OverDrive - OverDrive - June 23, 2026 - Hour 2 - Mike Johnson

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joins to discuss Brady Tkachuk's departure from the Senators, loyalty in sports and William Eklund and Jordan Kyrou's trades. They also dive into Giannis Antetokounmpo's trade to the Heat, PGA Tour going into a two-tiered schedule, the RBC Canadian Open impact and Bryan hands out his FanDuel Best Bets.

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Alfonso Davies will not start tomorrow. But it's available to come off the bench. So tell me if you've heard that before. Yeah. We heard it against Bosnia. We heard it, obviously, the last match against Qatar. He ain't ever starting if he ain't starting tomorrow. Yeah.

He's still hurt. Well, like Moist Bombito didn't start the last match, and they brought him in the final 25, 30 minutes. I wonder if that's the plan here with Davies. Like, don't start him. Get him some minutes in the second half. Get his feet wet. So once you get in, you know, to the knockout stage,

all of a sudden he can be at least maybe into the tournament, so to speak. But I'll believe that when I see it. Like I'm not convinced at all that he's been given the green light to play. So we'll see what else comes out of it. And it's massive match tomorrow. We're on a little bit later. We're doing a post-game show tomorrow.

530 to 7 we're on tomorrow. You're kidding me. I'm not kidding you. It's got plans. Yeah. He had no idea. You definitely had a dinner at 6-15 or a 7. 630, but with Jerry, probably, with Jerry and Elizabeth.

Elizabeth and your dear friend, Fred. Fred, who we love. And Jerry. We love Fred. We love Elizabeth. Who are the best. Shout out to them. Yeah, shout out. So, yeah, tomorrow we're on after the match tomorrow night.

So we look forward to that. You want to hear some Mike Babcock? Yes. So Mike Babcock showed up. I found the gear very Babcockian. Like he had the golf shirt that he had to put the jacket over, which I appreciate. No suit and tie. It's summer.

He's been retired for a while, so he's just trying to ease back into it. But I was asked about that meeting he had with the leadership group, McDavid, Dry Settle, Hyman, how that conversation went down and basically give us some detail on what came out of it. Here's what Mike Babcock was willing to say about that meeting earlier today. Leon, Connor, that comment,

and the rest of this leadership group want to get better. And that's what they've asked to me. And they've told me, we have to be better and we expect you to make us better. And I said, well, that's great to talk about in June. When camp starts and you're making a guy do things, you might not be so happy. And they said, no, that's not how it's going to be.

We're all committed all in on winning. And obviously in that time period, we had gone through enough things and talked about enough things that they felt comfortable with the process, or I wouldn't be here. And I was very clear to them, unless you're 100% all in on Mike Babcock, I have no interest in being the coach.

Oh, my God. It's so painful. Some of this guy's answers. Like, you would think that there would... Don't say Mike Bauch. Yeah, third person. All of his answers, though. Like Ryan Meshawg asked him about what went on in Columbus,

and he just said, oh, my wife told me, let's get out of here. so we got out of there. Like, I just thought, and I was almost, like, privately, I don't know the guy. I've heard, like, as gory as the stories that everyone else has heard, it doesn't take very much to get on the horn and find out just even more garbage about the guy. And, like, for some reason I just thought, though, I cheered for him, like, privately. Like, this guy, he just can turn it around and just have some gratitude and just say,

who I was in the past was nonsense, and I got to change it, and maybe I can go out of the game in the right way. But you just watch that guy in this press conference, and that's the exact same guy, and he just didn't take anything from the past, and he's just like, it's the same Mike Babcock. And I actually feel bad for the guys, because in two months, in November,

they're going to say, what on earth did we actually ask for? Like, we did this to ourselves. Unless they're good, unless they're structurally good. Well, they have to win. You can be structured all you want, but you've got to win. That team has been a mess structurally for years. And they made the finals two years in a row, and they got picked apart by a structurally really strong team in Florida.

He got asked about sitting Mike Madano on his 15th 100 game, and he just had some BS excuse about how it was acceptable for him. Like he's, I give up. I was so disappointed listening to that guy. and there was some comparisons between like he get on the mic and like tiger woods got off an airplane out of rehab like two days ago and he just puts on a suit jacket and starts firing off golf stuff and it's just like i'm tiger woods again and like mike babcock the same thing he was just like booted out of columbus for outrageous goings on and he just shows up and he's mike babcock like i found some similarities where it was like right back in the spotlight and he's and forget about it and I'm just that guy. Crazy stuff, man. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we should be surprised

because, you know, the story of Babcock is he is very confident in Mike Babcock. Well, he's had the word Mike Babcock. Mike Babcock's got a compound fracture. You know, like Mike Babcock, that's a Seinfeld reference for those of you that aren't aware of it. Jimmy. But he is in a scenario here where I think he realizes, the only way this is, he only knows how to coach one way. And honestly, if you're the players,

as ridiculous as that whole soliloquy sounded, that's what you're asking for. Because if you get a softened Mike Babcock, that's not going to work. It's a watered down version. Yeah, like the Babcock that you're kind of pining for here is the 2009, Mike Babcock

who told you know on friends in this or Mike Medina all that but also got the wins and a cup ring and all that kind of stuff so if you want the full Babcock experience then I actually think this is probably what you needed to see

today because if you had Babcock softened you know or just neutered in a way I don't think that's a that's not what the Oilers are asking what they're wanting. But I, you know, you come back to, you know, what I was saying,

careful what you wish for. Because, well, they're in now. Yeah, they're committed to it. Backcox or coach. But that's, you know, there is going to be a time 100% where they're going, what is going on here. But again, the proof is in the pudding. Ask Johnny what he thinks of it. You know, it's, it's interesting because they're pot committed. And they're in one now. out or a dozen, that's... And he said, hey, I'm more... I'm harder on the star players

than I am the other players. You know, I don't know if the other players would agree with that necessarily, but here's Mike Johnson, our TSN hockey analyst joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. The full Mike Babcock experience, right? They're 100% in on Mike Babcock,

and I guess that's what they're getting. If you're Connor McDavid and company is that actually a good sign, the fact that it doesn't sound as if he has changed. in any way. Well, I tell you that Mike Johnson was not that impressed with that presser. Because

Mike Johnson wanted more. He was expecting more and he wanted more and he didn't get it. And if Mike Johnson got to commit to a press conference, he wants to hear what he needs to hear. You're right. So, the thing is, guys, I

get what you're saying, but you would have thought, just for appearances sake, if you want to go back to be in the same sort a hard, hard guy, arrogant, whatever in the dress room. You want to grind on guys. You want to carve guys about this or that. If that's what you're going to

go to because that's what you think you can do and should do, I still fought day one presser. Like a I'm not asking for a full Miacopa. Just a smidge of contrition. Oh, give me something. When it asked about Columbus,

you know what? I should have handled that differently. I don't. Instead, Johnny, he said, my wife said, let's get out of here. It's just like, are you, yeah, we're not aligned. We're not lying. He's got out of here. No, it's what he said. He goes, I hadn't scratched a guy.

I hadn't sat a guy out. I hadn't done this. I hadn't done that. I could tell the coaching staff wasn't a line. So my wife said, let's get out of here. Like, are you kidding me, dude? You're like that, that was a joke. That was a joke that answer.

Like, why not just say, you know what? You could have said. Go ahead. Do you want to hear it? Okay, do we got it? Let's play it. Let's play it. This is Mike Babcock on the exit out of Columbus.

Well, I chose to walk away, really straightforward. And I appreciate the question here. It was very evident before the year started. I hadn't benched anybody. I hadn't talked to anybody. I hadn't sat anybody out. And it was evident that we weren't together as a staff right from the get-go. My wife gave me a call, and she said, it's time to get out of there.

I had been retired. I was pretty good at it. I got back to being retired. That is the most ridiculous answer. Just a little nugget. Say, you know what? I did some stuff that I regret, and I got to get better from it,

and it won't happen again. And I got to move on. I got a great opportunity. I chose to walk away. I chose to walk away with a pending NHLTA, NHL sanctioned investigation. Like, come on. Come on.

Don't insult our intelligence. You can say, hey, I didn't think I did anything wrong. but like don't act like it was a totally normal departure 100% like you're insulting the intelligence of people watching yeah and he wasn't retired he was fired and still collecting money from the leaves like that's what he was doing he wasn't he didn't determine in 2019 i'm out of here so they fired johnny i i i agree with you too because you had an opportunity today nobody was even if it was phony nobody but it would believe that but you just go hey i'm worried about the Devinton Oilers, there's been mistakes in the past or whatever you want to call it.

But I'm here to win. Like, you kind of could have prepared something and just said, you know, I'm not looking back. I'm looking forward. Not how he operates. But that's just, but you come back. I called me. Gotta get out of her. That's a weird one.

But also, like, I just don't understand that. Well, okay. Didn't bench anyone? Because you didn't get to the season. You didn't even make it the training camp. What are we talking about here? On some level. Now, like,

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. And he can do the same thing in the, like, he clearly is unrepentant. He's not a change guy. He's a guy who thinks that the way he coaches is the way to coach, and there's nothing wrong with it. And if people don't like it,

it's because his tone is off because he speaks to, like with a bad tone, like his kids hear a bad tone. It's not it. But what I'm just, and I want for them to throw his players, like I hope it works out and nobody has anything over the top unpleasant about their experience

of Mike Babcock. But guys, it won't take long. For one, hey, Jeff O'Neill, you are this. Mike Johnson, your family is that. Sort of off-sides comment,

off-site, one call to the PA, one investigation opened, and that's it. I don't know if he gets fired, but it'll undermine all of his authority. So, yes, he can go back and be the exact same guy,

but if he crosses a line like he has crossed before. And again, this is not like criminal stuff he's doing. He's just doing, you know, for relationship, communication, whatever. It's just being Mike Babcock. He's being a jerk. They're going to say a different word. Being a jerk.

And if someone calls the PA about that, they'll open an investigation so quick and he might have another forced retirement. I just, it was so easy to do something different and then do whatever the heck you want in the dress room. Do you know the hell you want to Connerick David open day camp.

But for this one day, he could have acted like a little, just fake it. Fake like you cared, what happened, and that maybe you shouldn't have done it exactly that way. He couldn't even bother with that. It tells you everything you need to know

about how he's going to approach this job. Exactly the same way he approached every other job he's had. The trades are pouring in in the NHL right now. So the Ottawa senators, have acquired William Eklund from San Jose. We don't know all the details of the trade, but that number nine pick they got from Florida is going the other way, according to Chris Johnson and others.

So I don't know what else. San Jose may be sent into Ottawa. What else is? They put it out there. It's a three-player trade. Okay. Do you have the details? I haven't seen that yet.

Well, the Sends tweeted it out. Okay. So William Eklin, Casper Haltununan, and the rights to Brandon Sivoboda in exchange for the ninth of a month. overall pick. Okay. So it's three players for the ninth overall pick.

Johnny, where do you stand on that trade for Ottawa and for San Jose? I mean, I think Will and Ecclind had sort of fallen out of favor in that young collection of good talent. He is signed long term. He's a dynamic skater. He's like a slightly better version of Fabian Zetterland, who they tried to acquire a couple of years ago and has a really pop there. But he will get them offense.

He's a talented player. He plays with good players. and he will in Ottawa. He is controlled. He's got five more years on his contract. So that does matter for these teams right now. You know, they got the night. That's one piece of the Kachuk puzzle.

So they replace some of the offense there. None of the physicality or grit or leadership. But, you know, he's a good player. He was one of the players when I was bandying about outrageous trades for the second overall pick. If you're going to trade on Austin Matthews out there, you go get the second, you get William Ecklin. He would be the one guy who's a good forward, but you could get out of San Jose because of where he fell in the depth chart and how much money he's going to be making. I don't hate it.

It's got to be one piece of like a three-piece replacement for Brady Chuck, Brady Kachuk. But he's got term and he's got talent and he's not going anywhere, all things that matter for Ottawa. Johnny, on our award-winning segment, confirm or deny. Brian Hayes asked the question, if Brady Kachuk would be booed more than Mitch Marner would when he'd. got came back to Toronto. What's your confirm or deny on that one? Oh, I'm a confident confirmation that Brady's going to get booed much harder than Mitch Marger, much harder.

Yeah. Just because of the way. I think, yeah, I mean, I think the Ottawa fans are more passionately fickle or sensitive about someone not choosing their market. I think, you know, nobody wanted Brady to leave. You know, that was, and no general fan felt like, well, we can't wait for Brady to get out of here. I think there was some percentage of leaf fans are like, okay, maybe Mitch Marner's thing has run its course.

And the general politeness of the corporate crowd of Toronto was going to be polite to Mitch Marner. No, I think Brady gets it pretty hard when he comes back. You know, I heard you guys talking yesterday. He saw your take about it. Does semantics matter to you at all? Even if the sentiment in his heart of hearts was like, I'm going to go to Florida. If in that, whatever, the year-end presser, he's like, I've, I've always been talking past tense.

I've always been committed. I've always shown my commitment to Ottawa. I've never said I want to leave. All stuff that you kind of say is true. Like, he never did talk about wanting to leave. He always did show a commitment to Ottawa. You know, like, if he's talking past tense, yeah, I just, I don't, and if, and if he didn't say, I want to be traded, Hasey, he just said, they said, hey, Brady, what do you think's

going to happen in two years? He's like, you know what? I think I'm going to go play with my brother or somewhere else. that's where I'm leaning right now. Does that change at all? If he didn't say, I want to be traded now. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think, again, his approach with, like, he was frustrated that people keep asking him, would indicate, I think the read from a lot of Ottawa fans was,

okay, leave him alone. He loves it here. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's what makes this more scathing in a way, is that it also wasn't, like, reported openly leading up

to it. Hey, like there were no breadcrumbs. Be prepared for this. I think he might be leaving. Like, Hella Buck, no one in Winnipeg will be shocked if he gets traded tonight. Well, now, because of his comments. It's out there. But also, it's being reported. Hellabuck, people are calling on Hellebuck. Maybe he'd like a change.

That didn't, it didn't get to that point with Kachuk. No. Right? Again, I think within the league, there were people that thought, okay, this might be something you want to be prepared for. That's because I come back to like, he treated everybody really respectful. and he was respectful of that situation, even though he came back from winning a gold medal,

there were booze in that crowd. There were things that he had to kind of chew on. 100%. I will say this, though, and it was the same thing with Matthews here. Which was garbage. True. But Canadians were not going to cheer because the Americans won. That is absurd for any American player to think, why aren't you giving me a standing ovation?

Right. They beat Canadian, Canada. that. But, you know, like, I get it. It was beyond that. It was more about going to the White House. Let's call what it was. A lot of Canadians took issue with the White House, with all of that, the state of the Union. And I agree. Listen, they're Americans. They don't, that's the reality. They, like, it's tough for us to understand that. They're Americans. They're not, they're not Canadians. They're not going to see the world through the lens of a Canadian living in Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver. They're Americans. And that's just a reality. And that didn't change,

whether they won or lost You said it yesterday and Johnny you can chime too But like fans have the right to be pissed And rightfully so Because these players have moved on But you know The player also has the right to do what he wants to do Careers are short

And it's not like Brady put in two years there What do you put nine, ten years in? Yeah, eight years I think it was So I mean At the end of the day I feel bad for Ottawa fans Because I'm you know a guy who covers the game Yeah, and that's the thing. Like, he's the marquee guy, you know.

And I do wonder, and Johnny, you can answer this. If actually the experience Calgary went through with Matthew and how eventually that turned into an absolute disaster of a trade because of one player, and we all know who it is, Huberto. If Ottawa said, we just want picks so we can deter it like... Yeah, you can't label that player, X for Y. Exactly. Do you think there's a chance? They looked at that and said, maybe Florida put a couple players up, I don't know.

Maybe they said, you can have for Hagee and someone else if you want them. And they said, I don't know if we want to go down the Hubertow road. You think that's possible? They learned from that experience? Well, no, because I don't think they're going to get a player perceived to be as good as Huberto was then. They wanted Lundell, and Lundell is a known commodity. They would have been better off getting Anton Lundell than the 26th overall pick or the ninth overall pick.

or the ninth of birthday. They would have been better served. So I don't know if that was the case. But I do think, guys, one aspect of this, because I don't, oh, you touched on it, Frank, I know people don't want to hear, there's not a lot of loyalty in the game. I know people find that offensive.

Yeah. But if Brady Kachuk just said, I plan on playing out my contract to its conclusion, as best I can, and then I will go wherever I want to go after that. Like, I don't, that's not a disloyal move. he's just playing out his contract. And I'm just wondering, again, people don't care about this,

but where's the energy to John Chica or Stan Bowman for asking guys who have negotiated and presumably paid for in cash, no move clauses, and they're like, now we're going to not have you honor that. I don't see a lot of heat coming down on the GMs, that they are character flawed quitters running from it. Where's the loyalty? I earned it.

I was traded three times. I didn't want to get traded on Toronto. Where was the loyalty I was supposed to be afforded? It's not there. Nobody expects it to be if you didn't ask to be traded with time left on your contract. You just said, hey, when it expires, I'm leaving. That seems totally reasonable to me.

Keep it the same way. It can't have it just the players are bad guys for wanting to move. Then players with no moves who don't want to go anywhere, Morgan, Riley, and Toronto. Then the teams are bad guys for trying to force in the move. It's the same thing. You can't have it both ways. Either you're offended

by it or you're not. And I'm not offended by it either case. But if you are, Hayes, I think there's a comparison there and the energy doesn't seem the same. There's a couple things. One, first and foremost, fans are fans of the team first, not the players.

Every fan wants their team to do well, right? Reminder about loyalty then. They don't care about you. They care about the team. Go ahead. Yes. But that But that's my point. Of course, my point is it's going to be imbalanced. Of course, they're going to look at the team and say,

hey, that was smart because that helps me get more wins in the future, as opposed to looking at the player and say, I understand what you're saying because you want to go somewhere else. Like, I think if you're looking at fans and asking them to be reasonable, that's your first mistake. I'm asking you to be reasonable. I'm asking you to be reasonable. But here's what I would say on that.

If I look at a GM and say, okay, you're disloyal, but you're all so stupid, I'll come on the air and say you should be fired. You can't fire a player. The contract's guaranteed. Guy signs an eight-year deal and doesn't pull his weight. So, Elias Patterson's incredibly loyal to Vancouver. You can sit them out? You can't you?

You got no movement clauses, no trade clause? Are they getting paid? Do you get the money? Do you get the money to use it on another player? Don't get the money? DMs get the money when they get fired. Yeah, that's not the point. It doesn't go against the cap, though, Johnny.

I'm aware of that, but you're saying there's no options. You can, you can elect it. you don't like a guy, there are options. You don't have to play him. That's within the rules. You're operating within the rules. Again, that doesn't help the scenario of whether or not the team's going to improve or not. But lastly on this, what I would say, again, this is not, again, it's more about the emotions of fandom. Every team makes trades. Every team is ruthless. Not every player is just thinking about himself and what he's going to do with his career.

There are a lot of, you can say that, but Sidney Crosby's like, I'm not leaving. I want to play in Pittsburgh. I'm going to play here my whole career. Jordan Stoller just He had opportunities. Not the point. The point is, he's like, I'm not leaving it. But he's like, there's an example of a player who's like, I'm loyal to Pitt. I'm staying here. So obviously other fans are going to say, man,

that guy's amazing. Why can't we have that? Like, of course they're going to look at their guys. I guess he's disloyal. Yeah, after 23 years, Johnny, you think it's this, it's apples to orange. Like, that's not apples to apples to apples. So how many years do I have to play? How many years? I don't have any. Seven, eight?

How many years have to give you? I don't have an answer for you on that. I don't have an answer. Well, you got to get me one. But I don't see it the same way you do. You're not convincing me. I'm not changing my mind on the fact that I think that there's a difference between a team operating and a GM operating and players in the way the fans are going to approach their decision to jump or not

and demand a trade. It furthermore weaponized the no movement clause where they're only willing to go to one place. Let me jump in just quickly on this because, the argument's good, but the one thing that's being or has to be pointed out, this is a business. And that's the one thing. Like, this is, there isn't, you know, there should be loyalty, but there's not.

Well, like, that's the one thing. I'm not naive to that. And let me clarify here quickly, Johnny. I'm not saying I don't understand it from Brady's. It doesn't mean I have to like it, though. Like, that's two separate things. I'm not saying, like, it's his life, it's his career. he's made a decision. I for one think

there's a chance he regrets this in the end. Like I think he's jumped as deep into his brother's shadow as you can get. Like he is now... If he wins a championship in the next two years, I'm pretty sure that'll all be erased. Right now I think he's probably very happy. South Beach, Florida,

good team. You know, they win a Stanley Cup. That's Barcove's Cup. I said a last line on Jay. I can name 10 players that would be ahead of Brady on that marquee. Ten before you get to him and say he contributed to that because he's jumping on a train that's already going 100 miles an hour.

And I'm not saying today or tomorrow or at the cup party he'll look that way. I just wondering 20 years if he'll look back and say I wish I didn't go there. I wish I didn't jump on that one. Totally reasonable. Totally reasonable. Absolutely reasonable take. I'm just saying

there's a lot of people slamming Larkin, Brady, Zach Wrenski, whoever might be next up on the list. It wasn't Connor Ellibuck, whoever. Yeah. Brady specifically, I don't think he asked to be traded. He just said, I'm not going to resign. There is a difference there.

No, he asked to be. I think he has to be traded. I think Steyos made it pretty clear. You want it out. He may have wanted to know, but he was going to, okay, anyways. Anyway, but that's important. He could have kept him for two more years. Yeah.

He could have kept him for two more years and said, you know what? Like anyone who's contract runs its course, you're allowed to go elsewhere. I guess I am sensitive to players as long as they operate within the rules of the CBA. And I don't expect fans to have you happy. They should be mad. They should boo. But the media attacking the people for making this call,

he's operating within the rules. Yeah. You know, Quaid is he a bad person? See a bad guy? He's a loser? But it's not a person though, Johnny. Like, that's not fair. Like, it's not.

Well, I'm not talking about you specifically, but a lot of stuff I've read from professional media people are like, this guy's got no guts, and Stan the Heat, he wants an easy life. I'm like, hang on. Maybe he just wants to live with his brother.

Like if I had a brother in the NHL, I wouldn't mind playing with them. That'd be pretty cool. But can he not call up Matthew and say, come get traded up here? Is that just not possible? Or does he have to go to play with Matthew? Yeah.

Like, does Matthew not have to? Yeah. But then you answered your own question. Obviously, a part of it is, like, let's not pretend. Like, a part of it is in Florida, really good team, taxes. Ottawa, Florida, living. Yeah, I mean, let's not pretend. Guys, I just want to let you know on the fly that after all of the speculation and all the talk on Jordan Kairu,

I believe he's been traded to Washington. You're kidding me. I know, I'm dead serious. Okay. I think he's been traded to the Washington Capitals. Wow. For who? Young.

I have to get the details, waiting for the details. The O-desk strikes. Jordan Kairn. Wow. Save this for next week. No kidding. Exactly. What the hell are we going to talk about? Well, he's a trade, though.

He's on a free agent. These are all trades that are happening. I get it, but it just seems like there's a lot of business going on right now. Do you think OV is, like, definitely playing next year? What's your percentage? Jerry's percentage, Johnny, that OV is going to skate. through the doors in Washington. This might make me think that he says, see you later.

Yeah, 30%. Okay. Because if he wanted a contract, you could just get it done, like give me $8 million and whatever it is. Tyroo shoots right, can play on the wing, can play in the middle. Washington's going to be a team. They've got lots of young prospects. I don't like, what's St. Louis doing that?

Let me give you the details. It sounds like it's for Connor McMichael, Milton Gastron, and the 16th pick in the draft. Okay. Michael had 27 or something this year. Michael's kind of mid, is he 27 years old though? Like, they're not going younger than that. Is he?

I think he's 23. Okay. Yeah. So then you're going younger. But I think you're going to see it. Where's Robert Thomas then? Yeah. Like I think you move away from Thomas then too.

So 25. He's 25 years old. 25. Yeah. I think you might see a pick of. Ovy on the beach this summer that might be unflattering. Does St. Louis not like, do they put the white flag up? Is Pareco next?

Bennington in play? And you're just tanked. But Pereco has a no trade haze. That's right. How do you handle that? Not allowed to. Can't ask them. Wouldn't do it.

That would be disloyal. Be against the rules. I'd never expect anyone to do that. Heaven forbid. It's a two-way street. Everything's got to be equal. Well, they've always said that. No, but Johnny makes a good point because we're pissed.

that players that ask for a trade, but we're not pissed at management that go, get the hell out of here. I'm pissed at everybody all the time. Like, if you think I'm not giving it to management type. And that's not an exaggeration. Yeah, I'm always giving it to the man. I misspoke.

It's not Jerry's percentages. It's Fred's percentage. Johnny, did you hear the story of what happened today? Starting tomorrow, Fred's percentages. Go ahead. Talk to the one. So we went for lunch with two wonderful people. Incredible people. Fred and Elizabeth, okay? And,

Oh, we got there. Hayes and I walked in, and O was already holding court with them. And he'd been there for 30 minutes, just yucking it up without... We both got there 30 minutes early. And this guy's name was Fred. Fred and Elizabeth, they're wonderful people. Halfway through the lunch, O starts calling him Gary and then into Jerry by the end. So it's calling him Jerry. Like, just... And, oh, God. Jerry, we'll get to the alumni box this year. But, Johnny, I'm sitting right behind, I'm sitting right beside Hayes at this lunch, okay?

And Jerry at the time said something, and I was like, you're damn right, Jerry. Hayes could have easily said the guy's name's Fred, O'Dog, but he never did it. Just let it go. Do you a text? Are you a text? You got a text. Anything. But Johnny, when I got there, he called them Fred.

Yes. So I'm like, he knows his name's Fred. Dude. We must have missed. He needs his nicknames. That's what I'm saying. We miss them establishing nicknames. I don't know.

Honestly, I'm concerned about my brain functioning. Because as the lunch went on, by the way, I'm very fond of this guy. He's old school. And I'm looking at him, and I'm just like, I kind of got lost for a second. And I just looked at him. I'm like, there's no way in hell that this guy's name is not Jerry. So I was like, you're damn right, Jerry. and Hayes kind of gave me a bit of a side eye.

But you could have just said, his name's Fred. That would have ended it, and I would have been like, I don't know what. It just morphed into it. You're right. You're right. The point where I started second guessing myself is when you come in with a wrong name with full conviction. You're damn right, Jerry. It wasn't like you didn't mumble it.

You were fully committed because you knew his name was Jerry. I was. I was Mike Bathnock. I'm like, this guy's name's Jerry. So it's Jerry and we're rolling with it. Jeff O'Neill thinks you're Jerry. Jeff O'Neill's going to call you Jerry. That's what Jeff O'Neill does.

As confident as I've ever heard someone name something. And the handshake went out to stuck his hand out. Jerry, great to see you. Jerry walked out. I was like, be in touch. Keep in touch, keep in touch. Be in touch, taking you to a game, alumni box, everything. It was wild.

It was a wild scene. But shout out to Fred. We love Fred and we love Elizabeth. And Fred, I just want to be a wild. want to tell you, I'm honestly really sorry because A, unacceptable, your name's Fred, and B, I apologize for my two friends because they made no attempt to correct me. It's completely on us. And the thing is, Fred is one of our favorite names.

We love the name Fred. It's my cat's name. It's a great handle. I love it. Eddie, Chris Edwards sent me that note saying you've got to change it to Fred's percentage. That's a great idea. Because on the fly, I took a peek. I'm like, I'm going to give it.

Tomorrow at 530. Fred's percentage. Fred's percentages. I love it. All right, Johnny. Great stuff, buddy. We'll do it again later in the week. On the way out, guys, Fred's percentages, are we going to Houston? Are we going to Austin? I think 95% Houston. You guys too on that.

95% of Houston. Let's just say this, we'd like to go to Houston, but we'd like to tee it up in Austin, too. Yes, great idea. Great call. There we go. All right, Johnny. Good stuff, buddy. We'll do it later in the week. All right, fellas. Cheers. Mike Johnson joining us here on the Maple Toyota hotline.

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Hit another winner last night, Erling Holland. And both teams scored. Dude, I'm on fire. I saw that, and I'm like, you nailed it. You nailed it. I am seeing the board as clearly as you can when it comes to the World Cup. And Canada, Switzerland, tomorrow. And again, Alfonso Davis will not start.

But he's available to come off the bench. We'll see what that means in the end. There are so many trades going on in the NHL right now. It's really wild stuff. This is really great stuff. I told you. But again, if I keep saying it 10 years in a row, eventually something will pop. You nailed it.

Jordan Cairo has been traded from St. Louis to Washington. William Eklund and other prospects from San Jose to Ottawa for the ninth overall pick. St. Louis now has, after the Cairo deal, I believe the 11th, the 15th, and the 16th pick in the draft. And it opens up the door. Is this the white flag now? Is Robert Thomas gone? Bittington?

Are you going to go to Baraco again and possibly look to maybe trade him? Are they blowing it up? Is that their plan? San Jose on the flip side, trade Eklin, who's a good young player for the ninth pick. Now they have the second and the ninth pick. So are you going to keep both? Are you going to trade one of them? Maybe you trade down.

There might be a team that really covets the number two spot that wants to trade up. And if you feel like you can get a player at four or five, maybe you go, we'll trade down, give us player X. Like I think you've got to be, I think San Jose is a fascinating team to watch right now. Yeah, but doesn't Eklund going out the door, doesn't it basically say that to take that Stenberg kid? Yes. I would think so too, but I wonder about it. about that ninth pick now? Like, does that pick just start floating around? Like, it was Florida's, and then

Ottawa's, now at San Jose's. Like, would I be shocked if that went somewhere else? No. Not really. Because I think managers are trying to be proactive here and grab players and then, or grab picks, and then spin them into live players. And it seems like, you know, the currency that, I mean, there's a lot of first rounders flying around here. Yeah, exactly. It's not like a, you know, fifth rounder, yes, that was just a trade for Rattish the other day, but... A lot of picks. And Gavin McKenna, you know, was speaking with Gino Redda earlier,

and he sounds like a pretty confident kid, you know? And he should be. He should be. And it seems as if the Leafs just know they're going to take McKenna, and then beyond that, all bets are off. Crap shoot. Yeah, what's going to happen, you know,

beyond that is completely up for grabs. But this is just a wild offseason already. And it's June 23rd. Like the draft is still for a couple more nights and free agencies still more than a week away.

Man, oh man. There is a lot out there in terms of the rumor mill. Like Mike Babcock got hired as the head coach and it's like blending into the league. That's like fourth on the depth chart right now of stories that have broken today.

Well, how would you rank the craziest stories so far in the office? season in the NHL. The off season's a week old. You just tried to downplay it, but to me, Mike Babcock, becoming the head coach of the Ebenton Oilers, takes the cake by a long shot over Brady Kachuk. Okay. Yeah. I think I, I think you're right.

I think I'd go Babcock one. I'll say this. I know the dust is settled. John Chiker, the GM of the Leafs is not far off of it. Yes. Yes, you're right. If I had it told you six months ago. You know, I'm sorry.

I totally forgot that that was even in the equation. You could put Chica to one, Babcock to two, Brady could chuck to three. Yeah. And we're at June 23rd. And, yeah, like if Hallibuck gets flipped. Well, Dylan Larkin asking for a trade. Who saw that? I mean, Morgan Riley, apparently.

Yeah, Darnal Nurse. Maybe we'll see if Nyes and his name are out there. What happens with Ovechkin again in the future? You know what? Again, it's on the back burner right now. do that for tomorrow. Ten, ten craziest or, you know, give us five or ten.

Well, the NHL possibly going to Austin, Texas. Yeah, to Houston or Austin. Like there's... Austin's a, it's a cool town, but... It is. But, I don't know. There's got to be ten storylines already in the league. Yeah. Never know what Fred's percentages will bring tomorrow.

Yes. The Radish deal, the trade and sign. Yeah, sign and trade for radish. Man, Fred's percentages is going to be unreal tomorrow. How outrageous. I think Fred's percentages is going to knock it out of the park. I can't wait. I'm really excited.

Well, yeah, we're going to see. Here's one for you. Here's a Fred's percentage. Give me a Fred's percentage right now. All right. So the PGA tour has announced. Like, they're going to track one. They're not calling it track one track two either.

Which I think is smart, right? It's like the Champions Tour and the Challenger's Tour. Right. Track 2 is basically like get on. Yeah, move along. Move along. And apparently there's going to be like an international element to the tour at the end of like through September. You're telling me the PGA Tour is going like to play in Europe like that.

Yeah. Well, they're looking at like national opens possibly kind of continuing the schedule into September. Like now could that be the. the Canadian Open pushes back to September where it used to be. I know they, like, are you talking, the Aussie Open? That's what I'm wondering. Does the, like, I don't know if this makes sense. Does the Scottish Open move to September?

Does the Aussie Open become something that they commit to and they say, we got to get there? You know, we're going to spend, you know, the second week of September, you're going to South Africa, and then the last week you're going to Australia, something like that. I don't know. It's possible. But what's your Fred's percentage that the RBC Canadian Open?

stays on the champions tour. A hundred percent for Fred's. The first Fred's percentage, because our insider, our golf analyst, Bobby Weeks, said, I'm told that the CBC or the RBC Canadian Open will be first track. I love that. I love that. Yeah, I want that.

And I understand that complicates things because then it's not an open championship. Right. All of a sudden, it's like the top 120, players are coming here and there's no more 24 Canadians. There's no Monday qualifiers, none of that. But what's going to be fascinating is when they first went to these elevated events, there was guys like Webb Simpson and Jordan Speath and maybe Adam Scott for a bit.

We're just showing up at these events and getting these kind of exemptions and other guys were like, well, what the hell's going on here? Is this a popularity contest? It'll be eye-opening to a guy that if he falls off, a player like Spieth, who has that major championship pedigree, the popularity, everybody loves them. But is games not up to snuff? Where are you going to play, dude? It's basically relegation. If you can't pull your weight, there's no more, hey, you're the great Jordan Spieth.

Yeah, you're playing in this event anyway. Yeah, no, it's you're going down to the Challenger's tour, you know, the track too. That's where you're going. You're going to play in the Rocket Mortgage, you know, or something like that. It's a totally different tour, a totally different lifestyle. And you've got to battle your way back up. But I'm 100% on this, too. Fred's percentages, I think RBC Canadian Open remains at the top tier,

which would mean Shephyr's coming up. Yep, all the big boys. Camions coming up. I'm going to send Elizabeth a note and say, we need Jerry slash Fred to do a recording, a videotape recording to get Fred's percentages on the air. I love that idea. I think we do it.

I love that idea. An intro, we get rid of the Jerry intro for a week. Just one week. And Fred steps in and goes. It's Fred's percentages. All we need from Fred. You're going to just look into the camera and say, O Dog, you're an idiot for calling me Jerry.

This is Fred's percentages. Perfect. Perfect. Or you're going to want to hear this. Yeah. We'll figure it out. We'll get Fred involved in Fred's percentages. I love it.

I can't wait for this. It's going to be great. All right, best bets coming up on the World Cup. You know, I'm looking at the World Cup for best bets. You know, you know I'm going to dial this thing in. And recap, what's already been a crazy day in the NHL. We haven't even mentioned Janice got traded last night at like 1230 in the morning. Crazy.

For the whole team. Everything's been going on for basically, yeah, more or less, you know, a lot of the team and a lot of future picks. I don't know if it moves the needle. Obviously, it really helps Miami, clearly, because he's still a great player. I know, but you look at the support. He's not winning. No, it's like it's spam and you're, you know, I'm not sure Miami skyrockets to the top of like best. They're not better than the Knicks.

No. Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, exactly. Who's the kid in Toronto? Wiggins is on a wing. They've got Norman Powell likely. Norm Powell. Yeah, they're probably going to keep Norm.

And Norm's been really good, you know, throughout his career. But it's not, it's not a roster. It's not LeBron going. They got to add more to it for sure. And I'm sure, you know, Pat Riley and the Heat will do that. but and Milwaukee is going to spin the other way. Like they're going the other way and I think possibly for an extended period of time. All right, Best Buds coming up.

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your picks and assemble the same game parlay and seconds on the Fandoz Sportsbook app. We're on after the Canada game tomorrow, so I'm going to bet a draw in that match. I think both sides are going to be playing conservatively. And Canada only needs a draw to get through and win the group. But I think Switzerland probably looks at it like happy to get through as well. They don't need to mess around. They don't need to be overly aggressive. Don't want to see injuries.

Players playing on yellow cards. you don't want to get stupid and lose somebody into the group of 32. I think both sides, let's say there's going to be a truce here. I think it'll be a good match. But I think Canada, Switzerland, you know. Why doesn't Canada just keep the foot on the gas, though, and just try to smoke their ass as well? Why not? Keep it rolling.

But Switzerland's a really good team. Like, that's the difference. I don't see that being a blow-up. It's not going. I don't see it happen. I think a draw is very likely. I could see a 1-1-1 draw tomorrow. I could see nil-nil-nil tomorrow.

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