OverDrive - OverDrive - July 24, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Frank Corrado and Dave Feschuk for Hour 2 on OverDrive! The guys dive into the Blue Jays' series against the Tigers, the prospects that could be dealt at the trade deadline and possible packages for a bullpen arm. TSN Senior Correspondent Rick Westhead joins to discuss the Hockey Canada sexual assault case, the players found not guilty and the credibility of the complainant in the case.

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Reusable bag that I've had for ten years. He used to house a t-shirt. Yes. I've seen this thing It's a joke like I am shopping bag that I've had for 10 years. It used to house a t-shirt. Yes. I've seen this thing. It's a joke. Like I am- A shopping bag. Yeah, it's a shopping bag, which is admittedly ridiculous and immature and embarrassing.

And there's no rhyme or reason for me not to have a better work bag. Yeah, old dog's walking around with a classy briefcase. Yes, he has a briefcase that is like a very expensive briefcase that he invested in. Now it's also probably sitting down in his like dressing room and hasn't been touched in three years. Oh 100%. Yeah, wide open and then you know there's sandwiches in there

it's a disaster. But he did when he became a professional broadcaster he invested in that. Right. He's like optics are important I think I need a work bag that actually makes me look as if I'm professional. Not a knapsack, not a side bag. He went like old school briefcase. Click open. And I think it was a premium brand, which I didn't realize premium clothing brands really were diving into that area of...

Like a Louis Vuitton. Yeah, it was something like that. It was like a Louis Vuitton. Yeah, it was something like that. It was like a Louis Vuitton briefcase. Like, okay, all right. So he found a Louis Vuitton briefcase and he bought it and he has it. I have an old school Lululemon reusable garbage bag, but it works for me,

because I don't have much in there. And I'll throw a couple of granola bars in there and then I have my IFB and I've got all my headphones and all that. So I'm always in my one car. My wife and I switched the other day. She took my car, her and the kids were going up north and I forgot to make the flip back in. So I don't have my headphones. I get in here'm using studio headphones and I have no idea where they came from. I have no idea whose ears have been using them in the past. Did he sanitize those? Yeah, JP to his credit is a world-class sanitizer. Okay. But it just

doesn't quite feel that comfortable. I feel a little bit off and using somebody else's earphone. Anything that's been sitting around here is kind of suspect. Like the, I guess since COVID, the cleaning crew has been pretty detailed in what they do around here. But for some reason,

this room gets like the once over every once in a while. I was doing a tour in here for some people from Special Olympics, Ontario the other day. And I was like, here it is. Here's the Overdrive studio and they loved it. They oohed and ahed. They're like, oh, Hazy B sits there. That's cool taking pictures.

And they started looking around like, just something little gritty about this room. Yeah, I mean, we've got, you know, for the cameras, for people watching on TV, YouTube or whatever, like it really does pop. But the behind the camera stuff leaves something to the imagination. And anything that's in these like we have drawers back here. And that's in there. That's where my headphones. Yeah. So I've seen JP, but like, you know, the white ones, not these ones, but the iPhone white ones like like Fez. Yeah, that's what

I generally I've seen those sitting in here with like a mountain of earwax on them see that is why I didn't need to hear that like that that's my concern man is that like Jay I relied on JP and I should have done it myself I don't know why JP felt the obligation to come in here he had no obligation to do it completely out of his like job description or jurisdiction meanwhile he, he's just a great guy. JP hooked me up. Or he jammed me up and told me that he actually didn't do anything. There's possible... Payback for going to break late all the time.

Yeah, exactly. Like when we go to break... We should break and I'm like, get out of here JP. He's like, I'll get this guy back. He starts like this JP. And then it's like, we're 30 seconds past a little bigger and then we're a minute, we gotta go. We gotta go. Now I can claim I can't hear you, JP. That's right.

Right, bad headphones. Is earwax in the headphones? Exactly. Would you rather wear the earwax, like earbuds or put on the earmuffs? Well, I just, the earmuffs I haven't worn in so long, that makes me feel more out of place. And I get the audience is probably listening saying, dude, who cares?

I get it. It's not, it's more just, this is what I'm used to now. Yeah. So anyway, it's all good. Yeah, but you can't wear the, you can't go back to the ear muffs because isn't that what you were wearing and like that original picture? Yeah, the original Brutal Pick. The white collared shirt.

Yes. And other Brutal Picks. It was earmuffs it is like PTSD for that like I see the earmuffs and I'm like it's just a bad vibe no 12 13 years ago I don't need it so anyway Jase Tigers tonight and got Eric Lauer on the mound Eric Lauer I fully expected pretty good outing and you need it right because the bullpen I wouldn't say the bullpen got taxed you know against the Yankees but no days off you're coming

on coming out of the break but you get three against the Giants three against the Yankees now four against the Tigers and it's a really significant series against a very good team and if you tax your bullpen tonight then you're in one for the rest of the weekend so it is kind of fascinating that that's just the way baseball works every fifth day someone else is going up but here you got a guy in Eric Lauer where I expect him to perform well gets the very potent lineup but also I think you can give him five or six innings which may be as meaningful as the production in general. Huge yeah you're right like you kind of saw it

last night with Bassett wanting to go deeper yeah you know than he otherwise might have because it's like a team thing where it's like, I know this bullpen's been taxed. I know that we could use a day where we do not lean on every guy down there and give somebody a rest down there. And so you're right, the deeper you can go, the better it's gonna be for everybody. But let's face it here, we're, what are we now?

Eight days away, no, seven days away. We're a week away. Exactly. Trade deadline. From a day you assume the Blue Jays are gonna be bringing some reinforcements for that bullpen. Yeah, I think, you know, especially coming out of the start that they've had, like we talked a lot about this before the All-Star break or during the All-Star break,

like what are you gonna show your team? What are you gonna show your team or show your you gonna show your team, or show your manager, about how serious you are about pursuing something special here? You come out and you sweep the Giants, you take two or three out of the Yankees. They would have been bullish anyway, like even if they lost the series against the Giants lost.

I think even if they were two and six coming out of the, or two and four coming out of the break, they'd still be pretty bullish, but they're not. Like they're in a really good position and I think a starter is very likely to be something they're going to attack how much talent that player has you know how much term they have on their deal you look they love team control and cost certainty and all that kind of stuff I don't know if that's gonna jive in terms of what they have that's available to them and what

they're willing to give up in order to go get it. But for me, I think they, and I've said this for weeks, they need at least one high-end bullpen arm. You need to be able to pencil someone in, come play off time. You look at that guy and say, that guy can give me three outs. Like, I know he can give me three outs. And I know, maybe he can give me four. Like, maybe he can close the eighth and close the game down in the ninth or a big high

leverage situation he's playing you know judges coming up I know I can rely on this guy because I don't love the idea getting to the playoffs and Hoffman is the guy you know like they the guy at the top yeah I think if you can knock him down yeah he's gonna be a part of this and and for the most part he's been good at prone to giving up a lot of home runs clearly but Hoffman's gonna be a part of this and and for the most part he's been good He's probably giving up a lot of home runs clearly but Hoffman's gonna be a part of it and Rodriguez been really really good But give me give me a guy even above that in the bullpen Yeah, that's really gonna send a message I think to your team because as much as like we talked about Bassett last night wanting to go deep and there's a

willingness for the Jays rotation to want to do that and have the ability to do that But you know come playoff time you're gonna get into a situation where in a one game for the Jays rotation to want to do that and have the ability to do that, but you know come playoff time, you're gonna get into a situation where in a one game, if your starter kind of gets shaky in the fourth, fifth inning, you're gonna need to know that you have someone that can give you a couple innings and give you a chance to win

and not force feed someone into that situation. So you're right on the reliever and also for the starter and for like the trade deadline is the opportunity for the Jays as opposed to the off season. Because in the off season, everyone's got the money and it's the pitches. Like here's the pitch for my team, come join us. But trade deadline, it's like we have capital to give up

and we're gonna try and attack something. And it doesn't have to be the biggest name but it has to be a purposeful player, which I will say like they, that's probably pretty likely for this, this management group to do something purposeful. Yeah. And again, what are they willing to give up on their own roster? Right. Like that's a big topic of discussion.

Al's brother was stirring the pot earlier this afternoon and said, would you throw out us some barger out there? And like barger has been so good. He's young inexperienced But he's been so good yet that would take serious serious courage to put him out there and He's created a lot of value for himself though Mm-hmm like if you're if your other teams and You're looking at scenarios

where you think maybe you've dipped for a season and you want to get back at it next year, Barger would hold immense, immense value, right? Like if you're one of the worst teams in the league, if you're Colorado and you're making a deal, then you're looking at guys that are in single A, double A, guys that are 19, 20, 21 and think, I have two, three, four years.

I'm willing to wait for that player to develop. But if you're a team that's just had a down year this year. Like the Blue Jays felt they were last year. Exactly, exactly. If you're, if you're, and that's kind of what they were doing. Like we'll take Lou Profita, we'll take Will Wagner who are ready, we think can play. That's what Barger represents this year.

You're right. For a team like Arizona, let's say, who I think next year would think we want to get back at it. Like we think we can get right back at it. And man that's gonna take some courage to flip a guy like that it would take huge courage and it would also be a massive risk, right because What's happened here with this sort of band of brothers? Next man up everybody's contributing. Nobody's carrying this team. It's a it's a group effort What that's built is this incredible camaraderie

with this group and you start kind of lopping off guys that have been big parts of it. There's nobody probably that's been a bigger part than Barger who doesn't make the club out of spring training and has been absolutely essential to their success. You start doing that and suddenly you're not just messing with, you know, you're not just messing with potentially giving up a guy that could be really good for you in the future. You're messing with chemistry. Well, that's, that's a good, and the big boys love when there's like a young guy who kind of comes out of nowhere and does what, what he's doing. Like there's something, something compelling about that for the bigger guys on the team. And so, you know, you'd be, you'd,

you'd be watching that walk out the door, which is, listen, as long as someone is, who's coming in, doing a job that, that helps the team, which is, listen, as long as someone is coming in doing a job that helps the team, you'll live with it, but there's always, like, I don't know, through experience, and it was never me, trust me, but there's like just some young guy on an entry level deal or someone who came out of nowhere, and it's like, guys seem to be drawn to the young guy who does well

in a situation where you weren't necessarily expecting him to. Yeah, it is. Something likeable about that kind of guy. But it's a great like fly on the wall scenario, man. Like if you talk to George Springer, let's say, now this like George is having a resurgence. He's just had an unbelievable season. Unbelievable. And you can't give this guy enough credit because of the way he played the last two years where I thought it was over for him

He did and I would guess the Blue Jays probably thought that tip Like if they're gonna be candid you catch them in a candid moment Ross and John Schneider and them They're probably like I don't think we can rely on this guy, but we're paying him so much money He's got a plate like he's gonna be on the team and we'll let him see what happens. He's been phenomenal I'm sure he's connecting with all these guys, Barger included. Like Barger's been playing some right field, you know, he probably leans on Springer. I love the true serum though. Like if you went to a guy like him who has won before and knows what it means to win and knows what you need to win and if you said are you cool with giving up that guy who has arrived and really lit a fire under this team for this

player or that player who is like stud, you know what I mean? Like a truly game changer. And you're not going to get a game changer just for barger to be clear. Like it would be barger plus, plus likely if you're talking like a monster. Oh, it's like prospect, pick. Yeah. It's got to be. It It's gonna be more than that. But I'm thinking, I'm not speaking for George here clearly, I don't know his answer, but

I would think a veteran who's been around the block would say, I'll still take the sure thing. Like I'll take the guy who has been in the league for seven or eight years, who's a stud, who I know is gonna help us. Where Barger, there's still an element of unknown. You know, what is he going to be the rest of this year? What's he going to be next year? Could just be a fluke. Yeah. I mean, there's, and that's what makes being a manager so difficult because like

from a fan perspective, Barger has hit the ground running, man. 10 out of 10 first impression. Like I love watching this guy play. His story story we interviewed him a few weeks ago unbelievable story and just like the easiest guy to watch play and root for but if it's in the best interest of the team you have to do it you have to do it. You do but you but you are making making a calculated gamble? That whatever you're taking away in terms of what that guy's brought to your team and all the things that are measurable, obviously, are there, but the unmeasurables

of the way this group's sort of grown together and kind of succeeded together, I mean, it is a mercenary business, right? Like most guys, almost every guy understands it's a mercenary business. It's a cruel business business it's a results business and I think most guys understand that those things happen but your point it's it's got to be a stuff right it's got and the studs got to work out right and

that's the that's the element of you know chance you're you're taking on the flip side that the other guy shows up stays healthy. Isn't 35 years old like yeah you can't start bringing in guys that because you already have guys that are injury prone or maybe hanging on by a thread so to speak. You can't bring someone else in just because he's a veteran and had you know a good year four years ago and you're expecting that to happen but I guess the thing with barger too like I think a lot of people and maybe we've talked about this in the past, the summer, like are you waiting for the balloon to pop

at some point? Are they going to figure him out? And maybe, maybe it's a hot streak this year, maybe it happens next year, or maybe he just turns into a guy who's actually a guy who can play. You just, you don't know. But I feel like in years past, we've had these conversations and maybe not even around the Jays when it comes to dealing prospects around the league. And people seem to be anyways, like willing to part with prospects because they're not a sure thing. You just don't know until they get there.

But with Barger, he's gotten there. Yeah. He's not in double A ball working his way up with Promise. He's actually performing. He's here. And there's another really important point to be made that he bats left yes and you know you've got Springer and Vlad E and Bichette and Kirk they all hit right yeah you know and you need balance in your lineup and yes Vard show is

expected to return it sounds like it'll probably return when they get to Baltimore I think he's he's going up to Buffalo this weekend so he'll be doing some triple A rehab this weekend. He's not going to play in Detroit but likely to return right after that and you know he bats left and he can hit for pop for sure but you do need balance and Barger has represented that. Like you said clean up at times this year. So you know it would take a haul but I don't think anything can be off the table. That would be my answer on it, as much as it would be difficult emotionally and cultures and good vibes and there's a gamble. And it's difficult to have this conversation because you don't have the opposite side of

the, you know, the offer on the table in front of us. So we're just talking about barges. It's all theoretical. Yes, theoretical player X. Well, you know, what if player, what if it's two players, player X and Y, and there's a bigger deal in barges involved in it, the two guys coming back, yeah, are the equivalent of the Tula-Witsky and Price. That's where you're like, okay. Like if you're bringing back someone with some term, then it probably makes it a little more

digestible to move on from a barger who's a young guy but if it's going to be a rental well that's your like your your more all-in which i feel like chappiro and atkins have never really operated that way one and done they never have and i don't think they ever will i don't think we're going to see that here i think we're going to see them be them right they're going to get somebody with control they're going to get guys that are going to here beyond this run, because they want a sustainable run next year and the year after that and the year after that. And that's understandable as long as you're

putting teams together that can perform at that level. But look, it's like every good trade. Like if you really believe this is the trade that will take you from could be a contender to will be a contender and are contenders in the here and now like that's like The Martyr Rosen for Kauai Leonard like you got to give up something really big that's something even bigger That's the thing and ideally would it be someone like because of all the young guys

Like even Ernie Clement's been a great story this year and he's kind of played all over the lineup and he's done different things for you Clements been a great story this year and he's kind of played all over the lineup and he's done different things for you. Barger has a different I think view in terms of how the fan base has kind of responded to him. Oh yeah he's a huge favorite. He's a huge fan favorite so ideally you're it's it's a Wagner or a low profito or a Clement but again if you're the other team this is the problem with you know a fans perspective of a trade it's not trade this guy and just get that guy for a second rounder in your fifth as prospect that's not the

way it works now yeah i think that he was going to be you know but popularity let's not pretend popular is not a fact no i understand that from a perspective jade like a they have the best home record in the american league for a reason i mean we just for judge i understand we gotta get some of the credit to the fans in The fact that that ballpark has been renovated, it's electric, I mean there's a reason they signed Vladdy to 500 million and it's not just his numbers. Yeah it's about the entertainment business. He is a brand and people come to Steve Vladdy and people love Vladdy right? But this is come for the bobblehead of Vladdy dancing. Yes you know but this is the kind of stuff that would keep

a GM up at night. Yeah. And what I'm saying is the other team you're trying to trade with, they don't care about all that. They want the player, you know, and they're going to hold your feet to the fire because whoever we're talking about here in this hypothetical trade, the Yankees have called on and the Brewers have called on and the Dodgers are going to call like, so they don't care about what you're dealing with. You've got to give me an answer by midnight tonight. And that's where it gets complicated because if you're Atkins, you're like, what am I going to do here?

I could make this deal, and I've got to put them in. If I don't, and it doesn't work, I'm going to live with that forever. If I make the deal, and he continues and blossoms into a star, and we don't win anyway, I'm going to have to live with that forever. If you really love the player and all those teams you just mentioned, those are the teams that are willing to go higher in financial incentive than the Jays. And even though the Jays spend a lot of money.

They spend money. But this is your chance to say, we got something that you don't have. So if they wanna do it, they can do it. But how do you make sure it's a sure thing? You can't though. That's the thing, you'll never have a guarantee that it's a sure thing, and even when they traded,

who's the catcher, Moreno, they traded him, put their faith in Alejandro Kirk, he had a terrible year last year, now he's turned it around this year, we don't talk about it anymore, but that would've been one of those ones where you're like, man, how do you move on from a young talent like that? Well, I guess they worked out pretty well this year.

Alejandro Kirk's an all-star. Yeah, Varsho, Gorg Lover last year, and you know, he's been hurt this year, but yeah, you're right. All right, more on this later this afternoon. We'll revisit our chat with Jon Schneider, the manager of the Jays, Jays Tigers tonight. We got Greg Rosenthal in about an hour. NFL camps are off and running. We already have injuries, typically quarter quarterbacks typically the New York Jets

at the forefront of this seeing reviews on how our Aaron Rodgers is looking early in camp I love the breakdowns of quarterbacks and QB stats and like 7 on 7s and they can't be touched they're in red jerseys anyway yet we're gonna break it down so we'll get to that in just over an hour. Overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. All right, Chase Tigers tonight. We'll get back into that a little bit later this afternoon. Greg Rosenthal in about an hour.

So obviously we've been discussing what happened in London today. All five players, all five men acquitted of all charges at the London hockey trial, and the judge said, quote, she did not find the evidence of EM to be credible or reliable, end quote. And when that statement was made and reported on because it was it was a long proceeding before the verdict was actually revealed. Once that. Comment was made or statement was made, I think most people realize this is going to end in a quittle for all five players and every charge.

So now, you know, the door opens for these five men who are now free to resume their lives and possibly their professional careers you know like we don't have an answer on any of that right now and obviously that's not at the forefront of what happened today but eventually we're gonna get there we discussed it earlier that like we haven't seen a statement from the NHI would not be surprised if we got one or received one at some point by tonight tomorrow in the next couple of days and eventually Gary Bettman will make a decision on the future of these five players. But it's been a long-standing

trial, obviously a story that has been at the forefront of the Canadian sports scene for years now and obviously these players were on the 2018 World Junior Team, that's seven years ago long time ago long time ago and Rick Westhead has obviously been down there in London for weeks and months and following this case closely and I believe he was in the courtroom today and he joins us now Rick were you in fact in the courtroom today yeah I was sitting there you mentioned mentioned uh... that it was a five-hour hearing very likely that there is

the judge gave a bit of a spoiler by saying right off the bat that and she thought that this was a case where there was uh... consent and and she didn't find e m the complainants testimony to be credible or reliable in a finish he said that you could hear audible gas section of the public gallery where the players families were. Michael McCloud's parents sitting next to each other they'd been you know at this trial all

the way through they embraced and Carter Hart's mother got teary-eyed and kind of bent over put her her face in her hands and several of the players who were sitting much closer to the judge with their legal teams turned around and looked back at their families as well. At one point I heard one of the, I don't know who it was, but one of the parents just say yes. And so the drama was kind of out of the way, right off the top, and we just had to get through

listening to the judge recap the you know the crown's position and the defense and then explain her legal analysis and then finally a couple hours ago say that the players were all not guilty. So would you describe the reaction from the five men, the five players, their families as relief or vindication? Like how would you describe, you know, what you witnessed then today? Well, it looked like relief to me. Several of the lawyers after came out and gave statements and, you know, Daniel Brown, a Toronto criminal lawyer,

talked about, he represents Alex Formonton and just talked about how crushing this has been for Formonton over the last seven years. Of course, the public has only known about this case for the last three years, but it's been kind of going through the criminal and the hockey Canada investigative process almost days after this incident

back in June 2018. So I think if you had to pick one word to sum up how these guys are feeling, it's absolute relief. this incident back in June 2018. So I think if you had to pick one word to sum up how these guys are feeling, it's absolute relief. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, Rick. I mean, it's early to make sense of what this has all meant. This has been a long and drawn out proceeding, as you point out, and seven

years plus from the date of the incidents, here we are but if you can sort of start putting the pieces together what in your mind does this mean for Hockey Canada? Good question I mean think about all the things that have happened since the public learned about all of this in May 2022 you know Hockey Canada was on life support for a period of time it's of its corporate sponsors put those relationships on hold. We found out that Hockey Canada had maintained this secret slush fund that was used to pay off legal claims, including sexual assault allegations, using money

from minor hockey registrations. And the public were never told about this. I think if there is something that's in the public good that's come out of it, it's the fact that Hockey Canada now has a new independent third party process and it may not be perfect, but at least there's a way now for people kind of across the country, if they have complaints about abuse and maltreatment, to know where to turn to make those complaints so that they're received and if there's credibility behind them that they're investigated properly.

So there has been something good that's come out of this and it's a better process for looking at these kind of complaints. With Rick Westhead, again earlier today, all five players acquitted of all charges at the London hockey trial, the five former members of Canada's 2018 World Junior Hockey Team. Again it's very fresh very raw news but

do you have any idea or any reason to believe what these five players intend on doing with their futures in terms of either trying to play again will they be able to play again will they seek seek any legal retribution, is that even something that they're capable of doing? Good question again. Well, I'm not sure because there's a couple different processes here that have been playing out, remember, that we have the Hockey Canada adjudication process and these players are still, I've talked to several of the players' lawyers who have told me that these players are still suspended by hockey Canada and that they

appealed that decision and that an appeal committee by hockey Canada kind of put everything on hold until the criminal process played out. So now I guess it's only a matter of time before the players kind of try to remedy that and pursue an appeal with hockey Canada. In terms of what the decision was, I think the decision was made by the So now I guess it's only a matter of time before the players kind of try to remedy that

and pursue an appeal with Hockey Canada. In terms of whether they're allowed back into the National Hockey League right away, I'm not sure. They're not guilty. There are cases in sports, not just in hockey, where players have not been convicted but still have run afoul of league's codes of conduct. I don't know what the NHL will do or what the league's official position is going to be. Do you envision a scenario where the the crown appeals? I believe they have 30 days to do so.

Yeah, the crown actually came out, Megan Cunningham came out and talked about this for only a moment. The crown does have 30 days and she said that the Crown is going to take that time and think about it. My understanding, again, I've talked with Crown attorneys and defense lawyers who aren't involved with this case about whether that's a no brainer to appeal or whether you take a pass on it. The challenge is that it's very tough, according to the lawyers that I've talked to to appeal a judge's decision that's based on questions of reliability and credibility. That's really tough. And then you have the added challenge. I know this isn't a legal show, but just if the Crown were to appeal and lose, that would potentially establish different law moving forward on allegations that are

like this and I think there's some apprehension from the Crown about going down that road so we're going to have to wait and see on that. Do you have an understanding of if the players have any legal recompense beyond this, Rick? Well Will McDowell is a Toronto civil lawyer. He represents Carter Hart and he was in court today. I asked him what their plan is and he just said they have a lot of contemplating to do now. So I'm not sure where you go on,

if you're the players on the civil side, whether I'm perhaps the most obvious target if you're the players might be Hockey Canada. I don't know beyond that but you know for sure it you know brian pointed out it is just so wrong so fresh i don't know where they would go with the civil case but uh... i'm sure they're gonna be talking about that with request that in terms of you know you being there on the grounds and you

know taking part in in this uh... release you know watching it closely in reporting on a closely being in the courtroom, how would you compare the celebrity of this and how much of a spotlight has been on this because it's Hockey Canada, because it's five players of fame? How would you describe your own experience kind of going through this whole thing? Well, I think, I appreciate you asking that. I think it's been a real learning opportunity to see how the justice system works.

I think, I've heard from a lot of people about the appreciation they have for journalism. Like one of the cornerstones of our society is an independent journal media that can report on these stories. We've done that. We've been in that court every day of the pre-trial hearings and the trial itself. I've kind of found myself also kind of going back and forth.

People ask all the time, well, do you think they're going to be convicted? Do you think they're going to be acquitted? My opinion on that has kind of swung as the case went on because these lawyers are so good. I think the legal process is going to be a little bit more complicated than it is in the US. I think the legal process is going to be a little bit more complicated than it is in the US.

I think the legal process is going to be a little bit more complicated than it is in the US. I think the legal process is going to be a little bit more complicated than it is in the US. I think the legal process plays out and some of the shortcomings,

I think there's going to be calls for some changes. We saw that in 2016 after Giangameshi was acquitted in effort to try to change the criminal code with regard to how sexual assault complaints are handled. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw something, and I don't know what those calls for change might be, but it wouldn't surprise me if we saw something like that down the road here. All right, Rick, we'll leave it there.

Thank you for this. Thank you, guys. Rick Westhead from London, and again, Michael McCloud, Alex Forman, and Carter Hart, Dylan Dubay, and Callan Foote had all been charged with sexual assault in January of 24 in connection with an incident in the london ontario hotel back in june of twenty eighteen after hockey canada gal event mccleod also

faced a second charge of being a party to the offense uh... acquitted on all charges all five players uh... are free to go obviously in our free men now free Canadians and at the same time as you asked I guess the crown could possibly try to you know appeal this and I don't know I don't have an answer on whether or not they're gonna do it or what I mean it sounded based on what Rick was saying and what he who he's been talking to it doesn't seem likely that's gonna happen. Seems unlikely. Yeah seems unlikely but again we don't know that for sure so

we're not gonna comment on that. No. But yeah pretty I mean definitely a groundbreaking day for sure and again you know putting aside these these players and the incident and all of that like from a hockey Canada perspective the damage has been done oh yeah and you know there is a it is a much different program today compared to what it was three years ago dates and it will never revert back nor should it ever revert back because there were serious mistakes that were made and as a result you know we're living in a very different world in terms of hockey

Canada and what should be expected out of that program So yeah without a doubt. I mean, it's no it's no coincidence guys that you know, what have they been leaning into these past few years? It's been growing the game on the women's and girls side, right? Like I mean really obviously now and it is exploding for sure it is Yeah, they're talking, you know, they're talking about adding, about adding, like almost doubling the size of their girls and women's player pool in the coming years and you've got a women's CEO and Katherine Henderson running the place now and it's a much different place than it was when it was more of a boys club. Let's call it that. Yeah, it definitely is a different world now. Alright, John Schneider joined us earlier this afternoon,

we'll revisit our chat with him coming up into the 6pm hour, Jays Tigers tonight, first pitch at 640, we'll get to our best bets on that, and Greg Rosenthal coming up as well, as we're well into the NFL training camp season, it's almost go time, overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on TSN 4.

I think Struddy may have lied the other day on the show, Hayes. That would be Struddy may have lied the other day on the show, Hayes. That would be disappointing. He may have lied. He talked about Noodles having a back tattoo that needed to be covered up and it was a bad tattoo and then he got some work done and it was even worse. I got a note from Noodles. He goes, I heard the tattoo stuff that Struddy brought up yesterday. He goes, he must be mistaking me for somebody else because I don't

have a back tattoo and I've never done a tattoo cover-up, but it was a great story. Wow, that's very disappointing. This is disappointing. That's as I hold Struddy in high regard and I never thought he would stoop to this low. Generally a man of integrity. So that means one of the other guys in their group has a brutal tattoo who we try to cover up and yet Noodle's took the brunt of it. And this is like the retraction in the paper the next day. No one cares about the retraction. As far as every fan of this show is concerned, Noodle's has a brutal back tattoo.

And actually probably multiple bad tattoos according to Stretty. Oh, like the legend of Noodle's brutal tattoos are just gonna keep getting better and better. He either is mistaking this for someone else or I'm afraid he just like completely made it up for content, which I'm not sure if he's too bad low. Now, there is a third option that Noodle's is lying to you. There is a third option that No is who's you never he never

takes a shirt like that guy doesn't swim he doesn't do anything like so you're never going to see the guy without a tarpon. Could be a reason for that. Yeah it could be a reason. I don't know. I who do you trust more noodles or strutty? That's a tough question. Well there you go. I'd like to think that I trust them both equally. That's not going to cut it man. Yeah you're gonna have to give me one or the other. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to. I'm not sure I'm buying noodles a little bit. Maybe noodles got it, gotta take it off,

because you can't do that. Like you can have, like tattoo removal is a serious surgery right now. Like it's very big out there. It's very, very lucrative. There's gonna be some like 60 year olds in the next 40 years that are keeping that industry alive.

Oh yeah. Guys like my age or a little bit younger, they just, I'm in the mood to get a tat, just get one. Or guys get like half sleeves and sleeves and it's just normal. Yeah. Well that is coming. You talk about AI and all that kind of stuff, watch it just be stupid stuff like that. Like nothing that really changes society much.

You can get a tattoo one day and the next day it can be gone. Like an AI tattoo. Yeah you just get what you just get a tattoo exactly and then 50 you know 50 bucks add just AI come over here. You have like chat GPT evolves into like this thing where it can like scan your body. Yes. And give you a tattoo for a week. That's coming. That's dangerous. You think painless tattoo removal is coming? Yeah, somehow. You can find the recipe, Hayes, if you can be that guy. Yeah, I'd invest heavily in that. You know how lucrative that business would be? The amount of people in this world that are dying to get rid of like multiple tattoos, if not all their tattoos. Oh yeah. Like there's obviously people, yeah,

when you're 20 you get like all these tats and then you get to 40 or 50, like I don't want any of these tats. Terrible. Yeah, I don't want any of these. That you're sagging away, you're 20 you get like all these tats and then you get to 40 or 50 like I don't want any of these tats terrible yeah I don't want to see that you're sagging away you're like you got it like it was colored and now the color is fading on it right yeah yeah it's not good anyways noodles didn't have a bad tattoo okay all right we're siding with ready strutty will be in there is a liar one interrogate else strutty is a liar we'll get after him did you see this Savannah bananas ballplayer that was on CNN today? No.

So do we have that clip, right? I think I sent it to you guys. You got to watch this up on TSN4. So he's on CNN for some reason. You know, I don't even really... What is Savannah Bananas? Like I get... I don't know what it is.

Is it like the baseball version of the Harlem Globetrotters? Yes. Essentially that. Yes. But like... They? Yes, I actually Harlem globe. Yeah. Yes, essentially that yes But like it's who are around they play ball games. They do dances. It's right I use like inflatable baths and all this kind of yeah Like if you hit up and they got a bunch in their own rules We're okay. If you if you hit a foul ball and a fan catches it in the stands you're out Okay, so they do a lot of gimmick right because I see them trend all the time and I have to admit my ignorance Like I'm always like Savannah bananas. Like what what is going on with this? They're selling out like Major League Stadium

Yeah, I guess they're doing really well. Okay. So one of the players was doing a promotional tour and was on CNN Do we have it or or not? Okay. Sorry guys. I thought I sent it to you Anyway, the guy tries to do a backflip and blows a wheel and faceplants and like it's really really ugly flip and blows a wheel and faceplants and like it's really really ugly like really now he gets up because that's a scenario where you have to get up like it doesn't matter half your face is falling off if you've broken both arms both legs you have to get up but internally your adrenaline is running you're like I'm up I gotta get up yeah and he gets up and then they pan over to the two anchors on CNN I think it's oh here it is Brooke Baldwin

Oh, yeah, here it is. Oh my god. Look at that. Yeah, that's and then watch this watch it watch I think Brooke Baldwin's her name Look at she she can't even hold she's like I can't believe that just happened like she is cringing She cannot believe the Savannah bananas baseball player guy put it back up there Joe roll just roll that consistently for a couple of minutes and what is the purpose of this i what what do you think you're about to accomplish what it is it's the same reason what the same thing as the dude wipes

guy from yesterday the cleveland browns helmet reveal falling into the lake now if you just to get you talking about the van a banana and then he took that he did on purpose We're talking about it. Yeah, we are. If he landed it, no one's talking about it. It's a great point. It's incredibly cynical, but you're not wrong because now there's a lot of people that believe the Browns guy that fell into the water, that was on purpose. Yeah. It was on purpose to go viral because they knew the way our society works where if someone blows a wheel like that, people are gonna talk about it.

Now, if this guy did that on purpose faceplant because he could have knocked his teeth out, broken his nose, everything, he better have an ironclad contract that is remarkably lucrative to do that on national TV. Like a huge guarantee. Yeah like that guy's got a 25 million dollar guaranteed deal with Savannah Bananas for him to go in there and say I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. Attempt a backflip, but I'm going to face plant and a hundred percent can cost and. Yeah.

It would have been better if he like lost a couple of jibs and he was bleeding all over the place. Cause that really goes viral. Like I didn't see that until just now. Yeah. But if he went, like if he went bloody mouth, I can't believe I didn't big time. You know how like that floor, that's's a studio floor. We've all stood on those before there. They are there's no bounce No, there's no flexibility. There's no give back That guy the fact that he didn't knock out teeth and break his nose and was bleeding every because you're right He stands up in his face is a disaster. It is Infinitely more viral a better. Yeah Yeah it is. Yeah you're right but I gave

you like I'm looking at some of the clips here like these guys are doing back flip catches in the outfield during games that's why he's doing back flips on CNN because that's the thing so that's that's stuff for him if he's doing back flip catches to do a back flip like that just standing still that's child's play. But who wants to go see this guy play now that can't even pull off a backflip once you know it in studio but he does it on the field I mean that it looked like a slippery studio set there like it was like oh my god so good well okay let's say we're not gonna be cynical about it and say that he actually just didn't land it and it wasn't on purpose maybe he should have just worn like his his gear cleats not

your cleats but like maybe not jeans in a baggy t-shirt yeah that's true and maybe some like decent shoes I'd love to know the connect why is CNN promoting the savannah bananas you know why they were on they were like 60 minutes the other night really they're big news how to how my missing those who like that a list of my league baseball is that right well right i've been to the element of the i guess so who do they play against the isn't that like a zin general's of

baseball there's been there a lot going on right now for cnf like that then that there seems to be a lot of news going on it does i would never be kinda i get you is a we all have long shows and you got some filler segments there seems to be a lot of news going on. It does. Like wouldn't that be kind of, I get, we all have long shows and you got some filler segments. Yeah. Seems pretty crazy right now down in the States. Now that is a daily occurrence. Sometimes you gotta have fun.

It can't all be death and mayhem. Gotta have fun every once in a while, you're right. But that's one where I wonder if they booked in advance and got to the day and said, I can't believe we have the Savannah Banana guy coming in. Like, what's he gonna do, a back flip for us? You know? And then it actually turned out, maybe this will be incredible for CNN believe we have the Savannah Banana guy coming in. Like, what's he gonna do, a backflip for us? And then it actually turned out,

maybe this will be incredible for CNN because they're gonna get credit for this viral moment. Like, not credit, but they're gonna be associated with it. Yeah, and all the blue and blue. I mean, I gotta say. Yeah, Doogie, get this guy in studio and have him do a flip here so we can get a little buzz. Who do you think at TSN would be able to land a backflip

here in this studio? Is there anyone who works there? You gotta be somebody. I feel like Kate Burness could do it. You think, yeah Kate would be up there. I think KB could do it. She's always kind of Instagramming, she's in the gym. You know who would try, probably not do it, and it would really be bad, is Luke Wilson. Luke would try it. He could do it. He's too tall though man. I don't know, like his leg. He's's explosive big goofy legs trying to go over his head. I don't know he could he'd hit the ceiling in here I think he'd try it and it would go really horribly. I let's try to set that up

Maybe head Hedge is always that she's working out. She's at the gym Yeah, hedge Hedge's Hedge could possibly do it I could I wouldn't sell Jennifer Hedger short on that if there's anyone I think Jay on right could do it. I Don't think Jay could do it. I think I was brother could do it. I wouldn't sell Jennifer Hedger short on that. I think if there's anyone on the panel. Think Jay Onright could do it? I don't think Jay could do it. Think Al's brother could do it? I think Al's brother, he wouldn't be last. He beat O'Dog in the vertical, didn't he? That's right. Don't sell short his athletic ability. I think Jay's got a shot. I mean O'Dog, speaking of O'Dog, I mean O'Dog's been pumping iron and he's... Yeah? Mark Mathod. You think Mark Mathod can do it?

I think Mark Mathod has the explosiveness to do it. Okay. He's probably bigger now, like muscular-wise, than when he was playing. But I'm not sure muscular is what you're looking for. No, but he's explosive. You're looking for like an acrobat. Like he's... I bet Mathod's one of those...

Like Chris Crider, you ever see him? He jumps out of the pool and Yeah. Lands on the ledge. You do that, Frankie? No, God, no, I couldn't even do that in my prime. But I bet I bet meth could. That would be my my pick. OK, you're on you're on meth. Because he's I think in your on meth. I'm on meth. I mean, he's in the best shape out of all the male talent. Actually, you think about the guys with the hockey quads. I remember Morgan Riley telling me he could dunk.

And he's like he's like six foot flat right like yeah there's guys that can get up so if you can jump enough to dunk that's the thing you got to add the gymnastic component of the flip plus you got to have the courage to do it yes like you got it you got you have to commit if you're going you got to go well I think you have to do it on like high like you have to do it with like padding underneath you yeah I and that's why we couldn't we can really get like a studio floor and i thought it was the learn can have luke wilson do it who value of course is too valuable and i was the although and ron if luke lost

the jib and had a black guy was all bloodied up he would do hits the very next our yes with his mallet mullet and his stash. And be up at the podium with Sarah and then go do hits with Jay. I think... And he would be totally on brand for him. That guy, if he loses a tooth, then it just skyrockets him to a completely different level. Because he's got the mullet, he's got the stash, you start losing teeth.

This guy is just... You're right. he is owning a look that nobody else on Canadian television is owning. So I guess I'm a proponent of that. I don't want to see him get hurt, but like lose a couple of jibs and I think that like completely boosts your image. And you know what, maybe he might like eat an apple the wrong way and lose a jib and he'll just hop on and do a hit. Yeah, no teeth, mullet, stash.

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