OverDrive - OverDrive - July 21, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jason Strudwick and Jonas Siegel for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys dive into the Blue Jays' series sweep against the Giants, the showdown against the Yankees, the offensive outburst on the roster and how to approach Aaron Judge in the three-game set. They also discuss Scottie Scheffler's dominant triumph at the Open Championship, entering the territory of legends of the game, the comparisons to Tiger Woods and Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner's projected point total.

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How we doing, boys? It's the A-Team plus A's. The A-Team plus A's. You two are going to team up on me again and go at me. You know what I achieved over the weekend, Jonas? I sent you a tweet. I sent that to you. I don't know if you saw it or you're not big on X these days, but man am I living large in the summer, jumping in lakes. I was up north swimming, swimming with the kids. It's a beautiful thing. So I need to know the backstory. How did it happen? What drew you in? Were you worried

about the snakes in the water, the fish? Snakes didn't concern me. I did see a turtle at the end that got my attention. I'm not going to lie. A little snapping turtle cruising around Lake Muskoka scared me a little bit, but it's all good. Honestly, I had there I am. There I am. Just very comfortable, very comfortable on the lake, very open water. Could have been sharks, alligators in there, who knows?

But I was in there without a care in the world i don't think you're on for the strut last week when basically allowed jonas uh... you know to discover that i'm not huge unnatural bodies of water not something i'd love taking part in you know my kids were up there were my friends cottage and i had jonas in the back of my mind just saying, you're soft as butter, what's wrong with you, you're not a real man, you

better get in there. And I said, fine, Jonas. Like, I was talking to myself. Like, I think people were watching me saying, what's wrong with this guy? And I just pushed my kids out of the way, my wife, my friends, and said, move. I'm going in. Cannonball. I was in there and I made sure someone took a picture

for you in particular, Jonas. I'm sure you're very proud of it. Weren't you proud of yourself? Didn't you feel good? Very proud. Very proud. Very proud. Now, what would you have done and study,

maybe you can weigh in as well, when you're on the dock and you see the little snapping turtle like wading around, Yeah. A hard no, like never again. If I was in the water when I saw it, that's an interesting question. How would I have handled that? Probably played it cool.

But maybe I would have gone Coldplay a couple, right? Instead of freaking out. It made it a bigger issue than it really needed to be. I'm not sure how I would have reacted. But yeah, it's all good. Are the lakes, are they still frozen out by you strut? Are you guys swim? Oh, yeah, we're almost there We're just about to start a seal that a fresh water in there

But what kind of snapping turtles do you have out there? Are these prehistoric like oh, yeah, I'm guessing Yeah, I haven't seen in a while, but I'm guessing you're over, you know, two ounces a snapping turtle shouldn't be a threatened I like my toes man. I got toes. I like fingers and stuff, you know, ounces of sapping to ocean be a threatened a throughout city i'd like my own is that i got told who's like that i like fingers and stuff you know that's my concern of the gana and i'm i'm a tasty snack struck the other way or not special why do you know your special that a sapping turtle once he'd or sharks gonna waste his time coming after you set of a seal

that's a very good point at a very good question ultimately i don't have an answer for you probably right they probably look at me and say this a complete waste of time but uh... yeah i had to get in there was in there multiple times having a great time and believe all just had to send a message to you joe's subbie people were i was getting carved online i tweeted that opposed on instagram my arms look massive in that picture

like people were called an alien head's too small for your body. It's an optical illusion. I'm a tall guy, but those arms do look, it's small shoulders too strut, like bad. I broke my collarbone. I didn't even get hit that hard. Pushed into the boards, broke my collarbone back in the day. I've noticed you do have shoulders like a salmon but I mean you know but let me ask you seriously, has this experience changed your mind on open water swimming? Yes I think so I had a great time. Wow unbelievable. It was like

revisiting my childhood. Let's all go home. Jonas is Tony Robbins. Jonas is my Tony Robbins. I needed him to inspire me. That's a good question. What else? I got a lot of problems. I got a lot of demons, Jonas. Let me know when I can sit back down on your couch.

What else are you scared of? We got to work through it. Jonas has all summer. You got all summer, man. This is what you're going to be. You're going to be my shrink for the rest of the summer. But you know what was funny when I was up there? Because today, we're back and my

kids are not in camp this week. We got a lot of stuff going on. But I was reading a thread over the weekend about how like Canadians, I think anyone that like when winter is coming, right, to steal a line from Game of Thrones, man, we summer hard up here, don't we? Like you really crunch a lot into like a short period of time You got about two or three months and you got to hammer it and you're on the road road trippin and cottaging And we can I play golf. I got to get outside

Yeah, I'll come over to the pool and you got to think like people down in southern states and in warm climates So like can you just relax a little bit, but you can't do it for Canadian You got to take advantage you have to work often we golf after dinner like we'll go and play You know to get on at seven o'clock golf till nine nine thirty Right and then and then your home at whatever ten get up next morning go for a bike ride Right like you're just you're just doing everything you can. Oh, it's not raining care. We're going out, right? But I think that's what it's all about. I think that's what at least we do up here in Canada I don't know but I agree and listen I love all four seasons like now you got the football camps and the

NFL are back up and you're like we're we're a few months away from you know 10 degrees and Packers Bears at 425 p.m. and just saying this is perfect I'm gonna sit here and watch football all day so it does happen quickly but another experience that that i had over the weekend with with my friends and and my wife and all of us up there were manner we talk in blue jays and track it is such eight different world what's amazing and it's such a great example of how this happens in sports all the time you look at the lineup

nothing has changed like if you if you pick this lineup and put it in 2024 they'd be on pace for 76 wins it's you know Luper Fido's back up and Wagner's taking hacks and Lucas is leading off and Ernie Clements your lead off veteran like they get bashed hit and clean up and it's not Santander it's obviously obviously not Jimenez, it's not a bunch of new bats or a bunch of new arms, it's Barrios and Eric Lauer who is technically a new arm but has kind of been a journeyman and jumped around baseball.

And yet I have completely flipped in terms of expecting them to win. Like I just expect they're going to win. And I fully expect they're going win and I fully expect they're gonna beat the Yankees Like I have no problem in saying that where I fully Expect them to take two out of three against the Yankees and then I think they're gonna go into Detroit and possibly went three out of four there and It's not that I can sit there and say well It's these two or three new guys or man they picked up two arms atop the rotation or they got this bullpen that they completely

Reworked which they did in some capacity it's just they have a mojo going and i thought the shots comments believe it was yesterday uh... readers said he loves you know it was planned for this team you love showing up to work every day they can't wait to be here and i'll bloody said that about a month ago is like i just can't wait to get up and get to the park

and everyone's pulling their way and that's what it's that's what it is right now. They're just it there. They just got mojo They won 15 in the last 20 they just swept the Giants. What a statement out of the break Yankees in town again I feel great about their chances of beating New York and full credit to this team It's it's really created a buzz and they deserve all of the following that they're getting the seats were packed all weekend They'll be packed tonight. It's gonna be a great stretch run. Isn't their home record in the last like month and a half or something? Isn't it? Are they like 22 and 4 or something?

Yeah, I think they've won 10 home games in a row, which matches a record from like 85 or something. But Strudy, like maybe you can talk about this as a former player. Like it just must be like kind of self-fulfilling a little bit when you get into one of these runs where it's just like you kind of, Hayes is right, like even watching the games on Saturday and Sunday, it just felt like they were going to win. Like even when there was like a little bit of adversity in the game, it was just like, oh, they're going to get a hit here. Clement's going to like grind out this at bat and he's going to get hit. Vlade hits a homer, you know, like it, there's just a feeling with it that it almost feels inevitable right now.

I love the way you frame that because I watch the games and two things, I think they're having so much fun. I've said this before, they want to be there, they're having fun, they enjoy each other, but everyone's contributing. If you go back over, look at the three games in the past, everyone chipped in. Everyone found a way to make something happen. Yeah, do guys make mistakes? Yeah, because the other team is trying to beat you. But everyone chipped in, the bottom of the line of pitching. And I think that makes a

big difference because it feels like everyone's doing it instead of waiting for this stud, glad he's got to do it or we don't have a chance. Well, now everyone's doing it. And I think that becomes contagious because, well, if the guy beside me is doing it, I should be able to do it. And then that guy beside me is doing i should go to it and i got beside me is going to everyone chips in so i think they're having fun and everyone's contributing and i think you gotta give the manager some credit here i think that he's he's kind of created this culture where everyone feels uh...

enabled to to contribute and like we need you we doesn't matter if you're batting niner of one we need you tonight absolutely i think yes niner deserves a lot of credit for that. They're an entertaining club. The offense has come alive. They scored 16 runs over the weekend. They're one of the better offenses in baseball this year. They're also sweeping a lot of teams. Doogie just sent that in a text that the Jays have swept. They have eight sweeps this year. The Dodgers have seven Six other teams have six So they're swept more teams than anyone in baseball in order to do that

You need an aggregate over the course of a three or four game series where you're gonna You're gonna be able to lean into your offense and and that's ultimately what they're doing But I think you bring up a good point like right now, you know one of the primary conversations who's gonna lead off They don't have like a conventional leadoff hitter they've moved a lot of guys in and out over the course of the year but she outside that opportunity obviously Springer was a lead off for the you know predominant portions of his career they've tried a lot of different guys and now they got Vladimir third they got the shed hitting fourth and they're moving pieces in and

out but that's got to be I Would think very encouraging for for younger guys to be like not if I contribute enough I might lead off for a team that's got you know, 55 wins, you know, 56 57 wins They're they're into late July and they're they're almost they almost had the best record in baseball Like and they got a chance by the end of the week with the Yankees here, then they're at they also the best record in baseball like in a chance by the end of the week with the yankies here than the rat detroit before this time next week they could be the first place team overall the american league and again you've got

nathan lucas you've you've got bernie clement's you've got guys like that who are poor hitting in like predominant spotlight very important positions in the lineup uh... they've got benched up right now and i do think that's a big part of it. You know, ironically enough, when you talk about everyone feeling like they can pull their weight and they're all a part of it, it coincides with Vlad to getting the biggest contract in team history and not pulling his weight, you know, to that extent,

like his statistics in his production certainly have not met, you know, $500 million. Yet, that has just not had any effect on him. There's not more pressure on Vlady or more pressure on Byshek because he's got one year left in his deal. If everyone else pulls their weight, then it really does take the pressure off the best players. And that's a big part of what we saw this weekend. Well, and Hayes, like you mentioned the offense. What do we think of like today's offense in baseball

hit a lot of home runs strikeout a lot and one of the two things they don't do they don't hit up ton of home runs and on strikeout a lot of when they get up a salon to get on base a lot it's a very kind of throwback e type team well and that's kind of the way that akins and company were building them right like they've been building a team that was they wanted to defense first

and uh... you know that's what's interesting about what people are kinda speculating on who they could try to acquire you know before the trade deadline or they care is there a power about out there there's probably a couple they could acquire or they prefer to acquire someone who just gets on base that has some speed You know Quan is obviously he's the one coming up the most. Yeah, exactly leadoff hitter

Exactly that like it would kind of check a lot of boxes like you stuff him in left field another reason another thing that they could Use help in in terms of consistency there when Varsha returns you put him in centerfield you figure it out from there So yeah, Stephen Kwan's the name that's coming up that is not you know gonna be a 40 45 He's not the equivalent of Santander, but he probably fit in very well in terms of just rolling it over you know next guy up, what do you have and It's it's really been fun to see like it really is fun to see and the American League's wide open like you got the Yankees In town for three Catch up with Tim Kirch and a little bit later this afternoon Keegan Matheson

I feel like whenever you play the Yankees and this is not only the Blue Jays that are gonna have to entertain this question It's do even pitch to judge like to even do even throw do you throw him anything or do you just? Basically concede a base almost every time it comes up It's been an ongoing conversation for years. I think it's even more important than ever now, you know, remember last year They played him. I think in September Challenged him and everyone was like who cares they stink. They're not going anywhere You might as well challenge them curious what the mentality of John Schneider is gonna be the next few nights You know, do you challenge him because at some point you have to do you allow?

you know gosselin tonight yours or tomorrow to go at him or Do you play a conservative? It's a it's a it's a confounding question every single time you play judge in the Yankees Well, there's a question of you know, what's the right thing to do for judge? But what about showing faith in your picture, right? Hey, bud We're scotch. Yeah, just give them four and get out of order or intentional walk of what's the right thing to do for a judge, but what about showing faith in your pitcher? Right? Hey bud, we just want you to just give them four and get out of there or intentional walk, whatever it is.

And I, like, I don't, I would like to say, I know you're probably going to lose it, you know, often enough where he's going to hit a bomb out, but I want to trust my players. Hey man, you can do this because, you know, whether they, it's today and whatever it is, July 21st, you're probably going to have to beat them at some point in the playoffs. He might have to pitch to them. So I'd rather him pitch now and get that experience than pitch away from them. Also, you get the highest pressure moment and have to go through it. So I think you've got to be really careful.

I know people will crank out the numbers and get their computer sheets out, but there's the emotional part of it as well that I think is really important, Jonas. I have the spreadsheet up. You would be that guy, I think. Don't pitch to him, please. I just think you can't. You can't fight Jonas. Yeah, you can because the numbers are facts and you can't argue with the...

But no, I actually agree with you and I actually don't think the personalities of some of these pitchers are going to allow for that. Is Kevin Gosling going to back down from judge? Max Scherzer is not going to not pitch to judge. He just isn't. Yeah. Right. And it's more like high leverage scenarios where you need to be smarter. Okay. Like if you're going to see him, let's say he gets 15 at bats the next few days, you're

not going to intentionally walk him 15 times. But if you get into a high-leverage situation where you know bases are empty, two outs, you're up a run or two, yeah maybe you avoid that right? You dodge that bullet and you allow someone else to beat you. But I agree with you. I mean tonight, Gosman's gonna want them early and Scherz is gonna want them tomorrow and Bassett's gonna want them on Wednesday and yeah I think that there's messaging to that. There's also faith in your own offense in the way that they're playing right now that they can make up for any mistake that could happen.

You know, that you feel like if there's an arms race, so to speak, offensively, all of a sudden the Jays offense can keep up with anybody. We just saw it like the Giants just couldn't do it. The Giants had opportunities, in particular over the weekend. Friday obviously the Jays won 4-0 and shut them out. But the Giants were putting runs on the board and the Jays just kept answering and continued to be the pace car, especially yesterday afternoon. I think it's another perfect time for the Yankees to be up here. It's interesting after they just swept them two weeks ago that and that

was very monumental because that pushed them past the Yankees. They started that series three games back. They left it a game up. Now they're what? What are they? Three games up in the Yankees. You got a real chance to separate now. Like this is one where the Yankees are probably always going to be somewhat on your heels, but if you can take two out of three or get really greedy and find a way to sweep them, which seems crazy that you're going to beat them seven times in a row over the course of two weeks. Seems unlikely, but if you can take two out of three, like you're really cooking with gas at that point. Like you have a stranglehold on the division

Going into detroit detroit won last night, but prior to that they had lost. I think six in a row You might be getting them at the right time Trade deadline right around the corner a lot of positive vibes a lot of positive vibes With the jays right now and it's interesting. We'll get into this a little bit later on I don't know if I guess we could ask ask Kirkjohn, but it's his colleague. You see Scoobal was pitching for the Tigers last night, pitched a gem. Yeah, again.

And, you know, Buster Olney, who's just reporting and doing his job, and ESPN's objective in terms of, you know, it's not a team broadcast, but the Tigers are leading the Central, leading the American League. Scoobal's, you know, a Cy Young, he's gonna win it again this year

and only basically said this guy's gonna make four hundred million and it's just a matter of whether or not he goes to the yankees the dodgers of the mets needless to say tiger fans watching the broadcast did not love that type of reporting. You know, I'm sure we can all probably reason with that, but Strud, you might be the best of the bunch here to speak to that. That would be like, you know, an insider journey.

You can make it equivalent. Yeah, I'd be like, well, McDavid's going to make 20 million and it's either the Leafs, the Rangers, or the Kings. Meanwhile, back to the third here, Oilers League 3-2. Like it's kind of a tough report. It is hard. Well, because it doesn't matter what city you live in. You don't want your – well, it just happened with Toronto. Marner left. And it's hard. You can say that it's

not emotional. It is emotional. You're from Toronto. You choose to leave. And that's hard. And fans want to feel like you draft the player and you are theirs. You're you're part of them You embrace the city and all that stuff So when they hear that they don't want to hear their young stud pictures walking out the door at some point It's he's theirs, right you cheer for them You buy his jerseys go to the games your kids idolize them So it's really the emotional part more than I think that that cerebral part of the Jonas to kind of Yes, the fans

in. And they're in first place. Well, that's right. Yeah, good point. But I would wonder like if I'm the Jays right now and you're obviously have the Yankees in town, I wonder if you're the front office, how much you're thinking of like that whole, do we have to like get this guy like Suarez is another name that comes up a lot. Like, do we have to get this guy to prevent him from going to the Yankees? How hard do we have to go in terms of what

we add because we know the Yankees are not going to do nothing? Like I've always been fascinated that with because you hear it at the trade deadline in the NHL front offices will will say, well, we don't really care what other teams are doing. We're just focused on it. It's like, come on, like completely bogus. Yeah, you have to consider what other teams are doing. I mean, that's who you're competing with. Yes. Competing against. Yeah, I do think that's a part of it.

Like the Tigers are an interesting one because if it's just a foregone conclusion, their best player is going to leave. You know, and maybe you will, maybe you won't. And again, all these just being honest. Like if he gets 400 million, it's probably not in Detroit. You know that's just probably not gonna be the Tigers ownership that gives them that it's gonna be some crazy eight or ten year deal at 40 million a year and that's probably the Yankees or the Mets or you know, the Dodgers that are gonna do that But if if that is a foregone conclusion if you're the Tigers, are you in a window?

Because they just bottomed out. They did that. A decade ago, just over a decade ago, they were one of the best teams in the American League, went to a World Series. That's when they had Verlander and Scherzer and Cabrera and all those guys. Then they bottomed out. They were bad for a long time. Last year, they had that magical run, one of the truly great August, September runs

in recent history, to make the playoffs and now this year They're in a driver's seat to win a pretty bad central division But still make the playoffs in a relatively watered down American League So are you gonna trade assets where you know, they're valuable and they got a pretty good farm system Because you think you got a year or two window or do you have to look at it? Like we need those guys because we can't pay with the other big guys You know in terms of going for it right now It makes it complicated and what I think again from a Jays lens is you're pretty lucky because we're all you know

Jays fans are pretty lucky. Yes. It's not the Yankees Mets or Dodgers. Those three teams are different. They're separate There was a time when the Red Sox were a part of that group I wonder if they'll get back there again Houston spent a lot of times the Angels at different times Texas at different times But the Jays are one of the top ten teams in the league that will pay like they're you know They just proved that with Lottie. They're not gonna get scoobled But if scoobled was a J they might pay him that you know like they might they they're kind of in a different world They're not quite the Yankees, they're not the Tigers, they're somewhere in that middle ground where I think you can feel like

there's stability. In terms of going all in, that feels inevitable. It's just a matter of who and what that is. I'm not sure there's a starter available that's going to be better than Gosman, Bassett or Barrios. So is there a purpose in that? I don't know. What's available I guess right? Well we don't know that that's the like if you have to pay through the nose for Joe Ryan. Right is it worth is it worth all that? I don't know. I would I would think it's more reasonable that they try to get two like high quality leverage bullpen arms and have a four or five man bullpen that you love and trust multiple guys that can pitch in high leverage and that's what

you're going to invest in. And trust Bassett, Barrios and Gosman, trust or hope that Scherzer stays healthy and that's kind of what you're going with in terms of rotation. You're going to ask for three or four innings out of your starters, and then you're gonna go to a bullpen like I think that's the most realistic outcome here But we'll see between now and the trade deadline Alright, so we've got Tim Kirch and coming up just after five o'clock his his taking the Jays being on a heater Jays Yankees tonight

The trade deadline around the corner boba Shet his deal up at the end of the year. Where does it go with Bo? It's a big stretch run for him as well in terms of his future, maybe here in Toronto or or elsewhere. We'll get into all that and more still to come. And the open championship is officially behind us. And it was a breeze, man. When Scheffler had the lead after 36 holes, it was over. At that point, you could just put his name on the Claret jugger.

It was done. There was no way he was going to lose. He didn't. He made it was over. Like at that point, you could just put his name on the Claret Jogger, it was done. There was no way he was going to lose. He didn't. He made it look easy. I think I said on Friday, he's just going to shoot 68 and fall asleep on Sunday. That's what he did. 68 on the nose and just walks it home.

Guy's an absolute machine. We'll come back and get into that. We've got our, obviously we're going to review what happened over the course of the weekend, but we'll keep looking ahead to the Yankees and Jays series again tonight. Strudy's in here, Jonas in here, I'm Brian Hayes, Overdrive Continues, TSN 1050N on TSN 4. Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament.

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overdrive continues powered by fando all bringing everything from the opening line of the final score dan rapid what would join us a little bit later on he was overseas well poor rush scottie chefler winning his fourth major uh... just so routine all weekend like the guy is such a machine and i saw someone put you put the stats together. Over the

last two and a half years, three years, he's basically accomplished Jordan Spieth's whole career in terms of the majors, in terms of tournaments wins. When you look at his last three years compared to what Tiger Woods was doing, I think between 02 and 05, basically the same amount of wins you know amounting you know strokes gained all that kind of stuff and it's always going to be well tiger tiger tiger and I don't think that's a fair bar to set like I just Tigers a different beast but in terms of him just being so dialed in and I fully expect him to win the way I expected tiger to win back in the day. It's not far off

Like it's not far off. Yeah, he doesn't have the aura of tiger. He doesn't want to be tiger Yeah, those are his remarks. Like he just kind of he loves to play and he plays and then he wants to go home That's cool He's not gonna transcend the game like tiger. That's not gonna happen. No one was gonna do it but terms of like Distance control and being automatic and never seemingly screwing up anything, the guy's a machine. I don't think there's anyone close to him.

I think that a couple things. I think consistency. He's a really good player, but he's consistent. He hits the shots at the right time like that. Chip on the first to put it close and gets the birdie. It's like we're not TV off? Obviously, I stopped watching it. But I've got, I was thinking about this a lot and I, this is what I think. You listen to his comments even after again, you know, golf is third and that's great. I love family,

faith. I think that's fantastic. But the difference between Tiger Woods and almost every other player of this generation or the one Tiger was part of is that Tiger wanted to destroy his opponents. And I think he put the work in all the time. I don't think Tiger Woods probably ever took a day off. He was always at the range working out whatever he had to do. He was working on it. And I think you look at a guy like Jordan Spieth fell off. Rory fell off. You go through all the guys that were good for a while and off i'm sick here i can't i believe that rory will follow their footsteps because it's hard to state the pinnacle

because you have to put so much time in because he's not program like tiger woods was he's amazing player but he can't keep that edge forever jonas so i think we'll see a fall off and she e m notes from the run up to what Tiger did. But no, the length of Tigers because he was so focused. And I don't think that anyone else is programmed that way. Well, I was thinking watching over the weekend, and I wanted

actually like I'm not a big golf person. And I was actually going to watch because I was intrigued. But it just felt very inevitable. And so I was thinking like the last day or so like who are the most inevitable athletes like I've watched? And like, I would put Jordan one, Tiger two, and then the three guys in tennis as and I guess you could throw Serena in there as well, where it just felt like every big tournament, every big moment, you kind of just felt like it was going to happen. And that's how it felt over the weekend. Like it just felt like inevitable, like he was just going to win. It wasn't compelling. It was, it was just kind of over. Yeah.

And I mean the difference, um, between golf and tennis is interesting because like tennis, someone has to individually beat you, you know, and I think if you get, you got to put collectively the three of them together because they beat each other, right? It wasn't a guarantee Federer would win. I just mean like early Federer. It was just like he was winning every slam. Seemingly, and Djokovic there for a run, obviously considering he's got more slams than anybody. And you're right though, like in terms of,

I guess with golf, like any other sport, if the guy's dialed in, he's just so much better. Like that's really what it is. Like he's just better than everybody else off the tee is irons. His approach game is scramble is his ability to putt, which was always a struggle in the past, but he's improved greatly. He's got a clutch gene. He's got that mentality where he doesn't seem nervous, which is probably the

ultimate cheat code, right? In the, in the most suspenseful moments in sports, that's what made Jordan so great. That's the ultimate Trump card with the Jordan LeBron stuff in the in the most suspenseful moments in sports that's what made Jordan so great that's the ultimate trump card with the Jordan LeBron stuff is the clutch gene of Jordan which sometimes it's over played you know it's not a hundred percent accurate but it became this larger-than-life thing where you're like he wants the ball he's gonna hit the shot and you know it's going in and it's over right and Kobe had an element of that as well And Scheffler's got it like Scheffler has that vibe to him. There was no way he was choking

There was no way he was gonna throw it away. There was just no way and now he's got four majors He's a US Open away from the career slam So that becomes a big story of the next you know, two or three US opens wouldn't surprise anyone if you want it again If you want it next year and just closed and he's twenty nine years old so how you know the question you bring up strut is a valid one you know how long can you stay sharp you know that that's

that's probably the true testament you know that the great the all-time great like the goat chats you gotta have a along like you have a decade, 12, 14 years, right? That's the requisite. You got to have that.

And Scheffler's had it now for about three. So I'd say he needs another five or six years of like all-time great play to launch into a conversation where you can even chat about him as a top five player, top 10 player. Is he on pace? Sure, but you got to have more than that but study makes a good point like can you do that if you're not an insane person I don't know because some guys are wired that way like the way he spoke on it about other things being you know more important than him I think or I think he's being genuine so I don't know like I don't I don't know I, I look at a guy like Mahomes,

where I think Mahomes is wired that way, where he's a freak of nature, where he lost the Super Bowl. He was in third straight Super Bowl, and there were videos of him walking into the facility a few weeks later, working out, and being like, he back on the grind. Like, it's a crazy mentality, you have to have. Brady was probably at the top of that list.

The hard part of that is you're always being chased. It's easier to chase someone than to be the one who's being chased because you have to push yourselves. You don't have someone to follow to try to catch. Right now, Rory said it after. He's like, he's the bar we're all trying to catch. They all know. They all took a run on Sunday.

They all kind of got within five or six, but it really didn't look like they were going to catch. So they all know and they all took a run on Sunday, they all kind of got within five or six but it really didn't look like they were going to catch them. But those guys can all go down and go to the whatever, the chipping green and work on their chips knowing they have to get a stroke better per round to tie, not to beat them, just to tie them. And then the challenge for this, for Shadi is that he has one child, I'm guessing he's going to have more, and then that takes a bit of your time, it takes a bit of your energy, and that's just human nature.

So how do you push that, not push it to the side, but do everything you need to do and then allot that, whatever time's left to your family, because right now the child's pretty young, he didn't have a kid before, he can just do whatever he wants. You come home, see your wife, give her a hug, kiss, dinner, you're good to go. But when you have kids, it gets harder. And that's why I give credit to Tiger, a lot of credit. He was so dialed in. I don't believe he missed anything and nothing was compromised his desire to be the best.

And that's what gave him such a long runway. And he had circus going on around him. It's incredible what he accomplished yeah like the tiger you had in the burner phones and also what the hell's going on with this guy how is he so good but yet uh... you know it it is it also i would have to believe in this this will be a challenge to for shephler is how intoxicating it is though to keep to hold on to what you have now because

again he basically said he's willing to give that up like that if he has to right like in the in the blink of an eye and I'm sure there were other guys who would have said that and then they got it and they had it they're like I'm not giving this, and again, Tom Brady's probably the best example of that. Like Brady, if he had retired five years earlier, he's still probably the greatest ever. Like he had probably accomplished that by the time he was 40. You know, did he have to go to Tampa?

Probably not. Like, you know what I mean? Like, let's say the Tampa years just never happened. COVID hit, he breaks loose with Belichick and Krath and the Pats and goes, you know what, I'm retired. I'm just gonna go and I got a family and I'm done. He's probably already the greatest of all time, but he couldn't because he was Tom Brady

and he's like, I need a challenge. I need to go, I need to play. I know I can still play. I'm not giving it up. This Mahomes kid's here. He's not taking it from me while I'm still going. Like I'm not giving it up. This Mahomes kid's here. He's not taking it from me while I'm still going. I'm not giving that up. And I'm curious how that applies to Scheffler.

Is he really willing to give it up? It sounds like he is. It sounds like that's the way he's wired. And hopefully, this never has to be a legitimate conversation. Hopefully, nothing happens where he's ever got to leave the game. But man, it's intoxicating. When you're the man for a long time

You know, you've got it. You've got the mantle everyone looks to you. You're the king That's tough man. That becomes incredibly intoxicated. It doesn't seem like he really no drug like any of that. I'm with you Yeah, I with you choice. I don't think he's into that either like there's any commercials like did do we know him from doesn't do anything Well speech was talking on that. We'll come back and we'll play the speed thing I don't think he's into that either. Are there any commercials? Do we know him from that? Doesn't do anything. Well, Spieth was talking on that. We'll come back and we'll play the Spieth thing. Spieth knows them. They're both Texans.

I think they grew up playing together a lot. They know each other very well. And Spieth basically said this guy is completely different than everybody else. So we'll play that. We'll get into it. Something to chew on brought to you by Boston Pizza. We got a spicy one for both of you guys today on that front. So we'll get to that. We're going to unveil a bracket as well. TSM radio's got a bracket. The most valuable athlete of

the last 25 years here in Toronto. We'll unveil that. We'll go through our eight picks today and then we'll keep whittling it down day in, day out as we get closer to the end of the week. Dan Rapoport on the show today. We got Keegan coming up live from the park, Jay's Yankees tonight, Tim Kirkjian in about 25 minutes overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 4. Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament. I've been visualizing my match all week.

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But you got there on time. Intact Insurance, your auto service ace. Certain conditions apply. All right, Tim Torchend of ESPN in about 20 minutes Jay's on a heater they come out of the break with a sweep what a statement and you talked about a last week's study when you come out of the all-star break like the importance of putting your best foot forward and everyone contributing and making a statement you couldn't ask for a better one this weekend. No it's

fantastic I think the big thing is not to ease your way back in come back with the purpose and then it sets the tone for your You know, whatever and question second half. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's perfect. And that's uh, that's what we saw now I saw Keegan Matheson who will join us later this afternoon giving us an update I guess John Schneider an update on Anthony Santander and he's still like week to week there's inflammation in the shoulder I Just these are one of the scenarios where if they know he's not gonna play Just say he's not gonna play you mean like don't say day to day for like really like I Kind of get the impression. They know he's not gonna play You know again, it's not it's not gonna harm you one way or the other

It's not the end of the world one way or the other it just it kind of feels like It's a little carrot that they're hanging out like maybe sometimes he could still contribute this year and obviously they'd like him to But this guy has been on the 60 day. I L. He's not even swinging. He's weeks away from swinging you know, so obviously he's getting have swinging. He's weeks away from swinging. So obviously he's going to have to go down to Dunedin, work out for a couple of weeks and then rehab stints. What is... We're running out of weeks, as Keegan tweeted out. But I think what is is that it weakens your bargaining position.

If you're going into the market to get a player like him, you have to make people believe this guy's coming back. Well, this is just insurance. Jonas will just be our insurance guy. Meanwhile, you know what's going. So I think it's, it's, it's not about, unfortunately it's not about the fans. It's about the other teams. Well, what if it's reasonable?

Yep. What if Hazer's a world where he just comes back and he's just like a bat on your bench in the playoffs? Like, I don't know. Wouldn't that be weird that he was your big fish? Sure. You went out and got, you paid a fortune to and Yeah, maybe could Kirk Gibson for us one time and come in and pinch it that's like everybody got a jersey for him

Yeah, buddy, they acquired it's like they're kind of like Scherzer's made his way back Hoffman's obviously been around But it's like what happens with him in as when he comes back. How does that impact on like? like what happens with him and as when he comes back how does that impact on like well and the reality is like even a son Tundera was a hundred percent how he's playing because of the financial commitment like they will they will have him playing in some capacity but do you really want him taking swings over Addison Barger right now I don't like I'm not taking barger out of the lineup for him no that's clearly not gonna happen you're to want the bop at some point, right? Well, and that's the thing.

Like at some point you rely on a guy who's 31 and has been in the league for a long time that has a track record that you've invested in that he's going to supply more than what Will Wagner is or Joey Luperfito or whatever. Like they'd find a role for him and he'd play. I'm just, you know, it's one of those apple cart things. Like, do you want to mess with a good thing right now? Where there has been a lot of guys in and out of the lineup. Like, there's, it is rolled over from day to day.

If they're facing left, he's facing righties. You know, they have shown some depth here. And it would only add to that, which would certainly be a bonus. But it is somewhat amazing that it's July 21st. They have the same amount of wins as the Dodgers and you're sitting here saying, oh, I don't know if we need Santander, you know, like it would be a bonus. It's kind of incredible. You want the option though. You want to have that option. So if you can get it back and you can get

healthy now, you're right. It does feel a little bit unlikely, but if he is able to get back and feel healthy, I want to see where he fits in. and i want to figure out because he'd be an upgrade a lot of situations uh... but he's not a percent that's an easy answers well right i think it's i'd just want that i'd want to have that rather not have it for sure so i think that's why they're maybe keep trying to push it that and it sure it is and listen we still have a couple of months left in the season there There is time for him to possibly recover, come back.

He's not having surgery to our knowledge. At least they haven't determined that. So if it's simply just rest and rehab, then obviously it's still possible that he could arrive down the road. But yeah, it is pretty incredible. We're tracking what's going on down in Dunedin and Varshoos down there And I think he is probably gonna return in the next couple of weeks But Manoa pitched really well yesterday. I don't know if you saw that but like his numbers are pretty good through a lot of strikes You know, he looks alright. I don't know. I am NOT I am more skeptical personally

I was talking to my buddy about that over the weekend He was throwing it out like it was a foregone conclusion, Manoa would return and help out in some way. I'm not convinced that's going to happen at all, but that's an easy story to root for. By the end it was really ugly, but it'd just be incredible if he returned in some capacity. Like when you go take that surgery, when you start the actual pitching, how long does he usually take you back on the legit playing, pitching in the major? Let's assume that he is a major league pitcher. Is it a month?

How much time do you need? I don't know. It's a while. That's the thing. I would think they'd leave him down there as long as they possibly can. There are contractual things that have to be considered in terms of, you know, once you've recovered and the PA

and if he's ready to move up, where does he move to and all that kind of stuff. But I think you would be afforded a fair amount of time. Now that I believe was the second time out. So I don't have an answer for you, Strutt, in terms of how long he could be down there until he's got to move somewhere or got to be expected to do something. The Jays wouldn't be the only team watching them and tracking them.

Every team might be looking at them thinking, all right, if it gets to a point where he's just a free agent and someone wants to take a flyer on them, that's possible as well. But the Minoa story in general is pretty incredible that it's possible, he factors in. I'm doubtful, but it's possible. We'll ask Keegan Matheson about that a little bit later this afternoon Something to you I'm brought to you by Boston Pizza Canada's favorite sports bar Joy $15 lunch at BP where you get an entree a side and a drink and you'll get it all in 20 minutes or less a fast Lunch doesn't have to be fast food see you for a $15 fast lunch at your local Boston pizza. So we saw, you know, Fandor was pumping these out. Like they've got all these different kind of props and these different kind of 1v1 type

betting models that they generally lean into and a lot of it is Canadian based and popular players. But we saw them posing the question, who is going to have more points next season? Austin Matthews or Mitch Marner? And we thought we'd float that out, something to chew on. And Jonas, you can take the floor. I'm sure you've thought of this. Who do you think will have more points next year?

Matthews or Marner? I have not thought about this, so I don't... Hmm. Haven't thought about that. Not at... No. Okay, well that's even better than you got it You got to go and clean can't pump in the stats can't consider any of the Projections would take Marner

You go at Mitch Why is that? It's a good question cuz like Marner just Marner's more a point producer and I mean The funny thing is Matthews has more points. Yeah, but I think of Marner I don't know like he just is able to kind of stack up points easier because of he gets so many assists Mm-hmm. I don't know what effect him not being on the team on Marner's line on the power or on Matthews line on the power play Is gonna have on Matthews. I don't know what impact it's gonna have on the team as a whole goal scoring wise I don't know like I like if I was

projecting next year from Marner I would guess like he'll have like 95 to 99 points and if I was gonna guess on Matthews I guess I would do like 90 to 95 okay so you're on Mitch. All right, Strudy, do you have an answer on that? Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna agree with Jonas as I usually do. 18. But this is why.

So I believe that Marner's going to situation he'll be more comfortable with because he gets to play at the really strong center that he can work with and they can get him the puck and vice versa. Whereas with Matthews, he doesn't have someone at least clear to me who's going to be playing beside him there. He has Nice for sure and maybe Nice will take more of a role as far as carrying the puck or having the puck more than he has

in the past when those other two guys are on the ice. So I think for Marner, the transition will be cleaner and simpler because Jack Eichel, although he's a righty, should be able to get him to puck more off the end, play a bit more catch with him rather than what Matthews is dealing with now with the group he has. Now Eichel is more of a, I consider him more of a playmaker than a pure shooter. That's interesting. Now that's the thing, and that has been brought up, some people brought that up in terms of talking about Vegas, is that they don't have a lot of pure goal scorers there. that's the thing like and that has been brought up some people brought that up in terms of talk about that is

so they don't have a lot of pure goal scores there they got a lot of play makers you know a lot of guys want to pass first as opposed to shoot first uh... if you include i call on hurdle and uh... stone and you know that's obviously a big four up front i do think i get to be very close i think i'd like question whether or not mariner is going to put up the same amount of points based on the history of the Vegas School of Knights

where there just isn't generally guys who put up massive numbers. You know, we talked about this multiple times last year. Eichel set a franchise record last year, albeit they've only been around for a decade. Well, and they haven't had a guy like him, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess so. I mean, like who would you say is who is that? Eichel Michael's better player than Mitch Marner though, like I go right, you know, so they had better players and he's a center But off in terms like his ability to stack up points. Here's the question

I have like Hayes if you were gonna project how many goals do you think Matthew scores next year? I think he's gonna hit 50. Okay, so I'm gonna lean into him having a big bounce Back here fair. I agree with that. So let's say he scores 50, right? Is he gonna get 45 assists like who is he setting up like where well? I mean this is where again the first power play if he's out there with Nylander who's one of the seven or eight best goal scorers in the league, but he's a shooter on the power play generally generally Yeah, but he's still you know, you pick up secondary assists you move the's a shooter on the power play generally generally yeah but he's still you know you pick up secondary assists you move the puck around like on the power play I hear what you're saying but like so is dry

subtle dry subtle rocks up assists but he's a better passer than Matthews and like when Matthews had a hundred and was it a hundred and seven points or is that a hundred and seven and a hundred and six and I think those were both actually I know those are both sixty gold season big goal scoring years so like if that's gonna happen if he's gonna happen, if he's gonna have 60 goals, which is possible, like, he'll probably- If he ends up with 60 goals,

he'll have more points than Mitch Morse. Yes, sure. Like, I have no doubt in that. I'm not sure he's gonna hit 60 again in his career. Like, those are- Ever? I'm not, I don't know if he will. I mean, again, he's going into his 10th year,

he's not young, now Marner's gone. I wonder where his priorities go in terms of you know team first defense load management You know, it's an Olympic year. He's gonna play a lot of hockey. I don't know. I mean I I expect a much better year. I think Matthew's have a great year I think you should be motivated to have an unbelievable season, you know without Marner because now of a sudden I think it's the best goal scorer in the world, and people are questioning whether or not he can score without a guy. Like, what a shot at him.

Health is a big part of it. Health is like the biggest part of it all. Huge, and huge in terms of this projection. Yeah. More than Marner. Big time, Marner's gonna play 82 games. No, but I mean like more, like what is he gonna score is more to me by a lot about health

than it is about Marner. Like yes, if he's healthy he's going to score 50 goals. Like I have no doubt. Right. Yeah, I think there's truth in that. Now there's also the element of Marner may take him a while to fit in. Like he might, I don't think he'll Stamkos and Marshes sow it, but he might get there and it's uneasy and it's not a perfect fit right off the bat. Why is that just impossible? Just his personality, he's a very outgoing, I just don't see that. Okay. Yeah, it's not impossible. You're right.

It seems very, very possible that it will be somewhat of a transition for him at a minimum. Sure. All right, Jonas. All right, more on this into the next hour. Tim Kirch and coming up, Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by FanDuel. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score.

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