OverDrive - OverDrive - July 30, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Frank Corrado for Hour 3 on OverDrive! Baseball Today and Dugout Discussions Host Chris Rose joins to discuss the biggest MLB trade deadline moves, Steven Kwan on the Blue Jays' radar and the bullpen trade market. They go around the sports world in the latest edition of Role Play Level of Concern and Hayes hands out his FanDuel Best Bets.

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Or Boba Shett. You know, I said earlier, I think his hit in the seventh inning today was the biggest hit of the season for him, considering the way. the game went last night, where it was a really ugly outing for Beau, struck out three times, oh for five. Game on the line in the ninth inning last night,

one of the worst that bats you'll ever see. He's an uber aggressive hitter. He always has been. He always will be, and he steps up tonight. Same scenario, right? They're losing 5'4 at the time. Second and third,

only one out, but a huge single-up to middle. Caches both runs. Nathan Lucas hits a three-run, home run later that inning, and the rest is history. The J's stopped the bleeding today. Mandatory.

Mandatory. Much needed, and you know what, for Bichette specifically in that situation, confidence like in sports, but baseball is no different, can be so fickle, right? Like one situation where you do something where he has that swing and miss last night, the ball is like an outer space, he's nowhere near it. Something like that for an athlete, like that can cascade into a couple bad at bats. And next thing you know, you're looking down like a hitless streak that goes quite a while. Bichette doesn't allow that to happen.

He stays hot with runners in scoring position. He's back at it. The Js get a huge win. And now, I guess we just wait and see what happens with the trade deadline and see what kind of reinforcements this team is going to get because they do deserve it. They deserve something that helps bolster them because they've put themselves in a great spot. And they've earned their way to where they are. Yeah, GMs say that all the time. You know, like I believe in my guys.

I believe in this team. Meanwhile, they're really saying they need to continue to prove that. Like, it never stops. You break spring training and you're like, I believe in this group. Okay, let's see, right? Everyone's tied. Everyone's zero and zero in the standings. But now you're this deep into the season.

The Jays have played really well. They've got a four and a half game lead on the Yankees. They're leading the division. They got a real chance of avoiding the wild card round altogether, right? You've got to keep pace with the Tigers, the Houston Astros. But you get a real opportunity to make this a magical season. and bringing in Sir Anthony Dominguez, that's a good start. And he looked pretty good yesterday.

Definitely a good start. But you've got to keep adding. You have to be willing to pay the price. You have to. And this team has proven that they're worthy of that because I would guess they're flying back to Toronto. They're off tomorrow. They're sitting there waiting.

You got less than 24 hours to do business now. And if it's a game of chicken, I get it, and you're waiting to see if the other teams are going to blink. And I just don't see it happening. I think if you're waiting for the last minute for whichever team, St. Louis, Minnesota, Arizona, whoever you're dealing with Pittsburgh to drop their price, I'm not sure it's going to happen.

I just don't see it happening. That one actually freaked me out because I wasn't prepared for that. I like it. I was brother coming out of left field. But you have to be, you have to be like, get on it right now. Get on the price, exactly. Even if it's an overpayment, who cares if you get the guy and you improve your baseball team

and you give your your crew an opportunity to win go for it and that's all those guys would that's all those guys would be wanting uh the guys that are on the field the guys that are doing it every day and they deserve that opportunity so we'll see man like i know every front office has their strategy their game plan this is how we operate these are the things we tend to want to do like for these guys they always want guys with with term on their deal because they want the cost control and that's fine but i think there's always those like one-off moments where you have to treat it as a one of one and this might be one of those where you say you know what this is a not at all in but a whatever it takes and and we need to

we need to do something and if it's away from our normal philosophy so be it like we we we just we can't stand pat and do nothing and just say you know come out here and say we believe in these guys and they're going to have to do it because i think that would be those would be hollow words because we all know that there needs to be something in the rotation and maybe something in the bullpen as well. And yes, it's going to cost you a fair amount. It's not going to cost you everything you have

in your system. It's not. And you look again, I don't think if you acquire an extra bat or a defensive upgrade or a base running upgrade, that's a bonus. I don't think it's mandatory and I think if they cruise through the deadline tomorrow and they do not acquire a Stephen

Kwan or whatever, I don't think anyone cares. Because your bats have been great. You've got flexibility. You've got left and right-handed hitters. You've got reinforcements coming back with injuries. It's clearly about the pitching. It's clearly about maybe trying to find another starter. I think that would be beneficial.

But for me, just continue to bolster your bullpen. Get the best bullpen you can have. Be five or six bullpen arms deep and play it out from there. To chat about what he may expect over the next 24 hours, where he stands on the Js and the way they've been playing recently, among other teams, and not only in the American League, but of course the National League as well. Here he is.

Chris Rose, he's been on the show many times from dugout discussions and baseball today. He's also on the NFL network. He's everywhere, and he's back on overdrive. How you doing, Chris? Good. How are you? We're doing very well. Where do you see this going over the next 24 hours if you're looking into the crystal ball and you think the Blue Jays, very good team, playing really well, leading the American League East?

what would you hope to see happen over the next 24 hours? Yeah, I think Sir Anthony Dominguez was a really good start. I would keep going that direction, definitely. I think he'd just keep adding to that bullpen. I think that's the biggest area of need. I will say this, that even though the offense, I think, has been pretty good. There's no question. And I actually came out on my social media and talked about how the guardian

cannot trade Stephen Kwan without really alienating a fan base, and I truly believe that, that he would be perfect for your team. Perfect. From a baseball standpoint.

He is such a tough out. He is such a grinder. He's got over an 800 OPS in the playoffs. So he's battle tested, unlike a lot of your guys at a high level that haven't made a deep run in the playoffs you know he is he is everything about that and then some so i actually think that

he's he's a great fit for you guys what kind of appetite do you think the blue jays front office would have for a fairly high or even if you want to call it an astronomical acquisition cost for a player that's truly going to help them like that well the problem is i don't know i don't think it makes sense from the guardian standpoint so i just you know unless i'm off base. It looks like six or seven of the top eight prospects that the Blue Jays have are pitchers, and

the guardians need hitting in the worst way. And it looks like your top prospect is a 19-year-old shortstop, which I don't know if that's going to be a tough sell to the city of Cleveland. But if you're

Toronto, why wouldn't you go for it? Like, who gives it damn about the rest of this stuff? It's been 32 years since you've made a World Series, if you were to list the teams in order of best to 10th best right now, I don't think that that distance is a wide margin at all. So what I'm saying is, is go for it. We'll figure out 2026 when we get there. And why not? Give your fan base something really to be excited about here. That's another component that it can complicate things,

that there's a real bonus in terms of buzz, in terms of tickets, in terms of merchandise. It was 10 years ago, I believe today they acquired David Price. And 48 hours later or whatever it was, they went out and got Troy Tillewitzky. And that was Bedlam. I can't even tell you what it was like in Toronto. I'm sure you can understand, Chris. I mean, it was just crazy.

And all of a sudden, prices here and Toulos. here, and they go on this unbelievable heater, and they go to back-to-back ALCS, and that generates such an incredible amount of excitement where I could see the owner, which is always sticky, and you never really want to get there if you're a GM. You don't want the owner sniffing around, but I'm sure he's sitting there saying, listen, we're four and a half up on the Yankees. Buildings sold out every night. You add two or three pieces of prominence, like a Kwan and whoever it's going to be out of the bullpen. Man, this city will explode. So, A, it makes you better, B, you're that much closer to winning,

but C, your fans are going to be so activated. There's a lot of value on that from every single layer. Yep. There's a lot going on. You're right. There's a business component to every decision you make. But, you know, the business becomes more fruitful, the deeper run you make in the playoffs.

So it's really about what makes your team the best. And there are, you know, a certain number of pieces. is like I said, I like the Dominguez trade. He's a heavy strikeout guy. He can also be a little nerve-wracking in terms of the plate moving on him, particularly in October, so that can get a little tough. But overall, I like that move a lot. And I just think it's a good, good start.

With Chris Rose. Yeah, I'm with you. And your assessment of, you know, the American League in particular has been very consistent with what we've been talking about with other. people when we've had them on. The two of us have been discussing. I guess the Tigers, Houston, the J's, Yankees, maybe Seattle, maybe Boston, Texas

if they get hot. Like it just it doesn't, there's no pace car right now. There's no one that I can sit here and say, I guarantee you that's the best team in October. So why wouldn't it be the Blue Jays? Why not put your chips in? Yeah. Yeah. There's not a team that they're going to

be terrified of. I think Detroit can get a little tricky in a short series if it goes five games because Scoobol is such a dog, you know, and he could just, a guy throws strikes and he challenges you. So if you get quick outs, he could still be in there in the eighth inning. And that can terrify you a little bit. It did me last year as a Cleveland fan, right? I mean, we had to beat him in game five and we ended up doing it.

It's not, you don't want to make a living out of that. But that's what I would say. It's just, I think it's worth. it people say oh we're giving up so much guys there's teams give up top prospects all the time and some of them turn into great great players it does happen but so many of them don't and wouldn't you rather have a guy that has made it at this level regardless of contract length and i know you have to measure it you know every deal is its own vacuum so i understand that But there's no reason for Toronto not to go for it.

How do you assess Vladdy's season so far? You know, 15, I believe 15 home runs on the year. Like, not really knocking it out of the park, but it's been a really good ballplayer for them. In Toronto, do we maybe have too high of expectations for what he is as a power hitter? Or is he, you know, underachieving, I guess, with the power game, but is bringing other things to the table

that helps the Blue Jays be a good team? Yeah, he's had a really good year. Now, would I have ever paid a guy $500 million? Probably not, but I always measure that this way. Does it prevent you from doing business elsewhere? And that's the only answer. So when Steve Cohen pays $765 that's going to end up being $800 million for Juan Soto, is that going to prevent him from making other moves? I presume not. The question I always had with the Vlad deal was if you're going to give him this amount of money, does that mean that you have to cut back elsewhere? And people can say whatever they want. They're like, well, they said that it's not. Well, saying and doing a couple of years down the road are two totally

different things. So I don't think he'll ever be like a consistent show Hey Otani, Aaron Judge, Juan Soto, high 900. He could have seasons like that. And we've seen him. have seasons like it. But right now he's like 865 OPS really good. Strike out to walk ratio one to one. That's elite stuff, particularly out of a guy that can park it. He's got almost 40 extra base hits. So he's going to have, you know, 55 extra base hits this year. That's going to be pretty solid. That's all good stuff. It just, it might not ever be elite elite on a consistent basis. I think there's going to be elite years. And I just think as long as you kind of go into the mindset, knowing that, then that's good enough.

Well, and I think in terms of what you're saying about, you know, the Vladi payments, not having an effect on the payroll, I think it comes down to wins and losses. Like, that's when it will be challenged. If they're a really good team, keep spending because we're going to keep making money. The issue is if they, if they sink at any point in the next 13 or 14 years, they'll hold that against whoever is the GM, whoever is the president here, where I think that's probably different with Cohen. Like, Cohen will just spend his way out of that.

Like, there won't be dips. So just keep spending and spending and spending. Yeah, he doesn't care. No. He doesn't, he just, there is no bottom to his vat of money. Well, and you look at what the Mets did today, they acquired Tyler Rogers from the Giants, who's been red-hot this year,

but they gave up a lot to get them. and that's the buzz around baseball. If you want to go get, you know, a guy who's high leverage that's really going to bolster your chances of winning, you've got to pay a lot. I kind of have an appreciation for the Mets. Like that really falls, that's clearly permeating from the top down. Go get Soto.

Go get this guy. Go get that guy. Give up these guys. Like, they're all in to win it. And they're a better team today than they were yesterday, regardless of how much they paid. Yeah, and it's, so there's two ways to look at it. One is the Mets Stevie Cohen way, which is, well, we can afford to give up prospects because

guess what? We're going to go get proven major leaguers in the free agent market regardless. And then let's remember the one thing he said at the beginning of his Mets ownership, we want to be the East Coast version of the Los Angeles Dodgers. And the reason the Dodgers have been so successful is a couple of things. Number one, they are willing to spend whatever money they have to. but really at the bedrock of their foundation is the fact that they draft and develop extremely well

they have in trades they've given away a ton of players that have made it at the major league level and for some organizations that would kill them because teams would look back and they said oh we could have had all this cheap labor and gotten great production look at what it's done to us but the Dodgers just say you know what we're so good at drafting and developing We'll just do it again down on the farm.

And they do. They always have one of the top five to seven farm systems so that when they need pieces like they do right now, they are able to go out and meet the asking price for whatever it is on top of being able to add through free agencies. You know, now that we're talking out West, we're talking Dodgers, is it the most, you know, Padres thing ever, that they're actually having a pretty good season.

They got 59 wins, but they're still four games back of the Dodgers who, you know, by all accounts, they were kind of spinning their wheels a little bit. They were three and seven over ten games and then won some in a row, but they're like, yeah, we're not playing great baseball, but they're just still ahead of the Padres who, you know, are just under 60 wins. Yeah, I mean, the Dodgers were having a good year. You know, we expected them and we talked about it at the beginning of the year. can they get past 116 wins. And I really don't think that they cared about it. I just think they want to get the healthiest 26 guys they can to October. So I really don't think they care if they win the division by three games or 17 games.

They just don't care. But the Padres, it's not like that. I mean, the Padres have been a good baseball team. You could make an argument that they were the second best team in baseball year ago. that they just ran into the Dodgers in the divisional round in a five-game series, right? They led that thing two games to one, and the Dodgers were staring at a bullpen game. And when you talk to the Dodgers after the World Series, they said they were most scared of the San Diego Padres. So the Padres are, like, they're in good shape.

If they get to the playoffs, which I think they will, no team's going to want to play them, because I think that Preller is going to do something nuts over the next 24 hours. and what I mean nuts, like fun for his team and fun for us to watch. Could he trade Dillon C's? Yes, but could he end up bringing in Sandy Alcantra on the other side of it? He could. With Chris Rose, well, in terms of the Dodgers, you got Otani back on the mound tonight. I think this will be his seventh start, and he's, you know, he's creeping out. He actually made his first start against the Padres about a month ago.

You know, his numbers are great. He's now going about three innings, maybe 10. tonight. I don't know. Does he go four innings? How many pitches is he going to get up over 50 tonight, 55, 60? Where do you stand on that projection? O'Tonnie, as a starter, now that we're almost into August? Well, once again, it's unlike anything we've ever seen because the rest of these guys who are trying to come back from arm surgery

and we can focus on a guy that's near and dear to my heart and Shane Bieber, who's made a handful of rehab starts now. He's doing it out of sight, out of mind in the minor leagues. Shohayotani, they can't afford to do that. He's got to hit five times a game on top of it. It's just incredible when you really think about what he is doing. He is rehabbing at the major league level. Who does that?

It's crazy. So they just want to be able to build him up so that if he can, give them six innings in a playoff start in the divisional round, great. You know, I don't know if you guys saw the news, but Blake Snell's going to make his first start this weekend since early April. These are, you know, these are all big things. Tyler Glass now has been back for a couple of starts and pitched okay last night, but pitched exceptionally well in his previous start against the twins where he struck out 12. The Dodgers, they like it when they're playing well at the end of July, but if you ask, if you ask them, if they were

hooked up to the lie detector. They would tell you we need to be moving in the right direction from September 20th on. And I have full faith they will do that. And I think most people do. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's the truth. That's the way they operate. He is Chris Rose. Great catching up with you, Chris. We appreciate you doing this. My pleasure, guys. Take care. Good luck at the trade deadline and keep your hands off Stephen Kwan. Yes, we will do our best to do all. of that. Thank you. There he is. Native of Cleveland, big Guardians fan. And, you know, Kwan's

a name that's been linked here also because of the Shapiro and Atkins' connection to Cleveland. You know, he's a lead-off hitter. He said he grinds. He battles. He has playoff experience. So I could have seen that. Like, you talk about a massive package.

If Klaz-A wasn't dealing with what he's dealing with right now, if you brought in Klazai and Kuan, you'd have to pay a fortune for that clearly. A fortune, including ready-made, you know, MLB players, you know, like Nathan Lucas is going the other way, Lou Perfito's going the other way, and,

you know, your top prospects going the other way. But I don't know if Kwan, you know, on its own makes sense. But we'll see, because Shane Bieber's also, you know, he's working his way back from Tommy John. It sounds like he's going to be prepared to pitch at some point

by the end of the season. There's a guy who's won a Cy Young before. Like, if you, that's a gamble. Bieber and Kwan, and you've got to pay a hefty price, that would be a crazy trade. You know what we never really talk about in all this, is that if Alec Manoa was healthy and there, like they really wouldn't need anyone in the rotation. They would just be adding a bullpen arm. I don't know.

It seems like such a long time ago that Alec Manoa was such a force, like just operating at such a high level, the ace for this rotation. And now, I just don't know if we ever, I don't know if we ever get back there. I don't think he can rely on it. I mean, the reality is I don't see him factoring in this year. I think he'd have to get through this season in the minor leagues. And then next year, return to camp, be healthy, and prove he can be a guy that he can rely on. Oh, it feels like it's light years away.

Yeah, it is. Unfortunately, it's just the truth. Before he got hurt, like, there was performance issues for sure. And then the health stuff, the Tommy John, that doesn't, that doesn't, that doesn't, help but holy smokes man if you had him the way he was his first year when he hopped onto the scene as

you know in that rotation yeah that's a lot of problems for you yeah like he was your horse man he started game one of the wild card against Seattle but that was three years ago you know and the wheels have fallen off ever since and yeah injuries and performance but you're right like that felt

like a ready made homemade ace you know you push gosman down barrios down like everything was going to stack up perfectly, but we don't live in a perfect world. That said, you know, who saw Addison Barger playing the way he's playing Nathan Lucas, playing the way that he's playing. Ernie Clement, you know, I had a couple of big hits today. So, yeah, like, you got Lou Perfito hitting lead off today and Ernie Clement hitting second, and Nathan Lucas hitting a game-winning home run. So guys come and go. That's the reality of it. Yeah, it's pretty remarkable, too.

and the low perfido, like, comes in the Kikuchi trade, who, like, remember that trade when that went down, I thought, like, the Jay's got a lot for you say Kikuchi. He was pretty highly coveted, and now a piece that came back the other way is, like, he's been quite the factor, man. He's been very consistent, and, like, he's a ball player every day of the week. Ken Rosenthal tweeting out that the Phillies are close to acquiring Johan Duran from the twins. So there's a big, you know, stud arm that was available that appears to be on his way to Philly. We'll see what they're paying in return for him, but that was the guy that maybe some people were linking to the Blue Jays.

We had Dallas Braden on a couple hours ago. He mentioned him. It's like, who would you rather have, Duran or Hoffman, highest leverage moments in the playoffs? He chose Duran. I think most people would consider what's going on with both guys. But it doesn't appear as if he's on his way here. He's going to be flying over Toronto. on his way to Philly.

There's that like punch, counter punch, right? Like the Mets make a big deal. They acquire someone who's half game back, the Phillies. It's like we're not giving up in the arms race because Phillies are, like, Philly's got a lot of jam, man. That team come playoff time, like it feels like they thrive in those types of moments. The Harper's and the Schwabers and yeah, yeah, Yon Duran. Again, we'll see what the Phillies are paying, but you're right,

the Mets go out and get Rogers and they get Dorent. And his stats have been phenomenal this year. He's got a 2ERA. You know, he's healthy, strikes out a ton of guys, big bullpen arm, and he's on his way from Minnesota to Philly, according to Ken Rosenthal.

So if you're the Jays, you know, you've got to find something here, man. Like, you've got to be active. You've got under 24 hours. You're not the only teams in the hunt. The Yankees are still out there. The Sox, Houston. Detroit, I think, will still be active.

Seattle could be active, and that's, we haven't heard from the Dodgers yet either, right? They got all those guys injured. Yeah, exactly. But the Dodgers might step in and say, you know what we're going to do? We'll get in the dance. We're going to bring these guys in. And don't kid yourself, man. Like, we just heard from Rose, like the Padres, like that's a team that's not going

quietly. They're having a great season as well. Like, they were the team that stepped up to get Soto when he initially got traded. That's right. That's a team that's willing to part with some currency to bring in a piece that matters. And look at the Cubs. like look what just happened as they went through Milwaukee

you know and there that was a they're a game back of the Brewers so you got the Brewers you get the Cubs the Phillies the Mets you know the Dodgers are going to be loud Padre still could be loud there's going to be a lot of activities still to be played out here

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strategic advice from Kelvin, you can not only protect your investments, you can grow them. Don't wait. Call 416-457 plan or visit ask kelvin.cai.a. You can never, never ask me to stop drinking. Do you understand it? I do. I really do. I'm a bit of beer. All right, roll play level of concern, which we'll get to here, but there's a couple

of things I wanted to bring up that I think we can apply role play level of concern to. I don't know if you saw the GM of the Sixers being quoted, Darry he was speaking with the athletic and I have no idea how he stumbled across his topic but he said, quote, everyone I speak to around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up

as a genuine championship end quote talking about the Lakers' COVID bubble title. Why go there? Why go there? Why say that? You have haven't won anything, Darrell Mori. Nothing. So sure, the Lakers maybe have a bit of an asterisk. What have you done in Houston? What have you done in Philly? Nothing. Your team was a disaster last year. So the goal of this guy, you go on the record. But furthermore, I guess role play level of concern, I'll throw it out to you. Let's say you are the Lakers from 2020.

Do you feel like you need to justify that being a legitimate championship? Does Darrell Mori have anything to back up here, his comments? I will go old school, pint on the patio. Okay, nothing, okay. Nothing. You know why? All the teams were in the same situation. It's not like there was like an uneven playing field and the same applies to the hockey

bubble when people talk about Tampa Bay. Oh, it was the bubble. Okay. Were they all playing the bubble? Yeah. So like one team had to win. Who was the best team? Who found a way to do it?

So if I'm the Lakers of 2020, I say, you know what? That's great. That just sounds like you're a little jealous or whatever. You're having feelings about it and we won and now your team is garbage. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's a weird topic to bring up five years later. It feels like something you're just trying to justify your own failures. Like, yeah, sure, the Lakers and LeBron, they have technically won in the last five years,

but no one really takes it seriously. So it's just a weird comment from a guy like Derek Mory or Daryl Mory of all people who again has not won anything in this league one of the more hyped management types ever that's done nothing All right moving on here Frankie You're playing the role of the Major League Baseball's

Player Association, Players Association What is your level of concern You're going to lose the battle in the end And a salary cap is coming to Major League Baseball I'll go Stevie Caldwell A couple of whiskeys and five or six beers Yeah Stevie Caldwell Like ultimately

It is going to depend on what the big boys do That's who really drives the union There can be a lot of guys who Are the smaller players who have voices and opinions But it really depends on what the star players And the guys who make the most money where they want to drive the bus with this type of thing

and it depends what you want to give up like if you're going to have a hard opinion or you know drive a stake into the ground on no salary cap there's got to be something else that the league gets that they are happy with and so we'll see what that is that's why I'm not like a pine on the patio because there's going to be a give and take

whether it's you know amendments to I really don't know what it would be would it be pension related, who knows, but there would have to be something going the other way. I just I would say that the players would really dig in on this one and say you're not doing the salary cap. Let's talk

about something else. Yeah, I think that's an appropriate level of concern. I mean, I think it comes down you mentioned the heavy hitters in the union clearly, but it also comes down to how much the owners are willing to stomach. You know, like how much they really feel it's necessary for them to

change the way that the business is operating. it because it's been operating in the way it's been operating for well over 100 years and baseball I think is in a pretty good place you know it's it's a pretty hot commodity right now that you got the Yankees good

Dodgers good you got Judge you got Otani you got a lot of international money international interest so you know I'll believe when I see it that the owners are really all in on this you know and are they using this as some sort of a tactic to make sure that the players concede

somewhere else. Are they going to push, like, oh, we're cap, cap, cap, and the players are like, no chance, no chance. I'm like, all right, if it's no cap, then it's got to be this, and the players will think it's a win by accepting that, that could be a part of the negotiation as well. I don't trust either side. Let me be clear here. No, but as a fan, I don't trust either side.

Keep in mind, Hayes, not every owner wants to have a salary cap. You think Cohen wants to have a salary cap? He probably doesn't. He wants to spend as much as he wants. Yes, he probably doesn't. He'll look at it and say, why the hell do I want to allow the pirates to have the same chance of winning as me? No way. You don't want to spend your money?

That's your prerogative. I want to buy a ring. So you wouldn't get unanimous voting across the board on ownership when it comes to the salary cap either. That's for sure. Although I thought I saw that there was some sort of reporting that even the Steinbrenners are pro-salary cap, which if that's the case, that is an indication of health-freezing. over because there's no they would they're the equivalent of steve cone they're even more so the Yankees have been the heaviest hitters the highest payroll forever if they're all in or a true

believer in the benefits of a salary cap that's scary for the players association um all right rolling on here i am playing the role of the national bank open what is my level of concern this will not be a one-off for yonick sinner and carlos alker has pulling the shoot play it Play it. You can never, never ask me to stop drinking. All right, there you go. Okay.

The reason I'm saying this is because I do think we're living in a new era now, where, you know, we talked about this with Patrick McEnroe, we live in the Rings era, where load management and a focus solely on how much championships you make is the priority of everyone. We're seeing it in golf. There's so much money

and there's such a small amount of players that are truly dominating and with these two men in particular, it is such a massive gap. Alcaraz Sinner and everyone else that unfortunately my concern is they're going to care about four tournaments and then they'll pick a handful of other ones

that are going to be a high priority for them. You know, tune up tournaments, tournaments where the purse is significant tournament, that means something to them, right? Maybe in Europe. If there's tournaments in Spain, if there's tournaments in Italy, if you're a sinner, like those are going to be the priorities. And I'm not saying they're never going to be back.

They will. They're young. But I'm not convinced they're going to be here every single year. Like this year, they both pulled the shoot, effectively citing different reasons, but basically say we've played a lot of tennis. It sucks. Sorry. They're going to keep playing a lot of tennis. Next year, I think they'll both be in the French Open again.

Finals. And then they'll be in Wimbledon final. So why would Toronto or Montreal next year be any different? If they're playing four and five set classics against each other at Wimbledon every single year, which is probably going to consistently happen, why would they show up in Montreal next year? I think it's a real concern, man. They don't have to.

They make so much money. They have so many points. They're so clearly the two best players in the world. They don't have to come to a tournament like this. That's exactly it, man. They don't necessarily have to grind for every last dollar. they're making so much on their winnings already and it's not like they need this tournament

and I think a lot of it you talk about tune-ups is going to be schedule permitting right like you want to do tournaments maybe on the upswing get yourself ready for a big tournament not coming down from these majors where you're out of gas and you're like why am I going to fly all the way across the halfway across the world to go grind in Toronto

and I truly don't really have to right well exactly and that's the truth man is it sucks because like I'm watching tennis last night Cocoa golf almost lost like she battled back she was down a break in the third set she ends up winning but she she's the number one seed in Montreal she almost went out you know basically on night one and you know you got you got a lot of just prominent players

who aren't in the tournament the Canadian Chapavala I've lost yesterday Layla Fernandez lost you're banking on Felix and Jeannie Bouchard going tonight you know She's done, right? Like, this is it? This is the last tournament for her? So, like, from a Canadian standpoint,

you don't have a lot left. Djokovic is in here. Sinner's not here. Alcarez is in here. You know, Sabalanka, you're that close to losing Cocoa golf. It's just, it hasn't been a good start. Like, the tournament, it's too bad.

It's just, yeah, it hasn't had the juice that it's had in the past. And when it comes to the men's side, there's still great players here. but Sinner and Alcarez move the needle like nobody else. Like the two of them are so, they're a packaged deal, they're the best of the best, and they've played this tournament in the past, and again, they will play it.

It's not that they're never going to show up again. I just don't think in this modern era of sports where they make so much money and it's ring chasing or major chasing or slam chasing, that's their priority. Get a French, get a Wimbledon, and make sure you're ready for the U.S. Open. And if Toronto doesn't fit in,

so be it. They'll just pull the shirt. You know what's crazy? Back when I was playing for Toronto, a bunch of us got invited to do like a road hockey game on center court, you know, a bunch of NHL players and Djokovic played with us. And it was like

amazing to watch the best tennis player in the world, pick up a hockey stick and have no coordination. Right. And no idea what he's doing with the thing. And it literally looked like it was the first time the guy ever picked up the thing. He was cumbersome. didn't know how to stick handle he didn't know how to hold the thing he was kind of like rolling

the orange ball along and you're and we were sitting there we're like that is the best tennis player on the planet earth and it's so funny how like yeah tennis he would do it and you put the hockey stick in his hands it looked like he like no idea what he was doing yeah i guess so bizarre to see that i know close and personal and probably same thing you put a golf club in his hand no idea what he's doing you know and like magical like like magical with a tennis racket. Of course. Yet that's probably all he's ever done. It's crazy how that works.

If that's all you do from the age of four or five, all you do is play tennis. You know, you probably play soccer a little bit, right? The Europeans are always, it's almost like it's mandatory. You have to be able to dribble a ball or do some sort of trick with a soccer ball. But

yeah, it's true. All right, moving on. He was a nice guy, though. He talked to us, ask us a million questions. Nice guy. Interesting, dude. Yeah. Yeah, very, very fascinated about hockey. Not that he knew team,

like he wasn't talking about teams, but it was just like asking how we do this. Well, like who would be the best Serbian player ever? Like I don't, I don't know how many hockey players, I don't know, maybe look that up to you.

But you look at that country now, like you got Yokic and Jokovic as, you know, the best of the best, right? Coming out of a country of how many million people there? Three million people? Like I don't,

I don't think it's a massive, country in terms of population. And yet, Jokovic, Yokic, Yokic, you see that video that came out early in the week when his horse won some big race and he's, like, bawling his eyes out? Was he dancing again? Yeah, he's dancing and crying. And people have been, like,

splicing it together, his reaction to his horse winning a race compared to when he won the NBA title where he was kind of like, all right, good stuff. Yeah. This is great. Like, he loves his horses. He loves them, man. And he loves, like, he loves throwing a dance on in the offseason. He's got his arms in the air.

He is grooving and then couldn't care less that he won a champion. Yeah. Like right after he won, they did the locker clean out and hey, you know, what's it like now, Nicola, now that you're a world champion and MVP of the finals and, you know, that's great, but I'm just looking forward to getting home because my horse is racing tomorrow. I think he said his horse was racing like the next day or the day after he had won a championship and he was dying to get all the way back to Serbia

so we could watch him race live. Look at this guy go. Yeah. He's like crying. He's like, you're the best. You're the best. Hugging the jockeys, the trainers. Can't believe it.

Meanwhile, this guy wins a championship. He like shakes hands with Jamal Murray and, hey, Michael, thanks for everything. See you later. You know who that reminds me of? That reminds me of our friend, our coworker. Carlo Coliacovo. He won the member guest at the National and said that was the best moment of his life. Best sporting moment of his life.

Isn't that incredible? Played in the NHL, scored NHL goals, playoffs, team Canada, world juniors, best sporting moment, winning a net member guest. A member guest. When you're in the ninth flight. Yeah, I know. The guy won a Memorial Cup, I believe. Certainly an OHL championship with the year.

He won an OHL championship, yeah. He turned the lights out at the London Ice House. He scored the last ever goal there. Oh, really? Okay, there you go. Best moment, though, member guest championship. Yes. Rolling in a three-foot pot on 18 at the National. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's basically the same thing. Yokic is saying this is much more meaningful to me. All right. We'll try to sneak in a couple of more

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police play responsibly 19 plus physically located in Ontario. All right, so we've got Tyler Rogers going from the Giants to the Mets and then Johan Duran going from the Twins to the Phillies. Phillies given two top prospects up in the deal. So it's going to cost you a lot. Matt's had to give up three players. Phillies give up two. Those are two big arms, really good arms, bullpen ads.

NL East is cooking. The Jay's acquired Sir Anthony Dominguez yesterday. good start, got to do something between now and 6 p.m. tomorrow. Got to add more. You know what? I wouldn't be surprised, Hayes, if that's just it. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the move, and then they're going to say that the prices were too high.

Like, would you put that past them based on their track record of how they conduct business here? I wouldn't. I would be thoroughly disappointed. I think that would be completely inexcusable. But without knowing exactly what the prices are, that's the thing.

Once the deadline leaves, then you, you, you're going to put faith in that type of commentary, right, if you choose to. Because, of course, the J's, if that happens, hypothetically, they'll sell. It was just crazy what was being asked of us. You know, okay, what is crazy? Well, we're not going to tell you what crazy was. You just got to take us at face value that it was crazy, you know. But, yeah, it's, you know, you got to pay to play.

It's going to cost a lot. The Phillies are in. The Mets are in. The Jays got in yesterday, you know, but they didn't pay. that much of a premium. They give up a decently rated prospect. You have a lot more in the system. And furthermore, you're committed to Vladdy.

If you're going to keep Bo, which very well could happen, that's just going to cost you money. You feel pretty good about Barger. You feel pretty good about, I think, Clement, and you're not going to trade everybody. Maybe Lou Perfito gets dealt. Maybe Lucas gets dealt. But some of them are going to stick around.

You're committed to Kirk. You've signed him. He's not going anywhere. So, you know, a lot of you lot of your youth is kind of locked up and here and ready to go. You just don't know you just don't know when you're going to find yourself in this position.

Like four and a half games up on the Yankees at the end of July, and things are going well for you. Everything seems to be cooking offensively. You're getting, you know, offensive run support. You're getting production from guys that maybe you weren't expecting to get it from. And your big boys are

playing great ball. Like Bobichette's playing great Vladdy, despite the lack of home runs is still, you know, a very, very productive player. So this is one of those things where you have to take advantage of it because you just don't know if you're going to be in this position again. Or when. Yeah, well, exactly. You can't, you'll be in this position again.

Just will it be two years, three years, four years down the road? That's what you, you know, that's what you have to kind of contemplate here. Yep, for sure. And, yeah, I mean, the Phillies gave up, they gave up really highly touted prospects, you know. So it's, it's going to, you're going to be uncomfortable with what the price is going to be. Ideally, you acquire someone who's got term, like that is what I'm sure they're trying to do,

not just a pure rental. Because if it's a pure rental, you probably don't have to pay as much, but if you're going to give up one of your two or three best prospects or multiple guys inside your top five, ideally you get multiple runs out of whoever you're acquiring.

Easier to stomach it. Easier to stomach that, for sure. And listen, maybe it's not big game hunting. Maybe it's not you know, the most enviable option or the most, you know, productive player that's available. But I think you've got to add some depth to your team. At a minimum, make a move or two that brings in someone who can give you a start in a pinch, who could be a long relief option come to playoffs. Or who's got someone who's got some kind of stuff maybe that you're like, you know,

in a situation, I got to, you bring in a lefty or you bring in someone who's got a certain pitch, I know that guy's a specialist in that regard. Just one more weapon at your disposal. Let's see what they got. I'm sure we'll find out by tomorrow. All right, good stuff, Frankie. Thank you for doing this, as always. Thanks to everyone behind the scenes for helping out.

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