of it for people is just instinct. Like, you know, move the puck, do this, bad play. Shoot the puck. Shoot the puck, whatever it is. You know, you get into it.

I think it'll be interesting. A lot of it is tribal. You know, a lot of it is what is the mob doing? And if tomorrow night, if it's quiet early, it'll be quiet for the whole game. No one's going to start the chance of the booze. If it's electric early, if he's getting booed right when he steps on the ice, not for warm up, but like, you know, two minutes before puck drop and the refs are flying around. If he steps on in the boot, he steps on in the boot.

start, then it will boo the whole night, for the most part. But I find, you know, the crowds in Toronto and Lee fans in particular, it's usually waiting to see what other people are doing. And that's where it'll be intriguing. Where if the attitude is that one, like, I don't really care to boo, then people won't. And if it's not a majority, then no one will boo. But it'll happen a little bit at the beginning, right? It'll be at the beginning for sure.

Everyone will get it out of their way. by the third period or I don't know halfway through the second maybe it dies down a little bit if the Tavares to Long Island was 10 out of 10 what's your what's your gauge on this one? Mine would be like six and a half six yeah I was

going to say Toronto only can only go to a seven they don't they don't have that long island like I hate your guts you're dead to me they don't have those comments but that's what I'm saying though like that's that was the norm now it was a built up thing like it was tailgating and wait till this guy gets

here and we're going to make his life miserable collectively. Everyone's in on it. And I'm not sure if everyone will be in on it. Because I think there are some people that, you know, love Mitch and wanted them to stay. I will say one thing. I think Toronto will attempt to get as close to Long Island as they can. Like, they'll probably get to a seven and they might push it to seven and a half. There's just, I don't know what it is.

The way he left, the way he went out, they don't like it. And when they're booing in a visiting building and you're noticing it, it's going to happen. Listen, he's horrible with PR. Horrible. It's some of the worst PR ever for a star player. It's always woes me, always the victim, never took accountability for anything throughout his career. I just don't think he was, for whatever reason, and it's crazy because he was a stud player

from all the way. Like he was a blue chip guy, London Knights, Memorial, like the whole nine, top five pick, and he just didn't seem comfortable. Like, you talk about giving some, I could have given that guy a PR blur at the beginning of every season, and he would have had the whole city eating out of the hand. It would have been so easy.

I don't know. It would have been so easy to just say, we've got to go out there and, you know, work our nuts off and, you know, whatever, but it always seemed to be just, he couldn't get the message out the right way, and it was not received well. It was always defensive, right?

It was always defensive. Like, why are you criticizing us? We're fine. We're not talking about what just happened. We're moving forward. I know. It was weird. And it didn't have to happen in year nine. Could it have happened in year five, six, or seven,

where you just had the McKinnon one, where he got pissed at the situation and what had just happened. And sort of, even if you don't even believe it, just throw it out there. Take accountability for something. Who cares if you don't believe it? But just throw it out there. Have the fans kind of eat from it.

And that would have changed things a little bit, but it never happened. No, it never did. Listen, how he plays tomorrow will factor in. If he comes in and lights it up, that's going to be a completely different chat too. That'll be fascinating. Yeah, he comes in, two goals, two assists,

and is dancing all night. People are going to be like, oh, man. Big celebrations. Exactly. You know, we'll see how he handles it tomorrow. By the way, my buddy just texts me and said, my kids wear your jersey on the glass, and they get booed for wearing the jersey.

Thanks a lot for sending me that. Wearing number 92, the O'Neill jersey? Like, mine leaf, like his kids wear 92 O'Neill jerseys, and his kids get booed, he said. That's alive, first of all. No one in Toronto is booing you. Everyone loves you. And second of all, no one's booing kids wearing jerseys.

That would be crazy. That is extreme. That's New York. He was dead serious, too. You know who sent that. You can screw yourself. yourself because that's an ignorant comment ignorant comment all right best bet still to come and uh you know with bachette leaving and marner leaving um i got a list here the five players

that have gotten away the last 25 years five players in toronto they got away for different reasons that you look back on it you think man that one stung that one's got away or got away slash hated well no i don't no i'm not going the hated route because that would be easy be T-Mack, it'd be Vince, it'd be Mitch, even though he hasn't even been here yet. Be that coach that left, the J's, the coach, the Red Sox. John Farrell. Charles, won a World Series? Ferrell's high on the list.

We'll save that list for tomorrow, I think. And I think we got a pretty good idea where that one might be going here. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and up on YouTube Live. Seasoned gamer or just video game curious, this week in gaming is the podcast for you. We break down the latest. in the world of video games, from basics to beyond. The hottest gaming news, insight, and industry leaders, and more weekly.

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Nine under. That Min Woo, I don't want to spoil anything, but he might be a sneaky master's pick. Does he pot well enough? Dude, the guy mashes it. I know. He can move a golf ball around, but putting is an issue for Min Woo Lee.

I hear you. He could be in contention for sure. See the kid that went to live, he gave up his exemption of the Masters. Is it Michael Lasassau, I think, is his name? Yeah, the guy that wears. the nude-hugging shorts. Yeah.

Like he's got those quadzillas and he's got that weird swing. He mashes the ball, though. Dude, he's good. He loves a short short. Like, it's unnecessary. It is. They must have offered him a pile of money for him to say no thanks to the masters. Yeah.

Like, what a tough thing to give up. Had to be millions and millions of dollars. Why did he give it up? Well, I mean, obviously, what you just said, Liv probably gave him the opportunity. He said come play with Phil, which he's on Phil's team. It probably gave him $20 million. I know, but what does that have to do?

If you qualify for the Masters, you play in the Masters, it doesn't matter if you're a live player or not. It's an invitational event. Augusta can do whatever they want. They can call up anybody and say you're out. So they called him up and said you're out. That's my understanding is if you're on Live, you're out. You know, like that's what I believe has happened.

That's what was reported anyway. So I think they could call him. They can call up anybody. They want. Call up Scotty Shepardt and say you're not invited. You're not playing. It's their tournament. They can do anything they want.

That's stinky old Fred Ridley would never do that. No, he wouldn't. Don't say that. Fred Ridley, he's got a great scent. Friend Ridley, we love Fred Ridley. Love Fred Ridley. All right, I have five players that got away in the last 25 years. These guys went off, like, for the most part, they left on a positive note,

and they went off to do very good things elsewhere. So Toronto sports in general? Toronto sports last 25 years. So this is kind of the other end of the spectrum of Marner. It doesn't mean Marner's not going to leave and do great things. He's playing really well for Vegas. They're a really good team. He could win a Stanley Cup there.

He definitely could win a Stanley Cup there. I'm quite curious to see how he plays in the playoffs, especially when it's clutch. Game 1, 2, 3, 4, I'm sure he'll be flying. How's he going to look in game 7 of a big game? see. But these are five players that I think a lot of Toronto sports fans look back on and say, man, okay, look what he ended up doing. Number five, I got Phil Kessel. Now, I got Phil there. He won two cups in Pitt. I think Phil was largely a guy that people liked, you know, Frankie, you know Phil. And he had to leave, though, because of the timing of it, right, his contract

and all that. They ate money to move on from him. But it was Matthews was showing up, Mariner, Neeland. It was a new era. Babcock was a coach. Phil wasn't playing for him. You know, it wasn't going to happen. But, you know, the trade for Phil was not a smart trade because of how bad the rest of the team was. But Phil was a good soldier here. Played every night, scored.

It was a lot of good quotes. And went down and was great in Pitt, right? Yeah. It was great in Pitt and won two Cups. Two Cups was a major contributor playing on that Geno Malcolm line, man. Big time. Slotted perfectly, right? Like, you put them in the right spot.

I just remember being in Toronto. And hearing some of the stories about Phil, one of my favorite ones that you can say on the air is he would have his first shift of the game. You'd go out there, he'd get a pass from like Bozac or JVR. Fly down the wing, take a shot. Come back to the bench. Look at both those guys. And he would say, I don't got it tonight. You guys are going to have to do this.

I love it. I don't got it tonight. They're like, what do you mean? We're 30 seconds into the game. Like, I don't got it tonight. You guys got to do this. So good. So good.

One shift, one rush. I either got it or I don't. I'm telling you right now, it's not my night. Yeah. Wilson Emerson told me he used to play with a guy. I forget the guy's name, and he just said he never had his legs. Not one night ever. Just never had got no legs.

Got it. Don't have it tonight. 80 games into the season waiting for break through. There's nothing worse in that sport when you just go out for warm up and you're in a dead zone. And you know they're not moving and you're like, you got not, like there's nothing you can do. do, man. You can try to awake them, but you just, you're in a fog. Your legs are, it's brutal. It's the worst feeling.

So it's a weird connection throughout the sport where I think players at the lowest level can understand that. We're like, I just can't skate tonight. Like I, you know, and then there's times where you feel amazing. You're like, I'm flying. Like, my legs are, I don't know what happened, but I'm feeling great. That's what I figured out at about 26 or 27. Those nights you don't have it, they're always going to come back sooner or later. Like it might be 10 minutes left in the third period. It might be the start of the third. It could be the second.

So you can't mail it in because they're always going to come back sooner or later. They might come back and help your team win the game. Right. All right. We got Phil at 5. At 4 we have Tay Oscar Hernandez, two-time World Series chain. Dude, what a miss on that guy, man. Yeah.

Like, what do you trade him to Seattle for what? For Eric Swanson, who's not even in the league anymore. That was for a relief pitcher. That was a horrible trade. Horrible trade, man. Trading a guy who can hit 40. Like, he went to L.A. immediately after Seattle, and, again,

there's a huge part of back-to-back World Series teams. Massive. But I think he was a part of the club. He was. But then they brought the jacket back, and they're all about vibes again. I know, but you know all the Latino players that sat at the end of the bench. I think they thought that that was too much of a party,

and they wanted to kind of break that up. who was the guy with the funky hair that went there. Yeah, Gurriel also was out. I think both of them was a major mistake. Yeah, I mean, Tay Oscar for sure. Like, just he can mash. He's got a great attitude. He loved Toronto.

You know, and he left. And again, now he's with the Dodgers, and he looks great, and he's hitting home runs and winning World Series. And sure, he's not playing a prominent role. But Tay Oscar at number four, that's one that got away, got away from Toronto. Number three, I got Zach Hyman. Zach Hyman, you can argue this should be higher up the list. Like how they let him leave, it doesn't come up enough.

Like all the griping about contracts and negotiations and core fours and all this stuff, how they let Hyman leave for five and a half a year. You know when it should have come up a lot more? Yeah, I know five and a half. Like I'd sign that guy to a, if you retrospective analysis, you'd give him a 15-year deal at $5 million a year. Dude, Bobby McMahon's going to get $5 million. Exactly.

And you wouldn't sign Zach Hyman for five and a half? And he's still rocking. Whatever the number was. Apparently it wasn't too far apart. Like, I think he left over a couple hundred grand here or there, one way or the other. But his name should have come up in every playoffs where it was like, it just needed to dig in a little more or a little forecheck. It's just he, if you want to talk about a guy that was a playoff type player, it's that guy.

Yeah. But at the time, it was like those three guys, guys are getting paid and we got to we got to that was the chat dump overboard man happening gone hyman gone yeah all of them Connor brown was gone yeah had to go great connor brown had to go since we're talking about ex teammates today like Zach hyman this guy would throw up three plates on the bench press and he would get into like the 500s in the gym doing deadlifts in season in season this guy is an absolute machine they never should let him go local guy, work ethic through the roof.

Crazy. Was just coming into his own in the league, too, because he was popping with the Leafs at that point. You know, was he ever going to score 50 here? Probably not. That was a creature of playing with McDavid. But could he have scored 35 a year for a number of years and been a great piece of the puzzle for five and a half?

Just an insane, crazy move to let him go. Number two, I got Roy Halliday. Roy Halliday. Now, again, at the time, the Js weren't great. But the reason for this is he was such a great Blue Jay. He went to Philly, throws a perfect game in his first season there, and then a no-hitter, his first playoff game in 2010. Back-to-back playoff years in Philly.

He became kind of a rock star in Philly like you knew he was going to. What a World Series, man. No, he didn't. He wasn't there for the World Series. He just missed that. He just missed the World Series. But it was a scenario where he was so beloved here, and they couldn't be. build a winner around him.

And I know he's different than the other context of the other players. And part of it was like Roy, I think, was ready to try something else. But you look at the playoffs this year. You look at 15, 16. Like the idea of going into that building with 45,000 people going nuts and Halliday on the mound, what a missed opportunity. Huge missed opportunity. And he was so beloved to.

Couldn't do it, man. If that's 10 years later, if you put Roy Halliday on the Blue Jays 10 years later, that whole tenure, all of a sudden we're talking about. big money, spending, like making trades that make your team more relevant. And, man, like, that's the difference. Hostel environment, you send him out there. Everyone feels calm and confident. It just didn't seem like there was a ton of stability on the, like,

there was a back then. On the roster, no, it was like, this guy's in and out, and this guy's kind of good, and that guy, and then you had Roy Halliday every fifth day, and it was like, okay, let's watch this. It's like any other organization that's kind of in that tweener stage where you're going to, you're kind of good, you're kind of bad. You got a guy that hits 35 home runs, and then you got Roy Holiday and a couple other good players,

but for the most part, you're missing the playoffs. It was no man's land. It was. Yeah, it was. And again, the reasoning behind it was understandable at the time. Again, I think Roy was more than happy to move. But, you know, no salary cap. You had a chance to spend and build around him for a long time.

And he just went, and he was great in Philly. You knew he was going to, but a perfect game, no hitter in the playoffs. That was tough to see Holiday move. And number one, I got Nazim Cadry. I got Cadry at one because, you know, he left and won a cop, played a big role in Colorado. The reasoning was, again, the core force, just like Hyman. It's like, well, you got Tavares here now.

So you don't need this great player. Just get rid of that guy. You know, he cared too much in the playoffs. You know, the suspensions at the time, everyone was fired up. Everyone, myself included. They were not smart plays. I remember sitting beside Bob McKenzie on the panel. and after he cross-checked the guy in Boston the second time around,

he said, I wouldn't be shocked if that's his last game as a leaf. And I said, no way. Absolutely no way. That's a playoff player, and I'll rather take him and try to settle him down than some of the other stuff we've seen on the ice. And he goes, it wouldn't shock me if that's his last game. And it was. Sure is, you know what, it was.

I couldn't believe it. Dubison and Chanahan, responsible for Hyman and Cadre out the door. You know what's crazy about it? all that that we're all talking about right now. Like, there was a time where Toronto was bringing in a bunch of American guys, right? Like the whole Burke regime, it was a lot of American guys, and there was this reluctancy to bring in guys from the GTA. And then you all of a sudden had Marner, Brown, Hyman.

Let's count Cadbury, because he's from London. Yep. Like, it's close enough. I'm trying to think if there's a couple other guys that, like, were key players there. There was a few, but those are, like, your main guys. Yep. And then they were all gone. And it was like that whole thing just never really came together.

Yeah, you're right. That whole plan. And those were guys. Look at Connor Brown on the playoff runs in Edminton. Really good. Really, really good. Have you found a way the what-ifs to keep Hyman, keep cadry, keep Brown? Maybe you're in a different situation.

Maybe you've got a different history. There's people driving listening to this on the radio, like punching their steering wheel. just going back down memory lane right now. Yeah, it's a tough one. But Nas was so, he was so beloved here, too. He played, you know, he was played larger than his weight size or his weight class, and he'd fight and he'd hit. He'd always seem to sprinkle in, you know, a number of, like, highlight real goals.

Every 20 games, he'd have some big dangle where you're like, look at that. And, you know, he loved being a leaf. Love being a leaf. Hyman loved being a leaf. And unfortunately, it just felt like, Like the guys that kind of stayed, they love the money of being a leaf and the lifestyle of being a leaf. But that's the situation we find ourselves in. All right, there you go.

That's the five-pack. Five players that got away from Toronto. Five players that got away. It's kind of an depressing list, actually. Yeah, it's interesting. Phil Castle, Teoska, Hernandez, Zach Hyman, Roy, Halliday, and Osam Gadry. There it is. All right.

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All right, a lot of games tonight. It's Boston tonight. A lot of Canadian teams in action tonight. And, of course, Oilers Pitt tonight. So it's going to be a fun one. A fun one tonight. Yeah. Did you guys notice at all that, like, we're all kind of wearing the same get-up here?

We got a white T-shirt on and some kind of cardigan over it. Just to go-to January look, man. It's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. We're all on the same page. I like it. Very cool. Different tones.

Different tones. Yeah. Very January. Very January. And Carrie would be fired up that we're very fashion-forward. Carrie knows what she's. Carrie takes control the whole operation as she should with the three of us in particular. Polar Vortex tomorrow.

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