OverDrive - OverDrive - July 18, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jonas Siegel, and Jason Strudwick for hour 1 of Mail it in Friday! The guys discuss the developing situation surrounding the resignation of NFLPA executive Lloyd Howell Jr.. We share our thoughts on Gabe Vilardi’s extension with the Winnipeg Jets. We discuss how the NHL can stimulate player movement.

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TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker and up on TSN 1050 on the TSN app your home smart speaker and up on TSN to Brian Hayes Jonas Eagle of the athletic and Jason Strudwick on a Friday afternoon. How we doing boys? Good how you guys doing Jonas good to see you again, buddy. I'll start team back together. Yep We had a great run earlier in the week. We're ready to dominate again Try to keep up with you two guys uh... because i want to ask you guys something out of the gate strutting on the answer for you you have been a part of the union

in the past obviously the nl players association uh... where we are with the athletic are they are you guys unionized yet i know there was some that's not a tbd it's a dicey sub-par i have been a part of the union before you have been i have okay so you have been a part of the union i have never

personally been a part of the union but if i was i think i would want my union boss to be a guy named loy'd howell junior now if you're not familiar with this guy he was the head of the NFL Players Association, who just resigned because it turns out he was going to strip clubs on the Union's dime. And I guess somehow it got flagged and he had to take one for the team. But come on, like this is all week we've been talking about it, the Coldplay couple, we're talking about Shawn Lemon the other day.

What this isn't allowed? Did anyone tell him that he's not allowed to go to the strip club and use the finances of the players association? Come on. I don't know if anyone ever brought that up to Lloyd. Well, yeah. You know what? I would love to see the face of the person in accounting who is going through his expense account and say, oh, okay, here's whatever, $600 at Tootsie. What is Tootsie? I'm not familiar with that. Then he or she Googled it and say, oh, okay, here's whatever, $600 at Tootsie. What is Tootsie? I'm not familiar with that. Then he or she Googled it and like, hold on, I think we got a problem here.

What is he thinking? He can do whatever he wants to do in his own time, but you can't do it on the... Company dime. You just can't. You just can't make those choices. I don't know. I don't think this is it. I think we're going to hear more stuff.

No chance, dude. There's so much more. I don't know. I don't know. And then he's out. I just, the more that comes, I think, I don't think this is it. I think we're going to hear more stuff. No chance dude. There's so much more in the background here for Lloyd Howell Jr. which his name alone just screams a guy that loves Magic City and Tootsies or whatever the place was down in Fort Lauderdale because I guess he got picked up at the airport which this is a vet movie flew right into Miami and he got dropped off somewhere at 10 26

p.m. turns out it was this one establishment down there and he got dropped off at the condo at 6 a.m. so Lloyd was putting in a shift and I guess multiple ATM withdrawals, which would suggest to me he wanted to get caught. You know what I mean? If you're going to take money, it's one thing to expense maybe the car, maybe the food, maybe the drinks, even that's probably going to get you in trouble. But if you're going to the ATM and you're like, I need cash, I think the union knows what you're up to, Lloyd. I think they're pretty aware of what's going on.

And Hayes, like imagine filling out that expense report and then you're like, what should I put this as? The reason. Why did I need dollar bills? Why did I need 500 ones? Why did I do that? How do I explain this one meeting with client? Yeah, well, I guess that was his explanation was hey, I'm trying to build up the union here like I'm sure he was there with other people, you know, maybe other members of the

union, maybe players, I don't know, I don't believe that was a part of the reporting. But you're right, like being the the auditor and being passed with this would be i think pretty funny bill we got something here uh... six hundred fifty dollars that's interesting what do you think of this withdrawal and you know like you if you would draw it an a t m machine anywhere but little piece of advice

particularly at a strip club, the excess charging on it, he probably paid $50 on top of whatever he took out because they know anyone in that position is desperate for the cash. He's just going to say, yes, fine, whatever it is. What, an extra $50? Fine, I'll pay it. so that alone like the taxing on the ATM is something that I'm sure came across the wire they said Lloyd really like really Lloyd you had to hit the ATM at these two establishments and I think you're right Strutt I think there's more to come here there's there's no way

there were only two pit stops for Lloyd no chance Did you guys see in the ESPN report? I think they, at his last employer, something similar happened. Oh, jeez. And he got flagged. And I don't think he got fired, but someone else got fired. So it's like, maybe if you get caught once. So you're saying it's the union's fault. It's on the on the athletes you know like you can speak is through this uh... strutty like what uh... what's this process like when you're looking for someone to run your players union yeah i was there at the top of it but i could tell you what it wasn't uh... to

have that the money that we don't put into the coffers spent on this type of activity because that if he if that's what people do on their off time i don't care what they do. I mean, obviously within reason, but they can go and entertain himself whatever he wants at that time, but don't take it out of our money. Like that's our money. And so as a player, you're like, what are you doing?

You know, with our money. Now, if you're doing it on your own, no problem. You want to bankroll yourself, you got to roll in with a bunch of ones and have a good time or whatever is good for you, that's fine, but I'd be like, sorry buddy, you're gone. It wouldn't even be hesitation because if he has no issue with that, I'm afraid they would maybe leak into other areas of his choices that he makes.

And you just can't trust it. You just can't trust it. There's just too much. There's a lot of money at stake and there's a lot of stuff going on in professional sports. Think of the contracts of football and what it can mean for uh... a bad decision big-time and well that's it i mean these are clearly red flags and it hadn't done anything illegal you know within all this activity

uh... but you're right i mean loy is now going to be at the table trying to broker a new cb a you know i don't know. Is he at Magic City until 6 in the morning, and then he's got a meeting with Goodell at 9? How's that going to go? I guess you'd be a little bit concerned about that.

But yeah, you're right. I mean, it's crazy that he would put himself in that position, and now the union, now all hell's going to break loose with what's going on with the PA. And this seems to happen a lot in the NFL because you mentioned that the contracts you know like the fact that they're not guaranteed and I don't think the owners will ever allow them to be guaranteed like it's just never gonna get there it's you know unlike any other sport it's so physical it's so vicious the

lifespan is so short you know the average player is probably three years in the league give or take uh... and yes we focus on the guys who make a lot of money like tj watt yesterday a fortune right is making like forty one million guaranteed a year whatever it is paid non-quarterback in nfl history worthy of that

deserving of that but the fifty three third guy on the roster in pittsburgh who's you know running down the field for punt returns That guy's not he's making 800 grand, you know, and he's probably gonna be working somewhere else in a year or two So yeah the Union It's uh, it's a wild scene. It's a wild scene and this reporting is it's it's just gonna get going It's courtesy ESPN and Don Von Nata and another reporter. You knew we were starting to show this one.

They're digging now. Big time. Now that they have a smell of a little bit of blood, they're going to go find stories. Like I said, this isn't the only one. There'll be other things and they're going to unravel this thing. I think that initially the whole thing at the Coldplay show was probably more dramatic, but this I think as it unfolds will probably take the lead from our friends at the Coldplay concert.

I think you're right. I mean, I think again, Lloyd Howell Jr. has now resigned and now, I don't think he's going to get a third strike, Jonas, if you're indicating that he was up to something in his previous stop. I don't think the next union's going to look over this one and say, ah, we'll if you're indicating that he was up to something in his previous stop. I don't think the next union's gonna look over this one and say, ah, we'll give you another shot. You know, we'll have bygones be bygones. Lloyd Howell Jr. But yeah, the Coldplay one was a completely different story and more and more on that coming out by the hour. Like everyone's investigating their backgrounds and who knew those two growing

up and I've been reading threads on that all day and this one I find much more interesting. Those two people I don't know, I have no association with them, I don't care. Now it's over, it was an interesting story for a day or two. This is one that's much deeper because it involves the know the NFL and the players association and you gotta think anyone in this position and maybe any of the other leagues again are probably thinking alright where have I been we've all been out you know you go out with with people that are in management or whatever and

they've got the company card buying dinners and stuff can get pretty expensive can get pretty crazy but if it's a business meeting, okay, that's the way it goes. I would guess Lloyd Howell, I keep saying his name, I love his name, Lloyd Howell Jr., that's another thing that they'll be reviewing. What was he doing at the steakhouse where it was a $12,000 dinner?

Was that necessary for two people? What else was going on with this guy uh... it's not gonna stop anyway will continue to track what else comes out on that throughout the afternoon again we see we i just referenced e j walk it paid yesterday i was big is you know i've been doing discussions about erin rogers and do it sports center hits on what the steelers are going to be it was spent hanging over the whole conversation is will they pay watt or will he be a holdout?

Will he not show up at camp will he miss parts of the season? And this is smart business Like you look at Dallas and the Cowboys and how they operate and what they're gonna do with a very similar player Who's looking for a new contract down there? They're gonna wait Jerry Jones generally always does he sits back and he goes, I'm not doing it. I'm going to win the negotiation. Pittsburgh realizes they're not going to win this one. They need TJ Watt. He's worth the money. Pay him. It kind of makes sense to me. Why wait this out? Why try to put your stake in the ground and save a million bucks or two million bucks over the course of the whole contract? Just pay the guy because he's

such an important piece. Didn't Dallas do this with CD Lamb and then just signed him in the end? Yep. And Dak. And Dak Prescott. What's the point? It's Jerry Jones. But you're not winning, so just optics?

Well yes. I think part of it is the show. I do think an element of it is the fact that Jerry Jones likes that people are waiting on him. This is his whole world. It's just owning the Cowboys and being Jerry Jones. But McKay Parsons, by all accounts, is looking for a new deal and he wants to be paid. Now that T.J. Wattj watt has been paid is probably looking at

that saying i will that's my bar you know i don't think you should be paid more than what personally uh... you know is younger though and uh... he's probably thinking all right i want thirty eight million guaranteed a year thirty nine and and once one shoe drops you know it's common you mentioned cd lamb that's what happened in the past

where justin jefferson got in the past where Justin Jefferson got paid I think Tyree Hill had been paid I Jamar chase didn't he was waiting for it, but then CD lamb just looked at it and said, okay If Jefferson's making that I'll take two million less a year It's not that complicated like this is just where I where I fall in line and Jerry Jones waited it out I'm sure the same thing's gonna happen with Parsons He's just gonna wait it out because then everyone's talking about Jerry and the Cowboys

and if he can create a circus, he'll create a circus. Yeah, and I get it. I think Michael Parsons is a really good player, but since you talk about the non-guaranteed contracts and we're seeing, I think in the last couple of years, teams moving towards fully guaranteed for some players. Deshawn Watson, I think was one. This of years, teams moving towards fully guaranteed for some players. Deshaun Watts I think was one. This one, TJ Watt. They're getting a lot closer than they used to be.

So I wonder if we don't get at some point in this league where top players are getting, if not the whole contract, guaranteed most of it and then it kind of funnels through all the way to the bottom guy who's not guaranteed at all because that really what's there left to negotiate for a top player? If you know the money money I think it's That that that percentage of guaranteed money, which is Ultimately your your your biggest thing you want to negotiate That's what matters certainly for the players and it matters for the contract and the cap hits and like the the NFL contracts are complicated

Oh in terms of if you cut a guy if you trade a guy what it's worth and how much dead money you have on the cap And you know, it what it's worth and how much dead money you have on the cap. It's a complicated situation, but ultimately, in order for Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers to have success they needed TJ Watt, he's there. Same thing applies with the Cowboys. Parsons got to be rushing the passer. He's got to be a machine on the defensive side of things. He'll get his money.

He'll get paid. He'll play, but it will likely be a typical Jerry Jones circus beforehand Alright, so we're back in in the swing of things with Major League Baseball the San Francisco Giants in town tonight What's interesting is because we've been in the all-star break. I haven't been paying as much attention to the future It's been more about what's been going on with the break, and we've been talking a lot about the trade deadline. But I think there's a good chance this is the last time we see Justin Verlander pitch in Toronto tonight, who's on the mound for the Giants. And he hasn't had a great statistical year.

He doesn't have a great record. I think he's going seven. Does he ever win? No, he doesn't. He's going seven. His numbers aren't horrendous. He's got like a mid to low four ERA, but he's still Verlander.

Like he's still, he's got the Moxie, he's got the aura. He has obviously dominated the Blue Jays many, many times throughout his career. I believe he threw a no hitter against the Jays. Yes, he did. He threw a no hitter against the Jays. And this could be it. Like this could be the last time we see him pitch in Toronto because not a young

guy. And obviously he's out in San Francisco now. Kind of rough seeing these great stars at the end, just like kind of limp to the end. But like you want to let them have whatever they want. Like if you want to go down top, go down on top, Barry Sanders. But man, like I think of like Peyton Manning at the end it's like I think he can barely throw it 10 yards that was really tough he couldn't throw the ball down the field it's just like he got replaced was it Paxton Lynch yeah placed him and he was brutal and yet they were basically

saying we have to we have to replace Peyton Manning. He cannot continue to play Did he end up going back in at the end of winning the Super Bowl? Right like you I believe he went out on top and yet he could barely throw the ball But that was all von Miller won remember he wanted to come back I think yeah, and I think like nobody would sign him if I'm remembering it, right? Yeah I think it was kind of awkward where basically the rest of the league had suggested this can't continue. You literally can't throw the ball anymore.

His neck was so bad, his arm strength was so bad. I don't think Verlander's there. I don't think it's painful to watch him pitch, but maybe in a perfect world, and I get it's not a perfect world, and I get you have to put forth your Your best you know roster and they've set it up so Bassett will be on the mouth of the Jays tonight Shurs are going against Verlander tonight would have been really cool like that would have been very cool coming out of the break Shurs it would have been ready. You could have timed them out that way Again, I get why Bassett's going Bass Bassett should go. You're going to line up your rotation according to plan. But the idea of these two who were teammates once in Detroit

going at it one more time would have been pretty cool tonight. But yeah, Verlander on the mound and we'll see what the Jays have in store. We'll get more into that with Steve Phillips coming up just after five. We'll back and get into uh... date to the open championship for scotty schaeffler had himself a day he is a solo leader at the open championship bob weeks on that later this afternoon scabie tough to beat him did when he when he's in the mix when he's in the mood

uh... it will be very good to know that he had using when he wants to win basically what he said that i don't know you know i he doesn him using when he wants to win basically when he's in the middle of it you know i he doesn't know why i was the one but this one evidently through thirty six holes he's decided he wants to win and he's one of play it out so more on that and uh... jones you missed out on the dakota joshua trade yesterday will see where you stand on the leaves

after their big swing yesterday and their big acquisition with Dakota Joshua now officially a member of the Maple Leafs so more on that still to come as well. Jason Strudelkin here with Jonas Segal. I'm Brian Hayes. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN2. Mail It In Friday is brought to you by Boston Pizza, Canada's favorite sports bar. Enjoy $15 lunch at BP where you get an entree, a side and a drink and you'll get it all in 20 minutes or less. A fast lunch doesn't have to be fast food. See you for a $15 fast lunch at your local Boston pizza. All right, Overdrive continues powered by FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening

line to the final score. Brian Hayes, Jonas Siegel, Jason Strudwick, Steve Phillips in about 45 minutes. Jays Giants tonight, Verlander who has two no hitters against the Jays Which yeah, I mean this guy obviously first ballot Hall of Famer Curious where he will land when all is said and done in terms of all time, you know There's there's so many great pitchers, you know historically in baseball, but you know, the big three of this era would be verlander kershaw scherzer uh... felt like lindsecom was going to be like the fourth guy right and then it just an amazing career like five unbelievable years and just couldn't

pitch anymore so anyway verlander on the mount tonight we've got a assigning out winnipeg velarty who a restricted free agent, has signed a six-year deal. It sounds like 7.5 million per. But he's been a good find for them. He was basically the main piece in the Pierluc-de-Boitre due to LA. And he's played really well with Shife Lee played really well with Kyle Connor

Health issues, you know seems to be injured a lot like it's had real kind of inconsistencies in terms of staying in the lineup But if you're Winnipeg, I think it's a good place a young guy that's fit in well He wants to be there long term that contract that numbers around what Matthew Nyes got right seems appropriate I think it's a pretty good deal for both sides. Yeah, I think absolutely. What I like is so young. I am a little bit worried about the injuries, but he's 20 plus goals every year, right? He just, he's good. I think he can have a higher end than that. I think last year he almost got to 30 and he was missing a dozen games or so for injury-wise, but Nick Leathers is gone, so now he could maybe get a bit more opportunity in different roles with different guys.

But I like this one, and I still love that trade they did with LA for P.L. Dubois. Oh, yeah. Listen, P.L. Dubois redeemed himself last year, right? He played really well, to his credit, in Washington. Better. Better. year right but he played really well to his credit in Washington better better but he was horrendous in LA like horrendous you know and it worked out very well and I mean that was an example of certainly not as extreme you know we keep talking about Marner's departure and you know how they're gonna fill that

role but like based on talent Pierre-Luc Dubois was a big talent with high expectations that was supposed to play a big role for the Jets and They moved off him and they were better than ever, you know Now, let's see what happens with Ehlers leaving that's gonna continue to get tested. But Yeah, I mean sometimes trades happen because the player wants them in In that case, it was Pierre-Luc Dubois. In this case, it was because Marner wanted to leave, clearly wanted to go to Vegas. You don't just pack up shop and say, well, we can't possibly compete anymore. You got to put the pieces together and find a way to make it work. I don't know about you guys.

Have you found this summer to be really weird in terms of some of the contracts and trades and stuff in the NHL? In which way? Like the... I mean, you're just like even the Joshua trade, like the Marchman trade, you're just seeing like players get kind of just dealt for like basically nothing. Basically, yeah. And like even this contract, like a couple years from now,

if he continues to ascend, it's gonna look like a steal. Like it's the same thing with NICE. Like as the cap continues to go up, like with the projections that we have, continues to go up, with the projections that we have, Nise is going to be the equivalent of a $6 million player in a couple of years. If he's a 35 goal guy, same with Vladi, you know what I mean? I don't know. It feels like the NHL is in a weird place. I don't totally understand it, honestly. Well, yeah, go ahead, Strahd.

It's funny you bring that up because I was talking to a buddy about that Dakota last night that even the Marshmint one, those guys are the kind of guys you want in the playoffs, right? You look for that big body that can skate and tap in some goals. I think for sure, Marshmint's over 20, Dakota, I'm not sure if we'll get there, but those are the guys I want and they're just floating around for almost nothing, a future draft pick right now. So why aren't more teams trying to grab them

that maybe need that big body? Because we're gonna be here, we're gonna be all be doing this again, and what is it, the trade deadline, whatever day it is, like March 5th, they gotta find a big body. They could have had this guy for pennies on the dollar as far as draft picks, so it's a really good point you make. Right, yeah, exactly, and guys like that come to trade deadline are the ones that

players like teams are always trying to pursue and they're willing to pay more. Yet in July, fourth round pick in 2028, you can have them. And especially, you know, for teams that are like still trying to fill out their roster, you know, like Marchman's still a young guy, relatively speaking, and Joshua's 29. Like, you're telling me one of the bottom teams in the, like the seven or eight worst teams in the league that feel like they want to grow and improve, they wouldn't pay a third rounder to pick that guy up? You know, like San Jose, they have so much room and, you know, the Utah's and the Chicago's and Yet that obviously wasn't the case It was the Leafs of all teams that said well, we'll take them like well

We'll give up the fourth round pick for his like his situation is different Like I would feel better about the Leafs in their roster if they've gotten Marchman just because he's is better His contracts there. I think he's not entering the last year of his his deal Marchman, yes. Yeah, but like the upside is higher offensively. I think he can play higher in the lineup. But it's interesting like what they've done like with Joshua and with Michelli, they're just like basically taking bets for free. Like they didn't give up really anything for both guys.

And like if one bounces back, if both bounce back, like suddenly you've just added a top nine forward for nothing and like the contracts will look better if those players bounce back like suddenly you've just added a top nine forward for nothing and like the contracts will look better if those players bounce back but it's interesting like that this is how they've decided to approach it and I think like Joshua I don't mind the bat just because he fits the style of the coach I still wonder as you might imagine Hayes like where they're gonna score from but yeah

I don't I don't like it's funny with their offseason Like I don't mind and actually like a lot of what I like a lot of what they've done like individually I just don't know what it adds up to is kind of my question. Yeah, and I think that gets back to your original Commentary on the offseason that there just hasn't been a lot available and there isn't a lot going on You know, I mean that's the that's the truth like Marner was a big fish Nick Healers was a big fish But beyond that Bessie went back to Vancouver Tavares back to Toronto all three Florida guys stayed in in Florida You know, Noah Dobson was available credit the Habs they went out and sniffed that out and picked them up. Now they had to give up, obviously, assets to do that. But I do think

it just appears as if because there's been so much money and there's been so much flexibility offered to almost every team, post-COVID, they've just decided to invest in their own guys. There hasn't been a lot of opportunity. Like that's the thing with like Marner leaving you as we've stated 15,000 times in the last three weeks, you were never going to replace him one for one. You can't, you're not even going to replace them three for one. Yeah. Like, no, like if you were to trade, if you were to put together a trade of Michelli,

wah and Joshua for Marner, obviously you would get fired. Your own owner would say, why did you even waste people's time? You're out. That's not a trade that even is possible to dream up. But he was leaving. He was going to go. We wanted to go to Vegas, so we went to Vegas.

So all you can do is deal with what's available to you And this is the market like this this was what's available and they're still I'm sure kicking tires and other teams are sure I'm sure still kicking tires But I think what I'm taking out of this and it changes there's ebbs and flows in the league all the time But I think there's gonna be more of an emphasis on drafting and developing again Like that that's something that I do think is to hit the leafs in the nose at some point. Like you got to start finding your own guys. You got to trust your own people. You got to bring up your own people

that you can control, that you have on ELCs, that you can get to you know, when they're RFA so you can give them a six year deal like Knives and like Velardi. And that applies to every team in the league. Like the best way to build up your program, it's the most difficult of your deal like Nies and like Velardi. And that applies to every team in the league. Like the best way to build up your program. It's the most difficult and you have to get lucky and you have to be patient. But draft, develop, let them grow up together gives your GM a lot of options if you want to do that.

Yeah, that's a really long, long-range and mature view. And I'm with you for sure. But right now where the Leafs are, like're trying to get to a winning point right now. So I think there has to be two streams. I think you have to have the stream you're talking about, which is drafting, developing and being patient, but then trying to mine some diamonds in the rough that you might find and you just highlighted the two guys that the Leafs traded for. You can go over to Europe, look around there, maybe college, free agents,

whatever, and try to figure that out. And then the trades. So I think you have to have multiple ways of approaching it. And I always, when I talk to guys that are young players and what's the team doing? Well, they don't have a lot of people working with me for development. I'm like, are you crazy? There's no cap on that. I'd be spending money like crazy, like a drunken sailor, like the PA guy that went down and he... What's his name? Lloyd Hall Jr. Yeah, there you go.

Yeah. Lloyd, I'd be spending money like that guy, but I'd be spending it on development of my team and drafting scouts and development. Those things, because if you can find a fifth rounder that becomes even a player, just a player on your team, that is massive. Or if you can turn a guy who's maybe a borderline player into an NHL player, that's worth it. That investment's worth it,

once you think about what you have to trade for in assets. So, I don't know, Jones, you're a lot more dialed than I am, but I just, I don't understand why teams aren't investing heavily, really heavily, in those three areas. I can only speak for here in Toronto, they do. Like they invest a ton in that stuff. I don't know if that's gonna continue now with Keith Pelley.

Like, I don't know what the cost cutting stuff is gonna look like, but they definitely do that. They just haven't had a, I mean, they've traded a lot of picks, number one, and they haven't had a lot of success at like actually hitting on picks. Like, Knives is like, is he like the best non-first round pick they've had in I don't know

Oh, yeah. Yeah, but they like he's like he's the exception if you look at like forwards that they've hit on in the last ten years I looked at this recently. I think it's like Knives Robertson Holmberg Minton who's gone, Grebenkin who's gone. No, I just mean forwards. Yeah, if you want to add forward, you can add a wall. And then like defense, it's like there's Sandeen,

Lillagren, you know what I mean? Like they just, it's not something that they've done well enough. And part of it obviously is trading first round picks, but like teams find players outside the first round all the time. So that's the key. That's the key outside the first round right? You've got to find some gems there and then develop them too. It's not something odd the player didn't develop. Well what could we have done differently? How could we help that player? Well yeah I mean that

and like you said there's no cap on it And there's no rhyme or reason for why you can't do it. But if you don't if you don't pick the right guy Doesn't matter who you have working for him. If he's not a player, he's not a player You know like you you got a you got and it's diamond in the rough stuff Once you get outside of the top even ten It's a gamble. It's a crapshoot You know, like is there a big difference between the guy being picked 28 than the guy being picked 38? No, but the 28th overall gets to call himself a first-round pick Right where the 38th overall is the second round pick but there's there isn't that much difference

And that's you know, there's different ways to build there's different ways to do it. I get it It's not and everyone's in the same same boat the competitive teams if you're a very competitive team for a long time You're gonna trade picks you're gonna trade prospects, but I guess you know I'm not even talking about the Leafs in particular I'm just saying if the league is going to be more about Keeping your players you know then you got to make sure you have the right guys In order to pay them you know like if if there to make sure you have the right guys in order to pay them. You know, like if there's just not going to be a free agent market, and maybe it's different,

maybe next year there are four or five, six, seven stars that make it, but if the stars in particular keep staying and you get to July 1st and it's more depth players, then you're not ever going to build a Stanley Cup winner on July 1st. Like, and maybe that's never happened anyway But that's kind of what I take out of the last two or three weeks But you probably weren't enough impact players available, but I don't think she be trying to build your team in July 1st I think you're trying to fill holes Right trying to fill the top your roster like tell me the best July 1st signing in recent memory, right?

I mean Tavares has been productive for the Leafs. I think Hyman, another guy, has been productive for the Oilers. I think back to a number of years ago, but Chris Drury and Scott Gomez both signed up to Rangers. It helped them. They didn't take them to the Stanley Cup. I think you're trying to just find, I don't know, just slot guys in and fill a second line or a third line or fourth. I mean, I think Healer's a good player, but is he changing the whole dynamic of what's going on in Carolina?

No, no, he's not. And conversely, if you're in Winnipeg, you probably wanted him to stay. Oh, yeah. But you can live without him, right? You have to. That's the sport. And I think this is a win again getting back to the news of the hour that gave velour de sign a six-year deal Reportedly seven point five million is now you got him on term. You got shy flee on term Connor is gonna be a big one I think Kyle Connor does he have one year left on his deal? I think so they can extend him right now as of now and that one is one I would think they are actively trying to do you know that's that's extensions

Has there been any extensions? No into not that I'm aware of not not a year out like obviously McDavid being the biggest one that we're waiting for Michael I thought I could have signed already. I don't know. I'm not an inside. I thought I could be a slam dunk Yeah, I want to stay here. This is good. I like it here I want a cup like to me that said you believed in me in me as a team, you know, like they it's okay I could do the search you like I that's I thought for sure that was good Well, and the Marner bars is there now, you know, like yes, I'm sure he's gonna say I got to make more than him You know, maybe he takes 12 on the nose, but I would think if I'm Michael, you know, I play a more prominent position

I think he's a better player and he's been there longer and helped the win a staley cup so he's probably like i'll take thirteen but it should be that complicated you know marz make it twelve all take twelve and a half or thirteen but that's that maybe it is complicated because maybe i was looking at it say well dry subtle sign for fourteen a year ago

and now the caps going up i want fourteen you know and and then that's when it gets a little bit dicey all of a sudden because Vegas, you know It's been a team that's been very cap compliant. They've been very active. They brought in a lot of different players They've been probably the most proactive team in hockey maybe in pro sports period the last decade But if you lock in Ikel at 13 million 14 million and you got Marner at 12 Like those are two big commitments all of a sudden. Those are two guys making a lot of money.

You guys ever wish that there was more player movement in the NHL? Sure. For the nature of our business, it's always way more compelling when you get crazy trades and more movement, but it's on the players in order to push for that. But so how would that work? Like shorter contracts, is that like the only way? Like if you're the NHL and you were like,

we wanna have more intrigue around our league. We want players to move around more. We want, we don't want players just staying with one team their whole career. I don't think that, I think the way around it is get rid of no movement clauses, get rid of no trade clauses. That's what stops trades. Teams would trade players in a heartbeat.

Players don't allow it because I think the nature of our conversation is proving even if you can only sign a three-year deal, players will just keep re-upping if they like where they are. The players that get comfortable somewhere like Sidney C Crosby would assign 21 year deals in Pittsburgh. Right, he doesn't need an eight year deal or a seven year deal. I don't think the term matters. It's on the player's mentality that they'd wanna do it.

I'm not sure they do collectively as hockey players. It's get rid of no trade clauses, get rid of no movement clauses. You do that, like if that, put it this way, what we just saw, if they didn't exist, Mika Rantin is a Maple Leaf, more than likely, right? Mitch Marner is in Carolina down the stretch last year. There's a blockbuster deal, but no movement clauses exist and the player to his right executed his. That's the way to get movement going in the league, but I don't even think Lloyd Howell

Jr. would accept that. He's probably giving up the O's, man. The PA is not doing it. No, no. Even at his best, when he's really rolling, when he's really rolling his bars, even he wouldn't go for that. I guess the other thing, I mean, this is pretty crazy, but you negotiate a buyout with your player and then that money is not on the books.

So I make $10 million, I want to buy, okay, you want to buy me out, give me eight. Okay, done. Now that money is buried and then the guy just goes to free agent and that doesn't sit on your salary cap for years to come. You don't multiply it by two or whatever it is. So that would be pretty dramatic. The rich teams would love that. Yes.

Well, that's why it'll never happen because Betman will always think about the lowest common denominator and the smaller market teams and the owners will say, that's not fair. We can't buy those people out. And you know, owners don't want to spend more money than they have to. I like that idea. And it is, it does give you flashbacks Like to remember like coming out of the lockouts, how cool it was when each team had two buyouts

and there were all these debates, like who are they going to use it on? You got to buy that guy out. And like, it's so impersonal. Like if you're, if you're the player and you're listening to bozos like us, be like, you got to use it on Jonas. You have to buy that stiff out.

He stinks. He's not worth the price. You're just like, I'm trying to get back in the league. We just voted on the CBA and I'm getting bought out? What's happening here? But I like the buyout world. I like that world. It is crazy.

That'd be a crazy situation. But I keep going back to when the Leafs asked Marner about moving his no-trade clause for Ratnan. And I wonder if that wasn't kind of the last nail in the Leafs asked Marner about moving his no-trade clause for Ratnan. And I wonder if that wasn't kind of the last nail in the coffin. Because that's hurtful. You've worked so hard for this one team you're drafted by and then like, we'd like you, but we'd like this guy a little bit better over here. And maybe by then they felt they weren't able to sign him. I don't know. But Jonas, I don't think that helped that whole situation. It wouldn't help in any situation.

We have no way of knowing if it would have changed history. I agree with you. I don't know what it was... He was never going to say yes. There was no way to why risk it. If it hurts you by 5%, but maybe they just knew he was gone already. I don't know. I think it's more likely that's the case, man. This guy was going to Vegas. They knew it. He knew it was gone already. I don't know. I think it's more likely that's the case, man. This guy was going to Vegas. They knew it. He knew it. But you had all the reporting at the time, Hayes, that they were still trying to sign

him. Yes. He just wasn't playing ball? Wasn't even answering them. So it's... I don't know. I don't sympathize for him at all in that scenario. How dare you ask me?

They've been trying to negotiate like you they've been know what what's to be gained by it like what are you well maybe maybe you know one once in a million chance he goes fine I'll go to Carolina I want out of here and you get ranted in you know like it's worth for a gal for a trade of depth probably not worth it for a guy like ranting in where you could you know basically fulfill one superstar with another yeah fair I don't know I guess in the end like in retrospect put it this way let's say it played out the exact same way but but they never asked them and then it gets reported on July 18th turns out ranting and wanted to come here but they didn't even

ask because they didn't want to make Marner uncomfortable don't you think you look back on that and say what are you doing why did you think you'd look back on that and say, what are you doing? Why didn't you ask them? I look back at last summer and think that why didn't, yeah, why not continue that at the trade deadline? Why, why would it stop at the date? The trade deadline. Yeah. It's worth a shot. I mean, ultimately he had the right to say no, which he did. I totally understood why he said no, but, um,

and maybe it didn't help slightly strut, but my, it sure seems like this guy had property in Vegas like this time last year, you know, it's basically ready to go and Vegas was always the spot. Like that's another thing. He never hit the market. He was going to Vegas. That's where he was going. It wasn't free agency.

It wasn't, I'm going to see what everyone's got. It was Vegas clearly. That's where he was going. It wasn't free agency. It wasn't, I'm going to see what everyone's got. It was Vegas, clearly. That's where he was going to go. So he and his agent must have talked about it at some point, right? Well before and said, I'm going to make a list and this is my top team. And same with Ranton. I always think with Ranton, I get he didn't want to sign in Carolina, but was Dallas his number one choice? Like, was Dallas his number one choice?

Was that his spot for sure? Was that on his top three? If you're not sure, watch his way to the summer. He can still sign it later. Now, maybe they had to make that trade for Dallas to make it, but you're that level of player. Everybody wants you. Everybody wants you.

Committed for eight years. You can't wait three more months to look at it. I guess they're throwing 100 million at you at Jonas. It changes a bit, but- Yeah, but can you imagine what the Leafs would have paid for Ranton and if he hit July one, well, given him whatever he wanted. Yeah, blank check. But I just, I just, I'm looking from the player side, like you're, you can go anywhere you want and why not just go check it out? Go look around, you know, even informal visits to these different cities. Like, I don't know, it's, it's different for a guy saying a two or three-year contract as opposed to eight times

Whatever amount of money it is like I I never understood that like was that really Miko's number one place Dallas and it's not saying It's a bad place pretty good other teams are taking them good team. Well, they're pretty competitive every year They're often developed really well a new coach already like maybe you love Peter DeBoer You know, maybe he's like I want to play for Pete and all of a sudden three months later DeBoer is out. We're like, meet our new coach. Yeah, here's Glenn. Here's Glenn.

It's like, oh, okay. All right, Glenn, I guess we're working together for the next eight years. That'll be interesting. See how that goes. How we're doing for Glenn, right? Because he's been there before and he's learned a lot, probably a lot here, dealing with a lot of superstars I'm looking forward to what that process looks like. Yeah in Dallas with him at the helm conference final every year down in Dallas

Right like every year they seem to get there And now you got a new coach and a couple of new players and a couple of old players out Alright, Steve Phillips in 20 minutes on Jays Giants tonight We got Verlander on the mound for the Giants Chris Bassett on the mound for the Jays What can we expect out of Lattie bow? How big of a moment is this for Ross Atkins over the next couple of weeks? Lots to get into with Steve We'll catch up with Mark Masters a little bit later this afternoon Bob Weeks on day two over at the open championship where Scottie Scheffler

Has a solo lead ten under solo lead after day two over at the open championship where Scotty Scheffler has a solo lead ten under solo lead after day two. Dear Hazy B coming up in a couple of hours. Overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN 2. Alright so I'm sensing a theme here. We were talking about this out of the gates that the former now, former leader of the NFLPA, Lloyd Howell junior uh... based on investigation turns out lord was uh... got caught with his hand in the cookie jar couple times he was using the the

p a s expense cardiner basically their fund in their money to go to strip joints in atlanta miami and he was in the i p room since it it sounds like what was having a very good time. But needless to say the union not overly ecstatic about that. Shout out to my buddy Chris. Chris Tammis just sent me a DM on Instagram and said how about this. And this story I guess came out last night I believe that the mayor of North Bay, a guy by the name of Peter Chirico, I believe.

I guess it was a woman who filed for a Freedom of Information Act request to gain access to his expense reports. And evidently, it sounds like allegedly, Peter was spent upwards of $16,000 on personal items in 23 and 24 and used the city corporate card to pay for all of it which included gas car washes at least thirty hundred thirty two hundred dollars in seasonal golf memberships which allow you to get golf cards snacks soft drinks he also bought packs of demoray so that's a good uh...

beer and wings at hockey car repairs like this guy was having a field day courtesy of the uh... beautiful city of north bay i guess the i guess we can feel like he's got some support out there is what i'm trying to get across here. Even mayors in great Ontario cities are getting a little carried away with the expense cards.

I wonder what the finance department people must see on some of these expense reports, just like in every company. They must be like, this person's trying to get away with this? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, this is interesting. Demorié Select. Yeah, that, like, oh, this is interesting. Demorié Select. Yeah, that seems okay.

I can't imagine that would be needed to run City Hall, but I don't know. Is there cigarette dispensers that I'm not aware of? But yeah, even the car repair. Like Gary's workshop. You know, Gary's mechanic in North Bay. It's like, why are you getting your Nissan tuned up courtesy of the city of North Bay? He can come back from this.

He just has to pay it back, right? Whereas for Simon Howell III, that's a lot harder, right? There's no way that... You're not coming back from that one. That's a hard press. It's like, ah, guys, I made a mistake. I didn't realize that my discretionary funds weren't being used for a membership down at whatever, North Bay. Well, this one, yeah, I guess he was at Osprey links, a golf course up there, which again, I mean, I'm guessing the explanation will be, well, I was bringing people out and I

was trying to represent the city and I was helping out. Stay healthy. Yeah, I'm trying to stay healthy, exactly. And then at the same time, trying to represent the city and I was helping out. Stay healthy. Yeah, I'm trying to stay healthy, exactly. And then, you know, at the same time, trying to keep a balance by smoking cigarettes, you know, at the same time. But yeah, beers and wings and I guess he was getting battalion tickets.

I support that. Sure, you were too strut, right? You're a CHL alum. I think that's important for the mayor to get tickets to their local hockey team. Be seen, right? Seen and be heard, right? Being around there, cheering for the mayor to get tickets to their local hockey scene. Right, scene and be heard, right? Being around there cheering for the team, smoking a dart outside. Yeah, that's right.

Exactly. On the city, of course, on the arm. But yeah, man, let's see. I'm sure there's more that we can find. Send them in. Twitter, Instagram, whatever. But we got the head of the PA and the mayor running the beautiful city of North Bay that Evidently we're not told you're not supposed to use the expense card for your own personal activity

Which is I mean, that's an understandable Kind of mistake to make it happens happens to the best of us all right our to coming up Steve Phillips will join us on Jay's Giants starting tonight. And what is reasonable to expect out of Ross Atkins over the next two weeks? Biggest two weeks of his tenure in Toronto? I think he can make that argument. Could be the biggest two-week stretch of his tenure as the GM of the Blue Jays. So we'll catch up with Steve, get his take on all of that. Mark Masters coming up, Bob Weeks on the open. Overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on the TSN app. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fandual.

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