OverDrive - OverDrive - January 8, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 3 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joins to dive into the biggest headlines around the NHL. Former NFL Running Back and SiriusXM NFL Analyst Robert Turbin joins to discuss the NFL playoffs matchups, the Chiefs looking for a Super Bowl three-peat win and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson's MVP choice and Bryan hands out his FanDuel Best Bets.

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We've got our best bets later in the hour. We've got Darren Drager coming up here in a few moments. Robert Turbin later in the hour on this report also about Draud Mayo. Maybe why he was fired in New England. There was a report I think the Athletic had that was indicating after one particular blowout loss, I think they were in LA flying back to New England, he was in the back of the plane playing cards with the players. And I guess some of the executives and other coaches were like, I'm sure that's the best look there, Jarrod. You're the coach now, you're

not a player. Yeah. Any coach that would want to go back and play cards with the players is possibly the dumbest thing you could ever do in your life. You have to separate, right? You have to. Especially after a bad loss, like they got smoked. Dude, I don't care if you won 10 games in a row role It's the stupidest thing you would ever think about doing just there's a line You got it

You have to when you go across the hall we call it behind the curtain into business and coaching and all of that like into the Management there is a line like it's a difference if you're at a Christmas party or something you have a few drinks or But sitting at the back of the plane like there is a line management sits Management sits at the front, players at the back. Like that's it. Like you can't cross over that. Like to me, it's dumb. Yeah. It's just, it sounds like it's a guy that wasn't prepared, right? Still looks at himself probably as a player, kind of, you know, that's kind of what it indicates. And, uh, now he's out in New England. So we'll get into that with Robert later in the hour.

So I want to play this Buster Oli clip. He was on first up this morning with Carlo and AK and You know trying to describe the offseason so far for the Blue Jays tomorrow is a very very significant day tomorrow 1 p.m That's the deadline you've got to work out a deal with Vladimir if you're the Jays and other players who are Eligible right Varshow's eligible. I think Manoa is there's a number of different guys eligible right Varshows eligible I think Manoa is there's a number of different guys but Vlad is the big one because he's a year away from being a free agent and if they don't figure it out between now and tomorrow at one he'll still be on your team next year but you're going arbitration again and then it you know

just becomes one more thing feels like you're poking at the guy you know you can't get a deal done big picture long term. You can't even avoid arbitration. Dude, especially when you're in that position because when I went to arbitration, I'm like, I'm the only player that's ever gone to Arb with this organization. What am I missing here? Yeah. And I'm a contributor. So this guy's looking at everyone else getting paid and there's been a lot of guys getting paid and this guy's going through this

He's probably like screw you guys They can't help the relationship and how we can and here's what Buster only set of ESPN this morning on on the offseason And it kind of where Vlad he falls in line The glad he's looking for closer to 450 you know, I just know that... the blue jays are not close and that he wants a lot more than what they're offering and units because of that because of what happened once a little bit some other free agents

uh... among the team that are actually trying to get better in two thousand twenty five by you'd say that the blue jays arrived having the worst offseason of any of them. I mean, it's been a total disaster. A total disaster. That's tough. That's a rough way of describing it. But he brings up an important point there because not every team is equal and every

team is looking to do the same thing in the offseason, right? Like there are bad teams that know they're not competing and they're, yeah, they'd like to improve But it's it's not a mandate It might be getting younger or shaving some contracts off and moving the goalpost to 26 27 28 the Jays Said adamantly like we need to improve. We think we can compete for a World Series. That's what Mark Shapiro said That they can compete in 25 and they've done effectively nothing Well if ownership said to them you speak about mandates if ownership said to them you guys better get boogie in this year

And if you like the other tossing out words like World Series is is absurd Absurd well yeah, but if they said this year's got to turn around and then it's not like they're gonna make any harsh decision decisions on Buster old knees comments, but are they gonna go to these guys and say this is how you started this getting boogie in this year Well, exactly and you've got of the impact bats big names still available Pete Alonso, which I don't see how he really makes sense I don't either first base DH and that's Vlad E Bregman and sent tender and sent and there's a guy that we connected to any hit a bunch of hormones last year switch it or completely outfield

but why would any of those guys want to commit to the chase if they don't think why you'll be here in the future or bo bichette will be here in the future like it's clearly tied together and like the you gotta take everything with a grain of salt because it's easy to beat down the Blue Jays right now it's the easiest thing to do in the sport lay up to take a shot at the Jays and take a shot at Chaparrin Atkins and everyone's doing it there's anonymous quotes everywhere

right they they they think they're this but they're that they won't spend their this you know it's. It's nonstop. People are destroying them. But until they actually act and do something, they have no defense. There's no defense, man. We're into January. They've made the Jimenez trade, and they signed Garcia to bring back Garcia into the bullpen. That's about it.

They haven't done anything. They haven't declared what their plans are long-term have not landed a big fish uh... and they're they're just simply not a competitive team on paper it's there they're not even close yeah so and how many times have you seen it just out of the blue just improved before spring trace re trainings next month is it's their month away from pictures and captures shop

i think it's a happy state that this could turn do you have faith that you're gonna wake up tomorrow like a deals done with Vladdy and they are Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not holding my breath on that. No, I'm hoping maybe something happens though I honestly like maybe you know, it's like when it's not a news dump But all of a sudden news dump tonight at at 7.01, the minute we're off, like, here we go. Maybe it happens. Listen, they're going to sign someone.

I've said that for a month now. They're going to sign a few guys, but is it going to be impact? Because last year it wasn't, and if they replicate what they did last year, I think basically what they're saying, even if they don't want to, is we're not going to be that good, and we're all in trouble here in terms of our security and who knows what the hell it's going to look like two or three years from now. Here's Darren Drager, a TSN hockey insider. Drager, I'm curious, we're talking about the Blue Jays here, different sport obviously

than you cover, but you can put yourself in a position where if you're an insider, you've got a front office like the Jays in hockey where high expectations, they're supposed to be bold, they're supposed to be doing something and nothing's happening yet. Are you checking in every day? And if so, what are you asking? Are you going to do something? What's going on? Have you missed?

Take us into the world of reporting on a team with high expectations that's supposed to be active that's not doing anything well for collier time line is way off uh... i wouldn't be checking in every day i'd be checking in every fifteen months okay good and i'd be doing that basically around the clock and uh... it was an old trick back in the day that i used to use especially a trade deadline, where I would pester my sources, sometimes general managers directly, assistant general

managers, whomever. I'd find out who was in the room and probably have two, at least two, sometimes three or four guys in not every room, but a lot of the rooms around the league. And if I didn't get a response in say an hour, which was extraordinary, I'd start hitting hard. And I'd go, look, bud, I'm gonna text you every five minutes until you give me something to chew on, something to work with.

And you'd be surprised how often that would work. And you're not always looking for the breaking news, but especially with a club where you know that they're working on something significant. Or maybe Free Age and Fred Z is a better example because there's more of a looseness around that and you've got more fish in the barrel to go after. But look, we've all worked in the environment

at Trade Center. Oh, there's my fire alarm. That's gonna be good. I know. Yeah, we've all worked in the environment at trade center. Oh, there's my fire alarm. That's going to be good. Um, yeah, we all know, you know what it is? Um, somebody in my house is trying to manufacture some homemade chicken wings and by the sounds of things, not going so well, it's headed in the epic fail direction. Okay.

Um, no, but you just get, if you guys could tolerate this annoyance, um, going well it's a good thing that they have a failed erection uh... no but you just get me if you guys could tolerate this alliance uh... to get back to my thought you know sometimes all you need is just and not forward like this give us something to work with you know are you keenly interested in this player is it getting closer to a trade you know could there be a trade call that's being organized so we can try and close the loop on this? That sort of thing.

But I'd go after my sources on a minute by minute basis. All right. Darren, do you think there's going to be like five or six teams, probably east and west, that all want the same players and it's just going to be a race to get that done? Potentially, sure. You know, again, you know, we're drifting the list out of potential guys in play right now. And that almost starts at the beginning of the regular season. And normally, you're looking at the teams where they're depending on restricted pre-agents, but you're also watching the standings.

And by now, mid-season, we can identify for the most part who the buyers are likely going to be and who the sellers are likely going to be, but not completely because of parity around the national hockey league. But yeah, you know, I think there's a high rent district and I touched on this a little bit in insider trading and looking at what Brad for living in the Toronto Maple Leafs would be looking for. I mean, we know primarily they're looking at a three center, um, something that add a little bit of bulk, you know, experience to play a heavier game in that bottom sense.

Well, if you're doing that, I mean, you're obviously not looking at Elias Patterson. I mean, you know, Toronto's not making that type of a deal or, you know, even a Dylan Cousins deal with Buffalo because of the price that you're going to have to pay. So then you move it lower into the pecking order and it gets expensive down there too especially early well in advance of the March 7th trade deadline. But yeah I mean all the teams in that market for a top four defense unless you're specific to the shot or all the teams looking for a centerman especially number two number three essentially they've got the same names written on their whiteboards. Drex, is there an organization off the top of your head

or that we should be keeping an eye on that might be just very active from maybe a dumping players standpoint? And dumping players is the wrong word, but being proactive to being open for business. And I know Barry Trotz kind of said, hey, if it's not going to happen this year, to being open for business and you know i i don't very trots you can i said hey you know like we've if it's not gonna happen this year we would be looking at at doing stuff

but is there another organization that you'd circle to say i think there's a lot of teams really really pestering that manager for when he's going to pull the trade yeah you know there would be many at this point noodles uh... and how do you have to rule Amarillo with the New York Islanders? You don't. But we keep looking at the potential of Pagio or like, I don't think Brock Nelson is going to extend with the New York Islanders,

but it is too soon to say that. And if Lou can't get him signed and the Islanders are out of the playoff mix and you know unless there's a real big push here that's the way it's trending then how can you afford to let a player like out walk so that's not a dump but you know that's an intriguing name and the return on Nelson should be I would think pretty significant so yeah I mean as you get again deeper into the second half of the regular season and there's more of a gap with some of the teams that are, you know,

having a disappointing run. Maybe you get into the multiplayer turnovers, but I don't see it right now. I don't. Unless Nashville to your point noodles, Barry Proth wakes up and decides, okay, wow, maybe I do need to have a conversation with Ryan O'Reilly and find out where his head is at whether or not he wants another crack at a real good playoff situation or he wants to continue to stick it out here. With Darren Drager at TSN Hockey Insider on the Leafs front let me ask you about two guys

currently out what are you hearing on Jake McCabe? Like what should we be bracing for in terms of his timeline on the IR? And Anthony Stollars, I believe had that procedure done on December 17th. So we're looking at, you know, it's been about three weeks and the initial thought was he'd missed four to six. Is he on the same timeline? What are you hearing on Stollars as well? Yeah, I'm told that he's on the same timeline about dot dot but update so like the target you know what they got in this month uh... i don't think anybody with the maple leaves including at least all are to be able to do that just yet

uh... but i checked on that earlier today and i also don't get the sense uh... he's cracking in a negative direction either you know it sounds like he's feeling strong, but you know, he's gotta get back on the ice and he's gotta get into, you know, a continued practice routine before they even consider what the option is for him. On McCabe, again, they're careful with the messaging here

because, you know, we do like to do a play-by-play of this day-by-day. That's Canadian market. Told not long ago that he also is doing very, very well, but he's not likely to be able to play for the Maple Leafs this week. So probably check back on that unless there's a surprise return on the weekend, late in the weekend, and look ahead to next week.

Okay. Has the fire department arrived yet, Drex? Or what's the story? No, I think what's the story? I think what's happened is, uh, my lovely bride Holly has got a big enough towel where she's waved. Oh no. She's fanning it.

Isn't that the worst when you're doing your shoulders are blown out. I can tell even though my home studio office door is closed, I can tell by the cold air that's drifting in from under the door, Jeff, that every door in my house is wide open. So I don't know what's going on with those chicken wings, but evidently they're going to be well done. I guess so. Nothing wrong with that. With Derek Dreger at DSSN Hockey Insider. So the Bruins, they got skunked yesterday.

It was 4-0 to Edmonton. And they have been struggling, man. They've lost five in a row. And it's like, is it loud in Boston? And if so, who's? Because they've already fired the coach, right? They went through the Swainman thing. What do you see happening there? Because I find them very intriguing. They deserve respect because they've been a perennial contender for a long time. They go to the playoffs every year. This does feel different, certainly, in the past years, that it's not a guarantee they're

going to hold on. If they're straddling that playoff line or possibly miss, what's the reaction like in Boston? Probably what you're hearing in my background. Yes. I would think five bell alarm system. Well look, we heard the chanting in the third period, fire Sweeney, fire Sweeney, after the Bruins got their lunch handed to them by the Edmonton

Liners. Would I be surprised if that happened? I guess marginally. We know that Boston is a win now operation. It's been that way for a long, long time and they're cut throat, right? They're not afraid to make real difficult business decisions. They did that with Jim Montgomery. Could they do it with Sweeney? Sure they could. I know the relationship between Kam Nealy and Don Sweeney is a good one, but at the end of the day it's about winning hockey games, qualifying to the playoffs, and contending for the Stanley Cup. But I always, you know, I think though in fairness, ownership and senior management would measure the body of the work, right?

And the body of the work that Don Sinney is done is gm is pretty significant it's fairly decorated i think that's safe to say what else you gonna do their color you know i think the final in all make time zador off in the off season you can make a sound case that they didn't get a creative center we all knew what lindholm was going in the boston era and offensively they just i'd said

that the beginning of the year, there's just not enough offensive punch there other than Pasternak and Marchand on some nights. Like guys like Coyle and Zaka, they're not getting it, like they just need some, they need some offense. And I would try to find some. Because you look at their goaltender, that defense core, you look at it and it's like that's a quality D core They just need some guys to score some offense and they don't have it Lindholm has been a bust

Like well, that's that's the problem. Well, that's where Drex is going though Like you spend all that money on Lindholm and Zadorov That's what you were expecting is those guys to to you know, I think Zadorov is sometimes miscast. In Calgary, watch him in van, to me he might be a 5'6". I think he's playing in the three hole type of thing. So why'd you go get him? That's the question. You got Brandon Carlo there, I've always thought he's a pretty good player. What did you need him for? It's best available players sometimes. They miss Lind I mean Lindholm's a hell of a player, right? Like the defenseman and you know, and then the Lindholm center man, to me he's not a prolific goalscorer. He needs, you know, to

play with somebody to help out and if he has no chemistry with Pasternak, now you're in one, right? Like that's what you look at. I think the only thing that they can do, assuming they don't do something drastic, and look, I mean, you don't often see a GM getting fired in season because it's, you know, is the new guy going to come in and wave a magic wand? No. You know, they've got some interesting pieces though, young guys that they probably don't want to unload, but if I'm a rival general manager or I've got an asset because of where I'm sitting in the standings that Boston thinks is going to help them offensively, so then

I'm looking for one of their coveted young guys. Whether that's a good young guy in the American League, you know, trying to make his way up to the NHL, Craig Frederick, there's a lot of buzz around this guy, right, he's looking for a new contract. Justin Brazel, you remember him, the Maple Leafs old regime just didn't have time for that kid, they gave him a chance in the American league, they didn't like the idea of a longer term project,

and look at him now, some nights he's playing on the top line, he's playing the top six of the Boston Bruins, well he needs a new contract. you know there's there's possibilities there for trade that that could help sweetie and the Boston Bruins but I don't think you're gonna like the asking price Darren if you could like bring out your crystal ball and put like let's say the season ended yesterday and you were to talk about the New York Rangers

and what they have done. What do you think happens with them the rest of the season? Oh, yeah, I mean... Like are you talking about them missing the playoffs? Well, I mean, there's the obvious threat of that. I still don't believe it. I do feel like there's enough runway here that that group, given the talent that they have, they're going to find a way to come together, get Shisterkin healthy, you know, and get him

back on his game and see where they go. But how much worse can it get, right? I mean, they've been hot and they've been cold of late, but more cold than hot. You know, Chris Curry has made some real tough decisions and some very unpopular traits. Who's getting who? I mean, the way they forced Jacob Trubba out of New York, that's going to leave a mark. It's Manhattan.

I get it. Pre-agent players always want to play in New York, but they also want to play for a group, an owner, a manager, a coach they can trust. So that one left some bruising and deep tissue damage. So we'll see how it plays out. What's next? I mean, a less dreary can find a way

to get Mika's advantage out. There's all kinds of speculation. JT Miller's stuff isn't gonna go away until either the Vancouver Canucks flat out come out and say he's not being traded. He has a no-move clause. That's not going away. And the New York rumors connecting Miller to the Rangers. Well, that's not going away. Um, but the matter hand has a no move clause.

So it gets real precarious and difficult for jury moving forward now other than the coach. And I don't know. I think lobby's trying his hardest. I think he's pulled some, some tricks out of the old bag. Oh, you know that better. Better than anybody, the buttons that he's probably tried to push. Yeah, it's the same thing with these guys though, Darren. They're going on, they mowed through... Who was the first guy there?

Well, Galant. Galant, they mowed through Galant. And then Quinn, like it's just now it's Labby. It's like, are you guys serious? I got quen like it's just now it's labby. It's like are you guys serious? I got it. I'm with you. I'm with you I guess that's I was gonna go with that drag says are you shocked that Dolan? Who's you known as kind of a guy who shoots from the hip and fires people on a women's stuff that he's allowed? Drury and or labia let to you know kind of go through this whole process

because to me I it would just be easy to fire the coach like that's it right oh there's the change it'd be easy not easy but you know hey Chris you've had a good run here but we're gonna make a change at the top like is he possibly waiting for somebody and I I said this to a buddy the other day like I if I was Chris Drury I would have had Joelinnville on a bird up there and and seeing how i don't believe that he has been cleared correct jill quinnville and from the leak now you're waiting he could yeah i mean it did might take one final call to the commissioner's office just to make sure that that everything is copacetic

yeah um... i guess what i would wonder i think you'll have a place now we just want to get back on the bench again right like you know there was a time where he would have preferred to pick his spot and go in as a closer as opposed to cleaning up a mess You know, you got to spill an aisle three here. That's that's not Joel strength. So yeah, I mean that's a name that that that should be out there and and is out there The Dolan family James Dolan is no problem sharing his concerns, his views and his frustration with every member of the New York Rangers because in his defense, you know, that team, that group wants for nothing, right? I mean, he pays dearly for all the creature

comforts around that New York Ranger team. So expects the results but maybe he is waiting for somebody from a management perspective or from a coaching standpoint because you know beyond moving out more players what else is left but I there there there will be casualties if they don't if there is a significant change more changes moving forward between now and the trade deadline and the New York Rangers Miss the playoffs then what we saw when Dolan decided that he had had enough of Jeff Gordon and John Davidson and that entire group in my pale in comparison So what's gonna happen next? Absolutely. All right drags. We'll leave it there get those shoulders warmed up buddy get in there and start waving

I lose the right tracks believe it that get those shoulders warmed up by getting there so we've got i have a boy if you have no idea go off like he is the oven dirty is the air fryer not working properly yet you know i i've got multiple appliances in play here and i think he did we put them in there just before the segment started thinking okay by the time we get wrapped up i'll be able to go in there flip them over will all be good so i'd buggered up something good luck man get their but i think that the but i don't good so i'd buggered up something good luck man get their

but i think that the but i don't have any i'd like to tell you exactly what happened to put the broiler that's that a big you press on all of that i've got an air fryer on my own and i have the air fryer but but i don't know what good luck on the board back in my opinion is that the date bank leading the news is

please don't please sir appreciate it uh... you know more there's their trigger tsn hockey insider his alarm was going off for fifteen minutes straight that's a house fire that's a house fire like that's not just a lot of a little smoke coming up from the the the uh... but that's neighbors be like should we call the yeah department here what's going on over there? All right, Robert Turbin will join us and we'll get to our best bets later in the hour

Rappers in action against the Knicks tonight overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSN out 2025 is your year Started right with New Year New You on IR radio All right, best bet still to come later in the hour. Exploring all feel brand new at I her radio.ca and on the free I her radio app All right best bet still to come later in the hour Robert Turbin will join us former NFL or serious XM NFL radio analyst We've got a wild card weekend this weekend. We're getting close getting close Two games on Sunday you notice And I saw someone posted I want to go back and find this the Houston Texans Play the first game on Saturday every single year

And I get the impression it's kind of a shot yet. Houston's a pretty big market But what's the complaint though or like is it just an observation? Well, I think the point being is that like the primetime game I think is at night that Steelers Ravens on Saturday night That's a big one and then usually the second and third game on Sunday. That's the window, right? You want the 425 and the 820 kickoff those those are primetime CJ Stroud is good, but he ain't moving the needle like Lamar Jackson very well Exactly, and then you look on sunday like that four p m window that's packers eagles those are two

hugely popular teams and it should be a good game but uh... yeah i was i gotta go back and find it but it's something it's like the last nine times they made the playoffs they play the first game on saturday every single year just like totally routine You're playing there get out of the way and then we'll move on from here. Yeah, this is it here 2011 2012 2015

2016 2018 2019 2023 2024 now 2025 330 on Saturday every single year when or have better. I don't know know, more. Yeah, I guess. That's the whole thing. It's just they're not moving the needle. You know, Houston and the Chargers are just not two teams that people are dying to see. Yet, it's going to be a good game. Chargers, I think, are favored on the road in Houston for that game. Here's Robert Turbin of Sirius XM, former NFLer. What's happening, Robert? What's up, fellas? How we doing? Thanks for having me on. Yeah, thanks for doing this, man. We're looking here's robert urban of uh... serious ex-am former anna feller what's happened robert without a little bit of a family and thanks for doing this man looking for this weekend's to be fun and

you know before you to the games you know it feels like this week it's more about coaching in the coaching carousel is a report today i guess that tom brady it personally reached out to bill bellacheck about common to vegas and taken over there doesn't sound like bell checks interested in doing that but from from your perspective what do you expect out of Brady as an owner? It's a minority ownership but he is an owner it sounds like he's got a pretty powerful voice in Vegas. Do you think he will

benefit that team? Well I think so. I mean you know you talk about when it comes to his playing experience and being able to evaluate players, especially quarterbacks. I mean, that's where he's going to be able to bring the most value. You know, when it comes to hiring coaches and general managers and being part of that decision making, you know, I don't know how, how impactful he can be there. But, you know, he's a ball player and he played for a long time at the highest level, the greatest quarterback of all time. I think there's no doubt about that. And so when it comes to being able to, you know, use his experience with players that he played with players that he played against and being able to

understand, you know, what are the qualities, what are those intricate things that maybe scouts miss that, uh, that they don't see that you know kind of tie into the intangible to help a player become great remember you know Tom Brady with a six-round pick himself so he wasn't even highly regarded coming out of college and so I think really his vision on that when it comes to players is where he's gonna be able to have the most impact. Robert, what do you think you're going to see out of Russ? I mean, is Russ, they had a crazy season at one point they were nine and two and I don't know what happened to him but he just kind of morphed into the Russ that was at Denver. Do you think he would be your guy if you were trying to

pick a starting quarterback and if he is what do you think you're going to see from him? Yeah, I mean, you you talk about starting this weekend. Well it's gonna be him. Would you go to Justin Fields? Would you even think of it? I mean Russ has struggled here. That offense is brutal right now. Of course I would.

I would consider playing Justin Fields and I think he will play. I would have a package for him. You know really the fact that the Steelers sort of veered away from having those Justin Fields packages. And I know that he was, he had gotten injured in practice and he was out for a couple of weeks. But the fact that they veered away, you know, from it towards the end of the season, I think was a mistake. You got to be able to find some ways to utilize Justin Fields and his playmaking ability in order to keep this office going. What do they lack? They lack playmakers and they lack playmaking ability. Justin Fields is undoubtedly one of those guys

that can do some things for you as far as making plays. So I would start Russ, Russ don't have the experience. He's just, he's very stubborn in his belief in himself, which is a good thing. I think that's a good thing for anybody You know, so I would go with him, but definitely be ready to see some Justin Fields I think there's no doubt about that and he'll be going up against Lamar Jackson and the Ravens Where do you stand on the Lamar or Josh Allen for MVP debate? Yeah, it's a it's a really good question. I'm still leaning, I mean the numbers are just crazy, you know for Lamar Jackson this season his impact on

the game is unbelievable but I'm still leaning towards Josh Allen to win MVP. You know this year just because of all the things that you know he's been able to accomplish with a little bit lesser you lesser of a roster on both sides of the football. And Josh Allen, he accounts for 80% of the success that this offense is able to have in Buffalo, where I think Lamar Jackson is about 63 or 64%. I'm not really a numbers guy but that's pretty significant in terms of how much your team, how much value you're bringing to the offense. For me it's still Josh Allen. So you look at these games coming up, is there any potential, we'll call it upsets that you

could maybe circle and say I could see this happening? You know, the Green Bay Packers are just such a weird team to me because they're so good but they hadn't really beat anybody, you know, this season as far as quality wins are concerned. And you don't like the way that they're heading into the playoffs but you know they they were kind of similar in some

ways last year and and they just they went into Dallas and completely demolished Dallas in you know in Dallas and was able to advance in the next round and almost really beat the 49ers the next the following week and so you know in Dallas and was able to advance in the next run and almost really beat the 49ers The next the following week and so, you know listen the Eagles have been dominant all season long, but they've got their holes and their weaknesses too and if There's a chance Green Bay could really exploit that and take advantage and find a way to get an upset in Philadelphia Yeah, green Green Bay is an intriguing one because they just have stumbled into the playoffs and their pass rush is inconsistent, their wide receivers have really struggled, now

Watson's done for the year. It feels like... They could be toast, Hazy. They could be toast. Well, I mean, it feels like it's got to be the Josh Jacobs Jordan love like it's got to be Jacobs I guess you know and do you see that Robert you see it being basically Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley and whoever has more of an impact on the game could win that game I think that's a different you know the fact that Josh Jacobs sort of brings it down to

mentality that's physical mentality to the run game if he can can get going, he can get hard on the Eagles. And then you look at the fact that defensively Green Bay, they're not top five by any stretch. But McKinney and some of those guys can make some plays on the back end. We'll see what the health is for Alexander. But the Eagles have been prone to turn football over, you know, Jalen hurts That that can happen with this offensive So man if Josh A's we get going and the Green Bay defense can find a way to take the football away

You know, I think Green Bay can pull off the upset. All right. I like hearing that as a packer fan I love hearing that with Robert Turbin. We asked you about Alan or Lamar for MVP. What about Bills or Ravens in terms of who you would fear the most if you were the Chiefs? Which team in the AFC would scare you the most if you were on Kansas City? Yeah, that's a really good question too. That's a tough one. These AFC games are so tight, so close. But I think that I'd have to lean towards Baltimore in that question over Buffalo, particularly because Derek Henry. I think that he's an X factor in this and the game was so close in week one,

had it not been for a couple of, all side penalties on the Ravens, the tackle not lining up on the line of scrimmage or whatever, and a big toe by Isaiah likely, you know, the, the, the game may have turned out a little differently, you know, for, for the Ravens in that week one matchup. Uh, so I, I still think it's the Ravens, you know, Derek Henry is a future Hall of Famer.

He's a problem. Um, and I know that the Bills beat the Kansas City Chiefs early in the season, but it feels like that's what they always do until they see him in the playoff uh... but their lack of playmakers the bill that that worried me in a playoff game

and so i'll leave for the ravens in that matchup would it be crazy just to even bet against the chiefs and what they're capable of it seems like i don't know what kind of run they could possibly go on but they always just seem to find a way to get it done low scoring game blowout like they just they know how to win like do you think they're just gonna continue that or what I do especially in the AFC I mean really the only the only way I could see the chiefs losing and

potentially in the Super Bowl, in a rematch against the Eagles or maybe even against Detroit. But, you know, the AFC team, the Ravens, the Bills, you know, the Steelers even, I mean, these guys, I just feel like the Chiefs have the upper hand. And they'll be in some close games. They'll be good games. They'll be tight games but uh... you know the team the they will find a way i think they get back to the day of the away

no in the super bowl this season again crazy yet not at all unexpected based on what they've done this year and they've done for a number of years uh... he's robert server great catching up with the robert enjoy the games this weekend at the time we go you got it and it does feel like and this is uh... it's almost impossible to believe or envision but at some point you're

waiting for the homes to actually make a mistake in a big moment and that's how you know when it right like in other words it'll be a two minute war two minute drill bills up twenty seven twenty four in the guy actually throws a pick finally and I know like so many times It's like fourth and two fourth and six fourth in the final drive I think there was that way last year and he just gets it done He always always get ready was the same man fourth and two game on the line with if they don't get it the games Over they always get it always get it

but here's the thing though they get the calls too that's what everybody complains about 4-2 and something happens there's a PI available with a Brady or Mahomes throw they're getting it found something down the field exactly that is that is I don't know if that's true or not but but every time I see it, it's like, oh, there's the chiefs getting another call. This is what happens. Dude, the memes this year have been outrageous. Here's Patrick Mahomes at a Christmas party with all his friends and it's all referees. Yeah. I've seen that too.

So good. That one was great. Him just handing them gifts and them opening it with smiles on their face. But I guess you earn that at the same time. It's natural when you get human element, the refs are like, I'm pretty sure he didn't just screw that up. Probably something happened that let you down, right? Exactly. And they're on alert. They're waiting for it. That's the benefit of that one seed in both conferences. You get your feet up You're not even playing this weekend and then then teams have to come into your

Stadium like that like Ford Field was so loud on Sunday night and Arrowhead is crazy all the time Yeah so if you're You know if you're the Steelers or the Ravens or you know, the Bills or the Vikings or Rams or whatever, you got to win and then you got to go and face a rusted team who's better than you on paper in their house. Right.

It's a mind screw against Mahomes. Like you kind of like, they said about Jack Nicklaus when he was on a tear, most majors ever that he knew he was going to win. The other players knew he was going to win the other players knew he was going to win and he knew the other players knew that he was going to win. And it just makes you start doing stupid things. Like you just, I don't know, you just start doing weird things man and the guy ends up winning.

Well, I mean, listen, you're setting it up where if you look at the bracket, the FC, the NFC, let's say all the favorites win. That means in the divisional round, you're looking at the Texans playing the Chiefs. Chiefs would destroy them. I think even if the Chargers beat the Chiefs, or beat the Texans, the Chargers would be huge hunter dogs. And I think the Chiefs would win and possibly by eight, 10, 12 points. But then it would set up Bill's Ravens in the second round. That is what you're praying for if you're the NFL. You're just begging the Ravens to win and the Bills to win. So you're guaranteed one matchup of Mahomes versus Allen or Mahomes versus Lamar. That's the Super Bowl I think in terms of anticipation. I think that game

would be even more hyped. Maybe then the Super Bowl if it was let's say Bill's Chiefs again in the AFC Championship game that game would be remarkable and just there'd be so much buzz and at some point one of them has got to beat the guy. Like that's the reality. Like Alan could win the MVP maybe Lamar gets his third, good for you. When the dust settles, 15 in Kansas City still waiting for you. And you gotta beat them. Take all your MVPs and your regular season success and shove it, man. If you can't beat the guy, it doesn't mean that much.

And you might think you have him beat and there's 13 seconds on the clock and he's still gonna just shove it down your throat. there's thirteen seconds on the clock and he's still gonna do a still alive from but eventually there will be a time on our show where we're having it now it'll be different but the homes will be talking like a you know what the games fasted like the the air and i want to say for the next little bit of my career be my homes choking it's going to be a brutal call or a miscatch it a never be ever be my homes well at some point the guys got to age out but he it's not

happening in the next seven or eight years that's not a hair for his till it's late 20s I think yeah I know but it just there is that organization like they have an opportunity to three Pete and for the next seven or eight years after this one they've they're thinking we have a hell of a chance to win a Super Bowl. That's right. What a feeling that must be. What an incredible setup to be in. It's awesome.

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19 plus, physically located in Ontario. Leaves to Carolina tomorrow. Wonder if they got down there and maybe teed it up today. Maybe played some golf. I don't know. Who knows? Is the weather good there now though? Probably.

It gets a little bit chilly in January, February. But chilly down there, it's like 50, 60 where I would be like, are we golfing? Other guys down there would be like, it's too cold, man. I'm like, you're nuts. That's so infuriating. That drives me crazy. And you see Canadians down there by two cold man unlike your not so infuriating uh... that drives me crazy and you see canadians down there they will golf from morning until night yeah eight degrees just layer up and go play yeah like i was looking at what i was just golfing down in georgia

in december and i think even the people like the weather is going to be so cold in the morning like look at the weather yeah let's see it up in play right for up man yes as soon as as long as the sun is up and you're nowhere near trot your golfing i don't care about what you want to work to go ahead absolutely yet it's such a luxury to be able to say i'm just gonna that too cold

set eight degrees and sunny not planned yeah or up here and in april and October if it's eight degrees, it's a beautiful you're ecstatic. That's great. Beauty day. Seven degrees up here is my cutoff. Yeah, seven and sunny. You need some sun though, man. You need sun. If you don't get that sun, you are in for it. Little wind that howls through you. You don't like that. Yes. If it's one of those like seven feels like four and it's dark and windy or like that's that is pushing not a good decision It's just not enjoyable. It's tough at that point. Yeah, it is tough Anyway, we'll see what the Leafs have in store tomorrow night And we got a few games in the NHL tonight again the Flames and the Kings have been postponed. That's crazy

Yeah, those wildfires out there. It's so scary in LA. It's really scary. You guys met my buddy Joey there. He took a picture from his bedroom window last night, sent it to me. He's not, you know, fingers crossed, gonna be affected, but there's people that just wiped out, like Malibu wiped out, you know, Palisades wiped out. They're saying it might reach Santa Monica, and if that happens, that's big a terrible man here big big trouble uh... eric yeah it's really scary stuff

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