OverDrive - OverDrive - July 23, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jason Strudwick and Frank Corrado for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the acronym the Toronto Transit Commission for Provincial Offences Officers with POO, the Browns' employee falling off the platform in their helmet reveal and the Blue Jays' win streak snapped against the Yankees. TSN Football Insider Dave Naylor joins to discuss the Bills' overview for the season, Tua Tagovailoa's viewpoint on Tyreek Hill's relationship with the team and Chad Kelly's injury timeline with the Argonauts.

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This Hour of Overdrive is powered by FanDuel. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Alright, here we go, Overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN2. Brian Hayes, Frankie Carrotto, Jason Strudwick. Beautiful Wednesday afternoon. How we feeling today, boys? What's up, fellas? Have you guys seen this TTC thing where they've changed the name of the people who inspect for tickets and the new acronym? Do you know what that is? Yes, I'm aware of it. But go ahead, please.

Is this not the most bizarre thing? They would have had a lot of time to workshop this and test it out, and they came up with P.O.O. Provincial Offenses Officer. Poo. What do you do? Oh, I'm a poo for the TTC. That's how I operate. Serious business. Evidently, whoever's running their Twitter account, I don't know if you guys saw this. I hope I'm not being a dupe because I will admit I was laughing. With Twitter right now, you guys know, you have no idea what's real, what's not, what's a bot.

AI's throwing everything out of whack. But I saw someone joking about it online, which naturally joking, was an adult around our age. Again, it's probably, is it immature humor to laugh at an acronym like that? Of course it is. Will I ever not laugh at an acronym like that of course it is like never not laugh at that now i i always will like there will always be a time in my life we're all laugh at the stupidity of something like that

and someone was tweeting about it and pointing it out just having fun and someone from the admin staff of the pool department came over the top with like grow up sir like how dare you like and it's like you know how this is no laughing matter yes or not only was this is not this you're not helping it's bad enough that it probably doesn't smell great

on a lot of those this is a little summer heat and as a city kid who grew up i used to take the ttc to go to school Like you you go to school more to come home the Apple unit like 330 when it's 35 degrees outside It was a wild scene wild wild scene But yeah, so we're getting things done in the city, right? Like we're getting things done There's a lot going on that egg Wintoninton LRT. Nothing to see here. We got the food department.

We're years away. We're almost there. We're just a couple more years and we'll get that Eglinton LRT. Yeah, matter of years. We got the food department. I think that everything's really trending upward. Everything's working strong. Your favorite city.

Everyone in Toronto, we're not calling in the military yet, but it's right around the corner. They're on call if we ever need them. But why would you put that in there? When you're putting this together as a think tank and people get together and you know it's going to be mocked, so just change it. Just avoid it. It's almost like it's like we don't care.

We know we're right. We're going to do this. And there's just an arrogance about it. And you see it other places too, that weird first letter acronyms like that. Yeah, it is interesting. How you got there? Maybe the acronym just never came up. Maybe people are just kind of, they were blind to the acronym.

They weren't thinking that way. It just rolled off the tongue, the actual terminology, and they thought this is great and people are going to take this very seriously, which which is again something that probably isn't gonna happen like i i get why they're there they're trying to make sure that people can affairs and there's always always issues with transit and money and all that kind of stuff which i i understand people probably work in a take it out seriously anyway unfortunately and now on top of it with the acronym

you could be in for one but uh... i have not personally come across anyone in this new department i look forward tipping my car was a little bit of a haven't seen anyone representing who have not seen anyone representing them yet i pay all my fair it's all good whenever i'm there i'll make sure to do that as another cast a hard guy though well you know what it's interesting because when I was a kid growing up it was remember you just they'd have the little like the I don't even know how to describe it. It's like

a kiosk where you get a token and you go through the roundabout. Well there's the roundabout but there was also where there were staff that would you get change you could buy tickets back then you know because the fare back then was $1.50 or whatever it was when I was a kid, especially if you had a student card. So it wasn't exact change, and there'd generally be tellers. And the tellers would be sitting there watching,

and they'd be quick on the trigger to stop the, I'm struggling for words here, not the roundabout, but the way to get through into the stage is it a carousel is it yeah I guess I guess a carousel but it's at your hip you know like a carousel sometimes at like Canada's Wonderland to get onto a ride like it flips over if you know what I mean like it's not the yeah not the full-bodied one it's at your hip it's like a carousel and I'd go in there as a kid sometimes when I didn't have enough money and you'd be like, how am I going to get on this train?

I have to get home and I spent all my money doing something else stupid. And you'd try to come up with as many coins as you could, pennies, nickels, and you'd just throw them in there and fly through and hope that the guy wasn't quick enough to kind of, hey, wait a minute, you're short. But every once in a while, you'd get a guy who was on his toes and he'd click it and you'd just get buried by that thing in the waist and then he'd say, wait a minute, come back here.

It's like, you're short. And then eventually, if you're 13, 14, and you're like, I'm sorry, I don't have enough money, you'd be like, go ahead, just get it. I'm like, then why'd you stop me in the, I guess it's a good lesson. I should make sure I have the right, appropriate amount of money. I guess what I'm admitting, why did you stop me? I guess it's a good lesson. I should make sure I have the right appropriate amount of money. I guess what I'm admitting to is about 25 years ago, if the Poo department was around,

they would have their eyes on me. Did you be full of poo? I would have been knee deep. I would have been knee deep and I would have been in serious trouble. But now, we're living in an era where there's's cars there's the presto system all that kind of stuff disappoint we have tokens anymore i don't think we have to use the tokens anymore like you can't buy them but i i think even if you had a bunch left over like they might not even be valid i

haven't been down there in a while my last recollection of it is like there's no one really not that there's no one inspecting but of it is like, there's no one really, not that there's no one inspecting, but there's no guy there. There's no authority that you need to check in with. It's like, you're on your own, you swipe your card, you go through, people jump it, people take a leak, whatever they do. It's crazy.

It's nuts. You need people around. That's ultimately what it comes down to. When there's people of authority there, or people that are staffed and working, you consider that. You're like, all right, well, let's keep everything on the up and up. When there's no people around, that's when you get chaos, man. Those tokens were so valuable though.

Back in the day, you had yourself a couple of tokens. They were so huge. That guy who was the authority on in and out of the subway, I respect that guy. He took his job seriously and sometimes, like yourself, you had to kind of face the music, but maybe it was good that we had that guy that really, really appreciated that. Being the gatekeeper. He was the gatekeeper to transit in the city. As he should be. And you'd always have to talk your way out of it. And that's another

thing. I don't know if kids are talking themselves out of things anymore. You know, like that was a skill, a life skill. Being like, all right, I just gotta face the music here. Like, how am I gonna get home? I don't have enough money to get on here. I gotta find a way to talk my way out of this. So, let us know if you've run into any of this new department.

I'm almost afraid to say it, because I feel like an idiot. Just let us know if you ran into Poo recently. feel like let us know if you read into poo recently okay let us know if you have any old-school tokens the ticket system used to be there back in the day but that was one where you had to go through the carousel you had to actually show it to someone and like put it in the little blender thing or whatever and they'd open the slot and boomy go

go on your way so beautiful beautiful start i love the nostalgia of the TTC and hopefully it continues to improve as we move forward. Turnstyle. That's what it is. It's not a carousel, it's a turnstyle. Yes, I could not remember that word. It was right there and I'm like this is bothering me. It was like that was me and Stretty trying to play one on ones. Next, next.

I knew the word but I still have PTSD it, so I don't talk about it. You got turnstile that shift. Yeah, thanks, buddy. That feels really good. Watch your back check. That's three in a row. Thanks. Well, weren't those the worst drills when the defenseman would have to start like two

feet, you know, like skating backwards, you know, on the top of the circles and the forwards cheating anyway. It's like, you think I can keep up with you? Like I can't. No. It's not possible. We're trying to get your feet going. No, no, no, that's not fair.

You're setting me up to fail. And then the forwards just fly by. They're like, see ya! Waaah! They just scream and then they score. Then all the forwards cheer. I'm like, you know what? I'll do that.

Would you guys back check? Would you actually back check with the same? Energy you do on it one is gonna turn from one one or two a breakaway right away Yeah, it bothers me so that I hate though. I run D man cancer. We don't do that I don't set the kids up to fail doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense You thought you're not coaches about time. I'm doing that way. I hate doesn't make sense Give me a chance at least. Give a guy a chance to build his confidence.

I will say this, as a younger kid I'd play forward, it was nerve wracking if you got the defenseman that could really skate. If I don't beat this guy, that's a bad look for me. Everyone else is getting burned. The fifth, sixth defenseman's getting, he's getting blown past at the first blue line. If I can't beat this guy, I'm in trouble here. six defenseman's getting, he's getting blown past at the first blue line, you know, and if I can't beat this guy, I'm in trouble here. So the nerves do go the other way when there is a defenseman like, you know, Kayl McCarr

or something like that who could actually win that. And there's like coach, coach Jim, coach Jim who like the highest he played was maybe like midget double A is just yelling, gap, gap, gap the whole time. It's like, dude, I'm trying to get the gap. Get your feet moving. Yeah I will but he's flying at me. Like it just, those drills, I still, still bothers me to this day and I'll walk by a rink and see it,

I'm just slamming on the glass. Like what are you doing? You're ruining it. Yeah, the worst. Defensemen line up, top of the circles, forwards at the hash, one on one, backwards to the red line. You're like I can't win. There's no it's not possible. It is setting them up for failure that's exactly what it is and and you're right in terms of like In terms of the forwards like they just have no remorse for you at all. No, they don't care

Yeah, you stink nice job good job They don't care. Yeah. You stink. Nice job. Good job. And they all love to, they got to whoop it up and it's a whole big thing. And then you say, do it in a game. By the way, you know who else was set up to fail today?

You know, you know who was set up to fail today? The guy, the camera guy in Cleveland when they were doing the reveal of their helmet. Did you see that? Yes, we saw that. So for starters, you're in Cleveland. of their hell risk days you see that yes all of us on that so for starters you're in cleveland secondly you work for the browns so you know uh... again it's not the perfect set up to begin with in terms of what you're preparing for

as your day is uh... is about to begin you kinda had to believe something was gonna go wrong and some who was gonna go down so they were unveiling, I guess, a new helmet. There it is. And for whatever reason, they're down at the lake. And I believe that's Lake Erie. And you can see in the corner there, there's a guy who obviously his job was to get the

reverse iPhone angle, because that looks like it's his phone. That's not a professional cameraman and he bales it goes overboard and falls right into the lake about counts is okay but is there anything more cleveland browns in the history of like a video like this i don't think you can encapsulate a team

better with their history of what they represent that that's the story. That guy falling head over, you know what, right into Lake Erie. This is the Brown. This is the Poo department all over again. They have this, first of all it's sponsored by Dude Wipes, so another reference to Poo. Perfect. And they're going to reveal this helmet and the guy falls into the lake and Deshaun Watson's on the on the PUP list and it's like this is just This is a precursor to what is happening to the Browns this year

It is gonna be a disaster and this guy falling in the lake is step one of that Yeah, and I love that. Is that the mascot who's looking at it? Oh, that's even worse. So put yourself in this guy's shoes All right. It's the new alpha dog alternate helmetate Helmet. Every team's coming out with it. It's a big production. So you are there, and you're probably miserable anyway, because you're thinking, really? This is my job. I've got to go down there and get different angles for a helmet that probably no one's really going to care about in the end.

Okay, fine. You take one step to the right, because probably someone behind the helmet said, no, no, no, move. You've got to get a better angle than that. And then when you fall in the lake the first thing you see when you open your eyes and you get up above the water is the hound like the dog that is the mascot for the team dancing like look at that guy that's a that's a mascot right there staring at the guy he he's floating away. He throws on the raft.

Oh my God. Such a Cleveland Browns moment. He's thinking he's like that helmet looks the same as the helmet we've had for the last hundred years. Like really is it that much different? Great point. Like come out with a white one or something or you know exactly like if it was green you'd be like, ah, that's a little bit different.

I don't really know why, but sure go for it. That's That's what's the difference? How's that the alpha dog alternate helmet? How is that? Yeah, I guess they have a stripe down the middle. Yeah, that's about it I don't know, but yeah, that's the Cleveland Browns for you, man That's that is what they're gonna bring to the table as an opening into the lake after the big reveal the lake after the big reveal. Oh, just probably snapping. He's probably sponsored by, sponsored by dude wipes. Dude wipes. Oh, you gotta be snap.

Yeah. Like, you know, in a situation like that, he didn't want the guy probably didn't want to be down there. Someone said, just go down and take a couple of pics for social media. Fine. I'll do it. Whatever. He's probably got a date tonight.

He's got a suit on and he falls right. Actually, if they were smart, they should release that footage. Like like they should really lean into it and say this is all the great footage And then here's Johnny overboard with his his GoPro That's a great point like cuz TMZ is gonna get that like that That is the live view of him falling into the lake and seeing Like the helmet just get further and further away and the mascot, you know, stick his head over the edge That's worth a lot of money. I think that why do I the river quickly? Like why they have to do on the river like why that's all they got strut. Yeah, I think that's all they got

They got a lake right there. They got the rock. I know but just put it in the field Like does it really have to be does it make it more dramatic because it's on the river It's not like it's on the Thames in London solve the terms of london or right you know whatever lake what do you guys are notion or like that they're like a carrier as your waterways one of the great lakes down there cleaver whatever it is you know like put it aside just don't get why has to be on the water sometimes i think we overthink these things just presented to helmet yeah it's not a new player started writing center back well i mean listen the browns there

they're trying to get a win here you know like it did such a bad scene consistently for them and uh... meanwhile this probably actually did take a lot of time lot of people kind of excited about it like you said it's a sponsored event to make a money up this and nobody cares about any that it's just the guy that went overboard

uh... and what ultimately that videos gonna look like if his phone survived is that would be the worst part to it in the end he doesn't even his phone dies cousin floats away or whatever it is he doesn't even get the cover do you suppose to these blowing up you know it's got lots of text from his buddies dog you like those you'd be on that it is you see what happened to Frankie, we'd all

just be hammering him. You know? That would be the funniest thing ever if you knew that guy. Next time he goes to a party where there's a pool, everyone's handing him a life jacket, like, please, please wear the life jacket at all times. Absolutely. Thank you. Yeah.

That guy is not living that down anytime soon. All right, so we've got Dave Naylor coming up a little bit later this afternoon. Not good news for the Argos. Chad Kelly's gonna miss another week. They got Winnipeg on Saturday night. Obviously they've won one game this year and you know it's more and more of a struggle. It's a real struggle with the way things ended against Montreal last week and the way Arbuckle played but Arbuckle is gonna start again this week and who knows when Chad Kelly's gonna return. So catch up with the nail gun on that. He's down at Bill's camp.

Get an update on the vibe around that team in about 15 minutes. And speaking of vibes, you know, they were immaculate yesterday talking about the Blue Jays and I'll tell you what, when Davis Schneider, you know, slid into home last night to make it 4-4, my house was going crazy. And at that point, I thought they're going to win the game. Like they're going to do it again. They my house was going crazy and at that point I thought they're gonna win the game like they're gonna do it again they're down three nothing immediately Chas Chisholm absolutely destroyed that baseball after disparaging him yesterday after I gave yesterday like six was it six oh five like after judge Chisholm the guy that's following he's not scaring anybody and he absolutely murdered that baseball.

An hour and a half later, yard, that was a statement by the All-Star. And listen, they hit home runs, they hit three home runs last night. And ultimately that was the story of the game. Scherzer, Bellinger had his number, two doubles on a home run. He had nothing on Bellinger. Obviously the Chisholm home run. And then in the ninth, Rice gets one on Hoffman. And what stood out to me about the game is you don't overreact. They've won 11 in a row at home. They're still in the driver's seat. They can win the division or they can win the series tonight. It's going to be tough. Max Fried on the Mount for the Yankees and Bassett for the Jays. But what we've been talking about consistently with

a week to go up until the trade deadline is what are you going to do with the rotation? What are you going to do with the bullpen? And Scherzer missed some pitches last night, which he admitted. I thought he grinded pretty well in between the first and fifth inning. I thought he grinded, but still he got hit and he got hit pretty hard. And when he made mistakes, the Yankees made him pay. And Hoffman's given up 10 home runs this year like that's a real Achilles heel for him like it that's why stats are so bloated that he gives up home runs so you know

can you rely on Scherzer obviously the Eric Lauer conversation which we talked about and with Hoffman Hoffman's gonna pitch for you and he's gonna be a guy that Schneider and his staff continue to rely on they have to and they will and I believe they should But it's an issue like if you're prone to giving up home runs in very very high leverage scenarios That's a concern as you get into August September and certainly into the playoffs. I guess like you're okay with your closer being like allowing balls in the air because obviously you're looking for for pop-outs and and things of that nature but when guys are connecting and going deep it obviously is worrisome I think you're you're still

looking at a situation where you need some Scherzer insurance you can trademark that like you need some kind of insurance on that because even if he is feeling great, it is a little bit of a grind to get through things. It's an uneasy feeling even though Hoffman had been playing better. It's uneasy knowing that if it does get in the air, it's looking like it could go deep even though you're hoping for a pop out. Well, the thing that gets me, Frank, is that if he's your closer, you know, I understand the reasoning behind putting him in a situation where it's tied, you know, going in tonight.

I guess, was Schneider thinking that, okay, he's going to get through these three, then we have the meat of the order, you know, Vlady and company coming through, and they're going to get it, so that he's kind of preloading him, thinking they'll get, generate a single run in the bottom half, is that kind of thinking? That's exactly what he's thinking. Yeah, he's thinking, we got to get out of this and give ourselves a single run in the bottom half? That's exactly what he's thinking. Yeah, he's thinking we've got to get out of this and give ourselves a chance to win the game. Listen, their bullpen's been taxed.

There's only a few guys that they really, really trust. And ultimately, I think that's what it came to. And also, the Yankees' bullpen has been taxed as well. So I think Schneider was thinking, we can get out of this clean. Obviously we got some big boys coming up. The whole basically one through nine, including guys off the bench are going to give you some confidence if they're in a situation like that in the bottom of the ninth to win it, or at a minimum you're going to go to extra innings and you feel okay about that. So I think that's what he was thinking. Like shorten

the game up, get Hoffman out there get three outs Put them in a position to walk it off And ultimately it didn't happen. They still almost did so in the in the ninth inning You know the bottom of the night that Alejandro Kirk had some of the worst at bats You're ever gonna see out of a professional last night. It was a tough swing and a miss Oh, it's like 20 to 27 about like the third out of the ninth inning was horrendous Yeah, like I got bat was awful and he had some awful at best throughout the game But you know ultimately you you turn the page over and this is the beauty of you know Winning as many games as they have battling the way they battled last night

Even though they were down three nothing and four one at one point is you know It's not it's not gonna kill the energy in the stadium tonight It's not gonna kill your confidence because you lost one game the likelihood of beating the Yankees You know six seven eight nine times in a row is Obviously highly unlikely. So the Yankees got one off you last night circle back beat their best starter tonight Max Fried's gonna be a real challenge But the way their bats have been playing and the amount of pop that's been coming out of this lineup I think you feel confident you can find a way to win tonight

Yeah And I think there's still there's still like an element of this team being willing and able to grind And scratch and claw and I think some of that applies to Vlad E where like Vlad E's not Like Keegan was tweeting about it last night like that's a good at bat to get the single. I think it was a single, but you're still waiting for Vladdy to really kind of explode. And for a guy that hits the ball as hard as he does, he should be able to get you something when you really need it in that high leverage situation. And if he does that on a more consistent basis, that's the difference between a win and a loss in a game that's you know 4-4 and you have a chance to put a team away like that. Yeah, it does come down to the context of the player and the expectation and what

What the players capable of in terms of you know, I guess reviewing a game like last night where Fladdy had a few heads but you're right, he came up with a bases loaded early in that game, a chance to really break things open and chase his pitch he shouldn't have. Later in the game he had an opportunity to basically close it. Didn't happen. So yeah, singles are great, getting on base and being patient and taking your pitch and working the count, all that kind of stuff. There's a lot of value in that but I think with with him at some point because you know he's capable of

doing it you're waiting for him to get angry up there you're waiting for him to go up swinging like especially against pitchers like he faced last night young guys with no experience that would be intimidated by him like don't give him anything go up there and let them know if they're gonna throw anything over the plate with any pace especially early in a count like we saw early in the game last night go get it Like go get it like that kid was slow since he would like with cam Schlittler Yes, he was hit Schlittler could throw his throw 98 with he oh, yeah Yeah, I wasn't didn't look cumbersome at all and he's a big towering guy

But to that point like it's not like Vlad.dy hasn't seen ninety eight before exactly he's obviously seen that before he's hit home runs at that and like he should be that that presence where a young guy looks at it and it's probably the same thing when young pitchers have to go against judge and they get a little bit scared on the mound is like that little hesitation can lead to you know leaving something over the plate that you take advantage of. And it's just that's not happening for Vladdy. No, it's not. So more on that later this afternoon. Cameron Maybin will join us just after five

o'clock. Richard Griffin coming up later this afternoon on the Blue Jays, game three of their series with the Yankees tonight. Then off to Detroit for four starting tomorrow. So a big, big few days coming up for the blue jays as they lose for the first time at home in a long time basically a month a calendar month with the all-star break uh... so it's been a long time since they left that park within it with a loss uh... but try to get back at it

tonight so griff coming up cameron may have been coming up to nail or join us we've got arbitration we're gonna play today we've done this in a long time. We'll explain it. We'll get into that in about an hour. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 2. Josh stares down the business end of his baby brother as he takes the reins on diaper duty. But Josh comes prepared with a diaper change tutorial. The video stream fast and strong. The baby stream contained. Yes, when the Har switched to Bell PureFiber internet, they wondered why they didn't sooner. Switch to the most reliable internet technology with Bell PureFiber.

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We're talking about the Browns and a bit of a debacle, them revealing their new helmet, their alternate helmet and someone fell over the side of the dock or the ledge and fell into the lake, not good. But it does actually make me think of the Browns for the first time in a long time. And Chador Sanders and where his storyline is gonna rank in terms of intriguing stories. I've heard some things about his mini camps

and how he looked and seemingly looked pretty good. I don't know. But I am quite curious about him and how he's going to look. If he ends up starting games this year, what can he do with that? How can he possibly redeem himself considering how crazy that story was with the NFL draft? Where would he be on their depth chart? Because Watson's hurt. I can't imagine him starting the season. Yeah, Watson's the stars he's not playing he's not got the achilles

he's not playing he's done so where's where sanders well they drafted a kid ahead of him that place quarterback and then they have a couple of veterans there uh... so i think he's third or fourth right now which you're not keeping three or four quarterbacks I mean clearly so I don't really know how that's going to work like I don't know you know maybe they'll keep a third quarterback possibly but it kind of feels like someone's getting caught.

Three or four in Cleveland though is like two somewhere else. Yeah absolutely maybe it's a practice squad scenario where you know is he willing to do that I'm not sure if he willing to do that? I'm not sure if he would. How does that work with the rest of the league? How do other people view him? And is someone else going to come in and pluck him? I doubt it considering he fell through the draft as much as he did.

But I have to believe he's got to have a great camp. You know, your fifth round pick. You got to have a good camp to make the team and possibly get some snaps. He's a player I followed pretty closely last year. I'm a Giants fan and there was some chatter that they were going to bring him into New York and I didn't want that for him or for my team because I think it's hard to be the son of a great, one of the great all-time players. Not only he was your son, he was also your coach and there's a lot of hype around that,

around him, around Deion, around Shadrurah, then around the team. And I think it's distracting. And then it overshadows or sometimes it shines too bright a light on what you are or can be. I think the best thing for him that could honestly happen is to just get buried, whether it's a third string, I don't know, the go in the practice swing squad is the best good third string Just get your reps and just try to hide and build your own thing because he's just it's hard Frankie Like you're just how do you stand on your own and who like how good is he? Well think about this right we could all we all have certain skills right as hockey players. We had skills football

You're a quarterback you can sling the ball But to like command the playbook and the huddle And how you operate that way that's a big difference like that's big boy stuff in the NFL that's not just throwing a pass in a in a controlled scrimmage or a Trial like that's that's where a young guy like that really has to earn his chops and and it would take a while I would imagine yeah for especially a fifth round pick They obviously saw something that made him fall that far well And you're right about that position being evaluated completely different than any other position

You know if you're a pass rusher, can you get off the line? Can you beat your one guy you're fighting with or your two guys and yes you got to know the playbook to an extent But if you're a corner, can you cover you know can't can you keep up with guys can you play a nickel could you possibly become a safety could you maybe someone who can blitz like there's a few different things that come up but for the most part it's streamlined to like do you have talent do you have ability can you do it quarterback positions completely different yes you got to have the arm you got to be able to move you got to be able to know the

playbook we also got a lead you got gotta be able to speak with the media it's either so many different things that come with being that position here's a guy that obviously covers the game and knows it very well CFL NFL is down at Bill's camp here's Dave Naylor now again we just we're stumbling across the Browns because I'm sure you saw the video earlier of them unveiling their alternate helmet and a staff member fell into the lake and it's just so typically Cleveland. But then that brought us to the Shadoura Sanders conversation and where he ranks for us in

terms of intriguing training camp stories, where would that rank for you? Oh, it's up there. Actually, I'm hoping to be in cleveland two weeks from now make a visit through there who knows what will have evolved by the time i get there and i think it would be a thing that play into it besides the dynamic of jr and just what happened to the traffic it's the browns right now i had a twenty five-year history of an inability to

identify a franchise quarterback. Then you throw in all the quarterbacks they've got in the mix from the kids from Oregon who they took before they took Sanders to Joe Flacco. You know, and that, and I mean it's just, you've got so many quarterbacks in camp that kind of shake down. And the Sanders thing is one of the more amazing things I've ever seen. I mean, I was at the NFL combine in February, early March this year where he was there. I was at his podium performance.

I was kind of shocked by it and wondered what NFL teams would think about it. And you know, it can be a really thin line between, you know, we'd love to have that guy on our team to we wouldn to have that guy on our team, to we wouldn't want that guy on the team. And the quarterback thing, like it, and it's funny, because I cover a guy who is, I hesitate to use the word perfect,

but when you watch the way Josh Allen conducts himself, whether it's at practice, after practice, with the fans, with the media, like he could teach a class on how to lead a team and be that guy. With Shadr Sanders, when I was at the podium at the combine, he was talking about if you don't think he's the best quarterback here, then you're hating on the family name. I'm like, what?

Somebody had a great line about the way Shader Sanders treated the combine, the whole pre-draft process, was he treated it like he was on a recruiting trip instead of a job interview. And if you don't believe in a guy and don't believe your room's going to rally around him and don't believe he can handle the media when things inevitably don't go well and the fans are getting into it, what teens actually see when they

start to extrapolate where this could go, is they see everybody getting fired. And that's why teams didn't take them. And that's how, you know, when the three or four teams that were candidates to take them, all turned on it, all of a sudden he's a fifth round pick. Cause if you don't want him as your number one, like, can this guy be a two? Like that's the question.

And, you know, the last thing teams want in a number two is somebody who's going to attract a lot of attention. And Jadursi Anders, by his nature, is going to do that. It goes without saying that the Browns are going to be in really tough in the AFC North, but do you think that we see any kind of, you know, changing of positions and jockeying in that division this year? I mean, it's a very, it's a weird division because you've got the Ravens

who are kind of like the Bills, right? They are put up great regular season after great regular season. They've got an MVP-worthy quarterback. It's hard to make improvements on the roster based on what they did a year ago. You just kind of hope for a different result. And then you've got Cincinnati that people are kind of shocked by amidst the playoffs two years in a row

because based on their Super Bowl appearance, a few years back, the age of Joe Burrow, them having to charge Chase. I mean Chase Brown has given them a good run game. They've got some horses on defense and yet, this is a team that a little bit gets off the bad start so they can't get out of its own way. And then you go to the intrigue that is the Steelers. And like the Steelers have been kind of a happily boring team for a long time, right?

It's not a team that deals with drama or big personalities that often. They've had two coaches, three coaches in 50 years. It's just kind of a model of stability. They never miss the playoffs. And this is a team that knows what to expect. So I don't see Cleveland climbing over any of those teams, but the AFC North is of its own pretty intriguing. With Dave Naylor and you know you mentioned you're down there at Bill's camp and you track them and follow them so closely and just being around Josh Allen and he's coming off the MVP last season. He's coming off you know another scenario where they get to the playoffs and you know who they're

going to play and it doesn't work out they can't get through them and they can't get to the Super Bowl does this year feel any different than previous years is there more urgency do they feel better about their chances are they even more hyper focused on simply finding a way to beat Kansas City like where do things stand with the Bills well I think there's been that kind of same sense of you know destiny being not far away This is my fourth year covering the team, you know on an every week basis and the first year I that I was on this beat in 2022. They began the season as a Super Bowl favorite That's three years ago, right? Oh, so this is not a not a new feeling in Buffalo

I think the difference the challenges this in Buffalo. I think the difference, the challenge is this in Buffalo this year. Offensively, can they repeat what they did last year? And I don't just mean the points scored, but also the historic level of ball security that they were able to pull off. And the consistency on the roster offensively here is incredible. I mean, 10 offensive linemen on the roster last year,

five starters and five backups, all 10 are here at training camp. You know, their one and two tight ends are the same. All three running backs are the same. James Cook was at camp today. He's not doing a hold in, he was a full participant, even though he's unhappy playing on his rookie contract. The only real changes are, you know,

Mack Hollins and Amari Cooper are gone, and they've been replaced by Elijah Moore and Josh Palmer. And that does provide a different dynamic to the offense because both those guys, particularly Palmer, are separators. You know, they're among the best, Palmer is at least among the best receivers analytically against man coverage. And the Bills saw a ton of man covers last year, which suggests that defenses didn't respect the ability of their receivers to separate. So Josh Palmer wasn't just the best receiver

that the bills could afford on the market, he has a skill set that they very much need. And it was funny, I talked to Palmer today, and a great line, never heard a receiver say this, he said, I talked to Palmer today, and he had a great line, never heard him receive to say this. He said, I hate being covered. I've never heard him say that. We were talking about his craft and his reputation as a route runner,

and he put this at OTA, and he thinks, you know, I mean, separation are his best skills, but they're also the things he thinks he can prove a lot of the most. He just, those are his best skills, but they're also the things he thinks he can prove a lot of the most. Those are his calling cards. And it was funny, at camp today, watching at the end of practice,

him and Josh Allen walked off the field together. They stopped before they got to the sidelines, kind of went face to face and were mimicking some things they've been doing down in a red zone drill. And I asked each of them just kind of what they were talking about. It's just communication stuff, you know, timing, reading body language signals when you're kind of juking around in the end zone while Josh is doing his thing in the backfield.

They were doing a lot of red zone drills today and yeah, that's just, that's what training camp is for. But you flip over to the defensive side of the ball and it's like, holy smokes, like, you know, Max Harrison, their first pick is taking reps with first team you know TJ Sanders who they took with their second pick is getting reps at defensive tackle they took six of their first seven draft pick are defensive players you know then they signed Michael Hoyt then they signed Larry Engelung and Jovi then they signed Joey Bosa so there's a lot of players on board

on the defensive side of the ball. And I was asking Ryan Bean today about that kind of challenge as opposed to the offense, because he was crowing about the continuity on offense. I said, okay, well, how do you get this all into one unit of defense? And ultimately he said, it's just time on task. And that's why especially when you've got

so many new players on the defensive side of the ball keeping them healthy through training camp is important just because you need that time to develop that communication and familiarity and make sure guys know the scheme and all of that so the offensive defensive side of the ball is a very different to the Bills in terms of you know where they were a year ago and what they're hoping to achieve this year and how they're hoping to achieve it. With Dave Naylor and one of the teams they'll play twice of course within their division would be the Miami Dolphins and it was not a good year for them last season and it ended

with controversy Tyreek Hill, you know, he didn't play the last week of the year, then he told reporters I need to change him out of here and all of a sudden he's not out of there and he stays in Miami and two of us spoke on it I believe earlier today if not last night and here's what the quarterback of the Dolphins, his teammate for the last handful of years had to say about Tyreek Hill. I would say we're still continuing to do that but it's not just with me it's with a lot of the guys. I'm not the only one that heard that.

You guys aren't the only people that heard that. You know, a lot of people that follow football, that follow the Miami Dolphins, that follow Tyreek, that are fans of his, everyone has seen that. So when you say something like that, it's, you don't just come back from that with, hey, my bad, you gotta work that relationship up,

you gotta build everything up again, and yeah, it's still a work in progress, not just for me, but for everybody. But like I said, he's working on himself, he's working on the things that he says he wants to get better with and do better on, so that's the first step to me, and so i commend them

uh... for doing that how does this not turn into a disaster for tyrick you're not all all i could be good day is hard not to get the bill did not make a cameo on the show today you know it that there but cameras and cruiser bike and everywhere you look at the right for them

down like they should all pack up and go down to my abby yes i get down there but i want to have a sort of get get down but it will help i mean that i had to really top it over strong comment when you're talking about a quarterback and established starting quarterback in the National Football League, directing comments about, you know, we all can't just say whoops my

bad or you can't just say whoops my bad to the highest paid offensive player besides himself on the team. In fact, I'd have to think about whether he makes more or less than two or right now, but I don't have the flow, but whatever. The point is that, you know, he's one of the highest paid receivers in the league. He's a huge presence in your offense. He's been a bit of an enigmatic character in his career already, and then you have those camp comments hanging out.

I feel like the Bills have the luxury that the Patriots had for 20 years was they could count on five and one or six and oh in the division every year. And of course, Buffalo is historically in this edition of the Bills have been historically great against the Miami Dolphins, including, you know, knocking them out of the division title on the last Sunday of the year, two years ago when they had a three game lead with like five to play. And you know, same thing last year was against the Bills where Tua got knocked out by Damar Hamlin.

And so you throw the Jets into the mix. And I think New England will be better. They might be the second best team in the division this year. But wow, when the rest of your division is imploding or has a history of implosion, it certainly makes the walk through that division a lot easier. And man, setting the tone on July the 23rd with that, of implosion. It certainly makes the walk through that division a lot easier and I

man, I set the tone on July the 23rd with that. Should be an interesting year in Miami. Absolutely with Dave Naylor it's been an interesting year for the Argos. One win so far they had it last week in Montreal and they threw it away late. And now Jack Kelly will not play this Saturday against Winnipeg and he was down in Buffalo. Like what's he doing in Buffalo and what's going on? Like why should we believe he'll even play next week? Well and look the Argos have been kind of slow playing this all along. Like they didn't declare him out for week one until their five days left in camp. Which I mean he hadn't been taking team reps at all. It was pretty obvious.

You know this is an injury that happened in the Eastern final last year. It's like that game would have been played about the middle of November. So it's, I mean, it's a while ago now. And now that you're getting to the start, to the stage of the season where things can be flipping away, I mean, the Argos were a one win team. And yeah, they absolutely gave it away.

That might've been Nick Arbuckle's best game. I mean, it's good news that, you know, Nick Arbuckle played fairly well last year. I mean, they, or last week, excuse me, they own that game through three quarters and all of a sudden like the one thing about Canadian football, when you've got to lead, if your offense stops going, you know, with two downs, it's not like you're burning off three minutes off the clock on every possession. If you go to an app, you know, It's more like you're burning off 45 seconds.

And that's what happened to the Argos last game. It was just to and out, give the ball back, to and out, give the ball back, to and out, give the ball back, basically in the fourth quarter. But back to the Kelly thing, I mean our information on this, as Farhan Lalji had a conversation yesterday

with Ryan Dinwiddie, their head coach, and him and I spoke last night, and the idea was that Chad was going to be at practice today, might get the majority of first team reps, they were waiting on some results from some scans that he was doing and all of a sudden he goes from that to he's not at practice. And I assume it has something to do with the scans or the results of the scans. Again, I'm not up to speed by the hour on this but i know the word is the results from those from some scams they were looking at it

you know what i was told on monday was that tuesday and wednesday we're going to be important days to determine whether chad would be starting this weekend obviously dot and we need to be pros you know bigger questions about you know whether he is going to play here to be ready and whether they are going to still going to be a competitive situation by the time that happens.

Yeah, no kidding. That is, I can already picture where that's going. Like if they keep losing, you know, and the playoffs become further and further away from being a possibility, what do they even do with him? I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. All right, Nailgun, great stuff. Thank you for doing this. Hey, thanks so much for having me, guys. I had a great show.

There's Dave Naylor, our TSN football insider. Again, Chad Kelly not playing this weekend. I'm not sure why you would believe he'll play next week. Like Dave just said, leading up to week one, they were talking about him as a possibility. It seems like he's just not that close. You know, we'll find out. And they need him, clearly, but is it gonna be too far gone? And once he gets back, what can you really expect

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year. A lot of talk on that could John Schneider possibly get some votes AJ Hinch clearly you know is a heavy favorite as it currently stands but it'll be a fun one again tonight dome open place packed tons of energy and it's the only thing going right now because again we just talked about the Argos they've got one win on the season I don't think people are anticipating them doing much the rest of the year Toronto has seen been a mess for years since Javinko left no they brought in the other crop of Italians they didn't do anything and yeah it's been since Javinko

left that's it yeah yeah and Bezbuchenko too, right? Like there's there's a connection I think at the top as well and Chavinko and they had Bradley years like Bradley came in that didn't go well Yeah, that was awkward the way Michael Bradley went out. It's too bad his dad obviously was I was talking about his dad like Michael Bradley was great for them is more it was Bill right Bill Brad Bob yeah, yeah It didn't go well. It did not go well. But it was awkward also because Michael wasn't the same player he was and yet I think there was probably some friction in the room a little bit. The guy's dad's the head coach. It's a professional team. It's got to be a little bit awkward and I'm sure it was. Also we've got our final four now. We're down to our final four, top 25

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