OverDrive - OverDrive - June 23, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Frank Corrado for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys dive into Trevor Zegras' trade to the Flyers and his role in Philadelphia, John Tavares' negotiations with the Maple Leafs and the priorities for the team moving forward. ESPN NBA Analyst Quentin Richardson joins to discuss the Thunder winning the NBA championship, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander winning the Finals MVP and his greatness in the league and Kevin Durant's deal to the Rockets.

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This hour of overdrive is powered by FanDuel. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, Overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, and up on TSN4, Brian Hayes, Jamie Noodles, McClennan, Frankie Corrado in here this afternoon. How we doing? How are we staying cool are we? I know how Joe from the bridge is staying cool. I was not expecting to see that today. Are you talking about his

hair or his gear? No, his hair or lack of hair. He has gone full Messier. Yeah. You know that? Oh yeah. Joe from the bridge is full messier today. Like down to the skin type of messier? Because he had a, I thought he had a glorious set of hair that was just really gray at like 25 years old. Was that not the case? He's right down to the wood today. Yeah, he did. He was an early gray guy, but I think he pulled the shoot on his hair a little while ago.

Really? But he's, what's always amazing about a workplace and i i'm guilty of it today i got to admit is you know that the conversation of wearing shorts at an office and this is a fairly laid-back place you know for the most part but people are working yet and i i am wearing shorts today and i realized on my way and i'm like i don't know if i've ever really worn shorts in here i'm sure i have but it is something as a lot of guys around here wearing shorts.

Wear a bikini if you have to it's ridiculous. If you're sitting under a desk no one can see no one will know that you're wearing shorts. I understand that but that's the TV audience doesn't know that I'm saying when you're walking around and you guys can say that but there are a lot of jobs where you just you can't just have the choice to wear shorts like if you have to wear a suit you have to wear a suit you have to wear a uniform that's what you have to you can't call up and just say well it's 40 degrees I'm supposed to wear like we live in a society here where I feel like COVID has just it's changed everything where no one has any decorum and I'm looking at myself here. I understand that this is self-inflicted

I'm wearing shorts. I did not wear flip-flops. I've seen those around There's some guys there isn't around there's a flip-flop shorts. Yeah tank tops are not far off There are sweats in the winter like let's go It's a lot of there's a lot of like loose baggy That's colorful what it is, man. It's a wild scene. There's a lot of like loose, baggy, elastic-y sweats in the winter. And as soon as it turns to 40 degrees, that just gets trimmed in half. And it's like there's the short version with the thong flip-flops and he's out and about

and he's click clacking in the hallway because the thing hits the floor. And that's post-COVID. Yeah. I worked here long before COVID. I never saw what I'm seeing now, man. And that's, I think, a general rule in society. I think you're seeing that everywhere. You're like, that's just, I think people like, screw it, man. Up here, it's still 2020. Up here, it's March of 2020, man. And I'm just going to kick back and relax.

I think everything's on the table, except for flip-flops where you get to see the guys overgrown toenails that are yellow and somehow there's a shade of black on them. It's around. It's disgusting and they clack like animals like you. You almost clop around. You can hear the toenails hitting the floor. Like that's the disgusting part. I'm fine with it. Work is a tough environment. Try doing it on the plane. Because there's guys who take their shoes and their socks off on the plane and put their feet up. It's disgusting. Like there is-

You should be banned. Yes, they should be walked off the plane. But I agree, there is a level that is expected. COVID changed it. You're right is expected. COVID changed it. You're right, Brian. COVID changed everything where it's like, hey, I'm sitting at home today because it's a thousand degrees out. My kids are home because of the weather at school and that. Or else I'd be in at the studio. But I, before COVID. Yeah, Frank and I, we came in, we have kids, but we're in here. You just relax and we'll

actually, you know, work and care about things. I'll be in there tomorrow. Yeah, whatever. Don't stress yourself. Don't even worry about it. Put your feet up. It was 3.58. Why would you worry about it?

It was 3.58.30 and I'm sitting here, I had a dress shirt on and a jacket because I just taped something with Sarah for Sports Center. I looked at Hayes, I go, I got to change. I had one shirt with me and I'm like, I got to get out of this thing because there's no way I'm lasting three hours with that on. I appreciate it. I appreciate it greatly. And listen, we got a lot to get into. Quinn Richardson will join us later this afternoon. It's a weird day, I would say, around here again at TSN because NBA is done. The NHL is done. The Jays aren't playing today. There's no CFL games. There's no NFL games.

Like, there's no golf tournament. It's just a weird... There was one. Wow. There was yesterday. It was a really kind of cool fun week and it turned into heartbreak and we'll get into that a little bit later on. But this is kind of a weird window where you're waiting. You know, it's a lot of projection now. You know, it's a lot of projection now you know it's a lot of okay now the games are over and what are we gonna do in the NHL and the NBA what's coming in the NFL what's coming with the Major League Baseball trade deadline it's I'd call it the calm before the storm but I can't

guarantee there will be a storm like you never really know what's gonna happen in the next two weeks I think all hell is gonna break loose in the n.h.l. now i say it every year every single year every insider says it to that everyone that is something happening we just you got a brace for it it's happening but something i just feel like this year is a little bit more unique with the cap going up we talked about it every team there's thirty two things thirty two teams that think they're gonna win the cup next year because everybody nobody's bottoming out No, they're not 32. You know what I think they're gonna win the cup next year

What I'm saying is there is not a team that I can think of right now that is like we're rebuilding. We're fine We're selling off people. It's like everybody's signing somebody everybody wants to do something to get better Which that it's rare where before Even the last couple years it was a Montreal's in a rebuild San Jose's in a rebuild Chicago's in a rebuild now The other one Chicago San Jose they're still in rebuilds But they are trying to head north like they are going to be proactive Anaheim another that you see anaheim makes a trade today I don't think they got a lot for Trevor Zegris I'll be honest like I thought that was a well that's what they were just that he has no value and that I think that would yes says to me is Joel

Quindle showed up and said I'm not this guy's not on my team so he's got to go and he's got a reputation like it was he versus got a reputation of you know maybe being a little bit cocky in the michigan's a higher priority yeah how do you think that goes with rick tocket now well that's going to be interesting because i for me it's it's one of two ways i think talk it has like the the player coach in him where he wants to communicate with you get to know you like the whole phil kessel of guinea malcolm when he was the assistant coach in pittsburgh thought he handled that really well but there's also like the hard-ass version of Gennie Malkin when he was the assistant coach in Pittsburgh, thought he handled that really well. But there's also like the hard-ass version of Rick Taukett

who we saw this year with Pedersen, and it's like a lot of that stuff's not gonna fly. So which is it gonna be for Zegras? Is he gonna level with them and just work with them and be patient? Or is it like iron fist right away? Like there's a new sheriff in town here. Yeah, it'll be an interesting kind of experiment there. Now I think for Philly like you said

they didn't pay a lot so you bring in a guy with it uber like uber talent man like Zegras is a guy with a lot of talent. I actually think Philly is a team that is absolutely rebuilding and understands that they're not very good they're not making the playoffs and they're gonna try to find as much talent as they can, accumulate as much as you can, put it all together and hope it grows, and then eventually try to insulate it with veterans, but I don't think they're in a position to do that now.

I don't think they should feel that way. Take swings on undervalued players. Yeah, exactly. That's what you have to look, like when Florida, they took swings on, they took a swing on Bennett, they took a swing on Reinhardt, Verhagge, right? Like guys that were at the time somewhat undervalued, maybe not to the point of Trevor Zegras, but it worked out for them.

So if you're going to be a copycat league, you have to try and do the same things, I guess. And Trevor Zegras, if we go by his skill set, is undervalued based on the return that they just got for him. Well, you're right. But watching him, I think there's been some progression that has been slower than expected. Right?

Because he's not 19 anymore. He's 24. Okay? I think there are other players and other people in his organization that have leapfrogged him from where he should be. And I think, you're right, Uber talented, but is it hockey school talent? Is it one-on-one?

Like, he's unbelievable in the shootout. That's the one thing. I'm not lying. Like, I watched him in the shootout this year, and it's like, that's an automatic goal. And he literally walked in and scored. But in that particular game... That's not a great rep if that's what you're known for as a shootout guy.

I guess my point is, Brian, that night, it was Ottawa-Anaheim, and he did nothing that game, but it goes through a shootout, and it's like, yeah, put that guy on because he's got trick shots and he can come and do it. And sure enough, I think he delivered the win that night. But at five on five and on the power play, it was backhand pass, not sure what I'm going to do, not sure where I am defensively.

So there is upside there. But I think what happened is he was injured. I think he thought that hockey is too easy. You know he showed up and he had the Michigan, he's on the front cover of you know what is the PlayStation and he got a lot of love early on. And there's other players in that organization that have leapfrogged him. And he became expendable. So we'll see if he can get his career, I wouldn't say back on track because he's a good player,

but the expectation, I think, is a lot higher on this guy than what we've seen the last couple of years. Yeah. And again, I don't know if that carries over or not. If you're getting acquired for nothing and it's like, ah, it's a flyer, we'll give it a shot, then I'm not really sure what the expectations actually are. But if you're in Philly, you know, you've got talent, you accumulate talent. The interesting thing is that, you know, it's a team like Philly that gets them. Where you mentioned Florida, and you know, Florida taking a team like Philly that gets them. Where you mentioned Florida,

and you know, Florida taking flyers on different guys. And now that was prior to them getting to the position they're in. But I'm a little bit surprised, like a more competitive team maybe wouldn't think, hey, he could pop with us if we insulate him properly. You know, like it just seems like historically, it's always guy like that goes to bad team

who's got nothing but time give it a shot if it develops great if not we move and Yet we're in a position here with the within the the NHL where it doesn't seem like there's a lot of players available You know like in terms of free agency, you're doing the free agent boards and there's not a lot there I mean like Florida gets thin quick Yeah, and if Florida keeps all three guys, which I'm not convinced can happen or will happen, but they're going to try, you know, if you keep all three of those guys it completely falls off a cliff. Yeah. Like the center, the center market especially completely falls off a cliff, right? Like if Bennett goes back to Florida, if Tavares stays with Toronto, although I'm sure we'll get into that today

because it seems like the numbers are pretty far off. Do Shane stay in with Dallas? After that you're like well Granlin played a lot of wing in Dallas he's a centerman, Pugh suitor is a centerman and then you're like who are we talking about? Nico Sturm's of the world? The guys that are moving the needle and there's a lot of teams looking for their second line center. It's gonna be hard to acquire via free agency. Well, like the Tavara stuff is interesting because you mentioned the reporting and it's been,

from my standpoint, it sounds as if it's being, it's one-sided, the viewpoint of the reporting, which is from the Tavara's camp, he's being low-balled, not being offered enough. If it's not this amount, it's not going to cut it. And I would, if that's the case, I think what his camp is doing is playing off what you just said. Is hoping that the desperation of the market, desperation possibly of Brad Tree Living, eventually pops up where everyone goes well what else are you going to do and like I think kind of trying to feast on the insecurities

of Lee fans that are there it's steeped in and I've seen it we've all seen it we've all talked to a bunch of Lee fans well you got to keep them because who else are you going to get like that's always the response and it's a reasonable one because and I don't have an answer for you who else you would get to fill those minutes or fill that role on the second or third line wherever he's gonna play but a lot of what I've read what I've heard some of it on our show some of it elsewhere that sounds like it's coming from the Tavara side sure like it's and it's trying to feed the beast that is Toronto hey he might not he might not stick around

they're really low balling them they're really disrespecting John but I'm not I and it's trying to feed the beast that is Toronto. Hey, he might not, he might not stick around. They're really low balling them. They're really disrespecting John, but I'm not, I don't know if it's going to work this time. And I think there's a number of Leaf fans and I would, I would argue probably the majority that would say, then leave. Yeah. Like then leave if you don't like it. Because I think Leaf fans, the majority of Leaf fans, not everyone, majority are kind of sick and tired of the contracts and the money and all these players making sure they win off the ice more than on the ice. And I, unfortunately for Tavares,

I think if that's the game that his camp is playing, I think it would have worked last year, definitely would have worked the year before, year before, year before, you go on and on and on not sure there's energy for it anymore i don't think you're gonna get a ton of support of people crying because john to borrow season getting the exact amount that he's asking for i i i think you're out of percent right not to mention that brad tree living

is a manager that is very in touch with the league so if it's not through free agency, which we were kind of laying out, there's going to be plenty of trades out there. That's where I think, again, maybe I say it every year, so I'm the boy who cried wolf, but I do believe there's going to be a lot of action this year. I do believe there are, you know, there are going to be trades. I don't know if they're going to be blockbusters, but I think there are going to be significant

trades where you're going, okay, I can see, like, that's a hell of a player, that's a good player, you know. And, you know, that's kind of what I led with, guys, is where I was saying, I don't see a lot of organizations that are putting their hand up going, we're open for business, but one that jumps out at me and that should be is a Pittsburgh Penguins like I look at and and Are they if they're open for business some really good players there you can go after and and and see what you can land with so You know kind of starts there, and then you start looking at other organizations. Yeah, there's got to be more than just one I when push I know you're out of there only one is I mean, when push comes to shove, there's going to be more when push comes to shove.

The thing about this Tavares contract, like the Duchenne contract comes down and I feel like we almost forgot that Matt Duchenne is still getting paid a decent amount of money from the Nashville Predators. But that's not, Dallas doesn't have to consider that. He doesn't have to, but I guess what I'm saying is Duchenne is in a position where he can say I'm happy to do you guys a favor because I got three and a half coming in this year from from Nashville. So let's let's talk about getting you guys a number that works for you when it comes to Tavares. Like if five million is not going to cut it anymore, I think if you're Toronto, you can look at it and say, well, move on.

We're not going to have our answer our answer though on July 1st. Like that's not gonna be when we have our second line center Iceman. Maybe it's later in the summer. Maybe we're gonna start the season with some kind of weird combination of like Matthews, Domi, Lawton and Camp. And it's not ideal, but maybe you'll tread water a little bit until you get into the season and say,

we can swing something now. Someone became available. We have a chip that we didn't know that we had. Like, I don't think your solution needs if you walk away from tomorrow's, I don't think you need to have your solution. July 2nd. Yeah, I would agree. And here's another element that I think is important to point out is that Brad tree living, I, has got to win this negotiation, quote unquote, because he doesn't have Brendan Shanahan anymore, where if you lose, everything was blamed on Shanahan, right? Everything would, if John had already, if Shanahan was still here and they worked out a deal five years at seven million, everyone would have just said, Shanahan told him,

just give it to him, not here anymore. So if you want to put your stake in the ground that you're the new guy, you're the sheriff You're the guy that runs everything you got your ears to the grind Everything's figured out because you're tree-living and you talk to everybody You bet you can't you don't have the cover of Shanahan being the one you can blame anymore Yeah, if you get a show now if you overpay if it if it's a player friendly contract Well, and this is the first one without Channing and and keep in mind You know that the DNA conversations all that he might have made his mind up whether he likes this player Which I'm sure he does we all do but if he likes John Tavares, he might just say I like John Tavares at this number

That's it. And if it doesn't fit, you go, I'm going to move past them because I've got player X, Y, and Z. Because every manager's got five plans on their whiteboard as to here's our first plan. If it doesn't work out, there is some wiggle room, I'm sure, in the number and term that they're looking at. But if it doesn't work out out if it's just too hard line

Okay on to plan B. Yeah and C and and and that's where it you know, it's interesting Frankie we're gonna be sitting there on July 1st all of us the three of us and everybody else and there's gonna be some weird stuff going on because you all this camps talking to this camp and you know They're gonna make up their decision within a week and you're like okay you know like that's yeah it might not all come down on the first like we usually see where it's you know July 1st at 1201 it's like now this guy signed an eight-year or seven-year extension or a seven-year free agency like that type of stuff so for me I I think we we do have to be open to a lot of unique things potentially happening here in the next week I think there's also gonna be some sticker shock to some of the deals that do get handed out

Like if you zone in on your guy and you get the deal done because the caps going up We'll look at it and be like whoa You just you're paying that guy that much money and in you know in in reality time good is gonna go on the caps gonna Go up that's to look less and less outrageous of a contract. But I think there's going to be some moments on July 1st where we look at things and say, that's a lot for that player. The other thing that I think we need to keep in mind with Toronto is if you had $13.5 million a year for Mitch Marner, he's not going to sign with you.

Okay, let's say you lose Tavares because you're not willing to go higher than you want to. How have you allocated that 13 and a half that you had for Marner? Because chances are you can bring in three forwards. You can probably bring in your big signing, your secondary signing, and like a depth guy. Yeah, it's not your perfect second line center, but at the end of the day, it's like you got three different bodies in there that you can use differently for the time being until you figure out what you want to do or who you can get. Yeah, you got to be careful though too, right?

I understand they're going to spend and there's always an urgency and you're in a window and it's Toronto, so you got to be up against the cap. I would prefer, keep flexibility, keep some room as opposed to just signing a guy to sign a guy yeah because that's that's my fear is like okay Marner's gone Tavares is gone oh everyone's looking at you saying how are you gonna keep up and it's like okay we got to get this guy here's a six-year deal and you're like how do you give that guy a six-year deal? Whoever that player happens to be right like without naming anyone but you're like that guy's not worthy of that Have you done your 13 and a half million dollar budget for three players?

Like in you if you could spend 13 and a half on three guys in this ufa Do you know who you would want to not really? I mean my dad of our Shan is a guy clearly that you know Bennett But again, I'm not convinced like Bennett. It doesn't seem like he's leaving Florida. I think Bennett is probably gonna stay, but like if you could give Marshand eight, could you get four for like Manjhia Pani and like another one and a half for someone? I keep hearing Manjhia Pani. Like how is he a guy that fits here? Just based on like the GM kind of knowing and he's a worker. I think more it's just like Guy said.

I just don't, I don't, I understand. I think more is just like guys that I just don't I don't I understand I get I've just I've seen his name out there like I'm on Giappone in the Leafs I'm like, how does that fit? I get he's a Toronto guy. Yeah, played in Cali not very big had 14 goals What what is that doing for your DNA change? Well, I mean, I'm not convinced that's you know A move that makes a ton of sense, but you can't land, I guess you can't land three headliners. Yeah, no I understand that. You can land one headliner and you gotta fill out the rest. Now it's also.

And that's the guy that fills out the rest. With the presumption that you gotta move off Yarncroak probably if you're doing that, you probably gotta move off David Camp. And you gotta figure out, you know, is Cowan a guy that's gonna play for your team? And Camp's gotta go to the, like you can't buy, it costs more to buy out Camp than it would

to send him to the min with the variable amounts like right that's the move unless you really don't want to be your organization you buy them out but like i don't see that i have flexibility that's the move i think what you are doing well as you guys are in the dark i think they cease kicking in here i could be a whole blown easy power out that noodles going garth auger be prepared you better have very stuff because Frankie and I could be out at put it this way second

Oh, you know, you know what'll happen if you guys just disappear. I'm gonna pretend my power Yeah, that's what you should turn the lights out just like Doing the show from He'd be doing the show from the booth over there. That would be awesome. But I, you know what, like, Manjhi Appani made, what, 5-8 last year. He's not making that again. He had 28 goals a couple years ago. Like he's an interesting guy for me because I think he can, he played very far down in

Washington because Washington had him like on the fourth line. You're right, he's not going to make 5.8. But if there is a team that wants him, he can skate, he can penalty, he can do a lot of things. He can score, he's got skill. Not a big guy. But I don't think you're, what you are looking to do is add skill sometimes too, right?

In the right setting. But that being said, I don't know, I still believe, and I don't know how you guys feel. Is it just a foregone conclusion that Tree's not looking to upgrade the D at all? Like, I think I would be trying to add. Like, I think you could need to add anything that's available. Not go crazy, but if there's something

that makes sense, I still think you need to look at it. Possibly. I mean, I don't know. I look at it like they're committed to tan of mckay bryley carlo act more so they all of three plus years on the deal yeah and i thought then what was great i've been always great in the playoffs yet because i number six okay you talk

in some depth as a guy that could compete there sure but you're talking a top four guy possibly but then i means one or two guys have to leave. It means somebody has to go. You're right. Like I just. And obviously that's got to be Morgan Riley, doesn't it? Like who else is going if you're making a big, like a groundbreaking change?

This is the thing. If you're going to upgrade on D, it's because you're making a seismic change for a true number one guy. If you want to bring in a five or a four or even a three, you have that. You have those guys already, so you're going to add another one so you can play on your third pair. I don't mind the way things are slotted on their back end, but if you're going to make a change on D, I think it would be you're looking for a true one. Whatever you think that is, but that's kind of where I think it would go.

Yeah, exactly. It costs a lot. we usually have to draft that guy what's carlos uh... situation yes two years at three eight and these does he have a no move i don't believe so no no protection like that's the guy i would circle even though looks like i like a six five defenseman every day of the week a guy who can you know defendant interest rate of phrase phrase amendment in a first i believe for understand that but it was again it doesn't mean it's not the right move

understand right if you if you immediately you decide we made the wrong call you're also saying i was in a stupid trade to give up on a center that's done that could step in and play this year team eighteen no trade carlo yes i know i i i i i i'm just throwing spaghetti at the wall saying if there is somebody that had to go i don't know who that be more it

belongs to one of those two guys but i mean maybe eckman larson possibly to write three years veteran guy played pretty well he's one don't know what his contractual status is there there are options i hear you say but i'm moving off tan of i don't think that the caves deals just kicking in the night yeah i'm moving off him uh... i like controls his off him Riley controls his own Riley Controls his own destiny exactly. I think it's just you know, it's interesting, you know listening to managers and stuff like that

Like you know, well Stan Bowman was like no defense is fine. Why are you doing anything? You said a happy there? He said goalie and forwards. Yes So I mean if somebody drops in your lap or if there's a deal that makes sense I think you always have to be looking. That's kind of where my point was is I don't think you close off anything. If there's a multiplayer deal that you can pull off with a team, then you're always looking to upgrade.

That's the way I look at it. Yep. I think that's valid and I would guess that probably is on the table. So yesterday was a crazy day in the NBA. Kevin Durant gets traded to Houston in the early afternoon, which is a blockbuster just based on the nature of the player. You know we're talking about an all-time great player. And then in the afternoon or in the evening Game 7 pops and they've done great ratings. I've seen the ratings down in the

States. I'm curious what it would be like up here. And it was disappointing because Halliburton blows his Achilles out and then you're like, here we go. But Oklahoma City ends up winning and they put together an unbelievable year and Shea ends up with finals MVP. So he did it all. Like he did it all.

Scoring title, MVP, championship, finals MVP. Only Jordan, Kareem and Shaq have ever done that. Mount Rushmore stuff right there. It's a Mount Rushmore type season. Mount Rushmore type season and it's the guy from Hamilton. It's unreal. only jordan kareem and shack have ever done that now rush more stuff so now rush that is i've seen now rush more type season and it's the guy from hamilton it's unreal incredible at hamilton ontario so that a little like they could celebrate a little harder don't you think you have a good end of the weird celebration not only after the game on the court but also in the room rachel nichols had a really good report

i guess she was in there will will play that will get her to tell you exactly what she was seeing firsthand. And Quinton Richardson will come up and he'll join us to chat about Oklahoma City, their future. Are we talking, you know, are they on the verge of a dynasty here themselves? What does he make a KD going to Houston? There's a lot to get into on that front. Chris Johnston coming up. Jays are off tonight. Back in action tomorrow. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. tomorrow, overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. on in style. Choose from designer frames like Ralph Lauren, Coach, Michael Kors and more. Arrange an eye exam at pearlvision.ca and get 40% off lenses. Some restrictions and exclusions may apply. See participating stores for details. All right, Overdrive continues powered by FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening

line of the final score. It's tough watching Halliburton go down last night, man. Oh yeah. Because he came out shooting the lights out too like three quick threes. He looks like himself. He played well in game six and you're thinking okay he's through it. Like the calf strain is not gonna be an issue for him. Isn't that what Durant did when he tore his? Like he had some shots he made and you're like uh-oh. Yes. And then it went on him. Exact same thing. I was in the building when Durant went down

first quarter, I think he had 11 points. And he had a few like long range threes look great and same kind of thing, man. He just he tried to juke a guy move left boom is Achilles is done and it felt like that was the game and in the end Oklahoma City ends up winning and they take home the Larry O'Brien and to chat about it.'re joined now by longtime NBAer you see him on ESPN all the time and host of the Knuckleheads Knuckleheads podcast back on overdrive here is Quinton Richardson how you doing Quinton? I'm good I'm good thanks for having me. Yeah thank you for doing this so um if Halliburton doesn't get hurt last night do you still believe Oklahoma

City wins that game? I mean you never know but I do I do think they still figure out a way to weather the storm that crowd was unbelievable at home I felt like you know as they did the defender played better you know they're there reserve guys shit and everybody played better at home and I felt like that hated to see Hallie Burton go down man like that hate to see anybody go down like that in the situation prayers up there speedy recovery but I I still think that okay see would have been able to pull that off is Shay the face of the NBA right now or is he sharing it with obviously multiple players?

Yeah, I think he's still being shared but I think right now he's in that lead spot. He's going to be featured this summer after doing the things he did with all of the MVPs hadn't been done in 25 years or whatever and score entitled MVP finals MVP and NBA championship. So I think right now he has the upper hand on anybody else because even when those other guys had won MVP previously, they hadn't done it in this fashion. Their team won as dominant and they hadn't clean, you know, like clean sweeped all the awards the way the SDA did. So I feel like he definitely has a one upup on everybody to even though he's like you know it's kind of so to speak a

shared face of the league but I think you know he put himself in the forefront of all of that right now. And he got to the line 12 times last night and he was effective shooting from the line like he always is but there is that narrative surrounding him and we take that personally because we love Shay up here and everything that he brings to the table but he's been labeled you know a free throw merchant a foul merchant where do you stand on that discussion surrounding Shay that the whistle seems to break his way a lot cap like you go look at any historically great score or anybody that was a scoring leader in the NBA, they got to the foul line.

Those guys, that's part of being a bucket. Knowing how to get to the foul line and knowing how to, you know, make your opponent bite on your face and go for your moves and get them out of place and get them in the air and different things. That's all part of being a bucket, man can't you can't name anybody you go look back at Iverson Jordan all of those guys they all got to the foul line of the extremely high cliff. Last night during the game and especially after the game you start seeing the old graphic of the Paul George trade get thrown around and of course Shea was involved in that like when that trade happened did you think

that it would be this consequential that Shay Gilgis Alexander would be the face of the league, the MVP, and have a Mount Rushmore worthy season in the NBA? No, never. I mean, you never think that this would turn out this way. I definitely don't think the Clippers in doing that trade felt that he would be this good. I don't even know that he that he would be this good. I don't even know that he felt he would be this good.

It's just one of those things where, you know, the kid just kept putting in the work and kept putting in the work and before you look at it, he's moving up, he's moving up and now he's had three consecutive years leading the league in scoring, averaging over 30 and he has arrived, man. This is what happens when you put in the proper amount of work in the preparation and you get the opportunity you see the we're chatting with Quinton Richardson after Oklahoma city won the Larry O'Brien last night and you know the Tyrese Halliburton injury. I'm curious if you've ever been in a situation like that,

not necessarily game seven of the NBA finals, but like when, when your best player or a key player in a big game goes down I was impressed with how Indiana you know got to the half like I thought they recovered well they played well they kept their emotions in check and then it just became too much in the second half but what do you think that that mood swing would have been like you know on the sideline on the bench on the court for Indiana once you see your guy Halliburton go down the way he did? I related to what O.B. Toppins said man in his post game when he was just saying how you know like you know he can't he couldn't speak for everybody else but it impacted him seeing him go down like that he felt like that that kind of took him out of his game and and you know you can't control

that some guys can continue to play and block things out some people is right in the forefront of their mind and it's impacting him i appreciate his candidness and his honesty in that moment saying that that was what happened with him so in terms of projecting a lot of people are already jumping on the you know the okc dynasty train because of how young they are how many picks they have i think they got two first rounders this year for first rounders next year They've got like prospects coming who are studs How many championships do you think Oklahoma City can and will win over the next five years? I'm I don't know. I mean I would I would I would take caution Only because of I I thought was going to be Boston's championship. I had some Pennsylvania like, they got everybody back, blah, blah, blah.

I just thought it was going to be automatic. But seeing how that has played out, knowing that it's a lot of chips still to fall. KD just moved to Houston. It's a lot of chips and there's a lot of chips that still haven't fell in place and things don't go on. So I definitely think they have the wrong way and they have the ability to take off and have a dynasty and get themselves like, you know, three to four

or three, two to three and five to six years and be in that conversation. But at the same time, I could see situations playing out to where they possibly won't win it next year because somebody else jumps up and gets that much better and gets on a run and goes into the playoffs and win it because the way the NBA is structured now is they we're getting what we want. There's so much parity. You haven't had seven, eight straight years of different champions in a long time and I think it could continue. I definitely look at OKC

as a threat to go on and repeat or start a dynasty but I think that easily could they could be unseeded too just by one or two things happening and then it's a dynasty but I think that easily could they could be unseated too just by one or two things happening and then it's a different scenario. You talked about the league parity there and you know we just saw two teams kind of built differently go head to head. How do you think the new CBA and the league parity will affect either of these teams or who will it affect more? A team like Indiana where, you know, there's no, I guess there's no like super superstar on that team. They're just a good team. Or OKC who obviously is a little more star studded.

Well, I think OKC, I mean, Indiana, obviously, with Halliburton, that sets them back. I mean, if they had everybody back healthy, I would say that they have a legitimate shot to be back here next year But with Halliburton being out likely the whole season because of the injury he got in the time. He got it Next year is just like a holding place a year for them I don't know what they'll do to feel the gap But like next year is like a gap year for them for me. So I mean, okay see now they're a different story

I think they you know, they're to be right back ready to go again. They got draft picks and this and that. And they got all of their guys back. They'll find a couple of you guys here and there, but their main guys are under contract and going to be there moving forward. So they got a serious chance to really do something special man. They have a special young team guys to really actually like each other and things like that. All of the things that matter, they really got going for them over there at OKC. So it'll be exciting to watch them move forward and see how they grow and progress from this

year. With longtime NBA player Quinton Richardson. So bombshell in the NBA yesterday afternoon, Kevin Durant on his way to Houston. And some pretty significant pieces going the other way back to Houston. You know and some pretty significant pieces going the other way back to Phoenix but this was one of the teams he reportedly wanted to go to. You know Houston was the two seed this year. They got a lot of talent. Does this put Houston, where does this put Houston in terms of your hierarchy going into next season acquiring Kevin Durant? Oh they're right in the conversation man. I

mean when you look around the team they got, they signed, they re-signed Steven Adams, they still got Shane Goon, who's a big guy, and then they got a plethora of young guys, man. They got all of these young guys at the wing positions that could do a lot of different things, a lot of athleticism, and then they got another champion, and Jeff Green, and Vans Leite at the point. So I think getting KD was literally the piece they needed. They were unbelievably defensively this year. They had a great coach with Ime Udoku. They extended him. They had everything they needed except they didn't have a closer. They didn't have somebody that went down the

stretch. We knew where our bucket was going to come from. We knew that Jalen Green was a young guy that was trying to find his way but he was kind of inconsistent with his shooting and with his scoring. Alperin Shangoon, a young and up-and-coming, he was an all-star last year but he was kind of inconsistent with his scoring. So now what they do bringing KD in the door, obviously we know that's a walking bucket. That's the one thing you know you got is consistent scoring and shooting and being able to put the ball in the hole. now with that being done I'll be interested to see whatever moves they make if they make any other and just how this team settles in but I think they're gonna be a definitely a team contending for the Western Conference and trying

to get to the NBA finals next year. Absolutely he is longtime NBA air Quinton Richardson you can catch his podcast the knuckleheads podcast You see him on ESPN all the time as well. Really appreciate you doing this. I know it's a busy time of year Thank you, and we'll do it again down the road Yes, sir. Appreciate you guys having me So he brought up Quinn brought up, you know when you were asking about where this goes next season and into the future Seven new winners in the last seven years. Crazy. In the NBA.

Yeah, yeah. It's remarkable. Like starting with the Raptors in 19, where the Raptors basically ended the Golden State dynasty. Now the Warriors ended up winning again in 2022, but you got the Raptors, the Lakers, the Bucks, the Warriors, the Nuggets, the Celtics, and now Oklahoma City. And I wouldn't be shocked if Houston wins next year. And it's crazy with Houston, they were garbage, like was it two, three years ago? Yeah, two, three years ago,

they were the worst team in the league. And remember when Nick Nurse was going through his selection of teams, it was like maybe Houston or Philly, and he thought Philly was the team that was closer. Imagine that. And now they're a disaster. They're a mess, like a mess. At least, you know, there's something to be said for that.

Like if you are going through that process, maybe you take the team that's a blank slate and just say, it might not be ready to win now, but we're going to do a little renovation and at least I'm going to have my fingerprints on that and then we'll get to where we got to go. And you have to trust in the manager's vision. You may say, listen, I know it looks bad right now but this is this is what i feel like you can look at in a couple years now landing kb that's a big you know that

i don't know if you can predict that three years out right but no true but that's a big mic drop man like like you said everything else is built you just need a guy that can get a shot off and score like kevin durant can still do that uh... he's not who he once was injuries are concerning you know and a lot of it like he brings up a great point where coming into this season it was Boston that would be a lock to repeat yeah and then they run in injuries Tatum gets injured they're out in the second round see you later you don't know with Oklahoma City you know like maybe you know maybe Shay gets injured next year in the spring and you're like, all right, well, that takes them out.

You know, it's just totally unpredictable. Denver was so good for a long time. Like, you know, there's, that's the like a lot of it is just a war of attrition. And that's why when you see what the Florida Panthers have just done, when you see what the Kansas City Chiefs have done done like getting to the finish line three years in a row is crazy. It's crazy. It's just crazy to be able to do that. It feels so weird in hockey now because noodles every every time your team would have gone to the playoffs would it not would guys not say like guys it's so hard it's so hard to get there and then if you if you ever played with guys that got there, they would tell you, but now it's, it's like once your team has the formula or the pieces, it's like you,

you get back there. Pittsburgh got back there. Edmonton's done it two years. Tampa three, Florida three in the last 10 years. Yeah. That's what, four teams that have had multiple, um, consecutive appearances in the, in the final. Yeah, that's kind of crazy crazy yeah but you're you're right but you can see how quickly it could change with an injury or something weird that happens like we just that's that's what you're talking about Brian like I don't know who would have won last night like I you know I still feel like total hypothetical with Halliburton I mean he goes down it did remind me of

of the rancher sitting there on the court yet grant was sitting there and you know but it was you to see albert and go down for you right away you like okay he's done like you knew it immediately because saturday they'll luckily not luckily they showed the replay once i think it was they did a good job not trying to focus on it. Cruisome seeing that man. When you see the pop, like you can see the Achilles like just done.

That's done. Good. No good. But you're right about the celebration. You referenced it earlier. Yeah. I don't know what the, I've been trying to think about why Oklahoma City looked as if it was just like business as usual.

My only thought can be that they act, they really truly believe they were going to win and like they put, I don't know, because on the court it was just kind of like, Hey, congratulations. Like, it looked like honest to God. It looked like the end of a game. You know, at the end of a game, everybody goes and says hello. There's a hog and that's what. I know. Barely. It wasn't Bedlam. It wasn't a gong show. These guys had never... You know, it's not like they've done it three years in a row. It's like old hat or whatever. Like it just looked like they were either exhausted, which is fair, seven game series, but... Or they just looked like, yeah, we knew we were gonna win, which is weird because there

there should be no cockiness to you. There's no... Game seven. Game seven. If it's game four and you're about to sweep and you know the series is over and you're up by 30, I can kind of understand you're like, all right, we're trying to manufacture it, but it's not shocking. We knew we were going to win. How do you feel about if you win a game seven, or I think if you win a championship, you

can say whatever you want? I think there's a period of time where you could say whatever you want. Sam Bennett. I think the Florida Panthers are living by that. Absolutely. Why wouldn't you do that? I think it's great man. Of course man if you're gonna win do anything you want. Duthie tweeted out something during the series when when he was on location about like the the chirps and the trash talk was at another level this year right like you guys must have heard that when you were boots on the ground so I don't know like you get to win or you win you get to say whatever you want well what do you guys make of them like Florida on on Mike and on camera like chirpin McDavid and chirping the oilers yeah you know what that seems a little bit different than that dropping f-bombs

that one's different for sure but we always complain the guys are so vanilla guys don't say anything there's no hatred in the game I kind of like that they're like we're the villains everyone hates us so we might as well embrace it LeBron don't they right like I don't know I guess they don't braised it I I think you're right they've embraced it I think what it is is, you know, they become like this group of like outlaws, okay, and they're going to do that and now everyone the whole league is going to try and take them down and it all be like I even saw some Florida Panthers Twitter like some of their fans going, that's classless like what they really showed their true colors. I'm like, you're cheering a

Stanley Cup winner. It doesn't matter. Like, I, of course, Edmonton Twitter's going nuts, which they're upset about, but in the end, you know, it's competitive nature. I think there is some genuine hatred between those two organizations now. You play, you know, you go to the finals twice against them.

I think there is some animosity, which is fine, It's a rivalry now. Good for them. It's just got to burn So Valley if you're an Euler because you can't say anything. You can't respond. You can't say like Matthew Kachuk, who it's like, well, he's got two cup rings against your team. Yeah, you can't. There's nothing you can do. You just got to beat him. You got to win and then you can ultimately breathe. Chris Johnston in about 15 minutes overdrive continues to yes, and 1050 and on you can ultimately breathe. Chris Johnston in about 15 minutes overdrive

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Because we were talking about the celebration on the court last night that was subdued, to put it lightly. But apparently, like behind the scenes, a lot of these guys, like no one drinks, no one knows how to open champagne. She did an incredible job of breaking it down because we've seen celebrations from every league NBA included that are insane. Like crazy with the goggles are coming out people are going like the Raptors celebration was wild.

Now that was a veteran team. veteran they had Gasol. Yes, that guy knew how to play European vets. That guy's been drinking since he was like 12, you know poppin bottles like he knows how to operate things Yet kawaii going crazy, but I just it sounds like Oklahoma City there. They're they're like young they're still figuring things out like which makes it kind of crazier that they Basically steamrolled through the league this year like they won all those games They never really got tested.

Game seven against Denver, game seven against Indiana. But yeah, the celebration, I would guess they grow from that. It's a learning lesson. If you're gonna win, you better take advantage, you better party and have a great time. You kinda, you earn those opportunities, right? Like that's one where everything kinda,

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