OverDrive - OverDrive - July 15, 2026 - Hour 2 - Atiba Hutchinson/John Cook

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Join Jim Tatti and Dave Feschuk for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Soccer Analyst Atiba Hutchinson joins to discuss Argentina advancing to the FIFA World Cup final against Spain and Golf Channel Analyst and Former PGA Tour Golfer John Cook joins to dive into The Open Championship, Scottie Scheffler's mentality and his win at the Canadian Open and the FanDuel Best Bets.

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Bell. Connection is everything. Hour number two, overdrive on a Wednesday. Jim Taddy, Dave Feshtuck from the Toronto Star. where the overdrive is brought to you by Fandul, bringing you more ways to play your game your way. Akiva Hutchinson will be in in a couple of minutes. He'll just stroll into the studio and we'll welcome him in talking about

Argentina 2-1 over England. Before I interrupted you at the top of the hour for our commercial break, we were talking about salary cap, I guess, exploitation. Circumvention, absolute, you know, fraud, let's call it, whatever you want to say, but making a mockery of the collective bargaining agreement.

But, no, the point I was going to make was, and it's been pointed out to me by people in the NBA, that nobody wants to really point fingers at salary cap circumvention because they get pointed back at you, right? It's not like the idea that this never happens, the idea that the idea that players never ask for things beyond the salary they're going to get is laughable because it's, you know, there's plenty of, I mean, there's plenty of talk about that in the league.

And it's obviously very difficult to prove because even when you've got, this incredible, you know, folder of evidence that the aspiration company going bankrupt and all the sources therein have provided in this particular case. It's very difficult to link it all up and make it, you know, the smoking gun that you think you need. But let's just say there's plenty, plenty of whispers that this kind of stuff happens. And it's not exactly a one-off. Absolutely.

So if you're talking about expenses, then that's a, that goes, little deep. Batiba Hutchison is here. Welcome. How are you? I'm good. Thanks. How are you guys doing?

Good. So getting over, you know, it was an interesting Argentina comeback went over England. I mean, that was a really pristine first half. And then you could see after England went up, one nothing, a bit of a wilt, right? Yeah, exactly. The first half, it was just kind of who's going to win the battle. You know, they're just fighting each other and very competitive, a lot of stopping going.

In the second half, it was England kind of started off good, but Argentina came through in the end because England may be defending a bit too much too early, I would say. So the big stat in this final four, Atiba, was that guess what? A team has never won the World Cup with a foreign barn coach, right? And there was only one team that had one in the final four, and that was England with Thomas Tuchel of Germany. When you look at the way they deployed their troops after going up won nothing, how much of this is on Tuchel and how much of this?

much of this you think will sort of be, will he carry going forward? I think a lot of it. I think, as I said, the signs that they show that they're going so defensive with too much time left on the clock, I think it was around the 72nd minute where they took out an attacking player and went more defensive. And it kind of invited the pressure on Argentina. And you can hear some of the players talking about how they realize that they're dropping off a lot and they were able to put in crosses and create chances. So I think those signs were not the best approach, I think even to give the players on the pitch from England.

Because as a player, you want to get your lines higher up and know that you're not inviting pressure too early. And I think that was way too early to make those changes. And then again, in the 82nd minute, they went even with another centerback to have six in the back, which is too much with so much time left on the clock. And you're playing a team that's won this the last time around. and you're also playing a team with a guy like Messi out there

who can sniff all that out, can he? That's right, yeah, yeah. He knows. He's so intelligent. The way he sees the game, he understands when there's moments in the game where he could take advantage of certain things, and he's able to get on the ball. And, I mean, there was four or five amazing passes that he made in the second half of that game,

and just a fantastic player. But if you give a player like that, the opportunity to really pick you apart, he'll definitely do it. I mean, when you watched him during this tournament watched him today, age 39, doing what he's doing. I mean, you know how hard it is. You've been on that pitch against these players in the World Cup. You know how difficult it is to command a game in that way.

Does it still amaze you? I honestly cannot believe I'm seeing what he's doing. I know he walks around a lot, but he's been doing that for many years. But the fact that he's still so, he's still so explosive, he still has that unbelievable past, the vision that he has. It's just, it's crazy to see that he's doing that at that age because I know how I felt when I was like right at the end of it. And, you know, when I lost a step, I felt like my game completely changed and I couldn't do a lot of the things that I was used to doing. But him, it looks like he's almost, you know, doing better than he's done in the last World Cup with his assist, with the goals that he has in this tournament.

It's absolutely amazing to see. So, I mean, that brings up the obvious question. Messy 10 years ago, Messi now. What is the difference? Well, it's a, it's a good question. And the difference I would say before is he was able to go one-on-one against players. He could take two, three players on at a time. And he was moving a lot more.

Now he's just picking his times at when he could do certain things. But when you give him the ball at his feet, it's what he sees and what he can do is just, there's not many players in the world that can do that. So I'm going to really enjoy reading the English press about this one, Atiba. And I'm wondering if you look at the game, obviously the tactics were one thing, but it didn't feel like, you know, the big names for England, the Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham, were very big factors in this game. I mean, what do you make of that?

Yeah, I don't think they really stepped up this game. I think both of them have been good throughout the tournament. Harry Kane has been continually scoring goals and Bellingham as well. But I think a lot of it had to do with the first half and the Argentinians mentally took them out of the game and how they wanted to play their game. So they weren't able to kind of just settle. down and do what they've done over the course of this tournament.

So I think you've got to take your hats off to the way Argentina approached this game. But yeah, in a game like this, this is when you need your top players to really step up and have a big performance. And I don't think we've seen that from neither of them today. So on the weekend when England won, the manager didn't really agree with how everybody was playing. The players didn't really appreciate it, I don't think. Is there any, does that factor into what happened today at all?

Or is that sort of forgotten? It could have something to do with it for sure because everyone's going to speak about it after the game. You know, you'll have your players that go back in the meal room and they're kind of having a talk about what had been said in the press right after the game. And the fact that they're not seeing eye to eye and, you know, those little talks, it's not a good feeling to have going into, you know, a semi-final, one of the biggest games that the country has ever been in. So, yeah, I think it does have a little bit of a factor. And then when he asks the side to play back and they know that what's going to happen, that's not. not going to work either, is it? Well, yeah, he's saying, I mean, that's not how we play, right? Yeah. What Bellingham's saying, he's saying, he's saying, you don't understand how it is.

You're not a player on the pitch and what is taking place, right? And you're asking them to drop down a little bit too much. And as I said, you're inviting the pressure. You don't want to be dropping back so much. You want to kind of keep your lines higher up so that you don't invite that pressure as much right away. So Sunday, Atiba, 3 p.m., Spain, Argentina. Who you got? I'm going for Spain. I've always loved the way the Spanish play football. They're very good at keeping possession, creating chances. And I think if you see them playing a game similar to what we've seen here today with England,

if Spain was to go up one zero, they're not going to drop so much. They'll stay high. They'll continue to want to play. Players on the team are going to want the ball. And it's a different approach in the way they play. But they're fantastic at really keeping possession, at the movement. All players are on the same page. The understanding that they have with each other is.

is really good. But of course, Argentina are a good team, and they've got a lot of experience. They've been here, and they've done that before, but I have to choose one. I'm going with Spain.

So sort of a wide question. We're at the end. When you look back over what you've seen over these last four or five weeks, how would you describe this? What did you think you were going to see, and what did you see? Yeah, I didn't expect to see such so many good games.

I mean, I thought, you know, a lot of the times you've seen the bigger teams play against the smaller teams and it's very one-sided. You know, the smaller teams sit back and defend and wait for their transition, but they've all tried to play. Everybody's tried to play, you know, quite a bit of football.

And we've seen some really, really good games and just very entertaining, exciting, lots of goals. The stars have really showed up in pretty much every team throughout this tournament and scored lots of goals and assists. So I think for the football fan, it's been an amazing turnout and amazing that it's been, you know, here in North America, Canada as well, for us to get that feeling of having a World Cup here in the country has been outstanding. So they expanded it from 32 to 48 for this one, Atiba, and now they're talking, because this works so well,

let's expand it again. Let's go 16 more teams, I think 24 more games to 64 teams. When you hear that for 2030, which will be in Morocco, Spain, and Portugal, what's your reaction? A lot of football, a lot of football for sure. I think it gives a chance to some of the other nations that would make, it would be harder for them to get into the World Cup. It gives them a chance to get out there. And as we've seen, the smaller teams are doing good in these tournaments now.

So I think it's great. I think it's good for football. More games, better for the spectators. So I think it's cool. It was great television. There's no question about that. And part of that is the comebacks. We had one today.

I mean, it seemed to me that there were more comebacks than we've ever seen. Yeah, that is football. You know, the game's not over. until the whistle goes. So it's always exciting. You've got to watch it until the very end of the game. And we've seen that with Argentina. Like you never give up hope.

You always have that belief that if you get that one goal, everything changes. And it's exactly what happened today. And when you're in the middle of a game like the one today, and everybody that's watching is sort of going, what is England doing? Like it seems like they're being way too defensive. It's an onslaught from Argentina. They're just getting balls into the box constantly.

And it felt like it just couldn't hold, right? But if you're in the middle of that, if you're a player and you know the coach is doing something that maybe doesn't make sense, is there any real pushback in this sport at this moment in an international game of that nature? I think that a lot of it has to come down to in that moment after what's been done is done from the coach. But there's got to be one or two individuals, the leaders on the team that have to say, look, we got to gain control of this game, right? Let's get on the ball. Let's slow the tempo of the game.

Let's try to get our team further up the pitch. I think it comes down to the guys like the Harry Kane or Belling on that say, look, we're too far down. Players got to really take that responsibility now. Like, let's not be so far in our box because the pressure keeps coming and Messi's playing in balls from the left side. That Paul is also playing in some good balls and they're shooting from far out. So some player has to say, look, it's not going the right way. Let's get up here. Let's get together and, you know, change this game a little bit.

That has to be pretty uncomfortable when you're playing and you know that, what you're doing isn't going to work or there's a chance it won't work because it's the wrong setup. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you feel like it's in your hands and it starts slipping away, right? It's not a comfortable feeling. You fight you, and we've seen that from England. They were fighting. They were trying to get blocks and such.

But when the pressure keeps coming and coming and you've got players like messy, eventually something's going to happen, right? So in your opinion, like you can blame the coach to a degree, but it's not all on the coach? Is that what you're saying? I wouldn't say it's all on the coach. I think a big part of it is, but there's also players on the pitch that got to understand that. And they've been at the biggest games and, you know, been at this stage before. So they've got to understand, like, now we're too low down. Let's get our lines up.

If it's the centerbacks in the front, they can see what's happening with the midfield is in front of them. So start pushing them up. You see on the first goal, nobody's putting pressure on him until it's too late. And that's a lot of communication that it comes down to. Well, actually, 2-1 is flattering. It could have been 3-1-4-1. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if there was maybe another two or three minutes on the clock, could have definitely been.

Yeah, a couple of posts, and it was crazy game. I mean, let's talk about the takeaways, too, Etiebo from Canada. I mean, there's been a lot of debate about, I think the states has had the same debate as Canada, about, you know, what's lacking on both sides and what was lacking in big moments was that, obviously not a messy, because there's only one messy, but a next level player to make that special play that goes from, hey, you're having a great first half against Morocco, but then you score against Morocco and get a lead instead of, oh, it's nil-nil, and the great first half doesn't really get you anywhere.

Like, you know, in your opinion, you've been around this country an awfully long time. You were born here and raised here. Can a Canadian system as it sits produce that type of player in your mind? I think we are, we've gotten so much closer. We're almost there. There's certain players that are coming through the system now that are very creative in that final part because now we're a team that is able to get into those positions. It's just that final pass that maybe is lacking or the finish. And I think Flores was a great example of that.

He's that type of player that loves to play in and around the box and looks for that little through ball or the combinations and can get a shot off. So I think that's our final piece in getting one or two more players that have that ability to really break down a team that's, defending in a really low block. And that's what takes us to that next level, I would say. But we've done a fantastic job of getting to this point. Oh, yeah. But that's the next piece to our puzzle. I think along those lines, people would look at,

because it was in Canada, US, and Mexico, that for Canada, all soccer events will be massively attended, and there'll be an influx of talent. And that's almost an unrealistic expectation. What should come out of that? Because it was a real success here in Vancouver. in Toronto. Yeah, I think the development, that's what's

important for us. We need to continue to develop players, you know, players that are these type of players that we're talking about the creativity and just expressing themselves. I think that's an important part for us, because we're always a country that's, you know, physical, athletic, we can run all day,

but it's those little, you know, type of players that can really push us to that next level, I would say, to answer your question. So for you, I mean, you were Canada's captain at the last World Cup and this World Cup, you've been TSN's, you know, analyst for great insight.

What's it been like? Have you missed being on the playing end of it? Or how have you been adjusting? I would have loved to play in a World Cup here in Canada and just to see how everything really turned out the atmosphere and everything. And just to see how much those players were enjoying it, you know. But to be honest, like, I was ready after the last World Cup because that was all for me.

You know, I had a long, amazing career, but I never played in a World Cup. So to cap it off with playing in a World Cup and to see the support that we had in Canada, for me that was great. But this was absolutely amazing. And I think the turnout in Canada was fantastic. I never would have imagined it to be that way. Seeing how, you know, it was in the stadium for the national anthem when they played that first game in Toronto. It was a dream come true because I've played so many games and seen how it was.

It was always like playing an away game. in our own country and to have that, you know, 360 was great. That's extremely well said that it's sort of a Canadian identity just sort of happened there, didn't it, where it didn't exist before? Yeah, for sure. For sure. It was amazing. Just, I mean, with the march and everything to the stadiums, that's a real good feeling for these

players going out there. And I think now everybody who's had maybe two countries that they support, you're really seeing that they're all in behind Canada. Now, be honest. I mean, when the Humadex was at 45, you didn't mind being in the air condition, studio. Oh my, I wouldn't be able to be out there. I loved every moment of that. Yeah, that's great. So, you look at, I was going to ask you about the third place game. Like, is there, if you're England and you're in the third place game, we've seen bronze

metal hockey games at various competitions where some teams take it seriously and they want to win it and some guys are just gutted that they're not in the big final. What do you expect from England in the third place game after a disappointment like today? Yeah, I think it's a tough one to really go out there and play. But at the end of the day, you're playing another game for your country. You have a chance to not win something, but, I mean, third place is better than finishing and fourth. At least to go out there and show face, like, really want to fight to get something out of it. I think that's what's most important.

But it's about being professional at the end of the day. You've got to be a true professional and show that you want to win every time you step out on the pitch. Thanks very much for coming in. All right. Thank you very much. Jared. Thank you, David Hutchison. We'll come back and talk to golf, among other things.

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Always fresh. Always first. Stream now on the free IHart Radio app. Eventually getting into some golf. John Cook will join us at the bottom of the hour from the Golf Channel, former PGA tour player. Just looking at the T-sheet for the open

and the first group goes out at 135 in the morning. Here. Yeah, I think coverage starts on 430. 4.30 a.m., I believe. It would make sense. On TV, anyways. I'm sure you can get some kind of feed if you're up at 1.30. If you're staying up or are you getting up for the British?

I got to believe you're staying up. Yeah. Well, I might get up around five-ish. I'm, could you ever, I'm sure there's somebody who does this? Could you go to sleep around eight or nine and wake up at one o'clock and then do whatever you have to do for the rest of the day? No. No. No.

Impossible. I couldn't. I mean, I guess I probably. if I was forced to do it, but it wouldn't be my choice. In my prime, I would have, 135 would have been three or four hours before I went to sleep. Were you a night owl in the day? I was. When you was sports line time?

Six in the morning. Right. And I had a satellite dish, so that didn't help the insomnia at all. I'd just sit there and watch everything. Because you would get home from doing your late shift and then, and then you'd still be buzzing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I used to leave right away, so I'd be home by 1230. and then, hey, where is everybody? Right, right. And then you were watching the late games. Late games, yeah, all the West Coast stuff I used to watch with the satellite dish. And then I got to the point where I could, they were production feeds. So they'd send shows back that didn't have the music added that weren't on network television for another two months, but I'd already watched it. Are you serious?

Yeah, oh yeah. There's all kinds of stuff up there back then. Wild times. Yeah, I just looked the dish around and try and find. So it was like a 12-foot dish. Is that right, eh? Yeah. Yeah.

It was fun. Those were the days. The glory days, as they say. I don't miss them, but they were fun at the time. Yeah. I mean, I got to say, British Open Championship, if you want to get technical,

one of my favorite weeks of the year. It's always just, it's so much fun. To me, it's the best, it's the best golf tournament there is. But such a variety. Yeah. And then the weather can,

you know, it could rain sideways, and then you've got a big problem. But I like the rotation of the courses. it really draws you in. And this one looks like it's going to be completely different because it's going to be baked out. It doesn't seem like there's any rain in the forecast,

which is quite unusual. And it's going to be hot and fast out there at Royal Burkdale. Yeah. So John Cook, when he joins us, has experience there, played it twice. Mm-hmm. So I'm sure it's not the same, although... Yeah, they renoed it.

It's a pretty extensive reno they did in the lead up to this one. So even the last time it was at Burkdale when Jordan Speeth won back in 2017. It's a, it's a, you know, a very different Royal Burkdale than we saw back then. Just a couple of hockey notes we didn't get to before. Anthony Mantle, New Jersey, two years, 4.75, and Perfetti with Winnipeg, five years and six to avoid arbitration. So there's still some guys out there, but it wasn't, you know, a healing, St. James said, called it a scrap heap.

Yeah. I wouldn't argue with her much. I mean, I don't know if I used those terms, but there's no, there were no prime assets out there. No. Well, it would be interesting to see what the prime asset is that they get to replace Steve Eisenman as GM in Detroit. And Joe from the bridge brought up an interesting,

interesting possibility on our text chain. Oh. Could Mr. Shanahan be a possibility? Ooh. Red Wings legend. Yes. Well, he was. He was the missing piece.

He was. So if you want to do a parallel, before Shannie showed up in Detroit, they were the Leafs. They couldn't go deep in the playoffs and just got embarrassed with some of their eliminations while they went a little deeper. But he was the missing piece.

He shows up and look out. Could he be the guy to take over Stevie Eisenman's mess and turn it into magic? Interesting. I mean, he'd have to be on the list. all indications are that he wants to work again and run another team and prove that the Shanna plan 1.0 in Toronto was

not for not. That he learned something that he's a smart guy that he knows what he's doing, that he can get a team over the finish line. I would still suggest, and I think Helene had it nailed with the analytics. That's the way they're going to go. Well, Shanney can make the case that he was, hey, he was on the cutting edge. He hired Kyle Dubus against the orthodoxy all those years ago, right? As assistant GM and he wanted to get on the, he wanted to understand analytics as soon as he got into the job as Leif's president. And he was, you can make a case that he was one of the most

open-minded of the old school, old boy network hockey executives in that era. And so that would serve him well. And the other thing that she said that that really sort of resonated with me was Could Dylan Larkin walk that back? Well, I think you can walk anything back because guess what? I mean, what do you say? It's like the Rorensky thing with Don Waddell in Columbus, they put out statements that say everything's fine,

but he didn't put out a statement that says, I want to stay here for the rest of my career. Like, yeah, it wasn't anything crazy like that. It was like, you know, there was no definitive, I don't want to be traded ever again. Like this is a dead issue It was kind of was just like, Yeah, we're going to get along here

And you know, this is this is the way it is now You know, so you can, I think you can walk anything back And well, your contract is the obligated to play if they don't trade you. So, you know, what's your alternative? Yeah, and depending on who the new GM is, that could be somebody who would look at that and say, No, no, we're going to work this out. We're going to iron this out.

I don't see the value of trading us. Or the new guy could come in and say, I don't want players for now. which is what Eisenman wanted, I want draft picks. And then that trade's done quite easily. Well, that would be the luxury that a new guy would have, right? If you're the new guy, if you're Shanahan, let's just say, and who knows if he's even in the picture,

we don't know what Chris Illich and the Illich family are up to in terms of the way they foresee the future of the Red Wings, and they're obviously going to be the ones that decide this. But, I mean, you can come in there and say, look, this is too big a mess to do the John Chica retool in Toronto. This is a rebuild. Like we, like our,

our number one sentiment wants out, we can't change his mind. So we got to trade him. And the only thing we're going to be able to trade him for that's worth anything is futures. Well, and she did say that part of the problem with the walkback is the upfront money on his deal,

the eight year deal, most of the upfront money has been paid. Yeah. And so they didn't, they didn't seem to like that according to her anyway. Well, it infuriates you that, You pay the bulk of his guarantee in cash and then, oh, now he wants that. See you.

When the deal is more favorable for whoever inherits the deal. I'd love to be able to do that once or twice, wouldn't you? It'd be nice. Yeah. Yeah, see you. I changed my mind. Yeah, you got to, hey, man, those upfront payments. All those leafs in the bonus.

In the dubious era that got a lot of their money out front. That must be a good feeling when you get a big, big direct deposit on July 1st. Just, you know, common person stuff could never understand. And Leo Carlson, I guess, is the latest version of this where the fleet of Brinks trucks shows up in the summer. And then they drive around for a year and then they come back in each of the next four years. And you got like 20 mil up front, 19.5 million. Yeah.

Pretty tax. But, you know, that's a pretty good direct deposit in the old account, all in one lump sum. Absolutely. Oh, well. What else do we have here? So we talked about, oh, he's there. Okay, good, let's do this. John Cook joins us on the, where is it,

the golf report insider driven by Subaru. With the Subaru, you get more standard features than you'd expect, and a great lease and finance offers you won't want to miss. Hurry into your local Subaru dealer today. So John Cook is here at Golf Channel analyst, former PGA player. John, welcome. How are you? I'm good.

How are you guys? Very good. So Royal Burkdale, what goes through your mind when we say that? It's a pretty tough test if the conditions are just, which they can be there. I played a senior open there. I never played the proper open there. But I enjoyed it. I thought it was very difficult.

The conditions were tough. It's a tough start. Whole number one is really one of the toughest opening T-shots that you'll ever face. So it kind of slapsed in the face right from the start. But the rest of the golf court, there's really no let up on the golf course. You've got to play well. And if the conditions are such, you know, it can be scored. But if the conditions are just a little bit dicey, it's really a good test of golf.

So when you look at the field here, John, there's an intriguing plot line with the defending champion, of course, being Scotty Sheffler, who many consider the best player of the moment. And yet he's at a moment where he's not the sort of seemingly unbeatable Schaeffler that we've seen at Sheffler's height, where he's missed the cut at the Scottish Open for the first time in a few years. He hasn't won in quite some time by his standards, obviously, and they're very high standards.

What do you make of the fact that some people are saying, hey, Scheplear ain't the guy this week? let's look at maybe some of these Europeans, a McElroy, a Fleetwood, a Fitzpatrick, or Rom. How do you see it? I would say be careful. Be careful of Scotty Sheffler. Like you said, he missed a cut last week,

first time in years that he's not playing on a weekend. I'm sure he had a good talking to himself, going from Scotland, you know, to England and to Royal Berk. Dale. He'll have a good look in the mirror and say, hey, I need to get back to basics. This is what I was doing when I was winning everything, and this is how I felt. Now, there's a lot of good players, and it's hard to win golf tournaments. And nobody knows that better than him. But like you said, you've got Rory playing well.

You've got a number of others, Tommy Fleetwood's playing well, and he's definitely got a home court. kind of feel to this week. So, you know, watch for him. Zander Shoffley's starting to play good again. There's just, there's a lot of, a lot of names in this movie. So it, we'll, we'll see tomorrow morning, but be careful, you know, sitting on Scotty Sheffler. I think he's just upset enough that, you know, you don't want to get him too angry.

And he can, he can do some incredible things. Well, take us to the first T-box. You talked about that first T-Shod. What, what happens there? What do you have to do? Well, there's gorse to the right. There's high, fescue, wispy, rough to the left. And it's kind of an awkward wind that comes at you from the left and in,

and, you know, forces you right over there to the gorse on the right. And the wind can blow at a pretty good clip. And it's just hard to fit a T-ball into that first fairway. So it's, it can be pretty rough. But if you do get that first ball, that T-ball in the fairway, it sets up a nice approach to a fairly wide green, not real protected by a whole lot. But that opening T-ball is very nervy. John, it's one of the great golf-loving traditions.

You know, if you're in North America, you flip on the TV on the Thursday of an open championship, and you inevitably see players in rain gear and tukes with umbrellas, and they're looking miserable. And yet it seems like the weather forecast, if it doesn't change radically, is not going to be given us that this year at Royal Burkdale. We're going to be seeing baked out conditions and nice hot summer weather on the British Isles.

How does that change things when you look at the tournament this week? Well, the fairways get really small, really narrow. If the golf course is green and lush, the fairways are usually fairly soft. Now, the rough gets a little wet. But what you're going to see is a lot of golf balls running through fairways, and the players are going to have to really keep that in mind on, where's the widest part of this fairway and what club do I hit to get there? You put it on the ground, let it run all the way down there.

You can take drivers out and try to really shorten the golf course up, But like I said, those firm, fast conditions are a lot of fun to watch because the golf ball, you can't say anything to the golf ball so it stops rolling. And it's only going to stop rolling when it either hits some green grass or some high grass. And you go into these greens, you know, out of the rough, it's not easy. So it's not, it's difficult to control your ball and exactly how far is the ball going to go. That's what your practice rounds are for, and they're getting a good idea. But if the wind switches, then it brings a whole other variable in on, you know, where do I go with this? So it'll be interesting.

It's going to play so totally different than a few years ago when Jordan Speeth won. And it was, the weather was, you know, the golf ball was kind of holding its position sometimes. It was green. It was lush. So it'll be a different. site come start tomorrow so you sort of got into it there i mean it's not normal and and for those of us that watch we love that because it's different but as a golfer how do you how do you get like how do you get your mind in order for i mean it's just a lot of ad-lib stuff there right it's

different how do you get prepared for that well you know that some players are going to be frustrated right from the get-go and you know that that was always kind of my i i i want to the challenge. I accepted the challenge and I knew that there's going to be some players that are going to eliminate themselves pretty quickly just by attitude. And I just, I loved it firm and fast. I played right into my game, I thought. And, you know, it's a, this is a game of adjustments. And the great players have that mindset that they'll make that adjustment, while others will just, you know, they'll be frustrated early and they just kind of, you know, like I said, they'll eliminate themselves. So I just welcome, I like the challenge. All major championships

are a challenge of your physical, your mental, you're emotional, your spiritual, how do you get along, you know, with the Open Championship in Burkdale and the changing conditions? you know, the guy, the player that kind of conquers all four of those will probably be the champion golfer of the year come Sunday. John, we were looking at your career resume before you came on and kind of remembering that you'd had a really good experience here in the GTA, the Greater Toronto area, back in 1983 down at Glen Abbey, where you won the Canadian Open for your second of 11 tour. victories beating Johnny Miller in a six-hole playoff. What stands out in your memory? What stands out in your memory of that epic battle? But you also have to go back and see who finished third. And that was Jack Nichols. So a big, big feather in my cap. I promise to that. I hit probably the best shot I've ever hit in my career on the 72nd hole there at Glen Abbey.

I hit a one iron from about 218 yards, I think it was, over the water, carried the water just on the right. The ball just ran through into the back bunker. It was a really simple bunker shot, and I hit it in there at foot to get into that playoff with Johnny Miller. So I remember those instances, and then I remember the first four holes that we played in the playoff. We played 16. 16 was a par 4 back then. We played 16, 17, 18. I had a chance to win the golf tournament on all four of those holes with, you know,

less than 10, 12-foot puts and didn't get it done. And then, you know, of course, Miller had a put on the fifth playoff hole, which is 17 of about 15 feet to win. And I go, well, he's going to bury this. going to be over. And what a shame. I should have won this an hour ago. And then I think as luck would have it, he missed. And then we went to the 18th hole again, our sixth playoff hole. And I drove it in the bunker. So I had to lay the ball up. I had no other chance, the left bunker, not the Tiger Woods bunker over there to the right that's way down there, but the other one.

And I had to lay the ball up, you know, into a comfortable little wedge shot. And Johnny, I think he drove it down the fairway, but then he missed the green going for the green to the left across the bunkers. So he didn't have a very good angle. He didn't have a, you know, very easy shot. And then I hit my wedge in there about six feet. And there was no way I was going to miss that one. No way. That didn't have buried it right in the middle. So, but to beat, you know, Johnny in a playoff and, you know, Jack finishing third on a course that he designed, I thought that was, man, I don't think it gets any better than this, unless you win, you know, a major against, you know, at any point in time. But it, the Canadian Open was very special to me.

I played well, you know, a few times at Glen Abbey. I played out west a couple of times, but, you know, always liked going up. And then when the Champions Tour went up into Montreal and had a pretty good run up there as well. So Ken has always been good to the Cook family. Boy, memories of 18 at Glen Abbey. I mean, when you said you hit a one iron, I could feel that in my hand. That vibrates.

But, you know, you're talking about 18, the Tiger Woods bunker. With technology now, most people would drive way past that. And you're talking about a time that's really pre-technology. When you watch golf today, what were your thoughts on all, you know, how technology has sort of moved this thing way forward? Well, it's interesting. It's a great question, and there's no, there's no, you know, right answer. It's just a, I, it keeps players in the game probably longer. I don't mind the technology. These, you know, research and development engineer guys, they're really smart. They're really smart what they do. And, you know, it's kind of a, you know, hats off to them for figuring all this out. Now, I think, the USGA RNA kind of have, you know, got behind the times and let it kind of get out of hand as far as their testing of where the golf ball was going, how fast the faces on the drivers were,

you know, how fast the ball was coming off there. And they kind of got, they kind of got outdated a little bit. And now they're trying to catch up by putting all these band-aids on all this. And there's, I mean, there's a number of things you can do to, you know, slow the ball down or, you know, make the ball spin more. I mean, there's a lot of things that you probably don't even hear about. But I don't mind it. I certainly don't want to use a golf ball that I'm going to hit 10% shorter. I don't want to do that.

I don't play golf anymore. I don't want to go do that. And I don't wonder who's going to buy this golf ball. And, you know, the manufacturers, I mean, they're the ones that are going to be out, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars trying to develop a golf ball that, you know, 200 people are going to play. I just, you know, that's a shame to them. But there's a lot of other ways that you could slow the golf ball down and, you know,

bring the courses back into, you know, true length. And there's a lot of ways of grotomy that you can, you know, make the golf courses stay relevant. So there's a lot of things that you can do before starting to do something so drastic as cost manufacturers tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. A lot of talk, John, about the new. PGA tour, or at least a coming edited version of the PGA tour, where they're going to have this two-track system where there's these, you know, essentially like a relegation and a promotion system with the best of the best playing at the top of the food chain and then the guys aspiring to be with those guys playing in a second tier. I don't know how much you've looked at that

and thought about it, but, you know, what do you make of it from a 30,000 foot view? Yeah, yeah. When I first first, I listened to that press conference with Commissioner Brian Rolap, and I thought it was intriguing. Then they came out and said, well, you know, there's a lot of tweaks we have to make. It's like, you know, pass this and then we'll figure it out later. It's one of those things. And I went, well, that's a little dangerous. They didn't really think this all the way through.

But they're going to have ample time to do that. I don't mind it so much. You know, everybody wants to. see the best players play against each other. And that's fine. And the only, one of the issues I have is, where are you going to get those fun stories from somebody, you know, that either got a sponsor's exemption or Monday qualified or, you know,

got in off of, you know, some other, you know, lists? And they might end up, you know, a story on Sunday, taking McElroy and Sheffler down the stretch, you know, who's this guy? And you know, what's his story? You know, Chris Godderup at the Scottish Open last year going toe to toe to toe with Rory and beating him down the stretch. I mean, you're not going to get a lot of those stories anymore. And that's a shame because I'm a matter of what you say, that there's not just 110 guys worthy of playing in these events.

I mean, there's so many more players that are great players. Now, they're going to have to play their way in to have those opportunities. but it's, you know, the relegation thing. That's kind of what it was when I first got on tour. You either were in the top 60 or you really weren't exempt. You had to Monday qualify. Or you could get an exemption, but until the all-exempt tour came along in 1982 or three, I believe, you kind of had that system anyway.

So it's going to be interesting to see what other, you know, ideas. is they come up with or, you know, what are the, some of the rules and regulations? I know that there's no way that you're going to say to Scotty Sheffler, you cannot play in Dallas. That's home tournament, it's home. There's no way it's you're going to have that. So they have to figure out something as far as, you know, some releases for some of these top players to go play in their home state or home city events, home club events every once in a while. So I'm sure that's going to be on the drawing board and see where that can fit in. But it'll be interesting.

Like I said, we want the best players playing against the best players. It's just a matter of who is going to get some of these other spots into these events. John, as we let you go, what kind of a score are you looking at to win this thing? I think with the firmness of the golf course and maybe the uncertainty of how far the golf balls really. going to go. I mean, it's going to be in double digits for sure, it normally is. I don't see a 20-something

under, like you might get around a St. Andrews or something. I think something just in the double digits, especially if the wind blows a little bit, that brings a whole other variable in. So I'm going like 12, 13 under par. Very good. Thanks, John. Appreciate it. My pleasure. Any time, guys.

Okay, John Cook, Golf Channel, analyst. And as we say, the open starts at 145 in the morning hour time. Can't wait. Oh, it's a great event. Really is. Some wacky stuff happens. And there's just some pothole bunkers and stuff. Oh, there's some crazy pot bunkers at this one, yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, we'll leave that alone. We'll come back and sum it all up. Overdrive continues TSN 1050, the IHeart Radio app, streaming online. Also available on TSN2. You're watching there and maybe live on YouTube.

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I'm going to say yes guy. And the main reason is because Dugie just came in here and said he's got Argentina. He hasn't been hot. No. He hasn't been hot. He just forfeited it. a major part of his paycheck to Fanduil on England.

So I'm going against Dugie. I'm going Spain and regulation after destroyed France and the semis. So that's where I am. I'm a I'm a yes guy. It's going to enter regulation. Okay. And we both like Spain, don't we? And you like him in regulation too? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Although this comeback, the comeback kids from Argentina is a hard narrative. Just like if Spain's up, it's like, they came back from 2-0 down to Egypt and won. They came back from 1-0 down in Switzerland and won, and then they just pulled off one of the great comebacks here against England. After England scored in the 55th minute, they scored two goals in seven minutes to win

to one and move on to the final to try and defend their title. This is, I mean, I see where Dugie's coming from. They're a hard team to pick against. Well, I wish we had more time. We could show that picture, but we don't. Oh, yes. Oh, I have a minute. Oh, we do.

Okay, there is right there. The incredible picture of Leonel Messi with Yamin Lamal, the great Spanish striker. Apparently in this photo, which was done for a charity calendar, Lamal is five months old, that man. 19 years ago. And there's a young Messi who is looking better than he ever has at age 39. Although he didn't look 39 today, did he? I shouldn't say he's not better, but he's damn good, man. What a magician.

Yeah. Well, you know, it's great to see somebody like that, but the question is, can he do it one more time? I'm having a hard, like, doogie's been on Argentina. That's a problem for me, but it's hard not to pick up in Argentina, yeah. Let's be honest, a bit of a curse. You know what, I'm going to bail out. I'll be back in here in late August. I have to head back to the whatever guy lodge on Lake Yes, Guy, to get some more R&R in. All right. And you're in tomorrow with Mark Rowe. Enjoy your time. I will.

Yeah, I will. So enjoy the rest of your night. And I hope you have luck with the British Open. And for everybody else, thanks for stopping by. Thanks for joining us online, TSN2. And good night to all of those watching on YouTube. Have a good night. Hey, everyone is Dugie here.

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