OverDrive - OverDrive - July 17, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Frankie Corrado, and Jason Strudwick for hour 1 of OverDrive! We celebrate Struddy hitting the big 50. We react to the Maple Leafs acquiring forward Dakota Joshua. Golf Canada CEO Laurence Applebaum joins the show from Royal Portrush to share his thoughts on the first round of The Open.

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TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker and up on TSN2, Brian Hayes, Frankie Carrotto and there he is, the birthday boy himself, Jason Strudwick. Happy birthday Struddy, what a way to spend it man, a Thursday with a couple of guys from Toronto, just what you probably dream of when you're turning 50, right? I couldn't believe it, when I was a young boy, 11, 12 years old, looking to the future when I was 50, where would I want to be? You know, Europe, New York, no. In my office with you two gentlemen, and I could see Frankie got all dressed up, must

have just got off the treadmill Frankie. I was having a bit of a dilemma today trying to find something to wear for this. We're a little behind on the laundry Happens all this and it's a this is one of those days man. You get the open on You know, there's literally nothing going on in sports. This is a relaxed put your feet up. Let's have a fun time There's nothing wrong with that for three hours. Yeah, man It's ready the fashion police for sure You were a fashion police guy guy shows up to the rink right away Strudy's got something to say. Where'd you get those jeans? They come with a bowl of soup? I got abused. I was not a good, I didn't care. I still don't

really care about dressing. You know like kid, you know when you go watch look at the Mona Lisa, no one knows what the frame looks like right? And so like I would wear whatever I wanted or nothing. It didn't really matter. I looked good. Yeah, well, that's true, man. The locker room etiquette, it's a wild scene in there, man. It's a wild scene in a dressing room. And yeah, I could see Strud giving it. And then I guess you gotta be prepared to take it too, right? If you're gonna chirp

what other people are wearing constantly, especially crazy suits for young guys who just got money Like that's what I always find amazing about pro sports You know the 19 year old 20 21 year old who has no style has worn a track suit almost every day of his life and all of a sudden he's got a million dollars in the bank and someone says you you got to get some suits and Like some of them are just classics if you go If you rock a Navy suit, you can't miss. It's tailored properly, Navy suit, white shirt and a tie,

boom. But if you get crazy and you can, you see some guys in a hot pink suit. You'll see different stripes. You'll see different top hats. That would never happen in Struddy's day. Never. That's gone.

No one's showing up to the rink in those types of things back then. No. No one was. Mark Messier got me a new suit and he got me a green suit. I didn't even have a navy blue suit. I was wearing this green suit. I'm like, why did I buy all of green suit? I don't even have a blue or a black one. But I had this thing for years and I still regret buying it. I should have just gone more conservative, but he wanted me to get out of my comfort zone. You know what's another one that you can sniff out a guy that's just freshly up from junior? The travel bag. If he's got one of those Reebok duffel travel bags that you get as

a shoot apparel in junior hockey and you show up on the private bird and everyone's got the nice black Louis Vuitton or the Gucci bags and you're like Someone's gonna have a word with you at some point about purchasing an NHL travel bag shortly Have to have to write and that's that's the beauty of the old-school stories, you know, like I've heard Charles Barkley talk about it I've heard NHL players NFL players like young guys that come into the league and someone, you know, takes them under their wing, so to speak, some grizzled vet who's married with kids and has been in the league for 15 years and basically teaches you like this is how it's going to work. And I'm curious how that's going to happen, you know, again in the NHL. We've talked a little bit about it, like I guess this new provision in the CBA where the players association

Evidently has been fighting for a more relaxed dress code or I guess no dress code basically you can my understanding is he players can wear almost whatever they want out of the games and Historically, it was always just a suit and I would guess 80 90 percent of players will continue to wear suits The question is breaks loose like who is the guy or who are the guys who like screw it i'm wearing you know whatever tank top i'm wearing shorts i'm wearing a short suit i'm

wearing you know glasses coming in top hats coming in there's gonna be guys monetizing it there will be guys walking in with a t-shirt with a big logo and they're getting paid a hundred grand for the year to show up to every game where in some some companies logo across their chest that's gonna happen at that's a good point actually I guess you know could you broker some deal with some boutique or some massive line of clothing and all of a sudden you become the spokesman and you're wearing that

that current might actually open up someone's got to get a Costco endorsement. You got to show up to games with Kirkland right. You got to be on the fourth line. Like you have to be a fourth line if you're the face of the Kirkland. The guy on Calgary Kirkland. Yeah Kirkland. The guy who's got to do it. You're right.

You know what's crazy guys like how often do we even see video of the players entering the game or the rink before the game? Like Toronto Maple Leafs, it seems like there's cameras everywhere. Maybe Montreal, but outside of that, we don't see a lot of footage of guys walking into the games. Maybe the playoffs a bit more, but I don't think it's actually that big a deal. I saw that and a couple of my buddies are like, oh man, these guys aren't going to wear suits while you don't see them when they walk in. Maybe you see them when they walk out, but I don't know. I don't think it's that big a deal actually. I think a big

deal is the no fitness testing. I can't believe that teams went for that. How are you going to know if a guy is in shape? You can say, well, we're going to skate him, but I think it's good to have a baseline. Personally, I wanted to have a baseline that I knew that my VO2 or whatever my ever numbers were all kind Personally, I wanted to have a baseline that I knew that my VO2 or whatever, my ever numbers were all where I wanted to be. I knew as you got older, but I think you need that baseline. I didn't look at it as a punishment. I don't know if players think it is now.

I look at it as a measurement to see that Frankie Corrado, Jason Straddick, Matthews, all these guys did the work in the off-season because I also want to know which one of my teammates did and didn't do it that's an interesting thought like the idea that you're tracking your teammates yeah i hadn't thought of that but you're right if some guys that is on our own can't do anything in the view to your leg i know what this cat's been up to the last three or four months and

we have a big year this isn't a great start yeah this guy stopped hacking darts in the middle of all this getting himself ready to go to the other side he was going to show up and go 20 minutes on the bike. Not going to happen. You know what I think has happened though, Strudy? I think training for hockey has changed now so much that guys train a certain way for hockey and then they get to a certain point in the summer, call it middle of August, and they go, you know what? Fair point. Actually got to get ready for fitness testing now. And it's like two different things.

Fair point. I think if you're not doing it now, then you're just falling behind and it's way too competitive. The guys that make a lot of money, like the Pedersen kid in Vancouver, there's a great example of a guy, you'd probably love to have a fitness testing for him this year to see where he's at. But I think it's the number of guys that would be falling behind are so minuscule because it's just way too competitive now and you can lose your job too quickly. No, and that is a really good point.

That's a really good thing because you're right. There's sometimes like I got to get on the bike or I got to do this to build my VO2 up. So let's make it more sport specific. Something I know the lot of trainers like to see is broad jump. So doing three broad jumps, I mean, you probably did that skipping into your office today, Frankie Craddle. That is nothing to do. So I can track where I'm at and same with maybe like hip mobility. That's another thing I know that trainers really like. But the days of the bench press, I mean, I get on that thing and you're trying to just kill it.

You're like, what am I doing here? Like, you don't, you don't, you don't, you know, I'm not throwing a ball here. So I think maybe it's maybe be more sports specific just again so I can track it. I know I can get it tracked by my own trainers and everyone has their own trainers. But I don't know, I just, I don't, I, I, guys, I think at some point we might see the fitness testing come back. I really do. Again, not as a punishment, but as a way of tracking where I'm at and tracking each other

and holding each other accountable on that team. Yeah, it's an interesting thought. I think what you said, Frankie, is very accurate in terms of the modern athlete. I remember speaking with, I think it was Max Domi years ago, about how he trains in the summer where he wasn't using weights. It was all like running and, you know, stretching it like he was working out extensively, clearly he's an incredible shape, but was not like. Throwing up thun bells and, and bench press and all that were again, to prepare for the test, just to make sure Craig Barube is happy with you.

Maybe you got to do that. Like if there's some sort of expectation, like you got to hit 15 at 225 or whatever the number is and whatever the denomination is, where it may not be conducive to what you're doing all summer. But I also wonder if there is a work around with this in terms of them just applying it to the ice. Like we're going to get you on the ice.

Like so that first day, like be ready because we're time. Because I've always wondered that also. Like I get the importance of being in shape. I get the importance of being in the gym and you're a professional. You have to do it. We talk far too often about players who, well, they really got in shape this year. Yeah, you're supposed to. You're a pro.

Like you have to do that. Like that's that's a requisite. It's not something you should year. Yeah, you're supposed to, you're a pro. Like you have to do that. Like that's a requisite. It's not something you should be getting some flowers for, some celebration that you did it. But I wonder, I've often wondered this in every sport, I don't know what it would look like, but is there a way to test like actually what you've been working on on the ice?

Like is there a way to test, like is your shot harder or better or faster or quicker? You know, is your stride better? I don't know. I mean, wouldn't that be more? There is, but you wouldn't know it. You wouldn't know it because all these teams now wear, like it's called like a catapult.

It's basically like a bra strap with like a chip in the back and we would wear these in Toronto and Pittsburgh. And basically it could tell you all that stuff. It could tell you if your right side was working harder than your left side. And we could kind of forecast, hey, maybe this right hip is going to go at some point. Like they have all that technology. But I think, like my kind of takeaways from all these camps, like having done, I did John Tortorella's camp torturella I did Travis Green's crazy one actually Babcock's wasn't too bad but all these guys want to see is when you are pushed to a place that you don't feel

comfortable going what like what's the look on your face are you are you still grinding through it do it look do you look like you're defeated do you look like you're tired I think that's what these guys really want to get out of this thing more than, like the sports science guys, they'll get all the other stuff, right? But it's more the coach wants to see like how comfortable is this guy in a really crappy situation. Yeah, and I like that idea. And I think that that is obviously going to have to continue, right?

Like regardless of what the cb a says coaches are gonna have theirs but every every sport you know has has softened and that like you talk to old-school football coaches hockey coaches to was always two days they are two days all the time i think that's what it was he showed up in the morning grinded for two hours go out some lunch chill for a bit get the pads back on we're going to hit again in the afternoon and

You know, they're still complaining about that and the game softer now and the games not as good Even though there there was no evidence that the two a days actually meant anything come the season it was just a way for I think coaches to get into the action and and get things going but Yeah, I mean all you guys bring up good points I am curious now about tracking clothing deals and stuff like that for the players. You know who made it big was Cherry. Don Cherry is the guy who made it big.

Yeah, that's right. That's when it popped though. That's when it meant something. When Don Cherry would show the players, and I don't know if he ever got on Hockey Night's Strut, but I'm sure it was a big moment for you if he did. Like, look at this guy. I love him.

He's the bad look at how good they look like that's what cherry is to do all the time and kind of glorify, you know, the suits and how good guys looked when they're walking in the rink. It was the best and that was it. That's all I remember because you're right on a Tuesday night on global. I don't remember them showing guys walking into the gardens back in the early 90s. It was basically hockey night and it was Coach's Corner.

That's when it started. No, it's, I mean, Don Cherry being recognized by him was something special. He did, I met him once or twice and he was like, oh, Jason Stradwick, whenever. It was so cool to hear him. But in all my years, I got interviewed one time for hockey night in Canada, one time, and I got the towel. You know, They take the towel, they put it over. Honestly, I think I loved that towel more than I loved anything, including my family. I had this towel. So a friend of ours moved in this for a few months and I had the towel kind

of put away, but it was above the other towels. I come home one day, she's working out in my gym in the basement. I go down and say hi, there's the towel. She's wiping her greasy face off. I was just like, you're out. You're out. Find a place to live. That's a kick out. That's a hotel.

I lost it. She's like, I thought she had more. You thought I had more. Have you seen my stats? They don't introduce you to the seventh offenseman every Saturday night. They do the top guy. I was losing it, so I washed it and folded it properly again and I still have it. But disrespectful Frankie. That's got to be on display man. I've seen guys, some guys get really carried away with

that towel. They've used it as like their golf towel. I have seen that before and I couldn't believe my eyes. I'm like, you just hit a chunked up 60 degree wedge. You took a divot the size of a deal and now you're gonna white that with you get away from the fact that the hockey night i'd you're out of your mind now but you're right man i i would look at that like the rules of like touch in the standard cup of you've never won one

yes you can't touch a hockey night canada towel if you never played but it wasn't given to you by like the producer you know, it's Scott Oakes standing beside you or whatever like you you got you can't do it I'm sorry. Like those are those are sacred threads and Starting were you in the league when they implemented the three-hour rule at training camp? Yes, they so my first training camp practice, practice. We were there all day. I came out of there, I was so tired. I'm like, I'm not in shape. I remember calling the guy who kind of worked me out this summer, he's like, how's it going?

I said, I'm out of shape. He's like, what are you doing? I'm going to practice the game and practice. When they put that three hour rule in, it was nothing. It was such a joke. And now it's shrunk down more. And I get it. Guys are in shape and I think they're moving in the right direction.

This isn't like, look what we used to do. But just to give you a sense, it was so hard. You were so tired at the end of the day. You just dragged yourself back to your room, tried to eat something, just passed out. It was incredible how hard it was. When I heard stories of guys like the old grizzly guys that when the three hour rule came in, they were watching that clock like a hawk from the time they got there to the time like they were watching on the ice and they we're getting there and then you hear stories right like they just get passed around the league certain players with a pretty big or we're like we're out of here.

Oh, see you later. Practice is over. I was with the Blackhawks and Steve Sullivan called the PA because we're out there longer than three hours and the next day it was timed. It was it was it was beautiful. It was actually beautiful because if you can't do it in three hours, I mean come on. Let's get, you know, we're coming pretty much in shape. Yeah, and he just, I remember he said I called the PA and they were going to get it straight

out next day, three hours. Who do you call at the PA? Like are you at that point? I don't know. Are you calling Bob Goodenow I guess it would have been? Are you calling it directly? You got like a play rep. Hey Bob, we're two minutes over here? Like someone's got to snap their work. He's got to rep at the PA, right?

Every team has like your corresponding guy that you go to and then it goes to the top from there. And that's what you have the CBA and you have unions, but that's also why you have seniority and guaranteed contracts because I guarantee you if it's not a guarantee contract steve solvins making that call you know because you have a lot of worried like the coach is gonna snap on your hate your say we're working on special teams you want to be on the power play alright

no pride go go make your phone call go ahead you're not a power play anymore but when you get this we have the cba guaranteed contracts and but you mentioned alas Pedersen, what's Vancouver gonna do to him? If he shows up and goes, actually I'm not doing that. I'm not doing a fitness test. What are they gonna do, cut him?

Send him to the minors? Like the guys, he's got a full no move. He makes more money than any, he makes four million dollars more than Quinn Hughes. And like Pedersen, I don't know, like that's another thing that if I'm him, I wouldn't really appreciate some of the reporting that's been coming out of Vancouver, where I've heard we all have that he's having a great summer in the gym. Like that's embarrassing.

You've been in the league for a long time and people are giving you, again, a standing ovation because you're working out hard in the gym. I don't know. I wouldn't want those type of reports out if I were him. I'd want the reports after we see what your first 20 games are like. Yeah, let's see how you play. Because if he shows up, if we hear all this praise about how great of a summer Elias Pedersen is having and he's showing up to the gym and he's doing all his workouts and he's in his best shape ever and he goes first 10-20 games

and he's not even half a point per game then where are we at? Because that was the one thing that was supposed to lead you to having success and if you're not having it then where do we go from here? Did you lose it? Did the league figure you out? then where do we go from here? Did you lose it? Did the league figure you out? Then you start asking those bigger questions and it's not just one thing anymore and then you're right back to the drawing board with him.

He's so talented and he's so smart. He's got such a good shot and what I saw was he didn't seem to have any quickness to his game. He was getting to places slow and not making plays. So I think some of that was probably the knee injury and unable to fully train last year. So I'm interested. To me, he's one of the most interesting individual players to watch this first 20, 40 games of the year because if he's not going, Canucks are going to be hard pressed to get going. But if he can get himself going, they're in a way better spot. But I don't think he was in shape last year.

He just looked like he was getting to places slow and that's not ideal for a skilled player who's kind of slight already. He's not a powerful guy. Well, exactly. He's got to get there a step faster than the mutant who's chasing him down because if he's in battles, like physical battles, he's not going to win them. All right. So speaking of which, I've got a couple of rankings for you guys today

that I will hand out. You guys can debate among yourselves, you can take shots at me, you can take shots at the list. We figured after ESPN has been releasing all these top tens, top ten quarterbacks, top ten running backs, top ten everything based on execs and GMs and scouts, I'd list the ten best players, skaters in the nchl today we'll get to that and mid-july you know we're through the draft with rude

free agency there hasn't been much going on i'm gonna do a canadian rankings as well one through seven as of today again the subject to change to three months from now once we get started we'll get to that a little bit later this afternoon uh... laurence apple bomb our friend uh... ceo of golf canada is over there royal port rush once we get started. We'll get to that a little bit later this afternoon. Lawrence Appelbaum, our friend CEO of Golf Canada, he's over there at Royal Port Rush. Weather has been crazy and the rounds are taking forever. Those guys are out of the courses for like six, seven hours. Where's

the union for these golfers, man? They'd be calling it in at the turn saying, get me off the course. It's been way more than three hours. So we'll get you a live update on the Canadians, on how McElroy's looking, Scheffler's looking and day one of the Open Championship. So we'll get to that a little bit later in the hour. Frankie's in here, Struddy's in here, I'm Brian Hayes, Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 2. Seasoned gamer or just video game curious? This Week in Gaming is the podcast for you. We break down the latest in the world of video games, from basics to beyond. The hottest gaming news, insight and industry leaders and more, weekly.

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Sandbaggers, that Chris Martin, man, was that a scene in Boston last night? Are you kidding me? What are you thinking? Dude, Coldplay just spent like six days in Toronto and everyone I knew and everyone I'm sure that you know, Hayes, was at those concerts. Are you crazy doing that? So nuts, the backstory, if you're not online is cause I haven't seen anything blow up like this in terms of viral in

quite some time. Like this is crazy because Cole plays touring through North America and it's such a massive tour. Like you mentioned, they were up at Roger Stadium for four days And you know they were here so long Chris Martin hated the stadium and then pretended he actually liked it by the end but that is a pair of colleagues That clearly are having an affair Allegedly or certainly looks like there could be something going on there

And they get caught on the big screen chris martin's like a look at these two and then absolutely explodes online again people reporting that the you would be it might be a c o and someone who works in hr they're both married heehee but the whole thing obviously not married to each other. I mean it's just the craziest scene and basically you outed yourself at a cold play concert. And to your point, Frankie, everyone is that like there's someone you're going to run

into that knows you there. Like it's just it's too big of a concert. It's too big of a pop culture moment. Now this wasn't hearsay, hey, I saw John and you wouldn't believe it. Now this is obviously going online and it's exploded and it's everywhere. But man, Coldplay, Chris Martin,

he just turned that guy's, both of their lives completely upside down. And there's no getting the horse back in the barn now. It's gone and it is sprinting as fast as it can go. The memes right now, crazy, with this are unbelievable. Like, I go on Twitter right now and if I'm not on the following page, if I'm on the For You page,

this is the only thing that exists in my timeline. Same. it's like it's the only thing that's happening right now hello is the crappler treating that out these cold play concerts are getting out of hand and people are posting like pictures of people and there's me in the old dog that was actually on the hug camp that's kosher bag It wasn't kiss cam, but it was hug cam. And we were tipped off, you know, hey, it's coming. You get weird

in the alumni box and we're like, well, what are we supposed to do? Are we going to hug it out? And Oh, look how awkward Oh is like, Oh, it was so awkward. And I'm like, I'll go in for the half hog, like the shoulder grabbing Pat, let everyone know we're in on the act. But anyway, yeah, cool play. Changing lives, changing lives. If you're having a fair, you don't cuddle at a very public event. That's just, that's just as it, I mean, it doesn't even make sense. You're kind of, you're almost like you're asking to be busted. Like just, okay, now everyone knows it's out there, right? Now our families know our wives, husbands know like, that's what you quietly do on

a beach in the middle of nowhere. It's just, I don't know. Unless you're asking for it. Well, maybe. Unless you're just like, this is it. Maybe. We're going to do it. And the CEO's wife, she's going to be driving a new Porsche very soon because she's 50%.

Can you imagine going home after that right now? Oh, my God. Can you imagine going home after that? Oh my God, on both sides. And what was the explanation for why the significant others couldn't go to Coldplay? That's another part of it. I've got to go. We've got work tickets. I wish I couldn't go, but I have to. I've got to bring people from work. It's like, yeah, okay, dude. Who are you kidding? All right, so more on coldplay a little bit later this afternoon we got laurence applebar coming up from royal port rush a little bit later in the hour but we have a trade to announce a

sound like jerry the uh... we believe have acquired dakota joshua from the vancouver canucks i believe for a fourth round pick is that right j p a fourth round heck for Is that right JP? a fourth round heck for Dakota Joshua Dakota Joshua coming home. He was drafted by he was drafted by the Leafs. I think he's a Michigan kid I believe he was born in Michigan, but yeah, he was drafted by the Leafs and You know yet health issues last year

Obviously that you know delayed the start of his season his numbers were not off the charts this past year But the year before he had a career year for him. He had a very good year very productive year But he could play center. He could play wing. He's a big guy. It's kind of like a Is this kind of like another Nicholas wall? Like how would you describe? You know Joshua and what kind of role he's gonna play for the Leafs He's you know, like because we've been talking about what brad shale living says like last year was more snot this year it's dna that needs to change

this guy fits the mold of what brad shale living is talking about and he can be a difference maker two years ago uh... when when he was there in vancouver with rick talk it talk it was really hard on him. He like, you need to be confrontational. You need to be a guy that makes people uncomfortable on the ice, and if you can do that,

you can make a difference. And Dakota Joshua, to his credit, did that and had a really good season. He had like 18 goals in 63 games, was half a point per game, but more importantly than that, it was the way that he played. He was a difficult player to play against, he was physical, he was abrasive and so if you think about what Toronto was trying to do now and how they're trying to turn over some of that DNA, yeah like I get

it's not a hundred and two points Mitch Marner like there's never gonna be the one for one replacement but they're trying to patch it up in a different way. If he's healthy, he has that element of trying to make people uncomfortable on the ice with the way that he plays, how confrontational he is, how physical he is. This is a guy who fits a role in a really nice way for toronto hundred-percent you know that the two years ago he was a really good player you he could skate he could score he could hit and he's got a little bit of like uh...

as as you mentioned like that marsha and uh... vanderkeen kind of annoying presence on the ice he he's noticeable i i want to see who's with was it with uh... what's a little guy that plays for vancouver luger and garland it was their line Joshua Luger and Garland at that third line in Vancouver two years ago was one of the best in the league really third lines wise and a hundred percent really good so do you put them up beside is it maybe lot or beside Nick Wah and try to get that going

again right trying to we and just the other day we were talking about the the third line of the bottom six for the lease i think this adds something there i think he can score he could hit he could be a lot of things out what is his cap is it like is it like three or four million bucks it's in the high threes yeah it's just under four so which player you getting was the player two years go last year last year's you mentioned actually actually had testicular cancer you did it and that the treatment really, and that would have thrown his, I mean just all that emotionally,

not to mention physically, what that does. I don't think he ever got on track, but coming home and be energized. I like this kind of, for a fourth round pick, that's not much to give for a guy that I think could bring that to this middle of the lineup, maybe, you know, what they need, what they need. Yeah, it's interesting, like from I can't quite figure it out from Vancouver's standpoint, like again, he had it down year last year, they didn't they did they had it down year collectively.

Maybe it's a cap dump. That's I would guess they have something else cooking, you know, maybe they're in on someone else or they have a couple of other things coming and they had to unleash somebody. But you know, for a fourth round or 2028, again, I'm I guess a little bit surprised another team wouldn't step in and offer that and possibly bring him in again, because he's six threes. He's 29 years old. He's again, Nick was six three and shoots right.

Joshua six three and shoots left. Can play center uh... it is going to be interesting like these are clearly bottom six players this is not a guy who's gonna play in the wing with the bars or matthews or whatever i mean up front you know it's gonna be matthews and knives

to borrow some new lander and they're they're gonna figure out who else is gonna play with them but shelly's gotta be up there. Charlie will be one of the link. Maybe it's Max Domi is another one. You know, it's they're going to work that out. But I think in the bottom six, you mentioned lot and Joshua lot and wall like you've got three veteran guys who I think can play center. They can play the wing if need be.

I think this is a precursor to Davidid camp clearly not being a part of the team in the future of that i don't think that would surprise anybody didn't play the playoffs but they're gonna have to find a way to unload that uh... you know it's a little croak yes yard croak jimmy's or the other osho of fills more of a role like a clearly defined role that makes your team harder to play against the cali your croak your

thoughts like that he's a versatile guy. Do you think he'll play center, Frank? Or do you think he'll play up, like could you see a scenario where it's Matthews, Tavares, Wad, Joshua? Like that's your one, two, three, four up the middle. Could be. Yeah, like it could give you flexibility. Like you could go Lawton, you could go Joshua.

I think when he was playing his best in Vancouver, Bluger was the center. And it was Garland, Bluger, and Joshua. I think when he was playing his best in Vancouver, Bluger was the center. And it was Garland, Bluger, and Joshua. So in my mind, I see him coming into the fold as a winger, but at least you have a little bit of flex that way. And it gives them a chance to get more minutes too. When you're playing fourth line center, not getting as many as the third line left winger. Obviously, I'm talking five on five. I don't know if he fits it. Obviously, probably not power play. Maybe some penalty kill, but I see him as a big heavy winger.

You know, when you're playing against the Florida, he can go out there and he can get to those D. He can make it happen. Like two years ago, he was a really impact player for the Canucks. Again, last year, not there, but I think this is a sneaky pickup if he can get back to that level.

Yeah, it's an interesting move. The Leafs acquiring Dakota Joshua from Vancouver for a fourth round pick in 2028. Now again, part of that could be because he does have some term and some money that the Leafs, because Vancouver is not retaining any money that we're aware of it as of right now, maybe that's basically what this is. It's a salary dump effectively which that could be what cali are crook turns into who is still a good player in the league but can't play

you know david camp can play they got the the there's gonna be a market for him to play somewhere in the league is thirty two teams you know can he be on the fourth line in san jose i would think you probably can't go back to chicago or something like that if joshua's get the a fourth, that's what you would expect at best if you're going to move off those two guys. You're not going to get anything.

Well, and now Hayes, think about Toronto's lineup, okay? So you're going to have, let's say you have Nyes on your top line. You can have some combination now of like Bobby McMahon Dakota Joshua Nicholas was Scott Lawton You know, this is the guys that are more I guess prominent but You have bigger framed guys even Lorenz's back. Yeah, exactly Stevie Lorenz like you got bigger framed guys who are willing to play more of a robust kind of game scattered throughout the lineup now where it feels like in the past it was like, yeah, we got our

one guy or we got our two guys. Now it's everywhere now. It's on every single line if you want it to be. I love that. He can do it. That guy will be physical out of 12 forwards. It doesn't work like that. You see it with Florida.

It's player after player coming in. Being physical doesn't mean blowing guys up. Being physical can also be driving the net hard or taking a puck wide or winning a puck battle against someone else. That is also being physical. I think sometimes as fans of media, we interpret being physical as just blowing guys up. It's not. It's winning physical confrontations, battles. And those

players you just outlined, they can do it. I think Dakota John, he can have a big, he can have a return to where he was before. I think that Lawton is better than we saw him play for, I don't know how many games did he play there, 20 games, guys, whatever it was. If he can take a step up, and I think two guys that are better than they've shown last year yeah and then you got like easton cowan in the fold this he fit in this year is he are they intending on him making the team plan for the team i'm not sure uh... but that that's in an added element as well as as an option because

he would start his career i think for sure in the bottom six uh... by its own more on this is we move forward Dakota Joshua traded to the Maple Leafs in exchange for a fourth round pick in 2028 and This will take up some of the Leafs cap. I mean you mentioned just under four that I think they had what five five and a Half million left That's with yarn croc on the team camp on the team i i think they can still move some money around uh... it makes you wonder like what else is in store what else could they pull

off what else can they had if they keep bringing in uh... guys like joshua and and michelle you know all who who are owed money you know yes martyrs out but they're filling they're filling up that money uh... so what kind of flexibility do the Leafs still have moving forward to try and add to this team. So we'll get to that more still to come. We'll head overseas, catch up with Lawrence Appelbaum live from Royal Port Rush as we track day one of the Open Championship.

Overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on TSN 2. Unmistakably Canadian. It's the music that raised you. on TSN2. crowd all right the uh... first day of the open championship is uh... i believe completed going on for its long day man a lot of players long long day but uh... jacob olson is sitting up there at the top with a couple of other guys at 400 Matt Fitzpatrick

Harris English you got Scottie Scheffler at 300 the Hogart brothers both at 200 which is really really cool Terrell Hatton's up there Lee Westwood's up there, but there's a lot going on and there's four Canadians in the field and To get into it, let's talk to a guy who knows Canadian golf very well, and Royal Port Rush for that matter because he's been over there all week and he was on the grounds all day today. Here's the CEO of Golf Canada, Lawrence Applebaum. What's the weather like over there LA? Well, it's still light out at 945. Sun is starting to set, if you can believe it.

It's been four seasons and 15 hours on the ground here. No kidding, man. No kidding. It was wild this morning. Long rounds, too. You obviously are as directly involved with an open championship as you can get with the rbc canadian open and they can be long rounds it's a big field but did this feel particularly

painful the about like how long some of these rounds were taking or what brian you played with a lot of people to take painfully long to play you know you know what that's like and i'm not talking about frank Carrado he's a he's he plays with speed but I would say full field when you've got a full field Thursday Friday of any tournament it's a long day they've got a lot of light so that's okay the interesting part when you think about where our Canadians played in is is you know the first t-ball that at at just after seven but nick just finished his round

and so nick will go out early tomorrow so late finished nine forty five and then and then he's added uh... you know it seven whatever is seven twenty tomorrow morning so it's a quick turnaround but full day that's for sure l a prior to the tournament a lot of people were talking about the speed of the greens and how they would be significantly slower than what the players are used to playing on the PGA Tour. How much have guys talked about that and how big of a factor was that

today? Yeah I mean one thing we sort of heard from our Canadian guys and a few others that were sort of sharing some stuff around the practice green is it's really hard for the North American players to get their, to make their brains believe what their eyes are seeing, right? It looks great. It looks great. It looks pure. It looks fast, but when it actually comes to hitting the putts, they're just not rolling

as fast. And with a golf course like this, we don't get a chance in Canada to see too much links golf or to play too much links golf, but so much affected by the wind, it's affected by how it's rolling towards the water, away from the water and things like that. So it's a bit of uh... it's a real experience it's it's super fun i mean i i caught a lot of it uh... on t v as much as live it just looks in the big really does look as as good live as it does on t v you know there's not a a tree on the property

it's these beautiful vistas uh... uh... and then once you get out there it's brutally hard. Like it's so hard. How did our Canadians make out today? By judging by their score, wasn't quite what they expected or wanted to do the first day? No, it was tough.

It was a tough day at the office for the guys. They probably got a little short end of the stick where the meat of their rounds was in in tough conditions so uh... it was a typical sort of four seasons you get in one day and our guys went out in pretty tough conditions it was raining then it kind of cleared up a little bit and then it got windy so it was uh... it was a long day

uh... our guys uh... probably didn't do it what you were saying strutting out of good expected but i do think you get a good day tomorrow and and probably the cut it sort of talking around the cut being around around four over so you have a good day tomorrow uh... you know quarries right there and our boys uh... they have a good day tomorrow i think we're gonna do okay but

but it was a tough one out there. Absolutely with Lawrence Applebaum of Golf Canada Corey Connors three over Pendrith four over Taylor six over Hughes eight over but like you said if the cut line is gonna be four over then there's still a lot of opportunity to at a minimum make the weekend. I mean Rory McIlroy has had such a fascinating year uh... winning at double winning the players winning the masters and he hit that dip in a coincided with coming up uh... here obviously the tpc

toronto and uh... people performs you're horribly let's call it is a bit of a friday i think you shot seventy eight was a real struggle but he seems to have really turned things around, Lawrence, and you've been around him, you've met him a bunch. What kind of disposition are you seeing out of him? What kind of body language are you seeing out of Rory today compared to what we saw a month and a half ago? And how significant is this tournament at this

course in particular because it is in northern ireland yeah i i i think i mean will both will both remember that you you lost him by one stroke your pro am number at seven nine sally if you miss i think i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i Bad read off your butt. Bad read off your butt on 18. You jammed me there. Yeah, he jammed you. But the thing was nobody was more gutted honestly than Rory about, you know, just didn't have it up at TPC Toronto this year. And I mean, the guy was gracious and did everything that, you know, you can ever ask of the guy and sometimes it just doesn't work out. And so we're excited that Rory has been synonymous with our event, the RBC Canadian Open, since when he went back to back on the bookends of COVID in 19 and 22. And he's just been such a great fan of our event and participated and we couldn't have

asked for more. The interesting thing out here guys is seeing, you know he's from nearby Hollywood which is pretty funny to say but he's from nearby, the bars, the pubs, the restaurants are jammed to the gills rooting for him. Like he couldn't be a more proud son of the region. And so, you know, he's just got that hop in his step. He looks fantastic out there. He didn't start.

He did some media where he said he was thinking about, you know, four years ago he went out of bounds off the tee and then he said, all I've been thinking about is coming back to Port Rush and Getting off that first tee. Okay, and he almost did that. Unfortunately did bogey number one, but Rory McIlroy at Port Royal Port Rush is kind of like, you know, it's almost like the energy behind a deep playoff game For the Leafs, it's just electric out here and there's a bunch of guys you know you've got Shane Lowry obviously who won in 19 and then you've got a few other famous sort of sons here you've got Darren Clark and

then Padraig Harrington was was sort of first out this morning somewhat ceremonial so it's great Irish love their golf it's it's a game for every person here which is kind of the way the game has been starting to flow in Canada and places around where everybody's enjoying it. Everyone's playing. It's so funny to see so many relatively famous or people you recognize and they're so into their golf. Like I saw Nile Horan today walking with Rory's group. I saw a bunch of other athletes, footballers that were watching and being part of it. So it's an amazing phenomenon and the sport is in a really lucky place right now. LA, what's the feeling around Scottie Scheffler? You talked about all those players that there would be big crowds watching those guys.

I think a lot of people saw what Scottie said and said and said wow that's that's interesting that he would be that candid and that genuine and that open about what he's feeling have guys been talking about that and and what's the feeling around Scottie this week yeah I'm not I'm not super close to that camp I did see the comments comments and the sort of the word with some of the Canadians was Was really like a it's great to see the candor that that Scottie is number one player in the world sort of sharing it makes you think about the work you put in and

The drive to win or the drive to be number one or the drive for major championships and and sadly it's pretty fleeting like you know if you think about the guys who won the Cup this year and they get a summer with it and they get their day but all of a sudden you turn the page and they're back at camp and you're back in the grind so you know you guys would understand that I think what's so interesting about him is you look at his results and even his not so great results are T20s or top 20s or being just outside of the mix. And so I think the rest of the field is somewhat feeling about chasing him and you can see out here, you know, he's one of the featured groups. So when you look inside the ropes, you see a ton of cameras, a ton of people, a ton of media.

But that group with Rory, Justin Thomas and Tommy Fleetwood was probably the number one group that everyone was watching and following. So to see, there are so many neat guys who are doing so many cool things. You just think about the guys we haven't heard of in a while. You see guys like, you know, Colin Morikawa, or you see a Cam Smith or guys who've been sort of not in amongst the PGA tour mix at all. And all of a sudden you say, okay, there's going to be something special out here. And it's, um, it's just neat to see the buzz behind the open championship and,

and the connection in fact that they have to the RBC Canadian Open and Canadian golf is is really really a special thing absolutely yeah we're just getting started day one is wrapped up but we got three more and we're definitely gonna Canadians into the weekend we have a great tournament over there at Royal Port Rush and he is Lawrence Applebaum the CEO of Goal Canada and he's he's on the grounds so enjoy yourself over there LA you bring the clubs is so how we plan yet the club might have snuck into the bag uh... not to carry on but they might have made it in

and the beauty the beauty here is that you know you can get you need to get a relatively full workday and then sort of sneak out and and whip around and so um... there's there's a couple tracks here that have been on the life bucket list and we ticked off one with a very special place called Royal County Down. So a big shout out to our friends who hosted us there, but that one's really special. And then you sort of turn every corner and there's another Lynx golf course, it's facing the ocean.

And as we're driving away from the golf course, we've passed three golf courses I'd never heard of that just looked better and better and better. So it's like, it makes us realize how much great golf there is in the world. And we're on a nice slice of it ourselves. And Stretty, we're we're in a nice slice of it ourselves and and Stretty you know we're coming your way we're coming your way uh in 2026 Royal Mayfair for the CPKC Women's Open we just announced

in 2026 maybe we got to get you in the Pro-Am. Yes get Stretty out there hacking and whacking. My game's on the upswing I almost broke 80 the other day so I I'll be ready. I'll be ready. I'll be ready. Okay. Put it in the calendars. We can't wait. You got to get through Mississauga first though coming up in August. We cannot wait for that. All right, Lawrence, enjoy yourself over there.

Thank you for doing this, buddy. We appreciate it. Okay. Thanks for all your time, fellas. There he is. Lawrence Applebaum, the CEO of Golf Canada. Okay. We love it.

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