OverDrive - OverDrive - June 22, 2026 - Hour 2 - Pierre LeBrun

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jonas Siegel for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun joins to discuss Brady Tkachuk landing with the Panthers, his exit from the Senators and the major rumblings around the NHL. They also dive into the Panthers' contender status, how Tkachuk will fit on the team and Bryan hands out his FanDuel Best Bets.

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Wait, I'm not Jamie Noodles-McCle. Oh, Jonas Siegel. Sorry, Jonas. I was already thinking of where I was going next. Yeah, no, it wasn't even that. I was glazing over the intro because I was going to get to the messy conversation. And I, okay.

I blanked on the fact that you're in here instead of noodles. Sorry, Jonas. My apologies. I think the audience would have picked up on the fact that you're Jonas, not noodles. But I'm glad that you corrected me on it. I am a known Vasilevsky backer. Yes. Yes, the Vesna winner.

Right? You've always been a fan. Even when he struggled. You were always a big, big fan. So Jonas Siegel of the Athletic in here. But Messi, two more goals at the World Cup. That's 18 career World Cup goals for Lino Messi. And every time I see this guy play, I wonder why is he in MLS? Like, how is this guy not in Europe? He's still the best player.

And he's just over here with his feet up and making money. I want to go down an incredible rabbit hole of, like, goals and stuff, like, in the game of soccer. Like, that guy scored some of the most outrageous goals. Like, the ball handling ability, like, just, it's incredible. Like, if you ever got, if you're a fan and you've ever got an hour, just go down, incredible. He has five goals now in two matches. Argentina's 2-0. and like watching he does not defend it's hysterical to watch

you know like if you watch him the ball could be five six feet away from him if it's in the midfield he's not moving like it is hilarious to watch him if the if the other team has possession he is not interested like it's so funny to watch but the second the ball turns over he is gone and it is troubling

if you're an opponent trying to defend him. But messy breaking the World Cup goal record, scoring twice again this afternoon. So France in action tonight. My main man, Erling Holland will be in action tonight, right? Norway playing Senegal this evening. That guy's like a tank, eh? Yeah, he is.

Absolute tank. He's a freak. Yeah, he's a freak of nature. And Canada is Switzerland on Wednesday. And I saw someone tweet out that the way things are trending, it's possible. was trying to determine what the World Cup kind of bracket is going to look like

could get to a round of 16 Argentina versus Portugal, which would be messy versus Ronaldo. And I think that match would be in Kansas City of all places. But that's, you know, Arrowhead's a massive stadium. They'd sell a lot of tickets. The tickets would be crazy in terms

of the prices. But Canada, Switzerland, and on Wednesday, we still don't really know what's going to happen with Davies and whether or not he's not going to start unlikely, but maybe he comes into the match late, gets his feet wet, before they get into the, or beyond the group stage. But the World Cup continuing on TSN, on CTV, and on Crave. Pierre LeBrun coming up here in a moment.

Jay's back home and inaction tonight, Dylan C's on a mound. They got a split, got rained out yesterday. But Shane Bieber returning tomorrow. So he was supposed to make his season debut tonight, got pushed back a day because they got rained out yesterday. That always scares me the pushback, but I guess it was because of the rain out. Yes. Yeah, exactly.

a completely legitimate explanation. Because any other circumstance, I'd be like, oh, boy. What is that one day pushback going to turn into? Yes. What happened here? Why does it have to happen? But Houston in town tonight. So cease on the mound. And then again, Bieber tomorrow. Pierre LeBron coming up here in a few moments. Yeah, the Brady-Cuch news, again, it was not a well-kept secret that he might want out,

that if he wants out, he's going to want to go to Florida. But the timing of it was surprising. I know. But, Brian, did you not think when he flew back to Ottawa to address the media and the fan base of Ottawa? Did you not think it was all put to bed? I sure as hell did. But to be fair, what are you supposed to say? Okay, then just don't fly back there, period, that.

He's a guy like you have to. Yeah, he's got an obligation, I think, to speak. And I appreciated the fact that he did because he could have had an answer as to why he wouldn't. Like, I just, we just had our second child. I believe it was not going to make it up. let's do a Zoom call or something. He flew up, spoke to the media. I guess what he could have done is what Matthews did,

which is just say, like, I don't know. I'm going to see. Well, and he definitely, he could have, he didn't have to play the role of, like, it's so frustrating you keep asking. Fair. That is something he could have avoided. Which is why you always have to take that stuff with a grain of salt.

When they're like, yeah, I want to say, who knows? Okay, so what's the grain of salt if you're a Maple Leaf fan right now with Austin Matthew? How are you reading those tea leaves? Turn around. It seems to be trending in a better direction because stuff has actually happened. Like since the end of the year, when all that stuff was happening,

they didn't have a GM, right? That was like, who are they going to hire? They have a GM. Now they have a coach, and they have a coach who he played for. They just added a defenseman who helps him a lot conceivably. But we'll see.

So you think that, like, if Austin Matthews had some kind of mandate, Jonas, where it was to be like, I'd like to see some improvements with the team, Darren Roddish, and I don't even remember the name of the guy from Philly that they got. Amel Andre? So you think that's going to get his intent is up to say, okay, let me put the Florida Panthers roster up against ours. I think we're trending in the right direction. The right direction for what?

I think it's a start, but you're right, and that's why I wouldn't jump the gun on anything. Like, what if this Nye's trade is just like a disaster? you know what I mean like then what if I'm him I would just I just think he's going to be watching to see what they do more stuff has happened since the end of the year when he said like I don't know what it's going to happen like he handled that I think about as well as you could without being like okay so does the organization would you assume that they're smart enough to understand and now they're acting in a sense where it's like we know that this guy might like it and he still might come to us any day now and say I'm out of here

so we still have to do this? Like it's a weird way to operate. It really is. 100% like it's awkward. But the moves that they've made are not, we're trying to be good five years from now. Like if they had hired David Carl as their coach, it'd be like,

like you're hiring a first time coach now? If they had, you know what I mean? Like if they had traded for a, I don't know. If they, Radish is a good example. Like he's,

he's a right now. Absolutely. The moves, Radish in particular would indicate they're very comfortable in the idea that Matthews is here and committed to trying to win. For now.

Sure. I mean, he's got two years left on his deal. You can never... I've got to tell you the name that I think is most interesting that Pierre, we can ask him in his story. If I was... The Leafs, I'd be like all over it is Orensky. Zach Werenski. Who's two years left on his contract? Do you think he's going to be available?

I don't know. An American wants to come north of the border and play up here? Okay, let's bring in our TSN Hockey Insider, joining us here on the Maple Twitter hotline. Here's Pierre LeBron. Pierre Worensky to the Leaves. Your thoughts. You guys are just trying to radio me on one of my last appearances of the year.

Reasonable question. No, listen, I reported this a couple of times. I know it rankled a lot of people in Columbus, and that wasn't the intent, but a lot of teams around the league are keeping a close eye on where that's head of Brazakurenski. He is not officially asked for a trade. I think that's important to note, but there are certainly indications that him and his camp, his agent John Moldover, are having conversations about what the future looks like. He's got two years left on his deal.

You know, there certainly could be a thing that plays out over another 12 months because he has two years on his deal. but I think it's certainly very possible that at some point before the end of the summer that it's communicated maybe to Columbus that, hey, we're still going to play hard here, but we don't think we're going to sign an extension. So take that information for what it is. And so that's why so many teams are keeping an eye on it because, I mean, that would be quite a, quite an auction in terms of how many teams would want to get in on Zach Wrenzki, no question about it. before I ask this question, I'd like to get Joe from the bridge to maybe center you a little better, Pierre. You look like you're 14 feet tall compared to us.

I like it. So Brady Kachuk gets traded. Quinn Hughes is gone. Like, we were talking in the first segment, Pierre. Is there anything to be done about this? Or is this just tough luck for teams that are, if you're on that team that one of these players ass out, and ultimately gets traded. Yeah.

I mean, I wrote about this today in The Athletic. I mean, I think you guys touched on a lot of the key points. It's so dangerous to just generalize and say this is a symptom because I think there are a lot of unique situations. I think if you're going to find one overlapping theme in all this, is that all the players in the league want to go to teams that win all the time or have a chance of winning all the time. And yes, it happens to be a lot of them are also in no state.

income tax states and often warm weather. But I'll say this. Like I know today I was talking to an agent who said that he was surprised to hear from his client that his client wanted Montreal added to his list of places where he wanted to go play. So Montreal now is changing their perception around the league because now they've had a deep run. They're young. They look like they have a good future. So running a team the right way is still a very important part of this equation.

I don't think this is all about no one wants to play in Canada or no one wants to play in, you know, certain markets in the U.S. I still think running a good ship like Vegas does, like Florida does, like Dallas does, it's still the number one factor for me. I mean, Mitch Marner doesn't pick Vegas if they're a 500 team. Yeah, but Pierre, they've made a lot of transactions. and trades. They made a lot of transactions and trades. And other organization, like Buffalo, might be to say, we can't be that active because when we go to make the transaction,

the guy coming the other way, we're on his list, and we can't make the transaction. There's a bunch of other organizations that would love to be as active as Vegas. But guess what? A lot of the players, they say those are the teams that we're not going to. So you can't be as active as Vegas. True. And that is true. And the reality is it's harder for the Winnipeg Jets to get guys,

for the Ottawa Senators to get guys, for the Columbus Blue Jackets to get guys. That's the reality. I mean, the salary cap has gone a long way to even the playing field financially, but they're not going to even the playing field in terms of where people want to play and live. I mean, that's still part of all this. And here's the tough part is that now that the salary cap is escalating in a very dramatic way over the next few years, that is going to add to the have and have-nots, too, because not every team is going to stay right at the cap.

We've had two-thirds of the league spending to the cap for the last seven, eight years. That's going to diminish. We're going to have a smaller group of teams now being comfortable going at that very high number in two, three years. Some teams may even surprise you, by the way, that are talking internally about having a budget suddenly and not being a cap team. So that's going to be a layer on top of all the fact that you got players taking ownership of their careers and wanting to play in certain places. So we're headed in a very interesting era, I think. Well, to Jeff's point, Pierre,

do you think there is anything the league can do now with the no moves and no trades? Or is it like the GD's out of the box and like there's nothing you can do now? It's gone. Someone joked with me today. Sure, we'll convince, you know, the NHL will convince the NHLPA to get rid of no trades and no moves

and then the NHLPA will turn around and say, fine, let's get rid of the salary cap. I mean, listen, I mean, that's, an extreme response but but those no trades and no moves are that's those are CBA negotiated items that the PA cares a lot about that the players care a lot about because it gives them leverage and protection I get why that conversation is out there obviously in the wake of Brady Kachuk forcing his way to Florida but good luck getting the PA to relinquish on that I mean what would you have to give up

if you're the owners to clean the slate on no trade clause. Maybe the owners just say to their GMs, you're not allowed to give these out anymore. No, like, couldn't you just say no? But then I guess you don't get the player, right? Yes. Right. That means you don't get the player in most cases.

Maybe they need to collude. You can answer your own question of their Jonas. Because like Nashville, when David Poil was still GM in Nashville, they were the last organization left, as I remember. I remember writing about this. They were the last team left that had no moves. other than Peca Rene had one. And the rest of the entire roster, no one had one.

Like, that was like a culture thing in Nashville. And eventually, it broke down because the predators were not going to get anyone, because the agents saying, dude, I got five other offers, and they're all including the no trade, and you guys aren't including no trade. And it just became a position where the predators couldn't negotiate against the world that way. So, yeah, I think the horses that left the barn on that one. Pierre, there's a group chat at Hamilton Country Club, golfing country club, that want to know.

Richie wants to know. Are you 100% confident, and I said I'd ask you the question, that Austin Matthews will be on the opening night roster for the Toronto Maple Leafs? I've learned never to embrace 100%, but my understanding is that Austin Matthews intends on being here next year, that that more or less has been communicated, still not in an official way from the agent John Moldaver to John Chaka, but in a way in which those guys are having conversations all the time, Chaka and Moldaver, in a way in which that's where it's absolutely pointing,

that Matthews will at least give Toronto another year. Now that he's seen the Leafs off-season play out here with a GM hire, a coach hire, some moves, more moves to come. I think Matthews is, I put it at, I don't know. 95%? How about that? Okay.

What more moves would you be expecting, Pierre, when it comes to the Maple Leafs? Yeah. It's interesting. Just a couple hours ago, I was digging in on that a bit, and another team said to me that the Leafs are in on all kinds of things. They're looking to upgrade in gold. They're looking to upgrade on the Blue Line. They're looking to upgrade up front still.

So they've got a lot of balls that they're juggling. And I think, listen, I think John Chakas shared that with the Toronto Media last week that he was a pretty busy guy that way. You know, I think everyone's trying to figure out the Matthew Nye's situation. I know that Chakas said that it's most likely that he's going to retain him. I think there are conversations being had there, I will just say. So I'm not saying he's definitely getting dealt because I don't think that's true. but I will say there's a lot more meat on that bone than not in terms of teams' interest. And it might get to a point where Toronto's no choice, but to dig in on those conversations.

The teams keep showing how serious they are trying to get Matthew Nyes. So, yeah, that's one particular item on the list. And of course, Morgan Riley, as Jonas wrote about last week, I mean, he's open to a move. you know my senses teams like San Jose and Anaheim would be high on his list of destination certainly I know for a fact that he sent a Western Conference heavy list

suggested list to the Leafs Morgan Riley did so we'll see what the Leafs can do with that what would like this Matthew Nye stuff is fascinating because really is yeah everything's like well they'd only trade them if they were blown away so What does that mean? What are they looking for?

Because I've heard it's got to be a top 10 pick, or it's got to be a number one defenseman. They have to have an idea of why they would be peddling him. What is your understanding on that front of like what would be mandatory in return for the Maple Leafs? So that's an excellent question. Because what I was told today is that it depends on the team you're talking. talking about that the Leafs have had ideas thrown at them where one team is offering you know a really good defenseman another team is offering a different type of

Ford but another team is offering a futures package so my sense is the least haven't told teams this is the only thing we're interested in they're just taking calls and saying you know put your best foot forward again I think John Chica is being genuine when he says it's more likely than not. He's keeping Matthew Nyes, but he's also taking calls and again, what I find interesting

is that I think the Leafs have had a lot of different type of offers thrown at them. Not one generic brand, i.e. Toronto's not going out saying this has to be the exact ask. They're listening on different things. Pierre, there's a group chat at the

Winnipeg Golf and Country Club that is It's wondering and asked me to ask you whether or not you think Connor Hallibuck is still going to be a Winnipeg jet come opening night next year. Yeah. I tell you what, when O started that question, by the way, I thought he was going to ask me about Wyndham Clark. I couldn't figure out why everyone hated him so much yesterday on the course. But then I figured out the background story. That was tough to watch.

Listen, Connor Hallibuck is very much open to a change. I mean, that's hardly breaking news. But I think to the point where, you know, I think he'll work with the Jets, you know, I mean, he's got control with a no-trade, but I think he'll be pretty flexible so that the Jets can try and maximize his value. That's my understanding. I will tell you that for sure, the Florida Panthers continue to hover around him. I don't know now that they've spent a lot of assets on Brady Kachuk. if they can pull it off anymore.

And the reason for that is, I just don't think the Florida Panthers will trade Anton Lundell. Anton Lundell is a guy that Ottawa originally wanted in those conversations with Florida. And the Panthers just stayed, they stayed absolutely 100% you know, no-fly zone on downtown Lundel.

The Panthers view him as a number one center, even though they have Sasha Barkoff. They feel they have two number one centers. And so, you know, Winnipeg's looking for a number two center, I mean, I just think Florida will not include Lundell in any Hullabuck deal, so it would have to somehow be packaged differently, and I don't know that Florida can pull that off. But I don't know.

Belsito keeps adding superstar after superstars, so I shouldn't put it past them. But there are other teams that have interest in Halebuck. So that's an incredibly fascinating one to me, because I know you talked about Halebuck's struggles in the past in the playoffs, but believe me, teams still view them as a top five. guy and at eight and a half million a year with term, that's seen as a heck of a contract now with a salary cap escalating.

So, you know, we'll see where that trade goes. But for Winnipeg, they need a second line center out of that, I think, and they need plus plus for them to be comfortable moving him. Pierre, you mentioned the Sends. What do you think they do now? Yeah, I mean, listen, Steve Steyos, you know, there's no way Ottawa wants to go backwards here. and get younger and back up, you know, back up in terms of not being a playoff team like they've been in the last two years.

They want to go turn around, use some of these picks and get players. I know that it's been speculated out there about Jason Robertson and Dallas. My understanding is I don't think Robertson would sign in Ottawa. Listen, that could change. by my senses I don't view Robertson as a realistic fit for Ottawa. So, you know,

why is Robertson not a fit in Dallas? Am I missing something with that guy? Well, no, you're not missing anything other than clearly, I mean, listen, my understanding is they had, you know, they really tried to go out of last week

in contract talks. Obviously, they didn't get it done. So, you know, they are not on the same feet, in terms of what a contract looks like for Jason Robertson. So that could change. But if he gets dealt, and believe me, in the last 24 to 48 hours, Dallas has taken more and more calls on him, if he gets dealt, it's purely because his ask was not something Dallas felt could work with their payroll.

Do you have any idea what his ask is? I'm not criticizing. I don't know exactly, but it's, I think it would open your eyes. it was described to me. And listen, I don't begrudge agents with star players. Like this, the cap is exploding. And I think everyone's trying to get comfortable with, you know, like the Buffalo Sabres would have loved to resign Alex Tuck.

And by the way, maybe they do at the 11th hour before next Wednesday. But, you know, the gap forever there was that Alex Tuck and his camp led by the Bartlett family, they looked at Adrian Kempi's deal in L.A., which is, I think, 10.25 million a year. and saw a pretty good comparable. And of course, Buffalo looked at Nick Schmaltz's 8 times 8 in Utah, and they saw it. So, you know, you understand where everyone is in this new world and why agents are trying to maximize

what they can get for their players. But, you know, I think Alex Stuck thinks, for sure he's getting double digits on the open market per year. And I think for Jason Robertson, I think they're, you know, and by the way, remember, they changed agents, Jason Robertson did. And so whenever that happens, it's about two things. It's either about

I want to shoot for the moon on my next deal or I want to get traded. In this case, I think it's shoot for the moon. Like, I think he wants to stay in Dallas, but ironically enough, it might get him traded. With Pierre LeBron or hockey insider, so I'm going to keep this bit going. Is this a phone, a friend? Oh, a country club. The Surrey Gulf and Country Club sent me a text and said,

Elias Pedersen wanted to ask Pierre if, you know, Pedersen is going to be a Vancouver Canuck as of opening night next year. So go ahead, Pierre. Can you answer that for the boys at West? I mean, listen, not if the Canucks have their way, I think they would love to be creative and find a way to work with a team to move him. But, boy, I've asked a lot of teams about what kind of world would it take for you to take that on, you know, long term at north of the 11 million. in a year. Obviously, the conductor will have to eat. But it's not just about that. It's, is teams worry that Patterson looks content? There's a concern about, I think, how hard he's, he wants to work. And listen, this is the danger with eight-year deals, by the way. Not every single player in the league is going to be Cindy Crosby and pretend that he's a fourth-line

center working for his, you know, working for his job. You know, money changes something. people. And I think there's concern about whether how much of the former EP40 that even a fresh start can deliver. So I think it's more likely than Nadi's still in Vancouver, but not because the Kinnucks won't try everything to find a way to move him. Yeah. You think the Matt Sundeen angle factors in there, Jonas, at all? I was just thinking like if they ate half, would I think about it? And would Sundeen, with Willie here, you know, is there an element today? They just gave them away and retained half? Yeah.

Although at the same time, the Siddines are running things in Vancouver. So you think if anyone could get to them, it would be possibly like that. And they've been there the whole time too. Right. And it hasn't mattered. Yeah, you're right. Lastly, Pierre, you know, obviously the news of the day is Ottawa, Florida. We talked about Hallibuck.

But where does Sergei Bobrowski come into play on things? yeah so um the florida panthers have not closed the door there they're still trying like heck to resign him it's absolutely mind boggling to me by the way that this has played out this way with brobrosky and the panthers i mean you want to talk about the perfect fit remember brabosky left columbus he wanted to go to florida he got the contract he wanted 10 million a year he's won two cups every time i see the guy uh you know during the last couple of the last couple of Cup finals. He seems like the happiest man alive being a Florida Panther. It boggles my mind that this, that there is no extension in place so far for Sergei Barowski of Florida. And listen,

again, it has to do my understanding is with quite the ask from his agent at the start of these negotiations. But the Panthers are still trying to sign him. He turns 38 in September. But in the meantime, you know, the Panthers have plan B, plan C, plan D. Like I said, they're there's keeping or staying in touch with Winnipeg on the Halibuck. And then there are, you know, there are other goalie targets that they have, and I think some actually might be surprising. So Florida has a plan, it's just not clear, I think, where it's going to end up. But it starts with making sure for sure that the doors close or not with Vovrovsky. They love to find a way between now and next Tuesday at midnight before the Wednesday market to reel him back in.

But they may not, you know. You know, he may go to market, and then the Panthers have to go to Plan B. Great stuff, Pierre. Awesome catching up with you, buddy. We'll do it again real soon. Right on, right on. We'll chat probably next week before July 1st. You got it.

100%. There is, Pierre LeBron, our Tesson Hockey Insider, joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. It's time to Toyota check out the Toyota Tacoma and Toyota Tundra pickup trucks, both available as hybrids, Maple Toyota, near Canada's Wonderland and the Maple Auto Mall. Lots to chew on there. Like, that was a lot going.

on in the league right now in terms of it. There is. Noodles might be right because he's been saying he's been promising. I think it's going to get crazy. Yeah. Brady Kachuk's pretty crazy, but can there be craziness to follow that? I think it's possible. You know, I think, honestly,

it is possible. Yeah, we'll see. There's a lot going on and free agency doesn't open up for over a week. June 22nd. We're not even at the draft. That's the amazing thing. The least have the first pick overall in a few nights.

Yeah. And like it seems like a formality they're going to take McKenna. But you want, like, stop the press news. They get up there and take Chase Reed or something. People are going to... I don't know if they freak, but we'll be stunned. It seems like they're just going to take

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All right, so I threw out something to chew on. Brought you by Boston Pizza. Florida Panthers versus the field to win the Stanley Cup next year. Jonas, how would you vote on that? I would take the field. Take the field. I think that's pretty easy. Okay.

It's a good question. overwhelming votes going to the field. Now, I should say on fan... It has to be the field. Yes, I think that's smart. What if you broadened it to Vegas or Florida or the field? Vegas, I'm curious about. New coach, rookie head coach in the league.

They got hot, red hot to their credit, but didn't have a great season, older. Florida's got, they got to prove it to again, though. Like, they're older players. They got some older players. They had down years. Who's in net? Like on Fandu, Carolina and Colorado, I believe, have better odds to win the Stanley Cup.

Carolina is at number one, I would assume? Yes, Carolina at number one and Colorado at number two. Didn't Brady could Chuck add Carolina into his mix there as far as teams he'd be interested in? Reportedly. Yeah, reportedly. But in the end, it was Florida. Yeah, I would take the field too. but Florida, like, you look at their mock lineup.

It is absurd how good they are. It is insane. You can say what you want. They have to, let me clarify, they don't have to apologize for anything. None of this is their problem. Florida, Vegas, if I was a fan of their teams, I'd be ecstatic. Dude, can you, like, sometimes I just think about it like this, Hayes, and Noodles always talks about it.

If you were overdrive Brian Hayes in South Florida, and we were a hockey show down there, you would be so, You would have this board up going nuts saying that is the best forward lineup in hockey. Yes, it is phenomenal. And I was asked today, like, is this good for hockey? And here's the issue I have with it. Like I said earlier, you know, comparing it to the NBA and super teams and all that. There's two players in the NBA that have a no trade clause.

There's 300 in the NHL. You know who they are? I actually do. Go ahead. It's unbelievable. Can you guess? Bradley Beal is one. of them. I remember that historically.

And I would have said LeBron, but his deals up. No, I'm pretty sure. It was LeBron? Okay. Which is absurd that Bradley Beale had a no trade clause. But this is just so hyper-focused on, like, only going to this one team. Also, the NHL is more regional in the U.S.

You know, it's not going to get the national media that there's some super team Florida Panthers that apply if the Knicks are great or Golden State or in the NFL if there's dynasty team. And honestly, and you go, oh, you're going to roll your eyes and say, here we go

again. It's lost in a way because of the market it's happening in. Where if this was the Rangers, it was the Leafs, you can't be this big evil empire if you don't have fans that go anywhere. Like, they don't

have fans that even travel barely to Tampa. Like, you're not going to show up at a game. Like, the Yankees, when they're in Boston, Seattle, Arizona, L.A., Miami, there are Yankee fans everywhere. When the Cowboys go anywhere, they're relief fans everywhere they play. Florida is a unique fan base. They do have a fan base. It's become very popular over the last couple years.

But they like, when they've had quality teams, they build momentum towards the playoffs, and then all of a sudden it's mayhem. Yeah. It's like all these Florida Panthers are there. Yes. like this past year, there were a lot of games where you watch like there's not a lot of people there. They just went to three straight cup finals.

Like I get it was a down year, but that's not happening, you know, to that extent at Yankee Stadium, Scotia, Cajaboy Stadium. If the Cowboys won two straight Super Bowls, the next year, you could never get into the building. I don't care if they went 0-117. You couldn't get into the building.

So in Florida, it's just, it's again it's it sounds like a loser's attitude and mentality but it's there's just they're the panthers it's not they're not an original six team it's not just had a really good front office they've done a brilliant job bill zito has done an absolutely incredible i don't understand the comment though it's just the panther what are you talking about what i mean is if you're gonna if you if you if you think it's good for the league that you have this like super team i don't think it was works in the NHL because I don't think you can have this like powerful brand throughout the sport when it's the Panthers. Like I think it's not to be.

You're saying if the Rangers were the super. 100%. If this was happening in the, with the New York Rangers, Batman would be laughing down Broadway and say, man, this is going to be ESPN's picking this up, Fox picking the, this, they travel everywhere they go. Like they're an incredibly compelling team. Incredibly compelling. Same with Vegas.

But it's just not, there's not enough chops to the market. as a hockey market to really make it pop nationally. I think what they've done there in the last couple years, this year everyone in the States with TV and everything will be all in on that Florida Panthers going, like, everyone will be all. What? I bet you the Flyers will have more national games than they do. You're joking.

I'm not joking. I bet the Bruins will have more. Yeah, they go with the bigger markets. Detroit, Buffalo will have a lot. Maybe not as. Yeah, they will. Because Buffalo's good young team. They watch.

Like they base it on whether or not they think the people are going to tune in. Yeah. And that's my point on regional versus national. Like you can have the best player in the NFL playing Kansas City and everyone's going to watch. LeBron can be in Cleveland. Everyone's going to watch. You can't have, it just doesn't, it doesn't translate. It's kind of similar like in baseball.

Now, the Dodgers happen to be in a massive market that works. because it's L.A. But if Otani was going to the diamond bags and then Tucker followed, they'd be like, this is trouble. He was on the Angels. He was like great, but nobody talked about this. He's exploded way more because he's with the Dodgers.

Can I ask you guys a spicy question? You just talked about cup winners for next year? How would you power rank the cup winners or the cup contenders among Canadian teams? Or I could just ask you who, if you had to pick one Canadian team, to win the cup next year. Right now, before we see what happens with three agencies.

It's a very simple answer. It's the Montreal Canadians because they were the last team standing. Okay. And that's crazy to say when another team has the two best players in the world on it. Yeah, I think Montreal, like Dobish and Fowler as a tandem, is going to win, I think, a lot of games next year. Yeah. And they'll probably be active this year.

Like they're lurking in the weeds. There's a their noodles is gone. We can say it now, boys. Like you get Mike Babcock in there. I don't care what kind of X's and O's that guy can draw on a chalkboard. They don't get enough saves. They just don't. Edmonton, you mean, yeah.

Edmonton Oilers. Like they flipped out both of their goal tendings and it was a complete misfire. Yeah. They need to figure, and they went and signed Dickinson and Murphy. today. The big deals. Like they acquired them at the trade deadline and they're good enough players, good players. But like whenever they make a move, immediately people say, I wonder what McDavid's thinking

right now. You know, Trent Frederick, Murphy, Dickinson, the goalie trade, Tristan Jari. You know, he signed that deal on the money. They used it on those players effectively. And Mike Babcock, which by the account. he is a supporter of. But, yeah, I think Montreal has taken the driver's seat on that front. And then I think Edmonton, too, the next one is like, is it still Ottawa?

Like, Ottawa would be there for me, but I don't know. Without Kuchuk, I'm curious what Ottawa does now. Like, I think they, I think they have to be active. I think they've got to swing for the fences and make a trade. Like flip the picks or something, because that fan base. What I just mentioned to Pierre O'Brien, they can be active and say, you know what, we can go out and pursue Jason Robertson. And by the way, that guy's probably asking for $13 to $15 million a year. With the point production that that guy's put up, that's probably in somewhere the vicinity of his ass.

Totally. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, no, I hear you can't do to brink it 2.0. No, no. So it's easy to say they've got to be aggressive and try to replace Brady-Cachau. but I talked about it with Pierre. The guys on the other end might be like, that's one of my teams.

I don't go there. So it's awfully difficult to just say, go and get a great player to come there and play. And if you start doing stupid stuff, like overpaying, it's a dangerous game. I would keep the ninth pick. I'll say that. We were at the draft when Vancouver and Jersey

made the deal, Corey Schneider for, I want to say the ninth or tenth, the overall pick. And they took Bo Horvett. It was a great deal for Vancouver. Like he developed, he was their captain. Eventually they moved off him. They never should have, but they did. Is that when Jerry said you're going to want to hear this? Absolutely. It was in Jersey. It was at the Prudential Center or whatever it was.

And that turned into a great deal. If you can pick a really good player at 9, softens everything. It's going to take years for that guy to get there. It can take a long time. But you've got the 25th pick. you've got future picks with these Florida picks with these Florida picks coming in and you went through like a six year rebuild

and finally the last two years it's popped you owe it to yourself the players that are still there the fan base Travis Green you got to try to approve that team and I'm sure they're going to try to but that's the other thing about this deal

like they got futures back didn't get a player So, I don't know. I don't know how that works like when you have one team who's like you're not getting Lundell. Can you just be like, okay, then the conversation's over? Like what do you do? That's a lot of thinking.

That's what Vegas would do. Keep bringing that up. Everyone's like, do what Vegas does. Vegas would be like, no, not happening. Okay, well, okay, so you're not giving us Lundell, then that pick has to be unprotected. Exactly, 100% unprotected. And we don't know what was going on behind the scenes for directions.

That's the only way I can see the conversation going. Like, oh, Cichuk is here, but if Lundell's not coming the other way, the conversation's over, so how do you want to handle this? Well, and let me ask you guys another question. Let's say Halebuck, you can get Halebuck for Lundell. Why would you not do that if you're Florida, if you don't have a goalie? I wouldn't do that. A goalie? I agree.

I think Lundell is going to be really good. Artie is really good. He's not like 20 years old. He's not old. He'll be a little. Hella Bucks 31, right? I thought he was 33, but he's in his early 30s. He won the heart in the Vesna two years ago.

Yeah, I wouldn't do that, but yeah. Yeah, you could talk to yourself into it. So what are you going to do in that? Jonas isn't the believer of you can have two mids. Well, you're a Bussie-Handerson guy for life. Yeah, Bussie. I just think goalies are impossible to figure out. Like, I'm not giving up my number two.

Well, he's not a number one. Anyway, but I love Florida. like Anton Lundel is a one. No, he's not. He's not right now, but he's not going to be. He's a really good player. Okay, well, on Toronto, he would be their number two. Okay. And on most teams, he would be a number two. Exactly. Okay.

But you're answering, he's not a number one. You know what the thing that is impossible to get centers, especially number two centers? Have you looked at like free agency? The Leifes need a number two center? Who's their number two? There are no centers. Is it him or Sam Bennett? It's the same thing. Okay, but that's my point. Do you have bar or? you have Bennett already. Like if you don't have a goaltender,

if Bob leaves, they literally don't have anyone signed. Yeah, you can trade for someone. You can sign someone else. I don't know. Okay. All right, all right. I'm just saying. I just think if I was ranking what's more important,

I'd rather have the number two centers, like 25 or whatever he is. Than like the number one goalie will play 60 games for you? Yeah, but like, okay. It's, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm just asking. You're right. It's worth thinking about.

That's just like my first thought. I would hang up the phone about us. Not doing it. Lundell's a really good player. Like, he's a really good player. He feasted two years ago because he was up against weak matchups. He was not. That's not true.

If you watch that Leaf Series, he was against Matthews being all the time. You're telling me, Barkov and Bennett didn't get a lot of the bigger matches. Remembering that series? He was unreal in that series. He was so good. He was really good. That line was their best line. Luster Rinen was a great line.

I'm going to pull up the numbers, just to duck out of check. Come back from a break and get the numbers, Joe. I just think it's a little bit out of control. Like Lundell is all of a sudden. You're not getting Lundel. Like, where would he rank on that team in terms of value? Like Barcove's ahead of him. Matthew could church's ahead of him.

Foursling's ahead of him. Sam Reinhardt's ahead of him. Okay. That's four. Maybe next. So he's, I think Seth Jones might make a case now. Sure. Seth Jones. So he's sixth or seven.

Like that's a testament to how great that team is. But that's also today. It's also like two years from now, three years from now. Like I don't know how old Barkov is. Well, they clearly have a three or four year window here where they're like we're trying to get one more. Two more if we can. And then it's like all bets are off. I don't know.

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I'm sure he'll have a lot to say on the Brady Kachuk stuff. I mean, he's as close to the Ottawa senators as you can get, close 50 plus games a year. So he will have his views and angles on that and what Ottawa could do in the future. and what else, like, I'm bracing for by tomorrow at 4, probably something else to happen in the NHL. I'm waiting for the NBA.

Like, get Yonis traded by now. Like, something's got to happen. I think the draft is tomorrow. Yes, NBA draft this week. We got the NHL draft this week. Got Jays Houston tonight. Dylan Seventh to Toronto? Ah, that could be interesting.

Is that a possibility, Hazy? I don't think so. It sounds like Boston or bust. Like, that's what everyone. Or Miami, you're right. like Boston would be more complicated with, you know, how you make that work. Miami, I could see him wanting to be a part of that. But we'll see.

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