OverDrive - OverDrive - June 13, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Jonas Siegel for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joins to discuss the Oilers' comeback win against the Panthers, Leon Draisaitl's incredible role and Mitch Marner's contract value. They also discuss his next deal price, his ranking throughout the league and if it exceeds Draisaitl's contract.

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Mike Johnson here in a moment on the cup final. On the Vezna, on the Heart Trophy voting. There's a lot going on in the NHL right now. Game four of the NBA finals tonight. A little bit surprising on FanDuel. Oklahoma City favored by six and a half Tonight, which is too much. Yeah, I think so man. They don't they don't cover numbers on the road in the playoffs I want to say they're owing seven now or own eight against the spread and you know, I

Anticipate they went tonight, but six and a half is a pretty big number like Indiana I don't think they're gonna run them out of the gym man And the Pacers can backdoor cover almost anyone because they never stop they keep running at you all throughout the game I think it's just the expectation Hayes that they're just gonna they can't go down three They have to win right like yeah, they're gonna come they're gonna win. They weren't very good last game. They'll bounce back Shea will be better. I Don't know Willie. I mean, that's the question. He was amazing the game before yeah Yeah, he's he was and I didn't think he was awful the other night, but his shooting percentage even you know game one again

He put up a lot of shots, which is what he does, but he wasn't overly efficient I just think the Pacers They're a really good team like they're a really good team and at home home court in the NBA Playoffs is so significant Oklahoma City just has not been good on the road. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Pacers won tonight. That's the thing though like it's it's you head into 3-1 or 2-2 it's must-win territory right like it just it's it's so it's so critical. That's why it was so critical for Edmonton last night like that was that was curtains man after that first period like

that looked like curtains and like I was getting texts internally going, okay, well, what's your schedule look like if Florida wins in five type of thing? It's only natural. I mean, they were down three-cob and looked terrible. So you're going, okay, how's this look? That's the beauty of playing these games., I don't know what's... NBA is a little bit... Is it more predictable than NHL or not? Generally home court is more predictable. Yes.

You know, or more seemingly beneficial to that team, but it's the same scenario. Like, Oklahoma City's got home court in the series and they're down 2-1 going into game four. They have to win tonight. Like you have to win. It's a same scenario like all Oklahoma City's got home court in the series and they're down to one going into game four They have to win tonight like you have to win. It's a must win. Yeah, if you're down 3-1, I think it's over I think the Pacers will win that probably not win game 5 but will win game 6 I think at home so must win for Oklahoma City and Very similar to what Edmonton was facing last night. Hey, is I wanted to wait to ask you this question Did you have flashbacks last night to game five game five of the leaves panthers series yeah

in the way that it's it it it broke open and it was three nothing yeah and then and then like because i'm watching and i'm thinking when the comeback happens because in in game five is like the game is over like this kind of like stopped and i was thinking to last night obviously there's it's the first period. There's a break But then the second period they just come back and the games tied and then they're ahead well

You know the the breakdown of the Leafs. I don't even remember game five compared to game six our game so I remember game seven Domi scoring to make it 3-1 and five compared to game six or game seven. I remember game seven Domi scoring to make it three one and seemingly thinking okay something could happen here and that's how I felt when Nugent Hopkins scored only Domi had done that in the third. Nugent did it you know early in the second period but. Or even game seven I guess. Yeah I mean I guess the difference is that the Earthers just aren't wired the way the Leafs are. You know the Leafs just once they were down three nothing they're like got no fight, we're not doing this, it's over. And that's the difference between a team that has it, quote unquote, and a team

that doesn't. And the Leafs don't. You know, and that's just the truth. That the Eurlers, they didn't quit. They were down 3-0. They could have put their feet up. They had a goalie change. They're getting smoked. The building's going crazy. They could have put their feet up. They had a goalie change. They're getting smoked the building's going crazy They could have got to that first intermission and just woe is me head down. We're in trouble while we were down three nothing last year It's three one. We're still in it and they didn't do that and even when Reinhardt scores Do you know how deflating that could have been for Edmonton last night? Yeah, like wallman scores. He's going nuts They're in the driver's seat and Reinhardt scores with 16 seconds left or whatever it was. And that could have been so deflating, so easy for Edmonton to get to the

intermission thinking this just isn't, we don't, we can't do it. Like we can't beat these guys. There's nothing we can do that's gonna stop us from going home down 3-1, but that's not how they're wired. And I have a great appreciation for them. Like I said last hour, they're not champions yet, but they have that pedigree. They play like it. They fight like it. And I got a great appreciation for what Edmonton did last night, because it would have been

easy to quit, and they didn't quit. And that's the big difference. And the Leafs aren't alone. Carolina quit. Tampa quit. Like other teams just said, we don't have it. We can't quit. Yeah. And that's a big difference. And the Leafs aren't alone. Carolina quit. Tampa quit. Like other teams just said, we don't have it. We can't, we can't beat these guys. They're too good. Edmonton doesn't see it that way. Well, and you know what? They had some contributions to like, sounds like Corey Perry said, you know, stood up after the first period and said some words like, you know, dry saddle

talked about it last night. Like he's a quiet quiet guy Perry and just kind of does his thing but you know he said he had some words that words of wisdom for the guys like hey let's let's get our heads out of our rear he doesn't want to lose his fifth cup in a row and fifth in his last six years I mean Perry is probably as desperate as anyone to win agreed here's Mike Johnson our TSN hockey analyst joining us are the maple title hotline we're in the building last night johnny i was i was i was sitting there and you know it's like that's right at the end of the game

you know we're not really invested in who wins or loses but are they there's a lot of other good overtime and take a look or all we don't know why are not for ready to go on air and of course with twenty seconds left sam wrighthart dribbles one and you're like, oh my God, here we go again. Three of the four games going overtime and deep overtime days.

So I was there. It's been like, it's funny because the series has been incredible, right? Three overtime games and yet it doesn't feel like it's been that close. It's a weird feeling when you're there because largely, Edmonton has been trailing most of the games and Florida seems to be better than Edmonton, but there we are 2-2.

And at this point, I haven't checked the betting lines, but Edmonton would probably be the favorite to win the Stanley Cup now, wouldn't they not? With two or three at home, given what they did last night, forget about how they got there. That's two out of three. When you're at home for two of them, you would be the favorite. Well, and Calvin Pickard's your goaltender. Like, whoever saw that coming.

That you're favored at home to win the Stanley Cup and Calvin Pickard is your guy. Yeah, the updated odds are Edmonton minus 115, Florida minus 104. It's still pretty close to a Pickham on Fanto, which is, I think, reasonable. I mean, I don't know who's gonna and i i i really don't

and i think that that's what makes it so compelling yeah and in more than a i can't admit were there every day every day and i usually have a pretty good sense of what's gonna happen but i think that's what our job is i try to be able to have an idea what the games will be played like and this one you don't. You don't have a great sense of of how it's going to go game by game, period by period. So yeah it's fascinating. It feels like everything has more in them and yet they're still there at 2-2 but Noodles, like this Cal Pickard

from all reports, guys love this guy. Like he's just a perfect back up good, dude You know they laughing like body made by Funyuns like just like not a prototypical New Age athlete and yet he goes in there and like he doesn't look like he's particularly flexible He doesn't look like he's Bobrowski dynamic But he was really good in the game last night, made several huge saves, including that glove save off the crossbar from Sam Bennett in overtime. And the Oilers have won 14 games in the playoffs.

Calvin Pickard is 7-0. He's won half their games. He's not lost yet. So, I mean, I'm assuming he's going to play tomorrow night as well, but you know, Calvin Pickard goes on a run here and wins two more and And I think nine and oh in the playoffs It would be one of the most unlikely stories all time for a goal center to lead their team to a Stanley Cup It would be a hundred percent and then one thing we were talking about in the last hour Johnny like I didn't think

It was Stuart Skinner's fault. I mean the high danger chances were, no the high danger chances in the first period were 13 to 1 for Florida. But then you know the ice tilted in the second period. The one thing that Pickard does very well is he moves side to side very well. He can actually like push across and very fluent where Skinner is a little bit more robotic and gets opened up and it looks like it's a lot of work for him to move side to side. And Pickard made a couple really good side to side saves yesterday. And the other one was the Lundell break weight.

They only had three high-nature chances in the second period, but it was a timely save. That's the biggest thing that I've noticed with Pickard is he makes a timely save when the team needs it and they're feeding off of it. And obviously he even said in his media afterwards, he goes, the team really knuckled down for him where it was a lot looser in the first period. But you're right, they love him and he's a reckless goaltender in there, which is a little bit maybe hard on Florida as far as a predictability standpoint, but he just goes for it.

He's aggressive, he's side to side, and it is like an unmade bed, but he gets it done. It works, man. It works. It's also one thing, he's better than Skinner at playing the puck. I think we saw this with Toronto, the difference between the solar and the wall with that four check. If you can help yourself just a little bit you can play it better

it can have a look flight neutralizing effect on florida's for check because when not for jake it's going to get a bit of it it he doesn't know i got a david and just doesn't they just can't get a pocket or they can make twenty foot passes on about pressure so any help there is also more than welcomed. If they win who gets the cup first Skinner or Pickard? Oh my you know what it would be Skinner because Pickard wouldn't take it first and I mean that sincerely that's the

kind of guy he is even yesterday in this glorious moment for him huge overtime win he's the hero in relief. The first thing he said, he'll elude to it on the panel or on the podium, listen, if Stu was in that for the second or third period, he would have had the same result. It wasn't me, it wasn't him, it was our team played better. Yeah, honestly, I don't even think Skidder would take it before, or Pickard would take it before Skidder, out of respect for his partner. Okay.

I kind of want to see that. That kind of stuff intrigues me. Yeah, of course it does. Of course it does. Like, Skinner reaches out and some guy blows past him, like, where's Pick? Where's Pick you? We need Pickard up here. You know, I kind of want to see that. I think people in Edmonton would be willing to do that too. It'd be like, when Tyree Talib i didn't mvp of the the carpet final right on the way to the podium is a little what passed now i had a good job cacomite you'd win it there are a lot of lovely

well i'll be for you that totally happy so happy for the past now uh... yeah well and i'm gonna rush my court smokey outcome no kidding and well see maybe you see maybe gets the NBA final MVP Which you know, I think would probably go to Halliburton if this continues What about on the flip side where? Florida choked last night like they're up three nothing after one They got a chance to take a stranglehold on that series and it didn't happen Like what's the viewpoint from the Florida side of

things on what got away from them last night? Yeah, I mean because it took so long for it to happen it didn't feel like a sudden collapse. It was just more methodical and they just sort of stopped playing in the second period. But you're right Haynes, it was so long side in the first. We were saying okay game over, series over. That's it. They're going up 3-1, they're going to win another cup, that's how it's going to go. And you know Bobrovsky led in that short side goal by Nurse, that was not a good goal. The second goal kind of got Edmonton back within one and then you know Florida just didn't play as well. They weren't as quick, weren't as aggressive,

weren't as engaged in the four check. They got passive, which is sort of human nature. But what you would have thought was that Florida's experience, third cup final in a row, coming off of last year where they had three cracks at closing out, big moments to win the Stanley Cup, and they didn't really play their best, they would be well served for having gone through that. And yet, in a pivotal moment, where they could have taken

a stranglehold in the series, they did not play anywhere remotely like their best hockey. So yeah, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't great. Now I still think Florida has this air of confidence because in this series, Hays, Laura has shown that their good game works well against Edmonton. Okay. Like when they play their game, they're the ones in control and Edmonton, the spigot being two, two, and dry settle score on these overtime goal after overtime goal. Edmonton hasn't really shown for long stretches that their good game

can control the series. And that's why even heading back to Edmonton, it's basically a pick them because the game seems to be on the racket, the club, the skates of Florida more than it is. If Florida plays well, they'll win. If they don't, then Edmonton has a chance. That's sort of the vibe around the series. Mike, to bring it back to Edmonton, I'm curious how you think Dry Sido

compares as like a sidekick to Malkin back in the day with Crosby. Like, is he better? Is he going to be better? Are we underselling, am I underselling Malkin? Like, it feels like a similar dynamic to me. Yeah, and it's funny, because I'm thinking, feels like Dreisteader will probably be more accomplished

as far as individual awards than Malkin will have been in his career, right? More of Rockets, and he won a Hart, and he won, you know, Hart-Roth, whatever it might be. He probably will win a Con Smythe here if Edmonton wins. But Malkin was incredible. I think it's a pretty fair comparison. I don't know if anyone's better or worse, era-wise,

but McDavid and Crosby, the face of the teams, the face of the franchise, take all the attention, take a lot of the heat, and then Malkin was sort of, could just drift in alleging he didn't speak English well and just avoid the media. the heat and then Malkin was sort of does the same way Malkin didn't handle the same the same way Frost does. No, it's a good comparison. And I think it's part of the reason why Malcolm was as good as he was, and part of the reason Dry Settle is as good as he is is that they don't have to deal with that stuff.

And they don't want to deal with that stuff. This isn't like a jealousy thing, like I'm upset that I don't get all the attention. They don't want the attention that the main guy, that Batman, has to carry, and it frees them up to just do their thing yeah it's a pretty good comparison that's pretty similar with mike johnson our tsn hockey analyst so what do you make of uh connor hellebuck of course winning the vest everyone knew that

was coming but he also solidified the heart trophy that was announced last night i i'm on record uh not really liking to vote for goalies for the Harts because by the nature of the position, the Vezna could essentially be the Heart every single season. And but I think this year I don't have a vote for this. If I did, I think I would have put Hellebuck first because his numbers, when you're first in wins, first in goals against, second in saves, first in shutouts, and you play 60 something games for the team that is the best team in the league, and your backup goes like months without winning a game.

So it's not like anyone could play, they're like, poor Eric Connery didn't win for two plus months, I think, you know, in November, December. So I put all that together and say, okay, that's obviously a great, historically great year. And then who's he going up against? Yes, Kucherov, incredible. Yes, Dreisel, incredible. But based on the performance we've seen the last few years,

nobody got 60 goals, nobody had 140-something points, and it was the right year for a dominant goalie performance, historically good goalie performance to go up against excellence but not historical skater performances and I think you put all that together and I think it's like a Kerry Price, like a Dominic Hasek will leave the Jose Cedar one out of there. It's that kind of year that made sense that he would get it this season. See, I voted Johnny, and I had Hellebuck at one.

I would have had Dry-Sidle at one if he wasn't injured near the end. He missed, I think, in nine or 10 games. So there was a pocket there where I thought that kind of took him out of it, even though he was brilliant this season and stuff. I would have had, you know, I thought I had Dry Saddle at one but I ended up going Hellebuck for just his body of work the whole season.

You look at how Winnipeg was great, yes Winnipeg played very well in front of them. They work hand in hand and I thought Hellebuck, which you laid out, statistically what he did, the amount of games, he just played every night. He played every night. It didn't matter analytics, you you know you got to start the back up here he played back-to-back sometimes it's just that that's how good he was so it was unique I didn't have Nico Hescher in there I don't know if you someone had their ballot Nick Suzuki Nick won he was first by someone's ballot. Yes. Yeah

So party like I want I Want the mob mentality who is that person? I want to hear from them. I want an explanation I want to like put them up there on the public trial and tell me why you did that but You know, but valuable is such an interpretive word if you want to take it literally, you know, but valuable is such an interpretive word. If you want to take it literally, you know, somebody might say, well, Suzuki is more valuable to Montreal than Dries Edel is to Edwin because of McDavid. Like, you know, you can try to spin it any which way.

You know, I thought Ilya Mikheyev picked up a selkie phone. I'm like, what? Ilya Mikheyev? What are we talking about here? But yes, Suzuki first, I mean, even if you wanted to be bold and say, okay, I'll give him a top five, hey what do we what what are we talking about here but yeah the new beat first i mean even if you want to be bold and say okay i'll give him a top five but first that is uh... ambitious i'd go to see if that's still ambitious yeah that's that is pushing it

for sure and and now like if you're dry subtle to put a ball on this now they want to stand the cup it's all good you know that's all he wants and he's gonna be the highest paid while he may not be. Maybe Mitch Marlowe is the highest paid player in the league next year. But he's second in heart and he may be second in the Con Smythe. You know, like he is that close to or was that close. Now that the heart trophy is in, it's over.

But that close to completing one of the all-time great seasons in terms of hardware you know how many guys in the history have won the heart the cons might and obviously the Stanley Cup I can't imagine there's a lot I'm sure Gretzky did it multiple times you may have done it. But not a lot of guys but not many. He was that close to possibly doing that and I mean it just speaks to how great of a player he is. They're lucky to have him. They're lucky to have McDavid.

You wonder, Hayes, I have no idea. I think for those guys, they want at least one. They want to be recognized. I got a Hart. I got a Rocket. I got a Lindsey. I got a Conn Smythe and of course as many cups as possible I wonder if the under I settle is legitimately like I would be picked

I'm still kind of ticked I wasn't a finalist for rookie the year 25 years ago Yeah, like everyone's wired differently, but I wonder if he cares like I don't care if I get you know Another heart is it'd be nice, but I like first or second. I wonder if you lose a sleepover I have no idea. I would. I'd want it. I'd want it because that, yeah. Well, everyone's going to make money. Everyone knows he's a great player, but the heart, that puts you in a category for the

rest of time, man. That's the kind of stuff, when you grab it and you have it, they can never take that away from you. And it just, all of a sudden, you know, he's already playing himself into all time great chats and rankings and all that. That's how great he is. But you, you know, again, you just, you shrink the amount of players that have ever done it. You win, you win multiple hard trophies.

Very few players have ever done that. Very few. Yeah. And you know, that, like if the modern players, I believe it would only be McDavid, Sid and Ovechkin, I think, because Kuturov's only won it once and McKinnon was only won it once and Dry Suttles won it once, Matthews won it once. Anyway, I want to get to this Marner stuff where Drex was on with us yesterday and he said he believes you know there are teams that could offer him more than 14 million.

I've seen other reporters indicate that that's possible. Like in line with the Dry-Subtle chat, now Leon signed his last year but he's making 14 million a year. Like how could any GM possibly just... I love that you brought this up. I can't wait to talk about that. How could you ever go to your owner and say i'm going to pay a guy more than dry subtle they like how how can you do that

mike school at home that i had to go to school the uh... how anyone on earth could say that makes sense to pay the state has a serious player really was the cap next year what does that have to do with it tyson's and i think that it is a cap but i have a try it out as was dealing with not kicked in yet guys he didn't sign a few years signed last year so i i i i was we didn't know the cap was going up against my kid you tell me i don't know what they don't know what we're gonna be honest

the the agent there and i was the player that copy a different they were not officially but they were forewarned that this is not happen but he is here it is, okay? We're going to take you back to grade 10 economics. I know you love that course. You and Owen the locker, chilling with the textbook, supply and demand, right? The reason why you have to pay Marner more than Dry Settle is not because he's better, it's because there's a scarcity of product. You't get Marner if dry saddle was available to open market. He would get more than Marner on the open market He never got to it

So a reason why Marner could get more than dry settle? Yes, it's presented a cap. Yes, Jonas You're right and when it was signed and we could make that argument But no one's gonna go and say he's better than Leon dry. Oh, of course nobody's making but but going to go and say he's better than Leon Dryfell. Oh, of course not. That's not the point it was making. But the point is you can get Marner for nothing if you're willing to pay him. You couldn't get Dryfell and that alone will be enough.

Supply and demand, limited supply, monstrous demand, it will drive prices up. That's just how it's going to go. It's like a private sale of a house versus a public auction. It's just how it goes. And when on the open market market for them will dictate the price of that market for them to drive his up yeah i had a lot more to it that you're right this is it's logical like it makes

that's not logical is totally is not my right like though he's the top agent by a mile so the cap is going out to do that but do the cap it percentage like it's not dancing that's not what I'm talking about I understand supply and demand, but you also are who you are Also, they're not the dry settle could have gone for more money like he it's not like I took a maximum dollar Well, he did he got the highest paid. He's the highest paid guy. Yes, but he's worth more According to you, of course been on it. Hey, in a nutshell, okay, to my very personal life.

I left school the same year as Brendan Morrison. Brendan Morrison won two Hobie Bakers and two national championships, a better player than me. He had the sign in Jersey, he got $150,000 of signs. I got the sign anywhere I wanted, I got a million. Does that make me a better player? No, it's just the nature of the business when you are a free asset which mishmar has played himself into being and That's why he's got to get more. It's like don't it's kind of right, but not entirely haze the point

You're making about like nobody can have a little GM say we're gonna pen this guy That's why it's not about Marlowe and not saying don't go get whatever you can get. That's not my point. What I'm saying is, like Marner, what is he, the 22nd best player in the league, let's say. That's arbitrary. Maybe you'd have him 15th, maybe someone out of him 28th. I don't know.

Whatever. Dry-Sidle is the second best player in the game. Maybe you have him third, maybe you have him fifth, but he's in the top five. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, is that the idea that you go to your owner and say, I am going to give a right winger

with the playoff performances that he has, the most money anyone's ever been given in the league, is crazy. That's how sports work working always always happens name name someone that got more than the broadest have a little bit happening in the end of the two years ago jane brown was the reason got the way i got he's not only thought that's different brown state was with boston and that's the end of the nba cbs basically if you hit certain check

marks there's not even really a negotiation yes not as a free agent okay answer me this let's say dry saddle didn't sign the extension he was going to become a free agent right now what we get eighteen okay so i think we're going to be a formal eighteen sixteen like he chose to sign early like i understand all of this guy can you tell you how to know

actually don't have to about what I'm talking about I want to interject here for a second because I Understand exactly what you're saying Johnny and and Jonas But what Brian is saying is the optics of this is awful And how do you do awful is the wrong word, but someone is eventually gonna pass dry So noodles like yes gonna Connor McDavid Jonas. That's my point. Well, he's going to pass Marner.

He's going to pass Marner too. So what's the difference? Again, Marner can get whatever he wants. I'm not trying to withhold him from getting money. You're saying this is not about Marner. This is just about Dreisel. I'm saying it's weird that the league may have the highest paid player be like the 22nd best player in the league.

Okay, fair. Who's never won anything like that that to me optically is very straight that's what I'm saying how how much time has to a last before you're comfortable with the idea that the rising cap is gonna take players who are not as good are gonna get paid more than players who are better who have signed a long-term deal then one year that is how long is it gonna be before you're gonna be okay with it good point and I don't have an answer for you but you're right i mean it's going up and everyone's floating up at all and again i'm not saying mitch

shouldn't be like a reason to get a basically what rented and got by rented and also just signed for twelve he his agent new the stars new how do you justify rented and get twelve but mitch getting fourteen point two five he's going to the free market i get it but ranting indeed he could have as well and he decided i'd like to speak out but it's not it was the free market jonas it wasn't objective don't it was because he could have said i'm not signing with you

in dallas was like what we really want you to say correct all the let's work this out pay me what i want they said twelve but he took it he could have stayed carolina and played it out. He didn't. And again, that was like a month ago, a guy who's on the same wavelength, in fact better, certainly in the playoffs, signed for 12, and Mitch is going to get 2.25 million more per year and a team's going to say, I can justify that? That's crazy. It's crazy behavior. I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm happened about predicting it won't happen i'm just saying if it when it does it's absurd

well let me ask you guys this that we've we've talked about i know the cal implications yet and we've all got a lot of our tissue for ranting and get bounced around he wanted the security of a deal you want to take it over to our people and do well i'm just gonna say is there a is there a contending team that is going to be able to fit him in? That would be my... Or is it going to be the Utahs, the Chicago... Do you think Vegas will pay him 14.25?

I don't think he's going to get 14 in Vegas. They will pay him net tax 13 million dollar contract. A Toronto 14 is a Vegas 10.5, they'll give him that. thirteen dollar contract a toronto fourteen of the biggest and i have best of the man that yeah i i get it was a but but the but the point being is this capital be ten and a half it will be fourteen that's the difference right like that so i think that's what i think that's on temple battle will be a very nice to point out that my point johnny is he's not going

to be walking around so that the p a doesn't listed with an asterisk saying he's got he's in a Tax-free state so he's only take home pay they do cap right exactly they do So my my point is is if he is going to get a number north of 14 Is it going to be on a contending team? That would be my question. I'm Utah Montreal Chicago Detroit All would be my question. Anaheim, Utah, Montreal, Chicago, Detroit, all would be willing.

Toronto would not do 14 but something close to it. Toronto might be the best team that he'd get the most money from really to be honest. Oh yeah. And he'd get that eighth year as well but I don't know what you think of Anaheim as a team but they would certainly be up and running out of utah's not the contender but they're not garbage uh... and maybe even carolina another carolina won't give fourteen aga cacti

they will not but they're a good team and they would give him a contract would make it one of the high-speed players in the week who he might he might get a good team i mean they're there might be teams teams moving money around or or whatever also right you can free up stuff from uh... who it's kind of difficult to do is because it's been seven years but if you can recall went to our sign your who do you who do you think

is a higher profile free agent mitch marner where he is today for john to bars where he was seven years ago i mean the higher profile of mention the coming from trial person john to our team and a better player although he wasn't on the part of the he never had

he was a hard road to finalize twice you are you know one the other one time he died with jimmy bennett weird year eighty nine points you know, Mitch, yeah, no, Mitch is probably slightly higher. I mean, the point total, they're up. Um, the exposure in Toronto is up. The hype around his contract in his career is much greater than what John DeMars was when he was leaving the Island. So I was far as profile,

I would say, Mitch, as far as player, you know, not the more in depth conversation. Okay. Well, we'll have that over the next two weeks. We'll have that in depth chat. I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. We're around.

We're going to be around. All right, Johnny, enjoy your travel. We'll do it again soon. All right. I'm back out to Edmonton. I'm in a quick layover in Toronto, back out to Edmonton tonight. Noodle, aren't you supposed to be out in Edmonton this week or no? Are you out there? I am, I'm out there right now. Are you there already?

I'm out there in Toronto, we're all backwards. There you go. Alright, well you guys can meet up tomorrow night at the rink. We'll visit tomorrow. Quick turnaround for game five. Thank goodness. I just... Yeah, just get going. Exactly. Just get to it. Just get back on the ice and start playing again. I totally agree. Yeah. All right, Johnny.

We'll do it again soon. Hi, fellas. There he is. All right. Mike Johnson, our TSN hockey analyst, joining us here on the Maple Toys Hotline. Yeah, supply and demand. I don't know what we just got. We really confirmed or denied there.

What if you were the owner and your GM came to you and said, well, we want to pay this guy $13.9, you wouldn't raise any stink like you just be like I mean the numbers obviously are arbitrary I get it that technically then he wouldn't be the highest yeah I don't I'm not saying this is an attack on Mitch Marner or that Marner shouldn't go out there and get whatever he can get go ahead like it once you leave the Leafs go ahead go get you go be the highest paid player I'm just I'm saying that in my opinion if I were ranking the league he'd be 20th 21st 27th I get he's a free agent I understand that so other

teams are competing and that's incredible leverage and he's gonna make a lot of money and to your point is there a difference between 13 and 14 what probably not but you know there's just the idea the symbolism of leaping ahead of leon dry settle uh... to me is something i would have a difficult time justifying like i was an owner in the g m came to me i'd say i can't he's very good but how how are we building a team if you're paying this guy more than the

best players in the league. Yeah. It seems relevant to the conversation. That's why I kept saying it's the optics of it. If you're literally negotiating right now and you're watching Dry Cytil break records in the NHL finals for overtime goals and doing stuff like that. I get from an optics standpoint, owner going tell me why but what you're saying for your organization is we're getting a star player And all it's costing his money. Yes, I'm lasting us draft picks. It's not so that's what someone's gonna do again I'm not predicting he won't I'm not convinced he will like I'm and he may not want it like it may be from a team

He's not interested in you know Like Mitch is also gonna make a determination on where he wants to play Which is important, but I'm talking about it from a lens of if I'm I'm an owner if I'm in the league I'd be curious to find that out like when the last time a guy You know his status great great player would be the highest paid player in the league You know I don't. I don't know. I don't know if there were examples of that, certainly through the cap era anyway.

Like Panarin signed a big deal at one point when he went to New York. That wasn't the highest though. It wasn't the highest paid player in the league. I think it was like the third highest. But he was 11.6 or something. I think McDavid was making 12.5 at that point or something. Matthew signed for the same number. Ovi was up there.

But that's, I guess that's somewhat of an equivalent. Like Panarin and Marner, very similar. You know, very similar, same position, really good players. Alright, we've got, what do we have? Steve Phillips coming up in half an hour. Steve Phillips, CJ Miles, we're tracking the US Open, overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 2. Are you age 16 to 30 and ready to make a real impact? The Youth Thrive program funded by Canada Service Corps and delivered by the Career Foundation is

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US Open day two continuing Sammy Burns is last time I checked in the lead at 300 he's in the clubhouse So this course is beating guys up and it is it is gnarly out there. It's fun to watch Like it humanizes everybody Yeah, the scores are awful I mean didn't mean didn't they didn't they say though it was probably gonna be minus four would get it done type of thing Four under possibly. Yeah, I'm not even sure that'll get it done Cuz it's probably just gonna get more and more tough, right? Like if the leaders after day two or three under, it may be one

under two under something like that. And that kind of brings everyone back into the play into the field, including Scheffler, although McElroy is out there and he's still playing, but I think he's eight or nine over. He's done like McElroy. He is a fascinating case study because it felt like he was on a rocket ship to PGA Tour Player of the Year, one of the all-time great seasons, and now the second half of the year, the guy can't play. Like, he can't score, he can't do anything. And he's chippy, too. Like, that's the biggest thing. Well, yeah. And that has nothing to do with, like, voting or anything.

Well, I guess it can. You know, guys like Jonas don't like the answers that players are giving them. Hey, I gotta tell you something, I did some research during the break after our conversation, that I think fuels your case, I still don't think you're right. But I still think you're wrong, just based on logic. You would go ahead, you continue. These are the number one cap it in the league for the last however many years. Ready? Yeah yeah so starting in 1415 Ovechkin next year Kane and Taves Kane and Taves Kane and Taves McDavid McDavid McDavid

McDavid McDavid McKinnon Matthews and then dry subtle dry subtle next year theoretically could be Mitch Marner yeah see that's that exactly feels his argument yeah because all of those players have won hearts all of those players have been well decorated all of that type of stuff and again mitch marner fantastic player probably 20th in the league again I'm really really good but he doesn't fall into that category of all the players that you just threw out not he's not in that category and also another thing you just wrote not he's not still in that category and also

another thing with the supply and demand which is valid again a lot of other teams you know everyone can bid for this guy that falls flat when it gets to a point where you realize there has to be a limit on that like supply and demand in other words if let's say chicago's like we're offering him fifteen and anaheim's got to go back to their own and say pop sixteen it is

because the supply and demand like where do you stop with your supply and demand stance but when does it get so ridiculous that it's that it's ridiculous i would have a counter to that but answer that question like you know if you think it's totally cool that he gets fourteen point two five because of supply and demand, then why not 15.5? 17. Like, because if evaluating him as a player is clearly irrelevant,

it's simply about desperation. And because he's a free agent, that's the whole argument, then why stop at 14.1 million or whatever it is. But part of my counter would be star players in the NHL haven't taken enough of the pie, honestly. Like he certainly has. Even going back to well, like even going back to McDavid, that eight year contract, like he could have taken more wasn't there a report that he was going to get more and even that even that number was probably too low for his value. And the other thing, like with all those guys, like the cap wasn't going up, like it's going to go up. Right. Well So that's a factor.

Right. Yeah, I mean it's going up the next three years and then beyond that we'll see with expansion and what else they do. And I think you're probably right, yet that's the name of the game. When you're dealing with a salary cap and a hard cap, if you want other players on your team, because that's another thing. And we're speaking completely hypothetically here, but Marner let's say Marner gets 14 million and goes to a bad team Isn't he immediately starting another trend of just not being able to fill out a roster

Where like that was an issue here you'd think you'd learn from that mistake if you want to win That you can't have your superstars getting overpaid You can't have them taking every penny they can possibly get Because it just doesn't you can't have them taking every penny they can possibly get because it just doesn't have to be can win like i wonder if you went back and ask all them do you think they would all do the same thing again great question probably probably because it's not probably it's it's up to the manager

it's not the you take as much money as you can get it's up to the manager to build the team around that year you know it they shouldn't go on gonna You take as much money as you can get. It's up to the manager to build the team around that. They shouldn't go, I'm going to take less because somebody else is going to. Because what happens if they overpay for somebody else and that player doesn't? I think also what hurt the Leafs,

and people don't talk about it enough, is the cap. As COVID, the cap flattened out. We expected the cap to be a lot higher sooner. Now we're starting to see it grow. So for how many years you want to point out, maybe two, three, four years, the cap was pretty flat. And you had the leaves right with these guys with these contracts eating up a huge chunk of it. The cap was growing by three or four million a year. It wouldn't be as So glaring it was in our faces like the cap had gone up felt like a hundred bucks every year You're like God they're pressed up against it again

What if it grows five or six million a year? It's gonna be it's supposed to be again, but yeah, you know, I mean, obviously there's a lot of different things That would have been great for the leaves that also probably would have benefited every other team in the league but uh... uh... i don't know i'm i'm very curious to see what margaret decides like very curious on the landing spot where he goes where he wants to play what the money looks like with the term looks like a drag suit said yesterday

he's you know someone told him or suggested him maybe it'll be a shorter term deal like maybe Marnard wants what Matthews got four years at whatever amount and then reset when you're 31 or 32 that wouldn't shock me well and like I theorize this I think in something I wrote in the spring like I don't think anyone would do this but like he could do it where you take like a two year deal and then a couple years from now the capital will be at like 113 million or something or 104 or whatever it is. And then you take your eight year deal. Maybe. Yeah. But then again, maybe the world who knows what happens in the world and the world's just got opportunity. I mean, I would think you grab your long-term deal, big money, set up shops somewhere, and

start the second chapter of your career. Like if I'm Marner, that's what I'd be thinking. If he came to you, Hayes, and he said, where should I go, what would you say? I think the Western Conference makes sense. Like for me, if this is a decision like, I've got to get out of Toronto, which would be totally understandable he put in nine years it didn't work out it worked out many ways in another ways it didn't

uh... and if it's just exhausting and too much for a local guy and i could totally understand all that then if i'm him i'm probably get as far away as i can you know i i'm looking at l a m looking at anaheim i'm looking at vegas you know you tell would be compelling just because they, you know, you probably go right in there and you're the face of hockey in a state immediately. It might be scary because you don't know enough about it, and I don't personally, I don't know enough about Utah, but you know, they're a new team, new owner.

Clayton Keller, I guess, he's probably the man there right now, but if Marner were to step in there, it's like, it's your team. You're the man. You're the guy. They don't know a lot about hockey down there. They're probably going to give you a pretty long leash to kind of build yourself up and build that team up. That's what would make sense to me. Anaheim, LA, Utah, Vegas, one of those teams. come through Toronto once a year Come back home in the summer move on with your life. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense Yeah, and Utah's building that their program up to like if you look at it I don't know if you if you look at their Instagram even today there they've busted their rink out. It's like Day 46 of the renovation they're making the rink actually like hockey friendly because there were some obstructed seats 4,000 obstructed seats last year

Like that owner Ryan Smith multi-billionaire. He's putting money into that team like he wants them to take the next step Yeah, I could see them in the mix for a guy like Mitch for sure and you know, why wouldn't possibly making sense? Yeah for sure. Yeah, Steve Phillips CJ miles still to come overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSN app Are you age 16 to 30 and ready to make a real impact the youth drive program? Funded by Canada Service Corps and delivered by the Career Foundation is your chance to develop leadership skills connect with mentors and gain real-world Experience all while giving back to your community. Best of all, it's a no cost program available across Ontario, Nova Scotia, Alberta and BC. Thoughts are limited, so register now at careerfoundation.com.

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We're tracking the US Open and coverage of the US Open on overdrive brought to you by Subaru it looks like the projected cut line probably six over which is wild for any golf tournament but I guess you know somewhat expected when it comes to the US Open but a lot of Canadians inside that there's four Canadians in the field they're all you know six over or better so it feels like they're all gonna make the weekend that's certainly the hope Scottie Scheffler four over through two rounds which you know he's t25 he's in the mix but not what I expected I thought he would be in the lead or in the hunt certainly and that is not the case right now coverage of

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That was game six, and game four is going tonight in the NBA finals. So obviously it started a bit earlier, but six years ago tonight, where were you six years ago tonight when the Raptors went into Oracle, old building and shut the lights out last game ever played at that building as well. That was before COVID and everything man. Crazy wasn't it in game. road yes game six yeah that's what i'd i was trying to remember if it was game six or game seven now he's six on the road yeah uh...

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