OverDrive - OverDrive - July 30, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Frank Corrado for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Football Insider Dave Naylor joins to deep dive into the NFL training camps, Tom Brady's views on Scottie Schleffer's comments on his family and the legacy in the league. They also discuss Stan Bowman's comments on Connor McDavid, Nick Robertson set for arbitration with the Maple Leafs and Dylan Samberg signing in Winnipeg.

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But you got there on time. Intact Insurance, your auto service ace. Certain conditions apply. Power to Overdrive continues powered by FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score brian hayes frankie carotto and look who we have in studio here dave nailer joining us they've you've been everywhere you're in l

but baltimore yesterday you're in dc the day before that i woke up in washington this morning but you're washing in this morning okay so you got out of baltimore you went down and you hit you basically left we were down we went sunday we did uh... the commanders on Monday in Baltimore yesterday afternoon and then we, Baltimore practiced at 1, 30, so they didn't wrap up till day, it was too late to get out. It was interesting, Washington moved their practice to 8 a.m. because of the heat.

And so like coaches availability was at 7.30, they're off the field at 9.30, we're taping our hit at 10 in the morning. That's amazing. 10 in the morning. That's amazing. 10 in the morning. That's like a spring training schedule. Like there's no better schedule than being a veteran in baseball. Oh yeah. Where you show up and you're like listen and they basically indicate how it's going to

work. Yeah. Like if you're a guy that's been in the league for 10, 12, 15 years like I will be there at 7, I'm going to stretch, I'll hit the cage, I'm going to do a couple of things, I have a tee time at 940. I will be out of here well and it's funny because you know during the time I've been doing NFL I got not that long I remember two a days like teams practice from 9 to 11 and 2 to 4 you know or something and of course the reporters all had to hang around but like NFL most of them the Steelers was

kind of interesting because Mike Tomlin purposely moved their practices to afternoon because he said last year they there wasn't enough heat right there to saw a plus on and he without being asked when i was there last week it was it was hot without being asked about it he made a point in his post practice thing of saying i thought the heat really helped us today we were better we were sharp yeah

but i don't i'm i think you could win a game in January because you practice in that middle of the Sun and kind of crazy that's a part of it exactly like there's if that happens in hockey there's guys him and and ha and guys are bitching about it like how does that go over with the football player dynamic are those guys bitching about it the same way I didn't catch any of that they you know they all kind of just you know went along with it I mean I think in when the head coach lays a line down like that for training camp it's kind of like especially when it's the idea that it's it's done with the mandate that we're gonna be tougher and better right it's a challenge

challenge yeah challenge yeah like last year we let you off the hook and we allowed you to you know basically prepare for the season in adequate weather now we're gonna really challenge you i would love to hear somebody from the sports science world tell you that you can get better by practicing in it that's it's just it's uh... it is an old-school football mentality alright like we're gonna put you through pain yeah and it is the polar opposite of what they're gonna see in december and january

you know it is it's uncomfortable like that feels like a very bella check yet of play yeah you know and and of play. And what I've witnessed throughout my years following the NFL, and as a Packer fan, I've been tracking their camp, and they've put a real emphasis on physicality and getting much tougher. And that was always the Belichick way. The secret sauce, obviously you have Brady,

and we'll get to Brady in just a moment. He had an interesting quote, and I guess guess piece of advice for Scottie Scheffler I'm curious how you stand on that But what Belichick always believed in was we have to be tougher than the other team and we have to be nasty you the intimidation counts and This is I guess a form of that Forcing your players to be uncomfortable and proving that it's not going to affect them.

Well, I'll tell you, a more dramatic example of that that we saw last year when we were at Detroit's camp, Davis Sanchez and I were there. And Davis is just freaking out because they're running like drills, tackling guys to the ground in August. That's old school. Well, I don't... Did they do that old school? Maybe they didn't even do that i i yeah i can't give us

a dissent i've never seen this before while guys being hit the backfield in like taken to the ground i don't want to draw any parallels with it and the rash of injuries that the lions had i don't know if that's how they practiced all year but it was it was like it stood out yeah question yeah well it's a part of it right like it's every every sport is a different surface and that's the beauty of football is that you can't predict the weather and the elements yeah I like Frankie you might prepare in

hockey for it being different on the road yeah compared to being at home like that's something you might maybe a practice and it's loud you know you blare music so that you have to get comfortable with that but even that haze that doesn't even really happen man it's. It's all kind of boilerplate stuff. The only thing that you would do different maybe in hockey is if you're doing special teams and you're on the power play, the coach might tell the penalty kill, we're not doing our penalty kill today.

We're doing the senator's penalty kill today. So because the power play has been struggling and this is what they got to see. It's pretty much it, man. Practice has been dropped to like, it's like 40 minutes, but it's hard now in the NHL. This is the reason why I think guys are having hip issues, wear and tear issues. It's not like you go out for practice and you go for a spin, a couple flow drills, maybe some special teams and get off. It's like they want you going hard for 40 and get off. It's like they want you going hard for 40 and

Get out of there and Me, I don't know. Maybe there's some teams in football that think the same way just like we got to practice harder Well, you can only practice so hard but because we want it We don't want to be so different when it comes to the game, right? Yeah, it's it's constantly evolving and every coach Obviously has a different viewpoint. I just referenced Belichick and I'll do it again because he used to like be seeking out rain I remember reading about that like oh bad weather we're practicing outside yeah like not we're not going in to protect you guys you got to get used to this because guess what on Sunday if it rains we're not going inside you're playing two two years ago I was at Houston Texans camp and I called them in

the mornings it was a hundred and seven are you guys inside or outside outside yeah hundred and seven yeah and they had they had like a tent that sprayed cool mist crazy so that reporters could like watch five plays and then go stand in the mist for 30 seconds and that's what you're doing that's wild I got dangerous stuff it is dangerous hundred and seven yeah dangerous but that's, that's, it's like the psychological buildup is a part of it. Dave Naylor in studio, Frankie Carrado Art. I want to read these quotes from Tom Brady. Tom Brady was doing an interview with The Source, I believe it was, a magazine, and he was, he was asked about Scotty Scheffler's comments prior to the Open

Championship where Scotty had said, this is not a fulfilling life you know it's it's just not fulfilling the sense of accomplishment and he went on to say his priorities are his family and his faith and golf is clearly a third and Brady seemingly has taken offense to this and responded by saying quote Scotty said he'd rather be a better father and husband than a good golfer. My question is, why are those mutually exclusive? Sure, they're different blocks on the pyramid, but they're both part of the same pyramid.

They're connected. For instance, I think part of being a great father is being a great example of doing what it takes to take care of your family. I chose to do it by playing football. My dedication to the sport, the hours of practice, the moments when I was laser focused, those were times when I believe I was doing the best possible thing for my family and my kids by prioritizing my profession and teaching by example what

it takes to be a really good at your job, what it takes to follow through on commitments and what it takes to be a great teammate and showing them also by example that work is a big part of all of our lives end quote. What I read into this and you guys tell me if I'm right or wrong on this and I'll bet you Brady's not alone. They took offense to Scheffler claiming basically what I think he took it personally that you what Scheffler was saying was Tom Brady freaks like Brady.

They're not good parents. They're not good husbands. they're not good parents they're not good husbands they're not good people they're just all they do is put everything into their career and he's not alone there's a lot of professionals in every single sport that I'll bet you heard Shephwin said shut up dude like don't don't think you're better than me and I'm not surprised this is his stance well like trying to qualify for a career where clearly he put his career first and he's admitting to it right here but claiming he did so intentionally because he thought it was for the best interest of his family life. And look I believe that what Tom Brady said would apply certainly to the first

two-thirds of his career. I'm not sure it applies to the last third. Like after you had 200 million in the bank I'm not sure you're saying you're doing it for the family. Right. Right. And after you you know in the commitment that the NFL takes it and I'm not trying to disparage any of these guys that want to play into their 40s in the NFL but there is something and this is something that makes athletes great and it also makes them different than the rest of us and Frankie jump in on this when I when I say this. When Tom Brady was in his forties and he made more money than most people ever and he'd won five super bowls he could have done anything in life anything the entire planet right

every continent and what did he want to do when another super bowl now i'm not sure that's actually the balanced rational choice, but it's his choice because that's the way he's wired and that's the way he's been living. But I don't know that, it's like Tiger Woods playing golf. Why is Tiger Woods still playing golf? You're the greatest golfer of all time. You're a billionaire now.

You're a billionaire. You were golfing on the Mike Douglas show when you were two. Like, is there anything else you'd like to do? Yeah, no, but that's the purpose. That's your purpose. They don't want to do. But that's the proof. That's your purpose. They don't want to do it. That's your purpose.

That's your purpose. That's what you've done since you were a kid. You're wired to do the same thing, whether it's hockey, golf, football. You've been doing that same routine. It's changed along the way and you got yourself to the apex. And you're like, I don't know anything different. I don't want to know anything different. This is what I love doing and this fills me with my purpose.

I think there's so much gray area when it comes to this conversation because Tom Brady is not wrong. You can be a great dad and you can be a great athlete and you can put your heart and soul into both. Being a great example at work is something that your kids will see. Being a great example at work is something that your kids will see. But if it spills over into all of a sudden, you're away for work and you're at the facility all day, and then I got to fly to a movie premiere or I got to go start doing frivolous things, then it's like, okay, I think that's where you can say it maybe slips a little bit. But as far as Scotty being at the range all day practicing that's i think i think tom brady's right about that like your you're trying to be

the best that you can possibly be at what gives you purpose in life outside of being a father that's fine yeah i i think the the other the other reaction that brady is putting forth here is that he can't comprehend but that what scot he's saying in terms of like you're you're at the top of your game almost you know what I would do to go back to be 28 again like Brady's basically saying I give it all up to go do it again all of it because I how could you possibly intimate that you

would leave this you're the man you're the number one player in the world you've worked this hard look who you are and I think that's why Scheffler's comments got the reaction it got. Why they're so unique because in sports in particular we are so accustomed to these again just freaks of nature. Brady at the forefront of that. Tiger at the forefront of that. LeBron James. These guys who we've known since they were like teenagers. In Tiger's case like he said seems he was like three or four years old LeBron since he was 12 or 13 and it all they know is I got a work work work play play play I got a win-win win and Schaeffler bucked that trend people being unbalanced now we'll see if he falls through on that it's one thing

to say it it's another thing to actually do it. But being unbalanced in your priorities is part of what leads to greatness. Like if you actually, if you think anybody who's been really great at sports, if they weren't obsessive, they never tapped their potential. I mean there may be guys, it's funny, there was a, I remember there was a Sports Illustrated article years ago about Larry Walker and the premise of the piece was Larry Walker grew up meh on baseball he was a hockey goalie got cut from the Regina Pats when he was 17 went okay you know I got my other sport I'll try that and he won an MVP went to the Hall of Fame and the premise of the piece was kind of how did Larry Walker become the best hitter at baseball kind of doing it yeah yeah well every kid in America is trying to you know be the next great hitter at baseball kind of doing it yeah yeah well every kid in America is trying

to you know be the next great hitter and those guys are rare right and I'm not I don't know Tener pretend to know Larry Walker story intimately but the point was he was not an all-in baseball guy most of his life before he became a professional and yet still managed it that's rare that is very very rare and that's more of a kind of non shalom attitude it to be respectful towards the crap now who knows what else he's doing it life

that's the that the amazing thing about these brady commons is that again he's i'd i think he takes offense to show her sure he's taking because he's taking that as an attack yeah like shefflers basically yes he's speaking of golf but you could apply it to any sport and he's just saying it's not fulfilling it's not what should matter and he wasn't lecturing because he was talking internally he was talking about himself in his own life he wasn't saying he's not wrong when I'll show that's the way he sees it totally

but if you are a guy like Brady who you know went obviously was uber obsessed with his craft you know and there were reports at the end that maybe Giselle said can you stop playing and he's like I'm playing yeah and they're not together anymore right and maybe that was a part of the reasoning was because Tom's like I'm going back to play and you know there's like you look at Tiger and his like like it's and these are the the cream of the crop but Scheffler's played himself into that and that's why his comments ring out so much and why a guy like Brady would even react Brady's not reacting to Scott you know gutter up

comments no you know what I mean or the best player in the world yeah he's not commenting on it on the 75th player in the world commenting on what he should be doing with his work-life balance he looks at Shephler as one of him himself he looks he sees himself in Scheffler and I think he's like, what are you doing? I can't, how do I, I can't comprehend what you're even talking about right now. And keep in mind, right, like if you want to be what Brady was or even what Crosby is right now, like pushing late 30s, you want to compete with the guys that are coming up, like

the young 22 to 25 year olds, guess what? You can't skip training sessions. You can't half ass it. You have to be all in committed the same way you were when you were in your 20s, or there's no point in you even doing it. So Brady had to do it. Crosby's got to do it. And Scheffler's young, but he'll get to a point where if he wants to maintain status at the highest level like the way Brady did in football he's gonna have to commit the same way he is right now because he's winning and there's probably a lot of work and you would know there's a ton of work that goes into that behind the scenes he'll have to maintain that if you if he wants to maintain you know what those guys have done and did in their careers ready you don't have to name names but did you ever

play with somebody in hockey who you saw their passion either for the sport or just being a professional hockey player in the lifestyle start to wane and maybe that you know crept into their game and they didn't get as long a run as they would have if they had been had the same passion

you know when they were in their early 20s you know what nail gun there's guys that honestly were in their mid 20s who hated hockey but were just good at it yeah right and and I think you can only get to a certain level that's that's your personality guys they didn't want to they didn't want anything to do with hockey outside of playing it didn't watch it didn't want to talk about it had no idea what was going around the league. They just knew that we practice tomorrow and we fly out and then we play the next day. And that was it. Whereas someone like Crosby, who I saw for a brief period of time,

there was no gym session or optional skate or practice too small for him. It was like he was all out for every single thing that he was doing and sure enough, like yeah, he's super skilled, he's gifted, but he's also the hardest working guy at any given moment. So that's what you get. Well, and that is another part of this that sticks out that I think Brady's talking about and I think he is speaking of this honestly and I think he's got a case to make that I might describe it as why you're like obsessed or you're crazy or you're so competitive which is true but he also has an incredible work ethic like in order for you to be Tom Brady

Tiger Woods Sydney Crosby Michael, you have to work so hard. You know, like there's videos of Wayne Gretzky out there and Dustin Johnson talking about it, like Johnson's obviously his son-in-law and he's, you know, when you first met Wayne and you were with Wayne, what did he always say? He's like, you gotta work harder than everyone else. You gotta practice, like you gotta be on it.

And I think that is probably where Brady's looking at this as well, he's like, dude, you, what are you talking about? Like, you have to be crazy in terms of gym practice, workout, that you got to be thinking about this constantly if you want to be at the top. Well, think of the one thing that separates Tom Brady from a lot of the other names. We've talked about Tiger Woods, Sidney Crosby, LeBron. He came from the back of the pack as a professional. Like LeBron was identifiable at 12. I'm sure Sidney Crosby was identifiable at nine. Yes.

Yeah, exactly. These were phenoms. Yeah, Tom Brady was not identifiable until Drew Bledsoe got hurt in 2001. I mean, it was obviously played at Michigan and he was a sixth round draft pick, but nobody saw a stardom. In fact, I covered the first Brady Super Bowl and it was my first Super Bowl I ever covered. And you know, it's hard to, it was a completely

different view of Tom Brady. He almost seemed like a college kid, you know, who'd been thrown into the mix of the biggest sporting event in North America and made good on it. But I remember reading a story after that season where Brady was basically saying I am absolutely determined to make sure I'm not a one hit wonder that I'm not gonna be a footnote in the NFL where it says remember who won the Super Bowl for the Patriots in 2000 remember who the quarterback was and that was bled no it wasn't bled so it was this Tom Brady kid it was a sick he started the game and they won right oh he was gonna be he was gonna be around forever and that was a serious conversation

about whether Tom Brady was just a blip because it is. He really is unparalleled when you think of the draft position. Like most of the superstars, I mean, and I'm not talking about great players, I'm talking absolute tier one. They're identifiable long before they become professionals and Tom Brady wasn't. No, he wasn't. Nailgun, in your experience, how quickly do the guys like, there's talented quarterbacks that get drafted every year, right? The guys that are just doing it for the paycheck that just show up, how quickly do those guys get weeded out, especially in the NFL?

I think extremely quickly. I mean, because the whole thing about quarterbacks, even, you know, we see this even even we're talking about guys who are advertised as the finished product by the time they come out of college like say Caleb Williams right there's a there's an enormous development role and a lot of it is commitment like in hockey I think you can get better by playing right because you play 82 games you practice but you also get better by playing. In football you know because they only play so many games, you're not going to play unless you're good.

So sometimes you have to develop in the meeting room, in practice, that's your primary development place, far more than in playing in games, where in other sports like baseball and hockey, I think where you've got so much volume of games, you can improve just by playing. And certainly there's some degree of that is football as well.

So it's not only just that you gotta love it and you wanna work at it, it's like you gotta work at it on the five days when there isn't a game, right? I always say, part of the reason I always believe football players love football more than any athlete love their sport is it's the only one that you gotta practice five times for every time you play it. Yeah, no kidding.

And be committed to that. So that's the part I think that really, you've heard the joke, right? Football players say, you know, you wouldn't have to pay me to play, you just gotta pay me to practice. And that's the part that really in football requires the commitment.

And you're right, when you're talking about quarterbacks, I mean, and I, CFL, NFL, I hear the same thing. A lot of times, you know, we don't always report this stuff because it's hearsay, but when you hear right guys struggling it's like he's not putting in the time you know he's not there's optional meetings he's not there you know he's not doing the extra film because there's the required stuff and there's the stuff you got to do to be great that's the crazy that's the truth of it man and in sports in particular you know it is even more

noticeable but in football you know it it is crazy how you hear stories of guys showing up at the facility at 430 in the morning you know and leaving at at midnight yeah on a Tuesday yeah during the season yeah yeah MLB Roy Halliday remember hearing stories he was there first showing up yeah we're 30 in the morning working out leaking be by the time anyone even got to the facility yeah yeah and you got to be self-driven you got it you got to have a passion for doing that there's a guy and I'll mention who said it to me one time is Jesse Lakata who played at Penn State get from Ottawa who's now an NFL free agent they give maybe back in a

camp and not too long he said to be great at sports and maybe he was talking about football maybe men in general he, you have to fall in love with boredom. And that's, that's hard for a lot of people. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Like you look at a guy like Brady and a guy like Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, like again, the, the kind of the guys at the top, the freaks of nature that, that did it all, that had it all.

Cause you, you hear a lot of athletes say like, you know, I'm not going to miss playing, I don't miss this. I don't miss that, I miss being in the room with the guys, or I miss being on the bus. I don't think that's the case for those guys. No. They miss playing. Yeah. Like Brady wants a two-minute drill in the Super Bowl more than being back on the bus with Gronk and the boys. Like he can live without that. That'd be cool too. Tiger Woods put him back on the first tee at Augusta with the lead on Sunday. That's what he wants. I mean, he doesn't want to be in the clubhouse having beers. The thing I always wonder about this is when you've done those things, what else

do you do in life that ever gives you that experience? You'll never find it again. That's the truth and that's why it's I think it's kind of depressing when you think of it. And I think a lot of guys, Frankie you can speak to this, have a difficult time transitioning back into the real world Because you're never gonna get that again where everything's on the line. You're playing in the Super Bowl Cup final You know us open you got the lead you can't nothing will replicate Oh, and that's nothing to do the one that's the one extreme right Hayes like does even just the bare minimum of That's the one extreme, right, Hayes? Like, even just the bare minimum of stepping onto the ice for warm-up and the music starts

playing and you hear that little rise out of the crowd, even something like that, you're like, you're never going to get that again. Never. And that's like the bare minimum. Right, exactly. Like warm-up is the bare minimum. To say nothing of scoring the game-winning goal or winning in overtime and celebrating with your team and you know the everything that comes with it it's it's an incredibly unique job that is quick you

know it's it's quick man you got you got ten years if you're lucky well I've always hear some guys saying football the one of things when guys retire from football is they never play again like hockey yeah like you know baseball but in football like I never play contact football if hockey? Yeah, pick up, you got it. Baseball, but in football, never play contact football again. You're a left tackle, you're never doing this again. You're not blocking TJ Watt ever again. With Dave Naylor in studio.

So of the research you've been doing, you've seen teams now up close and personal, do you have a read on where you think the NFL season's going? Do you have a team that you think is the team worthy of watching this year? I'll tell you, the team that sometimes when you start to pull back the layers and you go to camp and you talk to other reporters who have been with that team and certain teams

become more intriguing to you than you might have thought on the surface. And to me, the Steelers are that team. Like not just because of Aaron Rodgers. Like that part is obvious is obviously goes without saying that doesn't hurt that yeah that that doesn't and thank you for Aaron Rogers to walking up to the microphone scrum after his after his first practice and saying TSN is here though yes I don't know who got I don't got him to do that was pretty cool man that was really awesome but but it's looking at the Steelers adding John

New Smith on a team that already has Pat Friar booth so now they've got two high volume tight ends in that often and DK Metcalf and so it's like wow This is all of a sudden a very different team like in terms of not just the quarterback But the kind of offense they're gonna run and then you've got the dynamic we've got Aaron Rodgers who likes to take the ball in the shotgun like to survey the field you've got Arthur Smith and kind of the Steeler tradition that likes to ground and pound so where's that gonna sort of saw off and then defensively you know they've had Minkifitz Patrick is their

safety in their takeaway the deep ball guy and they swapped him for Jalen Ramsey and they've got Darius Slay right and Porter Jr. and Porter Jr. so the sense is that like the Steelers are going to basically be willing to play a little more risk at the deep end of the field because they're watching the trend in the NFL which is you know really moved more to throws around the line of scrimmage first ten yards get yak that's become the game more than it has become bombs away and all these guys are also versatile so you've got you know I see the same team and the same coaching staff it's not coming off a terrible year right they were in the playoffs yeah and yet they're gonna be

really different this year and you can talk yourself into the fact that the Steelers are gonna be good yeah. Yeah. Or maybe better. I think they will be. They're intriguing to me. I think they will be. Tough division, for sure. I want to take you way far away from Pittsburgh, go to the NFC. What's a reasonable expectation for the 49ers this year?

This is the year Brock Purdy's contract is kicking in. He's making the big money now. What can we expect? Because it wasn't good. It was 6-11 last year. You get my dude Farhan Lalji on the the phone he was just there last week so you didn't answer that that i don't know about my don't know i don't know i saw yeah i i did and i think there's still questions about purdy right like it's i mean they

had it's not quite the daniel jones situation where you know you gotta pay him and you kind of hold your nose and do it and pray and it didn't work out for the giants but i think there's there's that uh... boy and is funny to just saw Devo Samuel in Washington the other day so yeah I look I they would I don't think they're that far away but I think they are a team that has a much smaller margin of error than they had not that long ago I think they're in trouble and they were last in the NFC West last year they've you know that you saw it coming because they spent a lot of money the last couple of years and

Purdy was making nothing yeah and now it's flipped yeah Purdy's making a lot and they don't have money to keep the guys that they wanted to keep you still have Warner you still have Bosa but they're not young guys anymore and the Caffrey is like every year trust them every year that he plays yeah it because at some point people just gonna give up on you can't trust happen you can't trust them and that division I really like the Rams like they were great in a second they're like a they're like the sleeper team this year big-time man like that young defense they were electric down this they were they were the the team that

really jolted Philly more than anyone else in the playoffs Arizona Murray scares me a little but they've been building something down there. For a while. And if Darnold plays like he did last year, Seattle, they can win 10 or 11 games. I think the Niners are the worst team in the NFC West. I remember the moment kind of last season where you all of a sudden realize that the Niners might miss the playoffs. Because you come out of a Super Bowl. Right. It's so good for so long. And Shanahan's got that aura to him. Yeah, you're just kind of like, well, like it's not a question. There was a point in the season where you're like, this team might miss a playoff.

Yeah. Six wins, I think, last year. Unreal. Unreal. I remember when they came to Buffalo, got smoked in the snow when Josh Allen and Sean McDermott were doing snow angels. That's right. And Allen, I think he came out of the game in the second half. It was such a blowout. McAfrey got hurt. It was a nightmare for them. That was ugly. But Purdy, like now you're getting paid, man. Now it's, you're no longer Mr. Irrelevant and all that.

No, it's different. It's different in perception, it's different in pressure, and it's, as you point out, Hayes, it's different in the salary cap. Big time. Also different, he can afford his rent now, so that's nice for him. Yeah, that is nice.

Shout out to Brock Purdy. It is amazing how quickly stuff changes, like even being at Bills camp and my first year doing the Bills in this incarnation was three years ago and I remember Christian Benford was a sixth round pick out of Villanova. Now he's making 23 million a year. Pretty good. Pretty good. In three years. Yeah I know. You go from like NFL minimum that's what a sixth round would be. Yeah. The 23 million a year. Those are the cool stories like they're obviously you focus on the big guys and the stars and of course especially a fantasy being

so prominent now but you get some guy that was a sixth or seventh you know round or you know undrafted free agent that started on the practice squad and all of a sudden and he gets paid you're like what a story well it is funny because the bills are funny because that same year they took Kyrie a limit same position in the first round probably the worst bust in Brandon Beans tenure. Same draft they take a corner in the sixth round who's a top ten corner in the NFL so are the Bills good or bad at scouting corners? Right exactly. There's a lot of random points I'll tell you though being down that Ravens camp man have they hit

on draft. They're good. Holy smokes. Eric DeCosta, picking up from Ozzie Newsom, they have just hit and hit and hit and hit. Well the best teams, that's what they do. They draft, develop, you know, they don't focus necessarily on free agency. They will, they'll delve in, but not trades and free agency necessarily. It's, you gotta build from within.

Draft, develop, and then pick the ones you're gonna keep. And if you're really, really good at it, you can't keep them all. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Baltimore, they're gonna be a really good team. Really good team. All right, Neil Gunn, great seeing you, man. Hey, yeah, good to be in the studio. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, we got to do this more often. Whenever you're around, just

let us know. Absolutely. We're here. I'll drop in. I know where you are. You know where we are. There he is, Dave Naylor, a TSN football insider. All right, role play level of concern coming up later this afternoon. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 4. It's estimated the amount of personal savings needed to retire comfortably is $756,000. 77% of Canadians between 55 and 69 are worried they won't get there, while 32% nearing retirement

have nothing at all saved. Are you on track? Time to book a retirement checkup with Kelvin the Money Guy. With an investment strategy and solid advice, you'll feel better knowing your retirement years will be golden. Call 416-457-PLAN or visit askkelvin.ca. All right, roleplay level of concern in about an hour. MLB trade deadline tomorrow. Jay's obviously made a move yesterday Sir Anthony Dominguez being added to their bullpen the Jay's winning today but we're waiting on more there's got to be more you have to acquire more arms you

have to like I'm sorry if you don't Ross Atkins marks your power just gonna get destroyed deservedly so you've got to add more arms. Right back into the firing line there's been so much goodwill that has come of the Jay's success this season and They're in a spot that a lot of people didn't think they were gonna be you're up on the Yankees right now four and a half Games a chance to win the AL East you have to Doesn't have to be all in like that's a crazy term that we use all the time But you got to make some kind of significant move here or moves to actually say, you know what, we're going to take advantage of this thing because you just don't know when you're going to get this situation again.

Yankees, Rays, Sox, even the Orioles for that matter, they were really good last year. All those teams can find a way to turn it around in the AL East. Yeah. You look at the rest of the American League, we were talking about the last hour, Tigers, good team, Jay's just laid a beating on them three out of four. Yes, they've got Scoobble, you're not going to acquire anyone that's even close to him between now and tomorrow. But once you get past Scoobble, all bets are off in terms of what the Tigers are going to throw at you.

Houston, the same thing, they have a couple of really solid starters to begin the rotation clearly, but and they got a championship kind of pedigree down there that's been around for a while but go find somebody go go find at least one more arm at least one more arm and I would be shocked if they did in between now and tomorrow and the prices are gonna be high but that can't scare you you your team has proven to you that they are deserving of it. They're deserving of a boost. And I don't need to see any more bats. I don't need to see more flexibility in the lineup. Varsho's going to return. Kirk's going to be here again soon.

Springer's going to be back soon. It sounds like these guys are a day or two away from being activated again and being prepared to play. So I think you've dodged a couple of bullets there. Just arms, arms, arms, arms. Gotta do it. Earlier, I would have said, man, that class A in Cleveland, that would be a nice arm to have. I don't think you can say that right now about him. You can't acquire a guy who's on administrative leave because he might be throwing pitcher

props. You know, it's just, that would be one that would be difficult to I know that office wouldn't allow for that's that's just that it's completely off the table but I just it's it's wild that that that became a thing right it wasn't that long ago we were talking about Otani's henchmen there I know and now here like there was the basketball guy the guy that played for the Raptors Porter John Tate Porter yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. And now, and Claus A, like, he was in the all-star game. He's a stud, dude. Dude, a couple years ago, all-star game, he goes on the mound, he's pitching a hundred, there's heat coming out of the thing, and you're like, that guy's unbelievable, and

he's throwing balls in the dirt for no good reason. Tough, man. Like, that just jamming Cleveland up, like,. Like just a complete jam job. And yeah, he's he's gonna pay a price, you know, at some point and obviously he's not pitching right now, but he's not going to be traded. So yeah, you got to go out and find somebody else. And there's a number of names out there that we've talked about, we've heard about, and we'll continue to buzz about. But the Jays are, you're in the driver's seat. It was a big win today. Big seventh inning, Bobashek completely redeeming himself considering the way he played last night.

And you walk out of Baltimore, sure you lose the series, but at least you got a win today. You stop the bleeding, it's all good. But more on that into the next hour. And again, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Blue J trade or at least a significant rumor between now and seven o'clock. So we'll keep you updated on what's going on there. We were talking earlier about Dylan Sandberg, defenseman for the Winnipeg Jets, avoiding arbitration, getting himself a three year deal

at just under six million per good player. You know, they were a really good team last year and feels like if you're in Winnipeg, it's kind of similar to the Maple Leafs in terms of trying to keep as much of the band together as you can. You know, Marner leaves here, Ealers leaves Winnipeg it's kind of similar to the Maple Leafs in terms of trying to keep as much of the band together as you can. You know Marner leaves here, Ehlers leaves Winnipeg. Really good regular season last year, really good regular season team for a number of years. You're just, you're banking on a magical offseason or magical postseason run. One. That's it, right? Like dynasty's out the out the window, it's not gonna happen. If you're in Winnipeg, you're just...

You're rolling the dice that Hellebuck is going to snap out of it in April, May and June. Yeah. That's what you're banking on. You're going to retain your talent because the fact of the matter is for Winnipeg is they do draft well, their general manager has done an excellent job in trades that have kind of been forced upon him, and they've done a good job of retaining talent like two years ago they retained their number one center and number one goaltender like that was huge Josh Morrissey Neil Pionk now Dylan Sandberg although he's an RFA Velarde RFA the point is a lot of

guys have chosen to resign in Winnipeg like Kyle Connors coming up we'll see how that goes but given what everyone in front of him has said outside of Ehlers who clearly just wanted to play somewhere else, it's a pretty good chance that Kyle Conner would stay in Winnipeg. But they fall into that same category of Toronto where it's like, show us in April. Now they won a round and Conner Hellebuck had his ups and downs, but that's the big thing man. He's got to play the same way he plays in the regular season in the playoffs or else there's just only so far the team can go.

Absolutely, man. You, you, it is such a drop off. It's almost, it's almost shocking. Like he is the clear cut best goalie during the regular season. Year after year, after year, he's back to back vest and the winner. He just won the heart. You know, it's, it's like, it it's right there for him and then you get to the playoffs in the guys numbers he's getting pulled every other game every

other every other game you wrote could get in court do it on the road literally couldn't win on the road he's a he's an unbelievable goaltender he was very deserving of all the hardware this year yeah i always kind of wonder like if you switched out hellebuck and put him on a below average team. Winnipeg is one of the best teams in the NHL. They scored a lot this year. Powerplay was great. They had a lot of things going. It wasn't just Hellebuck. What would he do on the Islanders? And what would Sorokin do on the Winnipeg Jets? You know there's always that at play as well but he's a very very good

goaltender. Yes it is valid he's definitely he benefits from the system he benefits from his surroundings I don't think there's any disputing that but you know at the same time you get to the playoffs, it flips, right? The whole focus goes to him, deservedly so, and he's got to change that. But I like them, obviously, avoiding arbitration, and now the only player in the league who is going to arbitration is Nick Robertson of the Maple Leafs. It's on the books. It's on the books.

It's on the books. It doesn't mean it will get there. August 3rd, I believe, so next week they're gonna they're gonna you know come together and try to figure this out and sort it out but uh... i wouldn't be surprised if it goes to arbitration you know i'm not sure if the lease would want to lose out on that flexibility uh... because once it goes there in a number is determined then you you're gonna stick with it but uh...

here's the thing about like the player going arbitration it's one thing toration it's one thing to file it's one thing to have like you know a little bit of a thought or a feeling on what you deserve and you don't want to be taken advantage of to sit in that room and have to see it and hear it face to face is no good and if it's like you know if it's the difference between 1.8 that you know Robertson wants or 2 million Robertson wants and the Leafs wanting to pay him 1.5 or 1.4

I think if you're the player you just kinda have to cut your losses and say I'm coming at 1.5 all I can ask for is an opportunity and I'm gonna try and get you guys on the next one. I just don't think 500 grand is a lot of money in the grand context of life for a player like in the NHL. I think that's one of those ones where you just say, I got to take the opportunity here and I got to get you on the next one where we're not really haggling over this type of money. Yeah.

I think you're probably right. Now it's his career and he feels like the Leafs maybe don't give him the opportunities, although I thought they gave it to him early last year. He had a great camp. He started in the lineup. He played and he played himself out of the lineup and certainly come playoff time. He was in and out, in and out. I don't think he's got a great case, certainly not for a long-term deal at that significant money uh... and i don't know what his future is going to look like but i i would tend to agree with you i mean the lesser

they're still in the driver's seat when it comes to nick robertson he's got a proving to be an everyday guy uh... now you mentioned calcona a moment ago and now that they've got sam burton i would have to believe that's the new that's the next like big thing for kevin shovel they often company try to get out in front of his UFA status next summer like you've got to keep Connor he's one of the five or

six best pure goal scorers in the game drafted developed you know falls in line with everything you just said about them keeping their own homegrown talent dealers just walked out you do not want to do that two years in a row if you're in Winnipeg. So I'm sure they're doing everything they can to get him on a long-term deal and it's going to cost a lot of money. Same thing would certainly apply in Edmonton because we're almost into August. On Friday it's August and McDavid still has not signed an extension out there.

Their GM, Stan Bowman, was on Oilers today with Bob Stauffer. Here's what he had to say about where the negotiations currently stand. We're very encouraged by all the conversations I've had to date. And when the time comes, the time comes. You know, so I don't have a timeline update, but I do expect, you know,

to have some conversations with them soon and hopefully get that wrapped up. So, you know, that's kind of what you'd expect to hear. It's always positive conversations. Everyone's having a great time. I'm pretty sure Dry Suttles getting married. I think they're over in like Paris or something like that. So I don't know if McDavid's really in a state to... Following the Instagrams? Yeah, no, yeah, just heard through the grapevine that there's some stuff going on over there. And I'm pretty sure the big guy's getting married pretty soon. So McDavid's somewhat preoccupied, not that his agent clearly can't take care of business,

but I think we're getting to a point where no one's anticipating it's an eight-year deal. Could be wrong, but I think that would be the surprise now. It's an eight-year contract. Yeah. It kind of feels like it's going to be a three or four year deal and it's going to set a new mark. What do you think that number is going to look like? What do you think his per year cap hit is going to be?

It's got to be north of 16. It's got to be north of 16. The cap this year is 95.5. Next year is going to be roughly 104. It's got to be north of 16 and it probably is going to be less than 18. So somewhere between 16 and 18, which skyrockets him past Dry Settle, clearly. Dry Settle is at 14. He's the pace car in the league for the highest paid player.

A good Jerry's will be whether or not there'll be multiple players making more than Dry Cytle next year because I get the impression in order for Kaprizov to stay in Minnesota might cost him 14.5, 15 million. Yeah. Would Jack Eichel demand 14.25 in Vegas? See that's the no state tax thing about Vegas though. He can take less there sign is extension possibly money possibly does he want to though that's always been my stance like yes he can you know all of them can but they also could say i don't care about the state

tax i want the percentage of the cap pay me for a make even more money you know it yet as i think with that the state tax thing as long as you get your no movement clause which someone like jack eichel will and should get because other guys were you know not even close to eichel get it then you're probably okay with it but you do have to live with vegas is cut throat and if something happens like they are willing to do whatever uh... the

capri's off thing though i think think that's one where he has them. Like Kaprizov really has Minnesota. They have never had a player like Kirill Kaprizov. And it's not like guys like that just, you don't get them very often. And one of the top five best players in the NHL, when he's healthy, that's the thing though, he struggles sometimes staying healthy. You gotta consider that. He could name his number and say, you know what guys, you're Minnesota, I'm Kirill Kaprizov,

you need me more than I need you. And it's gonna be a big juicy number. I wouldn't be surprised. That would remind me of like Vlad E with the Blue Jays. What are you gonna do you gotta pay it because you just it's hard for you to get a lead talent to have it you have to retain it yeah i wouldn't be surprised at all capri soft was this second highest paid

player in the league next year you know any shouldn't be because the great player is clearly he's not better than dry saddle or mckinnon or mccarr quinn user matthews stuff are's not far. He's a winger. He's not healthy. Not healthy a lot, you know, but he's a really good player. But that that comes down to leverage and the situation. And I think you're right.

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uh... alright so we've got some deals cooking in Major League Baseball and the prices are sky-high Matt's acquired Tyler Rodgers from the Giants and they had to give up three pieces to get them and everyone's already jumping online and saying man people throughout the league can't believe it well that's the price of doing business you want one of these three or four big bullpen arms that are available that are actually pitching well this year that you'll feel pretty good about acquiring you're gonna have to pay a premium and that's the question for the Blue Jays here over the next you know 20 hours or so do you have

the stomach to do it? Are you gonna put in pieces that you were not overly comfortable giving up, but if you want the guy, you're going to have to pay the price. And it's not surprising, I guess, if prices are high that it's the Mets that are going to dip their toe in and say, we'll go first. We're going for it. We'll do it because they'll spend as much money as anyone. And I guess when it comes to acquisition costs, they're like, well, we're going to be aggressive

and spend more than anyone, let's give up more than anyone to bring in who we think is going to help us win. Yeah. And you know what? I respect it. Like that's saying, like we are actually all in on this thing. That's their attitude. You give a guy $765 million, you better not stop there, right? Like you're all in on winning a World Series.'s the plan that's the objective for Steve Cohen like once he gets one if they get one he'll figure it out beyond that but they are hyper focused on this season

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