OverDrive - OverDrive - June 12, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Frank Corrado joins to discuss the Panthers' free agents' futures and the next steps for the Sam Bennett, Brad Marchand and Aaron Ekblad, teams looking for a big splash and the Oilers in a must-win territory. In the latest edition of Hayesy's List, Hayes lists the Mitch Marner outcomes that would bother Maple Leafs fans the most and John Tavares' future contract.

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up. I don't know if it's going to come to fruition. I don't know if it's a rumor or rumbling, but my source has said hang tight. Hang tight for what though? Something Raptors related or something NBA related in general? It is a nugget. Are we talking about the Knicks? Are we talking about?

It's a nugget that I'm not really sure on the direction, the context, but I might have one moreba nugget if anybody's interested i'd think we're all very interested because you know we'd love to go from the next right any chance we get to go from the new york next or james dole and we will take advantage of that we did that in the previous hour i can imagine not back-channeling like even a text telling one of yours first

one person in your organization, hey shoot a text to Jason Kidd and see if he'll take this job quickly. FaceTime, call him right now. Like, call him right now before I do this. Tamper, you gotta do some stuff. But they look like idiots right now. Imagine the leverage having if you're the next guy they call, now come it's 12 million

a year, 20 million, whatever. Like you could just sewer them. You realize what's happening here is the reason these reports are getting out is because the other teams are dunking on the Knicks now. Like Dallas, and you know that the Dallas GM has been dying for someone to focus on someone else for a while, immediately would have picked up the phone and called Shams or anyone else and said, guess who just called me? Leon Rose just called me from New York City, New York and asked for permission to chat with Jason Kidd.

And I said, absolutely not. Report that please. Just don't say where you heard it from. And the same thing in Houston and everywhere else in the league. Now the Knicks, they look like just fumbling, bumbling, you know. Buffoons. Buffoons that just don't know what they're doing and where they're going to go next. And by all accounts here is just the follow-up nugget. It wasn't a different, like like Lakers anything like that. From what I've been

told the firing of Tebes was player driven a hundred percent as crazy as that sounds. Really players are not a fan of Tom Thibodeau driving them into the ground that's his reputation right plays guys too many minutes. That's just what I'm hearing. I don't want to go crazy. You know of all people that this is real deal stuff coming in. I understand that. Yeah, listen, I would be surprised by that based on, you know, the head of the snake is Jalen Brunson and by all accounts Brunson loved him.

Maybe that changed. I don't know. Yeah, if you have one guy that loves the coach and 12 other guys that hate his guts, then sorry, the 12 other guys overrule the one. Generally speaking, but in the NBA and... Depends on the who's star player. Yeah, like Brunson is the man. Now maybe things have changed, but I would say, you know, that's a good question.

That might be a good list. You know, most powerful positions in American sport for protecting their coach. I would think quarterbacks got to be number one, right? Like if Mahomes wants Andy Reid fired and everyone else loves him, Andy's in trouble, I think. Alpha dog number one centerman? Like? Possibly. I don't know. That's a good question with the hockey hockey team I feel like it depends it it's almost like an individual case study case by case Study because hockey it's your alpha dog slash captain Like if McDavid says don't even think of firing the coach or not firing the coach. Yeah, you're right

It just the Dallas one wreaked of young players because it's by all accounts The you know, Matt Duchenne put out a post saying loved you know Pete DeBoer he helped me with my career and all that Jamie Band liked him and all of that but it might have been the young up-and-comers that didn't like that DeBoer hurt their feelings or you know Ottinger didn't like that obviously Ottinger didn't like what went on but he contributed to that as well it's not not like he was standing on his head and Pete just pulled him out of the net. I think it's case by case study. Hockey is a team sport.

I can't think of a manager in baseball getting fired because of one guy. There's just so many guys around. Yeah, exactly. Then again, it comes down to power more so than anything that team dynamics like if they're a judge turns on erin boone these boons to start packing your bags you know you're probably out no tony's to an extent you know again it's it's just about

like how much how much power you have not only within the organization board were also within the marketplace you know where if if the fans if you, like to get 100% support, not a lot of athletes have that. Like not a lot of athletes. Why do you think that Sheldon Keefe was playing rap music during practice and letting him wear

t-shirts and sneakers, cause he was like, that's what these guys want? That's what they're gonna do. Right, and I don't remember a lot of them posting, hey, thanks for everything, Sheldon. It's not that you have to. There's no requisite for doing that. You just mentioned Matthew Shane did that on behalf of Pete DeBoer. Shanahan the same thing.

I mean, there's more of a disconnect there. Shanahan's not with them every single day. He's not in the trenches. He's not a coach. I think a lot of it hazes just your acquaintances, man. How many guys you play with where your career's over and you're kind of in a business together, you're friends, you do stuff together. But I think there has to be winning involved to have that kind of like, that's my coach and that's my guy. If not, like you're just another guy that you kind of worked with and it's an acquaintance

type of relationship. Right. You know what I mean? And don't force it just because you feel you have to or whatever. There's always, every team has, regardless if they like the coach or not, there's a few ass kissers on each team that shine up an apple and put it on his desk every day right but do you know there's no need to do it once the guys gone i know

all you've i'd played with a few i played with a few that were always like it was too much it was it was ass kissing 101 where it's like alright stop it like every time they came off a coach you know should have gone through that lane gun like just stop it some guy had a lot of play rates we live this is my favorite line from one guy played with he would be under the gun

and just feather in outrageously high-risk pep saucer pass throughout the neutral zone over three guys stick and he come back to the bench and he'd be like moe i had no other option there and moe would be like that was an unbelievable saucer but i just it would make me vomit it was so well that's during the game

uh... and i i could see that but then there yeah there's the other guys like usually coaches kids you would think they grew up Their dad was a coach all the time. They just they've got a certain way of going about their business Yeah, all right. We've got Rex Hoggard from the US Open coming up drugs coming up game for the Cup final tonight Here's Frankie Corrado or TSN hockey analyst joining us here on the Maple Toyota hotline. What's happening Frankie? hockey analyst joining us here on the Maple Toyota hotline. What's happening, Frankie? Boys, you know which one used to drive me nuts? You know at the start of practice when you're doing the Daytona 500 and everyone's just kind of shooting their pucks around,

there's that guy who seeks out the coach and he goes, I need to go have a Daytona 500 chat with the coach right now, the assistant coach, and I don't know what they were ever talking about, hundred chat with the coach right now, the assistant coach, and I don't know what they were ever talking about, but there was giggles and it was like, ha ha ha. And it like, you know, some of us that were crusty cause we never played with look at it and be like, what do you possibly have to say to the assistant coach, every single practice when we skate around and do these laps before the practice gets going, just planting the seed, right?

Planting the seed for that extra shift, right? Yeah. Just trying to avoid being the guy who serves the too many men on the ice penalty. Yeah. Just every inch counts. We had a different term for it. We didn't call it ass kissing. We had a different term.

I don't think we can say it on the radio. Yeah, I'm sure you did. I'm sure you did. But yes, someone had a great tweet. I think it was about TJ McConnell from the Pacers Like he just he looks like the kind of guy that would say quote like coach is right guys It's on us to get it together Like just go out of his way to echo what the guys were saying, you know

What there's guys there's guy I have heard that before coach will come in like Kara strip off the walls And then someone's gonna be like boys, you know what their guys there's got i have heard that before coach will come in like care a strip off the walls and someone's gonna be like but you know what he's right a like it's been there we go for the uh... exactly that it just hoping the coach just is outside the door and here's a set to it's like they don't know what you have my jersey next year who knows uh... anyway so we look ahead to game four tonight and you know that we've been playing the hits here the last couple of days talking about the big boys and how reasonable it is to expect them to have a night.

But it does, you know, I said it the other day on this show, I said it on Jay's show that the beauty of where we are right now when we're in the cup final is like all these goat conversations happen all year They're going to happen all summer And there's all these different You know pillars that you talk about what crosby accomplished and lamu and gretzky and all that Like mcdavid's in the eye of the storm right now of a legacy build Like he's he's right there. He's playing game for the cup final tonight where over the next 10 days

he can really really kick that can down the road in terms of just Chasing down said eventually maybe chasing down Gretzky Like I really don't think you can overstate, you know how significant tonight is and really the next four games are because You only get so many cracks at the true like pegs in your legacy, like the real building blocks of legacy. And that's what McDavid is facing going into the game tonight. It's true.

And for me, the biggest challenge of that is, and if you go back to game three, you know, McDavid sometimes he's unbelievable, but he wants to, you know, McDade sometimes, he's unbelievable, but he wants to, you know, kind of play hero puck a little bit, right? And be the one that goes through four Panthers players and, you know, kind of put the team on his back. And, you know, it shows you how much he cares about that and how much he wants to win, how competitive he is. But sometimes in those situations, like, it's not going to work.

More than trying to play hero, it's about having that one play on your stick where you execute it and make it happen in a big moment in the game. And that's what happened at the Four Nations for me when he scores that goal. It wasn't the McDavid show. We weren't leaving that game if he didn't score that goal talking about how McDavid dominated that whole night. But we were talking about McDavid after he made that one great play at the right moment. And that's the challenge for him playing against this Panthers team where it almost feels like it can be counterintuitive.

Where the more you want to push and the more you want to say, like, I'm going to have that Panthers team where it almost feels like it can be counterintuitive. The more you want to push and the more you want to say, like, I'm going to have that, pick your basketball player over the years that had like a 50 point night and you said, like Michael Jordan put the Bulls on his back tonight, he had 52 points. I don't think you can compare the two equally because it's hard to do that against a team like the Panthers. But if you kind of stay patient and stay with it, eventually you're gonna have that moment

where you can pull the trigger and say, that was the one, like that was the McDavid legacy moment. But it's almost like he has to find that balance between staying somewhat persistent, but also patient at the same time and hoping that that play eventually develops for him. Frankie, Chris Knobloch has been a pretty proactive coach. He's a guy who kind of, you know, tinkers here, tinkers there, especially in-game adjustments.

We see a couple adjustments here coming into the game. It's Klingberg who hasn't looked great. You slide in stature Arvidsson comes out for Jeff Skinner, you know, let's talk about the defenseman, you know Just a slight adjustment with was with you know stature that comes in What do you think he can bring to the table different than a guy like Klingberg? Probably just less variance from shift to shift right now like and with that being said Klingberg has had a nice playoffs But the Florida Panthers are they're just a different beast compared to who they have played as far as how they from shift to shift right now like and with that being said Klingberg has had a nice playoffs but

the Florida Panthers are a they're just a different beast compared to who they have played as far as how they forecheck and how tenacious they are and I think with with Troy Stetcher you know what you're going to get like it's not a super high ceiling like it's not a Klingberg ceiling but the floor is is pretty good on Stetcher and he's fairly consistent and I get it, you know smaller guy You know, but I'm not I'm not more worried that Troy stature is gonna get pushed around as opposed to John Klingberg so I think it's more just you know, not not having the Potentially Jekyll and Hyde type ships from Klingberg and knowing that it could just be like a little more Flatlined with a guy like Troy stature who like he's played well for the Oilers

just like Klingberg has but it gives you a different look and a guy that's new to the series and I think a guy that you know consistently know in the minutes that he plays that he can he can move the puck fairly well he's going to defend as hard as he can and ultimately if you're not asking him to do too much, you're putting him in a position where he can potentially help your team. With Frankie Corrado, a TSN hockey analyst. We're starting to see some news around the NHL, like the Cryder leaving New York to Anaheim news. I guess he had a 15 team, no trade, and he had to wave it to go there, but

now he's talking about how great they are and how they're turning the corner and all that. We had an interesting chat with Pierre Lebrun yesterday where Pierre said, his understanding is there's not that many sellers out there. Even the Rangers are selling, but they're doing it for a purpose. They're not trying to bottom out. Ton of phony teams that think there's something and they're nothing that they well I guess that that's what I'm getting to like how delusional are all these teams

To think that they shouldn't be seller like this feels like a great opportunity for a crafty team That can be patient for another year or two and I know it's difficult to do But if you're San Jose, if you're, I don't know, Utah or something like that, maybe you take advantage of the fact that there's a lot of desperate teams out there, there's not a big market for sellers, and just bide your time a little bit more. It feels like there could be some stealth mode moves. It's just a matter of whether or not GMs have the appetite for it.

Well, like we know that, you know, executives, agents, they will try and shape a narrative to make it more advantageous for them. Like we see it all the time, stuff gets leaked. With something like this, I think there's two things. I think the first thing, you know, if you do realize that it's a great market for a seller, yeah, you're going to say, you know, we don't want to be sellers, but you know, for the right price, of course, we could be persuaded. And all of a sudden, like you're working behind the scenes. But the other thing I think is relevant to this conversation is there's some teams that have been bad now for quite a while and probably have in their mind what are the pieces that are supposed to move them along

and they're probably saying well if we've been really bad for three years enough's enough like we can't do a fourth year we gotta start climbing up the ladder but they're probably better served to take a look around them and say well realistically who are you passing we get in you know like san jose's been bad chicago's been bad

uh... you know anaheim started to take a step last year uh... buffalo's been badly you gotta go through the list billy's been bad we i don't know if you i feel those teams and i'm like we keep you've all been bad for a little while now uh... are you getting to the point where you like you're getting impatient with I see all those teams and I'm like, well you've all been bad for a little while now. Are you getting to the point where you're like, you're getting impatient with things?

Is your fan base getting impatient? Are you having trouble selling tickets? All those types of things I think enter the conversation. But, and it's not even about Gavin McKenna, because it is hard now to tank for the first overall pick. But you almost wanna take a page out of the Montreal Canadiens playbook where let the progression happen organically. They didn't force it, they didn't push it.

All of a sudden the team got better and they were knocking on the door to the playoffs and they made the playoffs against all odds. They didn't declare that it's their time. If anything, they kind of were a little more cautious about it. That's the approach that these teams should be taking and be patient because what's the difference if you're bad for three years or four years if you can find ten good years at the end of it where you're competitive? Frankie, we debated the three UFAs for the Panthers and how many of them would return

with Eckblad, Marchand and Bennett. How many do you see returning to the Florida Panthers and do you think if they go back-to-back that could influence their decision moving on? If, if... At the most it's going to be two. I cannot see them finding a way to bring all three of those guys back and the two guys that i would put my money on is bennett and that black

i think brad marsh and it's been an unbelievable story he's also thirty seven years old always going to show me the money mode after this i think that's not going to be there's going to be teams line and not better desperate to bring in a winner and march and and let's like call it for what it is He still got game Is he gonna have game in three years? We'll see but right now like he can play You know that the thing about act like he's such a legacy guy there

You know it ultimately You know there's gonna be some hard conversations as far as the money and what that looks like, but if we kind of look at how last year went for the Florida Panthers where they had Reinhart and Montour and they had to make a decision, they went with the forward and they saved money on Reinhart still and they didn't sign Montour, but in the long run they found a way to bring in their replacement version now, which I guess if you want to call it Seth Jones or then Seth Jones becomes your Echlad replacement, they have some wiggle room that way. I'm sure you guys are sick of talking about taxes and

how that can be implicated and all that stuff, but it's a real thing. If the Panthers wanted to pay Sam Bennett $7 million and he was willing to accept $7 million, that's basically nine and a half in Toronto, right? So like they do have an advantage there, but I think all things, you know, once they kind of go down the road, I would say it's two at the most

and it's Bennett and Eklad. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's just Bennett based on their track record of just keeping Reinhardt last year. Yeah, and yet they'll probably recover and fill in the blanks and move on and continue to be a great team. That's the amazing thing here. Jonathan Taze will sign there for 875 grand. Great, exactly. They'll trade for a defenseman.

That wouldn't shock me, man. Yeah, next next year at the deadline will trade for the next defenseman that's available and well that's not a lot of a guy like they they have blended the best of both where they can go out and get the big fish like they've done and they've also taken swings on guys that

people were afraid to and it's worked out for them like it's not just one way of thinking. They've blended the both perfectly. Well, and that's, you know, going to put the pressure on the other teams within the conference and certainly within the division to follow suit, you know, and that's where the Leafs come into play. Tampa, what are they going to do?

Montreal, they got, they're going to have some room and some flexibility and they got a lot of young players and, you, what are they gonna do, Montreal? They're gonna have some room and some flexibility and they got a lot of young players and are they gonna stay patient, Ottawa, as a team? It sounds like Ann Lauer wants to make a splash, they got some money, they made the playoffs this year. Everyone wants to make a splash, where, like, everyone wants to make a splash, where are the guys that you're making a splash with?

That's the issue. That's sad. If Bennett goes back to Florida and Tavares goes back to Torontoida and tomorrow's goes back to toronto uh... and you shane goes back to dallas you know the biggest named centerman it out there is it's peter rightly that that's not a splash that the good player leaded to a handy guy to have

uh... but it's it's not easy for teams to make a splash if you want to make a splash you know fine gonna have to find way to be creative with trades or RFAs or something different. It's different this year. Do you want to do a mini Jerry's on the fly, guys? What's the mini Jerry's? There's an offer sheet. I think 100%. I think I'll give you 68% that there's an offer sheet but it is going on now i think i think we're we're gonna have to see who overspends in free agency and put themselves in a tough spot because there's gonna be a pain

they get crunched it you know i and says we're just gonna do a we're gonna spend money and we're gonna try and squeeze our rf a and not the team that someone's target and say, you know what, we got you now. Well there's also a lesson that came out of last year and that is that Dillon Holloway has fired his agent. And I'm curious if players will be... For what reason? I'm not sure what the reasoning was but my guess would be he feels like he made a mistake,

either taking the deal in St. Louis or he feels like he should have got paid more because he had a great season. And if you're Dylan Holloway and you're looking at it saying, why didn't I just stay on, I'd be in the cup final right now. Like why did I leave Edmonton? Well, think about this. If Dylan Holloway just accepted a qualifying offer, right, which would be, you know, roughly a million or, you know, around there on a one-year deal after the year that he just had he's signing a huge ticket like he's signing a 60

million dollar ticket meanwhile he's stuck on another year with his deal with st. Louis making two in a bet and he's gonna have to have that same year again and hope that he can sign the big ticket so maybe there's a McDavid Dreisaitl influence like maybe there might be that in Toronto too where they have big dogs making big cash and there's a feeling of those type of guys aren't getting a big ticket. They're always going to try to get lowball because they have to have money for those other guys. I don't know if that would be an influence.

You're right, but at least then you have arbitration and then you know like you have comps after and it's just different Because you're just you're more in a position of leverage where you know this year He got a little bit of leverage from st. Louis But now he had a great season and he's like now I'm stuck still making two in a bit when I could have had a Comparable of someone who was making six million dollars and have a strong case Yeah, and the other thing too is I think this is the first time we're actually going to see, keep in mind the cap's going up and it's not going to go back down. They're talking about the cap being you know north of a hundred very very soon, 120 within five years like that. So I think you're

going to see salaries continue to grow and that's the biggest challenge. We went to Matthew's agent, right? Is Judd? Yeah, Judd Moldover, who is McDavid's agent as well. As well, but you know, I think if you look back, a lot of people were kicking Edmonton in the junk about letting them go. And you know, listen, both are really good players, but in the end, you end you know Broberg they had to trade for Wallman who I think Wallman is maybe farther along than him more veteran guy so that's what they were looking at and Holloway would certainly be extremely valuable there but again he was a young guy and they what did they give Arvidsson or Skinner one of those that's

the type of money he would have been slid in there's and more veteran guys so in the long run I think Edmonton didn't you know didn't make out as as well letting them go but right now the orders are back in the Cup finals again I don't know the full reasoning why he fired his coach but the point I was making or his agent but the point I'm making is you know the there might be players learning from that being like why would, why do I want to leave this place? So why am I going to lowball myself and go somewhere else and then I'm over there and that team now owns me. And there's just, you know, an offer sheet doesn't guarantee you anything.

Like it doesn't guarantee you're going to, you're going to get it. Like those were low, those were like short-term deals. You know, it's one thing if it's an eight year deal at massive money okay that then you're locked and then you have importance you know all the way in broberg those were short-term deals in short money well you're trying to call their bluff at that point right like you're just trying to say you know what guys like I'm gonna call your bluff like I'm ready to go so And I think they would have thought... Edmonton would match. Yeah, like those are... the Broberg one was more aggressive, but the Holloway one, they could have matched that if they wanted to. For sure.

That's $2 million. That's not a big deal. That's the crazy one. The Broberg is four and a half. Broberg's four and a half. That one's different because you every every dollar counts but you can't match the 2.2 for Holloway. Like that's the they saw something there or they were like we're just going to move past it at that time and you're right him signing a two-year deal at

2.2 and having the year that he had he should have been better he would have been better signing a one year like Frankie said at a million bucks and you're in the cup final and you're right and having the year that he had he should have been that he would have been better signing a one-year like frankie said at a million bucks in your in the cup final in your right now when you go on that you go on this year and and write yourself a big check make a lot of money this year for sure i was a huge mess you're gonna have to stay healthy and have a sixty point year and score a bunch of goals and then he'll have

you know i'll have options because they'll have comps and he'll have some leverage, but he could have been doing that this year. No player guy, let's be honest with ourselves, no player is sitting there saying, you know what, I'm going to have about five million guaranteed coming to me. I'm a young guy. I'm in my early 20s. No, I'd rather take 850 grand and just, you know, kind of play

it by ear that way. Like that's a, that's a tough way to think. I wouldn't be thinking that way at that age. Right. Yeah. Of course. Hindsight is 2020 with everything, but you know, he did fire his agent. So something happened clearly. Exactly. All right, Frankie, enjoy the game tonight. Thanks buddy. Yeah, boys. No worries. Just deciding where I'm gonna take drags out for dinner again tonight So we'll uh, oh you're picking up the tab for drags now Okay, cuz he was throwing some grenades at you last week. No, I know I heard I heard I heard there's a signature move involved in everything

So it's all good. Oh good landing seeds. That's a brilliant move veteran move actually from drags So make sure he enjoys himself this evening on your dime I'm sure he will okay, buddy There is Frankie Corrado joining us in the maple Toyota hotline drive the built-in Canada fuel-efficient fun to drive Toyota rav4 gas or hybrid models available visit maple Toyota comm We are you know inching closer to to free agency uh... you know less than where we twenty days away less than twenty days away from uh... july first and

again of the bars three signs in toronto and then it resigns in florida like it just amplifies mariner on his own like as a big fish as of July 1st, right? Like it really like clearly he's the number one guy But if Bennett resigns after winning a cons might than a cup if that happens and then a week later He resigns in Florida. It is a massive gap between the profile of Marner and whoever else is gonna be out there Yeah, I guess I literally will eat raw chicken the night before

free agent frenzy. Well there's always stuff going on because there's gonna be post draft and trades and there will be signings and the lease will be active you know like unless they sign Tavaro San Nise in the next week or two it could get closer to the you know July 1st deadline and then all of a sudden you really have a story on your hands in terms of where the Maple Leafs are at. Also again as of July 1st a lot of big players in the league can sign extensions that kick in next year, right? McDavid being one of those. I think Marner's case study is going to be fascinating because I was reading again, take

it for what it's worth. You're reading a bunch of things last night. I was and like him wanting like dry, subtle money. It just like there's for me, it's no way. Like I just, I don't like it's an impossibility. It's insanity. I'm sorry. It's got a hundred points.

But noodles, it's always, I know like that's where my... I've said it all along. Where there's a bunch of guys, or there's a chosen few guys that could go to their GM and say, I'm next in line for that to be the top guy or make more than that. He ain't one of them. Sorry. So, if some GM wants to do that, you're a moron. As talented as he is, and yes, he gets 100 points or close to it and he plays in all situations he is not the next guy in line to make the most in the league i'm sorry that's insane

otak and if you do that it's a mistake it just it's a lot of money like and i can see it i get like listen he's he's going to be on team canada he is a top tier player. He's a supers, all of that type of stuff. It just doesn't guarantee that, okay, you're the, it's leapfrog time. Like I just- Well, he's not capable of just being better than Dry Settle. Like it's just not gonna work that way. Right. Sam Reinhardt scored 56 goals.

He didn't go to the Florida Panthers and say, I'm the next guy in line. And they would have said, no, you're not. Well, exactly not well exactly because he's not you know like Marner what is he the 15th best player in the league 22nd you know I'm 56 goals cup winner up for the Selkie all that kind of stuff he ain't the next guy in line no not even close not even on his own team the same thing with Marner here in Toronto all right why don't I I got a list for Marner that I'm gonna throw out you guys can react to it. Dregs coming up on Marner and others including the Cup Final tonight Rex Hoggart on day one of the US Open. Jays are off today back in

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Darren Drager in half an hour, Rex Hargit from Oakmont in about an hour. The O-Dog has established himself as an NBA insider today with a couple of scoops that have just led to an absolute storm throughout the NBA community. You know that you saw what they were and I'm not like I hear you have no idea who I talked I I know and listen, this is the time for crazy Stories, right? Everyone's hearing them. I heard one Yesterday, I believe it was maybe this talk to me. Tell me what I'm not even gonna get into the details It was a it was a Mitch Marner

Oriented story that if the true I'm like, that's interesting. That would suggest to me he's out of here. Honestly, you can't do that to us on our show. Bring that up and then not tell the story. You have no idea who I'm talking to. I know, but I want to hear the potential that this could happen. What is it? I want to know. Well, again, it's not even a litigant. Who cares, dude? I want to be created crazier the better it was what is out a potential commitment somewhere that mitch declined that would indicate to me that he's probably think about it

here so i don't i'm not gonna be a draw on all anymore so i know what it is and i know what it doesn't matter what it was and again i can't corroborate this so it's it's getting silly power just were were rumor millilling joe from the bridge type stuff yeah i do have a good life it's i'm not getting into it do you know that the point is that what i wasn't even getting i wasn't gonna say what i heard what i was saying what i was suggesting was

that's the world word right now i'm hearing this about our studio matthew nines is doing it like you know everyone's got something else that they're hearing in you know with marter it's always felt like a foregone conclusion that he's likely leaving maybe not you know maybe they circle back maybe cooler heads prevail maybe the leaves decide when this mox are the dust settles like a this makes sense for us to continue but i think both parties just need to shake hands and say we're out

You know we're gonna go a different way So if and when that happens and he signed somewhere else I have a list a five-pack here of Mitch Marner outcomes that will bother the fans the most Alright, all right. This is my opinion and there's a lot of different options here All right. All right. This is my opinion and there's a lot of different options here All right And again you to be to be fair to any player who's a ufa and decides to leave because they're a free agent That's how the league works, right and a lot of leaf fans are like, let's move on from Mitch Let's move on from other guys. Let's turn over the leaf and start anywhere. So it's not all leaf fans

I think a lot of the fans are ready for a fresh start and a different feel with this team. But those that are pushing to keep Marner or those that are just constantly, you know, the victim of Leaf fandom, this is the list that I have compiled. Okay. Number five, I have Vegas. I have every signs in Vegas and it's more about Vegas than anything else because this team did not exist when Marner was drafted You know like this team is in the desert It's in Vegas They haven't even been around for ten years and they've won a cup and they've been the two cup finals And they get everyone and there goes Mitch couldn't win here couldn't help them win here

It's not only him but off the Vegas I go You know because everyone goes to Vegas and when they do go to Vegas generally works out well so I think it's more about the marketplace than anything else but Vegas at five number four to this one maybe should be higher up the list I just have to back up like what what do you think Vegas like do you just think that there the big they've always been known as the big, tough team and they wanna bring a different element or?

No, I'm just saying Vegas, they've bullied their way into the league and they just win all the time and I think it's more. And they get everybody. Yeah, it's not even about Marner from that standpoint. It's like, Lee fans will be like, really Vegas? You know, Vegas is gonna get this guy or of course he's gonna go there and they'll insulate him and it'll work and it'll be in Vegas of all places

You know, this is the original six Maple Leafs and go into a team that hasn't even been around for ten years So that's why happening. That's why I've got Vegas at five Well, listen Curtis according to fan duel the odds of the next team for Mitch Marner Vegas is plus 300 They got the lowest odds or shortest odds so Vegas at five number four again this maybe should be higher up the list but I have Carolina at four now heads will explode that he didn't wave to go there at the trade deadline and then signs there on July 1st if he does that that is ridiculous agent work because you could get the eighth year

and you just said no and then you sign back there in the summer that is ridiculous agent work because you could get the eighth year and You just said no and then you sign back there in the summer. That is bizarre Good point that does that would have to raise that question Why wouldn't you take the eighth year or work out the negotiation at that point now again? He didn't have to wave They were expecting their first kid. There's a lot of things that were up in the air I don't blame Mitch for that but the idea that he would go on July 1st and Rantin and is now in Dallas Would not go over very well the Leaf fans. Yeah, right. So Carolina for yeah number three again. These are the the five Mitch Marner outcomes that would bother Leaf fans the most number three if he signs with any other Canadian team

Any other Canadian team which I don't anticipate happening but there are some people throwing out Ottawa would love to pay him Ottawa would love to get him there's a splash you steal the local kid he rolls down the highway he's in Ottawa not sure I see a fit there necessarily but again you know what if maybe Edmonton comes call I don't know know. Maybe Vancouver comes calling or Calgary. I would guess my prediction would be if he leaves this city, there will be palm trees somewhere. There would be some kind of sunshine where he could live on a golf course and be totally

be in a totally different space. That would be my prediction. Yes, I agree with you. My prediction even a little further is just across the border. Because if it's, I'm not saying Buffalo, but I'm saying Chicago. You know, there might be Utah, like, because if there's a massive price tag attached to it, then you make that happen. But he, I predict, and again, I could be 100% wrong, South of the border and in the Western Conference. That would be my guess too, but at number two,

you talk about palm trees, Florida. Besides in Florida, heads will explode up here. It's a Kevin Durant-like move. I don't even know if that can happen. With Echblad and Bennett, they're going to have that cake floating around for him? No, it's not going to be that cake. It's nine million.

It's eight, whatever. It's Reinhardt's deal. They can fit him in. It's just a matter, does he want to take, and everyone's going to say tax and all of that, but they have an internal cap there. They've got, it's Bob at 10, it's Barkov at 10. Everybody else is below that. You want to go play for an organization? Like that what's Chuck yet? Nine? Yeah

Yeah, so I mean there there's there's the bar you want to accept less money on paper to go to an organization Where you think you fit in or you can help or you want to be there? That's that's what they'll offer. They're not going to go, hey, here's 13 for you just because you're the premier unrestricted free agent. Keep in mind, Hayes, you've always said you build it, people want to go there. It's not vice versa. The Florida Panthers don't have to beg for anybody's services. They get all the leverage.

People should be begging to go there. All the leverage in the world. Well, and that leads me to number one you know the number one mitch marner outcome that would bother we fence the most anywhere for less money that he's currently making or less money than is being thrown around you know where it's

if it's eleven million eleven and a half and that would coincide with florida like that because again marners history here is not alone the other guys are the same boat it was you know gotta get every penny and that's the next step you were to bars you know to bars returns i i am very curious to see what that looks like you know if they sign him to a deal whatever it is three-year deal four-year

deal what's that dollar amount and and who has to explain it? John or Tree Living? I would suggest both. You know, I would suggest both. But let's say it's 7 million on a three-year deal. Seven million? I'm sure that's what he's asking for. It's not going to be two.

I'm sure that's what he's asking for. It's not going to be two. You know, he might be asking for more. It just, I think here's the thing. Do you not think that if John Tavares wants to, to stay, it's going to have to be definitely a hometown discount. But can't you do it July 10th? Like, like, what? He's probably saying, why would I got to get my life sorted out here. You think I'm going to sit around and wait? And what if they give him the high hard one and just on July 10th they're like, that

ain't happening. There's no way Tavares and his camp will let that happen. No, that's why he wants an answer. He wants to figure something out. But he has the right to. Of course. Yes. You can allow him to go to market and say, yeah, you know what?

This team's going to give me eight. We say, congratulations. Take the eight. And you're going and you look at other players. You like that's the biggest thing. Unless you absolutely want him as your third line center for next season that can kiss up into the second line center, all of that type of stuff, or play wing.

Who's playing second line though if it's not Jonathan Tavares? That's the question. Well, this is where you've got to get creative. I totally agree with you. This is where you're talking about trades. It's not about signings. It's about trades. It's about finding players within the league that need to change the scenery. We were just

talking about how everybody's open for business, everybody wants to... you don't think Brad Treeliving's working the phones right now? Well, obviously, I'm sure he is. But again, if you're saying Tavares is your third-line center, then you can't even pay him five million a year, in my opinion. Like if you have him penciled as your third- line center, you got to have what does Lundell make four and a half? You know, like you just can't pay a guy six, seven million to be on your third line. No kidding. If he is your third line centerman, why would you want to pay him seven million dollars? Like that's when those numbers come like I just don't understand why Patrice Bergeron was at the end of the line and he signs for 2.5 million and all these like I have the comments come in my way in public where it's

like yeah just three years at nine makes sense to me and I'm like you guys are all insane and that's not gonna happen I mean the Leafs yeah I don't think so I don't know I mean the Leafs have a history. If I ran the Leafs it would be very very simple. We just gave you $80 million. You're going to do us a favor on this one or we're not doing it. Sorry. There's no seven. There's no six.

There's nothing. None of that talk is happening here. If you want to come back and you really want to stay here and that's your only objective, you are doing us a serious favor. That's the only way and the only terms that this deal is happening. it or leave it go and find a place to play because it won't be here yep I totally agree with that I see it the exact same way you do but that doesn't mean tree-living does and it doesn't mean the virus does and that's what we're gonna find out in the next two or three weeks yeah but like

good player good player guys scores a lot of points for thirty eight goals last year for the eighty million dollars and he was a part of it they want to play off series so why would there be such a need to bring the player back like are we in star people insane they never won why why do you have to bring the anyone back get different players try it what the hell is it was worst that could happen? So sick of Todd.

People are so dumb. Be patient and go out there and find pieces, man. And it might take more than a year. People don't wanna hear that, but that's the truth. It may take a couple of years to fill out your roster appropriately. And I would say the idea that this, well, you have to do it for Matthew.

You don't know Auston Matthews anything anymore. He owes you something Yes, and William Nylander owes you something you paid them a fortune and they didn't show up when you needed them You don't owe them anything and their window to win Like you know if it takes you a year or two So be it and put even more pressure on them to make sure that it doesn't have to be that much of a timeline. You know, go out there and pull your weight and find a way to help this team win. All right, Darren Drager in 15 minutes, Rex Hoggard live from the US Open and our best

bet still to come. Overdrive continues, TSN 1050N up on YouTube Live. Squinting through bright days? That's a no. Struggling with glare? Also no. What about sunglasses over regular glasses? Big no.

But prescription sunglasses from Pearl Vision? That's a huge yes. They're a must have for enjoying the sun in style. Choose from designer frames like Ralph Lauren, Coach, Michael Kors and more. Arrange an eye exam at pearlvision.ca and get 40% off lenses Some restrictions and exclusions may apply see participating stores for details Alright, Dan and Greg are in about 10 minutes Rex Hoggard live from Oakmont US Open John Rahm is playing pretty well and you know, there's

There's some live players kicking around Phil Mickelson was four over today, though, not looking great for Phil. There are some guys losing their minds like they're smashing their clubs into the ground. Well, Scheffler's two over. Right. And that's that's fine. Like he's still in the mix and he's still on the course. But you know, if he ends up two or three over, DeChambeau was three over. Justin Thomas was doing some funky stuff out there, man.

He was chunking chips and like launching balls out of bunkers. I know. You said, you text me, you're like him and Spieth are on planet Bizarro world sometimes. Yes. On that golf course Yet speed is one under right now, so I told you watch out for Giordano. I know I know But yeah, I gotta go find where Thomas is I don't even know where he is in the leaderboard But I can't imagine it's going well like there's a lot of really good players who are just getting burned out there It's such a tough tough course i think as a courtesy and i'm being dead serious when i say this i wanted spawned

the of course you did i i i you want to pay this spot no i know that i know i'd your god that's on and i said he might be a dark give me some really you are excited do you actually think that is one of them in the u.s. open i'd is yet again a good first day. No, what about the players? He's a guy that I won hard about you lost. He lost the Rory That's right where he you talk about a guy that was shaking in his boots for that playoff, dude He was so nervous in that playoff with McElroy. All right, go ahead. You can take spawn

You could take a key add them to my team. you can have a look you can have you can you can Have the guy who see who I might see who I like see have them have them all right I might take see who all right final hour coming up overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN to This pride season celebrate with the station. That's as bold vibrant and diverse as you are I heart pride Canada from dance anthems to pop icons, and hits from 2SLGBTQ plus Canadian artists. It's your soundtrack for Pride and Beyond. Just ask your smart speaker to play I Heart Pride Canada. Stream us on your phone or listen now at iHeartRadio.ca. Happy Pride from iHeartPride Canada.