OverDrive - OverDrive - July 23, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jason Strudwick and Frank Corrado for Hour 2 on OverDrive! The guys dive into Connor McDavid's lack of contract negotiations with the Oilers, Stuart Skinner's starting role in Edmonton and how the goaltending landscape will look on the roster. Foul Territory Host and Former MLBer Cameron Maybin joins to discuss the Blue Jays leading the AL East, Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s mentality with the bat and the Yankees' trade additions and they go around the sports in the latest edition of OverDrive Arbitration.

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You're really gonna like this one I can't wait to see how you're gonna answer that's gotta be some 97 stuff right for sure You know what as soon as it's anything if that's what it's all about is yes i think it does decide where is he going right here it's coming up in about a half an hour so you're gonna have to represent because i i got an answer for it like for me it that's very clear-cut i think how i'd answer that here so you can answer will get to that a little bit

later on cameron may have been coming up as for mcdavid like nothing. Not that there's a timeline. They don't play for a couple of months. Obviously camps don't open for like six weeks. But is it like a daily conversation out there? When's he going to sign an extension or what? You know what? It's funny. I don't, you know, I'm a man of the people. I'm out there and mixing it up and I really don't get the question asked very often I think the fact that Leon has signed Leon dry saddle signed already. I think that it I Can't believe that two good buddies wouldn't have talked about what their plans are. So I think that gives comfort to the fans. I

Think that's reasonable. All right, like they're with each other all the time. They're in Ontario all summer. They're up in Muskoka and they're playing here the games and summer. They're up in Muskoka and they're playing men's league games. They're at a wedding together? Yeah, they're doing everything. Warrant Fogel's wedding? Shake it up? Their wives are like best friends. They go way back. They're obviously very tight, but I guess my question to whoever would be, if McDavid signed a three or four year deal, that would give them over 10 years of playing together.

Would DrySight look at that and say, you know what, that's fair. You've kind of met me halfway, even though I took the full eight years, we played together a long time, we gave it a legitimate shot, and you've earned the right to take a shorter term deal and see what else is out there

if you want to at the end of that. And you wouldn't close the door on Edmonton. No, it doesn't. You could just say, like, it's four years and then we'll see. I mean, to be honest, you look at what Matthew's done in Toronto. You know, he's trying to get the most money he can and I respect that and I get that. You don't, when you're an elite player, the only risk is injury. And how often do we see a career injury happen to a career ending injury?

Happened to a player. It's pretty rare. So if you want to maximize it, LeBron James done it. Short term, he just keep maxing it out. So I still feel it'd be a longer deal. If it's only four years, that's still five more years of him. Doesn't mean he can't stay after that. I don't know if it pressures organization.

I mean, Leon's a pretty good player too. He's arguably one of the top three-fourths in the NHL No, I think he absolutely is, you know, I think he's established himself for me as the second best player in the game You know like benefits greatly from playing with McDavid But that's a two-way stream McDavid benefits greatly from playing with him as well. Think about how many assists He's picked up where dry subtle scored in a way that nobody else could score. No one else was going far down from the goal line and he found a way to make it work.

Ultimately if McDavid and when McDavid, because I expect that he will sign an extension there, when that happens, he's got a year left and then let's say it's three or four more years say it's four That's 15 years of his career Like if he signs an extension that solidifies like he is an oiler for life doesn't mean he'll retire there necessarily Maybe he goes somewhere else for four or five years But it's not going to be a scenario where he spends 10 or 11 in Edmonton and 10 or 11 in New York You know and by the end you're like man Maybe he's

more of a ranger because recency bias. Like, that's not going to happen. I don't know what that's worth. I don't know if that matters necessarily to fans or to him, but if you play anywhere for 14 or 15 years, that's your team. That's what you're known for. And I think that's precisely what's going to happen here. Yeah.

You know what? I guess the Edmonton thing boils down to a few things. Does he... He's been there long enough that he would enjoy playing there. We obviously get that. City, fans, experience, all that. That would be fine. Does he see it turning into a revolvingving door where, you know, it's players out, players

in? And I don't think, you know, I don't know, I'm trying to imagine if you're trying to build something, you don't want too much turnover year after year. And we're living in a world where we're going to have less cap casualties now with the cap going up. Does it become a thing where the guys that came in this year are the guys that are going to be there moving forward. That's the group that you're going to be competing with Florida with again year after year.

I think he would want to see that and the goaltending. How have you not done something to say that, listen, we're willing to take a step forward or even take a risk and upgrade in this department because we think that could be the difference for us? They did be the difference for us. Well, they did change the goalie coach. The goalie coach, yeah. I mean, I'm going to see him play this year. No, hopefully not.

But I think just the approach. You look at some of the work that a guy like Sean Burke did with some of the goalies he worked with, and their approach changed and they really kind of found another level. So a coach does make a difference at every position but I think the goalie coach it's so intimate and small tweaks can make a bit different. So I'm interested to see what the new goalie coach can do to tweak Stu Skinner. Yeah and that is like a side element to all of this like the discussion that was more happening on the peripheral but it did seem like when McDavid spoke you know to the media before he took off for the summer he he said you know as

long as and I'm paraphrasing here but as long as I feel I can win here sure I want to be here you know and I don't think you can look at anything that's happened in the off season and say that would make him feel way more confident today than on June 30th. Or way less confident though, Hayes. I don't think it goes the other way either. I'm not saying it's fallen off a cliff. Yeah, exactly. It's not like Dry Cytles demanded a trade and you're like, okay, now we're in one or anything like that.

That hasn't happened, but they have not made huge changes that would lead me to believe they're a better team today than they were a month ago. So is there a chance McDavid is still applying pressure to the front office that, I don't care that you changed the goalie coach, you better go find a new goalie. Out of principle, I'm not signing this until you do something tangibly different with this roster. Like, is that possible that he's going to hold their feet to the fire? A hundred percent, it could be possible.

I'm not in those conversations, but when I look at teams, I always look at centers, D, and then goalie. You know, the centers are elite, obviously. The D, I think, is an elite group as a whole. And now you've got the goalie. And then I think Skinner, he has another level he can get to. We've seen him at high levels, but I think the challenge for him, guys, is consistency. Being consistent at a higher level all the time.

So maybe they said to him, listen, give us a chance with this new goalie coach. He has some ideas, because there's no way you're hiring a coach without talking a new coach about what he can do with the goal center. I would adjust this. I would work on these things. Not just like, hey, man, you look like a nice guy. You've had some success. I think there'd be in-depth conversations with what you can do to help this player.

So that's kind of the... You have to actually do it though. There is something to be said for that study because I've, as being a guy who is shuttled up and down between the Miners and the NHL, I got to see the different staffs sometimes and how they interacted with the players. And the goalie one is always kind of fascinating because if you're a healthy scratch type guy, you actually spend a lot of time with the goalie coach. You do. I'm not even trying to be funny. You just do. 100%. It's like you're going on the ice before. They need volunteers to go shoot some pucks and you see how they interact. Certain goalie coaches have a way of teaching things and

communicating and stopping and slowing things down. I remember one goalie coach being like, put the puck exactly at the same spot you just did and try and score again. Some guys don't do that Some guys don't want to you know mess with the goalies confidence and but are you better for that or worse for that? Like I I kind of I kind of thought the guys that were like no Expose him again expose like do it again. And then those were the goalies that really made a lot of growth So it's just it's just an interesting, like different goalie coaches that I've kind of experienced can get different things or have different connections with those players.

Maybe there is something to it, but I think like Stuart Skinner has showed that his good game is very good. Like we saw that in the Dallas series. And I guess if you're looking around the Oilers, Calgary is still not taking a huge step forward. Vancouver's still a lot of question marks. Vegas is the team that has the chance to make the biggest leap forward because of bringing in Mitch Marner. You still feel confident against Dallas, Winnipeg, Colorado.

There's a lot of good teams, but I guess the only team around them that really, in my mind, took that step forward and said, we're kind of putting more chips in, is Vegas. So Edmonton should feel pretty confident against a lot of those teams, whether it's in the Pacific or the Central. Well, and Strud, you brought this up a lot. Yeah, Marner is a flashy new toy, but there's a reliable toy that's not around anymore, and that's Alex Petrangelo.

Are they actually better? I don't know. I mean is Mitch Marner better than Alex Patrangelo in terms of wins and losses and morale and importance? I'm not sure he is, you know in terms of what the Vegas Gold Knights are going to do come playoff time. And there's video of Mitch you know in his new gear. Someone sent me something from him.

He was skating I think up in Vaughan and you know, in his new gear. Someone sent me something from him. He was skating, I think, up in Vaughan, and he's up in Muskogee. He's working on the new gear, and he's got the gloves and the pants and the helmet. And that's what's coming, man. That's what's coming. Like, Mitch is a Vegas Golden Light. But yeah, I mean, Vegas is a good team anyway,

and Marner obviously is a huge get that is going to make them a very good team, but Patrangelo out is significant. You bring up an interesting point about dealing with athletes in general and how a specific coach like a goalie coach or a pitching coach or an offensive line coach, how much of what their role is going to be about the tactics and actually expecting improvement at a professional level and how much of it is the mental game? Like how much of it is making someone uncomfortable and thinking that you can benefit from that?

And that'll be intriguing when we see what happens in Edmonton in particular if they come back with the same two guys. I think we always anticipated one of them would be back, Skinner or Pickard, probably more likely Pickard in my opinion, that was my viewpoint, that good backup, reliable guy, really like guy. But if they're both back and you just have a new goalie coach and that's kind of what you're promoting, how much can reasonably change from a guy

who's in his mid-20s and is a professional? Is it all mental? It would seem to be if we're talking inconsistencies and, you know, riding the wave that is Stuart Skinner. You know, and Haze, I think you're right about everything you said there, but I think trust is a huge thing. You know, so when Stu Skinner now,

if he truly gives himself up to the new ideas that this goalie coach or any any coach would have with the player and He you have to trust him. There has to be some success. I Worked out the same guy for years. I had the same trainer. I felt great It was working well then I came to Edmonton and there was a different trainer here and his approach was different And I remember he talked to me about him like this is insane. I there's no way I can do this He's like just try it just try it, just try it. And I did.

And it helped my career, I think, last a little bit longer. And I felt better on the ice for sure. So I had, you know, I trusted him, his credentials, what he'd done. But if you don't trust the guy, you don't give themselves up totally to it, I think you're stuck in between what you had done and what you can do. So I think any coach has to get the trust. This is the same for a head coach, but I think it's more intimate, Frankie, when it's a goalie coach, a strength coach, a skating coach, where it's more one-on-one rather than

team driven like a head coach. Yeah. No, for sure. And I actually didn't know that you started the Pilates and hot yoga trend in the NHL. I didn't know that was you. I did actually. Someone had to be the trailblazer. Yeah. That was part of it for sure. The hot yoga, it helped me so much. You were doing recovery days before they were trendy.

No, for sure. It's different when you get older. When you're younger than your child, your recovery days are just sleeping it off. But as you get older, you start sweating it out, and you're doing yoga. I know now guys do it all the time so I'm not reinventing the wheel, but I was one of the first guys who was doing yoga and it felt so good and I think it extended my injuries for sure. It was because you can only lift so much and get so big.

There are certain guys... Oh, 100%. No, but it used to drive me nuts because some guys were like, I can't lift anymore. I'm already too bulky. I'm like, I'm a wet noodle and I try and lift as much as I can and I'll never get that way. One thing that maybe, I don't know how you feel about this story that might be overlooked with Edmonton is goalie coach coming in, that's great. What about the power play coach leaving?

That power play has been very innovative the last few years. And now Glenn Gullitzen is moving on and he's going to, is he going to Dallas? He's going to Dallas. Yeah, he's going to Dallas. Yeah, Gulli's in Dallas. He's back to Dallas. Yeah, he is. And so now, like it's one thing to have all the, it's one thing to have all the toys,

but you have to know how to use the toys. And I think Gulli did a really good job of that. So whoever's going to step in and take over that position, eventually I think it will get there but it might be a little bit of a work in progress in understanding just how to utilize everyone properly where Gully, like that was a well oiled machine. Yeah, so it's a fresh set of eyes. So you're going in there but you've got to get the respect of those guys. I don't think it's trust so much with a power play like that.

They've been amazing. That power play has been the best one for the last six, seven years. You have to get the respect of them and they have to believe in what you're trying to sell them on doing, which might be a small change. You're not going to all of a sudden put... Pretty good players to deal with. And then, can you get to have two power play units like all those types of things So this isn't easy for who you know for?

The new power play coach is gonna be tricky because that those guys will see right through you if they don't think it's gonna work Like no that doesn't work. Like they're not gonna they know what they've done They've been the best and argue there's been times where they've coached each other and coach themselves up Yeah, it kind of it's almost like an SNL skit like the new the new power play coach goes in and tries to be a hero and yeah Tells McDavid, you know, like I don't want you circling back and using speed anymore I need you stopping up at the far blue line and I just to see the reaction You're the great way to break the ice. Yeah, all of a sudden he's the stretch guy. Yeah, you're the stretch guy. I need you as a decoy.

Yeah, that'd actually be a great way to break the ice. Go in there, just first day, run that tape, and just see what the reactions are, and then be like, obviously I'm joking. The good thing there is you'll go to those guys and be like, what do you like that works? And start with that, and kind of show a little, maybe respect is the wrong word, but show a little bit respect is the wrong

word but say show a little respect to what they were doing in the past and say we're gonna we're gonna continue with what works and if I see anything that I think could could tweak and maybe help us will implement that but you don't have to reinvent the wheel there man no I think that one is kind of whatever try to figure what gullets and was doing, you know, basically plagiarize It's worked so well in the past Alright, we think we're gonna catch up with Cameron may even get his tape take on Jay's Yankees tonight his take on Vlad E And you know power over just production like three singles last night

But it does seem like everyone's kind on the edge of their seats and when is the power gonna arrive for Vlad E? Jeff Hoffman gives up his 10th home run on the season last night. What's that like if you're in the clubhouse and you got a closer that's prone to doing that? He's done it a lot this year. So catch up with Cameron Maybin. We'll get to arbitration a little bit later this afternoon. Richard Griffin coming up as well. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 2. Claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament. I've been visualizing my match all week. She was so focused on visualizing

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auto service ace, certain conditions apply. All right arbitration a little bit later this afternoon Richard Griffin on Jay's Yankees tonight. Game three of the series. Listen it was it was a gritty performance by the Jays last night but equally as greedy by the Yankees. Ben Rice ends up hitting a home run last night in the ninth. That's the tenth home run Hoffman's given up this year. Jays lose 5-4. That ends their streak of 11 straight home wins, which dates back to last month. But you still have an opportunity to win the series tonight. You obviously swept the Yankees a couple weeks ago in four straight down at the Dome before

you head off to Detroit tomorrow So a big one this evening Bassett on the mound for the Jays Max freed on the mound for the Yankees Here's a guy who knows the Yankees well knows baseball incredibly well from foul territory long time MLB or himself joining still the Maple Toyota hotline. Here's Cameron Mabin. How you doing Cameron? Guys I woke up today Cameron Maven. How you doing, Cameron? Guys, I woke up today with one more family member. I had an addition.

My wife just gave birth to our fourth kid. So it's been a good day. And I get to talk a little baseball. So that's the only reason I'm not on the Zoom right now because the service at the hospital has been a little shoddy, you know, as normally it is at an airport, hospitals. I'm sure if you've been around a correctional facility, school, you know how it goes.

I love it. Wow. Well we are, for starters, congratulations to you and the whole family. That's amazing. What a pro. Thank you. And that is awesome that you're still willing to come on with us. You obviously love baseball, man.

It's a beautiful thing. We love that you're you're finding time for us thank you so much and can the word out better man my wife is napping i did a little foul territory ever so earlier i cannot live in a place worth a lot of family members a lot of help and you know it's like that first year it would never happen for it to be like go go go go go go go go go go talk baseball we're good just make sure your ass is back here in a little bit.

I love it. That's exactly what it is. It's good. It's perfect. That's beautiful. Strud you can attest to that. You got a lot of kids out there. You know what it's like right?

Early on it's like okay get to three four it's a very different story. Where are they? Where is he? Like I don't know where the third or fourth one is. So yeah I said congrats. Crazy. That's incredible. Well, we're excited up here in Toronto, obviously, because of the way the Jays have been playing.

And they end up obviously losing last night. The Yankees, they hit a lot of home runs. They hit three last night. But I guess we'll begin with just the general question of your perception of the Jays and how much it's changed today compared to a month ago, two, three months ago, how good do you think these blue J's really are? You know what? I've talked about it probably about a week or two ago, and one thing I'm big on and always,

you know, since I've been in the media side, I stand on this. You know, I say there's no staff or character in chemistry. And I think it's, you know, undoubtedly so that the talent has been there when you talk about the Blue Jays and honestly them trying. I mean, I think if you look at the history of them the last few years, they went out and they tried to get arms. They tried to add bullpen pieces. They've got young, amazing prospects.

But this is the first year and probably the last four to five years and going back to like Te Oskar, Lordis Guriel, some of those key pieces that I think they undervalued the character and the chemistry that they have with the team. This is the first team, first time in a while where they look together. Like guys genuinely look like they want to see their teammate succeed as much as themself. And that's something that there's no staff for. So that's one thing that I really do like. And then you factor in the talent.

And then my guy, you know, George Springer is having a resurgent year this year, which I'm so happy for him because he's a constant professional. I know he, you know, the last few years probably haven't been what George wants, but I know he's always gonna stand in front of the mic, stand in front of his locker, you know, the last few years probably haven't been with George once, but I know he's always going to stand in front of the mic, stand in front of his locker, you know, answer questions like a pro. And now

he's getting rewarded for, you know, the professional that he is. You know, it's good to see these guys, you know, Bo and Vlady, you know, they're going to do what they're going to do. And I still don't believe they got hot yet. And I love the young pieces around them. But like anything else, you know, I think they need one more reliable, you know starter You know, I love match Max Scherzer. I love his competitive fortitude. I know he's dealing with some yeah I've been dealing with some nerve stuff, but at the end of the day Father time catches up with everybody, you know, and the stuff just isn't what it used to be And you can just tell you can just see that bashing guys and he picked well

They got to they compete it yesterday competed which I love the effort But I think they need one more starting piece in the course I mean we can be captain obvious and say everybody needs bullpen help, right? You know, especially talked about how often given up his pence, you know Homer, you know They've been in that back end road that that can't continue to happen So, you know back end pieces that I would love to see like a Freddie Peralta. I don't know if the Milwaukee Brewers are going anywhere right now,

because I think they're looking like they can win that division, but there's some guys out there. You know, Sandy Alcantara, Seth Lugo has been great. Can they get something that owes that galleon? So there's some things, I like what I'm seeing overall. Right now, it's the huge series and they're playing well. Cameron, you touched on some of the vets and what you've seen from them. Of the younger

players or the kind of less tenored MLB players on the Blue Jays, which one do you think has the greatest upside short and long term? I'm sorry, you again, again, that hospital, that hospital, Wi-Fi cut out for only for a second. Say that again? Yeah, just young players on the Blue Jays that are, you know, that have haven't been in the league for a long time, which ones do you think have the biggest upside? Well, I'm going to tell you who I fell in love with watching his approach. And it's just so effortless is Loper Cito.

First off, I'm a fan of the big athlete, six, two, two, 15, two, 20. But man, his at that just he's a guy that just screams, give him, get him at that. You know what I mean? It's just it's something about him, something that's quietly just dangerous that I really like, especially in that new ballpark with the dimensions that are there. I love the way Loper Fido swings the bat. I really, really do. Yeah, that's, that's a good one, man. Addison bargers getting a lot of love up here. Like he had a couple of big hits.

And he's amazing. And according to his teammates, when you listen to interviews, I look, I'm going to do my homework on all of these things It's just a elite because I think it's one of the more fun divisions to cover and baseball But what the thing you hear about him is just his personality like glue guys matter, right? Like so, you know not undervaluing those type of guys, you know, but again, he's been great and everybody talks about him So I want to mention the guy that I think quietly, and again, maybe I'm wrong, but I just something about Lover Fido, man.

I like it. Yeah. How much love do you think John Schneider should be getting for AL manager of the year? I mean, why not? I mean, you look at how the Yankees started off and most of us baseball people know that it's a marathon and not a sprint. And he's quietly just taking so much back over the years. And, uh, you know, I'm a fan.

I'm a little bit biased, you know, his brother's spots in my travel ball organization, Emory glove company. So let me give them a plug, but I'm a fan of Josh. And I like them because, but you know, I always talk about this. I always talk about this. That goes another thing that goes unseen. You guys are hockey guys and you guys played on teams and you guys know at the end of the day,

when you wake up before you leave to go to the arena, it matters when you have a manager, a coach, somebody that you're like, dude, I can't wait to go play for that guy. Like that guy's got my back, he's gonna communicate, he's gonna keep it as honest as he possibly can. And it seems like the guys enjoy playing for enjoyed platform i think that's the reason why you feel there right now

i think you're absolutely right you know he's he's obviously got everyone kind of moving in the right direction it's over positive right now around this team with cameron may been uh... that's for the you know the flight grow story you mentioned a bloody about they have really taken off yet bozeman like very very clutch all season is numbers have been great with runners in scoring position. And Vlad, last night's a great example of what we keep talking about up here. He had three singles.

You know his approach at the plate is going to be very professional. He's going to work the count. He's going to force you to get him out. Yet, he's got 13 home runs on the year. And he had a great opportunity early in the game last night Base is loaded. He goes and chases a pitch and Like I'm curious how you evaluate Vlad E like from your perspective as a baseball player, you know

The value of hitting for for average and getting on base but also Pairing that from a perspective of you make so much money and you know You're capable of being more aggressive and hit for more power like how do you view what what Vlad represents and what he should be doing moving forward yeah it's a great question and and honestly you know I got I'm gonna give you my opinion is a lot of different ways you can look at it but but one way I look at it is this is a couple ways couple ways guys can go and they get that much money. They can either check out, they can get really complacent

and I always, I call it the cool really sets in, right? Instead of leaving the cool shit at the door before you come in the room. Like being cool when we grew up was like kicking somebody's butt, you know? So a couple things you have, you can either really complacent or some ego can say, okay, some pride can say,

hey, I wanna earn this contract. And when you watch Vladdy, one thing you see him continue to do is compete his butt off, right? And this is what we can't remember. It's not his fault, but it is his fault in the extent that he got paid all that money,

maybe it's some other sort of fault. Baseball is really freaking hard, right? So with that said, also too, I think you gotta look at it like this. Yes, you would love to see Vlad E. carrying the whole freight, right? Of course you would, and he's getting paid to do that. But the position that they're in,

I need Vlad E. One, we need to get to October, and then that's when I need all that money to show up. Right? Like now we're in a point where you got your money, that's fine. Now we do need you to do some things that's going to help us get into October. But now when we get to October, like you, you say, and if you,

and I want to, you know, this is talking Blue Jays, but I want to bring up Yankees. You saw how disappointed the Yankees fans were in Aaron Judge. And nobody talked about the regular season. They're like, yo, what about the postseason my guy? You know what I mean? So I think there comes a point where with this laddie deal It's hey, yes Do what you need to do to get us there if it's not 40 and 100 and we get there now

I need that type of production in the playoff. I need that special type of contract Production, you know, so that's how I look at it when it comes to a guy who's got his money You know what I mean? Let's get there. But when we get there now, we need you to show up and show out is money. You know what I mean? Let's get there. But when we get there, now we need you to show up and show out. Recently, the Jays have had a really good success against the Yankees. So what have you seen from the Yankees that they haven't been doing or been unable to do versus the Jays?

Well, listen, it's a little bit and a lot of the same old things we've seen from the Yankees. We saw it last last night they win games via the homer They still have a tough time manufacturing run They don't play the best defense at times This is probably the most suspect even when you talk about Rodin and free how good they've been That their rotation has been you know you got young guys in New York learning at the degree level That's hard to do. You know I don't care how good you're doing in AAA, how good the stuff is, it's a different beast than the ALEs. And I just think you're seeing, I think right

now is when you're going to see some teams' holes really start to show up, right? So I think the Yankees, you're hearing about them being all in, or you're hearing about Suarez, I think they understand that Glove may not be the best, but that bad plays. So again, they've got holes, and this is also too why it's important, and it goes back to I know it's a marathon out of sprint, but it also gets fast really late, and it's also important to start off really hot, you know what I mean? And now the Yankees are where they still are even with the baseball they play It had been a little bit of a lull out west for the Dodgers three and seven in their last ten But all of a sudden show Hayes now hit home runs in five straight games

Like is that one of those things with that team where it's just you know kind of wake me up at a certain point Of the season and then we'll turn things on and then we'll be ready to go Yeah, you couldn't you couldn't have said it better. I talked about this earlier, it's a buddy of mine, we talked about the Dodgers are struggling and they've got like 16, 15 guys on the 60 day and this and that. And it's like if you look at it, you can look at it a lot of ways. Some guys on the 60 day but they should be coming back when the Dodgers need them. And it's kind of the same example for the Dodgers. Now at this point, like the Dodgers yesterday want to be, you know, win the division.

Of course, everybody wants to win the division. But again, they're looking at, you know, the bigger picture. We just need to get in to October with what we do have glass now starting today. Right. So, OK, here here comes the, you know, acquisition at the trade line right now glass now is I mean excuse me yeah glass now is working excuse me snails working his way back Suzuki's working his way back you guys guys working their way back so the Dodgers are just for me and again they're still in first place like we talked about how bad every man is still I think three games up in the division so for me they're just they're just a team that

just they're just a team that just, they're just trend water, like you said. Just get us to where we need to be, and hopefully all that money we spent, you know, shows it's beautiful faith. Yeah, well it's interesting, like even Dave Roberts said, he hopes this is rock bottom for the Dodgers. Absolutely.

You know, he admitted it's ugly. It's like, and he's talking about the fundamentals. They're just playing some stupid baseball that you know that's got to bother a manager, especially a winning manager, when he knows where you're capable of. When the manager's saying, this is ugly, he's got to be saying it way worse and way louder with way more swearing in the background of the players, right?

Absolutely. And then let's remember too, With way more swearing in the background of the players, right? Absolutely, and then and then let's remember to Mookie Betts is probably having the worst season of his career right now, right? Yeah, that's big. That is significant That's huge exactly like that's huge so getting this is rock bottom I mean teams you say we're at rock bottom and we're still three games up in on the division I mean, it's a good place to be that we will you know what we think we get the back of a ballpark i mean usually pay after and then they have struggled with his injury uh... you know i mean

but usually you expect those guys to show up when it counts and i think that that that about you know the dot is looking at absolutely as they should be his camera may have a long time and be a you can catch a month foul territory uh... it's great catching up with us and again congrats to you the family everyone hopefully everyone's happy healthy and all that makes it home safe thanks for doing this camera appreciated thank you guys making killing it though that we can you have no always you got it camera and that's awesome status

wife just as four or child fourth kid Yeah, it's coming on talking about Joey Lou profito After a fourth kid like he knows what happened in the game. Yeah, he's like, yeah, man They hit homers. That's what they do. They sue like with you four kids When do you sleep did like do you just not sleep for ten years of your life or what or like I don't get that I've only got three and I could say those first five years Like we had three and 22 months and like it's it just it was just I don't remember anything My man, my buddy's saying do you want to go out? No, I don't. I just want to sleep

I don't know when I'm gonna get to sleep. I'm gonna try to get a few hours in here, but four. Oh man That's a lot to deal with Yeah, we're we're we're like grinding We have the twins and we're grinding in like the 16 month kind of sleep regression thing right now Where we thought we had a good groove going and now they just wake up at like one Quarter to one and they don't go back down to like four and there's nothing you can do you rock them you change them you do this you do That I'm like you're gonna do that four times Oh absolutely and and I hate to be the one that's telling you this Frankie

But that stage you're in might go on for like two or three years Yeah, you know what I mean where they just wake up and it's like oh, man Come on like what are we doing here because Because the sleeping, you just don't know. Like some kids sleep all night, some kids just wake up, some are soft sleepers, deep sleepers. Yeah, that's gotta be something, man. Like you gotta see the operation we have right now. Like we're trying to get like the temperature control

in the bedroom perfect, the humidity's gotta be on the Dyson perfect, and then like sometimes I'll wake up and I'll see it's like, oh my God, it's down to 72 in there. I gotta turn the AC off, because it's gotta get up to 74, because if it gets to 71, someone's waking up. Like it's crazy what's going on.

And you think anyone did that for us growing up? It was just like, put the kid in the room and let the kid sleep. There was nothing like it at all obviously in our generation when we were growing up. But the most amazing thing and we've all experienced this is when you get blamed for the kid waking up and it's like what did I do? I was downstairs and TV's too loud or you know you open something that had a little bit of a sound and TV's too loud or you know, you open something that had a little bit of a sound and that's what woke them up. The crunch on that salt and vinegar. That's a big one.

The bag, the chips, like if you eat chips obnoxiously loud and one of the kids wakes up you are going to hear about that like 100%. Where's your position on white noise? We have fans in the kids' room and we used to take them everywhere. I always stepped with the fan in my room just to kind of just... I don't know, just to kind of something to dull the noise. We did it. Our kids can literally sleep anywhere.

They are... We'll drop them in and we put the fan. They're out. My oldest son is like, I barely got the fan. It's like a teaser. Bang, he's out. That's perfect. The white noise, man noise many they want to get into a fat is that nice to have a lot of like that i did not we got the white noise don't worry

it's okay that the volume lead up level has to be a forty one on the white noise if it gets up to forty four to go down to thirty eight it's not working exact science it's an exit it's crazy what's happening on these kind of things it's not working. It's an exact science. It's crazy what's going on here. You have to know these kind of things. It's crazy. Okay. Yeah. All right. I love the white noise though. I like it. I'm a huge proponent of a white noise personally man. I can rock a white noise with the best of them. Richard Griffin coming up. Arbitration

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i don't you play this before either you guys strutty first time first i have very this is very very important stuff i this is hard-hitting basically journalism certainly hard-hitting analysis we expect you to take it very seriously um... so there's gonna be scenarios that play out you can either take it or leave it alright it's not it's not overly complicated so I don't think I really have to flush this out too much

you guys ready to go here good to go let's go let's begin here with an oilers one. This one's for you strutting But I'm gonna answer it too. I have a very clear-cut answer on this. I'm curious how you stand and Frankie The oilers step into arbitration and they are awarded a Stanley Cup next season But it's McDavid will be leaving in free agency right afterwards. Do you take it or leave it? man, I leaving in free agency right afterwards. Do you take it or leave it? I would take it. I would take it. And on the way out you thank him for everything he's done. One of the greatest orders of all time. And thanks for what you've done. We're sad to see you leave, but you did what you set out to do, so thank you.

I hope this doesn't skew your answer, Hayes, but I would also take it if I was the Edmonton Oilers because I think the worry is with a lot of these things, your star player is leaving. Are you ever going to win without your star player? Well, the Oilers would have won a Stanley Cup and they're still going to have a top five player in the NHL, Leon Dreisaitl, and one of the better offensive defensemen in the league in Evan Bouchard. So there's still the entertainment value, the business, economics of it and still a very good team. And it's, Stratty's right.

You would thank Conor McDavid for everything he did, service to the organization, bring another Stanley Cup and on you go. And I think people would be able to live with that because you delivered on what you set out to do. Yeah you take this ten days out of ten man you do not mess with a Stanley Cup right like as much as you love any individual player you always put the team success first and you take advantage if you if you can like if you have it I would apply the same thing to the Maple Leafs they standing up but everyone leaves in the worst human elite for the next ten years take it

thank you like just win one it's so tough to do uh... you know that everything is is so fickle and you know some could get injured next year and so you know like you just there's no guarantees you get the chance to win Yes, it would kind of suck It wouldn't be exactly like kawaii winning and leaving because you know McDavid had been there for a decade obviously by then

But you take it man like there's nothing there'd be nothing better than that just to see McDavid win bring it back to Edmonton Fulfill that prophecy you know and you let bygones be bygones like you said. Thanks for everything. See you later. It's all good. You take that every day of the week. All right. Austin Matthews steps into arbitration. He is offered or awarded 45 goals next season. Does he take it or leave it? I guess we were talking about this the other day and I was like, ah, I think Mitch Marner is more likely to hit 100 points than Austinon Matthews is to hit 50 goals. I still would leave it if I'm Auston Matthews.

Just because I think Marner is more likely to hit 100 points, that doesn't mean Auston Matthews should just say, I'm willing to take 45 goals. He's arguably the best goal scorer in the game. He has been. From the time he stepped into the league to now, he has been the best goal scorer in the game. He has been from the time he stepped into the league to now. He has been the best goal scorer, especially at five on five. Even though he doesn't have Mitch Marner, he can be a different type of goal scorer this year. He can prove that he can do it differently where it's not necessarily camping out in the higher ice waiting for Marner to thread something to him.

He can be the one that is a little more of a self-driven goal scorer. So 45 is by his standards maybe on the lower side, although it would be an upgrade considering what he had last year. I still think Austin Matthews has his sights set on scoring more than 45 even without Mitch Marner. Sprinting up to take this. I'm blowing my hamstring out to get this if I'm Austin Matthews. Marner's not going to be there.

I'm still not sure who's going to be playing in his spot. Maybe you two guys have a crystal ball. No, no one really knows right now. Many names bandied about. So it's a little bit harder. Now you've got Nyes on the other side. Yeah, Nyes is a good player. He's not the same as Marner. So he's not going to be fine in the puck out to him all the time. So I think it'd be a little harder. The power play, another situation where Marner was massively involved in that. So now,

who's running all that back there? Is it Morgan Reilly who has run a power play before? So I think there's so many wild cards right now. I don't know what it's gonna look like. I'm sprinting to take those 45 and put them in my man person. I think there's so many wild cards right now, I don't know what it's going to look like. I'm sprinting to take those 45 and put them in my man purse as I walk out of there. Listen, 45 is a lot of goals, man. And 45 would likely indicate he's healthy, right? Like likely indicate. He played 75 games and was healthy. And there's definitely a bonus in that. But I'm leaving it because I lean more towards the mentality that Frankie was pointing to.

He is the best goal scorer in the game. And prior to last year, it was not close. He had 69 the year before. You adjust for errors. That was one of the four or five greatest goal scoring seasons of all time. He's 27 28 I'm I'm putting it on the line that he can blow past that you know I'm putting it on the line and putting on his shoulders saying you know 45 would be Almost a concession which is crazy, and it speaks to how great he is at goal scoring and no question

There's got to be some fear there fear of the unknown not having Marner first time in his career won't have him right didn't play with him every shift of his career but first time in nine seasons Marner will not be around where if you get into a slump it was always throw Marner with them get him out of it let's see what goes here that that that is not available anymore but he's still in his prime you know the equivalent with let's say mcdavid would be like would you take a hundred and ten points right now i wouldn't i'd let him try to chase one forty or one fifty maybe we'll get it

but i'm not i'm not putting a muzzle on the best point getter in the league i'm not putting a muzzle on the best goal scorer in the league i'll let them go chase more the the the marner thing is interesting because remember when Babcock was the coach, it was Matthews Nylander. Marner was basically attached to Tavares. He didn't have Matthews and Marner together very often. And in those years, so to start, Matthews went 40-82, 34- 62, 37 and 68, and then the year that Keef took over, 47 and 70.

The first year that Keef was like, you know, starting from scratch, I guess, was the bubble year, the 52 game year. 41 and 52 that year, 60 and 73 the year after, then he has the down year with 40, and then 69 and 81. So I think the Marner thing is going to be very real. And I think part of that is Matthews got older, got stronger, figured out the league, figured out how to score, but it does coincide with him playing with Mitch Marner. But to your point, Hayes, if you're the best, you're the best. Like, Ovi just had an unbelievable year with Dylan Strom.

Actually an unbelievable year and a half scoring goals because the second half of two years ago it wasn't Backstrom that was feeding him. So I think there's something to be said for this guy being able to do it not on his own but without Mitch Marner. And he still was fairly successful as a younger player with Nylander basically on his side most of the time Yep, for sure. Okay moving on here Scotty Scheffler steps into the arbitration room And he is awarded the US Open next year which will complete the career Grand Slam But in doing so he will not win any other majors the rest of his career does

he take it or leave it a hundred percent takes it he doesn't care winning another masters or a PGA or an open he's done it he did it doesn't do it for him anymore maybe maybe just to finish the slam and say I accomplished that and then spend some time at home and and find your purpose in life like he kinda laid it all on the line i don't think winning four five six of the same major is something that he really cares about i'm with you i think you take it my concern for scott i've wasted here before i think that like we've seen

other players rory and jordan spieth he drops off after he accomplishes that so Tiger was unique why are differently than all these other guys and I think that he will get it and he will drop off like yeah I've seen before that's the that's what it comes like I think Scheffler would take that you know I think he'd be like I'll take the US Open that's five majors career slam a couple

of players all this money all this adulation you win the career slam that launches you into a top 10 12 15 player all time but you know like the I would like to believe the competitor like I guess I put myself in his shoes which is clearly impossible but you're at the height of your game like you're you're crushing everybody else it's kind of like just said about matthews like i i i would leave it because i wouldn't want to just and the journey there like he's he's even without this being awarded to his probably go when the u.s. open anyway

and i would have asked is before he gets there and maybe the pga and all of a sudden you talk in seven eight majors and then you're talking about a guy that maybe can get into the top five all time you know could be a mount rushmore golfer get out of the matters to him i don't i wouldn't want to just accept i'm getting the the one the fifth the very important one

u.s. open career slam close the loop all that kind of stuff matters a lot but i it just feels like it's almost inevitable that he's going to do that anyway so why not just tackled for masters and more PGA's and more open championships, try to get the double digits and just keep building on this incredible legacy you already have. More arbitration into the next hour. Richard Griffin will join us.

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