OverDrive - OverDrive - July 24, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Frank Corrado and Dave Feschuk for Hour 3 on OverDrive! The guys revisit their conversation with Blue Jays manager John Schneider on the team's impressive stretch, the coaching mindset of the season and the landscape of the AL East. NFL Daily Podcast Host Gregg Rosenthal joins to dive into the start of training camps in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers' season outlook with the Steelers and Justin Fields' injury with the Jets and the Toronto Sports Quarter Century Bracket.

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attendance this weekend. So really popular trip and what Detroit has done with their stadiums is really really cool. Like Ford Field is 50 feet from Camerica and Little Caesars where the Red Wings play is like you know what kilometer away? Not even that. Yeah it's right there. Like all three of them are right there and the Tigers are playing really well. I mean Tigers have a great history. Detroit's a great sports town. And you get the Tigers playing well, the Jays playing well, like back in the seventies, eighties, nineties, this was the rivalry. It was Jays Tigers, right? Like that was it. It was huge. Huge.

And obviously it's different now that Jays in the AL East and Tigers clearly in the central, but still it's a big one.'ll be a fun one this weekend. It'll be outstanding man. And look they Blue Jays have played so well at home and this will be in some ways It's not a home game, but a little more of a home feel right? So that's that's a nice advantage to have to even though Look this this Tigers team is no joke and there's a reason why as we pointed out at the top of the show AJ Hinch is this this Tigers team is no joke and there's a reason why as we pointed out at the top of the show AJ Hinch is Still the favorite to be manager of the year in the American League even though John Schneider is right on his tail Yeah, and listen Tigers are good team

But the Jays should have a lot of confidence in how they've played not only against the AL East but against the Yankees Who you know, there's an aura around the Yankees plus they're a very good team despite their you know shortcomings defensively the yankees plus they're a very good team despite their you know shortcomings defensively um the jays took full advantage of that and they scratched and clawed man like it wasn't always certain that the jays were going to win those games and they found ways to and it's everyone pitching in so i get it you know top team in the al central but they should be a really confident group and their schedules in like they got the tigers and then they're going to have kansas city colorado like they it's kind of like an up and down schedule right now. So if you can bank some wins here against the Tigers,

you got some nights where it's not gonna be as intense of ball games where you should feel a little more comfortable with them to potentially put together a little bit of a cushion here after having some success against the Yankees. Yeah, you're right. And you know, they've got an eight game road trip here again no days off for for quite some time until actually the trade deadline July 31st but yeah you

get four against the Tigers and then four at the Orioles and then Kansas City at home then you go out to Colorado like you said but you do have the Dodgers and Cubs coming up and those are serious teams. Also that's a great roadie though like they're gonna be in LA August 8th, 9th and 10th playing the Dodgers like if you're if you're from Toronto or you're Canadian and a Blue J fan an expat living down in Southern Southern California that's a must see. That's an over the weekend trip right? Like that's an over the weekend. Fly down, go catch a couple of games,

get to LA. Yeah, absolutely. Trying to tee it? Trying to tee it if you can. Ideally at a place of significance. You know, Riviera. Not a local community. Yeah, LA Country Club.

If you can get into LA Country Club, that would be great. Call someone at Bel Air, get you in there. Why not? I don't see why not. Why is it, what is that, uncalled for to suggest that someone should be playing Riviera when they fly into LA? You gotta

check out the Rolodex on your phone see if you got anyone. I have nobody. Nobody. Like oh and I'll get into those chats like we got to go play RIV. I'm like how are we doing that? And he doesn't have an answer. It's like saying I got to play Augusta. Sure that'd be great but how do you intend on playing Augusta? GD you got to call Graham DeLette. Yeah GD probably would have a couple of other cups. He can try. Sam Mitchell's the closest I know. Sam's got a guy. Sam's played Augusta multiple times. I know we cornered him once years ago and we and to get off the phone he's like yeah I'll get you guys in. You know how low you are on that list? Could not be lower. Yeah.

Like legitimately would be of the people Sam is aware of in the world, like people that he has come in contact with. Jeff O'Neill, Brian Aze, got to be as close to like 1 million and 1 million and 1 on that list. If he was up here. As close to the bottom as you could ever find. If he was up up here I don't even think you'd be the first people he'd call for a four cement you know that no if he was in a bind and say I need two spots and we we would there's no way Sam's calling us now ever probably let alone to play Augusta national and oh and I are stupid enough to be like that's grass Sam's gonna get us out there

You know the dream was alive for like dude, but I've heard tests I you're not a true stick golf nut if you don't have that like Smidgen of belief that it could happen. Yeah, it does feel that way doesn't it like you like fast trucks played it I've played it best checks played Augusta National got lucky. He's got that glow about him I played Augusta glow. Yeah, you can's got that glow about him. The eye played Augusta glow. Yeah, you can tell the people that are better than us. They walk differently. They think they're better than us.

They float on the ground. Yeah. I'm luckier than you. I'll tell you that right now. You think we're scum. You think we're scum and that's fine. No, man. I'll tell you what though,

like when you start investigating like who actually gets on there, like you sort of hear through the grapevine about, like I know guys who know members okay so because I've been down there you know there's a couple Canadian bunch of times there's been yeah there's some Canadians involved there's some guys that just I have connections with even the members they don't get that many rounds with guests like there's limits even for the people who wear the green jackets around the club right you know it's not like you can just bring anybody down there anytime you

want. No, it ain't a frat house. It's not. And there's no call on the call in the pro shop, you know, Hey, can you get an eight 10 tomorrow? I got a Frankie and he's in power. That's not how it works. That's not how it works. It's more like bypassing whatever protocol like here, if you got some kind of cache at your club and you can only make tee time seven or eight days out, you can call the pro and be like, listen, man, I gotta get a round in. I'm going to forget to book it at like 7 PM.

You hook us up here and you just put it in the system for me two weeks out. I don't think you're doing that there. No, I don't think they're letting you go out. You know, first tea time, 7 30 sneak in at 7 25. We forgot to get a tea time. I don't think you're beating the rabbits out there. No Augusta National No, I've even heard that some of the members are almost afraid to ask too much like they yeah, they're like, okay They let me into the club

By some miracle invited me into this club like I'm not rocking the boat. I'm not the guy that's gonna be out there too much I'm not you know, I'm not the guy that's taking too many divots I'm not the guy that's you know, not repairing my ball marks on the green and I I'm not the guy that's taking too many divots. I'm not the guy that's not repairing my ball marks on the green. And I'm certainly not the guy that's bringing my stupid buddies from Toronto sports radio. No chance. To just hack and slash. You guys were out at copetown woods recently. Yeah, that's right. You did the duffy thing out there. I got a note from a buddy of mine who lives out that

way. He's like, you got to tell your TSN guys to stop hyping up Copetown Woods, because it's like my secret little track that no one knows about, and now people are going. The beautiful place. And he's like, it's getting harder to get times, and he goes, it's all your guys' fault. Like, it's Duffy's fault. You guys are golfing there in December. You're right. It's a hidden gem.

It's not a hidden gem anymore. It's a great, great place. Yeah. Great, great place. Cat's out of the bag. Cat's out of the bag, unfortunately. All right, best bets a little bit later this hour, Greg Rosenthal coming up in about 25 minutes caught up with John Schneider. And needless to say, he's in a good mood. And he

should be in a good mood. The Jays are the hottest team, certainly in the American League, maybe in all of baseball, like damn Milwaukee's been red hot. hottest team in baseball, we began by asking the skipper how does that sound when we describe your team as the hottest team in baseball? Nice man I mean the guys have been playing well for a while and you know there's there's still a you know that ton of games left but we've been doing this for a while and it's been it's been a really you know

another good home stand after you know winning another good home stand after, you know, winning 11 in a row there and, you know, facing another really good team for the next four years. So it's nice to hear that. And I'm just really pleased with the way the guys are going about it every day. Did you happen to catch any replay of when Boone got ejected,

the camera panning over to you in the dugout and what kind of facial expression and body language you had going, did you see that? I did not, I did not, was I laughing or was I, what was I doing? You couldn't have looked more calm and casual and then there's Boone losing his mind and I have to think that like you're watching that

and you're like, well, I know what that's like. I've done that pretty recently. Was it kind of nice to be on the other end of it? Just chilling in the dugout? Yeah, yeah. You kind of take some mental notes too. So you kind of know what you look like when you do lose your mind a little bit.

Yeah, I think that it was, you know, it was kind of right in front of us too. Booney made his way over kind of towards our dugout. But yeah, I try to keep a straight face. He's been known for some pretty good ones, some pretty entertaining injections. So I think kind of in that moment, I was kind of just observing. Yes, I think everybody was just observing at that point. And you take two out of three against the Yankees the last few nights, you swept them four straight a couple weeks ago. That's six of seven against the Yankees. Why do you think or why have you had the number of New York?

You know, we match up pretty similarly but in different ways, if that makes sense. You know, they're kind of built with the long ball and their starters. I think we did a really good job against their starters, both this past series and the four game or a couple weeks ago. We did a really good job of putting the ball in play and putting pressure on the defense. We're a tough team to strike out and I think when you put the ball in play good things happen So we made we had some really good pitching performances, too But from both starters and relievers and you know, not your typical relievers, you know

We had you know guys up and down the kind of depth chart of the bullpen come in and get some big outs you know against those guys and I don't know if you have their number per se, you know, I feel like every game is tight against them. And, uh, and we kind of made a few more plays than they did. Yeah. And obviously, uh, nobody's really, uh, angrily second-guessing the manager on a, on a day after you win, but you know, there was some second-guessing last night

about the eternal second-guessing question of why did you pitch to Aaron Judge you know with a man on base you know down with the Yankees down a couple of runs and and he did it to you again as he's done to many teams for many years what goes into those decisions against the player of that magnitude? Yeah it's not a perfect science you know it kind of changes every single situation. Of course you're kicking yourself because we're talking about an elite talent in him and I got so much respect for the way he does it day in and day out. In that situation you're thinking it's a sixth inning, Chris had handled them well, the previews

too advanced, but you can't put all your stock in that you know what I mean you're always trying to think of the what could and you know with a base open there you know I kind of trusted Krista you know at the very least maybe pitch around to me just missed a spot and then judge doesn't miss you know when the ball is in the middle of the plate so it's it's tough you know we talked about situations before the game with him specifically. I think you have to give credit to, you know, Ben Rice behind him who took the lead in the ninth inning off the day before. And, you know, I didn't want to put the, you

know, bring the go ahead run into the box there with a team that's built for home runs. So it's, again, I know that I have the most intentional walks against him in the last couple years and it's worked out sometimes and it hasn't sometimes but you know last night I thought there was enough game for us to come back and you know if the worst case was a tie game I thought you know our guys could come back and score some runs and they did. Yeah they did you end up winning that game with John Schneider ahead of their series in Detroit and Bassett you know spoke on the aggressiveness of your team after the Yeah, they did you end up winning that game with John Schneider ahead of other series in Detroit and basset You know spoke on the aggressiveness of your team after the game and and about those habits that you know

You guys have been getting a lot of love for recently and in you know forcing the opposition to make mistakes and being on your toes And whether it's the bats, you know running the bases, the arms, like that attitude of being aggressive, how does that apply to the way you approach Judge throughout the series? Because you let Scherzer go at him, you know, you let Gosman go at him, it's, and not, you're not going to intentionally walk him, you know, 15 times over three nights, but you seemingly let your guys, for the most part, challenge him. Like is that a part of the team culture that you're trying to apply here?

Like you gotta stay on your toes and you gotta be aggressive. Yeah, I mean we've been playing that way for a while now and I think that's kind of how we're built. We have the personalities and the talent to do that, you know? So in terms of him in particular, you know, it's not like it's an automatic home run, you know what I mean?

It seems like it more often than not, but I trust guys to make pitches and, um, that's kind of the name of the game. You make pitches and you're good. And if you, if you make mistakes, you know, the possibility of, of something bad happening goes up, you know, so you know that, but I think in ter I like the way that, you know, I know Chris spoke to it after the game. Um, I want these guys to be aggressive. I want them to have the confidence to get people out.

I want them to have the confidence to get a guy over, get a guy in, hit the ball at the ballpark. Um, you know, I think just overall, the way that guys are kind of flying around the field, you look at, you know, George scoring from first on Vlad's double, you look at, you know, Schneid scoring from second on George's hit to right the day before. These guys aren't taking anything for granted and we're playing really good defense. I mean, Leo Jimenez and Ernie at second, Vlad, he made a couple great plays at first. Our outfield, you know, seemed to make all the plays as well.

So I think that's kind of what we talk about more. You know, it's kind of how do we use our skills the best to help us win every single night. And when you have not only the talent to do it and the ability to do it, you get the effort and the kind of attention to detail with it and the anticipation. It's just so fun to watch, you know.

It kind of gets contagious. Guys are flying down the line on ground balls, you know, putting pressure on the infield, that's how we play. You know, that's how we want to be known. You know, when a team is getting ready for us, we want them to know that this is what, this is what the effort and this is what the aggressiveness is going to be. Is there a moment throughout the season so far that you can point to where you can say that all that stuff you just talked about, you know, the team really kind of buying into what they're

supposed to be doing, the guys who are having bounce back seasons, like, did that just click? Or has that just been a steady build from spring training and everyone kind of coming back, maybe a little pissed off with the way last season went? Yeah, I think it started in spring, you know what I mean? I remember the first full day, I had about, you have your meeting at the beginning of camp with the whole group there, and sometimes it's long, sometimes it's short.

And this was my shortest meeting as a manager. It was probably about 45 seconds or 60 seconds. And all I said is, last year we need to learn from, we need to focus on what's important now and what's important every single day to win. And I need everyone in this room to be you and not try to be anything you're not. And that was it. You know what I mean? So if it's, if you make contact, I want you to make contact.

If you hit home runs, I want you to hit home runs. If you can strike guys out, I want you to strike them out. If you can be an elite defender, I want you to make contact. If you hit home runs, I want you to hit home runs. If you can strike guys out, I want you to strike them out. If you can be an elite defender, I want you to be an elite defender. And they kind of grasped onto that. You know, after last year, you know, guys were pissed, myself included. It was a, it was a tough year, but you have to learn from it. You know, we had tons of conversations as a coaching staff, front office and with the players about how we can get better.

And it's been really cool to kind of be aligned in all that and player feedback is huge. And we got a lot of veteran guys here. So we've changed some things that we do. You know what I mean? We've been pretty adamant about that and it's working. And I think when you have really good communication from top to bottom, guys understand the roles, they're understanding what I'm asking of them, what the coaches are asking of them,

and what they're asking, what they're holding each other accountable to. That's when you really see it click. So when you're focused on, what do I need to do to help my team win today, usually good things happen for you individually and then for the team. Hey John, it's been a little more than three years now

since you took this role replacing Charlie Montoya midseason and I've been fascinated to kind of hear you sort of reflecting about the way you've evolved as a manager over that time. I mean how would you sum up the way you've grown into this position over the years? Yeah I mean and looking back you know it takes it takes reps you know what I mean? And you know taking over midway through the season you're kind of flying by the seat of your pants, right you're just you're trying to just win every single game and Looking back, you know to where I was and kind of who I was, you know My first full year to where I am now is totally different. You know, it's I remember, you know, you're trying to kind of please everyone

You're trying to please the front office. You're trying to please the players. You're trying to please everyone. You're trying to please the front office, you're trying to please the players, you're trying to please the media. When you get caught in a little bit of a hamster wheel, you're just doing the same thing every single day. Where I've gotten to, you're just more comfortable as a manager. You've gone through things that you've done well and you've gone through things that you've messed up. You know what I mean? And I've, if you're not paying attention to those things, you know, the game is going to fly right by you and there's going to be mistakes, you know, from players.

There's going to be mistakes from me, you know what I mean? And you just got to be accountable to it. So it's how you kind of adjust from that is I think what makes you better. And the more you do it, the more comfortable you get with it. You know, the easier it is to talk to the media twice a day, the easier it is to tell a guy that something isn't acceptable or to have tough conversations. You know what I mean? And players, they deserve that and they, and they want that.

So when you're around guys for a number of years, let's have been fortunate to be, and then you have a staff that has kind of been together for a while, you all kind of function at a higher level. And I think that's kind of where we landed right now. And definitely all the things that I've been through have gotten me to where I am today, and I'm going to continue to go through them just like any manager is. How comfortable are you with seemingly a different leadoff hitter every night? It's kind of funny. I mean, perfect world. You just read the same line about every day, you know, and that's kind of not how we're built. It's not how a lot of teams are built now. So it was, I think when I moved Bo to the fourth spot from the one, I think it was where we kind

of took off a little bit and not saying that it was my, you know, my doing that we took off, but just trying, you know, just as an example of, of me being different to where it's like, Hey, Bo, you, you were obviously one of the best hitters with runners in scoring position in major league baseball. Let's take advantage of that. And then him saying, absolutely, let's do whatever we can for the team. Um, but you need guys to perform. You know what I mean? You need Nate Lucas to have good at bats against righties and you need Ernie or

Schneider or whoever it is to have good at bats against lefties. So it goes back to them just doing what they're good at and knowing what we're asking them to do. So we've gotten to the point to where guys kind of know, they know their roles. They know when they may pinch hit, they know when they're playing, they know when they're not starting. Um, it's fun. You know what I mean?

It's, it's the, um, kind of the, the tactical part of the game has gotten fun when you have some interchangeable parts. We'll get you out of here on the question we talk about every single day and we're obviously buzzing about Vladi and talking about Vladi on a daily basis and his numbers. He was really productive throughout the series against the Yankees, but you know, he sits on 13 home runs and it's the constant question How much power do you need from Vlad? And you're the guy that ultimately needs to answer that on behalf of the team, you know How do you respond to that question? How much power do you need from Vlad down the stretch?

and I mean As much as we can get right is the easy answer and it's going to come, you know, whether he ends up the year with 13 hummers, which I doubt he will, or if he ends the year with 50, you know what I mean? I, we need him to be the player that he is and not try to be anything. He's not. Vlad E has been blessed with unbelievable skills and unbelievable talent. So we just need him to continue to be part of this team.

And I think he's grasped onto that as well. So he gets when he gets on a heater, there's there's not many better than him in the game And it's gonna come at some point, you know Vladdy hits the ball just about as hard as anyone in the sport and It's literally a matter of inches to where he you know connects with it whether it's a home run or a double So the power is gonna come but again he's been so so integral in what we're doing from a culture standpoint from a performance standpoint and we just don't want him to put pressure on himself so all the people that say you know bladdy needs to hit forty you know he's very well met by the end of the season but

what he's doing to help us win every single night is what we're looking for well i'm sure that continues this weekend there will will be a lot of Blue J fans down there. It's always a fun series. Four games against the Tigers. Right? It's going to be great. Absolutely. The fans travel well especially the closer drives and we appreciate it. We appreciate the sport so much. Absolutely. Good luck this weekend. Thank you John. Alright fellas, appreciate it. Thanks. There he is, John Schneider manager of the blue Jays. Happy guy. Happy go lucky guy right now. Pitches, Darren judge,

judge hits a home run. Whatever. We'll find a way. We'll get it. We'll get that back. It's all good. I'm find a way to make a make magic happen here tonight. And that's what happened. And then, I mean, the Jays have beaten the Yankees six times in two weeks. Two and a half weeks. Six and one against the Yankees. And Yankee fans hate losing to the Jays. I feel like Yankee fans just see the Jays as like an irrelevant team north of the border,

Mickey Mouse. Well, the story in New York, I was listening to some New York sports radio today just to see the reaction. And it's like, it's not the Jays beating the Yankees. It's the Yankees beating themselves. Yeah. Well, and even Michael Kay is still trying to pretend like he was complimenting the Jays beating the Yankees. It's the Yankees beating themselves. Yeah, yeah. Well, and even Michael K is still trying to pretend like he was complimenting the Jays back,

you know, when he went on that big tirade about, yeah, you know, run differential, Pythagorean theorem. They're not that good, and you know, they're not a first place team. That's not what I meant. Pythagorean theorem should never be coming out of your mouth when you're an analyst.

I was complimenting them. I know. I don't think so. I don't think you really were. I think you had the same approach that everyone that is around the Yankees Always has there are the Yankees everyone else thinks yeah, or is beneath them or whatever And listen the Yankees aren't the only team that has that vibe to them No, the reds like the same when they're good

Yes, and there's other teams in pro sports in other leagues that have a very similar vibe to them But the Yankees are on a completely different level. They are completely different level. And you're right. It's like, well, they they did it to themselves. I was going back, I was sent out a couple of tweets last night, Yankee fans are like, the Yankees are the only one because of the errors. And it's like, all right, well, that's the game. Yeah. Well, then don't commit the errors. Don't commit the errors. That's the game. That's the Blue Jays problem.

You think the Dodgers are sad they won the World Series because the Yankees blew it in the fifth inning? Yeah that's like the dummy back in the day that used to say I'm better than you but you just work harder. Well then they're just work harder. Exactly. What the hell are you talking about? It's about the scoreboard. How did it play out? I can tell you how it played out. Pretty well for the Blue Jays recently. It's not the only game the Yankees have booted it around in the infield. No defensively they've done it like it was it was a constant theme of that series. Well 11 errors in three games. Aaron Boone's like something about this stadium man again not us.

Playing the stadium. Yeah it's not it's not us it's not our ineptitude it's the fact that the stadium something's going on with the stadium here some conspiracy against the Yankees. He said renov renovations goes ever since they did those renovations ads that's coming next they come back into town at some point gets swept uh... renovations man's barge and i are jammed this up here best bets power by fando make your picks in a similar same game parlay in seconds of the federal sportsbook gap jay's on the run line there a dog tonight but all all take the extra run

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All right, Greg Rosenthal will join us here in a moment. Host of the NFL Daily Podcast. Greg's been doing NFL stuff for a long time. Doing radio hits with Greg for like 16-17 years I think. Wow. Yeah I remember having him on a long time ago. So yeah I mean we're getting there right. NFL camps are off and running. Yeah how do you feel about your boy Nate Hackett back with the Packers? Yeah, where he belongs. I love him. Listen, the hack, he was a short change, man. It wasn't his problem in Denver.

Remember week one when he decided to go for that field goal? This is a serious problem for the hack. The hack's in trouble. The hack's been in trouble since he left Green Bay the first time. Yeah, it's been an issue. And going new york and teaming up with uh... rogers that didn't really resolve any issues but it's all good uh... speaking of rogers for getting full details on how he's looking early in camp i love the breakdowns of quarterback statistics

like seven on sevens you know red jerseys can't be here are struck pretty missed one past that disappointing it's got that contract and now he's getting lazy. Alright, here he is, the host of NFL Daily Podcast, Greg Rosenthal. How you doing, Greg? Hey, what's going on guys? So do you track the stats of quarterbacks early in camp? Like at what point do you start actually caring about whether or not there's completions being made?

Maybe not stats. completions being made maybe not uh... you'll get you'll get admonished by all knowers like jj y on twitter today was saying everyone's an idiot who looks at the fact you gotta wait a little bit but i do think you can pick up some things in the first week it can't certainly like the rotation who's playing with the starters like how certain players look like that yes and listen we were waiting for for the NFL for a long time finally arrived and I guess

today Justin Fields was carted off the field in in New York but dislocated toe day-to-day will be okay but you know the Jets fans are freaking out I'm not sure what they expect in New York though like if if Fields plays if he doesn't play what are what are your expectations for the judge they seem higher for me then they are for almost anyone like i think they could be a competitive team of five hundred type of team and yet they're projected in vegas and i think some you know analytical models have them as the

worst team in the a f c i think they're really talented defensively adding the offensive line a little underrated and i do buy into Aaron Glenn as a head coach and Tanner Engstrom, this guy that he brought from Detroit as the coordinator. And so I have a little optimism. I probably am higher on Justin Fields than most. I think they could have like a decent run first offense, but he's immediately hurt. then suddenly think all this thinking I did all off season What am I thinking? It's the Jets just something bad will happen Well, you know just like it something bad is always happening to the Jets something Very public is usually happening in Dallas Greg

And I was I was kind of intrigued by one of your tweets from, I think it was yesterday, where you were talking about if you kind of look away from the drama, the Jerry Jones show as it always is, they have a really fascinating team, and you sort of had them, in your estimation, as a top three NFC feeling, but also a bottom five floor. I mean, explain how you sort of see the Cowboys in that light.

Yeah, first of all, look, I like watching Zach Prescott play football. Certainly C.D. Lamb and George Pickens is a really intriguing wide receiver group. And then you look at their offensive line up front, it's a lot of high drafted players. Some players like Tyler Smith, who've also already looked good. And so it's a good, potentially young offensive line, but a lot of question marks about how good they will be. And then you look at their pass rush on the edge with Micah Parsons, the depth that they have, a lot of young players, some of them coming off of pretty serious injuries.

And yet, I think overall talent behind Parsons, it could be a really good pass rush. You combine that. To me, they could be back to where they were a couple years ago, which was a team that's winning 12 games three straight years. It really wouldn't be that surprising, but because it's the Cowboys, because there are some, I think, big variances with that offensive line, certainly in the secondary there's questions like they might not be a great team, the Jerry Jones of it all might ruin it all, but I'm interested to watch them just from a football perspective I think they're an interesting team. We were jokingly I think talking about Aaron Rodgers and

how you know every move is kind of watched by him especially at this point in the summer but it is interesting you know the dynamic between him and Mike Tomlin is that one of the more intriguing storylines that you're you're following at this point? Yeah no question his. His first throw today in 11-11 was intercepted so that seems like a bad omen for this season and everyone's saying the right thing and Mike Tomlin they wanted Aaron Rodgers then again they wanted Justin Fields before they wanted Aaron Rodgers and they didn't offer him as much money as the Jets did.

So he was kind of a fallback plan for what the Steelers were doing. Matthew Stafford was a guy they actually went after first. So he was like the third option ultimately. I just don't see it. The list of quarterbacks that are 42 years old with Rodgers will be at the end of the year that have ever even had a halfway decent season is one name long, it's Tom Brady. It's literally he's the only quarterback in history that's ever been any good at age 42.

And I don't think Rogers has shown enough the last couple years when he has played to believe he'll be different. I just saw on Fandall, the Steelers win totals eight and a half, would you go over or under? It's so funny because Tom tom and never had a losing season and i'd be and yet i do think i don't know it like

i'd never bet against all and i can not allow to have literally bet at all but i think when i make my predictions that division is so good uh... at the top that i do think i would go under i would have a man eight wins if i had to pick. With Greg Rosenthal NFL Daily podcast and you know that division the the pace car is obviously Baltimore and you know you look at Lamar Jackson we talked so much about the Bills up here and on this show and Josh Allen and you know both of them racing towards an MVP and in the end Allen ends up winning it. Of those two players, Alan Jackson, which

player do you believe needs a Super Bowl more? Oh man, I think they're, it's a cop out, but I think it's, I think they're even because they're so similar. I think Lamar maybe takes a little more national heat, so he doesn't strike me as a guy who's particularly concerned about it, about legacy. Like, he's put up those two MVPs and a first team All-Pro, which he got last year, so that's three first team All-Pro's. He's been doing it a little longer, so I hate to do a cop-out and not answer. So I will give you Lamar, and yet to me they're so similar.

They're the exact same position. They're quarterbacking two of the really three most consistent teams in the entire NFL over the last five years. The problem is the number one consistent team is the one that keeps beating them or getting further than them in the AFC playoffs every year. Greg I know you love ranking players. I was looking at the NFL Daily top 25 players the last 25 years rankings that you were a big part of it. I know you love ranking players. I was looking at the NFL daily Top 25 players the last 25 years rankings that you were a big part of it Were you solely a part of that was your was that your completely your ranking? That was all me. I didn't want anyone else taking the heat. Okay, so so yeah

I was gonna ask you about heat so you had Tom Brady one Patrick Mahomes to Peyton Manny three, Aaron Donald four, JJ Watt five, Aaron Rodgers six. And I won't give you the whole top 25 but of those kind of top picks for which one did you take the most heat? It's funny you ask. It's Rodgers where a lot of people thought he's too low. How could you put him behind the two defensive players too low how could you put him behind to defend the place i could even put it behind my home this guy is off you know one for mvp and then a lot more people are saying he's way too high there's no real world that erin rogers is that good

that makes me think that he was in the right spot cuz he got the most complaints on both sides and maybe that just speaks to erin rogers he makes people mad i think that's a reasonable though like for me yeah I think he's probably the fourth best quarterback in the last 25 years. Like I think that makes sense like Brady's clearly number one for me. I might have Manning ahead of Mahomes but that's up for debate. But I guess without having the list in front of me you got

it Dave. Who's the fifth best quarterback in the last 25 years he got here he's got Breeze he's got Breeze is fifth and then Lamar Lamar gets in there okay yeah he was the only other current one there were TJ Watt actually snuck in there as another current player too when you looked at the defensive player the year votes and how he's been top four, four straight years, it's pretty unprecedented. I felt like I had to put him in there. Breeze is the one guy, I got to say, I got maybe as much or more heat about him. And you do this list and the list would probably be a little different depending on the day. I might've nudged him up a little higher. He still would've been the number five quarterback

uh... but the consistency that he had the problem that he had to me was he was never the best quarterback in the league not really and that was what i was judging on like aaron donald and jay-jay watch me they were the best defensive player in the league for years on end which he just don't see too often and to me I was judging more on excellence, devity and consistency and that's kind

of what Breeze was but Breeze was pretty awesome. He's tough to argue with like stacking up the numbers and also the wins that he did in his career. Who do you have as the best wide receiver and the best running back the last 25 years? So Randy Moss ended up getting to the top at first i had calvin johnson and wide receiver with a tough one to paper out after all loans on the list but you know larry fitzgerald didn't even make the list antonio brown if you ignore who he is as a person now i had a truly incredible career he didn't even make a list of that with

that but i think if you're asking g's at their very at the very best when these players were at their very best I think the number one wide receiver they would have taken was Randy Moss and the number one running back that they would have taken was with Damien Tomlinson because to me Tomlinson did absolutely everything that a running back has to do at the highest of levels, whether that's blocking inside running, outside running, big plays, short yardage, like receiving, like whatever it is, he did everything so well.

So those were the two top for me, Moss and LaDani and Tomlinson. It looks like you have two tight ends that made this list. And how could you argue with either of these guys? It's Gronk and it's Travis Kelsey who sneaks in at 25 You know I guess all the reports are out of Chiefs camp that Kelsey looks great, and he's in unreal shape For your eye or your opinion how much does Kelsey have left in the tank? He feels like a guy who can turn it on when it really matters Which is what you want if you're the Chiefs. The only games that really matter to them are in

December and then January and February and you can see it. He isn't really able to crank it up for 17 straight weeks. I think Gronk was like that when he was in Tampa Bay as well and yet, man, he showed up in that Super Bowl. He would show up in the playoffs and so until he stopped showing up in the playoffs, and I think other than the Super Bowl last year, Travis Kelce definitely played well in the playoffs. I'm gonna believe in him that the connection he and Mahomes have is just unlike really anything

that we've seen other than Gronk and Brady over the last 20 years. With Greg Rosenthal and like the Mahomes story is an interesting one because you know, you got him second on your list of the best players the last 25 years. He's done it all he's already moved on to this like next stage of his career where I don't think he's chasing 5,000 yards or 50 touchdowns or maybe not even MVP's it may be solely focused on Super Bowls but

that Super Bowl was ugly for him, for Andy Reid, for Kelsey, for everyone. Like Mahomes struggled, man. The Eagles got at him. Does he have anything to prove this season? I think he does. I think quarterback careers are so long. We forget that Tom Brady had different phases when certainly he was more team oriented when he was popping up better statistically and for Patrick Mahomes to have a career that's considered with Manning and Brady in in the end He's gonna have to start popping up and hitting those deep place. He averaged six point eight yards per temp last year They have not been particularly fun to watch the last two seasons they have been a station to station. This get with the defense gives

you type of offense and I know Mahomes isn't going to be as athletic as he was when he first came into the league but I do think there are going to be years out there for him where he pops more, where he makes more wow plays, where the stats pop up more and I do think he's pop up more and i do think you here's back and that mvp discussed in this year great catch now we're great we really appreciate doing this i can talk to you guys

there is great rosenthal host of the nfl daily podcast i thought his phone address you know that they have gone and then i just went quickly with thanks for doing this appreciate it that is in the first half yeah they had us in Madison came back came back yeah yeah list like you I will always get in on a list I love a list and the beauty of a list now that I'm older is it's all it's a list that I can live through like if you do a top 25 players all time and you know hey Dick Buccus is on the right and see him play I don't know but everyone anyone on a quarter century list is something that I've seen before.

Yeah. Right. There are players that I've known and players that I've experienced and players that I have an opinion on. So Brady first overall is like a no doubter. I think the better question with Brady is would he be considered the greatest athlete period of the last 25 years? Not football player. Like for a football list it's always gonna be Brady and I think it has to be. Some people I guess might argue Mahomes. I wasn't going to do it even if Mahomes won the Super Bowl last year and was unbelievable I still would have Brady out of them especially over the course of 25 years but but with Mahomes on track to

potentially pass him it's possible for sure you gotta give me another 10 years and he probably still could be yeah yeah for sure oh yeah 10 years from now he rocks up another three or four Super Bowls and MVPs and a hundred percent hundred percent but like off the top of my head it's it's either Brady LeBron James Tiger Woods yeah the thing is like it's like it's Tiger probably it's tough well tennis can you put Djokovic in there yeah right that's what I'm saying like Federer Serena better he's got a case would you say Boulpe in? Michael Phelps? Yeah. Are they allowed?

Like it's different. Then you get into like Olympic sports. They're amateurs. It does feel different. If you just go with the pro sports. Let's go big four men's sports. No golf. No, let's take golf out of it.

NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA. Brady's number one. Sidney Crosby, Brady, LeBron. Brady's number one. I'd have LeBron too. Yeah. And then for baseball, who do you have? I probably have, I would have Sid three. But Tony's baseball, I don't know, he's he's only, yeah, he's one one. Does he get in there? A-Rod had a lot of fame. Like, yeah, A-Rod had a lot of fame. Like Mike Trout as a player, but because he never won anything, it's weird. Like Kershaw

would be up there. I mean, bonds, but that was kind of straddling. But you're right though, like the early 2000s, that's when he was rocking. Yes. Is there a pitcher? Like is it Pedro Martinez? Pedro, yeah, he was, he was on the field for a short time there. Yeah. At another level. but you're right

I think it it is Brady I think Tiger if you include golf would have us would have a case to overtake Brady as the best athlete of the last 25 Although I'm not I don't think he would for me. No, no, no I think I think he's like pretty close. Here's here's why I would say no Hey, like when he first came on the scene it was in 97. That was his like triumphant arrival winning the Masters by so many strokes. That doesn't count here. We're talking the last 25 years. Okay. So you have to take that out. I think he won the PGA in 99. So some of his winnings took place technically before. Once the scandal hit and the

injuries hit, he said one moment, like it was the 19 Masters. That was it. So you're talking 2000 to 2008, eight years where he was obviously unbelievable. Untouchable. Brady had 23 years of greatness in the century. There are no down years there. You don't feel it. Not really for him. I mean, he blew his knee out that it cost him the 08 season I think it was but Andy he went to what nine Super Bowls or ten Super Bowls and I guess that the tiger are you every year was unbelievable? There's my braids my number one guy There's a crazy stat isn't there with Tiger where he had if he had a lead going into the final round like that

You relinquish it one time sir or something never he never did but something ridiculous right why yang got why yang got him not majors though was it why I'm getting a PGA maybe but that one throws you off when why that's a crazy like that's the I guess Michael of an equivalent of like Brady losing a Super Bowl like Tiger didn't lose his Super Bowl and it's different like team sports to individual sports. Anyway, we've been asking the most valuable Toronto athlete the last 25 years. It's down to Kawhi Leonard and Kyle Lowry. So we'll come back and answer that wrap up this afternoon.

Kawhi versus Kyle, the most valuable athlete in Toronto the last 25 years. We'll do that next. All right. Most valuable Toronto athlete of the last 25 years. We're down to the one seed Kawhi Leonard versus the three seed Kyle Lowry two Raptors, but they're the team that won Yeah, yeah Toronto see one the Argos have won, but the Raptors winning in 19 Definitely the biggest moment of the last 25 years For me and I said this all week. It's Kawhi Leonard. I it's Kawhi, you just, you can't win without Kawhi. You can't.

Like it just doesn't, it doesn't happen without Kawhi Leonard. Mike Drop. Yeah, it's the most astonishing story. Like in terms of unique Toronto sports stories, there's dozens of them, hundreds of them. The story of Kawhi, his arrival, the shock of the trade, remember the concerns that maybe he wouldn't even report, wasn't going to accept coming, and then throughout the year he like, is he actually gonna stay, maybe he likes it,

they win, Uncle Dennis, Clippers, dude, load management, the whole way into perfection, yeah flying up for the meeting in Yorkville with Messiah and Bobby Webster, remember like airplanes following him around? It was crazy. And if you get the Yorkville meeting, that's a big deal. You get the Yorkville meeting. Yeah, that was big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of players, it's not going to be in Yorkville. No. Right. Yeah. But you know what? That's where it was. Bottom line was he's not only a, he wasn't only the MVP of Toronto sports, he was the best player in the NBA. He was essentially unstoppable at his best during that run.

And that was the difference. Well, and we said it yesterday, I think it was you, or someone mentioned it this week, that that was him at his best. Like he's not gonna be known, like it wasn't as a Spur, although he'll likely be more known as a Spur, certainly he was there, he started his career, he won there. And as a Clipper, if he's there with the Clippers for another four or five years that's gonna be the longest

stint but the best of the best for Kwa Leonard was Toronto and Jonas made that Jonas made that point yeah Jonas made that was like if you want to watch him at his height 20 years from now you say what give me a season to watch Kawhi it was in 2018-2019 and if he would have wrapped and if he would have we re-upped they might have won another one I think they would have been a bubble I think they beat the Lakers in the bubble absolutely they do but I guess we'll never know okay they got one they got one and he's the MVP they got one in the angle all right guys great seeing you thanks for doing this as always Frankie Corrado Dave Feschuk

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